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2010 STR Draft Board - Aykis Edition

The first in the Editorial version of the 2010 STR Draft Board, in which we will be featuring one each week.  This draft board is based off of my own opinions and goes 15 high.  Comparisons are NOT meant to be taken too seriously.  Thoughts/Arguments are welcomed and appreciated.  Also, take what you will from the Highlights, they're there more for fun than anything.

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#1 Evan Turner, G, 6'7, 205 lbs, 21 years, Junior, Ohio State

Comparisons: Scottie Pippen/Brandon Roy/Paul Pierce (Turner doesn't have superior NBA athleticism, just like Roy and Pierce don't, but he does have veteran savvy and skills that will allow him to play at a high level for a long time, also like Roy and Pierce.  His do-it-all type game and defense reminds me a bit of Pippen as well)

I know that John Wall is the popular pick here, because of his freak athleticism and great talent.  But Turner is also very skilled, and in my opinion, better suited to play second fiddle to a certain Tyreke Evans.  Turner is also a lockdown perimeter defender, potentially giving the Kings two guys in the backcourt who are able to shut their guy down.  I'm not saying that Wall couldn't do this as well, but Wall's defense has been inconsistent so far.  Wall might end up being the better player of the two, but I think that Turner, paired next to Evans, would work better than Wall paired with Evans.  Turner is also a fantastic rebounder, an improving shooter (better than either Evans or Wall, although still not great past mid-range), and a great distributor.

Highlights:

#2 John Wall, G, 6'4, 195 lbs, 19 years, Freshman, Kentucky

Comparisons: Derrick Rose/Russell Westbrook/Steve Francis (All point guards with great athleticism, although Wall might have them all beat.  Not as good a shooter as Francis, but more mature)

John Wall will be selected #1 by the Washington Wizards.  That's pretty much a given at this point.  His unreal athleticism, great court vision, and superb ball handling skills all point to a very bright future.  I look forward to future Wizards-Kings games to watch Evans v. Wall.

Highlights:

#3 Derrick Favors, F/C, 6'10, 245 lbs, 18 years, Freshman, Georgia Tech

Comparisons: Antonio McDyess/Dwight Howard/Amir Johnson (Very athletic, needs to bulk up a bit more, as well as work on his offense.  Going to be a solid rebounder, defender in the league no matter what.  If he doesn't improve, he'll stay like Amir Johnson, but I think that's unlikely.  I doubt he becomes as good as Howard, but Antonio McDyess pre-injury doesn't seem like a reach)

A great prospect at #3, Favors has the good attitude, defensive and offensive potential, and athleticism  that the Kings need.  Unfortunately, he likely won't drop past the Nets (where he'll be absolutely awesome paired with Brook Lopez).  His offensive game still needs a bit of work, but I don't think its as raw as people say.  His guards were atrocious at Georgia Tech, but he still managed to score very efficiently, as well as grab a decent amount of rebounds paired with Gani Lawal.

Highlights:

#4 DeMarcus Cousins, C, 6'11, 290 lbs, 19 years, Freshman, Kentucky

Comparisons: Al Jefferson/Derrick Coleman/Ron Artest (Cousins has all the talent and physical gifts in the world, but it remains to be seen how his attitude will affect his growth as an NBA player.  Artest is crazy, but he loves the game and works hard.  Coleman was just lazy and didn't respect the game.  Skill-wise, Cousins is very similar to Al Jefferson, although he has more potential on both ends.)

Cousins is a prospect that I think will fall to the Kings, but Geoff might feel some trepidation in picking him.  He has so many physical skills, could step in to help the team immediately, and plays a position of need, but questions of his attitude and work ethic still abound.  I honestly think that Sacramento would be possibly the best place for him to start his career though, of the teams in the lottery.  We've got a good, young group of guys, a town where you can't get into too much trouble, and a fanbase that would be behind him from day one.  Cousins is the highest risk, highest reward player in the draft.

Highlights:

#5 Wesley Johnson, G/F, 6'7, 205 lbs, 22 years, Junior, Syracuse

Comparisons: Shawn Marion/Michael Finley/Corey Brewer (Johnson is athletic, a good shooter, rebounder, and defender.  I think he'll be able to make more of an impact than Brewer did this year because of his experience, but won't have the same immediate impact that guys like Marion or Finley did)

Johnson is one of the older prospects in the draft, as he will be 23 years old when the season starts.  The reason I have him over a guy like Al-Farouq Aminu is because I believe he can play SG in the NBA, paired next to Tyreke, as his shooting complements Reke's slashing. His weaknesses are his ball-handling and shot creating, but paired next to 'Reke, these problems would be alleviated a bit.  If you've ever watched him play, he makes a concerted effort to attack the glass, and he managed to average a combined 3.5 steals/blocks while playing in Syracuse's zone.  Johnson is one of the more NBA ready players in this draft, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him go as high as 4th.

Highlights:

#6 Al-Farouq Aminu, F, 6'8, 215 lbs, 19 years, Sophomore, Wake Forest

Comparisons: Josh Smith/Anthony Randolph/Thaddeus Young (Aminu is possibly the best athlete in this draft, but it depends on whether his attitude and work ethic will allow him to become the player he's meant to be)

Aminu's offense is pretty bad at this point, and he doesn't really have the strength needed to defend most of the NBA fours at the moment.  But his upside is huge, and he could definitely end up as one of the better players in the draft when all is said and done.  For the Kings, he would likely back up Landry at the 4 as well as play minutes at the 3.  I don't think he'll be ready to make a big impact for a couple of years though.  He's definitely a project.

