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Anatomy of a Prototypical Geoff Petrie Draft Pick

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Geoff Petrie (left) stands with prototypical Petrie draft pick (right)

One of the guys that has been getting a lot of recent burn as a potential lottery selection for the Kings is Greg Monroe. Invariably, there is a statement that runs something like, "He is a Geoff Petrie type of player," or "he could be successful in the Kings Princeton-style offense." Never mind the fact that the Kings really have not run the Princeton for the last couple of years, I am intrigued as to what kind of draft pick is a Petrie pick. I mean, I know that GP has had a penchant for signing certain types of free agents (prefers bigs that can hit a mid-range jumper), but is there a pattern to his 1st round draft picks? For brevity and relevance, let’s stick to the last ten 1st round picks.

 

Star-divide

Jason Williams (7th pick, 1998) – Williams was a bit of an unknown and arguably a reach at #7. He was a ball handling wizard and a halfway decent shooter with a spotty reputation, which included a background in imbibing in weed. Williams really didn’t really replicate any Petrie pick prior to J-Will’s selection or since.

 

Hedo Turkoglu (16th pick, 2000) – This pick cemented Petrie as an international man of mystery. Turkoglu marked Petrie’s 2nd foray into drafting 1st round Euros (Peja being the first), and if you include GP’s 2nd round selection of Dejan Bodiroga, Petrie was now regarded as having a leg up in the foreign markets. It would be another nine years before Petrie used a 1st round pick to draft his next foreign player.

 

Gerald Wallace (25th pick, 2001) – Wallace was very highly regarded coming out of high school, but a disappointing freshman year at Alabama dropped him into the lower portion of the 1st round. Wallace was known as a freakish athlete, but no one was sure how his game would translate to the NBA. The young man could finish with authority, but couldn’t really shoot a lick.

 

Kevin Martin (26th pick, 2004) – Martin was known as a scorer, but the ugly hitch in his shot, coupled with his small college background, had most NBA teams looking the other way.

 

Francisco Garcia (23rd pick, 2005) – Garcia was pretty well known for his leadership at Louisville, especially in the NCAA tourney. The question on Garcia was whether he did anything exceptionally. He was a good (but not great) shooter. He was a good (but not great) floor general. He was a good (but not great) defender. He was thought to be a pretty good pick at 23, maybe a guy that could have a decent NBA career.

 

Quincy Douby (19th pick, 2006) – Ah, the downside of selecting a guy that kills it in workouts. Douby shattered all known Kings workout shooting records, and the Kings were certain that they had drafted (at best) the next Bobby Jackson or (at worst) Eddie Johnson. They wound up with a ‘tweener that could not forge a niche for himself in the NBA.

 

Spencer Hawes (10th pick, 2007) – This was called a Petrie pick, but I just don’t see where any of the above mentioned players replicate Hawes. Certainly, one could draw comparisons to Vlade Divac (free agent) and Brad Miller (trade). But Hawes was the first of his kind as a Petrie draft pick. And it would have been interesting to see who Petrie would have chosen if he would have had his choice of Hawes, Joakim Noah and Brendan Wright (both were selected just prior to the Kings pick).

 

Jason Thompson (12th pick, 2008) – On the surface, this would fit that perceived mold of a Petrie player – a big guy that can handle, pass and shoot. But what we have found out about Thompson is that he has a little more banger in him and a little less polish on him. And as has been discussed around StR, Hawes and JT are really more different than they are alike.

 

Tyreke Evans & Omri Casspi (4th & 23rd pick, 2009) – The tough guy draft. The draft where we went away from white collar players in favor of blue collar players. And I’ll buy that to an extent, though I think that (especially) Garcia and Thompson are tougher than they are given credit. Petrie must have completely eschewed the shooting drill results when it came to Evans. Casspi fits the Turkoglu/Stojakovic mold inasmuch as he is a foreign-born player, but his game is more Shawn Marion than it is Hedo or Peja.

 

So, how does this help us determine who Petrie will select this year? Well, he will select either a guard, forward or center, between 6 and 7 feet tall, weighing somewhere between 165 and 245 pounds (sorry about that, DeMarcus). The pick will be male, and will hail from the planet earth. He will be a college or foreign player. If he comes from the college ranks, it will be from a larger or smaller school. He will be smooth or rough. The selection is likely to catch at least a few people by surprise.

