Weighing Michael Beasley, Again
As crazy as it seems from the outside, Michael Beasley is so persona non grata in Miami the team is rumored to be considering trading him for nothing, effectively dumping the 2008 No. 2 pick to free up cap space. I know it's 2010 and flexibility is everything, but damn. That was fast.
The Wizards were the first team mentioned as a rumored destination. Mike Prada of the Bullets Forever pleaded against Beasley's cheap acquisition. Surprising, that fans of a bad, bad team which is light up front would reject a 21-year-old seen as a savior just two years ago? Maybe not. Prada gives as reasons to reject Beasley the sheer amount of developmental resources he'd consume, resources already earmarked for players like Andray Blatche and JaVale McGee.
There's another, somewhat related reason: Beasley's just not very good.
Among the 39 players who saw 500 minutes of play and had a usage rate above 25% -- that is, they used 25% or more of their team's possessions while on the court -- Beasley had the 6th worst True Shooting efficiency, better than only Bobby Brown, Tyler Hansbrough, Brandon Jennings, Rodney Stuckey and Russell Westbrook. Sure, Jennings and Westbrook had good and great seasons at that low efficiency. But they do other things: pass and defend. Beasley doesn't pass, and Beasley doesn't defend.
He rebounds, but not nearly as well as expected coming out of Kansas State. And that's the issue with considering him as a King -- this team needs rebounders! Jason Thompson is the team's best defensive rebounder, grabbing 20.3% of opportunities. He ranked No. 58 in the league. That's not good enough. The next King on the list in seldom-used Jon Brockman at No. 71. Spencer Hawes comes in at No. 98. Three Kings in the top 100 defensive rebounders in the league, none in the top 50. Problems!
Beasley comes in at No. 79. So he's not, at this point, a credible rebounder. And while he scores, he's among the least efficient scorers in the league. High-possession, low-efficiency scorers who don't help much in other aspects of the game ... where do I refuse to sign up?
Of course, he is 21. He'll likely get more efficient as time moves on, and given his fantastic ability to create his own shot he could become a great, great scorer. But if he doesn't, he's not going to learn to shoot less. Not without serious tough love. And to get use out of him at that point, you'd be relying on a massive jump in rebounding or defense. It seems all too unlikely. In the end, you're betting on a massive efficiency improvement, with the cost development time for another player, potential a season's worth of wasted possessions, and a not-insubstantial chunk of change ($11 million over the next two years).
It looks like a free lotto ticket, but it's not. Prada's right: whoever acquires Beasley is making a bet, one which is far from a sure thing. We'll see who bites.
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As I have mentioned in other threads (and will do here and then I will shut the hell up), I think that the former NCAA POY, at the tender age of 21, could still be a very good player if placed in the right situation (teamed up front with Joakim Noah or Dwight Howard or Emeka Okafor or Brook Lopez or Robin Lopez or Yao Ming, for example).
That said, I do not think that he is the right fit for this team at this time, physically or emotionally.
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I say we take him
especially after we trade that number 1 pick for Brook Lopez
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This just seems like a situations where you get what you pay for
Sure he could break out and be a good player, but the odds are he will just be a more refined version of what he does now.
I give him a look.
Sacramento may be an ideal place for Beasley. Sacramento is a place that forces you to work on your game more often. There isn’t really anything else to do for basketball players here. We don’t have a huge night life compare to Miami’s. He is coming to a team that he can relate to; everyone in the Kings are young players. There isn’t anyone he can relate to in that Heat’s team. Everything is under a microscope due to Wade.
I think small things like are huge factors for Beasley’s development. If he pans, he was slated to become a dominant scorer in this L. Having another significant option behind Tyreke would be fine.
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I don't understand the nightlife argument
JT & Donte went out a couple weeks ago, and there was shots fired. Yet, the headlines were: Kings players at a nightclub when shots are fired.
They didn’t have anything to do with it whatsoever! Yet, the headlines have Beasley’s name, and there will be some level of assumption that he did it. There are clubs & bars in every NBA city. There is trouble if you look for it, and that’s the way it is.
None of Beasley’s troubles have come because of South Beach. Is there more partying in Miami? Of course there is. But, it’s not like there ISN’T any partying going in Sac either…..
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if the headlines have Beasley's name^
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I don't know.
You have to take it into consideration that everything is in a microscope in Miami due to Wade. I think Beasley would thrive in a situation opposite of that. A moderately-sound market in Sacramento. Although, I understand there will be troubles regardless of situation, a place like Sacramento (towards basketball players), it is sorta a place that does not invite trouble.
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Some players go out & find trouble.
Remember Ron Artest? Mike Bibby? You can find trouble anywhere.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
You are not looking at the whole spectrum.
Beasley would not have the same pressures in Miami if he would trade for him. Sacramento is a place that would inhibit that. And having a group of players that he can relate to, Beasley can thrive here. Sure, there is a possibility that Beasley will not turn out as the player that he can be. I mean, the guy is only 21 years old. I think it is premature to slate him as a bust or anything. He still have considerable amount of potential. Situation is a huge factor regarding Beasley’s development.
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I agree situation is a huge factor regarding Beasley.
And Sacramento is the wrong factor. Beasley could help other teams, but not Sac.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Ok, that's fair.
The reason I want Beasley is the rumored asking price from the Heat. If they want purely to shred salaries at the expense of Beasley. I say why not. It’s like someone is literally offering a brand new car to you but even though you have 4 cars in your garage, you still go for it despite the quantity of cars you have.
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That's not a reason to want a player.
The Kings have other ways they can use their cap space IMO. Taking on Beasley to get more “assets” is something that I doesn’t see working. If Beasley doesn’t have a chance to make a difference, you’re not going to get much for him in a flip deal.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Again, that is a fair perspective to view from.
I happen to think Beasley can contribute to a team that is still molding their young core. I believe Beasley can realize his potential if we can lead him to the path. He still have time to meet his potential IMO.
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I appreciate your car metaphor.
But a player is not an inanimate object. A player is a person, who has an impact on all of the other players on a team. When a team takes on a new player, it is going to change all the team dynamics. There are going to be changes that affect everyone in some way (team chemistry, playing positions, minutes, etc.).
The Kings should have a very good reason to bring on a new player. It shouldn’t just be an experiment, because you feel like you are getting a “brand new toy” for free. The team should feel that this person has something positive to offer. I don’t see that there compelling reasons to acquire Beasley.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Okay.
To be fair, I didn’t put all my perspective into the car allegory. I know team dynamics and role definitions would change if we acquired Beasley. But the thing is, I believe Beasley can provide something positive to the team. If you think about it, if everything goes right, Beasley is a legitimate scoring option behind an alpha option. Beasley’s potential of scoring the ball in varieties of ways intrigues me. Sure, his size may cause concern but once he gets experience, he will learn to adapt to his height and use his talents to his advantage. Sort of like Landry. I like having Beasley as another option with Tyreke. To be honest, having Landry being the most significant option behind Tyreke isn’t something we should be satisfied.
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You are intrigued with Beasley's scoring potential.
I don’t feel the same level of intrigue that you do. Sure, if everything goes right, then there may be some improvement to the team. I’m not so sure the level of potential improvement he could offer is worth the risk if everything doesn’t go right. For me, if there is going to be risk, there better be a real good upside. On example includes Ron Artest. He came with risk, but had a great upside in his defensive skills. I also like DeMarcus Cousins. He comes with risk, but has a strong upside in terms of his skills, IMHO.
You are not the only person on here who thinks taking Beasley is a good idea. I happen to be in the camp that would rather pass on him. But, I respect your opinion.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I view Beasley as a player that can not reach his potential in Miami.
I genuinely believe he can flourish here. I think Sacramento can lay a positive path for him. I guess we can agree to disagree.
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What do you think his potential is if
he can’t beat out Landry & JT at PF or Omri & Donte at SF. Who are you willing to sit on the bench, and let them stew about not getting any playing time.
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Look at at the whole thing.
All of their positives outweighs their negatives. Guys like CWebb, Williams, Artest, Bibby and etc were not defined as evil-do’ers/bad characters once they left Sacramento.
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Bibby was characterized as a bad guy coming into Sac? I don't remember this.....
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I only added Bibby because...
you originally listed him in the previous posts. I would assume you brought him up due to the whole “team dime” thing.
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That's true.
I did mis understand your point. My bad.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Bibby did have a rep and he lived up to it off the court to a certain extent.
“Team Dime”- a group of pot head cronies that followed him around. Bibby was also known as a guy who really big timed people in public. I and have heard stories from servers where Bibby would make his girl and entourage sit at a separate table and he wouldn’t speak to the help. Any questions had to be dealt with through one of his peeps at the separate table. I guess what I’m saying is that Bibby was a d-bag to the people of Sacramento and I wouldn’t be surprised if he was a bit of a putz in the locker room as well. Plus, the guy had all his hair removed via electrolysis on a weekly basis- strange cat that Mike Bibby.
