2010 StR Community Draft Board: Pick #2
by Tom Ziller on May 18, 2010 5:48 AM PDT
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PrintJohn Wall shockingly won the poll for the #1 slot on the StR Community Draft Board.
Pick who you'd want the Kings to pick given all the players remaining. Note: THIS IS NOT A MOCK DRAFT. This is draft board, a list with the order of prospects you'd like to see the Kings pick. In other words, if we were the Kings front office, when our pick came up, we'd take the top name left on our board. So pick your choice, not who you think Geoff Petrie or anyone else would choose in a slot.
Explain your choice in the comments, and lobby for who should be added to the next pick's choices.
This poll ends at 5 AM tomorrow. The next one will be begin shortly thereafter. We will go 25 picks deep.
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Turner
He will be the BPA, unless he does poorly in workouts and Favors and/or Cousins shine.
I wouldn’t mind trading down to #4 to pick one of these big guys (preferably Favors) and get another pick. I wouldn’t mind keeping him either.
Dunking Dutchman
I accidently voted for Cousins
But I’d take Turner here. I’m a little nervous about his ball-handling, that his rebounding will disappear in the pros, and about his outside shot given his age. But he’s the most refined player available, perhaps the least risky, and he’s pretty darn good right now.
Freudian slip of the mouse?
P.S. Will you continue the series on defense, with the Synergy stats. I really liked these posts.
Dunking Dutchman
Yeah.....Turner's the Dude
I think he would thrive in Westphal’s half-court sets by moving off of screens. I agree that he has to work on his outside shot, but Turner did show some efficiency on a low volume of three’s, so it’s not like he has to completely overhaul his shooting stroke. I actually think he’s a good ball handler for a two—he had some trouble against Siena in the Tourney, but this was the exception to all of the other games I saw him play.
Evan’s has the best mid range game in the draft; and his basketball IQ is special—excellent passer, understands spacing and how to move off the ball, tremendous intangibles. Best player available….take him and bolster the inside game via free agency.
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by Olberdingleberry on May 18, 2010 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions
It's interesting to me that Turner is seen as a safer pick than Cousins
I think we always look at the polished player and think, “OK, well, at least he can do that.” And yet I would argue that average to subpar athletes are the riskiest picks of all, especially ones who can’t shoot. If Turner isn’t quick/tall/athletic enough to get his shot off in the NBA what is he going to do? Look at what happened to Adam Morrison.
At least Cousins is a 6’11" big dude with good hands. Unless he goes off the deep end Eddie Griffin style, goes Oliver Miller with his weight, or has a career-ending injury, someone like Cousins is useful. I feel like Cousins is the surest thing in the draft. There is always a premium on 6’11" big dudes with good hands.
Cousins, to me, is the safe pick. The risk with him enters the picture when you think about whether he’s going to capitalize on his potential. But worst case it’s hard to see him bouncing out of the league barring injury or complete and total insanity.
by nbrans on May 18, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
not to make this too complicated for you
but what about Favors? I know you think more highly of Cousins but what about Turner in relation to Favors?
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't know, honestly
I see them about on the same level of risk. Despite my reservations I think Turner is the best SG in the draft, and I think he has the potential to be a late-career Grant Hill, which is still pretty valuable. But worst case his offense is all 15 foot in and he’s not a Tyreke/Roy type of athlete.
Favors also has a lot of potential, but at 6’9" he can’t fall back on his height like Cousins. He could be Amare, he could be Stromile Swift. I personally don’t think he has the motor to be Amare, but he’s pretty coordinated so it’s possible.
For the Kings I’d probably go with Favors because of such a deep need for athleticism on the frontline. But Turner/Favors is a tough call to me.
yeah i must admit, i don't think Cousins or Favors are going to be perrenial star players
Cousins seems destined to be a head case down the road. Favors might blossom for a few years on his athleticism and break down late in his career (or perhaps will just not have a refined low post game and hopefully be a Marcus Camby type – i can dream)
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
but then again what the hell do i know
I hardly watch college basketball. I am really just going off of a few minutes here and there and reading about them.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
What about...
Zach Randolph?
He produced for Portland, but was ultimately a negative impact on the team. Sure, he stuck around the league and ultimately made a positive impact in Memphis, but does that mean Portland was happy they drafted him?
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Consdering they gave him an $84 million extension I'd say they were happy with drafting him
They regretted the extension, not the draft choice.
But I see your basic point, which is that a poisonous attitude can quickly sour a draft choice. I still think that happens less often (at least in the first four years) than someone bouncing out because they’re not athletic enough.
Cousins
I feel great for this guy, it’s the one player I really want the Kings to pick.
He may end in a bust (but that’s true for every drafted player), but he may also end in a dominant center
"Even when I’m old and grey, I won’t be able to play it, but I’ll still love the game." — Michael Jordan
Go Kings!
by Panzerfaust on May 18, 2010 6:20 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Ziller, you forgot a choice
My second pick would be the hot blonde that keeps showing up on one of the StR ads.
#vfettkefordraft
"The Kings will get a top 3 pick in the 2010 draft. Book it!"
heck no, that would be #1
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
No way
Blondes with big fake boobs are a dime a dozen. John Wall is not
#vfettkefordraft
"The Kings will get a top 3 pick in the 2010 draft. Book it!"
Can I come and hang around you, I've got a pocket full of dimes.
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Cousins
How many threads have discussed how there just aren’t ANY dominant Centers we could trade for and that FA dominant Center is just not a possibility. Are we just going to accept that and keep picking guards? I understand that we get the best players, but dominant Centers are rare or so people keep posting.
