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You'll Never Get Everyone To Agree On Anything

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If you poll 100 people, a certain percentage will always go against the grain. That is not to say that they are wrong. But it never ceases to amaze me that there are people that actually think that Grant Napear is not a douche nugget, that there are people that never liked The Simpsons, that there are people that have never used improper punctuation while trying to make a point while writing an ill-advised (and contrived) run-on sentence.

So with that, I ask this very simple question -

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If LeBron James was interested in coming to Sacramento, would you sign him to the max deal?
Yes
1031 votes
No
104 votes
Pudding
114 votes

1249 votes | Poll has closed

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ok ok

ITs a myth

If the Lakers were on channel 5 and there were a bunch of frogs making love on channel 6, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy!

by King7420 on May 15, 2010 9:49 AM PDT reply actions  

On a side note

Im sure the results from this could be used to answer the chris bosh question, the dwayne wade question, and in the future a Carmelo question, a paul question, and a williams question. Hell, I would pay a max deal to David Lee. But only because to get good players in the League, you have to pony up the max

If the Lakers were on channel 5 and there were a bunch of frogs making love on channel 6, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy!

by King7420 on May 15, 2010 9:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Pook will say no to the Wadester. The commie bastard.

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by iashwash on May 15, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah cuz he's 28 and had a lot of bad mileage on his tires.

I’m also not convinced that pairing him with Tyreke would be worth it.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 15, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

But I’d be willing to be proven wrong.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on May 15, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lots of miles

But still one of the best rides out there. The end of the contract may be tough, but it would be a fun ride.

by Hilton on May 15, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd actually say no to Wade

or at least I’d think about it more

"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims

by edm7 on May 15, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I don't know if I'd give Wade the max to come to Sac

His injury history is troubling, and he’ll be 34 by the time his contracts up. But he is one of the best players in basketball.

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by Aykis16 on May 15, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

HE is a bit older, and has had some injuries. However, he does have a ring, and he is a top 4 player. 34 is not that old, I would roll with Wade in a heart beat

If the Lakers were on channel 5 and there were a bunch of frogs making love on channel 6, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy!

by King7420 on May 15, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Understandable

I do worry about tha age, his injuries, and the fact that we may already have a mini Wade in the making. Of course, I woudln’t be mad about it, just would hope that it doesn’t come back to bite us in the butt a couple years later.

"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims

by edm7 on May 15, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

OF course

There would be some risk , however the First major FA that signs with the Kings would be the first. If we have any combo of Reke-Wade, Reke- Lee, Reke-Bosh, Reke-Lebron, we suddenly become an attractive location for top tier talent. I would definitely welcome any top FA

If the Lakers were on channel 5 and there were a bunch of frogs making love on channel 6, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy!

by King7420 on May 15, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not so sure about David Lee

But I get your point. Though the same could happen if we land a difference maker in the draft. Say we get Cousins or Favors and they show some flashes intheir first year and add to an improved Casspi/JT/Donte/ or Hawes. That’s already a talented young core that would be attractive to other talent around the league,

I guess what I’m saying is that we have to draft and spend wisely. I don’t want to throw money at players just because we’re not an attractive destination. That’s why we’re building through the draft.

"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims

by edm7 on May 15, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

But he will get one or damn close

If the Lakers were on channel 5 and there were a bunch of frogs making love on channel 6, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy!

by King7420 on May 15, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

David Lee

NaMC

"If you told him to head-butt the wall, he would do it." -- Paul Westphal re: Brockness Monster.

by PhutureKings on May 15, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amen.

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by lifestyleforthesellout on May 15, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

There ain't no way he even gets close

He’ll get a nice deal…yes, but a max contract or close to it? Nuh uh.

I've got squirrels in my pants!

by otis29 on May 16, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Remember though...

alot of teams are going to be sitting with a bunch of cash after the coveted 3 guys are signed, and are going to have alot of pressure to make a big move after blowing their teams up to get max money. I wouldn’t be surprised if he does receive at least close to a max. However, I don’t see the Kings falling into this for 2 reasons… 1. They don’t make big splashes in free agency. 2. They are under less pressure because they have been working up to get the cap space they have, and didn’t have to blow the team up in a scramble for 2010 FA like the other teams.

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by prowseinthehouse on May 16, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

It'll be around $10 mil a year

Hard to buy groceries on that but -

What can a guy do?

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 17, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Remember Ron Mercer

When the bulls missed out on Grant hill, tim duncan, and t-mac, they signed Mercer to a huge contract, and attempted to sell him as a savior. The teams that miss out on the big 3, will undoubtedly overpay for the other top players (joe johnson, david lee, ray allen, Amare). Teams have been clearing room for this summer for years, players will get over paid. And I would think that Lee is one of the players that will benefit the most

If the Lakers were on channel 5 and there were a bunch of frogs making love on channel 6, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy!

by King7420 on May 15, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Joe Johnson will likely be the overpaid one.

He’s probably worth 8-10 but he’ll get 14-max.

Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on May 15, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think they will all get over paid

The Bulls will sign one, the heat will sign wade + 1, the Knicks will sign 1-2, the nets will sign 1, the Wizards have the $ for 1, the Kings can spend damn close to max and so can the clips. And while I dont expect the Kings to sign any of these players to max deals, they could possibly offer one. And I understand that Ray allen is not a max player, but some team out there will over pay for his services. Whats 10 million to the Nets owner

If the Lakers were on channel 5 and there were a bunch of frogs making love on channel 6, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy!

by King7420 on May 15, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is why I hope the Kings stand pat in free agency

and just pick up a couple crappy expirings along with extra picks.