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Yeah, Beasely can't be at all the south beach clubs at the same time
I know there are a few great clubs & bars in Sac. Who cares if South Beach has more. No doubt south beach is probably awesome but Sac & other smaller markets have atleast a few places you can go to have a good time & score a few girls & have a few beers especially for an NBA player. Everywhere except maybe Utah atleast.
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by allbenji's on May 1, 2010 6:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The dude is supposedly in recovery
and oughtn’t be indulging in the night life in any event.
Do you have a current link for that?
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I dont think we've got a good shot of landing a top tier FA
Worst case scenario we take this dude out on a one year spin and it doesn’t work out. Maybe he’s a better fit here, and if not, he’s gone. Next year is almost certainly gonna be another lottery trip anyway, I don’t think its too big a gamble.
Where's he going to play for that 1 year spin.
He’s not better than Landry or JT at the PF spot. In fact he’s a lot like Landry but with more baggage. And, I don’t want to have him taking minutes away from Omri or Donte. Both have more size and shoot the 3 better than Beasley who shot .275 for the season which is worse than Hawes. And, forget about his defense. Even Omri is a better defender.
It’s like going to a garage sale, and buying a painting you’d never put up on your wall, but hoping there’s a Monet under it. Great if you get lucky, but highly unlikely.
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by HighTops on May 1, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Is that Monet or Monet?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Manet?
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on May 1, 2010 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
To those of us who knew him well, it was Claude
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
I think in this case I would, regarding Beasley and French Impressionists, say
Show me the Monet
by betweentheeyes on May 1, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Before or after he jumps on the couch?

Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing more efficiently.
How long until someone makes the argument "we shouldn't get Beasley because he is too short"?
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
How about he has ugly braids?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
The braids are tight.
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Actually, in that picture, they seem to be getting undone.
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Even his braids are trying to get away from him.
Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing more efficiently.
by elfboy_ on May 1, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sign me up
I won’t rest until the entire cast from “Gunnin’ For That #1 Spot” is on our team.
Born Ready? I'd rather have Curry.
His Top Spot Percentage is immaculate.
I don't see what's wrong with giving Bobby a little experience before he starts to practise law.
I feel like we definitely should take a chance on him.
Winning a championship in the NBA requires overwhelming talent. If (the HUGE “if”) Beasley pans out, he will be a perennial top 5 scorer. Having a player like that with Tyreke, our upcoming – presumably studly – draft pick, and another lotto pick next year, would make the Kings a truly gifted, young team. I feel like we MUST take this sort of calculated risk to have a chance at greatness.
Having a franchise player alone along with some borderline allstars is never a championship guarantee. In fact, it is rarely enough to win. A super-scorer would be such an invaluable tool, something I feel we would really NEED to take that step to contender. So why not take this bet on Beasley? I understand it’s not my money so I’m more willing to spend it than the actual owners, but this feels like a no brainer.
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
Disagree.
Beasley is too risky. Why take on that kind of risk?
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Depends on the risk.
If the reward outweighs the risk then you go for it. With that said, the price of the reward would be some cap space and maybe a later pick(definitely outside the lotto). He’s shown nothing to merit a lotto pick and I’d rather take the upside and salaries of Greene/Casspi.
The risk I propose is simply capspace
I was not discussing trading picks or anything of the sort. If this is a pure capspace deal, then it’s a no brainer IMO
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well the kings are no where near the playoffs
he is high risk, high reward. If he does not get better whch is incredibly unlikely so what, how much worse do the Kings get.
Why not do a Beasely for Casspi trade. Beasely could thrive in leading the team with Reke and Cousins or Favors.
The biggest risk is what that he is 4 million on the books for 2 years. Big Fucking risk. He could be the go to guy for Reke. Just put him at the 3 and 4 and he could play well.
The Kings need a scorer and a rebounder, low post scorer, post defender. Get the rebounder, low post beast in Cousins or Favors. Get the Scorer in Beasely.
"Who Wants some pudding pops?, delicious and nutritious!
No.
Casspi is worth his weight in gold. You don’t trade Omri Casspi…even….for any reason….ever.
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Not even Michael Beasley?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Not even Michael Beasley?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
posting it twice doesn't make it better
and to answer
especially not Michael Beasley
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
Casspi is a lot of what this team represents
What kind of team do you want this Kings squad to be?
In my view, Omri is very much in sync with the personality of this squad. He is tough, scrappy, high energy, and dives for loose balls. Omri is also one of the few Kings who can create his own shot – he has ways to go but to me he was a very impressive, if improbable as a rookie (his 3 pt shot is not pretty but it goes in).
In my mind, how much do you just grab together loose ends? Do you go after a type of player(s) who fit your idea of the “team Kings” or just accumulate assets and piece them together, rag tag? I look at the formidable coaches in the Western Conference: Sloan, Popovich, Jackson. They go after a particular player type for the most part. It is more obvious for the Jazz and Spurs but they get guys who either fit or can be molded to their style or off they go.
Does Michael Beasely fit the idea of a future Kings team player? No, he does not. Can he become one in the future? Time will tell, but at this point you have to go with “can’t see it at this time”. Are the Kings so desperate for talent that they take that chance? Beasely has not shown enough talent, IMO, to make that leap of faith.
by betweentheeyes on May 2, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Agree with your points.
First, I think you do need to ask yourself what kind of team you want the Kings to be.
Second, although Omri had an up and down season, scrappy play and toughness do exemplify the kind of play and attitude the team aspires to achieve from all of its players.
Third, and most importantly, you make the point that the “formidable coaches” go after a particular player type, rather than just accumulate pieces.
Fourth, you come to the conclusion that Beasley is not someone that the Kings would seek out as part of their future plans. The Kings are not “so desperate for talent” that they need to take the chance.
I might add that the Kings did a lot of work on the team this season. Although they do not have a lot to show for it in terms of the win-loss numbers, they ended the season on a very positive note in terms of effort and team cohesiveness. It is imperative that the team build upon this and take care to add pieces that will enhance the team as a whole. It is unwise, IMO, to take risky chances that could work to undermine the good work that has been done to this point.
Team chemistry, as the term would suggest, is a tricky balance. You add the wrong ingredient and you could get undesirable results. If someone is going to be added to become a starter, then he better be damn good, or you are going to stepping on a lot of toes with some hurt feelings. Better to seek out and go after the catalyst that will be an asset for the team as a whole. It is a lot easier for a player to swallow, if the player that replaced him as starter is really good and brings more wins for the franchise.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Not for nothing
But if I recall correctly, the Kings team that almost beat the Spurs in the playoffs really only got to that point by the domination of two guys who have troubled and checkered pasts – that being Bonzi Wells and Ron Artest. Detroit won a title with some prickly personalities and guys who have subsequently been shown to be questionable characters. Boston did the same two seasons ago.
It’s great to have rah-rah guys on the squad, but talent still wins in this league last time I checked. Get the talent, then let your coach keep these guys in line – that’s his job after all.
And I’d disagree that the team ended the season on a positive note – maybe on the team chemistry thing, but the performance on court was arguably worse in the last month of the season than it had been earlier on.
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I don't disagree with you about Ron Artest and Bonzi Wells.
In fact, if you read some of my other posts, I have been in favor of taking a risk if the upside, in terms of talent, is warranted. I have mentioned Ron Artest, specifically and also DeMarcus Cousins as a possibility. Bonzi Wells is another good example. I do not see that Beasley’s talent outweighs the risk he brings.
As for the season ending, I am addressing the team chemistry as being the positive aspect. I do not disagree with you as to the team’s performance. I also think that the last month of the season was worse than it was earlier. My concern is taking unnecessary risks bringing in players who could bring in personal problems, which could leak into their professional roles, as Beasley’s have done. Unless a player is a Ron Artest, Bonzi Wells, or DeMarcus Cousins, why go there? There are too many other good players out there.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Thanks Slam
for clarifying my ramblings. Yes, that is my point. The team is rebuilding with a goal in mind. Just adding pieces makes the Kings just like the other underachievers, directionless and unfocused.
Otis, the 2006 Kings were a veteran team on the fade. I will make the assumption that you don’t mean to compare that team with Brad Miller, Mike Bibby, relatively healthy Kenny Thomas and Shareef, Kevin Martin, Bonzi and Artest and at the end of Rick Adelman’s tenure to this current squad. You can’t. Interesting side note: there is only one player from that team on this current roster.
by betweentheeyes on May 2, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
You're welcome.
To me you made a very important point, which you summarized here in a nutshell:
The team is rebuilding with a goal in mind. Just adding pieces makes the Kings just like the other underachievers, directionless and unfocused.
I couldn’t have said it any better.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Except
That’s really just a throwaway line, in that it sounds good – but there’s really no factual basis to back it up.
It’s very Pleasantville, though. :)
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It comes from the holistic idea that
the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
The concept of a team, follows from this idea. When a team works well together, then it is better than the sum of its individual players. That is why one-on-one play is much weaker than if all the players work well together.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
How much of the current roster is going to be a core part of the next great Kings team?