Size matters folks and more than just in bed. We need to BEAT LA and they are HUGE. We need to be HUGE or we lose just like OKC did because we don’t have big enough players and can’t match up.
Cousins has been my pick because he offers something we don’t get anywhere else.
Nope
There’s the age old debate about drafting BPA or drafting for need. I’m very much in the camp that you always take BPA. Talent trumps all.
As for the Lakers, it is foolish to try to build this team to rival the Lakers. They will be on the decline as the Kings are on the rise. This team will need to be able to beat Oklahoma City and Portland more than it will need to beat the Lakers.
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I get that...
We still lose the battle of the bigs right now and need a Center. People have argued and made a pretty effective case that we just can’t get that in FA. This really only leaves the draft.
So if you could draft somebody similar to Dwight Howard or Dwayne Wade who would you pick?
Problem is
What if Petrie doesn’t think either Cousins or Favors (or Aldrich, etc.) is all that good?
If the center position is the last piece of the puzzle for Petrie, I don’t really have a problem with that – this is a process, and I think this team needs to keep acquiring the most talented players until the time comes to address specific needs.
I've got squirrels in my pants!
The workout should make it clear
If Cousins or Favors can bring it then that should pretty much answer the question. I would love to see them workout and match up. If Cousins can come in and dominate every other player down low then that should pretty much answer the question.
Talent trumps need
Or do you think the Blazers were correct to pass on Jordan since they already had Drexler?
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We never know how Jordand's career would be
If he would have played behind Drexler.
Ultimately, so many factors after the draft decide whether a draft pick is a good or a bad one.
Dunking Dutchman
Talent trumps need
Or do you think the Blazers were correct to pass on Jordan since they already had Drexler?
If the Blazers had the first pick, i think they would have absolutey been correct to pass on Jordan. I don’t recall there being an injury prone big in this draft (nor the Dream but you get the idea)
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Not saying the number 1 pick
I don’t think anyone could fault Houston for taking Olajuwon.
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yeah i know
i guess it was my way of saying that there are no Sam Bowie’s in this draft (although if you replace “balky knees” with “bit of a head case” then maybe Cousins fits the bill)
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
It was correct IMHO.
Jordan didn’t win a championship until he was 28 and he couldn’t do it without a fantastic supporting cast. At that time I’m not sure there was any evidence that Jordan was better than Clyde, who was already a known quantity.
Taking a big man made a whole lot of sense, just like it does for the Kings. Hindsight is 20-20, so who knows how it will play out. But in the end you do what gives you the best chance to win.
by Nick Van Excellent on May 18, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Huh?
Did you just make an argument that the Blazers were correct in passing on Jordan, and then end that argument by saying “you do what gives you the best chance to win”?
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this is a comment where the shocked banana is very appropriate
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Obviously picking Jordan would have been correct.
I was talking about at the time, not knowing what we know now.
If you already have one all-star SG, you probably don’t want to draft another player who plays the exact same position, especially since that player at the time didn’t even look any better than Drexler. Especially when the team has a GLARING need for a center.
Otherwise every team would just draft the same type of player over and over and over again… like Minnesota. At some point you draft for NEED not TALENT.
It was the wrong move, but the smart move at the time. If that makes sense.
by Nick Van Excellent on May 18, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Umm
That was my exact point. Portland was not better off drafting for need. Not at all. Had they taken the best player available, they would have had Drexler and Jordan. The team would have been better off. Regardless of their need for a center, they should have drafted Jordan. If necessary they could have traded one or the other for a Center.
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That's like saying someone should have bet on a long-shot, because the horse ended up winning.
What they did made a ton of sense at the time and in the end the Blazers traded Bowie for Buck Williams who helped them reach the WCF three times and the NBA finals twice.
Also, Jordan has said he wouldn’t have fit in Portland with Clyde and wouldn’t have become “Jordan” if he hadn’t gone to a team that gave him room to grow, but who really knows.
Clearly this is ONE instance where the team should have taken talent over need, but I’m not sure anyone could have known it at the time.
I guess it all depends on how close you think the Kings are to contending in the West. If they’re one big man away from being a threat then I think you draft for need.
I think they’re pretty darn close.
by Nick Van Excellent on May 18, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone else who gets it.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Before we go any further down the rabbit hole
I don’t think we can say drafting favors over Wall is the equivalent of drafting Sam Bowie over MJ. I’m sorry but Bowie had some pretty alarming injury problems heading into the draft.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
not saying anyone said this but some might think it was implied
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
This is true, although it wasn't that black and white.
Bowie was a 7’1 center who could rebound and block shots. He had an excellent outside shot (three-point range), ran the floor well for a big man, and had an excellent team attitude. Perhaps his most remarkable skill was his passing which was unmatched at the time for a man at his position. The only question mark was Bowie’s leg which had been broken during his career at Kentucky and took a considerable amount of time to rehabilitate. But after he returned for his senior season, it appeared Bowie’s leg had healed and in fact, was stronger than ever.
His leg looked good at the time otherwise they probably would have passed. Also, I’m not sure a healed broken leg is more of a concern than Cousins brain.
by Nick Van Excellent on May 18, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
stronger than ever?
weren’t his numbers down across the board?
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know.
I didn’t watch him in college and I certainly don’t have any first hand knowledge of his leg strength. I’m just going off what I’ve read.
by Nick Van Excellent on May 18, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha!
I was actually thinking of you while I wrote this.
by Nick Van Excellent on May 18, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
That's a scary thought NVE.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Well, you're one of the only posters I know who defends the Harden pick.
There’s not a lot of fans who like the idea of drafting for need.
by Nick Van Excellent on May 18, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
was unaware people were down on the Harden pick
not the biggest fan of harden but makes complete sense why they picked him. The Memphis pick on the other hand …
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
There are a lot of people who are down on that.