Highlights:

#7 Ekpe Udoh, F, 6'10, 240 lbs, 23 years, Junior, Baylor

Comparisons: Rasheed Wallace/Keon Clark/Jason Thompson (Udoh isn't that great of a rebounder, at least defensively, but he's got range on his shot and is a good athlete and shot blocker.  He'll make an impact this season)

Udoh is the oldest projected lotto pick, already 23, but also one of the more promising.  He's not an efficient scorer, or a great defensive rebounder, but he's got range, he blocks shots at a ridiculous rate, hits the offensive glass hard, and runs the floor a lot better than most big men.  I don't see him starting right away for Sacramento, but teams would have to think twice about coming into the paint with him around.  One of his best attributes is his ability to block shots without picking up fouls.  He averaged only 2.4 fouls and 35.1 minutes a game, while racking up 3.7 blocks per game.  He'd instantly become the best post defender on the Kings.

Highlights (this is like the one Udoh mix I could find. Guess there aren't any Baylor fans out there):

#8 Greg Monroe, F/C, 6'11, 245 lbs, 19 years, Sophomore, Georgetown

Comparisons: Pau Gasol/Spencer Hawes/Brad Miller (Monroe is a big man with great skill, in the mold of Vlade Divac, although he shies away from physicality and prefers to work in the high post)

Monroe gets the #8 spot from me because right now he's the BPA.  The Kings already have a player sort of like him in Spencer Hawes (Monroe is a better rebounder), and he's not the type of big that Kings fans have been clamoring for, but he has tremendous offensive upside (just like Spencer Hawes still does).  I pick him here because of his overall skill set, his ability to play the PF or C position, and his potential, which overcomes need at the moment.

Highlights (this is seriously like watching Spencer Hawes in someone else's body):

#9 Cole Aldrich, C, 6'11, 240 lbs, 21 years, Junior, Kansas

Comparisons: Joel Przybilla/Kendrick Perkins/Greg Ostertag (Physical, strong defensive minded big men, who won't need double teams when guarding the other players star.  Don't expect much on offense though)

Aldrich was probably the best center in College Basketball last year, but that doesn't mean he'll end up being the best center out of this draft.  Far from it.  But this is the type of player that a lot of Kings fans have wanted Spencer to become: a big, tough shotblocking, rebounding machine.  That's what you're going to get from him.  Aldrich doesn't really have many offensive weapons, although he'll likely be a better offensive player than the comparisons I listed above, as he can play well with his back to the basket.  Facing the basket or shooting jumpers on the other hand is a different story.  Aldrich is the safe pick here, because you know what you're going to get, and don't expect a whole lot of difference throughout his career.

Highlights:

#10 Xavier Henry, G, 6'6, 210 lbs, 19 years, Freshman, Kansas

Comparisons: James Posey/Doug Christie/Martell Webster (Henry is probably a better offensive player than each of these players, but similarly, he has above-average athleticism, can knock down the 3 well, and can handle the ball)

Henry could work fantastically with Tyreke Evans.  Henry is a good shooter, a good defender, and a good passer.   He doesn't need the ball in his hands a lot, and he can still move off the ball.  On defense, his great wingspan and defensive awareness will allow him to defend NBA SG/SFs (and possibly PGs, although he might not be quick enough).

Highlights:

#11 Patrick Patterson, F, 6'9, 240 lbs, 21 years, Junior, Kentucky

Comparisons: Carl Landry/Leon Powe/Jeff Green (Patterson actually has better size for the PF position than these players, but his game is similar.  Go in there, hustle, and provide some instant offense.  Not that great at defense)

The Kings have Patrick Patterson at full potential on their team already in Carl Landry.  Patterson plays very similarly, with excellent touch around the basket, and great offensive awareness.  He's not a very good rebounder or defender, but that's not what he is going to be in games for.  He's got future 6th man of the year written all over him.

Highlights:

#12 Hassan Whiteside, C, 7'0, 230 lbs, 20 years, Freshman, Marshall

Comparisons: Marcus Camby/Keon Clark/Hasheem Thabeet (All guys with ridiculous wingspans, ridiculous shot blocking, and decent jumpers)

Whiteside is another high risk, high reward player.  He's got a ridiculous penchant for blocking shots (5.4 per game in only 26 minutes), is a decent rebounder, and has good form on his jumpshot.  He has a very skinny frame though, and he will definitely need to bulk up to avoid being pushed around by some of the stronger players in the NBA.  He also has questions about his work ethic and attitude, as well as Mikki Moore hands.  In 851 minutes played this past season, he only dished out 9 total assists.  He's a project, but one that could be dominant if he fulfills his potential.

Highlights:

#13 Ed Davis, F/C, 6'10, 230 lbs, 20 years, Freshman, North Carolina

Comparisons: Al Horford/Udonis Haslem/Hilton Armstrong (Remains to be seen if Davis becomes much more than a defensive rebounding role player, or evolves his offensive game to become more)

Davis is a decent player and at 13, a good pick.  He has a bit of upside, and this mainly is because of his unpolished offensive game.  He also suffered a broken wrist that cut his season short by about 8 weeks.  On defense, he's good at blocking shots and rebounding, although he's not very good at keeping people out of the paint and gets pushed around a bit.  He could play the Center in the NBA although he'll need to bulk up a bit first.