 

And that is the definition of a Geoff Petrie pick. Really, it’s that simple.

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Petrie will try for an impact player

In today’s NBA, that’s someone who can shoot and score and usually plays the 1, 2 or 3, with apologies to Dirk.

After more or less whiffing with his last two big man picks, Petrie goes smaller and more athletic. I think he’ ll use the trade or free agent route to shore up the team’s big man deficiencies and will look for a Kendrick Perkins-type banger down low.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on May 31, 2010 4:00 PM PDT reply actions  

with apologies to Dirk

And Dwight. And Bogut. And Bosh.

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by tomroadrunner on May 31, 2010 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

and Jason Thompson....
After more or less whiffing with his last two big man picks

12.5 and 8.5 out of the 12th pick in the draft is not whiffing. Home run? No, more like a double that’s still rolling around in the outfield. Can he make it to third? Will he try? Will he get gunned down trying? These are questions for year three.

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by jjham15 on May 31, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

They traded for their best big man

and they’ll probably have to do it again unless you think the lineup they currently have up front is or will be deep playoff caliber.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on May 31, 2010 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have you ever looked at Landry's 2nd year numbers?

And if Landry doesn’t have a guy like Thompson or Scola standing next to him he never get’s a shot to improve because they rebound and he doesn’t. Landry is a nice player but Thompson does a whole lot of things that Landry can’t and won’t do.

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by jjham15 on May 31, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Landry is a polished offensive player

and has developed some consistency to his game. JT is a work in progress. If JT was Landry, they wouldn’t have had to trade for Landry.

But you’re right, JT is a hustle-energy player and if he bulks up and learns to play better D and gives you consistent play night in and night out, he may be able to compete effectively in this league. It’s all up to him.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on May 31, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you look at Landry's second stats?

A year ago, Landry averaged 9.2 points and 5 rebounds a game for Houston in his second year as a pro as a 25 year old. A 23 year old Thompson, again, in his second year, put up 12.5 points and 8.5 rebounds.

If JT was Landry, they wouldn’t have had to trade for Landry.

Landry is more polished offensively but if Landry rebounded like Thompson, he would be a near all-star player. The fact is, as much as the Kings need a Carl Landry, they also need a Jason Thompson.

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by jjham15 on May 31, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly JJ

I don’t understand how people are looking at 12.5 and 8.5 as failing, when he is one of 21 players in the NBA with those averages.

by MichaelMack on Jun 1, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those people are stupid and we are not.

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by jjham15 on Jun 1, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

i agree

i think landry is a player that we need on the kings. good shooter with good first step

by Mr. Know it all on Jun 13, 2010 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

How many rings

Do Dirk and Dwight and Bogut (Bogut?) and Bosh have?

Identify the best player on every team in the playoffs this season, and you will find for the most part they are 1s, 2s or 3s.

Now look at the Kings, and tell me how many impact players they have at those positions.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on May 31, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

How many rings does Tim Duncan have?

How many rings does Kobe has without Shaq or Pau Gasol? How many rings does Wade have without Shaq?

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by edm7 on May 31, 2010 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Forgot KG

He probably wasn’t an impact player on that Celtics team either, huh?

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by edm7 on May 31, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

So is DeMarcus Cousins

going to be another Tim Duncan or Shaq or Pau Gasol?

Probably a better question in the overall scheme of things is how good Tyreke is going to be.

Teams have shown they can win it all without a dominant big man, but not too many have won without at least one top-notch star at the 1, 2 or 3.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on May 31, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

What team won it all without a dominant big man?

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by edm7 on May 31, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

In recent memory, Detroit, Miami and Boston come to mind

Ben Wallace was a solid player in the Kendrick Perkins mold. Shaq and KG were past their prime and not the best players on their teams.

There is no doubt that Gasol adds a missing link to the Lakers, but they are Memphis without Kobe.