Saying OKC should have taken Tyreke Evans.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
well in the next year or two there will be a little less complaining about that one
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I said then
And I still believe they should have taken Rubio. Westbrook could still handle the ball a lot and shoot a lot, Rubio would have been an amazing fit in my opinion.
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Not really.
Harden was the perfect pick. OKC just couldn’t trade down and get the value they wanted for the 3rd pick. So they kept it & took Harden.
Harden wasn’t the sexy pick, or the pick that would have given the fans juice. It was just the right pick, and making the right move isn’t always sexy or obvious at the time.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
What is Harden doing for them that Evans wouldn't?
I mean, they drafted Harden presumably to be the starter, and instead they have started Sefolosha. Don’t you think Evans could do what Sefolosha does only 1000x better?
YOU NEED STARS AND YOU NEED ROLE PLAYERS.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Tyreke Evans can do what Thabo Sefolosha does x1000
His role would have been different on that team, but I don’t see why he couldn’t have been a great defending/opportunistic offensive guy for OKC.
Whatever though. Their loss, our gain.
I don't think Tyreke would have been as successful there
Although obviously yeah it would be pretty sweat to have Tyreke. I just think Harden will end up pretty darn good in his own right.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think he would have won ROY in OKC
But I think they would have been a better team.
Harden will be OK to good, and maybe the right roleplayer for them if he starts shooting better. Don’t think he’s going to be a third star for them though.
You're crazy.
You no longer get to call me crazy after a statement like “Tyreke wins ROTY in OKC”. No he doesn’t.
Tyreke won the ROTY award cuz he got 20-5-5. He isn’t getting that in OKC.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
oh no, pookey is hearing voices again
I don’t think he would have won ROY in OKC
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
it's starting to line up like the lotto numbers ziller gave us yesterday
(and just by chance is about just as confusing)
Coincidence?
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Totally read that wrong nbrans. My bad.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
No worries
This whole thread is impossible to read. And yet way too tempting to continue posting on.
I can read it.
I just read it wrong. LOL
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
well at least they didn't decide to try and draft a player to fit a much needed role
only that player had a history of knee injuries.
Hence my problem with the Bowie pick in the 1984 draft (see how i did that … how i went full circle … neat).
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
The Blazers should have taken Karl Malone too.
Or even Charles Barkley in 1984.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
have you seen that beard?
pretty darn sexy if you ask me.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I try to not thnik about it.
I’m growing my own slice of ugly I’m going to have to shave off here in a few days.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
When you're a team that's bad it doesn't make sense.
When you’re a team with a superstar talent in Durant and a near superstar talent in Westbrook, you need to find players that compliment. You can’t have 5 All-Stars and no role players who help those stars be the stars they are.
Sometimes that gets lost in the mumbo jumbo of drafting BPA.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
well technically
Is Harden really just a compliment? Seems he can be pretty darn good in his own right.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
he can be a star
but one with a defined role. that could be pretty cool.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Harden
I believe he’d be drafted at least 6 spots lower if he didn’t have that amazing beard.
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yeah i think his age and shooting ability helped
but yeah that beard really came in handy
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh I agree with that too.
Harden can be pretty good, but he compliments everything Westbrook does (especially) and Durant somewhat. I don’t think OKC needed to get a HR or triple there. A solid single or stretching it into a double was all they needed to help them.
Harden make take another year to develop, but I can see him being a solid 30-35 MPG rotation guy. That’s a hell of a lot better than anything Adam Morrison has done.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
i'm not old enough to remember that draft first hand
And my only knowledge of it is really from Bill Simmons newer book and a very old SI article about Sam Bowie, both written after the fact.
But the guy missed 2 years of college due to knee injuries. Two years! And after that he came back for his fifth year at Kentucky with around 10 points and 8 rebounds a game.
Not saying they had to draft MJ but there were other big men who to me seemed to be better out of college. Like Barkeley,Perkins, or what’s his name (I forget Bowie’s teammate but I remember there was one who was about as good and a seven footer).
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok
Due to revisionist history, people like to claim that there was no way to know Jordan would be Jordan, and Bowie was a smart pick. But it wasn’t. He had already experienced severe injuries to his shin bone. They reached based on need, ignoring the available talent.
Other examples where teams should have drafted the best player available: Atlanta taking Marvin Williams instead of Chris Paul or Deron Williams. They actually didn’t take BPA or Need, since they already had too many wing players before Childress bolted for Europe.
Last year’s Minnesota fiasco cannot be blamed on taking Talent over Need. Minnesota did a poor job with player evaluations, and should have taken Rubio/Curry, or Rubio/Jennings, or a number of other players instead of Flynn. Flynn will be a nice player, but he shouldn’t have been taken that high. If they had taken Rubio as an asset and brought in Curry or Jennings, nobody would be mocking them.
There are countless examples. Team needs change drastically from season to season. That’s why you always take the best player available.
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The Kings liked Jonny Flynn alot too.
They would have taken him if Reke wasn’t available at 4.
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Flynn and Wesley Johnson
I think both would be 10 spots lower if they didn’t play at Syracuse.
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that was and is still insane to me
I have no idea what all the fuss was about. Just because the guy can smile alot in interviews and be nice doesn’t mean much. I never understood what Johnny Flynn did better than the other PGs.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Quick athletic excellent finisher good at getting to the line
Decent passer and decent boarder for the position. The only problem was his size.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
what about his shooting?
and his decision making?
Although I was and still am a jennings fan, i can understand being scared off by his craziness; however, I never understood what he did better than Curry, Lawson, Holiday or … yup, Eric Maynor. Basically, he felt more like the level of Jeff Teague to me than anybody else.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I think some of it had to do with personality.