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I do not have an answer to that question.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
3 or 4 at least
Tyreke for sure, possibly Landry, and at least 2 of the youngsters between Donte, Omri, JT, and Spencer. Also maybe Cisco and Beno because of their contracts.
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I'd say Tyreke and Landry/Udrih (possibly)
I wouldn’t call Cisco and Nocioni core parts, because I think they’d be way down the bench on a really good team (and I like both guys). They jury is way out on Casspi at the moment.
Three guys (IMO) with really only one guy certain – I just don’t see how you worry so much about team chemistry, unless you think Michael Beasley is going to corrupt Evans and destroy his “blueprint”.
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Unlesss Landry leaves via free agency after next season.
Evans………maybe JT, Udrih, Hawes, Omri.
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Also highly likely, our lotto pick from this year.
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I think Cisco could be a great 6th or 7th man on a good team
This year will say a lot for his future.
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Probably as "great" 8 or 9 man on a good team.
Semantics but let’s not over value our players. Landry is a great 6 man. Udrih is a very good 7 man. If these three guys lead the Kings bench next year along with Hawes then the Kings should be pretty good. This of course means the Kings have brought in a starting 1/2 and a starting 4 that are better than the guys the Kings already have.
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I'm not comparing this Kings team to the 2006 team as far as the talent level
As much as I’m weighing talent versus chemistry in general. This idea that you have to have a group of choirboys, whether it’s a young team or not, is questionable.
There’s just as good a chance the young guys on this team,and a coach like Westphal, could be just what Beasley needs to find his legs and be a productive NBA player.
Fact is, there’s no science to this. Great teams have been built in innumerable ways, with all kinds of personalities. Beasley sounds like a cheap risk, and if so – you just cut him loose (ala the Kraken) if you feel his negatives outweigh his positives.
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Don't be retarded
Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
This sounds too harsh.... don't be foolish
Casspi is invaluable from a marketing perspective long-term. He is not the asset you give up for Beez. 2nd round pick or bust.
Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
The question is:
What do you give up for him? The rumor I read on espn insider was the Wizards sending their lottery pick to Miami for him. There is no way I make that trade for Sacramento. I doubt I would give up anything more then our second round pick. I’d be very hesitant to part with even Casspi or Greene for Beasley…But on the other hand, if we can get Beasley for something resembling a second-rounder, I’d be all for it.
by glazier_25 on May 1, 2010 4:21 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
If the rumors are true.
I would stop pursuing Beasley if they are asking for something quality-based i.e. lotto pick. The most I give is probably shredding some salaries for them. At most, probably take one unwanted contract from Miami with Beasley. I don’t want to part away guys like Casspi, Greene or even Brockman.
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I would give up brockman for Beez and I dont particularly want Beez.
Depending on who we draft and sign in FA Brock might not even make the team next year. He is a fan favorite for sure, but very replaceable talent wise.
Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
Perhaps.
But I really like Brockman. He is the few players in the L that he brings it all game long. Dives for loose balls, a rebounding machine, great character. A overall good teammate. I have to think long if I give him up in a trade.
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he isnt a rebounding machine
he is a good offensive rebounder.
There will never be another Kareem.
by MichaelMack on May 1, 2010 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
He does have potential, that much is obvious. We are probably not gonna get a good FA this summer, so why not take a two year gamble on him? If the price is right (which is in my opinion a second round draft pick and maybe a lower end rotation player), i would make the move for him. I would be wary of getting him for anything more than that though because he could be a cancer and I wouldnt want a cancer destroying the growth of this team when it has so much potential. It would be a high risk high reward type of move trading for him.
Would you do this?
Beasley, James Jones, and Miami’s first rounder for:
Spencer Hawes and Sacramento’s second rounder
Personally, I think it’s a bit too much, but that’s probably the type of trade they’d be looking at.
That would be a tough call
It would be the type of trade they would be looking for, but i don’t know if I would want that. I think the probability of that trade happening would be dependent on what draft pick we get. If we get #3 and the choice of any big man in the draft, I would say probably go for it. To get Beasley AND another draft pick would be a pretty good deal considering how well Petrie drafts in the latter part of the draft. Using the stats at basketball-reference.com, Beasley is a player who contributes more to his team though I like Spencer a lot and his ability to pass a lot. Thankfully though, I don’t have to make those tough decisions though.
No cuz I don't want Beasley at all.
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If the Kings pick up Derrick Favors, I'd do it.
If the Kings pick Wall or Turner, I’d do it.
If the Kings pick someone else, I’d have to think about it. But Miami’s first rounder tantalizes me in so many ways. 3 Top 33 picks for Petrie? Plus a bevy of bargaining chips on the roster for Levien to package together? Could make for an EXTREMELY interesting off-season.
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Miami's pick is key here for me too
If they;re willing to give that one up, I’m game.
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Just throwing this out there: Evans-Casspi-Greene-Beasley-Favors with JT-Landry-Cisco-Beno off the bench? With the Miami pick?
That’s a lineup that could get up and down the court.
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You really think that
Favors can start center in his rookie year?
There will never be another Kareem.
I do.
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I don't know Pookey
He’s definitely long enough, but I don’t think he’s strong enough yet. I could see Center being his long term position but he needs to hit the weights first.
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PG - Favors is 19 years old with no offense.
He may be a great kid and eager and willing to learn. But learn he must do. You don’t throw him to the Wolves 30 minutes a night with JT, Hawes and Landry. It is a bad message for the coaching staff to send, IMO.
I think you are placing the pedestal at an unreasonable height for Favors his first year.
by betweentheeyes on May 2, 2010 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
You're talking to Pookey right?
And I agree with you. If we draft Favors, look for him maybe getting 20 minutes a night his first year. He’s not going to have a Tyreke impact although I’ll think he’ll show a lot of good stuff.
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by betweentheeyes on May 2, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I like trying to find the diamonds in the rough
And as for Tyrus Thomas and Fesenko, I had different opinions for liking both. Fesenko I was hoping for us to acquire this year, so we would have some size and a try out as he was to be a free agent. Tyrus I still see a lot of talent in and he fulfills a need. Now I just harp on about them because its funny.
But hey, who was one of the first advocates for Casspi last year? (Btw the only Euro I liked in this years draft was Vesely and he’s out. I haven’t seen enough of Raduljica to make up my mind on him at 33)
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Sometimes you get a diamond sometimes it is just coal
It is a fun exercise, the low risk high reward game.
- will be a great discussion in mid June. It is like a meal where everything is presented with a plate dome: the lotto pick is the main course, the #33 a domed dessert.
by betweentheeyes on May 2, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Stupid SBN auto-formatting
But I agree with you. I’m personally more interested in #33 right now since thats the position thats set. May 18th can’t come soon enough.
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Did I ever say I thought Favors would contend for ROTY?
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If he plays for a team 30 min a night
and that team is not the Timberwolves, I would say his name would have to be in contention
by betweentheeyes on May 2, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
In order to justify a top 5 pick?
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oh no, for RoY I mean. He is going to be a Top 5 pick.
Project. He needs seasoning and maturity. I don’t forecast him to be a “force” next season as a PF or C. Could happen, I just don’t expect it. If he is able to earn 30+ min a night that would mean he is very productive (from the start of the season) in which case he is RoY material.
by betweentheeyes on May 2, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup.
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and someone else
don’t know who, but someone
by betweentheeyes on May 2, 2010 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup
I’d guess Cousins, Favors, Aminu or Cole Aldrich. Someone like that. Maybe an Ed Davis, Greg Monroe type.
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Cousins is the most likely out of that group
Favors and Aminu are projects, Aldrich will likely post solid numbers but not RoY numbers.
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I gotta disagree with the project status on Favors.
But that’s me.
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Well
My opinion is that he can make an impact now defensively and in rebounding, but his offense needs a lot of work. He was also in a pretty crappy system over in Georgia Tech, so they’re will probably need to be some kinks that are needed to be worked out there. I also think he needs to get a bit stronger.
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Isn't that the one area the Kings absolutely need help in?
Plus, I present Dwight Howard as a possible comparison.
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I read that
and I agree on type, but I think Favors needs a couple years of solid bulking up and weights before we start comparing him to Howard.
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The Dwight Howard that came into the NBA is not the Dwight Howard that exists now.
That’s all I’m syaing.
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Not sure if i want to be throwing out Dwight Howard references
but Favors is definitely the one i would want
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on May 3, 2010 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Okay
How about a younger Antonio McDyess?
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dear lord young McDyess was good
kinda miss the guy
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by wallywagon11 on May 3, 2010 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Yuh
Dice was good in his younger years.
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if we do eventually draft Favors
within about three years we will have the best “we can kick anyone else’s ass in a brawl” duo in the league
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by wallywagon11 on May 3, 2010 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Favors seems like a fighter to you?
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no
just referring to the amount of muscle mass those two should have after a few years
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by wallywagon11 on May 3, 2010 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Hahahahaha
Yeah Favors will bulk up from where he is now. He’s already 245 lbs Wally. That’s pretty big as is.
