Tyreke Evans Busted for Reckless Driving
by Tom Ziller on Jun 1, 2010 4:56 AM PDT
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PrintTyreke Evans was reportedly driving over 100 miles per hour on I-80 near Antelope Road when cops pulled him over and cited him with reckless driving Monday. The incident went down around 7 PM. Evans was driving a black Mercedes and had one passenger. Police said Evans was cooperative. He has a court date in July.
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i can’t blame tyreke for a second. with the weather we had this weekend, if my kia wouldn’t shimmy at 50mph, then i would have done at least 60mph with the windows down and Rush cranking in my 4" speakers.
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Headline was wrong, it was Nocioni.
Still feeling full of amnesty?
He’s god damned lucky the cops pulled him over before he killed someone, or got Hurleyed.
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by andy sims on Jun 1, 2010 6:34 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Come on Sims
This is just kids being kids, dontchaknow?
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/crime/archives/2009/08/reckless-drivin.html
http://esteybomberger.com/blog/category/reckless-driving/
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Otis
I am sorry if you lost somebody to a reckless driver, but to say that this is tantamount to killing somebody is hyperbole to the extreme. To say it is no big deal is way too dismissive as well.
You are way over the top here.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
I never said this was tantamount to killing someone
I’m just saying it can’t be pooh-poohed as no big deal. These type of incidents can and have turned out tragically for both drivers and innocent bystanders.
You’ve already determined the arresting officer went overboard in cuffing Tyreke and his passenger. That’s way over the top, considering you have no facts to back it up.
Pacifist ass-kisser
Way over the top?
I don’t think so. What cooperative white guy gets cuffed for speeding? Come on.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Reckless driving, not just speeding
What are the facts at your disposal that show the officer acted inappropriately? In the linked fan shot, I think wallywagon’s made a pretty compelling case as to why we might want to wait for the facts before judging the police on this matter.
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Blah,
Going to work so last post until a bit later. Let me just say that a cop dishing out a reckless driving ticket it up to the cop. They choose to do that or not. They can clearly do that, but it is up to them. I have no problem with their choice, but it is a choice.
You don’t answer my question and are ignoring it. What cooperative white guy gets cuffed? I mean seriously this doesn’t happen unless they have been drinking or caused an accident.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Really?
I mean seriously this doesn’t happen unless they have been drinking or caused an accident.
How do you know this? I mean, are you familiar with every reckless driving stop of a white citizen by the CHP?
Pacifist ass-kisser
Obviously this is going nowhere
I am done. If you don’t want to hear it that is fine Otis.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Agree
You’re absolutely right, Otis. Driving 100-plus freaking miles an hour on I-80 is the kind of jackassery that doesn’t just put your own life at risk, it endangers every other person on the freeway.
Morally, it’s not that different from running through the streets firing a pistol in the air.
I really don’t understand why Mustang’s felt the need to A) criticize you for being outraged by outrageous behavior, and B) drag race into it.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Word.
What cooperative white guy gets cuffed? I mean seriously this doesn’t happen unless they have been drinking or caused an accident.
Some choose to ignore this.
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by JETisKing on Jun 1, 2010 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was a very cooperative white guy years ago
when I got cuffed. The police wanted to check out some things in my vehicle, and they deposited me (cuffed) in the back of their car. No harm, no foul.
Is there racial profiling? Absolutely. Does it happen every time? No. Did it happen this time? Does not appear likely.
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Yeah
The cops are clearly have it in their minds to put out the Jewish threat. Way to fight the good fight 214!
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I think Mustang is wrong, but what the hell did he say that was remotely racist?
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The assumption
that Tyreke was treated differently by police purely for reasons of his race without any specific knowledge of the incident reeks of race-based thinking. And, frankly, I’m sick of the black male as constant victim nonsense. If you don’t want to get hand cuffed and placed in the back of a police vehicle, then don’t do 100 miles per hour with tinted windows.
And the fact a person has studied sociology, an area of academics populated almost entirely by Marxists, socialists, and others who see actions and motives through the lens of race, gender, and class rather than right and wrong only reinforce my first impression of the comment.
The simple response to this incident is that Tyreke, who is obviously a decent and driven young man (with emphasis on the young) made a foolish mistake and paid a, frankly, small price for it. I suspect he will get a scolding from his family and from team management. And I’ll be very surprised if this ever happens again because he seems like a guy who is driven to succeed, which means learning from mistakes and always trying to improve.
The simple response to this incident is that Tyreke, who is obviously a decent and driven young man (with emphasis on the young) made a foolish mistake and paid a, frankly, small price for it. I suspect he will get a scolding from his family and from team management. And I’ll be very surprised if this ever happens again because he seems like a guy who is driven to succeed, which means learning from mistakes and always trying to improve.
by Kusian on Jun 1, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Challenging and Understandable
It really is understandable that when faced with a complex and puzzling world that people try to boil down things to have really simple meanings. It is just how we seem to be made or at least many of us. We try to put everything inside a box with a label we have assigned to help us understand what we encounter.