#vfettkefordraft
"The Kings will get a top 3 pick in the 2010 draft. Book it!"

by vfettke on May 15, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stoudemire

Stoudemire averaged better than 26 points and 10 boards per game after the all star break this year. Those are startling numbers. And for all of the “let’s see how he scores without Nash feeding him” hyperbole, I would counter that Amare is insanely efficient – a TS% of 60+.

Would he be overpaid at the maximum? Probably. But for the right team, he would be worth the money. Imagine him in Chicago, paired with Joakim Noah. Yipes.

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by section214 on May 15, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously. I'm a Stoudemire Fan.

If he wanted to play for the Kings I would be HIGHLY interested.

However, I doubt he leaves Phoenix after lifting them to the Final Four.

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by lifestyleforthesellout on May 15, 2010 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

yet his defense is suspect

If the Kings were to land a defensive big man, then yes. Besides, STAT wants a max deal and a max market. That is why David Lee is more attractive. And he is younger. And he does not have an injury history that pales in comparison to DWade.

by betweentheeyes on May 16, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why get Wade when we have Tyreke?

#vfettkefordraft
"The Kings will get a top 3 pick in the 2010 draft. Book it!"

by vfettke on May 15, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would NOT pay the max for David F ing Lee

REALLY?
Like I'm gonna change my signature
C MON!

by chenp22 on May 15, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

What about Dwight Howard?

Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing more efficiently.

by elfboy_ on May 15, 2010 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Duh

"he looks like he is going to take a bite out of a huge invisible sandwich..." - wallywagon11

by Sacto_J on May 17, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

So you're saying, we'd get 100% yeses on Dwight Howard?

Cause I know I’d vote yes 100% of the time on that.

Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing more efficiently.

by elfboy_ on May 17, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

POOK is entitled to his opinion

IF this were a nash poll, I would have been the first vote of [NO]

If the Lakers were on channel 5 and there were a bunch of frogs making love on channel 6, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy!

by King7420 on May 15, 2010 9:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Reply button. Learn it. Live it. Love it.

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by Jaycee on May 15, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think he knows how to use it JC.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 15, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I answered your Trivia Pookey. I posted the answer under the question

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2010/5/9/1465127/mad-about-cousins#comments

If the Lakers were on channel 5 and there were a bunch of frogs making love on channel 6, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy!

by King7420 on May 15, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't like LeBron

But if he wanted to come to Sacramento I would give him all the money he would ever want. He’s the most talented player in all of basketball. And you know what? Having LeBron James basically guarantees the Kings stay in Sacramento, something that is more important to me than winning a championship right now. Attendance rates would go back to sell-outs every night, the team would get a lot of national exposure, playoffs and eventual championship aspirations would be a mere inevitability.

So yes.

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by Aykis16 on May 15, 2010 10:02 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Having LeBron James basically guarantees the Kings stay in Sacramento, something that is more important to me than winning a championship right now. Attendance rates would go back to sell-outs every night, the team would get a lot of national exposure, playoffs and eventual championship aspirations would be a mere inevitability.

I disagree. The only thing that keeps the Kings in Sacramento is a new arena.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 15, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

But having a mega star does not hurt.

Having Howard in Orlando didn’t hurt the building of a new arena. I think MSG is counting on a big star to help pay for the renovations. It cant hurt having positive attention on a team when it needs help.

by Hilton on May 15, 2010 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

An Arena would happen

no doubt in my mind

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 17, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm just saying without looking, the one no vote so far was pookey.

There’s no doubt in my mind.

What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.

by Grasul on May 15, 2010 10:14 AM PDT reply actions  

You would be wrong

His profile shows he hasn’t voted on this poll yet. So whoever did vote no, I think you should voice your opinion because that’s the whole point

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by Aykis16 on May 15, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Haha

I was joking Aykis…..

What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.

by Grasul on May 15, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

You would be wrong. I cast that vote. Pookey is probably still asleep.

At this point, that puts my in the 4% “going against the grain” range. However, I do think Peaches is a douche and I like the Simpsons. I am truly amazed at all the people who would give the world to LeBron to come here to Sacramento. I guess it is a matter that his star power would put Sacramento on the map. I am not so sure that acquiring him would guarantee that the Kings would stay in Sacramento. The Maloofs could just as well decide to move the team to Vegas.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on May 15, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Maloofs have had every opportunity to move the team and they haven't

Even with a crap economy. Having LBJ would definitely help their fortunes in Sacramento.

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by Aykis16 on May 15, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've been amazed that they haven't moved. Something seems to be holding them here.

But the arena is still up in the air and the door is always open to the Maloofs, if they decide to leave.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on May 15, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can think of $300 million reasons the Maloofs haven't moved.

And there is still the debacle of the All-Star game in Vegas, and the fact that on any given night, there are 1000 more interesting things to do in Las Vegas than attend an NBA game.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on May 15, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

they promised Joe Serna they would never move the team

otherwise, he comes out of his grave and strangles them.

put me in, Coach

by LaBradford on May 15, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Vegas isn't happening because they don't hava a NBA level arena and facilities there SD.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 15, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't realize that.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on May 15, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

A lot of people don't.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 15, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also...

I don’t think Stern will let an NBA team relocate to Vegas on his watch. By many accounts, the scene during the All Star weekend bordered on out of control, and I think that was a major league cautionary tale for the league. Day to day, regular season games there would, I think, be ok. But a seven game playoff series, especially a conference finals or finals series is a whole different ballgame. Players are in a city not just for a night, but for 3-4 consecutive nights. Just too much hype and temptation in a city that thrives on and amplifies that kind of atmosphere…

"Granted, this is not a great situation, but when all you have is lemons, you add some vodka to dull the pain..."

by Mcamp49 on May 15, 2010 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think that's the case

If that was true, the NBA would ban players out of New York too.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 15, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gambling isn't legal in NYC...

