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Kings' Holes in Plain View

Five minutes, 39 seconds left in the game. Tied at 79.

In their next six possessions, the Spurs score five times, with a bad Tim Duncan pass the only blemish. San Antonio ends up with 12 points over the stretch, with Manu Ginobili hitting two threes, Richard Jefferson splitting a pair of free throws and earning and-1, DeJuan Blair scoring a bucket off a crisp pass by Garrett Temple.

Each scoring possession for the Spurs is matched by a futile effort from the Kings. Tyreke Evans gets stopped going to the rim, leaving an inbounds pass to Carl Landry with two on the shot clock -- the resultant rushed shot misses the rim for a 24-second violation. On the next possession, Landry misses a long jumper; Beno Udrih sneaks in to keep the ball in the Kings' hands, but after a stalled offensive set Evans misses a 12-foot jumper. On the next possession, Evans attempts to drive on Ginobili, but spins right into him for an offensive foul. Next time down, Landry draws a foul inside, but misses both free throws. Next time down, Jason Thompson bricks a long two-point jumper with 11 seconds on the shot clock. Next time down, Evans bricks a three with 10 seconds on the shot clock.

If you get decent shots and miss down the stretch, that's one thing. But the Kings had bad possession after bad possession. Only one of the six possessions went the right way -- the one in which Landry got the ball near the rim and drew the foul. He shoots free throws well, so the misses aren't worth worrying about. But the bad shots fairly early in the shot clock? The completely stalled offense? That's what bugs me. That's what worries me about the line-up as constructed, and whether so many as two of the parts fit.

Star-divide

Does Landry really work with Evans? I haven't seen conclusive proof he does. Their pick-and-roll is odd, and Landry has become less a pivot player and more of a spot-up shooter. We need Landry in the post, and playing with Evans has pushed him out. Why? Can it be reversed? Or will Landry eventually end up as a sixth man again?

Evans is not unlike Ginobili, all told, though Manu has always shot pretty well. And Ginobili plays with a player similar to Landry on offense -- Duncan. Big Fun is lethal in the post, but he also has that slick elbow jumper, one he uses more frequently every day. They work, Manu and Duncan. And really, Evans is a bit like Tony Parker, too. And of course Parker-Duncan is a brilliant pairing.

The issue, I think, is the odd pick-and-roll machinations Evans has right now, as well as a general aversion to rolling for the bigs. We saw Evans-Spencer Hawes come around quite a bit as March wore on -- and Hawes really began rolling to the basket. Landry rarely does that at this point. He did have one P&R bucket inside against the Spurs; otherwise, he pops and Evans drives or passes out. Landry is agile, and an effective finisher. Evans is a good passer. This can work, and I hope it's just time and repetition that's needed to get it there. Otherwise, Evans either needs to be put into a non-P&R heavy offense, or he needs a new P&R partner.

***

I understood why Paul Westphal saved Donte Greene for the fourth quarter, but I didn't -- and don't -- agree with the decision. Andres Nocioni didn't have his offense right. Omri Casspi was active but not sharp. Greene owned the first half, and could have been a decent spark while the Spurs had some bench players on late in the third. This didn't decide the game, and Greene was rewarded with 12 minutes in the fourth, but still felt a bit off.

***

Sean May has a rather smooth stroke, if you haven't noticed.

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So much depends on Evans' jumper...

If he can develop it, it will make the pick and roll work more effectively (as well as helping with spacing in general and simple drives to the hoop when no picks are involved).

Right now, because he can’t hit the jumper consistently, the defense can sag or play under the pick. This makes rolling to the basket a lot more difficult (which is why you see so many pick and pops off of his drives).

It often seems like Evans uses a pick to drive and both defenders now follow him. This makes picking and rolling hard because of spacing, and it also makes finishing at the rim difficult because he has to beat more than one man. It opens things up, however, for the mid range jumper off the pick and pop.

Unfortunately, this is not nearly as efficient an offensive weapon (as Ziller has discussed) and can cause scoring droughts when the jumpers aren’t falling (especially at the end of the game when everyone seems to play a little tighter).

by R-Man on Apr 7, 2010 10:19 AM PDT reply actions  

The Spurs did what they do

They bore the shit out of you then make a few key plays when it counts. It won them some championships but – Uhg! Its not much fun to watch.

Beno looked like he wasn’t feeling well to me, and we need Beno to play well just about every night to win. Finally, they scored in the paint – we didn’t. (Tyreke doesn’t count)

Pick and roll, I don’t care what, just get me some points in the paint by our big mn.

