Kings 116, Clippers 94
(Be sure to check out Aykis16's report from ARCO, where he was the guest on the pregame XO Communications X-Over. And if you're feeling sinister, section214 has a related caption contest for you. Jimmy Kimmel jokes currently popular.)
The Kings versus the Clippers over the past two seasons: 6-2.
The Kings versus the rest of the league over the past two seasons: 36-117.
Here in Sacramento, right now, we take solace in minor victories. Luckily, against the Clippers, the minor victories sometimes look like massive victories. A 22-point win, even at home, even against a markedly bad team playing out the string, is a massive victory, if only because of how overmatched the Kings usually are. And it was worse last season! But the Kings still went 3-1 against L.A.
And it feels great. As the season has worn on, I find myself paying a bit less attention to the score, to the ebb and flow of the game, and instead watching specific players or matchups. Looking down and noticing a 19-point lead is something fantastic, I must say. And that's why you don't root for losses. You just root for the Warriors and Pistons -- Sacramento's lottery combatants -- to win.
Tyreke Evans shredded everyone in his path -- Mardy Collins, Rasual Butler, Steve Blake, Eric Gordon, Baron Davis. (And, uh, Drew Gooden. On the list of players who should under no circumstance switch onto Tyreke Evans on the perimeter, few rank higher than Drew Gooden.) Sam Amick, writing for FanHouse, noticed how dismal L.A.'s effort was, and it was impossible not to notice that in the first half. Chris Kaman essentially packed a double-double in a nice box, wrapped it, added a bow and a tag and handed it to Jason Thompson. Not that The Kid didn't work -- J.T. always works, and you don't pick up 22/15 in the NBA without working. But Kaman was completely flat-footed the entire first half. (In the third quarter, he picked it up a bit ... but only on the offensive end.)
The Clippers actually shot pretty well -- a rare occurence -- but the Kings limited fouls (only 11 FTAs for L.A.) and kept the Clips off the offensive glass (seven in 40 opportunities, or 17.5 percent, far lower than L.A.'s average of 27 percent). All told, the Clips ended up with an Offensive Rating of 104, one points per 100 possessions better than the team's average but below league average by about three points.
The Kings, meanwhile, scored incredibly efficiently, with a 128 Offensive Rating. Fourteen offensive rebounds in 39 opportunities (36 percent -- eight of them were won by J.T.), an eFG of .565, just eight turnovers in 90 possessions. Smooth, smooth offense.
Oh, also, a Casspi-to-Greene alley-oop in garbage time. That was nice.
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When things are looking bleak for this franchise, when it seems we’ll never get back to the playoffs, just chant the following phrase over and over:
“We are not the Clippers”
“We are not the Clippers”
“We are not the Clippers”
“We are not the Clippers”
“Amen”
I've got squirrels in my pants!
by otis29 on Apr 9, 2010 6:58 AM PDT reply actions 9 recs
Green this
I'm a limousine-riding, jet-flying, kiss-stealing, wheeling-dealing son of a gun!!! Wooooo!!!
by Noble_Bloodlines on Apr 9, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Donte TOTALLY kicked Gooden in the head
Should have been a technical but….it’s just the Clippers.
The Clippers were just what we needed.
Dear Geoff,
I would like one Eric Gordon please. I do not want him to be a Clipper long enough for the suckiness to rub off on him. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Tom
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by tomroadrunner on Apr 9, 2010 8:05 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
might be too late
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Apr 9, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
He's a great young player
He’s got some serious hops too, I didn’t know that before this year when he got into the dunk-off. If the Clippers go into a true rebuild mode like they should, they could get a great young team going, Griffin and Gordon are nice pieces, Outlaw is a nice piece if they can retain him, Kaman’s not old yet, the problem is really Davis, they need to unload his contract, but nobody is going to touch that.
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You NEVER
root for the Warriors to win.
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by Aykis16 on Apr 9, 2010 8:32 AM PDT reply actions 6 recs
This.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I can't do it either
I can’t support Nelly’s sham of a record. I’m not impressed by someone having the most NBA wins when they’ve been coaching for over 30+ years and have no rings as a coach.
However, I can root for whatever team the Dubs are playing to lose, unless its the Kings
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I'm not that impressed with Nellie because of how he acts everywhere he goes.
The rings thing don’t bother me because you have to have that one team to win it all. Easier said than done really. If we were judging a guy by whether he has rings, Jerry Sloan and Rick Adelman would be considered complete failures.