The 1, 2 and 3s dominate the action because they handle the ball more. That’s why you see Gasol basically disappear a lot. It’s not his fault, but that’s just the reality of the NBA.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on May 31, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Detroit is the only one

Shaq was the scond best player on that Miami team and they don’t win it without him. Garnett was equal to Pierce and Allen on that Boston team so they also don’t win it without him. So 1 out of the last 10 champions did it without a dominant big man.

Hell, even if I were to agree with what you said, 3 of the last 10 champions didn,t have a dominant big man. Is that the today’s NBA you;re talking about?

Anyway, keep having fun with your argument sir.

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by edm7 on May 31, 2010 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

There was also a team called the Bulls

They seemed to do pretty well without a dominant big man.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on May 31, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

So

Teams have shown they can win without a dominant big man. I don’t think any of those teams we talked about have won without at least one superstar at the 1, 2 or 3.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on May 31, 2010 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who is a super star on Detroit?

Billups was a very good player then but not a super star.

Ray Allen and Paul Pierce at the time of their championship, where no longer considered super stars.

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by jjham15 on May 31, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

change the wording from superstar to All-Star

2004 All-Star – Ben Wallace (also DPoY)
2006 All-Star – Shaquille O’Neal
2008 – Kevin Garnett was not on the All-Star team (he was 3rd in voting but did not play) – however he lead the Celtics in win shares (and rebounds). Oh and by the way, he was 3rd in MVP voting that season and was the DPoY.

by betweentheeyes on May 31, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Paul Pierce is still a superstar

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on May 31, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

In 2008 yes.

Not today he’s not.

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by pookeyguru on May 31, 2010 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess

24.3 points per game in the Orlando series, including 32 in Game 4 and 31 in the clincher, will just have to do.

I also seem to recall him stepping up to the line and making those clutch free throws followed by Carter missing his.

But you’re right, if he was really a superstar, he would have scored 36 instead of 32 in Game 4 and it would have been a sweep. Slacker.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on May 31, 2010 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

you are changing the subject

but arguing superstar v All-Star is an argument for another thread.
Paul Pierce has been great for most of the playoffs.

by betweentheeyes on Jun 1, 2010 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

And a 5 or 6 game series does not a super star make.

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by jjham15 on Jun 1, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Superstar numbers

Paul Pierce has averaged 22.5 points per game in an 11-year career in which he has played more than 80 games a year. I’m not sure who else has done that in the past 11 years, but I am sure it’s a pretty select list. He’s a superstar.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Jun 2, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Detroit is commonly mentioned

as one of the few NBA teams to win it all without a superstar. Five stars, though, who played together very well.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on May 31, 2010 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe the better thought is that championship teams have not necessarily had a dominant big man, but someone who could produce points in the post.

Duncan, Shaq, KG (somewhat outside the post a bit), etc., could all do this. Jordan could as well.

by sactoreg on Jun 1, 2010 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ben Wallace wasn't dominant?

He led the league in rebounding, won Defensive player of the year, and had a ton of steals.

Um, sounds dominant to me.

by MichaelMack on Jun 1, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shaq was still a stud- 20 and 9.2 in 30 minutes a game.

Ben Wallace won multiple defensive player of the year awards(4). Perkins is a rotational big. The year Detroit won the title, Wallace was a defensive anchor who finished second in the league in rebounding and blockshots.You are also omitting Rasheed Wallce- a very good offensive player and one of the top man on defenders in the league.

Garnett was unbelievable the entire championship run. Is he past his prime now? Yes, but not 2 years ago.

Gasol, Odom, Artest, Bynum- deep play-off team with or without Kobe.

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by jjham15 on May 31, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess the answer on DeMarcus Cousins

is no.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on May 31, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

How many rings does Shaq got without Kobe or Wade?

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by pookeyguru on May 31, 2010 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

A single player does not make an argument.

Wow, you are trying hard to think very little.

How many rings Do Dirk and Dwight and Bogut (Bogut?) and Bosh have?

The same number that LaBron, Chris Paul, Steve Nash, D-Williams, Brandon Roy, Kevin Durant, Joe Johnson and oh yeah, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Patrick Ewing……..

The list goes on and on of players who haven’t won a championship.

Identify the best player on every team in the playoffs this season, and you will find for the most part they are 1s, 2s or 3s.