Sociologist – pinko commie marxists
Cops – Either heros or villains
MustangMBS – racist
In reality the complexities of social issues, just society in general, and even people are never so simple or easily broken down into boxes to fit our own need to have a simpler life. The struggle between understanding things outside of our own need to simplify reality is definitely a challenge.
Unfortunately, those stereotypes created, those boxes, that help us assign meaning to the world and understand it are often what drives subconscious misconceptions. They are often the cause of many social ills, such as racism.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Pot meet kettle. Read your original post.
BTW, we now know that he was driving at speeds up to 130 miles per hour. Yeah, he got pulled out of that car because he was a poor, oppressed black male – not just an immature kid driving far too fast. You injected race into this discussion when there was absolutely no reason for it and now have spent several posts trying to write your way out of it. The time for reasonable thinking and long diatribles on the complexity of a multi-racial society past when you assigned racist motives to police officers whom you don’t know and waxed philosophic on a situation about which you were ignorant.
Hopefully, Tyreke wasn’t the only person to learn a lesson through this incident.
I did not assign anything. Your assumption not mine.
Perhaps you should reflect on the assignation of me as either racist or marxist and decide whether or not that puts you squarely where you are accusing me to be.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
That's some pretty strong imagery there Kusian
Yeah, he got pulled out of that car because he was a poor, oppressed black male –
Especially since no one has referred to Tyreke, or black people, as being opressed. And while race is being discussed, I haven’t seen anyone bring up the idea that being poor, or being percieved by the police as being poor may have had any influence on the event.
I think you might need to evaluate why you are so angry before calling others on this board racist.
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by 27freethrows on Jun 1, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think you need to check your definitions
racist – based on racial intolerance; “racist remarks”
racist – a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others
racist – discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion
I am a sociologist and have studied criminology. There are clearly different patterns of responses in law enforcement observed in the treatment of people that can be attributed to their race. It is pretty much an established pattern with plenty of literature to back it up.
I don’t think it is off the charts or unreasonable to say that a young black male is likely to be treated worse by cops than a white person. That is not a racist statement.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
I don’t think it is off the charts or unreasonable to say that a young black male is likely to be treated worse by cops than a white person. That is not a racist statement.
100% agree and all I am saying with my comments about this issue is that I wouldn’t want to rush to judgment saying the police officers in this one instance were wrong in their actions (I must admit though, I do wonder how and when the police officers drew their guns).
And I have some bias in this issue as I have family in law enforcement. For me personally just from what I have seen with work and family, I am much more concerned about racial profiling when it comes to people being detained for improper reasons then worrying about protective sweeps or a Terry vs. Ohio frisk.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
oh and would worry about cops with batons
All kinds of scary to me for all kinds of obvious reasons (beating, crushed windpipe choke holds, blanket party, up where the sun don’t shine, etc.)
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Hmmm
Pulling guns on a car that is speeding… Even going 100+… I mean that just seems over the top. I can’t wrap my head around that. Then to handcuff them. They probably searched their car. I mean you can see this quite a bit, but it is in Oak Park…
Cops usually cuff people who they view as a threat. It is pretty understandable. And, unfortunately, black males have been stereotyped as threatening.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
The reason given for the guns drawn
was because of the tinted front windows. This seems reasonable to me. Being a cop is a rough job. Better safe than sorry.
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I'd be kinda scared of Tyreke
If I pulled him over. Hes like 6-6 right?
REALLY?
Like I'm gonna change my signature
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If you look at the law
Which is here you’ll see that driving in excess of 100 mph has its own unique set of punishments.
Once you’re going that fast, you’re a different kind of criminal, not just a speeder. You also have reckless driving laws come into play here.
As a mom, I’ll tell you that if my 20-year-old son was pulled over in that spot for that violation, I’d be absolutely thrilled if the police cuffed him. I’d want him to be scared to death of the legal consequences, since being afraid of the physical consequences were not enough to keep him from doing something so stupid.
Also, when he was pulled over and the police pulled guns and ordered him out of the car, they did so because his windows were tinted and they couldn’t see who was in the car or whether or not there were weapons, much less figure out his race.
I think you’re completely overreacting to the police’s actions, Mustang.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 1, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Not hooked emotionally or anything here
And I agree that this should be a good lesson. I don’t, however, think I am overreacting at all. Having been pulled over and issued multiple speeding tickets in my life I would say that I have some experience in the ticket department and this was over the top.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Where your windows tinted? Did you have a friend in the car at the same time? Was it in fact a reckless driving (I think 20mph over)
I must admit (painfully) that when I was 17 I got pulled over and decided to turn my stereo down instead of keeping my hands on the stearing wheel. Next thing I got a cop yelling at me and a gun in my face. It was a lovely moment.
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Yep
Most people don’t realize it, but a very high percentage of cops who get shot are shot when pulling someone over. An expensive car driving 100+ at night with windows tinted so dark you can’t see inside is a HUGE warning flag to a police officer. What happened after I don’t know except that since he was released, it sounds like everyone behaved. I’ll bet the blue print team has a talk with "Reke. And I’ll bet he doesn’t do that again.