I think the Nelly ring point though does have some sense to it in how he deals with teams and they tend to be more dysfunctional when he’s around. I don’t think there’s a secret as to why.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not stuck on
“the only good coaches are ones with rings”. As I noted in another thread, only 6 coaches won rings in the last 20 years. By that criteria, Jerry Sloan’s a bad coach. Talent wins rings in the NBA, coaches enable that talent to work at its highest level.
That said, ya, Nellie’s win total feels hollow to me, “Nellieball” is synonymous with “no big guys on the floor” in my eyes, and just doesn’t seem like a winning path forward.
by TheFifthMookie on Apr 9, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
And if you buy into the
Phil Jackson is not a great coach, but a great controller of ego’s, then the ring theory fails on that one too.
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by prowseinthehouse on Apr 9, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I dunno
Phil has to have been doing something right to win that many times. Sure, he’s had the best player or the debatable best player in the league for all of those, but there’s still something to getting that talent to over-achieve consistently and having a system that utilizes that talent effectively.
That was something I liked about Adelman, when we had high post guys it was Princeton offense, and when we had Ron Artest instead, he changed the offense to fit, and it was working. Water under the bridge now I guess
by TheFifthMookie on Apr 9, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Uh
Sure, he’s had the best player or the debatable best player in the league for all of those
Stars win.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Apr 9, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
This.
It’s not Phil Jackson and the LA Lakers. It’s Kobe Bryant and the LA Lakers
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If you have seen those said players under Phil
You would know that they didn’t need a coach to try and overachieve, they always acted like there was a chip on their shoulder for some reason
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by prowseinthehouse on Apr 9, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
It was really clear that the Clippers could care less right now
The Kings played like they played all year: scrappy and with a ton of effort. The only guy on the Clippers who really seemed to care at all was Eric Gordon. But their defense was lousy, their offense was lousy, and their rebounding was extra lousy. If I didn’t know the NBA and I had to guess who was the All-Star between Kaman and JT last night, I would’ve piked JT by a mile. He was beasting the boards last night.
Speaking of beasting the boards, Landry was making a concerted effort to grab rebounds, something I loved to see. I think he’s a better rebounder than his stats tell, because he did great on them when he seemed to be making it a focus for himself. It also helped that the Clippers rarely bothered to even try for an offensive board, but still.
Tyreke’s shooting stroke has gotten a LOT smoother as of late, these past few games especially. I no longer expect it to be “if” he gets a solid jumpshot, but “how soon”, because he’s well on the way there, and it showed how unguardable he can be when he’s hitting his jumpers.
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by Aykis16 on Apr 9, 2010 8:54 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd rather get 14 & 10 from Landry than 19 & 5 anyday
JT seems to be getting better. I still don’t think he is a center. He has the size & the rebounding but not the defense. I don’t believe his defense is because of effort & he could get better.
Tyreke is a monster. With a good jumpshot & either a few better teammates or current teammate improvement he could average 22-7-7 next year. That would make him possibly a top 10 player in the league. Could you imagine that in his 2nd year?
Can we adjust the Reke-O-Meter to show what he needs to get 20-6-6? Or is he too far away from that. I guess it would take a lot for the rebounds but he has rebounded great these last few months.
I love beating dead horses.
JT's been playing great as of late
He needs to focus on his defense this summer because he’s got a lot of upside there with his size, strength and length.
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As for 20-6-6
Reke would need 31 assists over 3 games (essentially 10 each game) and 67 boards (22.3 a game). So yeah its unlikely.
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Its' amazing
I think his rebounding was a bit underwhelming for this season. I expected more there. But I definitely didn’t expect 5 assists a night. Or the 20 points.
For every real and imagined criticism out there, Tyreke has surpassed every expectation. Just amazing.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'd be more than happy with 20.3 - 5.4 - 5.9
That’s 25 – 8 – 8 last 3 games. Not to be greedy of course :)
I love beating dead horses.
That's Hall of Fame right there.
That’s greedy.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Greed, for lack of a better word, is good.
Greed is right, greed works.
Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing more efficiently.
This is true.