Here’s a point you have to consider with Flynn: He went to the wrong team and system. Sometimes that’s all it takes. I’m not sure Tyreke Evans would have been as valuable in Minnesota, and I’m sure Flynn would have been more valuable in Sacramento.
System matters.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
well that question can't be answered for awhile
but yeah i don’t hold out very high hopes for Flynn.
I am curious what would have happened if the TWolves draft day went according to plan where the Kings select Rubio and they get Tyreke and Flynn. Would have been pretty different up north.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh yes.
Very different. Hopefully.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I don't believe that
Anymore than I believe they were going to take Jrue Holliday with the #4 pick.
Personally, I think it was between Evans/Curry/Rubio.
I've got squirrels in my pants!
Well Sam Amick said it.
And there were signs of such.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Wow...that answer surprised me
Howard and a bunch of role players went to the finals last year. Wade and a bunch of role players this year…not so much.
A bunch of role players?
Rashard Lewis, Jameer Nelson and Hedo Turkoglu don’t strike me as “role players”.
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well
Jameer Nelson didn’t play last year, and yes, I call Hedo a role player. I like Rashard a lot actually.
He played the beginning of the season
And, uh, in the playoffs. And in the early season he was good enough to be named an All-Star.
And yeah, Hedo is definitely no good at all. Not like he carried that offense several times in last year’s playoffs…
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Hedo had a great series against the Cavs
similar to Posey for the Celtics the previous year…who I also consider a role player.
I’m not knocking Nelson at all. If he were 4 inches taller, he would be in the discussion for one of the top PGs in the league. But he didn’t play in the playoffs until his cameo in the finals.
My surprise is more about the “hands down” than the choice of Wade over the best big man in the league.
I know I'll take some flak for this
But I think Howard is overrated.
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fair enough
…and that is probably why I was surprised.
I’ll take some flak for this too, but I think Wade is overrated.
You don't watch much of Wade then
Sure he gets a lot of foul calls, but he’s insanely good. When healthy he’s the 2nd best player in the league.
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And on my list he would be down
about the same as Carmello…maybe 6th best.
You've got a weird list
My top 10:
1. LeBron
2. Dwight
3. Wade
4. Kobe
5. Durant
6. Chris Paul
7. Dirk Nowitzki
8. Steve Nash
9. Chris Bosh
10. Tim Duncan
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I take Durant over Wade
you listed the caveat to Wade above: when he’s healthy. He gets banged up quite a bit
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if you would take durant over wade over injury concerns
then you might want to bump deron williams up in the chris paul range
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I am going to assume this is a top 10 players right now at this very moment when healthy
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
No way
How is Wade a better player than Kobe or Lebron?
When he is healthy, he's amazing
Look at what he did in 2006, or what he did in the Olympics. This year he was once again amazing, but didn’t have anything in the way of a supporting cast.
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For sure
Wade is a great, great player. But he’s not as good as Kobe. Before the playoffs, I thought Lebron was #1. Not anymore. I hate Kobe, but he’s hands down the best. He’s a cold hearted killer, and Lebron isn’t.
I would contend
That 2006 Wade was better. Kobe has a better supporting cast. I honestly believe that if he’s healthy, and supporting casts were equal, Wade would emerge as the better player.
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I worry about Wade
In the same way I worry about Tyreke long-term. The abuse they give their bodies by spending so much time around the basket is a recipe for a shortened career – or at the very least, a shortened peak.
But I’m with you…I think when Wade is healthy, he’s right there at the top of the heap. If everyone is healthy, I’d go LeBron/Wade/Kobe/Durant/Paul.
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I'm worried about this with Tyreke as well.
But I think a big way Tyreke can change some of that is to A) get a lot better at his perimeter shooting and B) have a real inside presence to throw the ball to.
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The exact knock
on Wade. He’s been criticized for his jumper since he came out, and HAS to aggresively take it to the rack ever since Shaq left MIA as they’ve had almost 0 inside presence ever since…
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Yup.
But Wade was hurt with Shaq around too.
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Really?
I can’t believe what I’m reading here. Aykis, a writer for this blog, put Dwight Howard (and Wade) above Kobe. Good god.
Tell me one aspect of Wade’s game that is better than Kobe’s. One.
And to answer your question
I think Wade is both a better passer and defender than Kobe right now. He finishes at the rim better, plus he gives maximum effort every night.
Oh, and he’s not a whiny bitch.
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Athleticism, speed and getting to the rack.
Kobe’s a much better shooter and has a MUCH better supporting cast.
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And I don't know how you criticize me
for putting Dwight Howard as the 2nd best player in the league because he is.
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lmao
Not one player in the NBA would put Dwight Howard as the 2nd best. He’s the best defender, yes. Howard has averaged 8 shots per game in the playoffs. 8. He’s a terrible free throw shooter and if he’s not dunking, has no offensive game. Plus, his mental game is weak!
And not one player in the league would say Wade is better than Kobe. Not even close. If Wade is a better defender than Kobe than why has Kobe been on the FIRST all defense team 7 times and Wade not once??
I wouldn't put Howard over Kobe
But I think you are underrating his impact on the defensive side of the court, which is pretty important. And it’s enough to at least make it close IMO.
Not one player in the league would say that Wade is better than Kobe? Are you sure? Did you poll them?
We are talking about Kobe versus Wade today…not at their peaks right? Because I’ll stand by my assertion all day that Wade is a better defender than Kobe right now.
Kobe was a phenomenal perimeter defender for most of his career, but he’s not up to that standard any longer.
You might be well advised to check some advanced statistical data before comparing these two players.