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I feel like an idiot
but I probably should have mentioned all of this that SavageBeast just said. It’s the most dangerous situation a highway patrol officer faces and is basically what keeps them up at night.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Yes, cops hate tinted windows
Lots of stories about cops getting shot that way.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Been pulled over for tinted windows
I got a fix-it ticket. Not guns drawn, but I wasn’t doing 100+ either
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
If you are a cop
and you see crap everyday and hear about shootings on routine traffic stops and you see a limo tinted black Mercedes speeding at over 100mph don’t you think it could be assumed that the person driving that car could be fleeing from something? They could not see inside the car, they wanted to make sure they were protected, that is why guns were drawn. If Tyreke was smart enough to roll his window down, which is common sense, that could have been avoided. I agree that cops do profile people based on race, but I don’t believe that is what happened here. I think if he got that good of a look at the driver he probably would have recognized him as Tyreke Evans (by the ’Reking Havoc chain).
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by prowseinthehouse on Jun 1, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Which is not to say that I wouldn't have tinted windows too if I was 'Reke
I’ll bet more accidents would happen by people seeing him in his car and gawking, or trying to follow him or whatever. I understand him having tinted windows and I understand the police pulling their guns. No harm no foul on either the windows or the reaction. The problem is that lots of people have dark tinted windows for much worse reasons
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
I agree
I think celebrities should have an exemption from the tinted windows law (Which I think is a ridiculous law but beside the point). They need their privacy and we should respect that, but if they get pulled over it is dumb to leave them rolled up.
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by prowseinthehouse on Jun 1, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Its not a ridiculous law
when you consider how advantageous it is for criminals to have these tinted windows.
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They are going to have them either way
and what I heard the official reason for having them was that it impedes your vision while driving. In other states they do not have the tinted windows law and I have not seen any evidence that it is more or less dangerous to approach a tinted windowed vehicle in those states.
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by prowseinthehouse on Jun 1, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
If you were a cop
Would you rather approach a car you can see into or one where you don’t know if a gun is being pointed at you?
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I'm not saying the cops were unjustified
but with or without the law people are going to have tinted windows, and smart enough people will roll them down when they are pulled over. I just don’t think the law is necessary and it prevents people like myself who would like the privacy and glare reducing benefits of front tinted windows from being able to get them even though we have no ill intention.
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by prowseinthehouse on Jun 1, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Re: Celebrity Exemption
I actually find the idea kind of amusing…to carry that out, we’d probably need some legal standard for celebrity. Next thing you know, people will be running around saying, “Hey! I’m a registered celebrity!”
Nah,
It’s nothing official, and I’m sure it already happens. It’s just cops letting them off with a “warning” nothing more nothing less.
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by prowseinthehouse on Jun 1, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Really
I would just like the law erased completely though. It’s unnecessary imho.
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by prowseinthehouse on Jun 1, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Do Limos have tinted windows there?
Just buy one of them. Problem solved..
REALLY?
Like I'm gonna change my signature
C MON!
Mustang, If you've been pulled over "multiple" times
for speeding, how about getting a clue and SLOW THE FUCK DOWN.
If you wanna play fast and loose with your own life, fine, but how about being irresponsible in a way that doesn’t endanger others?
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Dont make it a race issue
There is a reason tinted windows are illegal. To bring race into this is side stepping the issue.
Immaturity of a 20 year old.
This is a serious red flag. I don’t think we should draft him. Oh, wait. I thought this was about DeMarcus Cousins. Never mind.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 1, 2010 6:49 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Someones gotta say it..
“Wonder if they checked his ID”
REALLY?
Like I'm gonna change my signature
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by chenp22 on Jun 1, 2010 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
You think any car carrying that big of a load could make it over 100?
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 1, 2010 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, and bonehead move Reke.
This was not in the blueprint. You need to be smarter than this.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 1, 2010 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Ausies are strange
Nice link btw.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 1, 2010 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions
whatever
None of you have ever driven over 100 mph? really? this isn’t a big deal. if anything it’s better he got caught doing something like this as it’s likely to make him be more careful regarding all legal stuff going foward
No, I personally haven't driven over 100 mph
To answer something Mustang mentioned earlier – no, I haven’t been a victim (or had a friend/family member who was a victim) of reckless driving. But I see a handful of incidents reported in the local news every year where someone driving recklessly loses control of their car and ends up hurting or killing someone other than themselves or their passenger(s).
And as long as I spend a great deal of time driving around with my wife and 7 year-old daughter in my car, I’m not going to see this kind of thing as “no big deal”.
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I agree
Better that he gets caught while he is young. I did, I was driving over 100mph on the freeway got pulled over and ticketed. And that was just what they caught me doing. No doubt I could have gotten worse than a ticket if a cop was following me at just the wrong moment. But actually getting caught made a difference in how I drive now. It could for tyreke too.
