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Why is Derrick Favors in Sacramento?

Derrick Favors will work out for the Kings today. I can't really say he is working out with DeMarcus Cousins, although Cousins will also be working out for the Kings today. It's not really one workout. It's two simultaneous workouts. It's like China Mieville's novel The City and The City. I'm not sure Cousins and Favors are even allowed to look at each other, let alone guard each other.

I know why Cousins is working out for the Kings: it's about 50-50 in current thinking he'll be on the board and available at No. 5. The Kings taking Cousins at No. 5 is no sure thing, so Cousins needs to convince the Kings he's worth the so-called risk. Cousins working out for the Kings is equivalent to Tyreke Evans working out for the Kings last year.

But Favors? He's almost assured to be gone by No. 4, if not No. 3. For Favors to slip to No. 5, the Nets and Timberwolves (or whichever teams trade for their picks) would have to take Cousins in front of Favors (extremely unlikely) and either Wesley Johnson or Greg Monroe or Al-Farouq Aminu or someone in front of Favors (extremely nacho unlikely). There are no conceivable situation in my mind in which Favors is available at No. 5, assuming he doesn't have a stand-off with police while he's visiting Sacramento.

Star-divide

I see why the Kings would like to work him out -- you want to work out everyone you can. You'd invite John Wall and Evan Turner for workouts if you didn't fear getting hung up on. But I have no clue why Favors' agent consented to a workout in Sacramento. It'd make sense to me only if Favors' camp wanted to prove he could hang with Cousins and even outplay him. But from what I hear, Favors' camp has laid down the special rules: no one-on-one drills, no media.

It just makes no sense.

I'm not saying the Kings have intimated to Favors' agent (Wallace Prather) the team could try to move up to nab Favors if this workout turns out well. I'm not even sure that'd be an incentive for Favors' camp -- is Sacramento really looking healthier than Philadelphia or New Jersey at this point? It certainly wouldn't fit the Kings' M.O. But outside of something like this, I'm having real trouble figuring out what Favors is doing here.

Consider it a pleasant if maddening surprise.

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China Mieville reference? Nice

I’m currently reading “Perdido Street Station” and I have to say, the dude loves his thesaurus. Great story, but way way too many thesaurus words, when a simpler, more common word would have worked just as well.

As for the point of your post. I hope it’s because we are considering trading up!

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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 12, 2010 5:34 AM PDT reply actions  

That's what I'm thinking.

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by Slam_Dunk on Jun 12, 2010 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

This comment is going to drive me mad

It’s like that Lewis Black joke: “If it weren’t for that hourse I wouldn’t have spent that year in college.”

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 12, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

nice Lewis Black reference

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by Viliphied on Jun 12, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great question

It opens up a lot of speculation…

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by otis29 on Jun 12, 2010 5:49 AM PDT reply actions  

IntelI

I imagine that, if nothing else, Geoff Petrie always wants to be the smartest man in the room. While its a safe bet that Favors will be gone, if there’s any chance he may be available then Petrie will work him out.

As you said, TZ, the real question is why Favors’ agent would make Favors available to the team. Perhaps he’s hearing whispers and getting scared. Maybe it’s just trying to increase demand. But perhaps Prather hasn’t had much experience with the Kings, because I don’t really see them being a pawn for anyone’s draft stock.

Puzzling indeed.

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by Exhibit G on Jun 12, 2010 5:59 AM PDT reply actions  

I think it's a smart move

I’d be working out with any team that might have an interest in moving up. Unfortunately most agents seem to be stupid.

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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 12, 2010 6:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe Favors wants to play for Sac!

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by chenp22 on Jun 12, 2010 6:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not so sure

Would Wall come work out for the Kings? Turner? Nope. Because their agents are playing the angles that they don’t need to work out for lower teams, because they know they are top talents. I don’t think Favors’ agent is playing it right.

Prather seems to be more familiar with representing lower picks, and mostly in the NFL. His main NBA client is Josh Smith, and then Anthony Morrow. I honestly think it’s a case where an agent isn’t sure how to play the situation.

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by Exhibit G on Jun 12, 2010 6:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

See, I think that's the thinking of a loser.

If I know I’m the best I work out for everyone, and show it. Make those teams drafting in the teens do everything they can to move up. Hiding from a challenge? Fuck that shit.

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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 12, 2010 6:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I completely agree

But its what agents do. Especially if, for example, they know Favors isn’t great in workouts. But that would again bring up the question of why, if you’re not good in workouts, would you show that to even more teams?

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by Exhibit G on Jun 12, 2010 6:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe they hope we'll trade up for him.

Also, remember what happened to Donté. He wouldn’t work out for most teams and he ended up sliding way farther than he might have if he had worked out for some of those other teams.

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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 12, 2010 6:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Donte's body of work scared teams away too.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 12, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm just going to go with

Hey, There’s a big, thats likely to go top 3-4. If we get the chance to see what he can do in a workout, then that gives us a better indication of weather we think its worthwhile to move up. Without working him out, we’re kind of blindly making decisions. Its def interesting though.

I’m kind of hoping he does well, If he’s a franchise player or a number 2 on our team, then great, lets do it..!

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by chenp22 on Jun 12, 2010 6:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Agreed

The simplest answer is usually the correct one, so I think you’re right. Teams sometimes trade up to get their man, so Favors and his agent assume that’s why Sac wants to take a look. I whole-heartedly believe he’d rather be here than Minny (in case the Nets are crazy enough to pass.)

rec'd, +1, FTW, This.

by TheJust on Jun 12, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Regardless the circumstance...

what a great opportunity to work out both Favors and Cousins on the same day! Getting to see both work out as well as talk to them almost simultaneously should be a nice basis for comparison between the two. And if the Kings are seriously impressed by Favors, maybe Petrie tries to move up and get the kid…

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by Mcamp49 on Jun 12, 2010 6:16 AM PDT reply actions  

I think they're working him out

to see if he’d be worth trading up for. I’m with Pookey in that if the Kings did trade up it would be to try to take a Favors or Cousins.