Except I doubt Reke ever be Moncrief defensively.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
No arguing this.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If he comes back with an automatic midrange
He could be at 27-7-7. So far this kid has greatly exceeded our expectations. He plays with the will to be great, I see no reason not to expect him to continue to strive for greatness.
by madmavmathews on Apr 9, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
To expand on that
most games where he scores a lot, (25+) he is knocking down jumpers early. More consistency in his shooting would only increase his un-guardable-ness.
by madmavmathews on Apr 9, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
That is true
Also would be good if he can improve his FT shooting & start to get “star” calls
I love beating dead horses.
This.
I think that will improve as his stamina improves. He tends to miss free throws when he’s worn out. I’m definately hoping he gets star calls. I’m also glad he finishes most drives to the lane on his feet. Before the season started I felt he would be on the Dwayne Wade side of the spectrum as opposed to Lebron James. Because of him finishing on his feet a majority of the time, his tendencies put him on LBJ side.
by madmavmathews on Apr 9, 2010 2:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
confused/feeling hope/feeling hopeless
Great win last night, we definitely needed it. Thinking about our line up. We obviously have our PG in Evans. Beno has stepped up his game this year and works well with Evans. I like Landry at the power forward spot. JT has been averaging 14 and 9 at the center spot in the last few weeks. If Omri returns to early season form next year, we have our SF. If Donte works on his game during the summer, he can be something special.
I like the pieces, and yet, I know it is not enough. And yet, with all our good young pieces, I can’t figure out why we have 25 wins and I can’t see why we would suddenly jump to 35 wins with the current pieces. I can’t see Bosh/Wade etc. etc. coming here in the summer either. And yet, with all our good young pieces, I can’t figure out why we can’t win 35-40 games next year.
When you figure it out, let me know. Need to go back to work
by noreboundsnorings on Apr 9, 2010 9:23 AM PDT reply actions
can’t see why we would suddenly jump to 35 wins with the current pieces.
The Thunder had 24 wins last year and are on pace for 50 this year. They added 3 rookies (Harden, Ibaka, and Maynor), and most of the team improved internally, especially on defense.
The Kings meanwhile, have oodles of cap space and a lotto pick as well. All our young guys should be better next year, the team will have had a chance to gel some more, etc. 35-40 wins is around where I expect next year to be. I think we’ll be like this years Grizzlies in terms of record and improvement.
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by Aykis16 on Apr 9, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Oodles? Did you really just use the word "oodles?"
And to think, we have turned you loose on an unsuspecting public.
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At least he didn't say
Gobs.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Apr 9, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Someone say GOB?

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by Aykis16 on Apr 9, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Oh, just man up
and say butt-load.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Apr 9, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If my stool from the X-Over could talk
That’s what it would be saying.
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All-time low
Following a butt-load comment with a joke about talking stool.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Apr 9, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Also, with good conditioning, they will last a lot longer into the season
This year they didn’t really start having problems until they were really exhausted, if they can manage to keep the tempo from the beginning to the end, they can easily improve their record
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by prowseinthehouse on Apr 9, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
OKC is a 50 win team
because they have a superstar in KD. Superstars take up so much attention that decent to skilled players around them can flourish and benefit from commanding less attention. We have a young superstar in Tyreke. Thats the reason to be excited. As fans there is more reason for hope than there has been in 3 to 5 years. I don’t understand the hopelessness and confusion.
But I don’t know how you can be forecasting 35-40 wins for next year not knowing what will happen in the off-season. I think you are predicting linear improvement and it rarely works that way. I think after trading K-Mart, Geoff is open to turning over the roster fairly aggressively with Tyreke as the center piece. We need a new young star type SG / backcourt mate to pair with Tyreke, and remodel the front court with 1-2 new pieces. That could precipitate OODLES of personnel maneuvering. ;)
We shall see.
35-40 is my vibe right now. I’ll adjust it with our moves this season. I don’t see any way we go lower than this season though unless we take a ton of injuries. And we could go much higher if our rookie is a stud and we somehow land a Bosh or something.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Right... especially with all those extra wins that Bosh brings to the Raptors
Man they are so good now. How do they still have a shot at the lottery?
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by prowseinthehouse on Apr 9, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
How good was Washington with Webber?
I won’t get into an argument about Bosh, because we aren’t going to get him. But one look at http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/04/08/picking-over-chris-boshs-value/ shows that he is the real deal. He would make a huge difference here.
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Ha
Just posted the same thing.
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Or Minnesota with Garnett for so many years?
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I think he is a lot like Webber
In things good & bad. One of the best if not thee best PF in the game but far from a leader. Bosh needs a Vlade.
I love beating dead horses.
I can agree with this, except I think Webber had a better attitude
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by prowseinthehouse on Apr 9, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
You're stretching here
Bosh would be coming to a different situation with the Kings, who have a legitimate star to pair him with. Toronto doesn’t. Toronto also has a lot of bad contracts for a long time, like Calderon, Turkoglu and Bargnani, and are unlikely to get any financial relief to upgrade the team any time soon.
Here’s an article on Bosh by Ziller over at FH.
Link
He’s among the best bigs in the current era of Basketball. If the Kings could land him without giving anything up (a sign-and-trade would likely be for a trade exemption), then you’d be able to put Bosh in the front court with Landry as his stud backup, and JT and Spencer off the bench as your Centers. Factor in our lotto pick as well and Tyreke.
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I guess I'm just biased because I really don't like Bosh
He always seems to have an attitude, and to me is the kind of player who can put up really big numbers (I’ll give him that) but doesn’t make his team any better
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by prowseinthehouse on Apr 9, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Huh, sounds a lot like Demarcus Cousins
I don’t like Bosh’s attitude neither at all. Funny thing is he wasn’t like that in his early years. It could be just years of losing in a bad eastern conference.
I love beating dead horses.
And Turkoglu was supposed to be an upgrade
he just fell off this year
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by prowseinthehouse on Apr 9, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
is there a ball-handling 3-shooting SG out there?
I don’t pay enough attention, but is there that kind of complementary player either in the draft or free agency?
by TheFifthMookie on Apr 9, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Off the top of my head
Draft: Evan Turner, Wes Johnson
League: Andres Iguodola, Joe Johnson, Eric Gordon
who can handle and shoot, except for Iggy who is not much of a 3-shooter, but maybe the best all around player of this group today.
I'm dreaming of an offseason
Where Bosh comes as a FA, and Evan Turner is our draft pick.
shhh. don’t wake me.
by TheFifthMookie on Apr 9, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
(Acting for an AWOL ChapuForYou)
You can just move Chapu to SG and have the best 3-shooting guard in the league!
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by prowseinthehouse on Apr 9, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're describing Francisco Garcia.
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And you can do that Aykis
When A) you have 2 high impact studs like Westbrook & Durant B) have rookies that fit their games very well (Maynor Harden & Ibaka do that), and C those young players work with a coaching staff instead of fighting them at every turn.
The Thunder have a lot of things go their way in terms of luck, but they’re a smart organization. Clay Bennett is, rightfully so, reviled in Seattle for moving the Sonics out of town. But as a basketball owner he’s very smart and has allowed his basketball people to make good decisions for the franchise. Hiring Sam Presti was a brilliant move in 2007, and it’s only gotten better for that franchise since. It’s a shame that so much of the talk around that team still revolved around the ignominious decision to move.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I recently read Paul Millsap's brother is declaring for the draft
So I looked him up on draft express & he seems pretty impressive. Though I don’t see him on any mock drafts. He sounds a lot like Tyreke( gets to the basket at will, decent ball handling, defensive potential, long ridiculous wingspan) He’s played the SF & PF in college but seems to have the skill & size like more of a slashing SF. He is a monster rebounder averaging 16 & 9.5. Maybe we can get him in the 2nd round. He is not bulky like his older bro but strong.
Here is his DX profile if anyone is interested
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Elijah-Millsap-5831/
I love beating dead horses.
Maybe similar (but smaller) version of DeJuan Blair? That would be cool
Too bad we are pretty impacted at SF already
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by prowseinthehouse on Apr 9, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Even though he plays some pf in college
He doesn’t look bulky enough to play in the NBA. D-Blair & elder Millsap aren’t tall but physically big. He also seems like more of a slasher than a back to the basket low post scorer. I know we have enough small forwards but if it’s a second rounder I’d say just take bpa. I don’t know if he will be bpa but he seems interesting.
I love beating dead horses.
Just a reminder...
Thanks for the mods here for letting me post these:
I still have two tickets to tomorrow’s game against the Mavs that I cannot make.
Section 216 G, seats 5+6. $40.50 face per ticket, will sell both for $25 and I can e-mail you the tickets for you to print. Row G is the lowest you can go at that price point before they jump up in price a bunch.
popealopes at hotmail.com if interested
I'd suggest making this a fanpost or something OL
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