Highlights:

#14 Damion James, F, 6'8, 230 lbs, 22 years, Senior, Texas

Comparisons: Luc Richard Mbah A Moute/Nicolas Batum/Thabo Sefolosha (Very long, good defenders, rebounders, shooters)

James has a bit more well-rounded of an offensive game than a Mbah A Moute or Sefolosha, and is a great defender and rebounder.  He could play either the 3 or the 4 for the Kings (yes, another tweener) and he could guard some 2s as well.  James will likely be one of the better rookies next year, and will likely have a solid career.

Highlights:

#15 Donatas Motiejunas, C, 7'0, 215 lbs, 19 years, Benetton Treviso (Italy), Lithuania

Comparisons: Andrea Bargnani/Channing Frye (Tall skinny guy who can hit his jump shots)

It is fairly well known that I do not like Motiejunas.  If the Kings drafted him at #5 I would probably stop being a fan.  But at #15 he'd be an alright pick.  He's got a lot of attitude/work ethic problems, but he's a very good offensive player, taking you inside, outside, and he can feed off the double-team.  But he's also incredibly weak (he would weigh less than Tyreke Evans), doesn't seem to make an effort on defense, and is an atrocious rebounder.  He is only 19 so he can build on his frame (in fact he MUST build on his frame if he wants to be successful).  But he needs to work a lot harder if he wants to fulfill his potential.  He could be a nightmare for opposing teams to guard.  

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My eyes!! My eyes!!

Turner at #1? Gah!

In all seriousness though, other than that a plausible list save for perhaps Xavier Henry at #10, though I understand the reasoning. And the videos were a nice touch.

And love the Motiejunas video.

by nbrans on May 25, 2010 9:28 AM PDT reply actions  

Word

I decided to alter Aykis list and make my own draft board based soley off the likability of the songs chosen for each player.

1. Demarcus Cousins-Love when Highlight reels use underground rap artists, who are more lyrical than club singers.

2. Xavier Henry-WTF happened to mr. Kevin Garnett DMX

3. Ekpe Udoh-for same reasons as DMC’s song.

4. Aminu-Ricky Ross’s Hustlin is a grinders anthem

5. John Wall-Old school Game and 50 cent is ok

6. Evan Turner-Sean Kingston is my guilty pleasure.

7. Hassan Whiteside-Not one of Jay-z’s best but its still Jay-Z

8. Damian James- Like the underground idea, but song was way to grimmey.

9. Wes Johnson-Not a big Nelly fan

10. Favors-Never was a One Republic fan, the remixes to this song are pretty cool though.

11. Davis and the Maj whatever dude-for not putting forth crappy music to crappy players

12.Patterson-HATE FLO RIDA!!!!

13. Aldrich-all I have to say is WTF mate???

14. Monroe-DOUBLE HATE ANYTHING OF 50 cent past Get Rich or Die Tryin.

by Gilo424 on May 25, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

very good point

and i really really didn’t like the One Republic song for Favors

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on May 25, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it's pretty clear that Cousins doesn't always make the best decisions

Seriously, who the hellstill wears headbands?

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on May 25, 2010 9:44 AM PDT reply actions  

Paul Pierce

"Even when I’m old and grey, I won’t be able to play it, but I’ll still love the game." — Michael Jordan

Go Kings!

by Panzerfaust on May 25, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

bad deciders i say!

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on May 25, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rasheed Wallace!

FTW

Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!

by Shizzo on May 25, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Travolta

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 25, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I must admit, the Wesley Johnson highlights were fun to watch

I especially like the Fred Sanford reference part

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on May 25, 2010 9:58 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

His highlight mix was great, but it almost made me want his point guard as much as I’d want him. Johnson put away a lot of ‘oops (that’s not all he did, but he did a lot of it), but someone was serving him a lot of nice feeds.

by twasserm on May 25, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rautins?

Maybe that’s why the Kings interviewed him at combine?

by getPGwithbounce on May 25, 2010 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I stopped reading after...
Turner doesn’t have superior NBA athleticism, like a Roy or Pierce

This looks like this is going to be a great read, which I’ll get back to w/o a doubt. I just had to get up and walk around after hearing “Superior NBA athleticism” and “Pierce” in the same sentence. I’m pretty sure that guy has a vertical of 6 inches and the cutting ability of elementary school scissors.

There will be a SammyP wherever you go. But don't worry, it scared me at first too.

by Sammyp831 on May 25, 2010 9:58 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

I can't speak for Aykis

But Paul Pierce at 32 is not the same player as Paul Pierce at 22. He was never a flashy, explosive dunker but he was a really good athlete when he was younger. Look at some of the early highlights in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL5VfjIXweg and tell me that Pierce wasn’t a really good athlete, and better than Turner at the same age.

I feel like people make this mistake often when comparing players who are now past their prime to draft picks – hence the constant Kidd/Rubio comparisons last year, or Turner to Grant Hill/Pippen, etc. Yeah, Kidd/Hill/Pierce have replaced their athleticism with smarts as they moved into their thirties. But they were all incredible athletes when they were younger.

by nbrans on May 25, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions   4 recs

rec for the second paragraph

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on May 25, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Meant to say Roy or Pippen.

Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on May 25, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, just meant to say Pippen

This is what happens when you write these things all in one go. Thanks for the catch Sammy.

Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on May 25, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

After re-reading it

I did mean to say Roy or Pierce, the grammar is just weird. What I’m meaning to say is that Turner isn’t a superior athlete, just like Roy and Pierce aren’t superior athletes.

Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on May 25, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is all getting really confusing.

