[T]he Kings have been talking to several teams about moving down in the draft. The Kings are looking for veterans and have been shopping Andres Nocioni and Francisco Garcia to see if they can get any takers.
Chad Ford on TrueHoop, so take it for what it is.
almost 2 years ago
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We’ve talked about how Geoff Petrie doesn’t tend to trade down. If the player he wants is there, he takes him. But what if there’s a free agent he covets more? Most of the scenarios we’ve explored have centered around trading down to accumulate picks. This would be entirely different.
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I hate even saying this but...
This could be a smoke screen to make folks think GP doesn’t like Cousins…
ailene voisin is wack!
What good would this smokescreen do?
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 14, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean
we already leaked off the info that made Cousins look really really good so I don’t see the point of this being a smoke screen since we are at the same time helping his value.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 14, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
He dont look that good
if the Kings are considering moving down when they could very well nab him at 5.
ailene voisin is wack!
A smokescreen
to encourage other non-top five teams to not trade for a pick to get Cousins? and to encourage King Kahn to not pick him.
ailene voisin is wack!
Kahn apparently doesn't like Cousins. Which means what? No clue.
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Right.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Whose to say that Cousins value was helped by the workout?
I mean, Tyreke Evans was said to do poorly in the 3 player workout he did with Flynn & Curry, and as it turned out he had the most value out of that workout.
What gets said today is not necessarily what means squat tomorrow.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
true about Tyreke but technically just the fact that people think it was a plus for Cousins
would in fact enhance his value at the moment regardless of the truth. I don’t see this whole trading down like a smokescreen. IMO it sounds more like they pumped up his value but in fact don’t really want him but are happy to trade down to get rid of contracts and get the other guy they really wanted.
That’s all I am saying
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 14, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Again, I understand this.
I just don’t really agree with it. I think teams can move up this year (unlike other years) because there isn’t a true consensus.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Except that the head to head match-ups refute that
Go back to the Bay
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by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Dont think so gsw "gangsta"
The Kings front office said Tyreke was like a Man playing against boys if I recall…
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by otis29 on Jun 14, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not you Otis. Thankfully....
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
The guy is just stating his opinion
there’s no need to destroy him
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
Actually there's two reasons
Just a brutally stupid screen name and his effort to revisit the Curry/Evans war.
Pacifist ass-kisser
This.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
That's a perfect reason to destroy him in my book
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It worked wonders in Spy Hunter.
It made cars swerve off the road and blow up.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
That's exactly what I was thinking Bambooozled
I'm not sitting in your car, or your living room with a gun pointed to your head telling you to listen to 1140. - Grant Napear
Some
Seem to think im crazy, but there are only so many scenarios – some likely and some aren’t
ailene voisin is wack!
I'm not too excited to move down in this draft
Actually I’m not too excited about this draft in general. I just haven’t seen any scenarios moving up or down in the draft that really stand out to me. This could just be me subconsciously keeping my hopes low out of not wanting to get heart broken.
...
by prowseinthehouse on Jun 14, 2010 2:03 PM PDT reply actions
I wasn't excited about last year's draft either
But looking back, we might have one of the best 1-and-2 guard draft classes, ever. Okay, I haven’t done the research, and the jury’s still out on last year’s players, but c’mon… Harden, Flynn, Collison, Curry, DeRozan, Jennings, Holiday, Beaubois, Matthews, and Mr. “20-5-5” Tyreke Evans (have you checked his ID?).
Admittedly, it IS hard to get excited with all of this year’s prospects, but there’s bound to be at least a handful of good ones. College-level name recognition doesn’t matter much 5 years into a professional career.
If it isn't cousins
I don’t see anyone that can really help us in this draft. But maybe I am wrong.
Hope
Would really like to see whiteside
he is a underated center THAT IS NOT JUST DEFENSE
he can shoot and he has played little basketball
the celing for this guy is the moon!!!!!!!!!
by Mr. Know it all on Jun 14, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
To me
this shows that Petrie might be enamored with Whiteside
"I have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot...and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why... I succeed." Michael Jordan.
To me
this shows that Surprise Team might be enamored with Whiteside
This is ridiculous. You are speculating on speculation. We have no idea what is going on here and neither does Ford.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
by jjham15 on Jun 14, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 9 recs
Rec'd JJ
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
well thats pretty much all what mock drafts, big boards, and anything associated with drafts are
speculation.
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by Surprise Team on Jun 14, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
this made my day
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 14, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
This also seems to lend some credence to the trade with Toronto
For Noc, Garcia, and the 5th to Toronto for Turkoglu, Derozan, and the 13th.