Not on I-80 near Antelope. That's a pretty densely populated area. I wouldn't drive 100+ there. Sorry
Stupid move.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 1, 2010 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions
good point
I’m not very familiar with the area where this happened. I’m not saying I think it’s a smart move, just not a huge deal. He got caught doing something stupid, will pay for it and hopefully learn a valuable lesson.
Well now I am confused
I don’t think people are making a big deal out of the fact he was speeding. To say Tyreke was doing something dangerous and illegal and shouldn’t be doing it really isn’t making a big deal out of it. It’s a pretty simple “be more careful tyreke” comment and that’s it.
I actually think people who want to argue it’s unfair to handcuff him are the ones making a bigger deal out of this.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Although....
this isn’t as big of a deal as some are making it and as small of a deal as some are making it, I hope this is a wake-up call to drive a little bit more safely next time, getting into a fatal car accident is not good for Tyreke, his family, or the thousands of kings fans that idolize him.
Hope
GSOM is saying
they should rescind the ROY becuase Curry would never do this.
Obviously, he wouldn't.
Curry doesn’t even look old enough to drive.
by Webber's Ankle on Jun 1, 2010 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Considering I don't see a fanpost or fanshot there suggesting this
I am going to guess you mean “one or two people” at GSoM said they should rescind the ROY because Curry would never do this.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
damn sar' charsms
popping up all over the place
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
It is dangerous...or some might even say wreckless
but it is also something that I would expect someone his age with a care capable of going that fast would do. Traffic flows through there at 80 mph, so he was probably within 20 mph of the cars around him. I’ve looked at the speedo and caught myself doing 90 without even noticing, and i’m sure his care rides a lot smoother than mine.
That came out sounding like an excuse
I’m just saying that it is an easy mistake to make, and I would expect to be pulled over just as he was.
At least
It wasn’t from the scene of a shooting this time
NaSD=Not a Safe Driver
does this bring his true shooting percentage down because the cops pulled out guns?
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btw
there is a big discusiion on espn about this…
http://myespn.go.com/s/conversations/show/story/5238018
"I have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot...and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why... I succeed." Michael Jordan.
stay away, stay very far away
I can only imagine what kind of crazy goes on in there today.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
I couldn't resist
most people over there seem to be saying “why is this news?”
My take
Responses on this vary between two extremes. The reality, as is often the case, probably lies somewhere in between.
This should not be taken lightly, but we also shouldn’t waste energy condemning Tyreke for things that could have happened in this situation. We should not be insensitive to those who have been victims of reckless driving, either directly or indirectly.
Race does not appear to have been a factor, considering he was caught by an air unit and the responding car unit could not see inside the vehicle. But we should not deny that racial profiling happens.
Tyreke will pay for this, both with his ticket and with the damage to his reputation. Without regard to accuracy, in the eye of the public he is being labeled as “yet another young thug” (see the ESPN discussion boards that Surprise Team linked to). This will hurt him in endorsements and promotional opportunities. Luckily, it shouldn’t be a lasting impact unless similar behavior continues.
I personally think this should be chalked up as a lesson learned, and be glad nobody was hurt. He’s young and made a mistake. But this is an explanation, not an excuse.
With that, I’m done with this topic.
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by Exhibit G on Jun 1, 2010 9:08 AM PDT reply actions 11 recs
Yep, that is a good synopsis and I agree on all points. Reke'd
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Surprisingly so
Considering how hysterical that banana appears to be.
Maybe ExG was just having a bad day when the photo was taken.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 1, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Let's amend this
Youngster = Very big temptation to do something stupid.
Such is life, let’s not pretend money had anything to do with it.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
Well
I agree. But last time I checked money had at least a little to do with the car that was doing 100MPH, probably in second gear.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
I agree
One of my professors talked about it in class this semester (it was completely unrelated to what we were learning so I have no idea why), but the prefrontal cortex, which is the part of the brain in charge of common sense, etc, doesn’t fully develop until the mid-20’s, and generally develops later in males than females. So many young people are going to do stupid things like this because their impulses tell them to and their brain doesn’t yet have a section telling them it’s a bad idea.
"That was the most offensive thing I have seen in 20 years of teaching and that includes an elementary school production of "Hair.""
My prefrontal cortex has no idea what you are talking about
Nor does it appreciate you trying to bring down our fun with your “rationalizations” and what not
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by prowseinthehouse on Jun 1, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
It is an area of the brain that is involved in planning.
Somehow, I think Tyreke has shown that his pre-frontal cortex is intact and well-developed by demonstrating his planned drives to the basket. Sounds like an argument an attorney would use in court to try to get his client acquitted of a crime. Tyreke knows the difference between right and wrong. As far as the argument of acting out of impulse – he was clocked for at least 7 minutes. That is way beyond an impulse. He doesn’t need any excuses. He just f***** up.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
He doesn’t need any excuses. He just f***** up.
exactly.
by UCIrvine kings fan on Jun 3, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Tyreke
got caught doing what likely every other young person is prone to do, which is to be oblivious to possible consequences. Most of us had a feeling of invincibility when we were younger. It wasn’t until we got older that we looked back on the things we did and wonder how we made it through unscathed. In some sad instances, that is not the case. I am sure he will learn from this he seems to be a smart guy.