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by Aykis16 on Jun 12, 2010 6:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Yep

That’s really the only scenario that makes sense. I seriously doubt the agent would make that obvious of a mistake (working out Favors for a team that really has no chance to pick him).

It tells me the Kings think the #2 / #3 are potentially in play here.

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by otis29 on Jun 12, 2010 6:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think its the #3

Because New Jersey really wants that cap space.

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by Aykis16 on Jun 12, 2010 6:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would be so fucking stoked if we traded up for Favors.

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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 12, 2010 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Me too.

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by Aykis16 on Jun 12, 2010 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

What trade would satisfy New Jersey though?

Maybe Landry and #5 for Harris and #3? New Jersey gets a good player and gets rid of a bunch of extra salary and the Kings get Reke a backcourt star (although I don’t really like a Harris/Reke pairing)

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by Aykis16 on Jun 12, 2010 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd still be okay with this trade

Bring Harris off the bench.

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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 12, 2010 6:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yea not the greatest idea to team them up with each other.

But Im down to bring him off the bench, though I almost think he he d have more value than that , if we traded him straight up for a better shooting 2 or 1.

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by chenp22 on Jun 12, 2010 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

On the Kings

If healthy, Harris is clearly a starter for the Kings. Do you think Beno is better?

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Jun 12, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Might work better with Reke

Doesn’t matter, work it out if it happens.

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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 12, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

benos def a better shooter..

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by chenp22 on Jun 12, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

one on one, Harris is a better player. But it’s not really who’s better, it’s who’s the guy who plays with Reke better, and i think it’s Beno. They did well last year.

by Dub_TC on Jun 12, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am fine with Beno being the starter.

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by Slam_Dunk on Jun 12, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

In general

I’d like to upgrade our guard play through the draft (with the No. 5) or by trading down a few spots to get someone like Xavier Henry. I’d also like to see us pick up a veteran or emerging young big man who has more size/weight/toughness/poise than Hawes and JT. If we could ship out Beno and/or Garcia in the process, that would be even better.

Nobody on this team is untouchable, althoiugh I think Tyreke and Landry are a decent duo to build around. Our current lineup doesn’t scare anyone, and it will take adding 2-3 solid starters to change that equation.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Jun 12, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't follow you about Beno. I thought he played a very solid season.

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by Slam_Dunk on Jun 12, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or Landry for that matter.

I thought he wore down from too many minutes at the end.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 12, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes. A little bit at the end, but very consistent otherwise.

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by Slam_Dunk on Jun 12, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Beno was solid

for a 25-win team. Let’s step it up a notch.

He’s a solid backup. Good offensive skills but a defensive liability.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Jun 12, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't mind Beno being a solid back-up, but this will require quite an upgrade.

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by Slam_Dunk on Jun 12, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Next year we upgrade the 2 guard when we're drafting late lottery

this year we upgrade the front court with a high lottery pick, please.

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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 13, 2010 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

It’s not like this is out last chance to build this team. We’re still a work in progress and next year we’ll get on (hopefully last) chance to pick in the lottery and go for a missing piece

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by edm7 on Jun 13, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's always a decent SG or two available in FA as well

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by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

we would have to start harris

he is a all star quality player. we would make the back court work

by Mr. Know it all on Jun 12, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think

Harris is a core piece for the team. Harris and Lopez are the Nets selling point for free agents. I don’t think NJ would bite on that.

  1. is probably attainable if the Kings would eat up Elton Brand’s contract. The Sixers might bite on a #2 and Brand for Nocioni deal. I think that deal would have to be done in July though.

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by kingme18 on Jun 12, 2010 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Any salary dump with Phili or NJ can be done after the Kings pick

If it happens it will definitely be after the Kings make a selection for the other team. I think there is a real shot at this. I wouldn’t bet on it, but it’s possible.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 12, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can it be done then?

I thought it has to be after July once the cap resets. It can still be announced before then but they’ll just agree in principle and wait till July to finalize. That’s how the Artest deal was done because Donte had just been traded so he couldn’t be traded again with another player

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Jun 12, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah but Artest I believe had an early termination option in his contract

I am not sure if officially the trade would go down until a little later but it wouldn’t take as long as the Artest one. Either way, in this situation they can annouce it pretty much right away because they aren’t waiting on any players to see whether they terminate the last year of a contract.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 12, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's not why the Artest trade took so long

Memphis drafted Donte. They traded him to Houston. Houston had to wait a month before they traded him again. This one they would have to wait for because the Kings are currently over the cap. They’ll be under come July, when the trade can be made official. Technically, it’d only be a week after the draft so the wait wouldn’t be as long.

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Jun 12, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh okay

I thought you were implying it wouldn’t be until after summer league like what happened with Donte (The Rockets to Kings part of the deal)

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 12, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

The reason the Artest trade took so long was A)

Artest couldn’t be traded until July because of his option (you can’t trade players regardless ofw hether they opt in or not), and B) because Donte had already been signed at the time of the trade was agreed to.

I’ve often wondered if the Kings made the deal after seeing Donte in the summer league, not before. I think it’s more of the former.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 12, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ahh, Donte was signed

now I remember

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Jun 12, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

If NJ trades away #3 it's to dump salary to sign 2 max FA's.

There not going to take back much in salary. Dump Yi & Humphries & #3 for Future #1 pick. Then they release Dooling and pay him $500K, and they end up with over $40M in cap space.

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by HighTops on Jun 12, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yi's a real possibility

So is Humphries. I honestly would not be mad if we took those two to swap picks. Yi’s decent and his contract isn’t too long. He could be trade bait again pretty quickly.

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by vfettke on Jun 12, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I Doubt that.

Its highly unlikely to me that the Nets would want an undersized big man instead of Favors.

by MarcusC on Jun 12, 2010 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I could really get behind a lineup of

Tyreke, Beno, Donté, Favors, and JT. With Casspi, Cisco, Landry, and Hawes coming off the bench.