...
by prowseinthehouse on Jun 14, 2010 2:10 PM PDT reply actions
Actually this isn't bad, but I don't see it happening if Cousins or Favor are available at 5
If they’re both gone, then I can see GP doing it. and taking Whiteside at 13.
Toronto buys out Noc. And, has tons of cap space to start the rebuild after Bosh leaves.
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How does this work, HT?
Does this happen on draft day?
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-John Wooden
I believe it could
I don’t know the true player salaries, but Hedo & DeRoszan makes about $12.5M and Cisco & Noc combined make about $12.25M. Teams over the cap are allowed to trade as long as the salaries are within 125% + $100K. Since none are FA they can trade at the draft.
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No.
Hell fucking no.
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No, the trade can't be done on trade day, or No, you don't want Hedo?
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
The trade can be on draft per the CBA
But no I don’t want that deal.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Thanks. Hope it doesn't come to this.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
On the trade, some people will look at Hedo's salary and balk.
He’s owed $42M over 4 yrs if he doesn’t opt out of the ETO in the 4th season. But, we’re dumping $30M and getting DeRosen who could be a very good backcourt mate to Evans, assuming one of them learns how to hit the 3 pter.
Again I wouldn’t do it unless Cousins & Favors were gone and Whiteside was going to be a good center in GP’s eyes. I’m just not sold on Monroe or any of the other bigs. Whiteside has size, length, athleticism, but he’s still a project. And, a couple of years away from Starting.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
I only consider this deal if Hedo signs an addendum that...
converts year 4 to a team option. If he wants out of Toronto bad enough and wants to come back to Sac that bad, he will sign it.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
He can't do that until after team 3
And the Kings would be fined if they tried that sort of thing. Not possible JJ.
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After year 3^
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Let me expand on the fined point
They would be fined (and stripped of draft picks) if that kind of thing was put down so Hedo was legally obliged to change that option to a team one in order to get the trade to go through.
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yup
soooooo not kosher under the CBA.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 14, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it's pretty discretionary
would likely see multiple first round picks in a row going bye bye though
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 14, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Most likely unfortunately.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
So wait
You don’t want to trade for Prince, who is expiring in ’11, but you do want to trade for Hedo?
HT you confuse me.
We both agree we wouldn't do either of these trades if Cousins or Favors is available at 5, Right?
I don’t like the Prince trade as much because I didn’t like the idea of trading down just to dump Cisco especially if Noc agrees to a buy out. And the money we save if Noc does agree to a buy out, is the last 2 years of Cisco’s contract. But, even that isn’t that much if we have to go out and trade or sign someone for the SG spot this season.
If your not looking for cap space and you think Hedo can help the team with his game and experience, he’s only going to cost $12M over 4 years more than Noc & Cisco and you get DeRosen and Toronto’s pick. That’s 3 players that can help right away, versus Prince and #7.
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If I were Petrie I wouldn't do the deal if Cousins were at 5
Favors I’m not so sold on. But then again, I’m not Petrie. Also I just gave Pookey an aneurysm.
I also don’t think much of DeRozen and don’t see how he’d really be a very good fit with Tyreke at all – another guy who can’t shoot from outside. That isn’t much of a sweetener in my opinion.
So basically I look at this as: would you rather have Prince and the #7 or Hedo and the #13?
And that’s such a no brainer to me it’s like a negative brainer. Prince is the better player at this point, he’s younger, and he an infinitely better contract. Hedo could kill your cap for years.
Neither is a perfect deal.
If Hedo starts for the next 4 years, we can move Donte or Omri for another piece of the puzzle. DeRosen is still young, and he has the size to force other teams to play their PG on Evans. I don’t know who’s available a #7 that’s that better than who will be around at #13, at least as far a Bigs go. 2nd tier bigs are still a crap shoot.
One thought, if Favor and Cousins are gone at 5, and we trade down to #7 wouldn’t Detroit be likely to take Monroe? And, if they did who would be worth taking at #7 to help in our frontcourt?
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DeRozan is not more valuable than Donte/Omri at this point.
Which is why I said hell no.
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yep
There are athletic SGs available in the teens of every draft.
Which is where I expect us next year. There’s usually a few good young ones buried behind a starter somewhere as well.
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by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe this is crazy talk but
it seems like there aren’t actually that many good young SGs at the moment.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 14, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
With Tyreke around I'm not sure the Kings are looking for SG's
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no i agree
it was just more of a general observation
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 14, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand and agree up to a point.