To me, Miami and South Beach is a more tempting spot, but that is just personal preference. I just think that between the All Star game weekend and the gambling “issues” that some of the big stars (Jordan, Barkley, Walker, etc) have experienced, sin city is a no fly zone. Not to mention Donaghy…

"Granted, this is not a great situation, but when all you have is lemons, you add some vodka to dull the pain..."

by Mcamp49 on May 15, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

So basically, the reason why Vegas won't have pro sport

is because the players can’t control themselves? Huh…

Wonder how the players associations feels about big brother policing morals.

Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing more efficiently.

by elfboy_ on May 15, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

Well, the NBA instituted a dress code, bears discretion to ban players for stepping onto the court during a fight, suspended Gilbert Arenas prior to him being convicted of a crime, dictates what age players can join the league, and can ban players for use of drugs or, in the case of DUI cases, alcohol.

I’d say big brother policing their morals would just be another day in the office.

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by Exhibit G on May 16, 2010 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

If you take...

almost any group of young, wealthy guys, put them in Vegas and give them special access around the casinos and clubs, the sh** is gonna hit the fan sooner or later.

Combine the fact that pro athletes basically have targets on their backs because of their status along with the ever looming threat of a gambling scandal and I believe that a pro team of any kind in Las Vegas is a longshot. After all, it isn’t just the NBA that has stayed away – the NFL, MLB and NHL haven’t gone there either despite the fact that it is a relatively large metropolitan area without any competition for the pro sporting dollar…

"Granted, this is not a great situation, but when all you have is lemons, you add some vodka to dull the pain..."

by Mcamp49 on May 16, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty much every NBA city has strip clubs and nightclubs that are magnets for bad behavior

I don’t see the casino thing as much different from the standpoint of “getting into trouble”.

I do think the idea of gambling causing point shaving issues and the like is something any pro sports league would need to be vigilant over.

Any of the four major professional leagues would go there in a heartbeat if they felt it was a really good market. And you know one of the leagues would love to be the first and basically own that market…I think they have just determined it would be a crappy sports town.

I've got squirrels in my pants!

by otis29 on May 16, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's an interesting topic...

You make some very fair and valid points – but I do think that the gambling angle has a real hand in deterring teams/leagues from looking at Vegas.

It will be interesting to see what league decides to go there first. The NBA seems the logical fit, but after the All Star game, who knows…

"Granted, this is not a great situation, but when all you have is lemons, you add some vodka to dull the pain..."

by Mcamp49 on May 16, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Players already go to Vegas and gamble now.

Some players will go and gamble. Others won’t. It’s the nature of the beast.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 16, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

And even if there was no gambling,

some players will still find it. Lets place two feral dogs in a small pit, anyone?

Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing more efficiently.

by elfboy_ on May 17, 2010 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Stern has said another All-Star game in Vegas seems 'unlikely'

I agree

No Vegas team on his watch. Plus, they don’t have a sports fan base. What? The tourists will all go?

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 17, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Stern thought there was real money to be made in the Vegas market

No way would he prevent a team from relocating there.

I've got squirrels in my pants!

by otis29 on May 16, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

It’s about money.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 16, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

To me it's not the star power

It’s the simple fact that he’s the best basketball player in the world

"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims

by edm7 on May 15, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...

by Jaycee on May 15, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who the hell doesn't like The Simpsons?

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on May 15, 2010 10:18 AM PDT reply actions  

I used to be a huge fan,

But have you seen it lately? Show has kinda worn out its welcome… really tough for me to say that.

by mike murray on May 15, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I haven't seen it in probably 8 years or so

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on May 15, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

it still has it moments even this season

Still waiting for the Euler of basketball to play for the Kings

by morecasspi on May 15, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

If you watch it today at face value, it is still a great show. It’s not the golden age, but I think that it is still a top 5 show on TV today.

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by section214 on May 15, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

~5 more weeks until Futurama returns.

Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru

by Kfan in Korea on May 15, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

"As the great warrior poet Ice Cube once said, If the day does not require an AK, it is good."
-Ray

by kangsfan on May 15, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously. New episodes

June 24th on Comedy Central

Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru

by Kfan in Korea on May 15, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's draft day too. Isn't it?

Woo hoo!

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by Kfan in Korea on May 15, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

If they've got most of the same writers

That is sahweeet

"As the great warrior poet Ice Cube once said, If the day does not require an AK, it is good."
-Ray

by kangsfan on May 15, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

My Life Is Improving every day because Futurama is coming back.

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by lifestyleforthesellout on May 15, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tapioca or chocolate?

That’s the real question here. I mean would you sign tapioca to a max deal? I wouldn’t. He’s sooo overrated. Now chocolate that’s one bad mutha. Chocolate deserves a max deal no doubt and if chocolate came to sacramento we’d win the championship for sure.

"As the great warrior poet Ice Cube once said, If the day does not require an AK, it is good."
-Ray

by kangsfan on May 15, 2010 10:24 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Chocolate!

Down with Tapioca. No post game, weak rebounder, uninspired… Tapioca is that you Spencer

If the Lakers were on channel 5 and there were a bunch of frogs making love on channel 6, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy!

by King7420 on May 15, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tapioca

NaPG

"If you told him to head-butt the wall, he would do it." -- Paul Westphal re: Brockness Monster.

by PhutureKings on May 15, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Racist.

Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on May 15, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Scouting Report

Chocolate: 6-6, 212lbs, Great first step, great handles, solid jumper, great athlete, 3 point specialist.