But this (final?) comment sums it up well.

There will be a SammyP wherever you go. But don't worry, it scared me at first too.

by Sammyp831 on May 25, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I fixed it up

Should be clearer now.

Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on May 25, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

But Roy is a better athlete than Turner, and Pierce was a better athlete than Turner when he was drafted

And in fact I’d argue that they were both well-above-average when they were drafted. So what does superior mean?

by nbrans on May 25, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Desmond Mason

"Thou must give props" - Ice_9ine

by tomroadrunner on May 25, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can get more into this later. Too busy now..

But in the mean time, i don’t think we should ask what does superior mean? For me, it comes down to the difference between being a superior athlete and having superior athleticism.

There will be a SammyP wherever you go. But don't worry, it scared me at first too.

by Sammyp831 on May 25, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow.

That kid in the last video went down like Vince Carter when someone hand checks him.

by MichaelMack on May 25, 2010 10:19 AM PDT reply actions  

In the battle of highlight mixes, the clear champ is Wes Johnson.

Johnson’s highlights make him look like a slightly smaller Kevin Durant. Yes, please.

Anyways, good list. This kind of thing is really helpful for me, because I don’t watch any college ball at all. I think ultimately things are going to be more or less decided in the workouts, as it seemed to be last year, so I’m anxiously waiting to see if Geoff and JR come away from any of the workouts feeling like they just saw another “man amongst boys”.

Some thoughts:

  • DeMarcus Cousins does not look or play like he’s almost 300 pounds, to my eyes. He seems much more smooth and agile than I would expect for someone as heavy as he is with questions about his conditioning. In any case, I think I’m getting more and more sold on Cousins. As for the questions about his “attitude”, I feel like any potential issues are going to hinge on whether or not he respects his teammates and/or his coach enough to keep himself in check. He obviously plays with a lot of “fire” and he obviously loves to win. Those things are generally great traits. But the concern would be how he reacts if he starts to get frustrated with losing and decides to take it out on the other players or his coach. Is ‘Reke enough of an Alpha Dog with enough gravitas to help Cousins maintain his focus and a proper perspective? Will PW command enough respect that Cousins will be a willing team player, or will we see “Rolegate 2.0”? Personally, I feel pretty good that we’d all be satisfied with the answers, but only time will tell.
  • I think I’d be okay if Monroe ended up being the pick. If he is essentially Spencer Hawes on the offensive end, then I think that could be a really good thing. The truth is, Spencer is more or less failing at being Spencer Hawes on offensive. He shows us glimpses of the skills that leave us drooling like mindless Kayte fans, but has yet to establish anything close to the consistency that he needs to attain. If Monroe can find that consistency before Spence does, then great. On paper, a player with Spence/Monroe’s skillset should be the perfect complement to JT in the frontcourt, on the offensive end. If Monroe is also an improvement over Hawes in defensive rebounding, then that’s a pretty big bonus. We’d still be lacking a shotblocker, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that we’ll continue to fail on defense or continue to fail as a team.
  • At least until the workouts begin, the pick that would scare me the most is Aminu. Maybe he’ll end up being spectacular, but I’d like to let another team take that risk. At this point, I’d be more willing to take a flier on Whiteside than on Aminu.
  • Someone needs to convince me that Xavier Henry is not in play at #5. He really does seem like he could be perfect for this team. A shooter who is also athletic and a good finisher at the rim. Seems to have quite a bit of defensive potential. NBA body. What’s not to like?

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on May 25, 2010 11:44 AM PDT reply actions  

•Someone needs to convince me that Xavier Henry is not in play at #5

His name alone I think is enough for me to want the Kings to consider him

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on May 25, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

We could call him X-man

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on May 26, 2010 3:17 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

And I know I have been hating on Cousins and his attitude and all around redflaginess

but wow that kid can play. He is a natural.

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on May 25, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

So could Derick Coleman and look at his career

by Murf on May 25, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look at Barkley and look at his career

I’m with you. Very nervous about Cousins and not the biggest fan. Just saying that when he is on the court with the ball he is really good. Now if we could just make sure he never gets himself into a situation where he punches a stripper in the face, me might be a sound investment.

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on May 25, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

he not me

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on May 25, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

We all know there's nothing we could do to get you to stop punching strippers in the face.

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on May 25, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I liked what I saw in Cousins too

Glad the highlight package went beyond just dunks. DC had some nice low post moves- spins to the hoop, up and unders, etc. I also liked that it looked like he dunked whenever he could, unlike some of our own guys who put up some whoop-de-doo/flip-a-roo shots around the rim too often (coughJTandSpencercough).

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by outrider on May 25, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

for an nba team, we have precious few guys who can really dunk

Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

by Holmdel on May 25, 2010 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

more on Aminu...

Turned in 7 points, 10 rebounds and 2 steals vs. UNC (Feb. 27) … Held scoreless for first time in his career at FSU (Mar. 3) …. and against Kentucky… Foul trouble, 16 points and 8 rebounds (respectfully)
He played in a Weak ACC this year… and to me, with the eye test… he is a Timid player.

IMO

by Shadrack on May 25, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is Aminu a shorter Favors?

