2010 Draft Combine Measurements

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by jjham15 on May 21, 2010 11:16 AM PDT reply actions

Cousins has the highest standing reach at 9'5"...wow

"......but Curry had a better TS%"

by kwill on May 21, 2010 11:16 AM PDT reply actions

292 and 16 percent body fat? I guess i shouldn't be surprised.

by kingsfan300 on May 21, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions

That body fat was a big exclamation point to me

If this is Cousins when he’s 19, what about when he’s 29? Or 34?

by nobodyinparticular on May 21, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions

That's a good point

However, in the NBA he will be required to lift weights. The added muscle will burn some of that fat off. But the question still remains; will be be a big umpa lumpa as he gets older?

"......but Curry had a better TS%"

by kwill on May 21, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions

And how much of his athleticism will be sapped by carrying sandbags around his midsection?

Sidenote: As a guy who took lots of exercise science classes in college, I am impressed by your understanding of muscle mass/ lean body mass and the ability to burn calories. It’s random and a simple fact, but I haven’t met very many people (including personal trainers) who understand that.

by nobodyinparticular on May 21, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions

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He shares some things with me that he learns on his own.

"......but Curry had a better TS%"

by kwill on May 21, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions

And that's why people need to exercise along with a diet, and not just diet only, right?

"......but Curry had a better TS%"

by kwill on May 21, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions

Exactly

And not just cardio excercise, but some form or resistance training as well. Whether you want to do low weight and high reps or high weights and low reps, it doesn’t matter. What matters is that you are building your muscle fibers.

While we’re on the subject, it also adds density to bones to use resistence training which is why (among other reasons) even elderly people should do at least a little low intensity resistence training.

by nobodyinparticular on May 21, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions

and you look better naked : )

The added weight is a concern even as Cousins improves his diet and has more advanced directives for resistence training and cardio; injuries. Added weight is more stressful on the joints and tendons. As Cousins is not known as a gazelle, can his body withstand the extra pace and added minutes of an NBA game and an NBA season?

by betweentheeyes on May 21, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions

Possible DeMarcus Cousins at 29-34

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by chenp22 on May 22, 2010 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs

Centers who have been tested over the years average between 8-23%

Spencer was 13%, so if you figure 8-10 as being good, that makes Cousins 6-8% overweight on average. 6% of 292 lbs is 17.5 lbs overweight. 8% is 23.3 lbs overweight. Once he gets drafted his new team will have him working out everyother day, and he’ll lose 20 lbs before summer league. At 270 without adding any muscle he’s still a pretty big dude. If he can turn that 20 lbs into 5 lbs of muscle, he’d still be 275. And, he only needs to jump 7 inches to touch the rim.

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by HighTops on May 21, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions

That's if he's a hard worker

And doesn’t partake of the excesses outside of the workplace.

This is good in theory, but personalities do matter.

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by otis29 on May 21, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions

DeMarcus Cousins scares me cuz he seems so unreliable.

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by pookeyguru on May 21, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions

Yes, there are very few absolutes, and like any other rookie it's a gamble

I don’t know him personally, but if it were me I’d be pissed. and, I’d want to prove everybody wrong about my red flags. So, I’d work my butt off literally. The one thing I got from the interviews (and I don’t put much importance in media interviews because they’re only looking for a story) is that the kid hates to lose. And, I’d rather have a guy that shows his feelings than one that’s passive aggressive.

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by HighTops on May 21, 2010 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions

Nice way of putting a positive spin on what was a bad interview for Cousins.

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by Slam_Dunk on May 21, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions

He's just not a bubbly personality.

That isn’t going to change. That isn’t going to matter much to GP when he makes the pick.

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by pookeyguru on May 21, 2010 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions

I honestly don't know how GP is going to look at Cousins, when he goes to make his pick.

The talent does seem to drop off after Cousins and Favors, so if one of them drops to the 5 spot, you are probably right – he takes him, regardless. I would have liked to have seen a more positive interview from him. So, I am a little disappointed that he didn’t handle the media interview opportunity better. There are reports that he interacts very well with teammates. The little interaction I saw him doing with other players at the combine appeared very relaxed and congenial. I agree with reports that he lacks maturity. With someone like Wall, a franchise can feel pretty confident that drafting him is going to have a very positive outcome. Unfortunately, with Cousins, I doubt if any franchise is going to have that same level of confidence that things are going to work out smoothly.