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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 12, 2010 6:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Stop it

You’re making me drool.

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by Aykis16 on Jun 12, 2010 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Big Baby

Is that you?

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by edm7 on Jun 12, 2010 6:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was thinking about posting that picture.

But Argentina-Nigeria is starting now.

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by Aykis16 on Jun 12, 2010 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

Last year’s team plus Favors would make you drool? You’re easy to please.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Jun 12, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

well, yeah

last years team, with 3 young starters who should be better than they were last year, plus one elite rookie talent. What’s wrong with that? (Beno’s not exactly old either)

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by Viliphied on Jun 12, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

A Matter of Perspective
What’s wrong with that?

30 wins would be a successful season, I guess.

I’d rather roll the dice on another 1-2-3 (Johnson?) and bring in a solid banger who won’t break the bank. I think Favors will be gone before we pick and I think Cousins is going to be a marginal pro. But I’m looking forward to what Petrie has up his sleeve in any case.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Jun 12, 2010 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we end up trading with Phili

don’t be shocked to see Hawes gone

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 12, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm okay with that.

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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 13, 2010 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Any trade with Philly (I doubt NJ will trade that 3rd pick--the Kings have nothing New Jersey "needs" to get rid of that would be an upgrade including Devin Harris)......

…..will most likely include JT because Philly is going to want more than moving Brand and the 5th pick.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 12, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Philly would do that trade in a second

Brand is untradable though. No chance from our end.

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by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not necessarily.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 14, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

You dont think Philly is in play?

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by chenp22 on Jun 12, 2010 6:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think they're in play as well, though Brand is hanging over their pick...

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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 12, 2010 6:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

And I do not want Brand.

Only way is if Philly takes Noc and Cisco and we keep the 5th pick, which isn’t happening.

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by Aykis16 on Jun 12, 2010 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

What if Favors kills these workouts, is it worth it then?

I guess this is when we have to trust in GP.

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by chenp22 on Jun 12, 2010 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep. If Gp likes it I'd do

Brand and Favors for Noc and #5 .

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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 12, 2010 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

and cisco!

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by chenp22 on Jun 12, 2010 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

the question is can we get the Brand of old????

and wouldn’t this sort of create a log jam at the 4? JT/Brand/Favors?

I think Brand can still contribute if he is put into the right offensive scheme. Similiar to what Randolph went through last year in Memphis. Philadelphia ran alot of motion offense and not many post ups for Brand which is his strength. Are the Kings willing to go away from the pick n roll/motion offense with Tyreke to throw the ball into the block?

by Fredman on Jun 12, 2010 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Move JT to the 5, which he's been playing pretty well at anyways.

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by chenp22 on Jun 12, 2010 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

But you'd still have Landry/Brand/Favors/Thompson/Hawes

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by chenp22 on Jun 12, 2010 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

yea...

Forgot about Landry at the 4 as well

by Fredman on Jun 12, 2010 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

If this happens we'll move additional players too

Hawes would be gone

Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.

by sac_faithful on Jun 12, 2010 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

No true center at all?

Doubt it.

There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.

by ElRonToro on Jun 12, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

are you saying Hawes is a true center?

The nba is about who you can guard and JT does just a good if not better a job at defending down low. We just had a post on this not too long ago.

Hawes is an A typical center.

Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.

by sac_faithful on Jun 12, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

and dont we talk about needing an inside presence because we don't have a true center?

Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.

by sac_faithful on Jun 12, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

What if we have to keep Noc and take Brand

But we get to keep our #5?? That would be awesome in my mind since Noc wants the buy out anyway, he’s not even that bad of a contract this point.

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by lodisacfan on Jun 12, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Phili would be insane

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 12, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Reke'd for being honest.

"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"

by chenp22 on Jun 12, 2010 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Favors could be there at 4/5

Didn’t we learn anything from the R Rubio watch last year, where many thought Ricky could be gone by 4 …. everyone on this thread seems to think there’s no chance that Philly takes Cousins at #2,

but if Philly goes for Cousins, NJ might take Turner at #3 (fills a need and he’s fairly sure thing)

which puts Minny on the clock at 4 and they apparently like Wes Johnson more than Cousins …. no idea if they want Favors if they can dump Jefferson/Love …

which means Favors could be there at 4 if Kings want to trade up, or he could STILL be there at 5 … So there’s a very real chance that Kings have shot at Favors w/o doing something stupid like trading for Elton Brand at the #2 pick

by Watty4ever on Jun 12, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Big difference between Rubio and Favors

Rubio only worked out for us and only met with one or two other teams. Favors is working out for several teams to make sure they get to see what he can do.

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Jun 12, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

No you're not with me if you include Cousins.

I think the only player they’ll consider is Favors.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 12, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am hoping a trade up is in the works, otherwise I fear we won't get Cousins.

I really feel that Petrie will pick Cousins over Favors. If I am wrong and they trade up to select Favors, I’d be fine with that. I just don’t see where you are so adverse to Cousins.

Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
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by Slam_Dunk on Jun 12, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not that I'm adverse to Cousins.

It’s that Favors won’t drop and Cousins may. Any trade would likely happen after the 2 picks are taken so if Cousins drops, and Petrie wants him instead of trading up for Favors, than that’s may what happen.

My point is that trading up for Favors is the only reasonable way to select him. Trading up for Cousins seems a bit of a stretch given his stock.

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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 12, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can see trading up to the 3 spot for Cousins. I agree that trading up to the 2 spot for him is a bit of stretch because he is likely to be available at the 3 or 4.

If Petrie traded up to the 3 for Cousins, only to have him taken at the 2, then he would at least be able to have Favors. At the 3 spot he can take his chances.

Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden

by Slam_Dunk on Jun 12, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see that happening. I see the Nets asking too much and the Kings not wanting to do it. Rod Thorn is notorioiusly difficult to negotiate with and I think he'll stand pat at 3 and take whomever he wants.