It bothers me that people are turning this into a race issue. I read people accusing the action by the police as being unjust and racial and it wouldn’t have happened to a cooperative white person. Really? Circumstances are different in all such cases. It is impossible and defamotory to say that all police would handcuff one race and not handcuff the other. Speeding can be dangerous, but excess of 35 mph over the speed limit is reckless. If Tyreke came out and said he was unjustly treated, then it might be worthy of talking about. Until then, we have to assume it was handled correctly and stop pretending to know all facts surrounding this incident.
Point is
it isn’t Tyreke or the police making it an issue, therefore we as the general public can acknowledge that it was handled correctly.
Well, that's not necessarily true
Issues of racism (and sexism, etc) exist even if the victim (for lack of a better word) doesn’t care or doesn’t think it’s a big deal. I’m not saying that I think racism was necessarily involved, but I’m also not necessarily saying it wasn’t. But just because Tyreke doesn’t think it was (or isn’t saying publicly that it was) doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
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by Christina_J on Jun 1, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Although I disagree with those bringing up race here, I must admit I can see where they are at least coming from.
The image of someone getting handcuffed is a pretty powerful one and I think people often misinterpret as something bigger: a sign of guilt, shame, being a punk, or it is a symbol of police agression. I think this image carries alot of weight with it so I can understand people being worked up with the idea Tyreke got handcuffed for speeding, something everyone has done (granted not necessarily to this degree but it is something the general public can relate to)
On top of that we see the police responding with handcuffs, something we often see as a very powerful and horrible thing. Not only is it a powerful image, but I think we can all admit we would be pretty scared getting handcuffed whether it be for speeding or for anything else.
Personally I think instead of saying we are bothered people think about race in these instances, it might be better to just talk about what other elements are in play that are not racial. I can’t fault someone for jumping to race right away, it’s often the elephant in the room and on people’s minds. I am all for that discussion. I might not always agree but I think it’s a reasonable issue to address.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Jun 1, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I am all for reasonable dialog
I think that people want our society to be just and ideal, but we live in an imperfect world. We can and should aspire to higher ideals, but should not ignore that we often don’t reach them.
We should be able to talk about issues like racial profiling or differential treatment without saying cops are bad. They aren’t even when they do it. This stuff happens and there are reasons for it that would seem valid if it was your butt in the seat of the police car.
We need to get past vilifying individuals for social issues. These are termed social issues for a reason.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
by MustangMBS on Jun 1, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
this comment helped
in seeing where you are coming from (I am guessing from the above comment you are someone who knows the difference between racism and bigots. I have noticed this helps a great deal when discussing race)
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
sorry a bit confused
Tyreke is a public figure. Often we discuss issues in light of either public figures or very public events in society. I don’t see what Tyreke’s opinion has to do with us talking about his arrest. So if Rodney King didn’t want to talk about his beating, should everyone avoiding commenting about that? Sorry I just don’t see how Tyreke’s opinion affects whether we can talk about it.
Now if people running this website feel it is too much of a hot button issue and just want to stick to basketball and don’t want to get pulled into a huge political debate, then I can understand.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Jun 1, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Discuss it all you want
but to me the topic of discussion should be that he got speeding and was detained and cited for reckless driving. The area that I feel is all conjecture, is that he was handcuffed because of his race.
ok got it
And I would agree. I think there is ample information to draw a conclusion that everything was kosher with this stop. I obviously don’t know obviously but I don’t see another way of looking at it given the facts we have.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Jun 1, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
wow double "obviously" preceeded with using "kosher" to describe a police stop
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Jun 1, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
It must be a Calipari point guard thing
Didn’t Derrick Rose get busted for going over 100 mph back in ‘08 right around when he was drafted? Didn’t really seem to hurt his reputation or marketability. If I were John Wall I would keep a close eye on my speedometer, he’s next.
My take
While it is a stupid thing by Reke, its none of our buisness. We’re not the jury, and last I checked, if it doen’t hurt him on the court, i dont care. He needs to change his behaivor for himself, not for some fans.
-Yes, it was stupid.
-Yes, he was lucky he didn’t get seriously injured, or seriously injur or kill someone else.
-No, the cops didn’t go over the top (and followed the procedure for someone wrecklessly driving with tinted windows).
-No, yelling racist should not be your first instinct.
-Yes, Reke should learn from his mistake, but making excuses for him and blaming cops won’t help.
When I got pulled over for going 96, I didn’t yell at the cop or blame him. I shook his hand and said sorry. Sounds like reke did something similiar, and this story will dissapear soon. Stop digging for Kings news.
none of our business?
if I’m driving down 80 at the same time he’s driving recklessly, it sure as hell is my business.