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9th pick last season, I'd give him more than one season to determine his true value
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The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
And, if we trade Cisco, De Rosen fills a void that Prince doesn't
which is one of the reasons I like the TOR deal better than the DET deal.
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And I'm not convinced there is a 'void' at SF
You can’t make a final judgement on Casspi or Donte’ yet either.
I think one or the other (my current money is on Casspi) will be of starter quality.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Missed my point,
were trading away Noc & Cisco in these two deals. Leaving a bigger void at SG than at SF.
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No I didn't
I just firmly believe that SG is the easiest to fill. Especially with a ball dominant guy like Reke.
Best to pair him with an off the ball shooter IMO.
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by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess that's where we differ
I don’t see anyone that’s available who’s a better shooter & cheaper.
Also, Hedo, Donte, Omri at the 3 spot
No one at the 2 spot,
looks like a deeper hole at 2 too me. but to each his own.
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by lietothegirls on Jun 15, 2010 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Again we differ
I’m not as concerned about building a champion right now, as I am about having to go thru another season with our 6’10" PF/SF playing SG.
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I was saying that guys like him come out every year
and there are usually several available between 10-20 picks.
I don’t see a reason to sell the farm, mortgage the future for him in particular.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Still take Donte or Omri over him though.
Omri’s #‘s. Donte’s #‘s. DeRozan’s #’s.
Gee seems similar to Donte and is vastly inferior to Omri’s #’s. And, I think Donte does more than DeRozan does at this point.
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2nd
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by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
DeRozan probably deserves a 2nd year before selling him off. Not sure if the Kings ought be the team to give him it.
I'm not writing him off.
I’m saying he hasn’t produced enough to make me believe he’s worth acquiring at this point.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
um
we can move Donte or Omri for another piece of the puzzle
What if they are that other piece to the puzzle? Seriously, a year too early to make that decision. Maybe by the deadline. Maybe.
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by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't say when.
Just saying that Hedo is probably a better starting SF then either of the young guys for now. And, if I had to take on a SF, I rather it be Hedo than Prince. But, neither would be my 1st choice for a draft trade.
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I don't want to lose Omri or Donté
Both have the potential to be great.
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This
They could be our two-headed monster at the 3
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
DeRozan
if you’re going to trade, you want a guy like DeRozan back who has real upside -
might not be the shooter (yet) that Wes Johnson is, but he was widely viewed to be the best athlete in last year’s draft, and will likely improve lots in Yr 2, 3 … and the 2 is his natural position
Turkoglu is NOT the answer that Prince would be at the 3 because he can’t defend and he handles the ball too much, at too high a cost …
Why Prince and the seven
what about stuckey or bynum and with the seven we hope johnson falls into are lap. and if not aminu. monroe if we want a big guy
by Mr. Know it all on Jun 14, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
we would be getting prince because of his contract
plus bynum is a free agent.
plus no way they give up stuckey to move up 2
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 14, 2010 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
You can always move Prince
to another team as well. He gives you some flexibility. It doesn’t mean we are giving up on Donte or Omri.
by Mark Olberding on Jun 14, 2010 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Whiteside
I don’t think will be on the boards at pick #13, maybe they should stick with the Pistons #7 pick to make sure they get their guy and get rid of Noc for Prince. The Pistons are gaga over DMC.
by g4y Vulture on Jun 15, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Hedo's contract blows.
I just don’t think any deal involving him is a short or long-term benefit.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
I had meant that, too, but didn't really say it, admittedly.
I love the guy, but don’t want him in Sacto colors at this point.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
agreed, agreed
GP doesn’t want Turk back,
the team wants to improve its D and athleticism across the board …
which is why guys like Prince and DeRozan could be in play
i would take hedo's contract in a second if it meant jettisoning garcia's and noce's
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
We'll try to trade Noce for a similarly priced SG
hopefully with only a year or so left on a contract like his.
Cisco will stay
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe a Sign and trade to Boston for N8te
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by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
No No no nO No
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Heh he he
Seriously, he’s a great bench sparkplug at the right price. He plays a lot like BobbyJ really.
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by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
and GP has supposedly always liked him
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by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
No.
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Yeah
I really like the possibility of a Reke/Cisco backcourt. It’s too bad we couldn’t really see it in action last season. If there’s a good deal for Cisco, we can go ahead and ship him out, but I don’t see him as bad as albatross as Noce.