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There'll be a surprise guy nobody talks about now as well
I’m leaning Wes Johnson (depending on the team that drafts him, I could see him being a monster on the T-Wolves).
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#1 the deal can't be done before the draft
the new cap doesn’t go into effect until after the moritorium which is July 8 or 9th. Miami wants to clear $8M in cap space and we won’t have that much space until after the draft. Secondly, there are enough teams that would take Beasley without getting a draft pick. So, the only draft pick would be a future 2nd rounder going to Miami so that they don’t have to take any salary back.
This is one of those trades that have gotten so out of hand the next thing we’ll be including Wade.
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I agree
feels like beasley for a second rounder is about right, anything more is too risky
by TheFifthMookie on May 1, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
What is the cost?
I would certainly take a long look at Beasely, he has talent, and Geoff Petrie and the Maloofs are not afraid of “head cases”. Also, the answer varies greatly depending on where the Kings are picking, and who they end up picking. But most important to the formula is what the Kings have to give up. Expiring contracts? Cut the deal. D-Gizzle? JT? No way. Spencer? Uhhhh… maybe.
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Can't vote
because I would want to acquire Beasley as an asset more than a player. I’d also wouldn’t want to give up much (second roundeR) and get Miami to include their first rounder. If they really want to have that much room, they’re going to have to pay for it (just like the Knicks had to include Jordan Hill in the Rockets deal). Yes or No too simple, but I understand that’s the idea of the poll.
I think he can still be a good player (he actually is, I think) but, even after his personal problems, I don’t see him as a good fit on this team
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I also didn't vote because I didn't see the 'woof!' option
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This works for me
play hardball and see if they bite.
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Despite his talent
Beasley doesn’t do anything to help this team. Thanks, but no thanks.
by famous_mortimer on May 1, 2010 4:36 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I wouldn't give up an assets to acquire him.
If Miami is looking to just dump his salary to a team below the threshold and a 2nd round pick. Sure, take a flier and see what ensues, otherwise, we have better things to do with our future.
I would only take him
if they included a swap of their #1 for our #2…which also helps them on cap space
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
I voted yes
I have no problem taking a flyer on a 21 year old power forward with tons of potential. His contract has one year left on it at $5 million. The following year is a team option. If we’re not players in free agency and can get him for free, I say go for it. He’s young and has shown some immaturity. However, I think a lot of his negative behaviors have been due to being young and immature while having a ton of pressure put on him. Coming to Sac removes that pressure. He’ll get to be the youngster that he is. The only expectations for him will be to work his ass off and develop with the team as a whole. He’ll also get to be around other youngsters, albeit high character ones.
Take the chance.
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I agree with you
If the deal is something for nothing, then take a chance on Beasley’s upside.
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What about something like:
Beasley + James Jones for Nocioni?
Jones is a better shooter and a cheaper specialist. Beasley is risk/reward. We move Noc and his dumb, big deal and it appears to be a win-win for both teams.
The whole idea for Miami is to shed salary so that they can go after two big FA's (one being Wade)
No way they take Noc’s salary.
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If Miami wants to surround Wade with 2 superstars
They’ll have to shed all their current salary to do it and fill around them with max players. I don’t see it working well, but they have little to lose.
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They shed the salary of Beasley ~ 4.5 Million and the Salary of James ~ 4.5 Million
Then you add the salary of Nocioni and they get an upgrade at the 3 from James(in their eyes), Shed 2 million or so in salary and move Beasley at the same time.
Jones is not guaranteed
They can simply not bring him back. So they would be taking on contract in a Beasley for Noc trade, which negates the primary reason that they want to deal him.
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1.85 mill buyout on Jones.
No, they won;t consider Noc. They would most likely give up Beasley, Jones, 2-3 million and their 1st for a 2nd round pick. This is about keeping Wade by attempting to add two 12-15 million dollar players and then fill out the roster.
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Hawes
If people say Micheal beasly is still young at age 21 n are willing to give home a chance… Then how about Spencer hawes? Hawes is only 21 too and a lot of kings fan have given up on him already…
Its easy to get down on Hawes because his flaws are so obvious, but...
I say give him 2 more years and then make a decision.
Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
And Beasley's flaws are somehow, less obvious?
Time and time again, history proves to give BIG MEN the extra year or two or else you can REALLY look like a fool.
But Beasley is small for a big man
so where does he stand?
Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing more efficiently.
6'7.5" would be my guess
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Draftexpress link. Book mark this page, it is invaluable. Height doesn’t really matter in this situation. Beasley is a basketball player in the same way that Evans is a basketball player. Position be damned, just get the guy on the floor. He is a comparable rebounder to Hawes at 4 inches shorter, he is a better rebounder than Greene at 3 inches shorter and I’m pretty sure he is a worse rebounder per 36 than John Brockman who is slightly shorter than Beasley.
If I’m not mistaken, Beasley led the NCAA in both scoring and rebounding as a true freshman. He has the ability to rebound, he just needs to be in teh right system to match his skills. He may never reach the status of #2 pick in the draft but hardly any player ever does.
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Does this count?
How long until someone makes the argument “we shouldn’t get Beasley because he is too short”?
by wallywagon11 on May 1, 2010 3:40 PM PDT
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
So, then
You have your answer. 21 1/2 hours.
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by LeaguePassAddict on May 3, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm just saying don't do Hawes for Beez
Ya beez needs more time to develop, but to be a king it needs to be more feasible—the 2nd rounder sounds about right
Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
I've always thought
if by age 26 Hawes finally becomes a great NBA player then it was worth the wait. I’ll take another 3-4 years of inconsistency if he pays off in the end with great play.
Ba-da
By age 26, Hawes will have major knee concerns.
4 knee surgeries while he was in high school. Hawes has some upside still but let’s be real here. He has had 3 seasons to show that he can be good and he hasn’t been able to really show who he is as a player. By the time the guy starts to figure this whole thing out, he will be on the downside of his career.
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Oh yeah-
and Beasley is a better scorer and pretty much equal rebounder at 4 inches shorter. That isn’t praise on Beasley as much as it is a knock on Hawes.
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Agreed
How old is Bogut? 26. He looked pretty bad for years, and finally this year started looking like an all-star pivot (and he was the #1 pick not the #12).
I say give Spencer some time. He may not be an all star, but he could become an effective starter.
he is 25
and he could have had his break out year last year if not for the back problems
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by wallywagon11 on May 2, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Hawes is up for a contract extension next season. Beasley's got two more years.
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Hawes ain't getting no extension the way he is playing.
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I mean, he is up for an extension this summer, and gets a new contract next year, right?
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Not again....
Of course, he is 21.
One “Hawes” is enough right now.
by getPGwithbounce on May 1, 2010 6:21 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yes
because the question reads “attempt to acquire.” If the Kings can unload either Nocioni or Garcia’s contract (likely in some type of three-way transaction) then I’m down. If it involves any kind of draft pick or Greene or Casspi I hang up the phone.
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I cant believe the poll results! 44 percent yes, are you kidding me?? What?! Do people think that he is better than Carl Landry? Seems like we already have a Beasley type player without all the drama. Our team needs a lot, but Beasley, no thanks! I’m still shakin my head at those poll results…jeez
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5 years younger than Landry and under control for an extra season +.
Talent trumps all in the NBA and regardless of what Beasley has produced to this point in his career or the drama that has come along with his, he is still very talented. Dare I say, Beasley is a safer pick-up than Blake Griffin at this point due to injury concerns and Beasley was a better college player. Look at the per 40 minute marks- Beasley vs. Griffin. Beasley out scored Griffin by nearly 5 a game and beat him 2.1 to 1.4 blocks per game while being out rebounder by less than 2 per when you adjust for minute played. If Derek Rose or John Wall were available this last season, Griffin would have gone #2, just like Beasley did.
I’m not saying that I would choose Beasley and his character issues over Griffin, I’m just saying that we have two similar players coming out of college. One of those players has had some off the court issues while the other missed all 82 games with knee surgery. Who is the safer investment at this point? If the Clippers were offering up this same type deal, people here would kick in on the U-Haul.
The pole results you question are about talent, nothing else. Lord knows we have had a lot of questionable players here in Sacramento and for the most part, they come in and clean up their act. This is a good place to raise kids and a good place for 21 year olds to adjust to millionare status and grow up in less than exciting surroundings. The media is friendly, the night life is more tame and the front office has people in place to develop players with issues.
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What does being a quality college player mean now that Beasley has been in the NBA for 2 years?
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What does being a quality college player mean now that Beasley has been in the NBA for 2 years?
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It's not like he hasn't produced in the pro's.
Beasley played one year of college ball and he scored almost 15 points a game this last season. My point is, that if this same poll was up and instead of Beasley it said, Griffin, people would be all over this idea and that guy has never played a minute of NBA action because of a major knee injury. You have nothing to go on when you look at Griffin except his college numbers and Beasley was a better college player.
Carl Landry scored 17.2 points and 6.2 rebounds per 36 as a King.
