The Problems With Ekpe Udoh
I see several fans jumping aboard the Ekpe Udoh bandwagon as the Kings' superdupersleeper pick. It's quite clever, and I don't mean that in a dismissive or condescending way. Clearly, multiple fans think Udoh could be in play at No. 5, despite his status as a low lottery prospect on most boards. This, to me, indicates that several fans find this to be a keen idea.
I'm not on board.
Problem #1: No one ever spells his name right. It's Ekpe, not Epke and certainly not Eppie's.
Problem #2: He's not a defensive rebounder. Udoh rebounded 17.9 percent of defensive opportunities, per KenPom.com. Baylor was 169th in the nation in defensive rebounding, so there were certainly available opportunities Udoh nor a teammate grabbed. (I mention that because if a player has mediocre rebound rates but the team ranks highly, there could be an issue of a teammate or two deflating said player's rebound totals.) Just about every big man pegged for the first round outrebounded Udoh on defense. A number of small forwards did, as well. It's not just that this team needs defensive rebounding. It's that the team can't really afford to add a player to the frontcourt rotation who cannot rebound on defense effectively.
Problem #3: His offense is suspect. If he were an all-world defender in the making -- he can block shots extremely well, but again, he's not a strong defensive rebounder -- you can work on that. See: Derrick Favors. But Udoh had poor efficiency numbers at Baylor, despite not shooting nearly as much as other big man prospects. Favors is considered to be extremely raw on offense. Yet he shot about as frequently as Udoh at a much higher efficiency with more less talented guards setting him up. I know this isn't a choice between Favors and Udoh. But listen to what they say about Favors, and understand he's more developed on offense than Udoh, while also being bigger, a better rebounder and potentially a better defender.
Problem #4: Udoh's best skill is shotblocking, something the Kings could certainly. His second best skill is offensive rebounding. Udoh is unlikely to be much better than Jason Thompson at the pro level in that category (and probably not as good as likely returnee Jon Brockman). Other than that, Udoh isn't or doesn't project to be much better than any current Kings big man in any category. He can shoot from the mid-range, but so can Thompson and Carl Landry. He can play in the post, but so can Landry. He can pass, but so can Spencer Hawes.
Udoh needs to be a plus-plus-defender to justify the No. 5 spot, and I have trouble figuring out how you determine that in the workout process with one real season of college ball to look at.
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This!
Vote NO on Udoh!
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
by Shizzo on May 19, 2010 1:12 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I really like Udoh, but not at 5.
If the Kings were to obtain a second 1st round pick then I would be on the bandwagon. Udoh blocks shots and he isn’t completely inept like a singularly faceted player like Sene. I could see Udoh performing close to a Samuel Dalembert rate- not the defensive rebounder but a solid rotational big if the price was right. I guess I’m saying a more productive Taj Gibson.
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That's where I'm at.
I think he’s going to be very good in time, and if I had a second pick in the top 10, I’d take a flier on him. But not at the 5-spot.
I still think he’s going to end up with a game similar to KG’s, in terms of the different way he makes his team better.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
I'm higher on Ekpe/Epke/Eppie than Ziller
I actually think he has pretty good offensive skill. He’s a good shooter out to 15-20 feet, and while this does not make for the most efficient of offense, I’d rank his offensive ability on par with Jason Thompson’s. What Udoh is not is a particularly good shot creator, but that’s not the same thing as being unskilled. He’s also a good passer, so I could see him being deadly out of the high post, either passing down low or hitting 15 footers.
Rebounding, however, is definitely a concern. He’s not very strong and until he does he’s probably not going to be much of a rebounder in the NBA. If you want a rebounder he’s not your guy.
All the same, I think when you combine his athleticism and shotblocking with his shooting/passing, I think you’re still looking at a pretty good offense/defense combo with room to get better.
I don’t know if, at the end of the day, when you add up the pluses and minuses that translates to a worthy #5 pick, but I wouldn’t be angry. The truth is, at #5 we’re not going to get someone without question marks. Monroe is soft, Cousins has supposed maturity issues, Aminu is raw, Johnson may be redundant, etc. etc. etc. I think it’s reasonable that Udoh is in the mix.
Udoh had a very good tournament on a Baylor team that was much much deeper than people think.
He’s mostly wishcasting at this point. As are the other top 5, really. Almost all freshmen…
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
Interesting stuff, Ziller
I have no personal accounting of any of these guys (I watch no college ball), so I’m easily swayed back and forth on all of these guys by everyone here that knows considerably more about these prospects than I do. So far today I’ve been pining for at least 6 different guys to take at #5. I’m starting to get a little dizzy.
Also, it seems a bit like your case against Udoh makes a case for Aldrich (defensive rebounding, offensive efficiency). Maybe not, but I guess I’m reiterating nbrans’ point that with all the guys that seem to be in our range right now, there are at least as many “minuses” or “question marks” as there are things to be excited about. So, I assume you’re working on the other 10 articles like this for all the other guys?