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by lietothegirls on Apr 7, 2010 10:55 AM PDT reply actions  

plug-and-play offense

I was at the game and was simply amazed at the Spurs plug-and-play offense. In other words, you plug in a player, tell him what he is supposed to do and watch it work time-and-time again. Sign a player to a 10-day contract, tell him where to drive the ball, when to pass to the post (Duncan or Blair or McDyess), who will find the guy sitting in the corner waiting to bury an un-contested 3… used to be Bowen in the corner, now its Jefferson. They also have and are still one of the best cross-court passing team in the league. The minute a defense swarms to them on the side, there will be a long pass across the court to Manu, or Parker, or Jefferson…. been doing that for years.

I

by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Apr 7, 2010 11:16 AM PDT reply actions  

I really think

that Greg Popovich is the best coach in the league. You are correct, regardless of who is out there, they run their plays to perfection, offensively and defensively.

by MichaelMack on Apr 7, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pop is great, but I’d take Larry Brown. Completely turned things around in Charlotte. They just clinched their first playoff last night. He’s the kind of coach that can beat the Orlando Magic with Stevie Graham and Theo Ratliff starting (which he did, in Orlando).

by DerekRE_3 on Apr 8, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was at the game too.

Like you said, it’s the same old Spurs. When Duncan is off his game like that you gotta like your chances, but they seem to have movable parts. Blair looked really good. The guy is a bull! Thank god he didn’t flip JT over his shoulders like he did to Thabeet last season! Anyway, when push came to shove they just shut the Kings down on defense in the 4th.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Apr 8, 2010 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

What?

Andres Nocioni didn’t have his offense right

That’s not an excuse to bench the team’s best player — just because he wasn’t “right” on one night. Westphal is ruining this team!

"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"

by chapuforyou on Apr 7, 2010 11:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Fun fact

Since the all star break, the Kings are 3-3 in games where Nocioni did not play.

Since the all star break, the Kings are 3-17 in games where Nocioni did play.

Small sample size stats are so much fun.

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by section214 on Apr 7, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Chapu:

As Starting Foward: 27.6 MPG; 42.3 FG%; 40.0 3FG%; 4.2 RPG; 11.5 PPG
Off Bench: 16.0 MPG; 38.5 FG%; 37.5 3FG%; 2.4 RPG; 7.2 PPG

Casspi:
As Starting Foward: 30.4 MPG; 42.1 FG%; 36.4 3FG%; 5.8 RPG; 11.9 PPG
Off Bench: 21.7 MPG 47.5 FG% 38.0 3FG%; 3.7 RPG; 9.3 PPG

Chapu is better when he starts and plays more minutes; Casspi is better coming off the bench.

"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"

by chapuforyou on Apr 7, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Casspi is also a rookie and Chapu is also a seasoned veteran

This is Black Dynamite for Anaconda Malt Liquor... Once you pop the top, the panties drop

by prowseinthehouse on Apr 7, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

No. Chapu is a superhero.

Look! Up in the sky. It’s a bird. It’s a plane…

It’s a long three with 14 seconds on the shot clock. Super Chapu!

Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing in new and unpredictable ways.

by elfboy_ on Apr 7, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I feel like Purple and Black is the color of his Kryptonite

Or would it be Chapunite?

This is Black Dynamite for Anaconda Malt Liquor... Once you pop the top, the panties drop

by prowseinthehouse on Apr 7, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only Eric Maynor can make that decision.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn...

Eric MaynOwned

This is Black Dynamite for Anaconda Malt Liquor... Once you pop the top, the panties drop

by prowseinthehouse on Apr 7, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

What a beautiful world this will be.....

….what a glorious time this will be….

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought the King's Hole was Napear

Guess that is a different kind of sphincter. Oh well. Both stink.

by MustangMBS on Apr 7, 2010 12:32 PM PDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Does Landry really work with Evans? I haven’t seen conclusive proof he does. Their pick-and-roll is odd, and Landry has become less a pivot player and more of a spot-up shooter. We need Landry in the post, and playing with Evans has pushed him out. Why? Can it be reversed? Or will Landry eventually end up as a sixth man again?

Landry will end up as the 6th man. Partially because you’re right TZ, he isn’t the best fit with Tyreke. But, he’s also not suited to play 35-40 minutes. I like Landry a lot as a player (at least as much as I liked Kevin Martin truthfully), but he’s just not that type of player who ultimately suits this team.