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yes, comparing current talent
First, I’m not underrating Howard. Love his defense, which is very impactful. But he doesn’t have the all around game…yet.
Kobe just made first all defense this year. Wade made second. I guess you should start spitting out those “advanced statistics” for me…
just because you get voted first defense this year does not mean you are better than the guy who was voted second all defense
I’ve used this example and failed before but oh well …
If i were to present a bunny rabbit to a class room and have the class vote on whether it’s male or female, it doesn’t matter how the vote comes out. If the vote is male, that doesn’t mean anything, the rabbit might very well be a female. The only thing that matters is proof of what it actually is and a vote won’t be the proof of it.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Spend some time at Basketball Reference
That will do for a start. Maybe go to Hoopdata.com as well.
I don’t really get too worked up about the NBA’s all-defense teams. It’s no different than Derek Jeter getting a Gold Glove every season IMO (although I don’t see the NBA’s picks as quite as laughable overall).
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If Wade is a better defender than Kobe than why has Kobe been on the FIRST all defense team 7 times and Wade not once
Sorry but that probably is not the best indicator of current defensive skills (let alone for his career). That is just something that is voted on, based on opinions largely based on metrics that really do not properly judge defense.
Plus, his mental game is weak!
This stuff is always fun to me. Throwing out stats to back up an arguement and then using generations here and there. Just curious, can I get an analysis on his weak mental game? I am guessing I will hear about him being weak on the defensive and offensive side of the court.
And not one player in the league would say Wade is better than Kobe. Not even close.
Granted i don’t care much about what one NBA player thinks but didn’t Shaq make reference a few years ago to Wade being better than Kobe? I guess that would be one NBA player.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Generations?
It’s generalizations, and I’m not generalizing.
Watch Howard against physical defenders (eg Perkins). And read his comments (Hoopshype.com is a great source). Howard gets very flustered against physical opponents and admits that it takes him out of his game.
and defensively where is he mentally weak?
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
come on man
I think we all know Howard is a superb defender. Nice try
So he is mentally weak because he struggles against other elite defenders? Even though nobody ever said he was a great offensive player?
Completely confused. So we are basing his mental weakness on the fact that he is an average offensive player who struggles against elite defenses.
I think we all know Howard is not a supurb offensive player.
Nice try.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Why are you arguing this?
If you are an elite player (defensively, offensively) you don’t let opposing players rattle you mentally and take you out of your game. Simple as that. Kobe is the best and there’s nothing a team or player can do to take him out of his zone. What don’t you understand?
maybe you don't know what I am arguing
I am arguing that I don’t understand how Dwight Howard is mentally weak given that he has never been a great offensive player to begin with.
I never Dwight Howard is elite. I just don’t think dominating offensively has ever been apart of his game, nor do I think if someone like Perkins plays him well it means that Dwight Howard was "rattled.
It’s like saying Camby was rattled because he didn’t dominate a game offensively, it makes no sense to me.
I think Kobe is definitely one of the very best, although I don’t think there is “nothing a team or player can do to take him out of the zone.”
Simple as that.
Oh, and lines like “Nice try” and “Simple as that” and “What don’t you understand” also make you sound like you are either a bit hyper reactive or talking down to people.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
In your initial comments about Dwight you said
Not one player in the NBA would put Dwight Howard as the 2nd best. He’s the best defender, yes. Howard has averaged 8 shots per game in the playoffs. 8. He’s a terrible free throw shooter and if he’s not dunking, has no offensive game.
If you left it there i would have been fine with it. But then you threw in the generalization
Plus, his mental game is weak!
Which to me sounds like it’s based on his lack of offense … which you already mentioned. It’s like you double dipped the chip.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
okay i got nothing wrong with your opinion that Kobe is better than Dwight Howard
I do have a bit of a problem when someone comes off the handle off of someone else’s top 10 list.
And yes i would also put Kobe over Dwight Howard and Wade.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
To this point in the playoffs
Dwight Howard has been a beast defensively.
It would be charitable to call Kobe’s defense “fair” so far. The Lakers interior defense has been something special though.
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Really?
I can’t believe, chrysty, a member on this blog, would flip out over the most random stuff.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I can’t believe what I’m reading here. Aykis, a writer for this blog, put Dwight Howard (and Wade) above Kobe. Good god.
I dunno, that seems a bit hyper-reactive to me.
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Yeah
I’m the only person who can call Aykis a Greek douche.
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Howard is a tough cookie to crack
I think he is up there as one of the most effective players in helping make his team good but dear lord he will never have a polished game and will always be a raw athletic player. Really missing me some Yao.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Guy is only 24.
You can’t say he’ll never be polished.
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well i am very suspect of it happening
better?
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
whaaaaat?
similar to Posey for the Celtics the previous year…who I also consider a role player.
Hedo rocked 19.5 points, 5 assists, 5.7 rebounds in in 07-08 and followed that up with a 16.8 points, 4.9 assists, 5.2 rebounds
Posey broke out with a 14.1/3.1/5.8 … in a losing season in Denver … in the 02-03. For his one year in Boston he did break through with a 7.4/1.4/4.3 though, so he had that going for him.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions
haha...I knew that one was going to come back
to bite me as soon as I clicked Post.
I was trying to think of role players that made a name for themselves in the playoffs, and all I could think of was Posey with Miami and then with Boston
well at least he has two rings
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
LA is huge
And they are also talented. Andrew Bynum, Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom have very unique skillsets that aren’t automatically replicated by all seven footers.
You can’t just say “we need size” and pick a big guy that might end up being the next Marcin Gortat and pass up the next Dwyane Wade. If any of these big men in the draft have those skills, then Petrie should jump, but not simply because a guy is allegedly a “traditional center”.