Beasley scored 17.9 points and 7.7 rebounds per 36 as a member of the Heat.
Landry is 5 1/2 years older and has another year experience.
I guess my point is Pookey, Beasley has a lot of talent. Maybe he hasn’t lived up to the 2nd pick in the draft so far but he is far from a bust. He also has very little injury as opposed to a similar college player like Griffin. This isn’t an easy decision but I still think that he is worth the risk. We aren’t talking about a Cousins Favors argument here, we are talking about taking a gamble on a young player with hardly any risk. Trading for Beasley insures the Kings have a player in case Landry jets after next season and also gives them a player to help them get to a point where a prospect like Favors is ready to contribute. If he is a punk, then you trade him. If he is a star, then we win. If he is the same player that he was last season with the Heat then he becomes the second best player on the Kings statistically.
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by jjham15 on May 1, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm with you on this one JJ
I don’t understand how anyone would argue that the Kings shouldn’t take on Beasley if the asking price is essentially nothing. It’s a no brainer.
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by Kfan in Korea on May 2, 2010 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Thank you for proving my point JJ
Beasley doesn’t actually add anything to the Kings next year. Worrying about 2011 in 2010 is something I don’t think the Kings can afford to do. Beasley would still have to get minutes NEXT year.
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I think moving Greene to primarily play SG would open up minutes for Beasley at backup/startin SF and backup PF.
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
Why would Donte play SG?
I see it’s possible, but simply to acquire Beasley? I don’t see it.
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Because he is 6-10 and can't rebound.
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by jjham15 on May 2, 2010 8:59 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, Donte's rebound rate couldn't be lowered because he played SG.
There isn’t that possibility at all.
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Yeah, Donte's rebound rate couldn't be lowered because he played in the backcourt.
There isn’t that possibility at all.
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This is a no-brainer IMO
If he comes extremely cheap. I agree that giving up any real tangible assets makes it a no-go.
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$11M x 2 years
we may disagree on what cheap is, but that is not my version of it.
by betweentheeyes on May 2, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
That's cheap in the NBA for his level of production
And actually it would be one season at $5 million. The remainder of his contract is based on a team option.
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make more than this, so by comparison he is relatively “cheap”. The incoming draft pick if 3rd or higher will make this type of money.
$5M is cheap by 2008 standards. On this team, with this economy, not so much.
by betweentheeyes on May 2, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
One year at $5 million is too much for a guy with Beasley's talent?
If this team declined to take a chance on him because of a concern with THAT contract (and not as much with the baggage coming with him), we might as well back up the moving trucks at Arco Arena.
That’s a nothing contract, barely a blip on an NBA team’s bottom line.
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Plus if Miami was so worried about freeing cap space
They could send 3 million along with him.
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Yes but the 2nd year has to be decided before the Kings play more than a few (at most) regular season NBA games.
You can’t pick up team options AFTER THE 3RD SEASON Otis. You have to pick them up before. This isn’t a one year deal. It’s a two year deal if you want to keep him long term, and it’s a low trade if you don’t want to keep him.
Trading Beasley if he doesn’t work out is not going to be easy or simple. Especially at the money he’ll be making if the Kings pick up his option.
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Correct, the cutoff date for picking up the 4th yr option is Oct. 31st
I haven’t seen next years schedule, but last season we played the 3rd regular season game on the 31st. So, basicly if you wanted to give him a good opportunity to show his stuff, your going to have to commit to 2 years.
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Landry = $3 million this past year and $3 million this upcoming year.
Beasley = $4.6 million for this past year and $5 million this upcoming year.
Hey, I’ll give these five crisp, $1 dollar bills for that old $20 bill that you’re holding.
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Beasley is a little shocked at the idea...

Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
They are dumping salary and planning to build through FA
That means they are going to give him away. We have the cap space and can take on his salary. What is the downside? I don’t get it as he will be basically free to any that want to take him on and the kid is talented.
His peak is likely to start in a couple years and about the time that the Kings are going to be ready to win a championship. I say get him in the fire sale. We are building with young talent and he fits that mold.
It isn’t like we have a ton of depth talent-wise anyway, especially if JT is going to play Center.
I'd do it
If were not going to be players in the fa let’s spend some of this money on at least poteintial
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F#ck Shaquille O’Neal
F#ck Phil Jackson
F#ck Rick Fox (twice)
F#ck Sasha Vujacic
F#ck Robert Horry
F#ck Derek Fisher
F#ck Dick Bavetta, Bob Delaney and Ted Bernhardt – I’m still waiting for them to have their jerseys retired at Staples.
F#ck Every Laker fan who comes to Arco Arena, wears his hat sideways and stands up and cheers with his arms out and his back to the floor whenever Kobe scores a basket.
Oh, and F#ck Jack Nicholson, Dyan Cannon, and that silver haired douchebag wearing the snakeskin boots.
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by B-RAD on May 1, 2010 8:20 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
First thing that strikes me on this deal is that this is a truly sad story
A 21 year old who has obviously lost his way. His an elite athlete getting paid millionaire money to produce and play the game he loves (I will give him that) and he is being cast to the wind. That is just plain a crying shame.
On the Kings front, I don’t have much to add that hasn’t been mentioned above. To reiterate: The Kings front office is thankfully two seasons away from the drama and headaches of Ron Artest, the position of undersized 4 is already taken with a high character young player in Carl Landry (he is still improving) with Omri and Donte in the wings. The draft is not yet upon the Kings and if the Kings get the 5th or 6th pick Aminu may be the pick and he is another 6’8" player who may be the pick for this team. $11M for a flyer on a redundant talent doesn’t make financial sense doesn’t square. If he were Tyrus Thomas and added something the Kings needed, I could see it. But he is not.
At 6’8" and a non productive tweener, Beasley would be a more expensive Quincy Douby.
If he were Tyrus Thomas and added something the Kings needed, I could see it.
I’m not even going to add anything to this.
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by betweentheeyes on May 1, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
You need to look at his stats before....
making this ridiculous statement:
At 6’8" and a non productive tweener, Beasley would be a more expensive Quincy Douby.
I don’t want to be rude, but you are better than that. You can dislike the the guys game or his attitude but he is still very productive. More so per 36 than any other King not named Tyreke Evans. He is also 21. The same age that the Kings worthless 4th year center is and he get a 4 week pass every time he has a single good game. We can talk potential versus production all we want but in reality, Beasley has produced better than Landry or Tyrus Thomas and he has more potential than either one of them while being younger.
Riley didn’t like this guy in the beginning and he shouldn’t have drafted him. He plays along side the least productive “super star” in regards to wins and loses in the league (since Shaq left). His coach has NO experience. He plays in the modern day Gomorrah. This was the worst possible place for a guy like Michael Beasley to land. I would love to see what a good situation would do for this guy.
Also, Landry is almost 27 and he will be a UFA after the season. Landry should have no bearing on any roster move the Kings make this season- not free agency, not the draft and not by trade. You have to play this off-season like Carl Landry is already gone because, let’s face it, he probably will be when the season ends.
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I'm curious as to how you know Carl Landry is gone.
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Or for that matter
Michael Beasley has more long range potential because he’s 21 than Landry has at the moment.
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He has more potential....
to be a bad apple on a team full of good guys. One thing we definitely have right now is great team chemistry, which goes a long way in the nba. Last thing the organization wants to do is mess that up.
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by nutcracker247 on May 1, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
It took us all the way to 25 wins.
And I would also like to point out that all this kumbaya bullshit goes away if Evans doesn’t learn to respect his teammates on the floor this summer or if Spencer Hawes no shows the summer work outs or if JT takes a dump for 6 weeks in the middle of the season or if Donté Greene is no better an NBA player than he is right now. Chemistry is a fickle thing. Michael Beasley, although in the weak ass Eastern Conference, played a vital role on a playoff team even though he was not considered a “good chemistry guy”.
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You're going to keep going.
You’re wrong, but that’s okay. I hope you enjoy it.
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Jason Smith.
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While you're at it
You might as well bring up Ricky Rubio too.
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That's 50% of people here anyways
and he hasn’t played in this league yet, so we’re safe for now.
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Yeah.
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I'm just f-ing with you Pook.
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Doesn't bother me none. :)
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Please
At least he makes a better argument than “NO NO NO NO NO…I HATE BEASLEY”
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It's not so much I hate Beasley exactly.
I don’t think he’s the type of risk that makes this team better. I’m not arguing he doesn’t have talent or that this current Kings team doesn’t need to really improve to become a playoff team.
But where I disagree that Beasley is A) a cheap answer (he makes 5 million and like 7 million if his option for the 4th year is picked up) and B) a reasonable fit with the talent the Kings have. What he brings is not something the Kings are really lacking at this point IMO.
It’s not like I looked at it once and said: Oh my god I hate MIchael Beasley’s punk ass and I can’t stand him.