We need to keep
Cisco, he is a great defender. I think we need a shot blocker and space eater in the draft and we should be pretty good defensively.
by g4y Vulture on Jun 15, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I know Petrie generally doesn't trade down
but if he wants a certain player that’s likely to be there at a lower pick I could see him doing it to get rid of Noc and Cisco’s contracts
#vfettkefordraft
Agree
I think he’ll take DMC if he is there at 5. If not, the trade down makes sense for everything you mention. A “project big” could be there later (Whiteside?) or more likely a suitable partner for Reke in the back court if DeRozan is not part of the equation in the trade down.
And, how many times has GP not traded down from the top 5?
I don’t think past history will play any part in GP decision. But, I will say that if Cousins and Favor are gone by #5, and GP isn’t sold on Monroe, then I wouldn’t be surprised if he trades the pick for a vet or trades down to get multiple pieces.
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True
And this is an offseason quite unlike any others, due to the huge power plays going on with the big free agents and having so many teams chasing them – plus the looming CBA. A team like the Kings (who have a significant amount of space) should be getting a lot of attention from teams trying to move up or down in the draft.
Pacifist ass-kisser
Tayshaun Prince was part of one rumor
It had Nocioni and #5 going to Detroit and the Kings getting Prince and #7. If they trade down they obviously aren’t in love with Cousins.
I guess an actual trade down signifies Petrie has no interest in Cousins. This trade down has been the rumor for the last 24 hours. Reynolds did allude to the Kings liking a player on no one’s radar during that radio interview.
Babbit and Hayward are coming to town
to workout the day before the draft. It wouldn’t be out of the question for Petrie to fall in love with a special shooter like Babbit or a player like Hayward. Those 2 working out shows he may trade down or surprise us at #5 with a player not on the radar.
by Mark Olberding on Jun 14, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
he is not taking anyone but cousins, monroe, or johnson with the five
end of story
by Mr. Know it all on Jun 14, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Just like he was taking Rubio with the #4.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I know it all
I know that Chad Ford is full of crap
by betweentheeyes on Jun 14, 2010 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
This doesn't make any sense.
He wouldn’t be looking to trade down if he is interested in Cousins, Monroe, or Johnson, because surely one of them will be there.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
You are intellectually lazy
end of story
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 14, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Better to keep cousins and have him bust.
Then to trade down. Cousins is gigantic, healthy, and slightly overweight, he will be a difference maker as long as he can play in this league, his size and standing reach say so. Shaq he is not, but a bigger andrew bynum he could be. DMC can be a 20 and 10 guy in the NBA, why on earth do you not just take the risk.
Hope
This
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Due diligence
Especially if draft day comes and the guy they really want is taken before 5 and their secondary guy is projected lower.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
So, this would seem to suggest that Petrie is not looking to move up.
If he is interested in Cousins and/or Favors, he is willing to take his chances that one of them will be there at the five. If neither is there, then he moves onto plan B to trade the 5 spot and make his pick later.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
or maybe he is using the fact they might be available to get rid of some bad contracts
because he wouldn’t pick them in the first place.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 14, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
again, there is no reason to move up
Cousins or Favors could be there at 5, and Turner & Johnson aren’t that great a fit …. and if GP isn’t sold on Favors/Cousins, that’s why you move down
Cousins is the only player at the 5th pick I would be excited about
So if he(& Favors) is gone I wouldn’t mind trading down & picking Whiteside or Monroe.
Here is my problem. We have a ton of cap space already is getting rid of Garcia really necessary? Is he really killing our cap? GP gave him his current contract probably figuring he would be a fringe starter or 6th man. Maybe he averages about 12-14 pts per game & plays solid D. Isn’t that what he does?
Another problem I have is there isn’t one available veteran player that I know of on the trade block I would be excited about more than Cousins. Hedo would be a disaster. Okafor, Chandler, Iguodala, Mo Williams? No thanks. So what veteran who is available is really worth the # 5 pick? Are we trying to pull a Boston move & trade our young talent for vets? Only problem is are there really any players available as good as KG & Ray Allen were? Maybe GP makes a strong push for Amare?
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Jun 14, 2010 2:35 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I personally would love a Cousins and Lee offseason. Pretty sure that puts in the playoffs all players assumed healthy.
Hope
by Ultrakingsfan on Jun 14, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Lee?
Lee is not a game changer to me. Great defensive rebounder, and that’s it. Inflated offensive numbers playing in DAntoni’s system. Duplicates what we have with Landry.
by henryclemente on Jun 14, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
landry is a really good player
have you watched kings games
he is a second year player
he has a great shot
and one of the best first steps amoung big men
HE WILL BE A BEAST
by Mr. Know it all on Jun 14, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Wha...wha??