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A dominant C would sure help
I don’t know how far the upside of Cousins goes, but I think it is low to say his ceiling is Gortat. He isn’t just billed as a “traditional center” but a dominant one and that would sure help beat any team with a big C.
Bynum, Gasol, and Odom are very skilled. This is true, but you put a big that can dominate the paint against them and that does limit their abilities. Any team that wants to compete really needs bigs with defensive intensity in the paint.
I think it's low
to imply that having Gortat as ceiling is low. The Polish Hammer rules!
P.S. I think Otis tried to say that if Cousins doesn’t meet expectations, he can still be a servicable C, like Gortat. Nothing low about that.
Dunking Dutchman
I've realized I don't care who we draft, as long as his las name doesn't end with "s."
People referencing “Tyreke Evan’s” and “the Maloof’s” are damn near driving me nuts.
I’d like Turner with the 2 pick, but it’s be too confusing with people discussing "Evan’s game and Evan’s (I mean Evans’).
This is pretty much all I’m worried about. “Cousin’s or Favor’s?” I CAN’T DO IT.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on May 18, 2010 6:54 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
But Maloof's would be correct
If referring to something such as “Gavin Maloof’s involvement”, but not when referring to the Maloofs in general.
It’s too early for english.
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11 votes for Aldrich?
I think those came from Xinyue46589 through Xinyue 46599.
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Doubt if 11 different people voted for him. Could very well be Xinyue having some fun.
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Is Alrich really that different than Hawes?
by mike murray on May 18, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
In some areas
He’s a much better rebounding and defensive big than Hawes right out of the gate, but he doesn’t have the offensive skill set that Hawes does (Cole’s more of a cleanup man.) If you could roll them into one player, you’d have a hell of a center…
"he looks like he is going to take a bite out of a huge invisible sandwich..." - wallywagon11
But
Do you not think Hawes would have put up the same defensive stats (and rebounding) had he stayed in college for the 3 years like Aldrich? I think Hawes would have been a top 5 blocks and rebound guy in college this past year, and would have been ranked higher than Aldrich on draft boards.
So would you spend the 2nd overall pick in the draft, for on a center who probably is not as good of a player as Hawes?
by mike murray on May 18, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
i don't think Sacto_J made that arguement
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Im actually in agreement with Sacto_J
What Im saying is that it would be hard to compare Hawes and Aldrich in this context. Im saying even if he is better defensively than Hawes (and that is not due to skill, but effort), the difference is small if any.
yeah i was just responding to your last sentence
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Look at the only fair comparison
Hawes (7’1", 244) Freshman Stats: 14.9ppg, 6.4rpg, 1/7blkpg
Aldrich: (6’11. 250) Freshman Stats: 2.8ppg, 3rpb, .9 blkpg
I understand that Aldrich has vastly improved, but I think Hawes has as well . I am just saying that the difference is just not that much (if any).
Hardly a fair comparison
Considering Hawes averaged almost 29 minutes per game, while Aldrich averaged just over 8.
And that shouldn’t be an indictment of Aldrich’s ability, considering the colleges involved. If Aldrich had signed on at UofW, I’d guess he’d have had substantially more minutes than at Kansas.
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I was going to put that as a disclaimer
But couldnt find any other comparable stats at the same level of competition (at the same age).
what might actually be fairly comparible is to throw up Aldrich's second year stats
only one year difference. i am assuming he played around 25 that year
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
The point is
If that was Hawes as a Freshman, I bet he would have better if not similiar stats to Aldrich this previous season if he had stayed 3 years as Aldrich had.
Not having seen a lot of Aldrich
I’ll have to defer to the more college basketball savvy posters here – but I don’t like to get too caught up in most college statistical measures as arbiters of NBA readiness. To start with, there are obviously huge differences in the level of competition from night to night.
From what I’ve read (could be a bunch of hooey), Aldrich is a different type of player than Hawes, and his skillset coming out of college might translate better on the NBA floor than what we’ve seen of Hawes to this point.
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Im not denying that Aldrich could be a good player
But I just don’t see the huge upgrade at the center position at this time from Aldrich to Hawes that you would expect from a top 6 pick. (Especially when it would give us 4 young bigs).
Yeah, I'm not on the Aldrich bandwagon myself
I’m just commenting on the idea of comparing college stats between these two guys – it seems they would be pretty irrelevant.
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My response
should have illustrated the differences between Hawes and Aldrich, and personally don’t think the Kings should have any interest in Aldrich at all, especially with the 2nd pick. That’s just stupid…
And no, I don’t think Hawes would have put up those types of numbers had he stayed in college. I don’t have much to back that up with other than I just don’t think the kid is hungry enough…
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Cousins - He may possibly be the best possible player and he would be great to add to the frontcourt.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
by Slam_Dunk on May 18, 2010 7:12 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The only bad thing about Turner is...
he was a Buckeye. But I can overlook such things if he were to Shoot Lights Out. I would enjoy seeing a SG that can fill it up, as well, and Drive and Dish….
Basically, The Team has One Superstar… and I am using the Definition: Superstar = Command a Double Team.
I cannot predict if Turner is this guy… but if someone can form a dynamic backcourt. its this Guy!
Turner again
I think he’s BPA and gonna win RoY.
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yeah i don't know why you think that
clearly you haven’t realized Kahn’s great “Only PF and only PG” plan
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Cousins
Really don’t see what the big deal is with Evan Turner. I think he’ll be fine, but I don’t see how he has the athleticism to be a star.
i was in spokane during Morrison's last year at Gonzaga (was actually his neighbor for 2 months)
and i never understood how underrated Brandon Roy was up there in Washington. All I heard about was Morrison, and that includes when I visited Seattle. It was really really weird. I know Roy had the injury history but it seemed pretty clear that he was the better player (if healthy but still, i never understood the lack of hype he got).