You’re right, use 60% of the starters as your argument. No player makes the playoffs by himself. Best player be damned, of the final 4, Kobe has a team of all-stars, Rondo has 3 HOFers, Howard and Amaré were the best players on their team but again, they were flaked by players like Nash, Carter and Lewis.

Boo.

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by jjham15 on May 31, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Kobe has a team of all-stars"

How many All-Star teams have Ron Artest, Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum and Derek Fisher made?

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on May 31, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Artest has made 1 All-Star team

None of the other 3 have.

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by pookeyguru on May 31, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gasol has three appearances.

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by jjham15 on May 31, 2010 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know that.

But that isn’t a fleet of All-Star’s playing with Kobe Bryant. Odom’s never made an All-Star game. Artest made the All-Star game in 2004. I’m pretty sure a 6 year gap doesn’t mean recently. Rashard Lewis has made a couple of All-Star games in Seattle & 1 in Orlando. Does that mean Lewis is that much better than Gasol?

Ray Allen, Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett have at least 30 All-Star appearances between them. Including several of which weren’t deserved in each’s case. Rondo has made an All-Star game.

You can argue whatever you want about Kobe playing with a fleet of All-Stars, but it takes multiple stars to win in the NBA. That’s true regardless of whomever the star is.

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by pookeyguru on May 31, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

All-Star & Brad Miller

Mwahahahahahahahahahahaha.

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by pookeyguru on May 31, 2010 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Howard and Amare
Howard and Amaré were the best players on their team but again, they were flaked by players like Nash, Carter and Lewis.

Both Howard and Amare have a tendency to disappear. Steve Nash is the most important player on the Suns, and they gave the Lakers all they could handle.

Carter and Lewis were no-shows and a big reason why the Magic were eliminated. Jameer Nelson was a big part of why they managed to pull out a couple of victories.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on May 31, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amaré and Howard-

Best players on their teams today.

Both Howard and Amare have a tendency to disappear. Steve Nash is the most important player on the Suns, and they gave the Lakers all they could handle.

You are changing the rules mid stream. Nash may be really important but in the Lakers series, it was him who disappeared, not Amaré. Howard is the only reason Orlando has made it to the Eastern conference and league final in the last two years.

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by jjham15 on May 31, 2010 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nash

The Lakers did a great job doubling him and keeping him from going to his right in the first two games. Still, he averaged 17.7 points and 11.8 assists per game in the series and almost singlehandedly shot them back into Game 5. Not too shabby.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on May 31, 2010 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nash is the best player on Phoenix not Amar'e

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by Aykis16 on May 31, 2010 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

for adding some common sense to the mix.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on May 31, 2010 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Surprised to see that much debate about this

I’m pretty sure that you could successfully make the same argument using any three positions.

by markdog333 on Jun 1, 2010 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

The pick will be male, and will hail from the planet earth. He will be a college or foreign player. If he comes from the college ranks, it will be from a larger or smaller school. He will be smooth or rough. The selection is likely to catch at least a few people by surprise.

Well damn, that leaves Marvin the Martian out of the selection process 214. You’re such a hater dude.

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by pookeyguru on May 31, 2010 4:08 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

And that Martian's got some shooting skills, man.

Didn’t you see him posterize that duck?

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on May 31, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

If I had a plutonium space modulator

I’d shoot lights out too!!!

the Bene Gesserit rite.

"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."

Frank Herbert, Dune

by SeattleRoyalty on May 31, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

That explains why he passed on Anthony Randolph for JT

#vfettkefordraft
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by vfettke on May 31, 2010 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Other than Anthony Randolph is a clone of a toad.

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by pookeyguru on May 31, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

A really skinny toad.

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by jjham15 on May 31, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I just picked up a Marvin the Matian t-shirt.

The boys love it.

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by jjham15 on May 31, 2010 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

For them or you?

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by pookeyguru on May 31, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Myself- they have no clue who he is but he's cool looking.

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by jjham15 on May 31, 2010 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL yeah

Kids are good that way. Less cynical.

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by pookeyguru on May 31, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

If your trying to imply that there is not stereotypical Petrie player

then just say it and stop beating around the bush, and being mysterious.

