Forget Chris Bosh, meet [insert cheap and young player], part II
I have looked at the league rosters, and came up with some players which could become contributors. I have limited the scope to players no older than 25, and with current contracts of $3 million and under, with a few exceptions. I did not put too much emphasis on our immediate needs, and only a bit about how we could attain them.
This is my second post. The first post contains my reasons for examining young players, as well as players from Charlotte to Detroit.
Golden State - Anthony Morrow (age 24, $ 0.7 million salary) and C.J. Watson (26, 1.0). It is difficult to assess the value of a player coached by Nellie, since it's hard to project how this player will thrive in a more conventional setting. Although Morrow commands a lot of attention as a scorer, I think Watson is the better player, who will be a more valuable asset. Morrow is a pure shooting guard. He does bring the deep shot we so covet, but little else. Although Watson is a little older than the age limit I gave, I think he merits a look. He does a little of everything, scoring, passing, rebounding and playing defense. He averaged 1.6 steals, and I think that he is a better defender than is visible at Golden State. Also, he can have a big night, as he did against *facepalm* the Kings (40 points).
LA Clippers - DeAndre Jordan (21, 0.7). Stuck behind Chris Kaman (and until recently Marcus Camby), Jordan only averaged about 16 minutes per game. In these minutes, he managed to average five boards and almost a block. His shooting percentage is above .600 in both seasons in the NBA. His minutes have been climbing throughout the season, and in April he averaged 27.6 minutes, which translated into 8.3 points on a .643 clip, and 10.7 rebounds. Not shabby. At draftexpress, they like his defensive potential, but he seems to need some work there. I think the Clippers will not let this guy go so easily, but hey, we're talking the Clippers.
Memphis - Marcus Williams (24, 0.8).When you're playing behind Conley and Tinsley, things aren't looking too bright. This kid has the talent, but seems incapable o translate it into solid play. But he is getting older, and perhaps with his next team he will understand that it is his last chance. Westphal seems to be a good coach for youngsters, but I would still be reluctant to take Williams. I like Sam Young (24, 0.8) the college teammate of Blair and fellow sleeper in the draft. However, I don't think he will grow much beyond his current capabilities.
Milwaukee - Luc Mbah a Moute (23, 0.7). This guy is lauded by Scott Skiles for his defense and hard work, and that is a pretty strong endorsement. A solid rebounder, and capable at the offensive end, but not spectacular. This is another glue guy which could benefit any team, especially if he improves on offense. I cannot imagine the Bucks trading Ersan Ilyasova (22, 2.1) but he is a great player, very solid and smart. A better rebounder than Casspi, and a bit larger. Finally, I would love to rave about the rebounding capabilities (and little else) of my fellow Dutchman Dan Gadzuric, but he doesn't fit my criteria. He is too old and overpaid.
Minnesota - Kevin Love (21, 3.4). I really, really like Darko Milicic, and he is a guy who could still become a star, but it seems the Wolves want to hold onto him and have made Love the main trade bait. Love is not a bad consolation price. He is over my self-imposed cap of $ 3 million, but for a double-double machine, he is worth it. Maybe less of a scorer compared to David Lee, but a better defender, despite the fact that he doesn't block may shots. Lee will be overpaid for sure, Love may still be had at a reasonable price.
New Jersey - Courtney Lee (24, 1.3) and Terrence Williams (22, 2.0). Talking about Lee, here is the one I like most. Chastised over his alley-oop miss in the finals, he played admirably for a rookie. He has good size, and although his 3P % was down this year, in Orlando he shot .404. A good, active defender who can be an elite defender according to draftexpress, he plays within the flow of the game and is selfless, I believe Lee can be a valuable contributor and he's one of my favorites. Williams is a stud, who can get a triple double on any given night. In March and April, he averaged about 30 minutes and approx. 14.2 points, along with almost 7 rebounds and more than 5 assists. He will be very difficult to pry loose, I suspect. But with new ownership in Jersey, you never know what will happen there.
New Orleans - Darren Collison (22, 1.3) and Marcus Thornton (22, 0.4). Two heralded rookies, and both could fill needs for the Kings. Both can shoot from 3, where Collison connected on .400 %, and Thornton on .374 %. Collison has the making of a capable point guard, but is only 6-0. Thornton is a bit small for the SF position, and not a great rebounder, but he is a scorer, pure and simple. It will be interesting to see what happens in New Orleans, since a lot of the decision-making revolves around the status of Chris Paul.
Also, the Hornets have a very interesting big man. No, I'm not talking Okafor. He is expensive, and has taken a step back this year, especially on offense. If you can't average more than 10.4 pints while playing with Paul (even though he was injured for stretches), you're not looking good. But what about Aaron Gray (25, 1.0)? He averaged 4.3 points in his rookie season for Chicago, and about 3.3 rebounds and 3.3 points this season while averaging less than 10 minutes per game. In games where he played 17 minutes or more, he put up some good numbers. In the right system he could be a valuable rotation player, as confirmed by draftexpress, where he was also criticized for a lack of defensive abilities (old articles, though). And in his 24 games for the Hornets, his TS % was .612 (this stat I added especially for pookey).