For the people who’ve been saying this team desperately needs better, and much more talented horses up front, than here you go. Yet again last night was proof of such. It’s not damning praise when you think about it though. It’s just the reality of the difficulties of rebuilding. It’s hard to get players at every position who make you better AND fit together as a group.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2010 1:20 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Landry is what he is

A stellar 6th man and a slightly above average Starter. Ideally you want a stud PF that can rebound and play defense (cough Favors cough) and then sub in Landry for scoring punch.

Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on Apr 7, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I bow down to your greatness your Greekness.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Isn't it pretty risky to bend over in front of a Greek?

You are a brave man, either that or desparate. ;-)

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by hozr on Apr 8, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 8, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really think he is average at best as a starter

because his lack of rebounding is such a negative as a power forward, and he doesnt bring ball handling, help defense, or passing to the table, just a toughness and knack for scoring efficiently. If we have a chance for David Lee or someone of that stature, I would rather lose Carl than JT or Hawes out of a three big rotation.

by MichaelMack on Apr 7, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed with both Aykis and pookey

I think his ideal role is as the 6th man, and I think he will be a phenomenal 6th man. Unfortunately, on this squad, we need him to be more than a 6th man. Story of our second half.

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by Exhibit G on Apr 7, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well said G.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

The problem I have with this....

is that we gave up Martin to get a 6th man?!?!?!?! I hope you’re wrong. If not, we wasted a shot at a spectacular back court for nothing. Had we not made the trade, it could have been the above mentioned Favors walking into a roster similar to the Thunder before the start of this season.

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by Noble_Bloodlines on Apr 8, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Deal is not over

First we have to find out what we do with the capspace. We can complan about it after we give Amir Johnson the midlevel exception

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by edm7 on Apr 8, 2010 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tyreke's 20-5-5.

If Tyreke makes 20-5-5 it would be epic for the Kings now and far into the future -- including increasing game attendance.
The Kings should now be playing for a better draft pick so wins aren’t that critical.
It would behoove the Kings Management to design these last games around getting Tyrek the points needed for the 20-5-5.
What a shame it would be for Coach Westphal to take the ‘high road’ and act as tho it didn’t matter -- the goal of 20-5-5 is within reach if the whole team focuses on that specific objective. Give him the minutes and let him shoot with abandon.
GOOD LUCK TYREKE, WE’RE ROOTING FOR YOU !!!

by 49erx2 on Apr 7, 2010 1:40 PM PDT reply actions  

He took 24 shots during a game

that the team only scored 85 points. Seems to me as if the team is okay with him trying to make sure he gets his 20.

by MichaelMack on Apr 7, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

This.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

But Tyreke is not necessarily selfish.

His ability to score is a major factor in the Kings being able to win games. Just because he missed shots last night doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be trying to score. He’s the best player. He’s ultimately the guy who the Kings will look to to win games. The fact that he’s 20 makes him young; it doesn’t make him incapable.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

And he missed some shots he normally would make last night too

I think it was offset a little by him making shots he normally wouldn’t make though with his long jumper.

Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on Apr 7, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep this is true.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is why i also see a David Lee/Thompson combo and a Landry/Brockman/Donte combo(That would be trading Hawes for Landry. I know everyone says there goes our shot blocking, but in all you are getting more rebounds, better offense, toss up on defense(Spencer does have more shot blocks). My only question being is Lee a Pick and Roll kinda guy or not, and could he be effective with Tyreke. As much as people say JT and Reke dont work well together, Landry and Reke is a worse combo. If we did a rotation of based off team today + Lee

Reke > Garcia
Beno > Udoka/Mcguire
Omri > Brockness
Lee > Donte(Hes shown he can play at the 4 and get rebounds)
JT > Landry

If you need a larger lineup off the bench sub in Lee for Landry. I think playing JT as Center is best fit for him.I think we need to get out of the mindset that he is a PF and maybe this summer he can try working on not getting all the ticky tack fouls or complaining about em..

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Apr 7, 2010 1:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Chapu > Kings

"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"

by chapuforyou on Apr 7, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Eric Maynor > Chapu

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I apologize to the great one for forgetting to put him out there..His right place should be

Omri > Brockness > Chapu

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Apr 7, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jon Brockman at SF?

That’s almost crazier than starting Omri over Chapu.

"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"

by chapuforyou on Apr 7, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure either.

The luster of Brockman has been lost on me. I don’t think he’ll ever be a clear rotation guy.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is an insane rebounder

But he’s not anywhere near as gifted down low as DeJuan Blair, he’s not a very good passer, and his jumper is still iffy. He’s strong enough that you can’t easily back him down in the post, but most taller players just shoot right over him. I think he can have a future in this league if he just gets a 10-15 foot jumper consistently so defenses don’t sag off him and if he can pass out from underneath the hoop.

Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on Apr 7, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Should the Kings spend the time & money to see that he acquires those skills? Especially since players usually have those skills or they don't?

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Depends on the draft for this year

I believe he has a team option for next year that’s pretty cheap. I don’t see the downside of re-upping him for next year as an extra body and big man insurance.

Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on Apr 7, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

He has a qualifying offer not a team option. Joey Dorsey had that, but he's gone.

And, from a development/insurance standpoint, I have no problem with that argument.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

For how cheap he is now, i can see him really putting the effort together and i think the kings can keep him around for something like a 3 year bargain contract(1m, 1.3m, 1.7m) and see if he develops or not.

We have seen flashes of his ethic and fight on the court, would you think something otherwise of a guy in expanding his game.. Brockman is the kind of player i could see up at 2am on the court practicing this stuff and wanting to get it right.

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Apr 7, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I realize that Brockman has fans

But let’s be realistic: It’s mostly about how fans feel about him and not what he’s actually done on the court this year.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree wholeheartedly with that

The guy has had some awesome performances. He was a huge part of that miracle in Chicago. I’m always a fan of those hustle, energy guys. Its why B-Jax and DC were among my favorite Kings.

Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on Apr 7, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

You mentioned one game. Name 5 others.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

StR night

He had 10 boards in about 16 minutes and 6 points as well.

Our loss against Denver he had a double-double on 5 of 6 shooting in 22 minutes.

In New York he grabbed 5 offensive boards in 15 minutes in a game where we came back to win with the help of those extra possessions.

In our 2nd win against Denver he started and had 12 boards (7 offensive) and 5 offensive.

And even though he couldn’t handle Dwight defensively with 4 fouls, he had 6 boards and 9 points at home against Orlando in 12 minutes.

Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on Apr 7, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

All those games are better "statistically"

than him in the Chicago game. Its just his overall “I’m going into the trenches to fight a war” style of play I love.

Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on Apr 7, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know that about the Chi game vs the others you mentinoed

And I think Brockman COULD make a difference. I’m just not sold there is a great need to do so with him.

In otherwords, if he leaves the Kings in the off-season I won’t shed a tear. If the Kings keep him, okay. It’s not a make or break decision IMO.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wasn't arguing that

I was arguing your contention about fans not liking him for what he’s done on the court.

Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on Apr 7, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's still my contention.

But, that’s okay.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually his scrappiness and what he has shown on the floor is exactly why i am a fan of his. he is not afraid to get dirty and push when pushed by other players

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Apr 7, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I understand that. I just wish it translated better than it has. That's all. No more or no less.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

but he has

poor offensive skills, and doesnt guard tall players well, and has a difficult time defending the pick and roll. He is a blast to root for, but again, his effectiveness is pretty limited to specific matchups and situations.

by MichaelMack on Apr 7, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's my opinion as well.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dont want to sound too contrary

But I am not sold on him being an “insane” rebounder. Defensively, he seems to be average for a power forward, and a lot of his offensive rebounds seem to be because his man is playing so far off of him. I think if he is playing 6 or 8 minutes a game, he can come across as insane, but if he is playing 20 minutes a game, he is a pretty easy player for the opposing team to figure out.

by MichaelMack on Apr 7, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

This sounds like I am not a fan

and I would love to see him on the team next year, I just dont have very high expectations

by MichaelMack on Apr 7, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

And this is why he was a 2nd round pick only making 500k a year this year. I look at his college stats playing center Vs Blake Griffin playing F…I would say not bad for Brockman

Brockman MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
                  30.5 14.8 52.6 0.0 64.0 1.15 11.5 1.2 .97

Griffin MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
                  33.3 22.7 .654 .375 59.0 2.3 14.4 1.2 1.1

It doesn’t convince me he should be starting but I think with time and training he could become a beast out there off the bench and a cheap one at that

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Apr 7, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't wish to be uncouth

But there is a huge difference between Griffin & Brockman. Many people believed that Griffin would end up being the best player out of this class of players. That class of players includes Tyreke Evans.

I don’t think comparing Brockman to Griffin in terms of college stats makes a ton of sense IMO.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just stating look at his college stats as a center he shows much more of a player then the limited minutes hes played on a NBA court

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Apr 7, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can agree with that statement.