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by AnotherStupidSN on May 19, 2010 2:16 PM PDT reply actions
Take Aminu with #5 and Varnado with your 2nd rounder
Then you get the best of everything. Varnado is one of the NCAA’s best shot blockers all time, and he’ll come cheap.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
Aminu
I don’t think Aminu is enough of an upgrade over what we have, we’re loaded with mid-level talent wingmen already. I think Johnson would be the better choice if he were available and Cousins was off the board…
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I was assuming no Cousins around at #5, but yes, if he's there you take him.
I can see Johnson as well.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
Actually
There’s a pretty good chance Cousins could fall past 4 with Minny having Love, Jefferson and Darko in the front court. And with their lack of an outside threat there’s a good chance they could make a dig at Johnson. At least that’s a common theory out there right now…
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Cousins will not fall past Minn
They were starting Darko last year. They would take Cousins and start him right away.
If the Lakers were on channel 5 and there were a bunch of frogs making love on channel 6, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy!
They started Darko over Kevin Love
Cousins is essentially Al Jeff 2.0. If the Wolves get Cousins, they’ll have to figure a way to trade one or two of Cousins, Love, and Jefferson, because their skills are so similar.
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Demarcus Cousins
I agree that there will be a log jam if the wolves draft cousins, but I dont think Khan will pass on him. I could see Jefferson and his contract being shopped before and after the draft.
If the Lakers were on channel 5 and there were a bunch of frogs making love on channel 6, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy!
I like this way of thinking
But Im happy with Johnson or Aminu at 5, then Varnando in the 2nd round
REALLY?
Like I'm gonna change my signature
C MON!
If Cousins is available
It would be foolish not to draft him. Maybe at 2 or 3 you’re taking a gamble, but at 5 he would be a steal, and then you’ve addressed “that guy that can dunk hard from 5-8 feet” position. Ekpe will be a decent player, but there’s a couple of other cats I would draft at 5 over him, starting with Wes Johnson, Greg Monroe, and so on…
"he looks like he is going to take a bite out of a huge invisible sandwich..." - wallywagon11
Problem #4: Udoh’s best skill is shotblocking, something the Kings could certainly. His second best skill is offensive rebounding. Udoh is unlikely to be much better than Jason Thompson at the pro level in that category (and probably not as good as likely returnee Jon Brockman). Other than that, Udoh isn’t or doesn’t project to be much better than any current Kings big man in any category. He can shoot from the mid-range, but so can Thompson and Carl Landry. He can play in the post, but so can Landry. He can pass, but so can Spencer Hawes.
I mostly have a problem with this quote in terms of it actually being a problem. Our current bigs are all a collection of talents with one gaping flaw. If Udoh can play in the post like Landry, pass like Hawes, rebound offensively like Thompson, plus block shots then I think he’s easily worth that 5th pick. He just won’t be the second option on a championship team, probably third option at best. But taking a collection of talents that our bigs already possess and putting them into one package isn’t a problem, its a plus.
what I was thinking
This argument is a bit overdone. What it translates to is: Udoh would be Landry but also with shotblocking, Brockman-like offensive rebounding and better passing. Not bad.
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all I saw was shot blocking
the rest of the arguments might have been good against him, but he can block shots and dunk. block shots and dunk.
Still waiting for the Euler of basketball to play for the Kings
I'm glad you went the Eppie's route
and not Sambo’s. 
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
is that really the name of that place?
really?
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on May 19, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
no i have not
and i have a feeling i would suffer a little culture shock
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on May 19, 2010 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions
interesting NBA tie in
The name was a contraction of the two original owners (SAM Battistone and N BOhart) but even after changes in names in the 70s and 80’s the chain closed.
Battistone used some of his fortune (Sambo’s had 1200 restaurants at one time) to become the original owner of the New Orleans Jazz. As he became bankrupt he sold the team after moving it to SLC.(and that is why you have Jazz in Utah).
by betweentheeyes on May 19, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you Z for this
If the Kings draft Udoh then we can look forward to getting screwed again next year in the lottery. He is no better than any big we have & probably won’t ever be an upgrade.
This guy has Saer Sene written all over him. People are so enamored with shot blocking. I just don’t understand it. To me shot blocking is like steals. You wouldn’t draft a point gaurd who can’t handle the ball, can’t pass, can’t shoot but averaged 3-4 steals a game.
When we had Brad Miller & Mike Bibby on our team it made me & everyone else sick to see Nash & Parker skipping to the basket uncontested. Even JJ Barea & Travis Diener were tearing us up. I understood the thirst for a shot blocker then but I didn’t see too much of that last year.