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I think people may be overcompensating
for the fact that they overlooked Roy. No one wants to make that mistake again
I can see that
but his athleticism and game do seem to be similar to Roy’s, whether or not Roy was undervalued at draft time.
I’m not familiar enough to say that one is more athletic than the other, overall. Turner seems a little quicker, and maybe Roy a little stronger. Leaping seems about equal…
Disagree about Turner being quicker and leaping the same
I don’t think people give Roy enough credit for his athleticism. He’s a very good athlete. Turner is average at best.
Look at #5 on this countdown (0:55)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upld8ZTmx0s
Do you think Turner could do that?
I voted Turner, but I almost voted Cousins
Maybe Turner is more of a sure thing and Cousins more of a gamble, but this is sports, dammit, you don’t win unless you gamble!
But then I got scared and voted for Turner anyways.
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by AnotherStupidSN on May 18, 2010 9:10 AM PDT reply actions
Yeah, this is why I suck at gambling
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by AnotherStupidSN on May 18, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's tip I learned from Mr. Wesley Snipes
Always bet on black
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
and pay your frickin taxes
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel like the only idiot who has a man crush on favors
but i like him
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the #3 pick is going to be a frickin battle
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn't see much of Turner.
Can someone link me a Youtube highlight reel? Preferably showing mostly dunks over highschool kids and, if possible, set to rap music?
Seriously though – if someone has any interesting clips of him I’d be curious.
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by Jaycee on May 18, 2010 9:42 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Favors by a couple hairs over Cousins
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Please draft a frontcourt player
In a draft loaded with frontcourt talent, it would be a tragedy for the Kings to come away with a guard (unless it’s Wall). That would be a very Knicks-onian move.
Knicks-onion move?
as in, last year the draft was loaded with backcourt talent and they came away drafting a forward? Only in opposite land?
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes
Knicks-onian, play on words of “Nixonian”. Hehe, nevermind.
Yes! Desperate for a point guard, in a draft loaded with point guards, the Kincks draft Jordan Hill, passing on players such as Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, Jeff Teague, and Eric Maynor! Riducule ensues. Nobody is suprised, it’s the Knicks.
This CAN’T happen to us!
by henryclemente on May 18, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Cousins
A couple of folks have already stated that worst case scenario you end up with a Gortat or Z-Bo type big, best case scenario he ends up being Dwight Howard light. The head case issue may have some validity, but until the player is on board and gotten some experience under his belt you just never know. Ron Ron was supposed to be a head case, but I thouhgt he spent most of his time in Sacto pretty well, and the reputation kinda served him well on the court. The Kings are light up front and I think this guy could take Spencer’s starting job immediately and upgrade the center production, create competition to light a fire under Spence’s ass, a bit of a side bonus. The Kings play hard, but they don’t bang. Add Cousins with Landry and you’ve got a real nice 1-2 punch in the front court, with JT and Spence coming off the bench. Add a Chapu trade for a decent wing / SG (Rudy Gay, maybe) and the Kings could make a nice run sooner than later….
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I don't understand the Dwight Howard hope from Cousins
The guy is no where near as athletic, only dominated college by being bigger than the competition, and doesn’t have the right attitude IMO. If you want a Howard type, why not take the athletic freak in Favors, who is only like an inch smaller than Cousins?
My vote remains for turner, but to take Derrick Coleman light with the 2nd pick would be a huge mistake.
by mike murray on May 18, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
The reason I want a Howard type
Is because Hawes isn’t getting it done, and JT’s best position is PF. You’re probably right that Howard might be a bad comparison because from what I’ve read, Cousins has got WAY more offensive skills than Howard already. However, I don’t recall Coleman being 6’11" at 19, and can you tell me what the hell would be wrong with drafting a Derrick Coleman? I guess Cousins’ potential more accurately would be a tall ass Al Jefferson, which I would think completely solidifies our front court for the next few years. I don’t get the hype on Turner. I’m not saying he isn’t good, but we’re loaded with mid-level wing men, is he THAT much better than what we already have? I’m not sure, but Cousins is an absolute upgrade. And I didn’t pick Favors because we already have the PF position solid, we don’t need an undersized C…
"he looks like he is going to take a bite out of a huge invisible sandwich..." - wallywagon11
i think the comparison to Derrick Coleman is often used (instead of players like Al Jefferson) because of the off the court stuff
Coleman was a drunk and is now broke (so might have had other problems as well) and was known as a malcontent with an attitude and weight problem. I believe alot of people have similar concerns with Cousins (at least with the weight and attitude part).
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Al Jefferson 1.3 blks per game last season.
How does that help us?
What I am saying is...
If we want a big athletic type player (ala Howard), then Favors is the choice.
Seems to me
After a bit of reading up on them, that the main differences between Favors and Cousins are as follows –
Favors, whlie a bit shorter, is the more natural athlete who will consistently bring the hustle element. His offensive game may not be NBA quality material (not polished in the post and suspect mid-range game,) but his defense most certainly is. with excellent positioning, footwork and hands and a good nose for blocking shots.
Cousins is the bigger, somewhat less athletic of the two who brings hustle when he feels like it. His offensive game is NBA ready right now, with a nice touch around the basket, decent mid-range shot and decent handles for a big. Defensively, he’s not as polished as favors, but displays a quality presence when motivated. Average footwork, not quite as good lateral movement, but also a natural shot blocker.