What I disagree is that you have to show Blake Griffin’s in comparison.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I look at it as a statistical point of view of the #1 draft pick vs a guy we got in the second..its how I look at it..After all my brain doesn’t work all the way right since i got married

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Apr 7, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your brain works fine. LOL

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well thanks but the wife would argue the poijnt

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Apr 7, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully not.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2010 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you Michael.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

well Thursday night at Jillians

I will also get you to agree that we need to get either Lee or Amare.

cheers!

by MichaelMack on Apr 7, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good luck with that.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am diametrically opposed to acquiring either.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

we will see

booze helps with things like this

by MichaelMack on Apr 7, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not so much with me.

My zealotry is impossible for booze to overcome.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I put him there mostly just because i honestly forgot about Noc. Revised Edition is more like

Reke > Garcia
Beno > Udoka/Mcguire
Omri >Noc
Lee > Donte
JT > Landry

I think Brockman could be a great guy for pick and Rolls, and if he gets his offense/Passing in line he could be great at a SF/PF combo guide and a specialist for defensive sets

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Apr 7, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nobody has anything to say about the title of this?

Really…nothing??

I've got squirrels in my pants!

by otis29 on Apr 7, 2010 4:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Uhhh... the Kings are going Commando?

"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." - Cardinal Richelieu

by hozr on Apr 8, 2010 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brockman and Landry

      Out of the 20 plus wins the Kings have this year, I think it is safe to say Brockman had a very large role in 2-4 games that we came back in and was the difference in those games. Is he a savior, hell no, but neither is E. Najera and he can be a difference maker too.
       As for Landry, send him to the bench? Doesn’t work with Evans? Don’t count me in on those. He is 26, got traded in mid year to a team with a bunch of college kids, has no center really to speak of to play along side of, and for that case a SF too, and you want to make changes. What more do you want? Could he rebound more? Sure, if he could get two more rebounds a game he is a 18 and 9 forward, I will take it. Our defense has improved and our turnovers are down. Some of these improvements started when Landry came here. I think he has done his part, get him and Evans some more help is the answer.

by noreboundsnorings on Apr 7, 2010 4:53 PM PDT reply actions  

I also think a summer pr practice together will make this team a lot stronger and show the guys how to work with each other more. During practice you can talk about what just happened from a players point of view when its fresh in your head..you cant do that on the court as much.

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Apr 7, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am little worried about T. Evans

He has his own team dime if you haven’t noticed and he seems to only listen to them. The pick and roll doesn’t work because he doesn’t pass most of the time even when they double him. He says he’ll work on his jumper but only with the guy his brother Reggie picks out and not Coachie. He doesn’t facilitate for Landry and leaves it to Beno. Kings need better shooters and more of a post presence but at some point Reke needs to trust his teammates.

The Sacramento Kings - our guys have big mouthpieces.

by bringbackbuddytrees on Apr 7, 2010 10:03 PM PDT reply actions  

So that's Reggie Evans fault? I'm not sure I agree with anything you say anyway buddy, but Tyreke doesn't have a big entourage of yes men and everything else.

I might be naive (I doubt it), but this seems too simplistic a view of why the Kings struggle. It’s quite a bit more complicated than that.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tyreke's assists per month (#of games in Parentheses)

3.3 (3), 5.1 (12), 5.1(13), 5.1(14), 7.0 (12), 7.5 (12), 6.0 (2)

Yep the guy doesn’t trust his teammates alright.

Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on Apr 7, 2010 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hah. You call those assists?

If Tyreke was really a PG, he’d have given the ball to a teammate, boosted him on his shoulder, carried him to the basket and thrown him through the net!

Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing in new and unpredictable ways.

by elfboy_ on Apr 8, 2010 5:09 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Whoever created elfboy 2.0

This elfboy must stick around.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 8, 2010 5:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Made by Maynor.

Maynor Made. Are you?

Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing more efficiently.

by elfboy_ on Apr 8, 2010 5:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Technically everyone is Maynor made

since he created the Universe.

Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on Apr 8, 2010 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 8, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tyreke has listened ALOT to Beno, and I'm pretty sure his brother didn't make him

He trusts his players, his style is just very on the ball. Sure he has a lot to learn, but just check his ID, he is only 20

This is Black Dynamite for Anaconda Malt Liquor... Once you pop the top, the panties drop

by prowseinthehouse on Apr 7, 2010 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Beno and Tyreke have some pretty good chemistry

They’re always talking to each other on the court and congratulating each other after great plays.

Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on Apr 7, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Beno/Reke chemistry has to be the most amazing thing about this season. Nobody expected that. Nobody.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I did

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by section214 on Apr 7, 2010 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

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