New Jersey has cap space, no real bad contracts other than Devin Harris (which I’m not sure the Kings want) and I’m not really sure the KIngs want Cousins that badly to trade up for him.

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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

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by pookeyguru on Jun 12, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

trading up for Cousins is nuts

I don’t care if he ends up being an all start, I don’t want to trade up for him. We are in the 5 hole, there are still some really solid players who will be available.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 12, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not only that

Cousins may drop to 5. If I were the Kings, he’d be one guy I’d look at as similar to others who have holes in their games. On paper, he’s not a perfect prospect either.

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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

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by pookeyguru on Jun 12, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bingo.

No point in surrendering what you’d have to do to trade up to #2 in order to get Cousins, since there’s a decent chance he’ll be there at #4 or #5 anyway.

Unless GP is absolutely gaga over the guy, which I find very unlikely.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Jun 13, 2010 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

There is probably less than a 50% chance that Cousins will be there at five.

If you are gaga over someone, do you want to risk that you will have greater chance that you won’t get him if you remain where you are?

Let’s say you are on a TV game show, where you participate in a lottery for a date with a woman. You got the 5 spot. There are four stunning women, followed by some average ones. There is one woman, Cousins, you really want, who is predicted to go at the 3 or 4 spot. Do you just take your chances and hope that she falls to the 5 spot or trade to move up to a spot, which will almost assure your date with her?

Here is Cousins, the one you want to date:

Here is someone, who you know will be at the five if Cousins is taken:

Petrie: Yeah, I think I will just take my chances at the 5 spot.

Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden

by Slam_Dunk on Jun 13, 2010 4:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

So you've created a game show where you date your cousins....

good luck with that.

Then the X-Files being, looking like some kind of blue-green Jackie Chan with Isabella Rossellini lips and breath that reeked of vanilla Chig Champa,
did a slow-mo Matrix descent out of the butt end of the banana vessel and hovered above my bug-eyes, my gaping jaw, and my sweaty L. Ron Hubbard upper lip and all I could think was: "I hope Uncle Martin here doesn't notice that I pissed my f***in' pants."

by kangsfan on Jun 13, 2010 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Voisin would've been a better choice for the 2nd pic

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by hozr on Jun 14, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're right. Wish I would have thought of that.

Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden

by Slam_Dunk on Jun 14, 2010 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

er

all star

Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.

by wallywagon11 on Jun 12, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking that Petrie has a problem, if he really wants Favors or Cousins.

He can stay pat with the 5 spot and hope one of them falls to him, but he has no control over that. It is going to be very interesting to see what Geoff does with this.

Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden

by Slam_Dunk on Jun 12, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right now i'd be surprised if the Kings trade up for Cousins.

I won’t be surprised if they TRY (but don’t succeed) to trade up for Favors. But with Cousins I’d be shocked given all his issue’s (and there are quite a few of them) that have to concern any team taking him.

Pretty much everyone considers Favors a top 3 pick. Almost nobody considers Cousins a lock but most people seeing his talent still meriting a top 5 selection. Draft evaluators may feel differently.

That’s why I say what I do.

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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

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by pookeyguru on Jun 12, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

they wont trade up for cousins. but maybe favors. and im fine with taking johnson at five

minn dosent’t really need cousins, but might take him at four just because of the upside and taking the best player possibe. i would be fine with taking johnson at 5.

by Mr. Know it all on Jun 12, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really? Hadn't even thought of it this way before.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 12, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

alot of mock drafts have this happening

everything is pretty much secure if their are no trades. the thing is is that minn and sac are taking cousins and johnson, but in which order?

by Mr. Know it all on Jun 13, 2010 4:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

You just up and fell into a sarchasm my friend

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 13, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cuz is a major wild card

He could easily be the #2 overall pick or he could almost as easily slip down to #5, #6, or maybe even lower. This is a very unusual situation for a player, to say the least.

And I guess it just goes to show all you kids out there considering a career move of becoming a lottery pick in the NBA draft: don’t get into arguments with your college coach right on the court where everybody can see it, and don’t learn how to do media interviews from The Surly and Flakey Charm School.

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by Mucho Moss on Jun 13, 2010 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Cousins is so unreliable.

That’s what scares NBA teams about him. I know it.

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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 13, 2010 5:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Due diligence

I think you have to work out as many players as you can. You never know who may fall draft day. What if Favors, somehow, miraculously falls and the Kings never get a close look?

I do agree that it could also mean they’re evaluating whether moving up is an option. It’s exciting either way.

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by edm7 on Jun 12, 2010 6:55 AM PDT reply actions  

No question the Kings want to work him out

The question is why does he want to work out for us?

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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 12, 2010 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

must have seen the Lebron video..

"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"

by chenp22 on Jun 12, 2010 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Someone’s put a bug in Favors’ ear that the Kings are players for the #2 or #3 pick.

Pacifist ass-kisser

by otis29 on Jun 12, 2010 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

exactly

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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 12, 2010 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

exactly FTW!

"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"

by chenp22 on Jun 12, 2010 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

would rather see the Kings stay at #5 and look into...

the rumor on ESPN.com saying that the Hornets would be interested in trading packaging Collison with Okafor in order to help out with their salary cap issues. If they are willing to take Noc (buyout) and Garcia, it would be interesting. I know many will be scared of Okafor’s injuries and contract, but he played all 82 games last season and his interior defense and rebounding would be a big plus (10 pts, 9 rbs). Plus, I see Collison being the second coming of Bobby Jackson for the Kings. Then with #5, the Kings draft W. Johnson so your team looks like….

PG: Evans, Collison SG: Udrih, Johnson SF: Casspi, Greene PF: Landry, JT C: Okafor, Hawes.

by Fredman on Jun 12, 2010 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just

thought of that scenario but with their pick and not Collison. I think thats a package anybody would take on if it was Collison. But hey I’ll take Collison instead in a heartbeat.

by Chent on Jun 12, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

agree this makes no sense

They trade away a proven commodity like Collison for cap space and then pay an unproven draft pick the same money for an additional season.
There would have to be more to this deal.

by betweentheeyes on Jun 12, 2010 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stupid me missed that point

Yes, that’s the question and if I were trying to find an aswer it’d be this:

I feel like the Kings are an intriguing destination for some of these rookies. We have a young core with a very special player in Tyreke and a stable coaching staff (finally!) and front office. I can see how agents would like their clients to end up in this Kings team.