I get that the ending to the season was unsatisfactory for most, if not all, but it doesn’t mean that this team doesn’t have the ability to improve over the next 2 seasons. If they don’t have the ability to improve, we might as well become the Atlanta Hawks east or Los Angeles Clippers North. Everything is risk. If you don’t believe in your ability to develop talent, you might as well only play through Free Agency.
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no argument JJ
I was trying to make a point that Beasely, right now, is in a sad place and is lost despite his talents. Comparing him to Quincy Douby is not meant as a slight on his talent (though Douby has considerable talent, but was unable to use those talents in a productive way) and on this Kings team, I see Beasely as being just as displaced.
I mostly used the Douby comparison in that Miami has wanted the guy to work out, has given him multiple opportunities to succeed and cut the guy a lot of slack and are willing, like the Kings, to just cut him loose. He does not fit into their system and you are right, at this point, he probably never can. I agree mostly that Riley should not have drafted him as we openly questioned his choice even before he made it. Riley seems to be someone who might hold the success of the Mayos, Lopezs, and others in that draft class as evidence of his mistaken choice and wants to distance himself by sending Beasely away. The opportunities may not be supplied by Riley but I would be surprised if Spoelstra and his teammates didn’t nourish and encourage the young guy.
Teams are not taking the same risks with players that they more recently have (Joe Alexander, Bucks) with the downturn of the economy, the upturn of D-League talent and the larger risks that smaller profit margins bring. As the draft choice numbers get lower the stakes get higher and the successes and failures can make or break Front Office careers and therefore become increasingly more dramatic. I see this move by Miami as a draft spot lowering for DeMarcus Cousins, btw.
by betweentheeyes on May 1, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree about Cousins-
I just find it so strange that people think that Carl Landry can improve from his current level at age 27 but they don’t think Beasley can when he is 21. Same for Hawes- Beasley is a far superior talent but he is a bust and Spencer just needs another 4 or 5 years. I don’t buy the height argument. I can name 15 or 20 bad 7 footers who came in the league with promise only to plateau at their 2nd or 3rd year numbers. Beasley has progressed, he plays with a chucker, a NaPG, a creaky kneed O’Neil, an undersized Halsem, etc. I don’t see much talent in Miami around the guy and I don’t think he has been given the fairest of shakes. Could he be a horrible bust in Sac? Sure, but I would rather take a leap on this guy than sit on the cash, especially if he comes with a first round pick.
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He's young talented and cheap, so why would they throw in their 1st round pick?
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I don't think that is a hard one Pookey-
You have a guy who didn’t want to leave his former team in the first place. He is good but not great and more specifically, he has a major flaw to his game- he can’t rebound. So, unless the Kings are going to pay way over market value, Landry (at age 28 in the first year of his new deal) is going to be what amounts to a mid-level exemption player and unless the NBA financial system completely changes, he is going to go back to Houston or to a team that offers him a sure fire shot at the playoffs/championship.
Here is how I see it. If the Kings draft Cousins or Favors, it is to fill the PF position. If the Kings some how land Bosh, Lee, Amaré or Boozer, it is to fill the power forward position. This means that Carl Landry is not the power forward of the future but the power forward until someone better comes along. This isn’t to say that I wouldn’t love to have Carl coming off the bench for the next 4 or 5 years but not at 8 or 9 million a year which is what the Kings would have to pay to keep him here.
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jj I'm not sure whether Beez is worth the risk or not
but I do agree with you on several points.
I think it likely that Hawes is going to have knee problems. There was concern here last pre draft regarding Griffin’s knees. From my reading, Griffin’s knee problems don’t begin to compare to Spencer’s. My bigger concern about Spencer is that even if you stipulate that as an immature big who needs 3 -4 more years to reach his prime is that even if he reaches that level is he ever going to be the Center we need? Is another Brad Miller type center what the Kings need?
Miami has never really found a role for Beasley switching him between the 3 and the 4. He has been playing for an inexperienced coach under desperate pressure to win both to keep Wade and to justify the teams payroll. I don’t really agree with your analysis of Carl Landry but the point I do agree with is if the Kings take a 4 or 5 in the draft it will be to provide interior defense, aggressive boarding and filling our holes in the frontcourt.
Maybe I mis read but I thought your bigger point was that the risk/reward on Beasley is that he really doesn’t represent that large of a risk. Also, whether it’s this summer or next, Sac is going to take a chance on someone and a one year $5 mil flyer on Beasley doesn’t risk much compared to the potential payoff of a #2 pick as we are willing to give most of our other players the benefit of the doubt with regards to internal development and growth.
Overall I don’t believe that Beasley represents a greater risk than drafting DeMarcus Cousins and the money isn’t all that much different by NBA standards. If he doesn’t work out he can be renounced after one year. At some point the FO is going to have to roll the dice, if Beasley really represents a pure salary dump then he is worth the roll.
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We are on the same page BJ.
This is something for nothing. Obviously I would have a tough time mixing Cousins and Beasley but that is about it. If the Kings miss out on all the big FA then they are going to need to spend money on something. Tyrus Thomas, for all the awkward man love Aykis throws at him, sucks compared to Beasley. Beasley, unless he goes all street rat crazy, snorting coke off Kayte’s bare mid drift and such then I think he is worth the risk.
You can’t be great being safe. Webber was a risk. Jason Williams was a risk. Peja, Hedo, Tyreke, trading Kevin Martin- those are all risks. The Kings need talent. Sometimes talent comes with strings. If the Kings want to be great, they need to take risks to get there. Not with top 5 picks so much but with other assets like a mere 5 million in cap space.
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This is not something for nothing.
Check out the link for yourself, if you haven’t already
The Miami Heat forward checked into a Houston rehabilitation facility for treatment last week, two people briefed on the situation told The Associated Press on Monday. Each spoke on condition of anonymity because of privacy concerns; one said part of Beasley’s treatment revolved around some stress-related issues, and both declined to say if Beasley was receiving drug or alcohol counseling.
Although this occurred last summer, generally checking into rehabilitation facilities happens when circumstances have gotten out of hand. There was a significant breakdown. It is unclear whether substance abuse played a part in it.
Beasley, unless he goes all street rat crazy, snorting coke off Kayte’s bare mid drift and such then I think he is worth the risk.
Your comment suggests that you may have a high tolerance of what level of behavior you are willing to take on.
If you want a team, whose members value hard work and improvement, then do you really want to add someone who is significantly struggling with day-to-day stresses of living?
I don’t know about you, but I would want my team members to have their heads on straight and come to practice with the mindset to put out 100%. Sacramento does not need to be the “safe haven” for BB players who have emotional or substance abuse problems. Sacramento can be the place for BB players who are more serious about their game than they are the about the lure of the nightlife. The Sacramento Kings is a franchise working to become an elite team. The Sacramento Kings is not a childcare service for wayward players.
Read my signature. I’ll take that one step further. If you want to be the best team, you need to draft the best players. Otherwise, you will be second rate. The Kings have been second-rate long enough. There is no time to mess around with players that come with a high risk price tag, unless the upside is good enough to outweigh the risk. Michael Beasley is not that player, IMHO.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
by Slam_Dunk on May 2, 2010 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry link didn't come up
Go here: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4419340
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I will use Chris Webber to combat this-
Webber attempted to smuggle weed onto an international flight coming to the USA in a size 17 shoe. He and his family took cash while he was in college and he lied to the Feds who then brought him up on charges.
Just because a guy is tall and can put a ball in a basket doesn’t mean that he is smarter than the average bear. Beasley has some issues that you have to watch out for but so do a large percentage of other NBA players. Bringing in one questionable character might spoil the whole lot or the good guys that everybody talks so glowingly about might take Beasley to the next level and help him grow.
This is a low risk proposal. We can talk about a lot of Kings players indiscretions- from Bonzi, Ron-Ron, C-Webb, Vernon Maxwell, Jason Williams, Justin Williams, Tyreke, hell, Bobby Hurley wasn’t wearing his f-ing seat belt when he got hit. The point is, there are questionable guys all over the league. Beasley is one of those guys and at age 21, he might just grow up and become a beast.
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I am not concerned about giving support to help Beasley "grow."
I am much more interested in bringing in a player that will help the team “grow” and improve. I would like to see a guy with more upside than Beasley to make a real impact on the team.
I don’t know how much risk he is. Do you? Were his difficulties psychological in nature, with problems coping with stress? Does he have an addiction or problem with alcohol or drugs? An indiscretion is much different than a chronic condition. I don’t know the answer to these questions, but the answer is important. I do not see that Beasley is a Bonzi, Artest, C-Webb, or Tyreke in talent.
My guess is that GP will pass on him.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
If Beasley "grows", would that not help the team "grow"?
You talk as if there is only one possibility…that Beasley shows up and takes the entire franchise down (with a 1 year, $5 million contract).
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No, no, no
I am not saying that there is only one possibility. There is the possibility that Beasley could come here, click with the other young guys and play well for the team. I do not rule that out.