Our main problem last year was rebounding from 2 of our 3 bigs( Hawes & Landry) & low post defense. Getting backed down in the paint, outskilled, or outworked. Do you see Udoh being able to defend Gasol or Bynum? Who cares if he can block a shot or 2 from the gaurds if he is getting abused by the bigs.
I’m not endorsing Aldrich but he is far better than Udoh. He is a guy who blocks shots, rebounds, throws down dunks, & can probably defend any big man in the NBA. If that’s what you are looking for then he is the BPA at the center position. He would be the best center on this team immediately.
I love beating dead horses.
These are my issue's with Udoh as well TZ.
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Honestly...
And this is entirely personal and premature, but my feeling is that if Johnson proves in workouts that he’s a capable shooter I don’t see any real way Petrie passes on him with that 5th pick assuming Cousins is gone. And if Cousins isn’t gone Johnson probably already is. Carrill has previously mused on the team’s need for stronger outside shooting and while, yes, Johnson does a lot of what Greene and Casspi can/will do I feel the only player Johnson legitimately makes expendable is Garcia, and Garcia was expendable anyway.
Understand issues with Johnson’s age and agree with the redundancy criticism. But, and again this is predicated on the fact that his athleticism and shooting stroke is legitimate, I think he does fulfill needs currently outstanding for the Kings.
I think Johnson can play the 2 anyway.
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He can
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by CaliforniaJag on May 21, 2010 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Mushroom Mushroom?
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
You should read Pookey's blog then.
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Weird
This comment was meant as a reply to getPGwithbounce in reference to Wes v. Al-Farouq post.
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Haven't posted that yet.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I swear I could've read an Aminu post.
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I've mentioned him.
But haven’t wrote one up.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Is it too early to stump for Al-Farouq Aminu and Jerome Randle on here?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Udon Udrih Udoka or a Johnos that can stroke it from outside
That is why I am convinece that the Kings go Monroe if Cousins has been taken, or even if he is.
A lot of these questions may be answered in the upcoming edition of CenterPalooza starring Cousins, Monroe, Udoh, Davis and Aldrich, maybe throw in Whiteside for a great 3 on 3.
I am the world's worst editor.
Back to using MS Word.
by betweentheeyes on May 19, 2010 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
wow, that stuff is embarrassing - I will try again
Udon Udrih Udoka or a Johnson that can stroke it from outside
That is why I am convinced that the Kings go Monroe if Cousins has been taken, or even if he (Cousins) is available.
A lot of these questions may be answered in the upcoming edition of CenterPalooza starring Cousins, Monroe, Udoh, Davis and Aldrich, maybe throw in Whiteside for a great 3 on 3. Let the good times roll.
by betweentheeyes on May 19, 2010 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Any truth to Voison claiming the Kings are leaning away from Cousins?
She said it was due, in part, to not wanting another bellow the rim player. Also mentioned the Kings like Udoh, but only if the were to trade down. Any of this accurate?
Have you ever bought a car. Never ask about the one you want first.
It lets everyone know which one you have your heart set on, and then forget about getting a deal. I doubt that anyone on GP’s staff is feeding anyone inside info this early in the process.
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Or ever.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Good point
Never ask about the one you want first.
Everyone knows that, but GP is far ahead of the field, of course. So he will ask about the one he wants first, in order to confuse the others. But some will be on to him, so they’ll know he asked about it because he is actually interested. Of course, GP knows they’re on to him, and that’s why he asked in the first place.
And then David Khan of the Twolves will switch the one he asked about with another. And GP will drink from the wrong goblet, and Khan will shout: Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders – The most famous of which is “never get involved in a land war in Asia” – but only slightly less well-known is this: “Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line”!
GP is like Vizinni, from the Princess Bride. No wait, he’s the Man in Black. I’m confused now.
Isn’t overanalyzing fun?
Dunking Dutchman
You keep using that word. I'm not sure it's what you think it means.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Look it's the man in black!
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I read Man in Black
and thought of LOST.
by maloof-fool-am on May 20, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
This is what Monk is referring to.
As far as what she said, it’s not likely. For a team to actually take Nocioni (which is what she propose the Kings do), a team would have to take all of Noc’s salary. That’s not very likely if the Kings were to go from 5 to 8.
As far as not wanting a below the rim player, I believe that’s accurate. And, that’s one reason I think they are leaning towards Aminu by the time it’s all said & done.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
What is an above the rim player? Assuming that's the opposite of below the rim player.
Is Evans a below the rim player?
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Wes Johnson is an "above the rim" player
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by CaliforniaJag on May 21, 2010 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Too Ugly
He is too ugly to draft in the top 5. Also, his talent level is too low. It would be witness does to this fella’s name tho…
Wow, racist and functionally retarded. The ladies must be fighting over you.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on May 20, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL Sims
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