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by edm7 on Jun 12, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

My thought exactly,

there’s $400K difference between #3 & #5, but that might not be the deciding factor. Excluding Wash. which of the 4 remaining top 5 teams would be the best fit for Favors?

Of the top 5 teams which ones would he start at the soonest, and which one has the potential to be a playoff team the fastest. I’d choose the Kings? And, that’s why he wants to workout here, and hope we’ll move up to take him.

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by HighTops on Jun 12, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I must admit

I want Favors. Salary cap implications be damned. And I don’t care how much of a dumbass I sound like.

Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.

by wallywagon11 on Jun 12, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Next Coming of Shawn Kemp

I really want Favors also! We need some showtime in Sactown!

by g4y Vulture on Jun 13, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

You sound like Pookey.

Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden

by Slam_Dunk on Jun 13, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah it bugs me but it's true.

I would be fine with Cousins, Monroe, Johnson, or Aminu though at the 5 spot. I would just prefer Favors but not going to happen.

Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.

by wallywagon11 on Jun 13, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably not.

Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden

by Slam_Dunk on Jun 13, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like the way you're thinking

Reke’d

Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru

by Kfan in Korea on Jun 13, 2010 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can sort of understand....

Bringing in both these guys because they are reportedly rated as having about the same value in this draft. Is Favors markedly better than Cousins thus worth trading up for?

I would have liked the Kings to have also brought in some of the next level guys to see how large the talent level drop off is. Aldrich vs. Cousins and Udoh vs. Favors, I think would have help GP target the player he wants and help determine if he needs to trade up, stay put, or trade down……

by Fredman on Jun 12, 2010 7:04 AM PDT reply actions  

whoops

those big men didn’t compete one-on-one against Favors and Cousins. Looking for something like last year when we had Evans competing against everyone but Rubio’s greedy ass

by Fredman on Jun 12, 2010 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would assume

They’re still doing the same drills for the most part that they put Monroe and the other bigs through. Even though they got to see those guys competing one on one they can still see how all them stack up against each other in various drills.

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by lodisacfan on Jun 12, 2010 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

but here is what drills don't tell you....

and that is an understanding of the game. There is a big difference in being able to make a bounce pass and knowing when to make that bounce pass. That kind of intelligence comes out when the draft picks are playing 1-on-1 or 3-on-3.

I think GP said last year that the reason the took Evans over the other guards was because no one could stop him from scoring. That ability doesn’t show up in a drill as well…..

by Fredman on Jun 12, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Totally agree

It would be extremely nice to see these guys going up against each other. Unfortunately that’s not an option for us right now.

The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"

by lodisacfan on Jun 12, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

It showed up in his drills against Shareef. Shareef couldn't stop him.

Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden

by Slam_Dunk on Jun 12, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he found a better job than playing for the Kings: coaching them.

Wait… that’s not it.

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by iashwash on Jun 12, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sarcasm.

Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.

PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.

by jjham15 on Jun 12, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

SARcasm?

Then the X-Files being, looking like some kind of blue-green Jackie Chan with Isabella Rossellini lips and breath that reeked of vanilla Chig Champa,
did a slow-mo Matrix descent out of the butt end of the banana vessel and hovered above my bug-eyes, my gaping jaw, and my sweaty L. Ron Hubbard upper lip and all I could think was: "I hope Uncle Martin here doesn't notice that I pissed my f***in' pants."

by kangsfan on Jun 12, 2010 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah. Guess I missed that. At least you didn't throw me into the chasm.

Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden

by Slam_Dunk on Jun 12, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree.

If you’re expecting to go top three in the draft, you should work out for the top 5-7 teams, so that if, for some reason, none of the top three teams pick you, you won’t tumble too far.

If you have a top 5 pick, it makes sense to work out anyone projected to go top ten. Just in case.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 12, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe Favors was just bored?

If it were me, I’d work out with teams that had no shot at picking me, just to amuse myself. “Think you can draft this? Ha!”

by napg on Jun 12, 2010 7:56 AM PDT reply actions  

"John Wall asks for a Lakers workout"

“just to show how old Fisher is”

by ZenBaller on Jun 12, 2010 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

lol

Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.

by sac_faithful on Jun 12, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aykis,

Are you going to be there today??

The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"

by lodisacfan on Jun 12, 2010 8:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Nope

Not worth my time if its not going to be viewable to the media. Plus I have work.

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by Aykis16 on Jun 12, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, bummer

The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"

by lodisacfan on Jun 12, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe he just needs some exercise?

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by Ice_9ine on Jun 12, 2010 8:30 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Maybe it is what it is.

Both guys have a possibility of falling to the 5th spot. Perhaps it is just as simple at that.

Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden

by Slam_Dunk on Jun 12, 2010 9:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Since we're in the market for a Big

it wouldnt hurt to have the top 2 Bigs come in for a work out no matter where they’re projected, because then we can use it as a measuring stick for other Big’s we will work out

by The Guy on the Couch on Jun 12, 2010 10:28 AM PDT reply actions  

Exactly

They want to see how all the bigs compare. We have no shot at Favors unless we move up in the draft. If he is head and shoulders above Monroe and the other big men they brought in then they might think about moving up.

by g4y Vulture on Jun 13, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess we have to wait and see how the work out turned out , but the Kings Lack Toughness and i think Cousins and Jarvis Varnado Block shot Skills is a Start to get rid of the Soft Label. and i think we should find away to get (PG ) Randle and (SG) Crawford.

by Beer_man on Jun 12, 2010 10:39 AM PDT reply actions  

Cousins ,Varnado ,Randle. and i’m a Happy Camper. I’m just stuck in 2002 and i want to see the Kings in the Play-offs agian. it’s been awhile , hopefully petrie will get us there.

by Beer_man on Jun 12, 2010 10:50 AM PDT reply actions  

I'll be a happy camper with Cousins and Varnado

and sign a shooter like Anthony Morrow

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by slamson on Jun 12, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Morrow

Is he a free agent? That would be a great addition to the Kings.

by g4y Vulture on Jun 13, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see it

He can’t create his own shot, he does not defend well. I don’t think that is the type of player Paul Westphal is looking for.

by betweentheeyes on Jun 13, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

What? A brother can't visit Arnold without massive inquisition?