How can you not want chocolate on our team.

If the Lakers were on channel 5 and there were a bunch of frogs making love on channel 6, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy!

by King7420 on May 15, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm worried about his health issues.

Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on May 15, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

He does have some injury issues

HIs micro fracture surgery was 3 years ago, I think he should be fine. He averaged 25pts- 7 assists in his final 35 games last season. I think he is finally back on track

If the Lakers were on channel 5 and there were a bunch of frogs making love on channel 6, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy!

by King7420 on May 15, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Diabetes and acne.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on May 15, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

There's always that Euro prospect

Butterscotch.

Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru

by Kfan in Korea on May 15, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fantastic.

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel

by iashwash on May 15, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sign and trade?

I would pull a sign and trade for Lebron. Go get a Durant/Westbrooke combo, or Deron WIlliams/ + first round pick, Dwight Howard/….

by mike murray on May 15, 2010 10:25 AM PDT reply actions  

We wouldn't be able to sign and trade lebron

only the cavs can do that

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by vfettke on May 15, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I meant sign him

And trade him after the 6 months or whatever the requirement is.

by mike murray on May 15, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Orlando would never trade Dwight for LeBron.

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by pookeyguru on May 15, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you poll 100 people, a certain percentage will always go against the grain.

Those would be the ones who answered “no” to your poll.

Then there is another percentage that answered “pudding.” I am curious about those people.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on May 15, 2010 11:03 AM PDT reply actions  

I cannot speak ill of the pudding people

Ultimately, they are my people.

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by section214 on May 15, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am not thinking ill of them.

I am just curious as to why they didn’t answer yes or no.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on May 15, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really, you can't figure it out?

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-Ray

by kangsfan on May 15, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, I can speculate, but I can't read other people's minds.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on May 15, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Adding to this...

Here are some of my thoughts:

1. Some people who answer the poll may come from a different forum and are not King’s fans so they don’t have an opinion of the issue.

2. Some people who are Kings’ fans may not care one way or the other.

3. Some people might might care about the issue, but be on the fence as to whether they would want the Kings to offer the max contract to LeBron.

4. Some people just might like pudding.

There are probably other reasons that I didn’t consider.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on May 15, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

The question is entirely irrelevant

So I gave the most irrelevant answer. And number 4 of your post.

"As the great warrior poet Ice Cube once said, If the day does not require an AK, it is good."
-Ray

by kangsfan on May 15, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

And if Section sets up a joke...

It’s our duty to make the joke.

"As the great warrior poet Ice Cube once said, If the day does not require an AK, it is good."
-Ray

by kangsfan on May 15, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

There, you came up with a reason that I totally overlooked!

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on May 15, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess the question ought to be asked this way:

Why wouldn’t you sign the best player on the planet to a max deal?

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on May 15, 2010 11:06 AM PDT reply actions  

If that best player is or was Kobe, would you sign him to the Kings for a max deal?

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on May 15, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

At 31 years old? No.

At 25? Yep.

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by tomroadrunner on May 15, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

At the time of the deal he signed before his most recent one?

Hell yeah you would.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on May 15, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

What kind of pudding?

Kidding. I voted yes.

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by LeaguePassAddict on May 15, 2010 11:07 AM PDT reply actions  

I voted YES

and global warming is a myth indeed.

by ZenBaller on May 15, 2010 11:13 AM PDT reply actions  

The only way a KING can reel in Lebron James..

Lebron James to sign with the Sacramento Kings!! Now he is a REAL king!

by anthonysam on May 15, 2010 11:56 AM PDT reply actions  

I voted No

I very much dislike James. Not the player James, nor the person James (although I think nobody knows the person, because it seems to be all about the product James).
I dislike the product James.

Everything about him seems too premeditated, too polished, too smooth, too much thought out by spin doctors and with as sole purpose the marketing of the product James.

The few times something spontaneous happened, I was not impressed. Walking away after losing to Orlando last year, the banning of the Crawford dunk videos (assuming it wasn’t Nike but James behind that). I think he symbolizes a lot of things that i don’t like about today’s NBA, where the superstar is more important than the team, athleticism is more important than intelligent play, and the image has replaced the person. I know some of these things have been here for years, but in James it comes out more blatantly, to me.

I don’t want the Kings to become the James-sidekick team. I don’t want to get anxious about a second round play-off exit and hope that a quick trade will appease him. I don’t want a coach fired because he doesn’t listen to Lebron enough, or a coach only busy listening to Lebron. I don’t want to wonder if his night out with Jack Nicholson means a trade with the Lakers. I don’t want him to stint the development of Omri. I don’t want not to see the video of Brockman dunking on him in practice.

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on May 15, 2010 12:18 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I have to disagree

Yes, James is a product. He does market himself. But the hype’s not all his fault. It’s the media too. Everything he does or doesn’t do is overblown to ridiculous proportions. A few years ago in the playoffs he’s driving to the basket, contested, and passes it to Drew Gooden for an open three. Gooden misses, Cavs lose. The media blames Lebron. He should’ve taken the shot. He was being too passive. But, if he had taken it and somehow missed the media would’ve said “he should’ve seen his open teammate in the corner.” Same thing with the Crawford dunk video. That was all Nike. Do you really think Lebron gives a shit that he got dunked on? One grainy video of him getting dunked on is easily countered with hundreds of hi-def videos from NBA games of him swatting dunks and layup into the stands.

I’m sorry, but Lebron gets “the Secret” as Simmons would say. He understands the value of having good teammates. His teammates didn’t get it done against the Celtics and neither did he.