I want to picture him being an asset to the locker room chemistry, playing well with admiring fans, and working hard to improve his game and physical conditioning. But, I have some concerns that he could butt heads with Westphal, become a target in the media, and fail to work on improving his physical condition.

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by Slam_Dunk on May 22, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions

agree with you S_D

Cousins may have a problem with authority. Westphal is many things, personable and nice, but authoritarian without a doubt (I can’t think of any coaches, college or professional who are not, it comes with the title). Ask Spencer, someone who also likes to buck the system.

by betweentheeyes on May 22, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions

Agreed.

Westphal is a really good coach and I think works very hard to develop a good working relationship with his players. Westphal is in charge and expects his players to follow his rules, without questioning his authority. The situation which erupted with Spencer does come to mind when thinking about Cousins. I would expect that if Cousins failed to show proper respect to Westphal, there would be subsequent consequences. I suspect that Cousins would have difficulty being sat out for a game and would not handle the media attention, which would inevitably follow, very well.

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by Slam_Dunk on May 22, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions

I think we've all seen reporters trying to provoke someone

in order to get a headline story. And, all this bad attitude stuff really doesn’t change the fact that he’s one of the most skilled players in the draft. GM’s are going to go into the interviews and are going to want him to interview well so they can ignore all the conjecture and simple look at his size and skill level and dream of having him on there team.

I’m going to say that Cousins will not fall to #5, and could go as high as #2 especially if someone trades up.

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by HighTops on May 23, 2010 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions

I think, at least for me, can't speak for others on here...

One of the things that is going to be very interesting to see is where Cousins will be selected. He has the skill set and stats to back it to go as high as #1, but I don’t think too many doubt that the Wizards will pick Wall. Given Cousins front court position and team needs, I agree that he could go as high as #2, if someone trades up. You are saying that Cousins will not fall to #5. You may be right, but I am going to say that with all the conjecture surrounding him, I think that he has a 50/50 chance of falling to the #5.

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by Slam_Dunk on May 23, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions

He falls until

the risk is worth the reward. That is, if only Wall and Turner and Favors have great workouts, Cousins goes 4th, because what does Minny really have to lose at that point? However, if Johnson and Aminu (for example) have great workouts, he could drop to #6 and the Dubs. At that point, it becomes a matter of each personal team and what they are seeing in their workouts. Could Monroe show enough to drop himt to #7? Could Udoh impress enough to drop him to #8? Could someone need Aldrich badly enough to drop him to #9?

This is how Brandon Jennings wound up at #10 last year. This is going to be very interesting to follow.

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by section214 on May 23, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions

I agree with your point of the risk versus reward assessment that each team has to make. (I think that would be a very interesting question for someone like Jerry Reynolds to answer. Perhaps you or Ziller could interview him.)

The workouts these players have with each team is going to mean a lot as part to the total assessment and impression each player makes. Johnson and Aminu have certainly become part of the conversation and could come in to become factors. I agree with you that Cousins could fall to #6, with Petrie deciding to pass on him. I don’t see Cousins falling below that, he is just too good a player to pass up, IMO. If he does, I will be very surprised. I agree, this is going to be very interesting to follow.

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by Slam_Dunk on May 23, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions

I agree that Cousins does not drop past 6th

But last year I had Jennings gone by the time Minnesota finished with their picks (5 & 6), with no way Jennings dropping past the Warriors (7) and especially the Knicks (8). Kid went 10th.

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by section214 on May 23, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions

That is what makes the draft so interesting and unpredictable.

It would be really interesting to know the thought process of those teams who passed on Jennings, at the time.

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by Slam_Dunk on May 23, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions

I would guess

(at least for some of them) it was his mouth.

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by section214 on May 23, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions

There you go.

It didn’t come down to his performance on the court. Teams (rather GMs) look at other relevant or irrelevant factors in making a decision. Same thing could happen for Cousins.

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by Slam_Dunk on May 23, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions

Clearly

The only reason that he drops out of the top 4 would be his attitude, whether it’s real or perceived.

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by section214 on May 23, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions

Part of the reason BJ3 shined was his relationship with Scott Skiles

But Skiles also didn’t push against drafting BJ3 either.

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by pookeyguru on May 23, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions

Maybe he is a fiery winner type

And maybe he’s just a big huge lazy jackass. Right now, I’d say he’s got to prove he’s the former, as there’s more evidence of the latter.

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by otis29 on May 22, 2010 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

This

But this kind of evidence you or I would need to make this distinction is not really available to us. I would think it has to be on GP and PW to get close and personal to him to find that.

by nobodyinparticular on May 22, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions