Bosh Narrows the Field
Honestly, I've always thought Bosh is the most likely of the big free agents to leave, and this news does nothing to dissuade me. He's definitely getting his money too, as Toronto is amenable to the idea of a sign-and-trade.
And no, Virginia, the Sacramento Kings are not on his list.
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Cant see a Sign & Trade happening
First if Bosh resigns for max money, NY and Mia don’t have enough players under contract for the salaries to match. and, since Tor is over the cap limit, the 125% +$100K salary match would be in affect.
Chicago is also under the limit but would have to send $15M back to match so the min they would have to give up is Noah and Deng. So, none of the teams he wants to go to have enough talent to match Bosh’s new contract.
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Wait...what?
New York and Miami both have enough cap space to take his max deal straight up don’t they?
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yea but that's not a sign&trade. that's just them straight up signing him
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
not necessarily
teams do sign and trades with cap space all the time. It creates a trade exception, if I recall correctly. Think that’s how Orlando got Rashard Lewis.
Yep
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by Kfan in Korea on May 21, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
LPKingsfan is absolutely correct.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Sorry, piss poor job wording that
If Tor is only going to get cap space back in return, they have no reason for doing a sign & trade.
read my revised version below.
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They do if they can dump Hedo Turkoglu's contract.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
?
If Toronto trades Bosh, they are under the cap. These teams can take Bosh’s new contract without having to give anything up. Hence, the 125% rule does not apply.
For example, if Bosh went to Toronto for Chicago’s pick, Chicago would still be under the cap, and Toronto would get under the cap. No problem. Even if they did the deal for (example) Deng, the Bulls would be under the cap and the Raptors would be lowering their cap excess, which I think still makes the deal fly.
I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to this stuff, so maybe I’m missing something.
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If Bosh were S&T 214
The 125% rule would apply. Only because Toronto would be over the cap at that point.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Of course it woudln't keep a S&T from happening though.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I guess what I was saying, the 3 teams have nothing to give Tor in return
Tor has no reason to do a S&T if they aren’t getting anything of value in return. Since Bosh’s new contract puts Tor approx $12M over the cap, they would have to take back less than $6M in contracts. For Mia that’s maybe Beasley. For Chicago that probably Noah. And, there’s no one on NY that Tor would want. If Tor wants Beasley maybe it happens. But, I’m not sure Bosh wants to go to Chi if they have to give up Noah to get him.
So, unless Tor could get Noah & Deng in trade, they’re better off just losing Bosh and getting the cap space.
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They could make the deal for a draft pick
Now, or in the future. Something is better than nothing.
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Yes, that's a definite possibility
I guess I just couldn’t see Bosh hurting his new team just to get that extra year. Maybe Wade or Rose wouldn’t mind it though since they’d be getting another Star. and, Wade is going to get his money, so I guess he’s got nothing to complain about.
But, if I were Bosh, I would want to move to get a ring, since I can get the max by staying in Tor. And, raping your new team for talent to get the max, isn’t the best way to get a ring.
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That extra year,
plus the increases equates to about $30 million. I could see Bosh costing his new team a draft pick in order to make an extra $30 million. Easily.
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I had this conversation with Pookey
Bosh is 26 if he gets the 5yrs that’s available without the s&t, he’s still going to be 31 when it expires. This probably isn’t going to be his last contract. If so than he’ll get that extra year in his next contract. and, if the salary cap goes up with the economy the max in the next contract could ( i know that’s a big could) but it could be higher than the last year of his next contract. Remember Kobe just sign a 30 mil a year extension.
If this isn’t his last contract than the extra year doesn’t mean much. It really is only insurance for a career ending injury.
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This is his last contract under the current CBA
None of these guys know what looms in the future for the NBA.
If this isn’t his last contract than the extra year doesn’t mean much. It really is only insurance for a career ending injury.
heh, the extra year is a metric f#ckton of money. It’s not just for insurance.
But stay optimistic HT! Maybe Bosh will be that elusive player that bypasses his first max contract, so he can worry about his contract 7 years from now.
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If he gets hurt, this is his last contract
Bird in the hand – an extra $30 million guaranteed > the thought of signing another contract down the road.
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LOL
These guys are businessmen HT, and businessmen don’t leave $30 million on the table just to be magnanimous.
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by otis29 on May 22, 2010 6:25 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Magnanimous
I like it Otis. Hence a rec.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
My thinking is he'll get that last year in his next contract anyways
read above. But, your probably right, although I’ll bet some of the players that have had a great career but are defined by the fact that they never won a championship might regret it after they retire.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
How does never having won a championship matter right now?