Section214 man of mystery. I like it. ;)

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by HighTops on May 31, 2010 4:26 PM PDT reply actions  

That's true

If you read the post closely, it turns out to be “fuck if I know!”.
Still a good read though

There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.

by ElRonToro on May 31, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is why you should never read my posts closely

They are all “f*ck if I know.”

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by section214 on May 31, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

Nice

Rec’d for self awareness!

There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.

by ElRonToro on May 31, 2010 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Fuck if I know" should be your personal motto

That way even when someone asks you what your personal motto is your answer will be “fuck if I know”

#vfettkefordraft
"The Kings will get a top 3 pick in the 2010 draft. Book it!"

by vfettke on May 31, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think we can try and deduct a few more things from Petrie's picks.

1) All of them ended up in a King’s uniform.
GP doesn’t like to trade picks. As was pointed out on several occasions, he just picks who he likes without looking at how he’s rated on draft boards. I’m still not sure if that is a positive or a negative thing.
2) None of his picks were standout defenders.
Garcia was viewed as no more than an able defender, and perhaps Tyreke as well (correct me if I’m wrong). This bothers me the most, since I strongly believe that good defense is the key to going deep in the play-offs. Phoenix is the exception that confirms the rule, IMO.
3) Most of the picks seem to have mainly well-developed offensive skills.
Don’t mention Brockman, he was taken as a clear role player in the second round. It seems that GP doesn’t like players who are not much of a scoring threat. That doesn’t bode well for Aldrich, I suppose.

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on Jun 1, 2010 3:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is pretty good. Spot on really.

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Jun 1, 2010 6:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Huh?

Brian Grant? Michael Smith? Tariq Abdul Wahad? Patrick Ewing Jr?

Most of them didn’t have well developed offensive skill and all of them are better at defense than offense.

by beb0p on Jun 1, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was refering to the first round picks of the last ten years here above

I assume that GP has evolved throughout the years as a person and as a GM, so I think ten years is about right.

Smith and Ewing were 2nd round picks, and I think GP tends to pick certain skill sets in the 2nd round (like Brockman). Brian Grant was a good rebounder, but also the top scorer in eacvh of his four years at Xavier. I don’t think he was specifically drafted because of his defense. Abdul Wahad is the odd one out, I guess. But I’m not sure of one pick 13 years ago disproves the points I made here above.

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on Jun 1, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gerald Wallace? Jason Thompson? Omri Casspi?

No one drafts Brain Grant for his offense, no matter how many pts he scored in college. Just like no one drafts Jason Thompson for his offense. Just as Gerald Wallace was anything but a polished offensive player when he was drafted. And if Petrie wants guys who are polished offensive player but don’t care about their defense he would have drafted Anthony Randolph instead of JT and Sam Young or Marcus Thornton instead of Omri Casspi. Young and Thornton are not bad defenders but they don’t provide the same hustle and size that Casspi does.

The fact is, almost as many of his picks are of the hustle/blue collar variety as the fancy shooters.

by beb0p on Jun 2, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know if I entirely agree

I think Thompson was known much more as an offensive player at Rider than a blue collar/hustle guy. If Petrie wanted defensive prowess he could have drafted not only Randolph but Robin Lopez as well. Though with Hawes there were plenty of indications that he wanted Noah instead.

by nbrans on Jun 2, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're on the right track.

Thompson was indeed a good offensive player at Rider, and it was reported in the Bee that Petrie walked out of the Rider game disappointed at JT. JT didn’t get on the radar until after the workout started and he proved that he can be a very good rebounder and hustle guy. Again, the offense was secondary to his defense.

Petrie didn’t draft Robin Lopez because 1) we already have a center. 2) He wanted a PF. 3) He prefers JT. You can’t throw Lopez out there as a counter point when Petrie drafted a rebounder/blue collar guy at the same draft! If Petrie had drafted Anthony Randolph or Maresse Speights then sure you had an argument, but not when it was JT who was picked.

And yes, all the leaks said Petrie really, really wanted Noah.