I am talking about doing a risk – benefit analysis. Let’s say he comes here. I have already outlined my concerns that he could be a potential problem for the team and not realize the potential the franchise had hoped to see. A worse case scenario – he ends up back in a residential treatment facility for whatever reason he was in one previously. He does not play to his potential as he struggles with his personal issues. His salary has taken up some of the cap space that was freed up by the Kevin Martin trade, which could impact who GP wants to obtain as a FA. Someone could be traded to make room for Beasley. Who are you prepared to give up? It might be someone you would like to keep. Will Donte Greene be traded off?
I am not saying that any of these things will happen, I am saying that acquiring him could have consequences that you might not have considered.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
It's not a 1 year 5 million dollar contract
You have to make a decision whether you want to pick up his option. That could drastically affect Besley’s worth to you and other teams. You’re missing that part Otis. Or maybe youre just arguing to argue this because you’re bored. Sometimes it’s hard to tell.
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Then don't pick up his option
That would still give Beasley a chance to prove himself. If he does, you have a potential trade chip…if he doesn’t, you let him go.
Or maybe youre just arguing to argue this because you’re bored. Sometimes it’s hard to tell.
Dude, sometimes I wonder if you have an ounce of self-awareness in your body.
I've got squirrels in my pants!
I sometimes wonder that too.
So now you’re going to piss off a young player by not picking up his option to minimize the investment in him. Especially since he doesn’t fill a position of need and is a minor upgrade at best over the current players on the roster.
But see the thing is, if you don’t pick up Beasley’s option THIS SUMMER, he’s not really a potential trade chip after the trade deadline. And at 5 million dollars he’s really an expiring contract who doesn’t have an option for his 4th season.
I do not see that being a wonderful investment for the Kings to obtain just because the end of the season was unsatisfactory for many.
Of course, if only winning 25 games was terrible, it’s amazing that OKC didn’t just sell off Kevin Durant and Jeff Green and Russell Westbrook after a year.
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It's not like Beasley is other wordly in the rebounding dept JJ.
I’m not arguing for building the front line around Landry. It’s just that your argument for Beasley is based on potential. Don’t the Kings have enough of that as is?
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Potential and production.
You and others are acting like Beasley is doing what Tyrus Thomas or Darko is doing. He is scoring and rebounding at the same level as Landry with a year less of pro experience, 3 years less college experience and at 5 years younger. Is Beasley off to a slow start for the 2nd pick in the draft?
Hasheem Thabeet
Michael Beasley
Kevin Durant
LaMarcus Aldridge
Marvin Williams
Emeka Okafor
Darko
Is Beasley really that far off of any of these other picks outside of the amazing Kevin Durant? Again, look at Beasley compared to all other Kings players not named Tyreke Evans and tell me how he isn’t productive.
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by jjham15 on May 2, 2010 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I haven't said Beasley sucks.
I’ve said he’s the wrong kind of risk. He’s inefficient offensively. He doesn’t help this team defensively. He is not a shot blocker. He doesn’t rebound at a high rate.
There are better risks. That’s what I’m saying. All I’m saying. I’m not saying Beasley isn’t worth a shot if you had a place for him on your roster. But are you willing to play Donte Greene, Omri Casspi, Jason Thompson and Carl Landry significantly less minutes to bring Beasley on? Is he really worth that?
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jj,
While I do not agree with you as it pertains to the acquiring of Beasley, I must say that I respect the opinions and views that you have stated. While you have not changed my mind, you have convinced me that the idea of Beasley coming here at least has some legs.
The “reke” for the above comment is for what you’ve brought to the discussion here on the whole – thanks for giving me a lot to think about. Well done!
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I really look at it as a comparison of players: Donte Greene and Michael Beasley. I see much more upside with Donte. Why take a risk when we already have the possible next big thing?
You need glasses.
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So your an Opthamologist and a professional NBA scout.
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by HighTops on May 2, 2010 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
not to nitpick but...
it’s opHthaLmologist.
Had to be said.
by betweentheeyes on May 2, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Did you have to look at your business card for that one?
Donté Greene versus Michael Beasley? Do we really even need to have a discussion here? The toughest thing to do as a GM or fan is to correctly evaluate your own talent. If we can’t move past this question of who is a better NBA player, Donté or Beasley then this discussion should be a pretty short one.
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I also really like what I see with Donté Greene's skills.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
You can like what you see but that doesn't mean he is in the same ball park as Beasley.
All this talk about Beasley being an undersized tweener and Greene has no actual position. At 6-10, Donté is half the rebounder that Beasley is at 6-7.
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Which is why your missing the point.
More than half the people in the survey don’t agree with you, and as far as I can tell you haven’t changed the mind of any one you’ve had the Beasley discussion with. Now, your refusing to understand that some people might believe that Donte might have a bigger future.
I’m not saying your wrong, and in fact your statement that Beasley’s talent and youth may out surpass Landry, has great merit. What your failing to realize, is no matter how many stats you bring up to prove your point, the future is not based on current stats. The Future is subjective, and as such there will always be people that don’t see the future the way you do. And, there isn’t much you can say to change their minds.
Personally, I think this whole topic is spun on a false premise. We don’t know for sure what Miami wants in trade. Everything discussed here are rumors. The idea that Miami might want to clear cap space to go after Bosh or someone like him makes sense. The idea that Miami would offer a 1st round pick and cash to take their #2 pick off their hands sounds rediculous to me. Especially, since he’s still has 2 years on his rookie contract.
You seem to think he has a lot of potential, and some others in the league probably think so also. So, I imagine that some teams would take him in exchange for a 2nd rounder without getting Miami’s future 1st rounder. So, if I’m Miami, I’m not giving away a future 1st round pick. Maybe money to take another bad contract with him, but even that won’t be more that half of the bad contract.
So, once all the sensationalism is stripped away, we can look at the deal in the true light of day. If the deal is Beasley and Cook for a 2nd rounder, we get 2 first round picks (#2 & #21) still in their rookie scale contracts, and owed $7.1M next season. If the deal is Beasley and Jones, it’s a whole other story. The Kings can’t make either deal until after the new cap space takes affect around July 8th. By June 30th, if Miami doesn’t waive Jones the remainder of his contract $15.8M becomes guaranteed. If they waive him it costs them $6M. So, if the deal is for Jones and Beasley not only would we have to play Jones his $15.8M but there’s a 15% trade kicker.
So, the deal which can’t be done until after the draft, would require the Kings to give up between $7.1M and $9.6M of next years cap space. Plus they would be responsible for between $7.1M in contract for Beasley and Cook or $23M for Beasley and Jones. That to me sounds like a lot of cap space and money for a player that may or may not be better than players we already have under contract.
Final note. I know this is a slow part of the season, but if we get the 3rd or 4th pick in the lottery, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion because we’d probably be drafting Cousins or Favor. And, the last thing this team would need is another player with potential fighting for PT especially when he would be making more money that the other 6 players in the frontcourt rotation.
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by HighTops on May 2, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Philosophical babble.
What your failing to realize, is no matter how many stats you bring up to prove your point, the future is not based on current stats. The Future is subjective, and as such there will always be people that don’t see the future the way you do. And, there isn’t much you can say to change their minds.
There has to be some basis for discussion here and what you are proposing is that we take all statistical data and remove it from the conversation. Basketball as well as all other major sports compile statistics as a way of both showing production and predicting future production. There are non-statistical variables that can be brought in to add to an argument but to withdraw all data is ridiculous.
I am talking about doing a risk – benefit analysis.
This is another one of your quotes. All I see from you is the risks. Where is your position on benefit? And in any risk/benefit discussion, again, statistics become one of the deciding factors of predicting future success. There are benefits to bringing in a player like Beasley, there is just a lot of risk to go with it. I personally think risk can be managed with most players (not including Ron Artest). If you are going to use Beasley’s past indiscretions as a basis for you not wanting him then that is fine but again, you are using his past to predict future issues when you are not willing to use his past successes to predict his future successes.
The issue with regards to Michael Beasley isn’t whether or not he is a good basketball player because statistically speaking, he has proven that he is. Now, he hasn’t proven that he is a great basketball player and it would be tough to find data to prove that he will become great, but at age 21 with no major history of injury, one should be able to make a reasonable assertion that he will continue to produce at or near his current level of success. That current level of success, without looking at any other factors, is a much higher level of success on a much better basketball team than that of which Donté Greene has produced.
Both of these players are immature and have yet to reach their professional potential. Beasley has had some trouble- be it psychological or an addiction of some sort but it has not stopped him from achieving a level of success that Donté Greene has not. Remember, we are looking at two very young men and it’s not like Greene has an unblemished reputation.
and in fact your statement that Beasley’s talent and youth may out surpass Landry, has great merit.
I will end with this- in my opinion, there are very few team who wouldn’t trade Carl Landry straight up for Michael Beasley. Again, similar statistical numbers, Beasley being a better rebounder and 5 years younger while Landry is a better citizen and more efficient. How many teams do you think would trade Landry straight up for Donté Greene? Zero. Greene has potential but like Landry, Beasley has proven he can produce and still has potential.