Currently, Chris Bosh plays basketball for the Toronto Raptors. He’s going to get his max deal, and probably dictate a trade to a team that has a better chance of winning a championship.
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You don't think like an agent or a player
His agent is going to have no interest in passing up his cut of the extra $30 million – there is no guarantee that he is still going to be the agent when the next contract comes along.
For Bosh, get the guaranteed money now – you could get hurt in your next practice, the next CBA might change guaranteed contracts, etc.
It’s $30 million, and there is absolutel no guarantee that this money will be available for him at the end of this contract.
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A trade exception is more valuable than just cap space
It would allow them to use the cap space and then acquire an additional player using the exception.
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by Kfan in Korea on May 21, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
And here is a brilliant article
depicting just that type of scenario.
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by section214 on May 21, 2010 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly. Ziller to the rescue
Thanks for the link and great read.
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by Kfan in Korea on May 22, 2010 3:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Man
Nothing better than getting a rec for Ziller’s writing!
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...because we are the same person
I’m thinking about trying to add traction to this rumor – sort of StR’s version of LeBron and Delonte West. Whaddya think?
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Are you trying to tell us you had sex with Ziller's mom?
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by Kfan in Korea on May 22, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
OedipuSection214
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by Kfan in Korea on May 22, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Reminds me of a classic Simpsons line
Marge: Oedipus murdered his father so that he could marry his mother.
Homer: Holy crap! Who paid for that wedding?
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by section214 on May 22, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Homer is a genius no doubt.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
all that is required on Toronto's end is that they don't take back
125%+. They can take back less.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on May 21, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
This.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Toronot lets Bosh walk without anything in return...
… what do you think the season ticketholder response will be?
This is why a sign and trade is going down, if Bosh is leaving, even if it’s a crummy deal for Toronto. They need to get something in return, even if it’s Taj Gibson and a future draft pick.
by Kevin Conroy on May 21, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
They will get a shiny new draft pick next year.
Maybe that player will turn out to be a #1 instead of a #2 who demands to be paid and treated like a #1.
Exactly right
And it’s why (if the story is accurate) Toronto has already said they are interested in the sign-and-trade.
This is why I think LeBron and Wade will be in the same boat. They will sign max contracts with their current teams and either stay and play or be moved in a S&T.
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Cleveland might be so bitter
That the season ticket holders would say Screw you for leaving, We dont want a sign and trade if it makes lebron get less money.. I dont know, might be a bit far fetched, But thats the way I would feel..
REALLY?
Like I'm gonna change my signature
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I don't think that's far fetched.
I can’t imagine how any S&T brings back value for Cleveland. At least in Toronto, they’re already a crappy team. But the whole Cleveland team is already built AROUND LeBron as it is. You either stay and take the money or you leave and take less somewhere else.
That’s how I’d play it.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I've been wondering if Cleveland's front office has the guts to do it
These teams always take the extra step to accommodate their fleeing star player but in this case LeBron is so good I think they have to treat it like a divorce and take a bitter, selfish stance. Say screw it, if you want the extra $30 mil, go get some more endorsement deals.
by Kevin Conroy on May 22, 2010 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup KC. I'm wondering the same thing myself.
Or, if they can convince LeBron to stay. I don’t really have any high opinion of LeBron t hough. He’s a spoiled brat regardless of how this ends. He’s trying to have this both ways, and you can’t have it both ways in this world.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Sure, add insult to injury
That’s smart business.
Look, I get that there’s a ton of LeBron backlash out there. But he’s getting his max deal.
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If the Lakers pull off a sign and trade for Bosh with Bynum I think I'm going to cry.
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Won't happen
He won’t sign if he doesn’t like the trade.
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by Kfan in Korea on May 22, 2010 3:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep
The player has all the control here. The team could theoretically wash their hands of the player, but they have to deal with the idea of just letting an elite player walk without getting SOMETHING back in return.
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Cleveland would be better off letting LeBron walk for nothing than getting something "small" for LeBron instead.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I disagree obviously
I think it would be a mess. Short-term, it might make everyone feel good that they got a pound of flesh from LeBron, but from a business standpoint I think it’s short-sighted.
I've got squirrels in my pants!
Best way to get an impact player is through the draft.
Who are you going to get with that roster that’s going to replace LeBron?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Bosh is debunking this list on Twitter.
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Anyone else notice how scary he looks in this photo?
MuwahHhahhaahahhahaha!
REALLY?
Like I'm gonna change my signature
C MON!
Probably so
Bosh probably realized he was ruining his leverage by limiting his options. Shwoops!
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I don't know
I think its obvious he wants to play in Sacramento.
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