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by vfettke on May 15, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to mention that ESPN was televising his high school games

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by Aykis16 on May 15, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously

He’s the first super-duper star of the 24/7 hour news cycle

I think Lebron’s full of himself and his own hype. But at the same time I also think he comes off that way due to a certain business saavy. He knows how good he is, and he markets it as much as possible to make as much as possible. Can’t say I fault him for it. Up until this playoff series, the Cavs looked like a group of buddies that loved playing with each other. Lebron was a big part of that. But the Celtics took that out of them somehow.

I wonder if Delonte West really did sleep with his mom…

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"The Kings will get a top 3 pick in the 2010 draft. Book it!"

by vfettke on May 15, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

WHAT?
I wonder if Delonte West really did sleep with his mom…

Did I miss something?

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by Aykis16 on May 15, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Possibly the most ridiculous rumor of all time

#vfettkefordraft
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by vfettke on May 15, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh jeez.

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by Aykis16 on May 15, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's fantastic, isn't it?

#vfettkefordraft
"The Kings will get a top 3 pick in the 2010 draft. Book it!"

by vfettke on May 15, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whoever started this rumor

is a master of getting people to fall into the sar-chasm.

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by Aykis16 on May 15, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like I wrote

I dislike the product James.

I know it is not all his fault, vfettke. But that doesn’t change the effects it has. And he is not entirely without blame, as you put it yourself:

My biggest problem with Lebron is that he’s too business-like, too caught up in himself. Guys like Kobe and Jordan do whatever it takes to win. I think Lebron does whatever it takes to look good and make money.

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on May 15, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but two sentences later:
And I think it’ll click very soon for him that the best way to look good and make money is to win at all costs

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by vfettke on May 15, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope so

but I’m not very optimistic. He seems to be so used to being the Man, I doubt many people around him talk back to him and disagree with him in his face. Even if he will start thinking that way, I wonder if he’ll know how to do it.

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on May 15, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the 3pt pass you're talking about was to Donyell Marshall

that’s the one that the media killed him on for being “passive”. But Donyell Marshall for an open 3pter was generally a good shot.

Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!

by Shizzo on May 15, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're right, it was Marshall

good call

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by vfettke on May 15, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I voted yes

My biggest problem with Lebron is that he’s too business-like, too caught up in himself. Guys like Kobe and Jordan do whatever it takes to win. I think Lebron does whatever it takes to look good and make money.

However, he’s about to enter his prime. And I think it’ll click very soon for him that the best way to look good and make money is to win at all costs. He’s a narcissist and completely full of himself. But he’s also the best player on the planet, and he is a great teammate. He’s been stuck on a Cavs team that just hasn’t been good. Mo Williams was good on a bad Bucks team. Jamison is past his prime and shouldn’t be the second option. He and Caron split the second option duties in Washington, and it worked, but he’s no Pippen to Lebron’s Jordan. Shaq and Z are old. West is crazy. Varejao is a nice piece but limited. Hickson’s a really good youngster, but that does them no good if he doesn’t play enough in the playoffs. Mike Brown couldn’t see the glaring adjustments he needed to make in a crucial series. The team around Lebron didn’t step up. I think that led to him giving up.

Here’s why I said yes. His Cavs team was a title contender. Remove Lebron. Which team is better, Cleveland or Sac? I matched them up really quickly (as in i glanced over basic stats) with ESPN’s depth charts. Tyreke was better than Mo Williams. Beno was about equal to both Parker and West combined. The SF spots hard to judge minus Lebron. I maybe take Moon over Noc… maybe. Jamison was a little better than Landry. JT’s stats were better than Shaq’s. I truly believe that the Kings as they are are better than the Cavs without Lebron. Not to mention we have a really high draft pick and Geoff Petrie making the pick. I also feel that Petrie knows how to build a great team and would probably be one of the few GMs that wouldn’t let Lebron push him around and make demands, such as hiring Calipari. That’s why Lebron won’t sign here, not to mention the fact that we’re not located in New York. However, if he came knocking and said he’d play for Sac if they made the offer, we’d be stupid not to take him.

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by vfettke on May 15, 2010 12:27 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

This!

And I’d definitely take Landry over Jamison for consistency. You never know what jamison’s gonna give you game-to-game against great competition.

Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!

by Shizzo on May 15, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

If LeBron wants to come to Sacramento

You give him a max deal. It shouldn’t be a question.

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by Exhibit G on May 15, 2010 2:15 PM PDT reply actions  

hell

if Lebron wants to come to Sac, you give him a max deal, Peaches parking spot, 2 or 3 of the Kings dancers, a gift certificate to Roni Deutch, and a thick, creamy shake. Whatever it takes.

by Dub_TC on May 15, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Voted No

I voted No for several reasons.

LeBron expects the world to revolve around him. In Sacramento, everyone knows that the world is Geoff Petrie’s. And LeBron won’t hold power over Petrie to hire and fire coaches at LeBron’s whim. LeBron won’t make the Kings trade a player just because that player may eat into any one of his core stats and he no longer looks like the 2nd coming of Oscar Robertson statistically some nights. (Do I have proof for some of this? No. Don’t need it. Don’t care if anyone likes it anyway.)

LeBron James pushed the signing of Zydrunas Ilgauskas because Z was his friend. (Z is also a popular player in Cleveland too.) He pushed for the trades of Shaq and Jamison because he wanted to play with them. (Whether he pushed for Amare is pointless. Cleveland didn’t have the assets to pull an Amare deal off.)

If Mike Brown was so sub-standard as a NBA head coach, why not get him fired? Shit, Magic got Paul Westhead fired in 1982 for Pat Riley. (I wonder how that turned out.)