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First off I've never used the term risk-benefit analysis in my life.
Again you missed my point
Basketball as well as all other major sports compile statistics as a way of both showing production and predicting future production. There are non-statistical variables that can be brought in to add to an argument but to withdraw all data is ridiculous.
The point isn’t that teams don’t use stats to predict future production. The point is that stats are open for interptation, and not everyone sees the stats the same way you do. Some people put a greater importance to other thing than ppg and rbg. And, some people don’t care about the stat, and have made up their own mind without them.
Talk about Babble, you’ve be ranting the same things about Potential for this entire post and you haven’t changed one persons opinion to your side. It comes down to your opinion about Beasley, Landry and Greene, against the opinions of the people that don’t buy it. You can say he has more potential all you like, but I don’t see it as being all that high, and certainly not outweighting the negatives. I am done.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
My bad on the risk quote-
it was Slam_dunk that I accidentally quoted.
These two statements have completely different meanings HT.
What your failing to realize, is no matter how many stats you bring up to prove your point, the future is not based on current stats. The Future is subjective, and as such there will always be people that don’t see the future the way you do.
The point isn’t that teams don’t use stats to predict future production. The point is that stats are open for interptation, and not everyone sees the stats the same way you do.
First up, I stand by my assessment of your first statement. Stats are subjective and can be used in different ways to manipulate a discussion but I didn’t have to manipulate stats to show the difference between Donté and Beasley. I simply put up numbers of a 21 year old Beasley to show that his production was similar to that of a 26 year old Carl Landry. I didn’t put up Greene’s stats because he isn’t even in the same ball park as either one. You can interpret his stats any way you want but I used acceptable per 36 minute statistics, not PER or some hair brained crack pot stat.
Talk about Babble, you’ve be ranting the same things about Potential for this entire post and you haven’t changed one persons opinion to your side.
Now this is manipulation of stats to prove an argument. You cannot prove or disprove how many people who have read my argument and changed their minds. This is fallacious reasoning.
Talk about Babble, you’ve be ranting the same things about Potential for this entire post
Actually, I have been ranting about Beasley’s production and potential versus the potential of Greene because he produced very little.
You can say he has more potential all you like, but I don’t see it as being all that high, and certainly not outweighting the negatives.
I understand and respect this point of view. You have every right to take this position because Beasley has negative intangibles which make him a high risk target. My point has always has been that beyond potential, Beasley’s production to this point in his career would help the Kings and I- not the Kings or StR or you personally would take on Beasley if the right deal was available.
I too am done.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
there are very few team who wouldn’t trade Carl Landry straight up for Michael Beasley.
30 teams wouldn’t trade Carl Landry straight up for Michael Beasley.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Exactly.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Thanks, it does kind of kill the joke when you spell it wrong.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
I am having a hard time coming up with a team in the league where Beasley would be really useful.
Unless he goes somewhere to be a sixth man type. I think he could do good in Phoenix, doing a lot of running and taking a lot of shots when Nash is on the bench. But I don’t think they have any cap space.
I would like to see Minnesota play a line up of Jefferson, Love, and Beasley all at once, but I am not sure Rambis is prepared to coach that.
The best case scenario for Beasley would be to come off the bench in San Antonio or Utah for the next 2 seasons and really learn how to play.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
I honestly feel we'll see a Josh Smith type jump in production from Beasley.
Josh Smith, as is well documented, improved by leaps and bounds this season primarily by improving his “intangibles”: better decision making with the ball, making the extra pass, improving on his shot selection, being patient with the ball in his hands, being a better locker room presence, taking a greater leadership role on his shoulders, and generally improving all around significantly.
I of course have no evidence to support my notion that Beasley will take a similar jump, but it’s my personal opinion. From watching him play often and seeing the frustration, witnessing Spoeltra misusing him time and time again, and running horrible offensive sets for the Heat (aka Wade iso), I really believe Beasley will come back this off season so much better, more mature, and mentally balanced. I just hope we can buy low on this one, because somebody surely will.
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
This.
I know right? this shizzo guy has such amazing insights. GP should hire him!
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
that a near "rec'd"
Shizzo supporting Shizzo’s statements. Funny stuff.
by betweentheeyes on May 2, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
That is pretty funny.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I love buying bridges!
I have quite a few now.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
If those 5 milions,
are not a burden in any way…. meaning that we won’t have to lose a top FA for him, then Beasley is a good bet. We’ll have a team option in 2011 and it sounds like next season could be a good test drive for him.
I haven't really put my two cents in
But I’m of the opinion that if you can acquire him for relatively cheap, you do it. If Miami offers to trade him to you for your 2nd rounder, you do it. The liklelihood of a 2nd rounder being better than what Michael Beasley is now is miniscule. The kid’s a talent who has been faced with an undue amount of pressure in Miami. This team needs more talent and Beasley is a talent.
Now when we talk about trading other players on our team for him, I’d have to think about it, and probably would want Miami’s 1st rounder as well.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Thanks!
You pretty much summarized my feelings, thus sparing me the right up! As for having to give up one of our players, if it’s somebody other than shawes, my gut is telling me “no”.
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
Uhhh...ya obviously
We don’t have anyone in TOP 50 rebounds because nobody had consistent minutes. Guarantee Thompson is easily top 50 in rebounds if he played 39 minutes a game easy. But forget about Beasley. I watched him play for Miami off and on and he’s just another undersized powerfoward.
Actually,
JT was 21st in rebounds, Hawes 47th amongst qualified players. Jt was 29th in rate, Hawes 46th.
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by section214 on May 2, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry, I just don't like the smell of this situation...
Beasley has serious issues, he’s been in rehab, he doesn’t defend well and he’s not much of a rebounder.
We want to put him on this roster because… why?
Carl Landry can do everything Beasley wishes he could do, but better and with a great attitude.
No thanks…
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Why?
Because right now he’d be the third or fourth best player on the team…and he’s cheap…and he’s 21.
I've got squirrels in my pants!
5 million dollars is not cheap.
Sorry.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'll kick in my $400-$500 that I spend every year.
Is that enough to make it happen?
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
Maybe the Kings could put on a RWOTY night/campaign for Beasley.
Reformed Weirdo of the Year. Clearly a prize that you could win multiple times.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
Yuh.
Wierdo iz I.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Maybe we should have an StR award for you.
Wrong place and wrong time but I am very excited to see your transformation from angry guy with pitch fork to StR cult hero. It is a very interesting side effect to the growth but a welcome one. Your writing has always been extremely good but in a small community setting you tender to piss on the natives too much. With the growth, I think that not only your persona here but also your work on ECI has really flourished and the masses appreciate your point of view.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
You've caught me on a Soma/Ibuprofen back induced doping mixed with a LARGE vodka tonic due to back issues.
If I go all Marlyn Monroe up in here at least I said it. ; )
I hope my battle with HT doesn’t leave marks but I think the devils advocate needed to be played on the Beasley front. If the Kings some how lucked out and drafted #2 overall in 2008, I be fighting this same fight for one of our guys.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
Here's the funny thing about Beasley
The idea makes sense. In many ways, if you get a player the caliber of Beasley, you should go for it. I just disagree that the player is Beasley himself.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I guess the other point is that there is more than one way to take a risk too.
Which some might constitute taking a Derrick Favors over DeMarcus Cousins for instance.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
There is your silver lining-join me my friend so HT will be proven wrong!
Beasley, regardless of height has true potential to be a 20-25 point scorer from inside and out. 5 million dollar player with a nickle head. In the right setting you never know what that guy could become. We aren’t talking about Coleman here, we are talking about a dude with problems that might be able to be fixed.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
Ive had enough battles with Otis today.
You have to fight HT on this one by yourself.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm pretty thick skinned so no marks here,
never intended to leave any either, so I hope your unscathed as well. And, for my part the battle was most enjoyable. Sorry about the back, I guess we both have pain to deal through.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Sure, I understand that, otis
but even assuming $5 million is cheap (and I agree with pookey that it pretty much isn’t, really) where does the guy play? I don’t see him beating the Land Rover for minutes.
And on top of that, what about the baggage?
With, say, Paul Millsap at $8 million for 4 years, now that’s a good deal, but with Beasley you’re not adding much of what we need and the other stuff is a little scary.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Would love Millsap
But he isn’t going to be on the block.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yeah
He’s too valuable.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I just meant that a bargain
is relative.
$8 mill for Millsap is a great deal. $5 mill for Beasley, that’s getting expensive…
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
I know exactly what you mean.
I very much agree MM.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
All I gotta say is
StR group think FTW!!
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by edm7 on May 2, 2010 6:42 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Where else could you find a discussion of this caliber on....
a player who might be available that another team, not named the Kings, might be willing to trade for, from a team that may or may not be willing to give up for a bargain basement price.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
What if this rumor is completly false and Miami really just wants to see what his value is on the maket?
Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
this is just as likely as all the rest of teh speculation
Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
i dunno
the rumor they really want to dump him would kinda kill his stock i would think
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

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