Agreed
But is making a public circus about this going to make Evans change his ways?
Im not downplaying the severity
Just saying, are we discussing this from a public safety standpoint or a basketball standpoint? If we are going to disscuss him, are we going to discuss everyone else cited last night?
Only if they were doing 100+ when they got pulled over.
In which case I would say that they are all stupid, regardless of age, race, profession, or socio-economic status
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 1, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess Im just saying
Stupid – Yes.
Our responsibility to discuss it – No (Thats what judge/jury/lawyers/courts are for)
Everyone's missing the most important point here
He was driving over 100 mph to go to the park to play basketball.
That’s what I call passion for the game.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 1, 2010 10:52 AM PDT reply actions
Crap
Trey Kerby already made that joke, and he’s much funnier than I am, so I withdraw my amateur attempt.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 1, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Tyreke got a speeding ticket...
yawn
Oh, it was a reckless driving ticket, meaning he was at least 20 mph over the speed limit?
Was he drunk? No? Was he fleeing an OJ Simpson like stalker? No? Is there anything else to this story at all? Not really?
yawn
What else is on? (clicks the channel button on the remote…)
"he looks like he is going to take a bite out of a huge invisible sandwich..." - wallywagon11
It's a non-story
Despite what fears people may have (the Bob Hurley / Nocioni / Jay Williams type incidents,) there’s nothing to this. The facts are out and the facts are he’ll pay a bunch of money for the infraction, maybe get his license suspended for a bit, and then its over. He’s a good kid who got caught doing something that hundreds of people do every day on I-80. Considering all this, I’m glad that’s all it was, and since that’s all it was what’s left to discuss?
"he looks like he is going to take a bite out of a huge invisible sandwich..." - wallywagon11
Then move along
It’s seems Reke-diculous to complain about people chatting about something that doesn’t interest YOU.
Pacifist ass-kisser
It interested me
Until I saw it was a dressed up speeding ticket and not much else. I’ve seen less discussion on more interesting articles here, so don’t understand what the fuss is about. Just seems like some people are going a little overboard in terms of their reactions. Life happens, even to NBA players, and especially in Sacramento….
"he looks like he is going to take a bite out of a huge invisible sandwich..." - wallywagon11
Well, if he was indeed going 130
You might want to avoid the board completely for a few days.
Pacifist ass-kisser
a dressed up speeding ticket?
How many of us casually got a ticket for killing it at 130 MPH. My crappy Volvo station wagon was about to break apart at 90 (knew I should have gotten the one with the turbo engine. blast!)
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
I've restricted myself
from further comments on this issue. I won’t, however, be avoiding the boards for any reason other than the ban-hammer, which I would think my actions today are far from being the type that would merit such drastic measures. Respectfully disagreeing….
Sacto_J
(and Wally – turbo just means more $$ at the mechanic. They don’t always go faster because of it…)
"he looks like he is going to take a bite out of a huge invisible sandwich..." - wallywagon11
trust me the wallywagon (yes my name here is after the stupid name I gave my car) already costs me plently at the mechanic
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Ok, let's put it this way...
Tyreke Evans is pretty much the face of the Kings franchise. He is marketed relentlessly by the Maloof’s because he is a young and talented player who had an incredible rookie season.
Playing the “damn that media and their story-creation” card is silly when he is a high-profile person because of his occupation. You shouldn’t get butt-hurt because the media, the same outlets that the Maloofs push and market Tyreke to relentlessly, are reporting about this incident. Having a court date is not nothing. There is indeed a difference between reckless driving and a more serious crime, but he allegedly broke the law none-the-less. There is zero reason to be driving at over 100 on a freeway, it is just too dangerous. If Tyreke wants to feel speed there is nothing stopping him from taking his car to a drag strip or track.
I also do have to laugh at all the people (not aiming this at you) that will dismiss an incident like this and turn around and relentlessly attack Cousins for his character questions.
wow hold up
I also do have to laugh at all the people (not aiming this at you) that will dismiss an incident like this and turn around and relentlessly attack Cousins for his character questions.
First off, it’s not relentless “attacks” don’t characterize it like that. Second, I don’t recall Cousins breaking the law being an issue. Third, I have no idea who you would be referring to.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
I've driven on I-80 all the way from Iowa to California
and I can guarantee you that “hundreds of people” certainly do not drive on it at 130 freaking MPH! Not even out on the Salt Flats of Utah, and certainly not in the Sacramento Metropolitan area.
Driving at extremely high speeds on a public freeway is crazy-reckless, and if nothing else I’ve learned from this thread that I do NOT want to be heading up toward Auburn while several Grand Prix Driver wanna be’s who happen to be fellow Sactown Royalty posters are also on the road.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Do you know when we move on?
When people stop commenting.
This is one of those strories that interests me only to a certain amount, but it interests some people more and others less. What irks me is when someone ventures to instruct me as to what is and what is not worth discussing.