.

by beb0p on Jun 2, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

We already have a center? I guess we do have a center of roughly R. Lopez’s caliber, if not characteristics.

by DustyG on Jun 2, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hawes may not be Petrie’s first choice but you can’t give up on him after just one season, and picking Robin Lopez would have been that at worse and creates a logjam at the center who two guys that need mins at best. Plus, I still think Thompson is a slightly better player than Lopez.

Out of the big men Petrie has ever drafted, all but Hawes and to a lesser extend Jabari Smith, weren’t blue collar type. Brain Grant, Michael Smith, JT, Jerome James, Corsley Edwards all have one thing in common, they do the dirty work.

by beb0p on Jun 2, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Getting Cousins is what we need

Most of GP’s picks have been good but I really think he should snag up Cousins because I feel that Greg Monroe is too much like Hawes and Cole Aldrich is another Joel Pryzbilla. We need someone who can bang, block shots, & rebound.. If Cousins if off the board then I don’t know where I front court goes from there.

by c-rich on May 31, 2010 4:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Cousins is the next Benoit Bejamin or Oliver Miller, so I’ll pass. He will take either Wes Johnson or Aminu.

by recashflow on May 31, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah...reminds me of an old proverb

He who speaks with knowledge of what GP is going to do is never right.

There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.

by ElRonToro on May 31, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

This works for me

From know on I’m going to claim that I know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Petrie will not pick DeMarcus Cousins

#vfettkefordraft
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by vfettke on May 31, 2010 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

You shall be proven wrong my ignorant friend !

Wait, I see what you’re doing here….

There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.

by ElRonToro on May 31, 2010 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on May 31, 2010 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Celestally speaking, I am fairly certain the Kings next draft pick will come from within the Milky Way galaxy

after that, I’m with you Section; who knows?

I don’t think last year’s draft was a fluke. If he is available, I don’t think GP would have a big problem drafting DeMaCuz though no doubt he would prefer Favors. Cuz is a tough banger with attitude who allegedly can shoot the rock from 15 feet. I don’t think that Petrie was surprised by Casspi’s toughness at all.

This really appears to be a 5 man draft with a noticeable drop off in talent after the 5th pick. The things about Petrie that can be sussed out is that he is very intelligent, he has a talent for finding talent where others don’t and he is not so rigid that he can’t learn from his mistakes. The things that are totally necessary to get past the 2nd round in today’s NBA are toughness, length and defensive discipline (or at least the ability to learn to play defense).

I’m going to leave it to my NCAA mentor AnotherStupidSN to pick the player that brings length, toughness and defensive capability and failing that possibility maybe nbrans.

So that’s who I think Petrie is going to draft with the 5th pick: the player that best brings the best combination of at least a moderate offensive game, toughness, length and an ability to grow into a strong defensive presence. Who is that player? I have no idea.
 

"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson

by Bluejohn on May 31, 2010 5:08 PM PDT reply actions  

It's not just the picks that created that stereotype

It’s the trades/signings of Divac, Brad Miller, Chris Webber etc and the general Kings’ play style this decade. I’m sure he had something to do with all of those things. Still… he brought Artest and picked Wallace so there’s no point talking about stereotypes.

The “Surprise Petrie Pick” chance is stronger than the “Soft and Finesse Tall Shooter Petrie Pick”.

by ZenBaller on May 31, 2010 5:51 PM PDT reply actions  

A thought a prototypical Geoff Petrie draft pick is one of immediate shock that typically draws boos and scorn from the Sacramento fan base and all draft pundits except Jay Bilas, who explains he’ll hold judgment based on the track record of the guy making the pick.

by bignerd on May 31, 2010 5:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Nailed it!

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on May 31, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually there is a new trend, but we don't have enough data...

“Toughness” is key to understanding the direction of GP’s ongoing picks. He is going after “tough” players. His acquisitions of late have been tough guys.

Casspi – Former Israeli solder. Enough said.

Landry – The dude that gives Nowitzki nightmares and that took bullet in the leg.

Nocioni – Tough guy in a real serious way. Playing on torn meniscus can’t be fun.

Brockman – His brockness is all that needs to be said here..

Evans – As really the only one that isn’t some prototypical tough guy, but clearly is a grown ass man.

We can look for one tough hombre that is NBA ready. That is all I would say is guaranteed.