New York - Earl Barron (28, 0.1). On to the next 7-footer. A pleasant surprise as a late season pick-up by the Knicks, Barron actually averaged a double-double during a span of 7 games. A very small sample, but I think some teams will be interested to see more. I'm not sure about him, but there are few quality big guys, even few quality big back-ups. He might be one. He is a bit older at 28, but hasn't had much mileage.
Oklahoma - Eric Maynor (22, 1.3). Do I need to say more? If we pick up Maynor, the only relevant question will be whether we will win it all in 2 or 3 years. But seriously, he is a poised, intelligent playmaker. And on to one of my favorites, Serge Ibaka (20, 1.1). The guy had 7 blocks in a play-off game against the Fakers, for crying out loud. Do you need to know more? About 5.4 rebounds in 18 minutes per game, as well as 1.3 blocks. In April he played 22.6 minutes, getting 10 points, 7.4 rebounds and 1.9 blocks. The Thunder already have Nenad Krstic, so they don't really need Ibaka, right? One can hope... I also had Thabo Sefolosha (25, 2.8) on my list, who is great defensively. However, the play-offs showed that his offense is liability to the team, so I dropped him.
I hope to have the third installment ready by tomorrow.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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I am guessing you play alot of NBA 2k9 Franchise Mode
I still remember a few years ago (when Beno was a free agent) when i was playing a lot of Franchise Mode and I was on here trying to argue the Kings should trade Garcia for Lowry and getting shot down as a fool who wanted to trade a “proven 6th man” for a 3rd or 4th string point guard.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
I guess that's a game on the Xbox, or something?
No, sorry. The last NBA video game I played was Dr J against Bird one on one, and it looked like this:
Dunking Dutchman
that sucks. did you try using photobucket?
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Apr 27, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Image fail
for not being 3D perhaps?
Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing more efficiently.
I think everyone here would take DeAndre Jordan and Ibaka
but what team wouldn’t? At the very least they will be good role players/bench players. After reading the Pollard article I can’t wait to get a new Bench Mob going in sac.
Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
I agree that many teams would love to have Ibaka
and also Jordan, I guess. I’d prefer Ibaka.
But anything can happen.
For instance, one of the problems of the Thunder is lack of low post scoring when Durant isn’t clicking, and Westbrook isn’t blowing by a guy like Fisher. I can see them trying to shop Krstic or Etan Thomas without much luck, and then decide to give up Ibaka in a deal that lands them Landry. I wouldn’t dismiss such an opportunity outright, especially if we get another PF in the draft.
Dunking Dutchman
What about Etan Thomas
Now wait, before you call me crazy for wanting Etan Thomas, know that I’d love to get Ibaka / Deandre Jordan / Javale Mcgee or any other young / improving / defensive big man. I’d also love to get Favors / Cousins (Parakhouski, Varnado, etc. in the second round) and keep JT, Hawes, Landry.
But no matter what, I thought this year and next year, having a cheap, older, big, tough defender off the bench when there needed to be some enforcement and fouling in the lane would be nice. Two that always came to mind were Etan Thomas; 6’10, 260, career: 18min, 5reb, 1 blk or Jamal Magloire; 6’11, 255, career: 22min, 7reb, 1blk.
I’m sure these guys would draw mixed support, but for a minimum salary as long as they didn’t hinder the youngins and instead imparted some wisdom and toughness, they would(’ve) help(ed) in my opinion.
I have a feeling that Rudy Fernandez will be available.
Swap 2nd round pics for Rudy and $3 million?
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of course, you probably were going to include him in part 3
sorry
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by Kfan in Korea on Apr 27, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know if I want Rudy
He seriously regressed this year.
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Anyone know what's going on with Rudy?
I haven’t spent much time at BE this season, was he hurt?
I've got squirrels in my pants!
Combination of things
Injuries, ineffectiveness, wants to start and have the glory.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yeah what Pookey said
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Do you think he'd consider going back to Europe
He doesn’t look happy at all
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
He publically said he wants to go back to Spain.
He misses his friends, family, and likes playing there more.
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
He's publicly said that and other things.
I wouldn’t say he ends up in Spain just yet.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yeah, I'm not that high on Fernandez
not anymore, at least.
He can be a good passer in the right system, but right now he looks pretty one-dimensional. In the Kings stagnant offense (which I hope they’ll fix) he would not look good.
Dunking Dutchman
I would rather we make effective use of our 2nd round pick.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
There are going to be legit prospects there
Jordan Crawford, Artsiom Parakhouski, Quincy Pondexter (he’s slipping in the draft cause of his age, but he’s good, don’t know if he’ll drop to 2nd round though).
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Might rather have Crawford cuz he can shoot.