Not that I have researched much, just an impression…

by ZenBaller on May 25, 2010 11:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Wow, you are really low on Motiejunas

I’m not a big fan of him either, but I had the opportunity to watch him play in this year’s playoffs and I have some observations:
He has definitively improved as a player. I saw him at the beginning of the season, and his game has improved a lot. In defense he’s totally obscene when speaking of lateral quickness, but he has learned how to get position to defend in the post. He’s not a great rebounder, but he’s very long so he manage to get some rebound and some block here or there.
I don’t see him developing a jump shot good as Bargnani’s or Dirk’s, but he has a lot more moves than both of them at this age.
He never loose his calm but, on the other hand, he never shows much passion.
He has become terrific in playing the pick and roll, and, if somehow he manage to get in a good pick and roll team (like the Suns), he’ll be a nightmare to defend. I’d pick him over Damion James and Ed Davis, in the end, but not higher.

"Even when I’m old and grey, I won’t be able to play it, but I’ll still love the game." — Michael Jordan

Go Kings!

by Panzerfaust on May 25, 2010 12:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow! You've been working on this!

Great job!

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on May 25, 2010 12:32 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm confused.

You say you like Ekpe Udoh at #7, and yet you justify it with highlights from some guy named Epke… what’s up with that? Doesn’t Ziller ban posts from the front page for doing that?

by twasserm on May 25, 2010 1:20 PM PDT reply actions  

You try finding highlight videos for Udoh.

Seriously. Try it.

Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on May 25, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

rec'd Aykis another great thread series begins, and I like the way you started it off

I would put these players in the order of where I think they should be picked.

  1. - Wall – as some would say, the kid is 733t, Derrick Rose with a jumper.
  2. - Turner – skills. control. complete package. love his game.
  3. - Cousins – based on talent alone – arguably the best talent, can climb over the Wall. Great hands, quick feet. The big fat thing is worrisome but the kid moved up and down the court at Kentucky – started breaks and was the finishing trailer enough that it is not a concern. Head?? This guy could be Moses Malone. Same body type. Same soft hands. Same weird head. He is 19 and either he will get it or he won’t. He is a risk but the kid has got the goods.
  4. - Wes Johnson – He is a bit like OJ Mayo – can shoot, score, defend and handle well enough. Quick and agile enough to play the NBA 2. Can shoot. Has a good head on his shoulders. His age is another advantage – he is 23 – the Kings don’t need more youth – and the fact that he transfer colleges makes him a two system guy. Two systems guys have a more advanced BB IQ.
  5. - Derrick Favors – I am not as fond of Favors as everyone else. He is a great athlete who is projected to be a great pick. He is not skillful. He has not shown anything. How much of an excuse is the point guard thing going to go? The Yellowjackets couldn’t win games with this supposed beast of a player and a probably first rounder paired with him. Is he Dwight Howard Jr.? Nope. Dwight Howard can jump out of a gym like he was shot from a cannon. He lives to lift weights and work out. I see Buck Williams more than anything at the high end for Derrick Favors.
    That is the first tier for me. The good news is that there are 5 guys here and the Kings have the #5 pick, They will get one of them.
    Next: (the group that you wouldn’t want to spend a #5 pick on but would trade down for)
  6. Greg Monroe. Big with good hands, wonderful BB IQ, passing and offensive skill set. I am big on him but the more I think about it the more I am describing Spencer Hawes. The Kings have one of those. Spencer could be better. The biggest failing is that he isn’t getting better. This next season will tell the career of Spencer Hawes. Does this unfairly diminish Greg Monroe? Unfortunately it does for me.
  7. Epke Udoh. Athletic with a nice all around game. I like his style. He is a bit older and his most lacking quality (besides pro experience) is heft. He is at the age where he will start to add weight and strength. He will advance quickly with size added to his game.
  8. Patrick Patterson. PatPat is a solid choice. I see a bit of Horace Grant, maybe Paul Milsap. He defends he rebounds he scores enough, he fits in. Nothing not to like, but he is not built to wow.
  9. James Anderson. scorer, shooter. I believe he can learn to handle enough to be a reliable combo guard. OK State players are taught to defend. The questions about his defense are perhaps overstated.

Throw in stuff:
Spoke with PAC-10 buddy the other day (he was a starting PG for a PAC-10 team not so long ago – wait a second – a bit of time ago, remember I am old) and he watches all the PAC-10 games and has coaching connections. I asked about Jerome Randle and Quincy Pondexter. Randle: “No. No way. He wishes he was Nate Robinson, but he can barely dunk I bet. He might be Mugsy Boges but I doubt it” Pondexter after I told him that he is projected to go in the first round “that just shows how weak this draft is” For the past two seasons he has told me that he is nonplussed by the Huskie.

by betweentheeyes on May 25, 2010 1:23 PM PDT reply actions  

I will transfer this, with additives to 15 my own FanPost with proper Ekpe spelling

didn’t read Ziller’s post first. I should know better, but as usual, I don’t.

by betweentheeyes on May 25, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow

Funny you mentioned Moses Malone in your comments on DC, because that’s who I thought of as well! Actually thought of Moses Malone with a bit of Kevin Duckworth-esque rear end thrown in.

I’ll take a modern day Moses!

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by outrider on May 25, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess based on these videos

BTW, great post . . . and this is the first time I’ve watched videos on these players.