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on May 31, 2010 6:19 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Actually

Casspi had an office job in the army, so he would have enough time to keep training and playing. They have a special, not so intensive army program for top athletes in the IDF.

But I hope toughness is something PW looks for. Especially for the frontcourt.

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on Jun 1, 2010 5:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's the thing with Petrie

You really never know who he is going to pick. He could choose Gordan Heyward for all we know.

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"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn

by 49er16 on May 31, 2010 6:31 PM PDT reply actions  

The idea of a "Petrie Pick"...

…is mostly just an attempt to recapture the success we had ‘99-’06. We’re going to become a contender again, but it’s not going to happen the same way it did back in those days; Divac, Webber and Miller were all unique talents with a certain set of skills that we’re probably not going to see put together en masse like that for a long, long time.

by napg on May 31, 2010 6:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Hey guys suns fan here; i loved this team in the early 2000's you guys were formidable foe to my then favorites; lakers

anyway, i was discussing this with my friends and i think that if you guys could get demarcus cousins and whoop his ass into shape or you get wesley johnson to fit your sf needs then you guys will surely become a contender in a few years. I love how thompson, tyreke is simply a beast. I dont know what would happen to hawes with cousins but again you get him right and he will be infinetly be more productive than a rebounding averse spencer hawes. Good luck guys, i hope you guys get the perfect fit; i want to see this team win a championship

Amare+Lopez+Clark=Frontcourt 2011

by Bkj on May 31, 2010 8:55 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Sounds like...

In a few years your new favorite team will be the Kings

by Doors Open on May 31, 2010 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think one of the determining factors that is not included is Coaching

Geoff Petrie is a listener. A pensive postulator of potential. He does not operate in a vacuum.
The constants: Scotty Sterling, Wayne Cooper and Jerry Reynolds, Coachie, Joe and Gavin Maloof.
The variables: Adelman, Musselman, Theus, Westphal (sorry Kenny).

I don’t believe that Mr. Petrie picks a guy and doesn’t involve the opinion of others.Last season, I have to believe that Tyreke nailed his workouts – but that was a series of workouts that had Westphal involved. Petrie might be responsible for the selection but he is not the one who will be coaching the player.

This season the selection process will involve the constants along with Coach Westphal and I will add Jason Levien, the rest of the coaching staff (sheesh, that would be: Eyens, Elie, Gates, Robinson, Abdur-Rahim) and as he was involved in the interview process: Bobby Jackson (scout). I count: 14 and would add Mike Petrie and both Youngman and Shapiro on the athletic trainer side. That is 17 total.

Fortunately, I see no mention of PookeyGuru (or any other StR member on that list). I also excluded John Whisenant and Ailene Voison.

by betweentheeyes on May 31, 2010 11:56 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

I was thinking the same thing when you posted
I think one of the determining factors that is not included is Coaching

Geoff will find a player that fits into the overall team direction and playing style that Westphal has started. It seems to me (and Spencer) a face-up, mid-range shooting bigman with passing ability doesn’t fit where this team wants to go. While those skills are helpful, things like rebounding and demanding low post double teams are more important. The trade for Landry made this clear (well, the double team part anyway). I just don’t see Petrie drafting Monroe for this team. 3-5 years ago maybe, but not now.

"Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want...and I have plenty of experience!" -Jerry Reynolds

by GlassCleaner on Jun 1, 2010 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is the NBA norm - you draft for the team AND the Coach

Utah picks Jerry Sloan compatible players, San Antonio drafts Greg Popovich compatible players, etc. Of course, those teams, due to their constant success, do not get a crack at the Top 5 and have more specific needs in mind when drafting in the later part of the (1st and 2nd) rounds.
I think an added question to the query: who will Geoff Petrie draft is the wonder:
Who would Paul Westphal draft?

by betweentheeyes on Jun 1, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

for alliteration…
“pensive postulator of potential”
Well done sir!