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iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel

by iashwash on Jun 12, 2010 11:07 AM PDT reply actions  

wha?

Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.

by wallywagon11 on Jun 12, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

What? A brother can't suggest alternative reasons for a brother visiting the state capital without another brother questioning the questioning of the questioning?

Stop the hating Wally. We can all just get along.

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by iashwash on Jun 12, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Reposting - why is this a mystery?

Didn’t we learn anything from the R Rubio watch last year, where many thought Ricky could be gone by 4 (and that was the big fear) …. everyone on this thread seems to think there’s no chance that Philly takes Cousins at #2,

but if Philly goes for Cousins and all of his big-man upside (which to my mind is higher than that of Favors), NJ might take Turner at #3 (fills a need and he’s fairly sure thing)

which puts Minny on the clock at 4 and they apparently like Wes Johnson more than Cousins …. no idea if they want Favors if they can’t dump Jefferson/Love …

which means Favors could be there at 4 if Kings want to trade up, or he could STILL be there at 5 … So there’s a very real chance that Kings have shot at Favors w/o doing something stupid like trading for Elton Brand and the #2 pick

by Watty4ever on Jun 12, 2010 11:11 AM PDT reply actions  

did Rubio work out with the Twolves last year?

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 12, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think so

Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.

by sac_faithful on Jun 12, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nope.

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel

by iashwash on Jun 12, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, they met in LA for a few minutes but no work out.

Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.

PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.

by jjham15 on Jun 12, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agent Perspective

Could like the idea of a ‘warm-up’ workout for his client to prepare him for more important individual workouts with the 76ers and Nets. Favors gets first workout out of the way and goes to Philly and elsewhere with better idea of the process.

Just speculating, but initial agent contact with top teams to gauge interest could have been mild and non-committal, and agent came away with impression his client could be passed. Based on college stats and NBA readiness, the safe picks are Turner and Wesley Johnson over Favors. Floundering teams and GMs gravitate to safety when they cannot afford a botched pick.

More likely, like Ziller implies, is top teams hinted at the possibility of moving picks for right deal, cap space, and the Kings expressed desired to be aggressive and move up if client was impressive in visit.

The reality is that of the consensus of Top 5, if one exists, (Wall, Turner, Cousins, Johnson Favors), Favors was the least accomplished as a collegiate. From that perspective, his participation today makes sense.

True, Kings MO is not to trade up or down, but Kings have also not had this much available cap space before, or budding franchise player around whom to aggressively construct a team. This opens up new range of possibilities.

by bench_blob on Jun 12, 2010 11:40 AM PDT reply actions  

this was my thinking

he might just be trying to drive up value on his client.

Still waiting for the Euler of basketball to play for the Kings

by morecasspi on Jun 12, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

pookey is working on a deal with G.P. for us to move up to the 2 slot.

that’s what I heard anyway…

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Jun 12, 2010 11:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Hahaha!

Hey, wait a second, this isn’t a real transcript… this is a joke, right?

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Jun 12, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

This needs to be an animated film!

"Seriously guys, why are they pissed off? Because of the rape... are you sure? That doesn't add up." - Daniel Tosh on Kobe Bryant

by Ice_9ine on Jun 12, 2010 2:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Good idea. Somebody make one like the one with Peaches and Reke.

Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden

by Slam_Dunk on Jun 12, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hate to be a dick

but it was Little Nicky, not South Park where Hitler takes the pineapple in the bum

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Jun 12, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I beg to differ -

You love being a dick. :)

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by section214 on Jun 12, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You are right, I couldn't remember which movie it came from.

Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.

PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.

by jjham15 on Jun 12, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

V if you ever stopped being a dickhead....

…the world would stop rotating.

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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

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by pookeyguru on Jun 12, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hilarious JJ.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 12, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s here because teams want to know everything they can about all possible players, and not assume where they will be drafted or what possible draft trades there will/will not be.

by cbsf on Jun 12, 2010 12:37 PM PDT reply actions  

The question posed was

“Why is his agent letting him come here?” Not, “Why do the Kings want him here?”

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by lodisacfan on Jun 12, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

With all this talk about NJ trading down I have a question

Do draft picks have cap holds? Just curious if that may be even more reason they may want to trade down and do a salary dump

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Jun 12, 2010 2:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes, once the pick is made, the rookie scale salary is included in the team salary

until the pick signs his actual contract, and then the amount of his actual contract is used.

But, I don’t see NJ trading down, more likely that simply trade the pick for cap space and a future #1 pick.

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by HighTops on Jun 12, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Works for me

Favors and Wes Johnson? Yes please

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Jun 12, 2010 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

We're over thinking this. Can Favors drop to #5, Yes. That's why he's here.

And, I think there could be a very good chance Favor drops to #5.

Wall goes to Washington.

 But, Philly could take any of the remaining to 4. They need shooting, so Turner and Johnson are in the running. And, Dalembert is in the final year of his contract, and he’s 30 years old. So, Cousins and Favor are in the running.

I believe the 76er’s take Cousins. While Doug Collins, Philly’s new coach, was the coach of the Chicago Bulls, Chicago drafted Centers all three years. Brad Sellers 7’0" in 86, Olden Polynice 6’11" in 87, and Will Perdue 7’0" in 88, and while most of that might have been from the GM, I think Collins played a part in the decision.