If his teammates suck, or simply not up to LeBron’s caliber of “teammate”, than where is LeBron’s accountability? Cuz he sucked as a teammate during the Boston series, too. He quit on his team the same way they quit on him. Mo Williams is not the leader. Z is not the leader. Varejao is not the leader. Wade had substandard teammates in Miami too, but he didn’t quit on the Heat when there was still an opportunity to win. Miami is just a lot worse than Boston is. And for crying out loud, this is much of the same roster that has led the NBA in wins in the last 2 regular seasons. How is that they got that much worse in the playoffs, but LeBron doesn’t?

LeBron has everything in Cleveland. He gets his ass kissed and is told the world revolves around him. (Which in Cleveland it does.) The Cavs have made deal after deal trying to find the right fit for LeBron James. But it hasn’t worked. Because Mo Williams stunk up the joint last season. (15.8 pts, 5.3 assists & 58 TS%. Awful.) Ditto with Varejao (8.6 pts and 7.6 boards as a role player who doesn’t get the ball. Awful.)

 Look at the season averages for Cleveland and during the playoffs.

Check out Michael Jordan’s career in the regular season and the playoffs. Check out Julius Erving’s regular season vs his playoffs totals.

I would like to thank Lebron James for one thing though: I now appreciate Michael Jordan in ways I never thought was possible. (Not ever, not going to be a Jordan fan.)

“******”

Here’s what I think will happen on LeBron’s barnstorming Free Agent tour: He’ll go around for a month talking to people, waving to people as he gets on & off planes. He’ll wait for a month or so to sign his deal, and then he’ll decide that Cleveland will be the place that gets him all his hopes & dreams.

He’ll find that New York is simply offering him New York greatness and money. Chicago will offer a chance to win, but the spotlight will be shared some with Derrick Rose. I’m not sure LeBron (or Rose) will go for it. Plus, going to sign in either place will likely not happen with a S&T. The Clippers will inquire, and it’s LA, and how can anyone hate LA? The little problem of Donald Sterling isn’t enough to keep LeBron from a recruiting visit.

The inside report on Scout & Rivals is that LeBron is rumored to be committed to Cleveland all along, but he wants to sample the roses a bit before signing his John Hancock and 6 years away.

Because LeBron is a dutiful media whore, he’ll make it seem like his decision came down to a delightful deliberate decision after some productive and fruitful sessions with his family and close advisors.

“******”

Bleh, no thanks to LeBron James. Isn’t worth it.

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by pookeyguru on May 15, 2010 2:42 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree with everything you have to say on the LeBron issue, except for one thing.

I think when all is said and done, he will leave Cleveland. The loss to Celtics changed everything.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on May 15, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd

Still give him the max, if he said, he wants to be a King.
But there’s no way thats happening..

REALLY?
Like I'm gonna change my signature
C MON!

by chenp22 on May 15, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

A fact to which I'm thankful Chen.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

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by pookeyguru on May 15, 2010 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I great breakdown

One thing that gets overlooked is that LeBron has held the Cav’s hostage for the last two years. While I think it would be amazing to see him in a Kings jersey I would not like all the drama that comes with. Pookey makes a great point of how he wanted certain players and it really pushed the salary sky high for the team and undermined the coach and the GM.

When looking at it that way I struggle to feel so confident on my yes answer. For the record my hopes is that the team waits for the other teams with money to burn to go crazy and then have leverage on the free agents that are left. Last year was a perfect example of that.

by Hilton on May 15, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're right about all of this

Smart money says he stays. If it isn’t Cleveland, it’s New Jersey.

I honestly think LeBron would be a terrible fit for the Kings. He and Tyreke both need the ball in their hands. Personally, I think Evans would be mature enough to handle the second banana role for LeBron. But LeBron would get Westphal fired, in my mind.

As for building around LeBron, I see Petrie doing that the smart way; the draft. You follow what Oklahoma City did and surround your star with other young, talented players. That’s where Cleveland has screwed up. They’ve tried to do it all by signing free agents.

But ultimately, pookey, even if he’s a horrible fit, you sign him. He’s a once in a generation player, and you don’t pass on him. But it’s all a moot point, since he won’t come here anyway.

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by Exhibit G on May 16, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Your 2nd paragraph is why you don't bring in LeBron.

LeBron comes at a price, and it’s not the price this franchise can afford long term. Also, the arena issues will probably scare LeBron away anyway.

As you say, this is very moot G.

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by pookeyguru on May 16, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look at Lebron James' regular season vs. his playoffs career averages:

Regular Season: 27.8 points, 7.0 rebounds, 7.0 assists
Playoffs: 29.1 points, 8.4 rebounds, 7.3 assists

Three bad games does not make a guy a choker or an underachiever in the playoffs. The guy was perceived as a playoff hero before this series, and he will be again.

by Charlieb on May 16, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

i voted yes but have mixed feelings

getting lebron would obviously definitely benefit us and make us an instant playoff team in the west
but i just have this feeling like I want the Kings to get to the playoffs without a super-super-superstar like LeBron..

to me, adding lebron is just like taking a steroid for our team
sure we would automatically be a great team, but it just wouldnt feel right to me

"I have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot...and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why... I succeed." Michael Jordan.

by Surprise Team on May 15, 2010 4:07 PM PDT reply actions  

I completely understand where you're coming from

The problem is that if you don’t use free agency, you’re putting yourself at a disadvantage because everyone else is. No one wants to be the Boston Celtics who got great quick.

We would all love it if we could draft our team and make trades for assets. But we have to be realistic. The biggest hump is to get Lebron to even be interested if there was that glimmer of hope, you gotta take the shot.

And that's wassup.

by Sacramento_Strong on May 15, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought you were 27Ft for a second there.