"he looks like he is going to take a bite out of a huge invisible sandwich..." - wallywagon11

by Sacto_J on Jun 1, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

GP is a solid GM, no more, no less

Some of the picks were good, some were bad, and some were simply the apparent BPA. He will take a player that he believes can help the Kings in both the short and long term. As 214 has shown, there is no such thing as a GP pick. IMO, a Petrie pick is similar to any other tenured GM (D. Walsh, M.Kupchek, Colangelo…) its the player that they think will help the team the most. Either way, on that list, every player is still active and only 4 of them still play for the Kings. Meaning that no matter who we pick this year it is likely they wont dramatically change the team next year. Any improvement the team has will be because of what Reke, Omri, Donte, JT, Landry, and so on do. While a rookie might have an impact, even a player of Reke’s caliber accounted for 8 more wins. With that said, I really hope that whoever GP takes ends up being more like Reke than Douby

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by King7420 on Jun 1, 2010 12:02 AM PDT reply actions  

as do we all, GP included
I really hope that whoever GP takes ends up being more like Reke than Douby

by betweentheeyes on Jun 1, 2010 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

GP more than anyone

If the Lakers were on channel 5 and there were a bunch of frogs making love on channel 6, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy!

by King7420 on Jun 1, 2010 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Brilliant Post

Simply brilliant. Rec’d.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jun 1, 2010 5:02 AM PDT reply actions  

BPA, BPA

Douby was not BPA – he was a crazy reach for a team with plenty of holes that didn’t yet know it had plenty of holes, which is how a 50-win team can decline to 17 wins in 3 short years.

The only player fitting Douby’s profile that’s had high level of success over past 10 yrs that I can think of off-hand is Jason Terry.

Even in the lottery picks, you often kill yourself when you draft for positional need, like the best 4 on the board. Take the best player on your board regardless of position.

And that should be Johnson, Favors or Cousins. And let the chips fall …

by Watty4ever on Jun 1, 2010 6:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Respectfully disagree regarding Douby

Had they been drafting for need, they would have chosen Rondo, Farmar or Williams, as they needed another PG at the time. Douby came in to workouts and blew the Kings away with his shooting, so they selected him, as they thought that he was the best player available.

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by section214 on Jun 1, 2010 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Didnt they draft for need...

but with the idea that Douby could fill that need?

by DustyG on Jun 2, 2010 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well,

Douby was certainly not a PG when they drafted him, so I don’t see how it was a “need” pick. They took what they thought was the best player avaiable, with the hope that they could eventually mold him into at least a hybrid 1-2.

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by section214 on Jun 2, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

…thus filling a need.

by DustyG on Jun 2, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Using that logic,

every player is a need pick, as every team needs players. Evans was a need pick, because they needed of rookie of the year. Casspi was a need pick, because the 23rd pick came up and the Kings needed to draft someone.

It is my contention that had the Kings gone with a true “need” pick, they would have selected Williams, Farmar or Rondo – guys that were already PG’s.

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by section214 on Jun 2, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well

you are saying they needed a 1, and that since Douby wasnt a 1, it wasn’t a pick out of need. But it seems to me like the Kings needed a one and drafted Douby to suit that need…they may have been picking the BPA too, but I think need was a part of it.

by DustyG on Jun 2, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

I don’t think that I agree, but your opinion is at least as valid as mine.

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by section214 on Jun 2, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Call me crazy

But it seems to me Petrie tends to drafts athletes in the first round and when there aren’t any available he ends up picking a player with a high skill set.

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on Jun 1, 2010 9:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Another prototypical draft trait - The player has to be a gym rat.

Jason Williams had character concerns but the Kings knew he was constantly in the gym playing basketball. A main reason cited for picking Jason Thompson was again all the time he liked spending in the gym playing/practicing basketball.

In fact as you go down the list almost every pick fit the gym rat mold. Possibly exceptions include Gerald Wallace but when you are picking at #25 you can occasionally guess on a young kid. Spencer Hawes is probably another exception, but the Kings weren’t targeting Spencer . . . they were left with Spencer. Joakim Noah was the Kings preference, a gym rat.

by bignerd on Jun 2, 2010 3:06 PM PDT reply actions  

I wonder if Petrie

will gaze as adoringly at this year’s pick as he did at Evans in the above pic.

That’s a dude with a man-crush if I’ve ever seen one.

by BPaoliano on Jun 2, 2010 4:47 PM PDT reply actions  

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