Summary – While I was originally not as high on Favors, it seems as though he’s very good on the side of the floor we need the most help in – Defense. Had I read this before, I might have been more inclined to vote for him, but still I think Cousins potential coupled with the right motivation will equate to this kid being a beast that we would be remisc to pass up on, while Favors is the more sure thing in terms of defensive consistency, we’d just have to hope he can learn how to put the ball in the basket more efficiently. Talk about a tough choice, I’d be excited either way…
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Good post
Thats why anything less than a top 4 pick would be heartbreaking.
It's not heartbreaking.
You’ll get over it. Just not today.
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And are you suggesting
that Turner is 6’10"? Cuz I’m pretty sure dude’s 6’7" at best. Insert confusion here….
"he looks like he is going to take a bite out of a huge invisible sandwich..." - wallywagon11
he was referring to favors
and Cousins is often listend between 6’9’’’ and 6’10’’ whereas Favors is around 6’9’’ to 6’10’’. And Favors game is much more like Dwight Howard’s game, although about an inch shorter than Dwight Howard.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks Wally
I realized that after I posted, but don’t see the “athletic freak” point he’s trying to make. MM’s been bashing everything I’ve posted so far, seemingly without really grasping the points I’m trying to make. I happen to think the rap on Cousins isn’t really justified, but everyone’s entitled to their opinion, like when I say Cousins’ potential seems much higher than Favors, though because we have limited body of evidence to pull from its all speculative BS….
"he looks like he is going to take a bite out of a huge invisible sandwich..." - wallywagon11
Sorry man
Not trying to bash you, but what sounds like the player you want is Favors. He is more comparable to Howard physically than Cousins. I bet the combine results show this, as Cousins will have a much higher body fat, lower verticle, slower, etc. than Favors.
Based on physical potential (by the numbers and not opinion), Favors is much higher than cousins.
Favors: 6’10" /246
Howard: 6’11"/ 265
Cousin: 6’11"/ 270
All similar size but athletically Favors and Howard are miles ahead of Cousins.
BTW: You mentioned a Jefferson/Cousins comparison….Al Jefferson had 1.3 blks per game last season, probably not the ideal hopeful comparison for a team in desperate need for a shot blocker.
(MY VOTE IS STILL FOR EVANS)
Hahahahah I wrote Evans
I meant Evan Turner.
Did you just use Ron Ron as an example of someone who was able to show that the they were better than their reputation indicated?
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep
Disgusting isn’t it. I’m not even ashamed, as he was better than the reputation that preceded him. Sure, he was a head case, and he wasn’t my favorite guy while he was here, but I thought the opportunity to make an even bigger ass of himself was there for him and he actually did a decent job getting involved in the community and seemed genuinely proud to be a King. Glad he moved on (it was clearly time,) but didn’t have a problem with his behavior or effort as a King. And the alleged frying pan incident was great….
"he looks like he is going to take a bite out of a huge invisible sandwich..." - wallywagon11
Sure, he was a head case, and he wasn’t my favorite guy while he was here, but I thought the opportunity to make an even bigger ass of himself was there for him and he actually did a decent job getting involved in the community and seemed genuinely proud to be a King. Glad he moved on (it was clearly time,) but didn’t have a problem with his behavior or effort as a King
The only thing is, i don’t want to have to utter these two sentences about Collins in two years as we trade him for two mid first round draft picks. I also don’t want to the Kings sign him to an $80 million extension and then read about how he punched a stripper in the face and is coming out with a rap album.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I voted Aminu.
I know I’m a pisser. Fuck off.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
such a rebel
Your like Jessie Spano’s devious stepbrother Eric. Probably wearing a leather jacket locked in Pink Floyd poster covered your room listening to rock music crying because your parents just don’t understand.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
wow i botched that retrie
Your like Jessie Spano’s devious stepbrother Eric. Probably wearing a leather jacket locked in your Pink Floyd poster covered room listening to rock music crying because your parents just don’t understand.
Usually when you explain a joke or clarify it, probably not the best thing in the world.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah.
I listen to the Ohio Players wearing spandex.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Turner
But the burning question is, do that many people really like Aldrich, or is he just the “pudding” choice?
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
technically
It might be some round about logic. As in “Spencer sucks so we really need a center, Favors is too short and Cousins is a head case so we need Aldrich.”
Not saying it is a sound thought process but I have heard quite alot of noise all year about how we need to stop being soft, and be tough, rebound, and efend (I think someone once actually said we needed a big with “stone hands” like that is a good thing).
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I hear you
And I could see this at 5 or 6. That is, I might not agree with it, but I could understand it. But Aldrich at #2? Color me surprised.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
same
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
It seems that someone is pulling our collective legs
by voting for Aldrich.
Is chapu4u living up to his role as troll?
Dunking Dutchman
I agree, section
Aldrich at 6 wouldn’t be the worst thing, but Aldrich at 2 absolutely would be the WPS (Worst Possible Scenario…)
"he looks like he is going to take a bite out of a huge invisible sandwich..." - wallywagon11
cole aldrich has the lead right now?
glad you guys arent the Kings GM..
"I have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot...and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why... I succeed." Michael Jordan.
Somethings seems to be amiss here.
What is happening to your poll.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I think we have an infestation
seeing as how Cole Aldrich is in 2nd place when nobody is saying they are voting for him and he wasn’t even in 4th yesterday.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware
Unless I vote for Cole Aldrich
by nbrans on May 18, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
i was shocked the other day to see him make a pooh bear on one of his adds
Xinyue is evolving. Sarah Conner was right all along!
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Also look how huge the jump for 6th was in the Test your luck thread
From 5% early to 14% now.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Something is indeed - WACKED
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on May 19, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Can we assume that Turner won?
I’m looking forward to see opinions on #3 through #7
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