A Quick Poll on Gilbert Arenas

No.

Is it that he’s injury prone?
Crazy?
I think if he could stay healthy, him and Reke could make a potent backcourt.

All run the offense through themselves so…me thinks it won’t work. Unless we do a three-way trade with another team and we get a C/PF in return.

then we move Brand over to Washington for Zero and the #1 pick.

Then we trade Zero and the #1 to NJ for the #3 and expirings.

Using the 2, 3 and 5 we draft Turner, Favors and Johnson.

Just checked Basketball Reference – 47 games in the last 3 seasons.

Initially, I voted “yes”, but it was a very guarded “yes”. Then I checked the actual salaries involved. Now I agree with Aykis. Hell, you could throw Beno’s contract in there with Cisco and Noc and it still wouldn’t be worth it.

At that point you’re just swapping the salary of two guys (Noc and Garcia) who have little to no place on the team as it’s currently constructed, and Arenas plays the Beno role.

Don’t see how there’s a huge amount of downside to that. If Arenas gets back to being the player he could be, great. If not, oh well, that salary is just lumped into one player rather than three.

No problem trading Noc and Garcia.

Slot him as the SG alongside Wall. If this project works, great. If it doesn’t work, trade him to HOU.

nbrans has some points about how Gil could basically do what Beno does and work well with Reke. Obviously he’s better than Beno. The problem I have is that Gil has 4 more years and about $80 mil left on that contract. Noc has 2 years and $12 million assuming the Kings waive his team option in the final year. Cisco has 3 years and $17 million if the Kings waive his team option in the 4th year. So as a whole, Cisco and Noc are cheaper and would both be off the books before Gil would be.

since Gil would basically be doing the same thing Beno is, regardless of whether or not Beno is involved in the trade.

Gil – 2005-06
29.3ppg – 6.0 apg – 3.5rpg – 44.7% FG%
2010-11 salary: $17,730,693

Beno – 2009-10
12.9ppg – 4.7 apg – 2.8rpg – 49% FG%
2010-11 salary: $6,478,600

Obviously Gil’s stats, which are from four years ago before the injuries and stupidity, are way better than Beno’s. However, Gil makes 2.7 times more next year than Beno. Is Gilbert 2.7 times more valuable than Beno? Not at all

Naw man. Shit, naw man. I believe you’d get your ass kicked saying something like that.

Seriously, isn’t his contract through 2014? Are we trying to make up for the positives we got out of the Webber trade? Someone please tell me how this trade would be good at all for us.

As much as I am not a fan of Noc, it would take four awful contracts to consider Arenas’ all-time awful contract.

$80 million (Arenas) vs. $38 million (Noc & Garcia).

That is all.

If they wanted to clear cap space, i MIGHT consider taking brand’s stupid contract for their top pick.

For financial reasons above, but also basketball reasons. Garcia I see playing an important role on this team next year. Nocioni, I still think we can drop for expirings, or something almost as good (like Gadz/Bell from the Bucks).

If, as I’ve heard somewhere, the Wiz end up getting Arenas’ contract restructured then I think this would be a no-brainer, especially if it has no effect on this year’s draft…

80 million and the history of knee surgery suggest that he’s Washington risk they can take (and afford with Wall most likely to be around) and deal with.

What I’m sure of is they won’t trade Arenas just to trade him. They probably want something back of value, and I’m not sure Noc/Cisco does it for the Wiz.

Instead lets get neither. Instead we will pull out a barrel, fill it with millions of dollars, poor gasoline, and light that sucker on fire.

The warmth from the fire alone would be worth more than having either player on our roster.

A “no” if we’re forced to keep him. The reason we can re-trade is that we use our capspace to be an effective middle man.

is the fact that he won’t be able to cooperate with Tyreke. If someone convinces me these two can coexist, I’d LOVE to see him around here. (I’d give Donte too)

The Kings have smaller pieces to break off and trade little by little to create cap room.