If nothing else, he can do that.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Often shooters make the best bench sparks.
Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
by sac_faithful on Apr 27, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
No doubt.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm with you on Crawford
If we draft him, I’m calling him Cojones. That K St. – Xavier game, the dunk on LeBron.
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The funny thing is
guys like Jerome Jordan and Dexter Pittman were at least faintly on the 1st round lottery radar at the beginning of the season. Now, both of them may still be on the board when we pick at 33…and they will likely still be on the board after we pick at 33.
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The House, please.
Would love to see us grab Parakhouski in the 2nd. His numbers against Kansas and Duke were both really solid, and I think there was a good game against Louisville in there.
by Tark Le Shark on Apr 27, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Waiting for part 3, 4, etc....when you get to the Spurs
Ian Mahinmi….
by getPGwithbounce on Apr 27, 2010 9:16 PM PDT reply actions
No thanks.
There is a reason the Spurs didn’t pick up his option for after the season.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
DeJuan Blair didn't help
If Pop lets him go, the first thing I would question is his work ethic and commitment to team and his role.But who know?
by betweentheeyes on Apr 27, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Pop didn't like Beno, either
And he turned out to be wrong…wait, he was right…no, he was wrong…
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by section214 on Apr 27, 2010 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
One of the Geoff Petrie hallmarks.....
…..has been to pick up players that other teams and coaches have given up on in spectacular fashion. If I need to trot out a list it’s going to be pretty long, but here goes up to a point:
Chris Webber, Vlade Divac, Vernon Maxwell, Mike Bibby, Jon Barry, Scot Pollard, Bobby Jackson, Tony Delk, Mo Evans, Matt Barnes, Darius Songalia, John Salmons and perhaps Brad Miller among others.
In every case there is a situation or a degree to which you could argue that teams give up on them, but at least half that list is guys that other teams weren’t nearly that hot to trot on.
I’ll accept that Barnes mostly made his career on his GS years.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
but he was given his shot in SacTown first
you can’t rise up if you are still under the ashes.
That is a nice list of the successes.For this season I would add Ime and for last two seasons I would add Ron Artest and John Salmons.These guys (NBA players – are an elite group and they all have to have a great deal of talent to be in the League. The right situation, the right chance, the right time – is critical to many careers
by betweentheeyes on Apr 27, 2010 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree.
And I don’t think finding the right spot for a player is the only hallmark of Geoff Petrie in relation to other GM’s. I just think that’s one hallmark of a successful franchise.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Didn't work out?
DeJuan Blair looked good over the summer and in Training Camp? Multiple reasons I would guess. One would be that Mahinmi just hasn’t worked out well.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Also
Tiago Splitter can come over to the Spurs at an above scale rate this summer. Something tells me that might have had a little something to do with the Mahinmi decision.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Interesting point about Splitter
That would again upgrade the Spurs. Buford and Pops really handle the franchise well.
Dunking Dutchman
What about Joel Anthony?
I am not sure if he comes off the books this year but he would be cheap. He is short for a center but with great length (7’4" wingspan) and an explosive athlete. He could come in and protect the paint and play in small amounts. He also averages about 3 blocks and 7 rebounds per 36. I think he would definitely be worth a shot. He’s a hustler too.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthojo01.html
Anthony has a Qualifying Offer that the Heat will not likely offer him.
He’ll be available. Whether the Kings want him is another matter though. He is athletic and active in some ways. There are worse players the Kings could acquire I think.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yeah good one.
I didn’t look at Anthony’s rebounding.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I didn't consider Anthony
because of his age.
I made some exceptions, but nothing about him warrants to be such an exception. Despite his wingspan, he’s undersized, not a very good rebounder, shotbocker or scorer. The players I picked are those who could improve by much in a different environment and with more playing time. I do not see such potential in Anthony.
Dunking Dutchman
Go with the Bruins...
Collison would be a fantastic backup PG, and also push Beno for the starting job. Moute would be the ace defender and glue guy that is currently missing on our roster. Love is far better than Spencer on the offensive side of the ball – he’s a better passer, offensive rebounder, low-post scorer, shooter, etc. – and I can’t see him being that much worse than Spencer on the defensive side. He won’t block as many shots, but I doubt he gets backed under the basket as many times as Spencer.
Ian Mahinmi
I really think we should sign this guy. He’s still just 23 year old, and every time he has gotten a significant minutes he has produced. If you look at his Per 36 stats they are actually pretty impressive. The best thing about Mahinmi is he does something that nobody can do on our roster…block shots. He’s also a pretty good rebounder and would give us another big that can run the floor.
And the reason why he didn’t get that many minutes this year is because Pop would rather play veterans like McDyess (who has raved about Mahinmi) and Matt Bonner (Pop thinks he spreads the floor for Duncan). A lot of Spurs fans wanted to see Mahinmi get minutes, it just didn’t happen. If we can get this guy for cheap, I don’t see the downside.

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