If folks aren’t interested, I respect that. Let them peruse one of the other two dozen non-Tyreke Evans stories that have been posted here within the last day and a half. But for those that wish to discuss this, let them discuss this! Frankly, I have found the conversation to be very insightful and interesting.
This is a one-sports town (sorry, Rivercats and Mountain Lions). When this stuff happens, it’s news. And as it is news, it is to be discussed here, until the conversation abates on its own.
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Nothing more, nothing less
I would never instruct you of anything. I am done today. Best regards.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
I wasn't responding to you specifically
Responding to some overall comments in this vein that are now popping up amongst the threads.
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Ah, good to know. Just coming back to close down and saw this post.
This stuff is really of interest to me, obviously, and I do apologize if taking a position offended anybody by taking a position on it.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
if it makes you feel better
I do the exact same thing when it comes to anything political. I am always itnerested in politics but it’s very touchy, especially in an environment where you really are not up in front of people face to face.
Either way, appreciate talkin to you about it. Have a good one.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
This is me
Not commenting on it anymore. No offense intended, no offense taken…
"he looks like he is going to take a bite out of a huge invisible sandwich..." - wallywagon11
Just be glad he wasn't driving a moped...
…signed
Warriors Fan
by Hoopachoo on Jun 1, 2010 12:49 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
wow
its a speeding ticket, oh to be young and invincible. that and remember the hysteria when K Mart in the article about him said he never used his seat belt.
Neither are good news stories but is it worth losing sleep over?
At least 'reke isn't hanging out with these guys:
"It's just like the story of the grasshopper and the octopus. All year long, the grasshopper kept burying acorns for winter, while the octopus mooched off his girlfriend and watched TV. But then the winter came, and the grasshopper died, and the octopus ate all his acorns. Also he got a race car. Is any of this getting through to you?"
by Apoet on Jun 1, 2010 2:57 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Hey guys off-topic question here:
why in the name of good god did the maloof bros. trade peja for crazy pills artest? It has been what three-4 years max and i still havent gottne over the devastation of that trade. I remember the good ol’ days when peja was one my favorites and he was such a fun player to watch
Amare+Lopez+Clark=Frontcourt 2011
Peja was in the last year of his deal,
and the Kings (rightfully) decided that he was not going to be worth $60+ million over the next 5 years. Rather than get nothing for him, they rolled the dice on Artest (they also allegedly had an offer that would have netted Maggette for Peja).
The problem with the Artest deal was that Ron turned that year’s team around, taking an 18-26 (pre-trade) team and getting them into the playoffs, which delayed the destruction and rebuilding process by a couple of years. In other words, the deal kind of hurt the Kings because Artest was too good a player, at least in the early going of his Kings stay.
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One thing I don't totally get
It just wasn’t clear from what I’ve read about this. I know that because Tyreke’s windows were really tinted that they couldn’t see inside and therefore had guns drawn when he was pulled over. I get that and it makes perfect sense. But is it common procedure to handcuff the people inside until you assess the situation? That seemed a bit crazy to me (especially since one of the cops probably recognized him) but if it’s standard procedure then I don’t have a complaint. If it isn’t though, then there could be a racial issue. Does anyone know if it’s standard procedure to handcuff someone in that situation?
"That was the most offensive thing I have seen in 20 years of teaching and that includes an elementary school production of "Hair.""
It's a fair question
especially given the potential for racial profiling, which is a serious problem. It’s also a question that I definitely don’t know the answer to.
But given that the car was traveling (reportedly) at upwards of 130 MPH, and was being tracked from the air for a full 7 minutes or more as it zoomed along I-80, I think it’s fair to say that:
A) the cops weren’t aware of the race or ethnicity of the people inside the speeding vehicle, and…
B) the cops were dealing with an unusual situation, not an ordinary traffic violation where a CHP car pulls somebody over for going 83 MPH where the posted limit is 70, or whatever. They were probably none too happy when they finally got that Mercedes off to the side of the road. Dealing with a relatively calm cop is better than dealing with an agitated cop, in my experience.
Personally, I think anybody who is pursued for that amount of time while driving at exceedingly high speeds (just about as fast as an ordinary car can go, actually) should not be real surprised if they end up in cuffs.
Not fair, very possibly, but not too shocking either.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
it doesn't necessarily matter if it's an unusual situation or not
Don’t get me wrong, there is an emergency exception to the rule but technically so long as you commited a crime they can at the very least do a protective sweap so long as its contemporaneous in time. The fact he was going 130 is in fact reckless driving per se (we have already surpassed the threshold of probable cause, it is flat out is reckless driving).
They didn’t handcuff him to embarrass him or throw him in jail. It’s a safety issue.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
You know the speed limit in Oz for Highways is 100kph
100k’s.
So 130mph is roughly 210kph!!!!!
I cant even imagine going that fast here.
The one thing I must say thats good about kilometers compared to miles. 100 subconsciously is faster than 65. Weird but it changed my driving habits.
REALLY?
Like I'm gonna change my signature
C MON!
That makes sense
I didn’t think it was necessarily racial, but you just never know. Which is depressing. But it makes sense that there would be safety concerns for sure.