But what team in their right mind would be willing to take Gilbert Arenas’ contract in a couple years when the Kings are hurting for cap space with JT, Greene, Evans and others coming up for extensions, and the Kings getting into contention? No one.

Which then would bring us back to the question of which team in their right mind would trade 2 or 3 smaller pieces for Gilbert Arenas’ albatross of a contract? No one. So why should the Kings do it?

He has been considerably worse since his 16 knee surgeries in the last 4 weeks. I mean, did anyone here actually watch the game in december where Tyreke owend Arenas the whole game? Or was everyone too drunk?

Making a trade like this is just so…wrong. You don’t trade a bunch of bad contracts for a ridiculous, franchise sinking contract. This is a MAX contract people. You know, Lebron Money. Wade Money. Kobe Money. Some people here wouldn’t give Amare the MAX, but you would trade for Arenas? Really? Come on.

This goes against everyhting the kings are trying to build. To get Arenas would limit our flexibility for 4 years with a ball dominating scorer on the downswing of his carreer. Oh yeah, and remember the fact that he doesn’t play defense? There is not 1 good think about this senario. So please, just stop.

1) Are Nocioni & Garcia ever going to be important cogs in the future of the franchise?

2) Do we have a realistic chance of straight out signing a big-name free agent?

3) Is Arenas so utterly damaged that there is no chance of him playing at a high level ever again?

I would suggest

Not a chance
Highly unlikely
I don’t think so

Webber’s a head case, Artest is a head case, blah blah blah. I don’t think Arenas is stupid, although he did something really stupid. No one got hurt, and I’d rather have talent than guys with clean criminal records like Nocioni & Garcia, who add nothing long-term.

“He’s a great teammate!”

If he’s so great, why didn’t he make the All-NBA Great Teammate squad?

Not to mention fan backlash for signing an egotistical and attention hungry "star".

And LeBron James isn’t?

if Arenas’ contract wasn’t longer

I had a student at the door & was in a hurry & voted yes, since I assumed this was a straight ‘malcontent for crazy’ trade & hadn’t thought it out…

But with the long-term salary of Arenas, Garcia & malcontent for crazy I wanna vote ….

HELL NO!!!!

Arenas is a shooter.

The problem is, this shooter points a friggin’ gun at the head of his teammate! And people shrug it off and then salivate over his talent?

You bring a shooter like Arenas to a young team, you’re shooting yourself in the foot.

No way.

I’m actually kind of surprised how close the vote is on this.

If we made this deal, here would be the net outlay for Arenas (after deducting for Noc and Cisco):
2010 – $5.4 million
2011 – $6.8 million
2012 – $14.7 million
2013 – $22.4 million

I can only think (and hope) that the majority of yes votes are coming via visitors from “Bullets Forever.” I wouldn’t do this deal if it included Blatche or McGee, much less as it is stated.

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NO.

I asked people what they thought of Motiejunas in January, and nobody responded. What do people really think about him?

(And when I say people, I’m addressing those of you who voted yes in the poll, therefore I mean the term to be loosely interpreted.)

If you are someone who has complained about Martin not being worth his contract because he was injured so often, then your yes vote is invalid.

If you are someone who believes that Tyreke Evans is not a point guard, then your yes vote is invalid.

If you are someone who would like to see us sign one of the top free agents this off-season, then your yes vote is invalid.

If you want to trace Noc because you think he’s a locker room cancer or otherwise a malcontent, then your yes vote is invalid.

To the remaining yes voters, go back to the Wiz blog.

Nobody with any amount of business or basketball sense could possibly think that this is a good idea for us.

Do you know why we traded Webber for what we traded him for? Cap flexibility. Especially on a rebuilding team, tying up that much money for one player for that long would destroy our cap flexibility. When you factor in that he has played 43 games in three years and has legal trouble to boot…

What are you thinking?

Why are there still so many Yes votes?