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by iashwash on May 15, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does anybody else think

with a top 4 pick, Cisco back for a full season, WaBeno staying true to last season’s form, Tyreke learning habits from superstars, the continual development of Hawes, Thompson, Greene, and Casspi, that this team might be better off without committing a bunch of money to one play in this economy?

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by Ice_9ine on May 15, 2010 9:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes

Assuming we don’t have a shot at any of the top tier guys. I’d rather take a pass and hold the cap space until after the new CBA. No David Lee for 12 mil a year please.

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by Kfan in Korea on May 15, 2010 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's funny

about every discussion with regard to which player we draft or trade for, the main issue is how that player would fit in with Tyreke. However, here almost everybody says blindly yes to Lebron without even considering that question.

The only good thing would be that Tyreke would have to learn very fast not to hold on to the ball that much and give it up to Lebron.

Apart from that, I’m not too optimistic.

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on May 15, 2010 10:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Actually, I think LeBron might learn a valuable lesson from Evans if he came here

If you can get to the rim every time, do it.

People call LeBron’s jump shot a weakness. I think it is ok in spots, but he relies on it too much. Take it to the rim every time. Get a post game and use your size, if you have to. Stop shooting 23 footers when you are more capable of getting a shot from a foot away than any other player in the NBA right now.

Evans is going to diversify his game. But at least he knows his strengths and relies on them.

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on May 15, 2010 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder

if James would be willing to learn from a young player like Tyreke. Or from anyone.

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on May 15, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

LBJ > Tyreke Evans

Let’s not overrate our rookie now. This is all hypothetical (obviously) but if you get LeBron I’d probably imagine the Kings shopping Reke if it didn’t work. Just like it happened with Martin, if they didn’t think it was working, they’ll get rid of the other guy.

I really hate discussing these type of things because there’s so much ‘what ifs’ involved, but one thing I do know for sure: LeBron James is the best basketball player in the world and if you have a chance to acquire him, you do it and figure everything else later (my opinion only).

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by edm7 on May 15, 2010 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ohh and one more point that may be interesting to think about

If Reke continues to develop and becomes what we think he’s going to be (a superstar in this league) we may want to get used to a player having tons of influence in the front office, coaching, and players moves.

So if you don’t like LeBron having so much power because of the player he is, better start changing that mentality a bit because we may have one of those situations in the making. Just saying

"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims

by edm7 on May 15, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

"a player having tons of influence in the front office, coaching, and players moves"

The question is, do you think that it is such a good development?

Players should play, and leave the things that they are not good in to people who supposedly are. jordan was a great player, not a great front office guy. Assuming that James had his say in these matters with the Cavs, the same applies to him.

These are things you have to nip in the bud. No player should control an organisation that much, IMO.

And i dislike the ‘if you can’t beat them join them’ slogan. It is weak.

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on May 16, 2010 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's a good development

But that’s what happens in this league. I’d love to have a superstar that doesn’t do it, a Tim Duncan like star, but it’s rare.

And I don’t get the slogan part.

"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims

by edm7 on May 16, 2010 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

So we agree it's a bad development

But you’re saying we should just accept it and get used to it.
That is pretty similar to ‘if you can’t beat them join them’. That’s what I meant.

IMO, we should not get used to these things or change our mentality. We should oppose such developments loudly.

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on May 16, 2010 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think we're talking about a fine line

On one side, organizations build around their best players. Cavs with LeBron, Lakers with Kobe, Magic with Howard. The FOs make decisions based on these guys because they’re their franchise players. That’s a fact and that’s fine because you should obviously build around your main guy, not around your role players.

If you cross the line a little (which is what I think you’re referring to) is when this franchise player is actually actively making the decisions because he has so much influence in what goes on around him. This side is not healthy and I don’t want it to happen in Sacramento.

My problem is that you don’t know, and neither do I, if LeBron fits model 1 or model 2. You may think you know, based on the moves that had been made, but it’s not a certainty. I don’t think LeBron got Z a big raise and I don’t think he pushed for Shaq’s trade (just to give a few examples). I do think (my opinion), for example, that he backed Mike Brown and felt comfortable with him as the coach. The front office saw that and made decisions based on it. For example, not sure if they ever thought about getting rid of him, but if they ever did, knowing LeBron liked him helped him stay. I don’t think that LeBron went up to Danny Ferry and said: “hey, you guys better keep Mike Brown as my coach because I like him.”

I think this is where the disagreement comes from. You think, and correct me if I’m wrong, that he would come in and moves would be made because he wants them to go down, while I think that moves will be made because we instantly will start building around him. To me, that’s different.

My last point was that as much as you don’t like this situation, Tyreke may become one of those guys that franchises make decisions around so I ask you, when/if that time comes, would you also oppose that and ask for him to go?

"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims

by edm7 on May 16, 2010 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, you are largely right.

To nuance it a bit: I am afraid that he would come in and moves would be made because he wants them to go down.

And while you think that moves will be made because we instantly will start building around him, and you could be right, it may amount to a similar situation: a situation where management is acting with the main motivation to placate a superstar, instead of with the main motivation to build a championship team. And yes, there is a difference, albeit subtle, and perhaps because of that difference Lebron still does not have a ring.

I in fact would be opposed to it if something like that occured with Tyreke. One day he asks for another coach, and if he gest it, the next day he’ll ask to trade for one of his buddies. Perhaps exagerated, but the point is that at the moment the organization shows a star that they will cater to his wishes, the organization loses control over … the organization (and the star). That is fundamentally flawed and extremely stupid, even if it may lead to the ultimate result.

If a player believes and thinks he can act as if he is bigger than the organization, trade him.