"That was the most offensive thing I have seen in 20 years of teaching and that includes an elementary school production of "Hair.""
But is it common procedure to handcuff the people inside until you assess the situation?
Yes it is. There is quite a bit about it under the fanshot.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Gotcha
I’m pretty sure I haven’t looked at the fanshot, but thanks for letting me know!
"That was the most offensive thing I have seen in 20 years of teaching and that includes an elementary school production of "Hair.""
F*ck it.
As if any of us were perfect drivers when we were that age…with that car.
As it was said before – non story. Moving on.
Geoff Petrie, draft us an athletic big with post moves please.
Parting shot(?)
Is driving 130 MPH as dangerous as driving with a .08 alcohol level? Because while there is great disdain (appropriately) for drunk drivers, there are those that would like to say that Tyreke’s reckless driving was no big deal, or that it is a non-story.
Imagine had he wrapped his car around light pole. Now is it a big deal?
Kid made a mistake, and lived to talk about it. Thank heavens. But to call this a non-story or no big deal is ludricrous.
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I was wondering the same thing, I just was hoping to avoid having an angry back and forth
Is driving 130 MPH as dangerous as driving with a .08 alcohol level? Because while there is great disdain (appropriately) for drunk drivers, there are those that would like to say that Tyreke’s reckless driving was no big deal, or that it is a non-story.
The one and only way I don’t see it as being as bad is technically a DUI is a felony. Maybe someone can tell me why I am wrong, but I think killing at at 130MPH at 6pm on Memorial Day is aboust as reckless as drunk driving.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
I was thinking the same thing
Memorial Day, early evening is probably mostly families on the road…and quite a few intoxicated drivers as well. The 130 mph, plus the time and location is what really ticked me off.
Pacifist ass-kisser
Perspective
This is newsworthy and a big deal because it causes questions about the responsibility level and maturity of our new franchise player. Is this just the first of a series of screw ups? You just have to wonder given that history of past players and that we want to invest in believing in him.
By all accounts he seems to be a good kid, but maybe he has been sheltered too much by his brothers… We just don’t know and while a big deal we really need to keep it in perspective. Not to minimize what he he did, but instead to be real about it. This is an infraction under the law. That is because reckless driving in and of itself doesn’t necessarily inflict harm. There are other citations and violations when that occurs. Vehicular manslaughter would apply to any death and would come with a prison term, but that isn’t what happened. We have to deal with what did happen and not what could have happened.
He could have hurt somebody, but he didn’t. So this doesn’t rise to anything more than a stupid hazardous stunt. He went blazing down the fast lane which is thrilling, but has consequences and he will pay them as is appropriate. What he did doesn’t mean he is a bad person or anything else.
So, I would ask that all of you don’t label Tyreke as a bad person, troublemaker, or something. It is hard to get past those labels. At this point I think we should all assume that Tyreke is just a good kid who needs some life lessons and does stupid shit just like most kids. If he proves that wrong and that he is worse than this then we will all hold him accountable. As a community and fans of this team.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
To be fair
So, I would ask that all of you don’t label Tyreke as a bad person, troublemaker, or something.
I don’t think that’s been the viewpoint here, even from those of us who think what he did is kind of a big deal.
At this point I think we should all assume that Tyreke is just a good kid who needs some life lessons and does stupid shit just like most kids.
This is a bit of a cop-out IMO. I never did anything remotely like this when I was young, and I was no choirboy. Hell, my car in high school (a 68 Chevelle with a 327 V-8) probably could have gotten near that speed. I don’t remember any of my friends doing this kind of thing either, and some of them had cars they would take to the high school drags out at the Sacramento Raceway.
I just don’t see doing 130 mph on the freeway in the same category as most stupid stuff that kids (funny term for a 20 year-old “grown-ass man”) do.
Outside of these few caveats, the rest I agree with – I have no doubt Tyreke will learn from this and act appropriately in the future.
Pacifist ass-kisser
I say this because of the past baggage
Tyreke had the incident with his cousin and I can see people going there…
Also, it sounds like I was a bigger screw up than you so maybe I can relate better to this sort of stupidity. Multiple infractions (one at 120 mph on I-5), a misdemeanor, a felony, and a wrecked car all before turning 18 years old. I wasn’t much better at 20 years old either.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
I wish I could have been that lucky :)
The “bad” kids are supposed to get the girls, but no not me…
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
I don't hear people calling Tyreke a bad person or a troublemaker.
What I hear are people questioning is his judgment. Just speculating here: Perhaps Tyreke contemplated the consequences of his actions and figured that the worst that would happen would be that he would be pulled over and given a traffic citation for speeding. He can well afford the fine. Perhaps he did a risk/benefit analysis and didn’t think it would be any big deal if he were caught. He may have done this a number of times before, without being caught.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
It's true that most don't seem to be going there or calling him that
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
You ain't seen nothing yet
Just wait til Reke discovers strip clubs and three ways.
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