1) John Wall (ok, I’ve seen Wall play before but didn’t think his video was to complimentary)
2) Wesley Johnson (I’m guessing the best of this draft class, athletic, finisher, shot creator, drilled shots against great defense)
3) Derrick Favors (convinced he can play in the post)
4) Hassan Whiteside (seriously, good finisher, keeps the ball high, nimble and good post defense . . . may also to turn out to be the long term best of this draft class)
5) Greg Monroe (lack of atheism showed, but good offensive skills)
6) Evan Turner (showed he can create his shot, video showed he got by a few times on effort and a bit of luck. Thought too many times he made the play on 2nd chance and not 1st chance)

My from video don’t want list . . .
7) Damion James (More polish, had some athletic kick)
8) Al-Farouq Aminu (athletic but think he lacked balance, cannot see him creating his own shot)
9) DeMarcus Cousins (I saw Duane Causwell, all the way down to the patent, crouching two handed dribble, back to the basket inside the crowded paint before the two hand dunk . . . except Causwell showed the ball gets stripped during the dribble in the NBA)
10) Xavier Henry (role player, someone else has to create his shot. Would get eaten alive by an athletic NBA 2-Guard)
11) Ed Davis (didn’t see much to like but most upside to grow from this bottom list)
12) Cole Aldrich (killed it for me that he couldn’t budge anyone inside paint and couldn’t make his way deep enough to be effective)
13) Patrick Patterson (not sure why he’s a lottery prospect)
14) Ekpe Udoh (maybe just a bad video, didn’t see much of anything but simple plays)
15) Donatas Motiejunas (looked short and defended by a skate board, at least Yi beat the chair)

Doesn’t look like a good draft class to me based off those videos. Looks like a lot of disappointments.

by bignerd on May 25, 2010 1:25 PM PDT reply actions  

lol, oops

Good catch and feel free to crucify me for it.

by bignerd on May 25, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

You got nailed on that one!

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on May 25, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   4 recs

Nice

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on May 25, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Wes Johnson as well

and feel he could be one of the top players of this draft…he’s got that dagger/clutch shot mentality and ridiculous athleticism, and can play D, which is what the Kings seem to be trying to mold to. I could even see Petrie trading up to snag Johnson @ 4 w/ the t-wolves, but he would have to find a way to package Donte/Omri and Cisco/Noc to clear some way at the 3. I feel Wes could play at the 2 level as well though.

Dannyboy

by dannyboy55 on May 25, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Comments about Cousins

Your point about Cousins coming to a small-town, young team to keep him out of trouble reminded me of when another talented, troubled, young big man who came to Sacramento….Chris Webber. He turned out pretty well, but I think having a talented, veteran big man (Vlade Divac) had something to do with that turn around as well. If the Kings were able to draft Cousins at #5, I would really be looking at getting a veteran big man to serve as a “mentor/motivator”. Maybe someone like Z. Ilgauskas, Udonis Haslem or Carlos Boozer, which are all free agents….

by Fredman on May 25, 2010 2:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Not sure I want Boozer's "motivations" rubbing-off on any of our young guys.

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on May 25, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

kind of agree on Boozer....

But if Cousins produces Boozer-like numbers then I will take it. Could be a whole lot worse….

by Fredman on May 25, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I say yes on Booze

Fredman has a great point, and I hear terrific things about how Booze has been as a teammate in Utah.

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by Holmdel on May 25, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just meant his reputation as a money-first mercenary.

I think we can all agree that we hope Tyreke and all of our other young guys develop a strong sense of team loyalty.

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on May 25, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

This isn’t a rebuttal to kill Cousins but to point out just how godly talented Webber was. You could probably group the skill set of 4 other players in this draft list and put them in Cousins body and that player might than be as talented as Webber. Cousins is Chris Webber if he had the basketball skills of Monroe, post moves of Favors, athleticism of Aminu, gumption and hands around the basket of Turner and the star quality of John Wall.

by bignerd on May 25, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

wasn't trying to say that Cousins is the second coming of CWebb

Was trying to make the connection that CWebb and Cousins had similiar “red flags” when they came to Sacramento (assuming Cousins comes to Sacramento of course).

Was also trying to make the point that the current Kings are lacking the “veteran leadership” that may have help CWebb’s career blossom.

by Fredman on May 25, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

It seemed to fade away and disappear after he signed that huge contract with the Kings.

I haven’t been impressed with many NBA players post games over the last 20 years. I guess what I am trying to say if a player has two moves or two shots in the post that he uses a handful of times a game it now qualifies as a “post game” in my book. Certainly Webber fits under that description, sadly only a half dozen or so players do. Essentially I am agreeing with you, it was nothing to write home about.

by bignerd on May 25, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess Waymon Tisdale was more than 20 years ago....

The last solid post players that I can think of would have been Olajuwon/Ewing. Not sure if Duncan would be considered “solid”

Also, the NBA has gotten away from the post up types of offenses and gone to this more pick n roll style which takes away from the post up opportunities.

Oh, the days of Kevin McHale are definately missed.

by Fredman on May 25, 2010 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Duncan was pretty solid

As was Shaq, though he wasn’t the prettiest at times.

Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!

by Shizzo on May 25, 2010 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

IMO young Shaq was the most insane players to watch play

Just incredibly unreal how much of a physical force he was.

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on May 25, 2010 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would agree with everything you said. Duncan was another player whose post game was more prominent young than faded as his career went on. Corliss and McDyess played the post game at times although it would come and go in phases. Shaq had a bit of jump hook similar to Webber’s. Most of the time he just caught the ball anywhere in the post and dunked it.

Ya, you don’t see anyone the likes of McHale anymore. He’s ridiculous when you look back now.

by bignerd on May 25, 2010 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Duncan not a dominant post game???

Are you kidding me? He was probably the most polished post player coming out of college ever. He is also probably the best post player to “use the glass” as well (although Webber and Pippen were also the only other masters of this that I can recall in the recent past). Duncan completely relied on his post skills to make him what he is in the NBA and has not swayed from that, just lost a step or 2 w/ age…but he will last alot longer than most bigs because of his unique post skills and smarts.