Also, the 76’ers are going to find it next to impossible to move Brand and his $51M contract. Dalembert makes $12.9M this year. It’s going to be too expensive to resign Dalembert, but he could be a valuable trade piece at the trade deadline.

So, they pick Cousins, he’ll have until the trade deadline to play behind Dalembert and get the feel of playing in the NBA. Then next season, the 76ers have a Center on the rookie scale contract instead of a vet making $12.9M. Philly ends up with a Starting line up this season of Holiday PG, Iggy SG, Young SF, Brand PF, and Dalembert C, with Cousins and Speights at backup C & PF.

NJ passes on Favors, because the Russian promised wins now, and there are 3 PF FA available. That leaves Turner or Johnson, and either would help NJ. I think they take Turner, then after the draft they try to sign 2 Max FA’s. If they get assurances that 2 Max FA’s will sign, then they trade Turner for a Future #1. If they can only get Bosh, Amare, or Boozer to sign then they keep Turner. There starting line up could end up Lopez C, Bosh/Amare PF, Douglas-Roberts SF, Turner SG and Harris PG with Yi and T. Williams off the bench.

That leaves Favor and Johnson left at #4. I don’t know which Minny takes, both have potential and athleticism, but Johnson probably helps out right away offensively so I’ll guess 55% chance they take Johnson and 45% chance Favors.

So, there is a chance Favors falls to #5. Now the big question is, ‘does GP take Favors or Whiteside’?

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by HighTops on Jun 12, 2010 3:30 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

LOL
does GP take Favors or Whiteside?

Please.

I gotta admit, anything is possible in this world. Favors dropping to the #5 is one of the more unlikely possibilities.

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by otis29 on Jun 12, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with HT. I think there is a good chance we are over-thinking this.

It could simply be a matter that Petrie wants to cover all bases, in the event Cousins or Favors falls to 5. He would look and feel like an idiot if that were to happen and he hadn’t even made the attempt to work out Favors.

Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden

by Slam_Dunk on Jun 12, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

The part you are ignoring

Is that there are two parties involved. Favors’ agent isn’t going to allow his client to work out for team below the top 3 unless he feels there’s a reasonable chance his client’s stock is falling dramatically.

Has anyone heard rumblings that Favors’ interviews or combine numbers or workouts have been inadequate? Not that I’ve seen. And Cousins’ is the kid with the red flags, based on his body and interviews.

Honestly, I think the people who see Favors as falling in the draft are overthinking things a bit here.

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by otis29 on Jun 13, 2010 5:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry didn't finish that first paragraph

At the end it should have said “or he feels a team is going to trade up into the top-3”.

And my LOL was for the concept that any GM would pick Whiteside over Favors. That ain’t happening.

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by otis29 on Jun 13, 2010 5:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I dont think thats a hard choice

What part of your game do you need to work on?
Whiteside: “Everything”
Favors: “Offense”

Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.

by sac_faithful on Jun 12, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brad Sellers

Was a SF trapped in a skinny C’s body, but I see your point.

Oh, how I hope Favors falls to us.

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by RikSmits on Jun 12, 2010 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I gotta say, this reasoned out very well, HTops

I don’t think it’s gonna happen, but if it did, this would probably be why.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Jun 13, 2010 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Personally

I think this is the agent who is seeing that his client could drop and is looking to see what potential clients could trade up for him are. No better way for his agent to get a better commission to get a team (like Philly) to trade down to the 5th pick and have Sacramento pick Favors at the 2nd spot. If it eliminates a competitor for PT (since JT is likely to be included in that kind of deal), than so much the better.

That is what I think the motivation is. I wonder if the agent thinks that a good fit for Favors is in Sac given Evans stature and Favors unassuming tendencies.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 12, 2010 3:53 PM PDT reply actions  

If I were Favors agent, I'd rather see him on the Kings rather then Minny, Nets or 76ers

The Kings are in the best position talent and salary wise to be a playoff team than any of the other 3. And, as an agent, I’m not just looking at my commission of his rookie scale contract but of his next contract when he really starts making money.

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by HighTops on Jun 12, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup and as I say

The chance to eliminate a competitor for PT.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 12, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here is a novel idea. Maybe Favors actually had a say in coming to Sacramento.

Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden

by Slam_Dunk on Jun 12, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why wouldn't he want to play in Sac

You want to build a young core and what better guy to play with than Reke. I can see Reke and Favors being the next Payton and Kemp combo! Remember this team almost knocked off the Bulls in the playoffs 95-96. Most exciting team to watch. Let’s forget about the fact that Kemp is a 300# fat ass now.

by g4y Vulture on Jun 13, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

come again?

(TWSS)

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 13, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

This comment needs to be enshrined somewhere.

It’s zig zagging in all kinds of directions all at once. One minute Reke and Favors are like Payton and Kemp, next we’re playing the Bulls in the playoffs 15 years ago, and then Kemp or maybe Favors gets fat.

This is probably what it’s like trying to read the Overton Window.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 13, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

It would be nice

If we could use Hawes in deal instead of JT. JT and Favors would be nice duo

LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.

by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 12, 2010 4:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Maybe the Kings have gotten word the Nets are mulling over a Twin Towers frontcourt.

Combine that with the notion that the T-Wolves draft for need (sf) and Favors could conceivably slip to the Kings.

Can’t hurt for Petrie to cover all his bases.

"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."

by ignign*kt on Jun 12, 2010 5:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Cousins, I think.

I don’t think it’s too crazy to think they’d pair Lopez up with another center. Lopez has a good mid-range game.

remember Rod Thorn has tried to pry away Andrew Bynum for years. When there was talk of the Lakers expressing interest in Devin Harris, the Nets wanted Bynum. And that was when Lopez was already on board.

"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."

by ignign*kt on Jun 12, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

also

they can give Cousins a baptism of fire, and have him play as many minutes as possible. if he gets into foul trouble, they can just sub him out and shift Lopez from 4 to 5 without a big drop-off in production.