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by RikSmits on May 16, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Depends on the player

I don’t think Magic was a bad influence. And he had lot’s of influence.

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by Kfan in Korea on May 16, 2010 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, let's trade Tyreke

to accomodate James. I heard he likes Curry very much. Let’s trade Hawes for Z while we’re at it. And Omri for Varejao.

How far are we willing to go to faciliate James? Again, will we be the Sacranabto Kings, or no more than the supporting cast of the Lebron show?

… if you have a chance to acquire him, you do it and figure everything else later (my opinion only).

Not a very balanced and well-tought out startegy. It sounds a bit like what Cleveland did…

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on May 16, 2010 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

So did we trade Martin to facilitate for Tyreke?

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by edm7 on May 16, 2010 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Perhaps.

But I’m sure if it was, it that was a conscious decision by the management and not by Tyreke, and that’s a huge difference.

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by RikSmits on May 16, 2010 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you sure about that?

Just like you are sure LeBron makes the personel decisions in Cleveland?

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by edm7 on May 16, 2010 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, and neither are you of the opposite.

but I don’t think it is a stretch to assume that James has much more clout within the Cavs organization then Tyreke within the Kings.

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on May 16, 2010 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

News flash

NBA Superstars have clout.

Does Mike Brown’s employment status hinge at least in part to LeBron’s opinion of him? Absolutely. Because you can find 100 Mike Brown’s, but you can’t find another LeBron James.

I saw Magic Johnson noted earlier in the thread, but even he was thought to be responsible for the firing or Paul Westhead. True or not, the thought of the cream of the crop NBA players wielding influence over coaching and even player personnel decisions has existed for decades. Michael Jordan was allegedly responsible for Doug Collins getting the boot in Chicago. And on and on and on.

There are exceptions – you never hear Tim Duncan throwing his weight around in San Antonio, for example. And if you are one of those rare coaches that becomes a “superstar” in your own right (Phil Jackson, for example), then the dynamic flips a little.

Do I like that this exists in the NBA? No. I don’t like paying $10 for parking at ARCO, but I don’t think that this is going to change anytime soon…unless the price goes up.

If Tyreke Evans becomes the type of player that we are hoping for, this dynamic could very well be in full play by the time his next contract is to be negotiated.

Now, let’s say that coach “X” is at the helm, and the KIngs have been a playoff team for a couple of years, but they are still waiting to make that jump to the next level. Evans has become a top 10 NBA talent. Tyreke wants coach “Y” or he’s packing his bags. The fact that Evans can even make such a demand sucks, but losing Evans would suck even more. And with that, coach “Y” is introduced as the new head coach of your Sacramento Kings.

Like it or not, that is the reality of the NBA.

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by section214 on May 16, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think I answered

in my reply here above to edm7.

Realities change. As long as someone is willing to step off the beaten track. And it seems Lebron is not making a track, but a highway. Pity.

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on May 16, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh dear! I never meant to say that Evans is better than James

I really meant to point out that Evans out of necessity plays to his strengths better than James.

James is by far the most supremely talented player in the world. But he lacks the singular focus on getting to the rim of a young Jordan, the post skills of an aging Kobe, and the lack of recognition to fall back on what you are best at (driving and finishing) that our own young star Evans has demonstrated, albeit out of his own relative lack of diversity.

James has not won a championship because he gives up and shoots jump shots when the defense commits to stopping him in the playoffs. He needs to stop thinking he is a shooter and stick to drives and post ups. Even if he gets a couple charges called, I guarantee he could be more effective doing that than shooting 23 footers and defering to his less skilled teammates.

This is nothing Bill Simmons didn’t point out in his column the other day.

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by Ice_9ine on May 16, 2010 3:26 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

PUDDING!!!!!!!

Anyone who didn’t vote “pudding” is a douche nugget……
It had to be said….

by Tommietunes on May 16, 2010 12:16 PM PDT reply actions  

That would be approximately 90% of the people who voted.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on May 16, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

No problem, your sarcasm was obvious.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on May 16, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

yippy, I'm not a douche nugget!

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on May 17, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pudding, pudding, pudding!

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on May 17, 2010 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is a funny poll.

Anyone that answered No is either completely delusional or they care more about a bunch of other crap more than winning games. Lebron is the best player in the world, and it’s not even very close any more. If his influence in Cleveland is greater than that of other superstars, it’s because he is a greater player than other superstars. If you don’t want that kind of attitude and side show, then you can’t have a superstar (except for a couple very rare exceptions). And unfortunately, winning doesn’t happen often in this league without a superstar. The 2002 Kings were a very rare exception, and hoping for that team to happen again is a bit of a pipe dream. If this team is going to be a championship contender again, it’s probably going to take Tyreke making that leap or some other pampered superstar coming in to make that happen.

by Charlieb on May 16, 2010 3:22 PM PDT reply actions  

YES

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES.

And I’ll volunteer to mow his lawn (TWSS).

I've got squirrels in my pants!

by otis29 on May 16, 2010 3:58 PM PDT reply actions  

I enjoy that "Pudding" has more votes than "No"

I too have never understood how some people have never liked The Simpsons. One of my best friends hates The Simpsons and Family Guy because she thinks they’re “gross” (her word, not mine, and it can be used for FG for sure, but not so much for The Simpsons…) yet she loves South Park. Yeah, makes perfect sense to love the grossest of the three yet hate the others for being too gross…..hmm.

Oh, and I voted yes. Duh.

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by Christina_J on May 16, 2010 7:32 PM PDT reply actions  

so i don't like the simpsons

cartoons have never been my thing so put me down for not liking any of those shows.

by Madzillagd on May 17, 2010 8:33 AM PDT reply actions  

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