Dannyboy

by dannyboy55 on Jun 16, 2010 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sharif was pretty solid on the block

Definitely one of the best in the last fifteen years.

by MichaelMack on May 26, 2010 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm starting to get sold on Wes Johnson

dude looks like a stud.

Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!

by Shizzo on May 25, 2010 3:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Great Stuff Aykis

Thanks for finding the videos for these guys. That will make my life easier later. I agree with most of what you say. I would add a couple players to your top 15 (and take a couple out) but otherwise great stuff.

I would remove Motiejunas, Patterson and Udoh.

I think that Udoh is one of the most overrated players in this draft. Here’s some reasons why:
1. There are 23 or so players in this draft that average more rebounds per 40 minutes then he does.
2. Of those 23 or so players, 21 score more points per 40.
3. Shoots below 50% at the power forward/center position, which is not too impressive at the college level.
4. Not a great defender outside of the post, he will have a hard time defending power forwards in the NBA that can shoot on the perimeter outside 15 feet such as a Jeff Green, David West, Amare Stoudomire and LaMarcus Aldridge.

He has a great wingspan of 7’4" and shows good inside post moves on offense but at 23 years old, his potential of showing a ton more than he did this year is not as high as many other players at his position in this draft. I just like to throw in an unknown once in awhile.

The three players I would put IN the top 15 that you did not list are
1. James Anderson
2. Elliot Williams
3. Jordan Crawford

In that order though I will admit that Crawford is a major longshot here and that all your picks that I took out have greater potential than him and also probably would fit the Kings better.

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by dalt99 on May 25, 2010 5:02 PM PDT reply actions  

We want ratings!

We want ratings!!

Ok, seriously now… they’re coming soon, right dalt?

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by edm7 on May 25, 2010 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

agree with you there, Ed

I feel like we post-ers are the lead off batters – dalt and nbrans are the heavy hitters. Ok fellas, out of the on deck circle!

by betweentheeyes on May 25, 2010 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha

Just waiting for the last combine measurements in case there are any surprises like “Evan Turner actually has a 45” vertical"

by nbrans on May 25, 2010 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

that could potentially change things

expert analysis by me

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on May 25, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Coming not soon enough

Like nbrans, I too am awaiting the final combine measurements. It’s an exciting time for me but it’s also a lot of work. I am almost as enthusiastic about this draft as I was for last years but I don’t think the depth is the same this year. A lot more potential busts in this draft methinks.

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by dalt99 on May 26, 2010 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

bigger (in stature) players lead to bigger hopes lead to bigger failures

agree, this does not seem as deep as last year. A bit more on top talent, less on the overall talent and impact.

by betweentheeyes on May 26, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Curious

I hadn’t seen much of Udoh, so that info is quite useful. Though I am curious to your thoughts on why you would remove Patterson?

I have watched a lot of his games over the past two years, so he’s been subjected to my “eye test”…but I wonder if there is something else numbers-wise that throws up a red flag.

by sactoreg on May 26, 2010 6:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great Question

My “red flags” with Patterson are not as big as with Udoh. It’s more of general overall stastical inferiority (by small margins) to his competitors.
1. He’s SLIGHTLY older than many of the other prospects such as Favors, Davis, Cousins, Monroe and Whiteside.
2. He is a good rebounder but still statistically below every other highly rated prospect INCLUDING small forwards Damion James and Wesley Johnosn.
3. When teamed up with John Wall and Cousins for the first time this year, instead of improving, he regressed significantly and was outrebounded by Cousins by an alarming rate showing that he is not a very tenacious rebounder.

His negatives are somewhat outweighed by his very high FG% which sometimes hovers near 60%. He’s a very competent scorer and could turn into a decent 3-pt shooter. He also has extremely low turnover and foul rates which should be a plus in the NBA but that can sometimes mean that he does not take enough chances on either side of the floor as is evidenced by his very low steal rate (0.7 per game) and only adequate block rate (1.3 pg).

Statistics can be like a mathematical equation. Players with high steal and block rates usually have high foul rates and players with high assist and points usually have high turnovers. Patterson shows a lot of talent but could refer to his teammates too much on defense especially. I am not down on him but I don’t think PP will be a star in the NBA and is very risky statistically to be drafted in the lottery where teams are looking for a solid prospect and a potential star.

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by dalt99 on May 26, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also

On his summary above, I think Aykis summed it up very well in regards to Patterson. Well done Aykis!

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by dalt99 on May 26, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wes Johnson ... or Cousins

checked out the highlight reel for Johnson at YouTube yesterday and I too am getting high on Fresh Wes -

used to think we shouldn’t read too much into “highlights”, but felt the same way last year watching B Jennings … crazy smooth, talented & effective. Johnson has 3pt range but ATTACKS the hoop and doesn’t need the ball a lot (unlike Turner).

Now I’m worried that Johnson will be gone at #4 and we’ll face the Sink or Swim, go big or go home choice of rolling the dice on D Cousins. With his upside, he could transform the Kings. OR he’s the next Derrick Coleman. Sigh ….

by Watty4ever on May 25, 2010 5:19 PM PDT reply actions  

The more i see Johnson

The more i like him and Reke in the backcourt. As much i as i think we need a big guy who can play Defense and rebound. Having Reke and Johnson together….Lob city, Living at the line and Reke putting up 8 asst. a night because Johnson can hit a 3…..And talk about Length and defense?