"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."

by ignign*kt on Jun 12, 2010 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Favors or Whiteside?

lots of love for Favors on here, but he has to work on his O and his D is nothing special … and he plays the 4, which is not that difficult a position to fill …. Landry, JT and Donte’ can all play the 4 IMO

Whiteside is raw & risky, but is already a better D player than Favors and easily has the potential to turn into Camby2 on the D end. The Kings can get scoring from the 1, 2, 3 and 4 in the PW offense … so maybe they’d prefer a difference maker at the 5 who can run the floor, D up, block shots, and doesn’t shoot more than 10x game.

by Watty4ever on Jun 12, 2010 5:18 PM PDT reply actions  

whiteside has shown alot at workout

hes shown he can hit a jumpshot and possibly step to the arc. and thats scary with his other talents

by Mr. Know it all on Jun 12, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, I've been pimping Whiteside as much as anybody around here

but if Derrick Favors is somehow on the board when we’re on the clock, WTF man, we grab him!
And fast!

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Jun 13, 2010 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

As of now I would agree, bu we weren't with GP when Favors and Whiteside worked out, so?

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by HighTops on Jun 13, 2010 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is true...

Man, I started talking up Whiteside back in like late February, (when I still thought his name was “Whitehead”). So if he does get drafted by the KIngs I’m gonna request official Draft Savant status from Ziller. :>)

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
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by Mucho Moss on Jun 13, 2010 1:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Favors & Whiteside aren't even in the same league.

It’s not even worth comparing them.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 13, 2010 5:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is getting ridiculous pookey

But it is what happens when we have so much time to chat prior to the draft.

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by otis29 on Jun 13, 2010 5:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whiteside is not a top 5 pick

I’ll bet he doesn’t even go top 10.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 13, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

They will be after next thursday ;p

(in the same league that is)

Then the X-Files being, looking like some kind of blue-green Jackie Chan with Isabella Rossellini lips and breath that reeked of vanilla Chig Champa,
did a slow-mo Matrix descent out of the butt end of the banana vessel and hovered above my bug-eyes, my gaping jaw, and my sweaty L. Ron Hubbard upper lip and all I could think was: "I hope Uncle Martin here doesn't notice that I pissed my f***in' pants."

by kangsfan on Jun 13, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm starting to get concerned, Pookey

Now that chapuforyou is gone, are you going to be the next player fanatic.
Favorsforguru

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
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by HighTops on Jun 13, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Superceding

stuckonstuckey and chasinjason.

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by section214 on Jun 13, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You just won't let Stuckey go will you? :P

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 13, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Questions

Which team would want/need Wes Johnson the most, Philly,Jersey or T-Wolves?

Does anybody here think that Turner is a lock at 2, or is he (or his agent)
being foolish having him only workout with Philly?

Which PF would you be willing to give up to get Favors (I assume nobody here would have a problem dealing Spencer to get Favors): Thompson or Landry?

by getPGwithbounce on Jun 12, 2010 6:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Minny, no, any

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by section214 on Jun 12, 2010 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

This for me as well

"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims

by edm7 on Jun 12, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Minny but NJ is close behind, I can see Turner falling to #4, Landry

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by HighTops on Jun 12, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

1. I don’t know about Wes Johnson
2. No, I don’t think Turner is a lock at 2
3. Spencer

Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden

by Slam_Dunk on Jun 12, 2010 6:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Darn, reply fail.

Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden

by Slam_Dunk on Jun 12, 2010 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not Philly, No, and None

1. Philly wants a big, but would not take Johnson over Turner;
2. Turner is no lock at 2 – wouldn’t be surprised to see Cousins or Favors go at #2 (to Philly or team that trades up);
3. there’s no reason to trade anybody on Kings for Favors, but trading Hawes would leave Kings with only 1 “5” on the roster (JT) and 3 players of their top 7 who fit best at the 4 – Landry, Favors and JT

by Watty4ever on Jun 12, 2010 8:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Anyone heard anything about how the workout went??

Was it totally closed off to everyone?

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by lodisacfan on Jun 12, 2010 10:03 PM PDT reply actions  

In my mind the reason Derrick Favors visited Sacramento is the same reason Thabeet didn't visit Sacramento

A guarantee.

If Favors had been given a promise, a guarantee, a certainty that any of the top 4 teams would absolutely draft him, sure thing, than it would make no sense for Favors to work out in Sacramento – period. As he is, that must not be the case.

by betweentheeyes on Jun 12, 2010 10:21 PM PDT reply actions  

drafted and traded

Anybody in the top 5 except Wall at 1 could easily be drafted by 1 team and traded same-day to another team, and since Sacto is at 5 and has young players and bad contracts to deal, they’re a good candidate to trade up (for a player chosen #2-4) if they really want him

by Watty4ever on Jun 13, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

DeMarcus Russel is in town!

New10 just reported the Derrick Favors and DeMarcus Russel are in town for workouts, yes, they said DeMarcus Russel. LMFAO

by InPetrieWeTrust on Jun 12, 2010 11:44 PM PDT reply actions  

You have to admit..

You can see how they would get mixed up… lol

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by lodisacfan on Jun 13, 2010 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

They are both from Birmingham, Alabama originally

But I think they will have very different professional careers in terms of success.

by R-Man on Jun 13, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

No way Cousins could flame out like Russell did.

Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.

by wallywagon11 on Jun 13, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wanted to make the DeMarcus Russell joke a few weeks ago but there are a lot fans here who like Cousins and Russell truly is a 300lb bag of S

by bignerd on Jun 13, 2010 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just read this on the DraftExpress twitter account

Something will go down tomorrow or Tuesday but I’m sworn to secrecy. Argh! RT @phillyfanatic84: Are you hearing any pre-draft Trade Chatter?

about 1 hour ago via UberTwitter

Hmm, this really makes me wonder about Favors’ workout in Sacramento…

by Kyle_B on Jun 13, 2010 5:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Interesting

thanks for the info

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 13, 2010 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

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