Having a bruser is important in the middle i think, but damn. These boys will take over the NBA in 2 years….With Johnson we’d have back-to-back ROYS….

by shadowchicken on May 25, 2010 6:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Was that Steve Nash as a kid?

No wonder his nose breaks so much…

I officially floccinaucinihilipilificate Drew Gooden, Gerald Wallace, DeJuan Blair, Scott Brooks, the Los Angeles Clippers, and the internet!

by White Brocklate on May 25, 2010 6:08 PM PDT reply actions  

First Post

Go Kings! Die hard kings fan and just never had the chance to join here and am at work and decided its time.

I want Derrick Favors, I feel we should try and trade up for him, but I can always settle with Cousins or Johnson.

I live in Reno so I see Luke Babbit play all the time, but their is a player we might find interesting in the second round and that would be Armon Johnson who played with Luke at Nevada. He is a bit of a project, but a great scorer and a good body for a PG. Could be a nice player coming off the bench, maybe starting some day.

by oakland9 on May 25, 2010 10:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Armon Johnson might shoot up depending on how teams feel about him.

Right now the few mock’s I’ve seen have Babbitt in the 1st round cuz of size (I think). Welcome to StR.

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by pookeyguru on May 25, 2010 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its more

That he is tremendous offensively. Easily the best in the draft right now. Wait until you see him shoot. He is way skilled, just no athleticism or much ability to guard the 3 or 4 when he is 6’8…

by oakland9 on May 26, 2010 12:47 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I can see that oak

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by pookeyguru on May 26, 2010 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rek’d for the last video.

by Charles L. Pierro on May 25, 2010 11:10 PM PDT reply actions  

The thing I liked most about Wes Johnson...

…was his insanely quick release and excellent elevation. His entire shot looks very smooth and effortless.

I’m sold on him at #5. I was initially disappointed with the placement, but nabbing either Cousins or Johnson at #5 would be perfectly acceptable.

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by jaxe ac on May 25, 2010 11:31 PM PDT reply actions  

admit it

the mix tape alone swayed you a bit

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on May 25, 2010 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

The mix tape swayed me a bit,

which makes me feel absolutely stupid, because I should never be swayed by a mix tape.

I watch about five total games of college ball a year, so I know next to nothing firsthand about these guys other than the opinions I hear on the Internet. But it seems like the biggest argument against drafting Johnson has been that he duplicates what we have in Casspi. When I watch that mix tape, though, it looks like he brings a level of athleticism that I’m not sure Casspi could match. I don’t recall Casspi playing above the rim nearly this much.

If we could take the qualities we like in Casspi (good shooter, good defender, good size, decent slasher) and add the quality of being a good finisher above the rim, that’s a player that sounds worth a #5 pick in the hopes that he could handle the 2.

Before the mix tape, I was thinking we’d take Cousins if he was there, and it would be an open field (Johnson? Aminu? Monroe? A wildcard like Whiteside?) if he wasn’t. After the mix tape, I’m hoping we take Cousins if he’s there and Johnson if Cousins is gone.

Which makes me feel like an absolute tool, because only tools are swayed by mix tapes.

by twasserm on May 26, 2010 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

this is completely asinine

but just from watching that mixtape, Johnson has some really cool looking dunk poses. There is the one handed windmill followed by running up the floor pounding his chest, and the two handed flush where he comes down with both his arms still up in the air … and then proceeds to run up the court either smiling or pounding his chest. good times!

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by wallywagon11 on May 26, 2010 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Watching the mix tape is asinine especially coming off the Ricky YouTubio fiasco last season but I’m going do it anyways.

I read more into that Johnson could catch ball, take two steps than take off for a dunk around the free throw line. More importantly he did with good body control which is typically only found in the McGrady’s and Josh Smith’s of the NBA. His jumper looked good too, even hitting a few shots comfortably while defended. Looking at the combo of those skills I asked myself who can stop that in the NBA, I don’t think those plays can be stopped so he will be able to score.

In contrast watching Cousins on the video I didn’t see good NBA athleticism. Certainly no where near the level of Garnet, Amare or Rasheed Wallace (when he was good). As a big man if you are lesser athlete you need a strong post game ala, Gasol. I saw a tall body, somewhat athletic, so-so skill set and thought Erick Dampier type.

by bignerd on May 26, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Johnson is a bit more athletic, but Casspi is taller

The thing about Johnson is that he doesn’t really have any moves to the hoop, and Casspi does. Between the two I’d rather have Casspi, but I like Johnson. He’s a good shooter and athlete, and that usually works. I just think he’s more of a rotational player than a star unless he can learn to create some offense.

by nbrans on May 26, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which I think he can learn to do playing with Tyreke.

by oakland9 on May 26, 2010 12:09 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

So harsh on Monroe

Since you’re so harsh in saying Monroe reminds you of Hawes, I’ll make a harsh comparisson, too. Johnson looks like Donte Greene.

by CloudyEyes on May 26, 2010 12:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Not so harsh

I won’t be harsh, but I will admit that on that mix of Johnson, I only really saw 3-pt shots and alley-oop dunks. I do think that WJ is a better scorer and much more consistant that Greene will ever be.

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by dalt99 on May 26, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Donte Greene!

Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!

by Shizzo on May 26, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Donté is taller

but perhaps better at creating his own shot. Johnson is quicker, more explosive, a better shooter, and a much better rebounder.

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by Aykis16 on May 26, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

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