Who is a second year player? Not Lee, who’s played five seasons. Not Landry, who’s played three seasons. And who will be a beast…Landry or Lee?
Me so confoosed.
Pacifist ass-kisser
by otis29 on Jun 14, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
They are the same age Know it all
Landry’s 27 and so is Lee.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Doesn't make it awesome that his name is know it all.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
Not really.
The name is an oxymoron. Who knows everything? I know people who know a lot of things (like you), but you don’t know everything. TZ knows a lot of things, but he’ll admit there’s plenty he doesn’t know. That’s true of me too. It’s true of everyone.
I tend to think of these things as less black n white and more shades of gray.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I know everything
What’s better is that you know I know everything. So don’t act like you don’t know I know everything, because you know and I know that you know that I know everything.
Got it?
Pacifist ass-kisser
by otis29 on Jun 14, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
No.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yes Yes I know this.
But Denial is all I got Otis. Why are you trying to take this away from me? It’s cuz you live in the suburbs isn’t it? And you’re jealous of my high city living. Right?!? Write??
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 14, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I doubt that for real.
You would be tired of the gray sky for 6 months.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Been to Seattle once. It rained.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
But was it mist or rain?
That’s the question.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
It started out as crap, but it eventually rained.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
Also, my car was broken into while I was there.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
Depends on where you were at.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
But that doesn't surprise me either.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Well, the car was parked in the parking lot of a hotel. I don't remember where though.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
Gonna shrug.
Don’t know enough about car theft/crimes to worry about it. Cars get broken into everywhere, and it’s not exactly something that has never happened in D-Town/Midtown Sac either.
It’s one reason my brother moved outta Midtown.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
It was just random, but it was the only time that has happened to me.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
It's happened a few times to people I know.
One of the drawbacks of living in a city, but not one that bothers me personally.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I can you that I definitely did NOT have that on my car.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
Which only proves you're not crazy.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
LOL Awesome
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
It rained crap??
That sucks
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
by edm7 on Jun 14, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Leave it to you, Ed, to notice that.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
I noticed it
Just didn’t feel like going with it.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I don't mind that weather at all actually
I grew up in Sacramento, and to be honest I’m tired of the heat. If the wifey wanted to go to Seattle (we have a few friends living up there actually), I’d go in a heartbeat.
Pacifist ass-kisser
Summers are kick ass here.
But the downside Otis? Most homes don’t have AC.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
206 every time baby :D
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I gotta say
That Seattle is an awfully nice place to live. I am just not privy to the high falutin downtown city life that The Pook is engaged in.
Shit I wish Mike.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Shiiiiiiiiiiit.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
it just a name
everytime i say somethin people always say the same godamn joke
huhuhu “rethink your user name”
its not funny after the twentieth time
by Mr. Know it all on Jun 14, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Then consider a different user name if you don't like the jokes.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Or be smarter
There’s all kinds of options here.
Pacifist ass-kisser
by otis29 on Jun 14, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOL @ all kinds of options
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I once knew a guy named Know It All.
He thought he was clever, but he took a fall.
He thought he was wise;
just one of the guys.
But, eventually he said,
“Just Fuck-It-All.”
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
by Slam_Dunk on Jun 14, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Poetry! I like it SD!
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Good stuff- run him boys!
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
thats right, i know that he know that i know what he knows
you know?
by Mr. Know it all on Jun 14, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Know.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Otis
When I finally realized that you know everything it was then that I finally realized that knowledge is truly over rated and that ignorance truly is bliss. I have never been this happy.
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
by Bluejohn on Jun 14, 2010 7:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Glad I could help your epiphany
My whole life, I’ve been a pleaser (TWSS). It’s just my way.
Pacifist ass-kisser
by otis29 on Jun 14, 2010 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If ignorance was bliss
You’d think more people would be happy.
StR Token Female
by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 15, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It is part of the Bizarro World
Too dumb to know they are ignorant, they seek happiness by complaining
by betweentheeyes on Jun 15, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Amen!
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
3rd year player last year actually
and this will be his 4th year. I think you have a bit to learn before you earn your username.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Mr. Know Fuck-all
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jun 14, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 13 recs
And this will promptly be green in...
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
Just because..
… I said Lee duplicates what we already have with Landry, it doesn’t mean I think Landry is not good. And, yes, I watched all 28 games Landry played for the Kings.
That said, I think “beast” is a bit of a stretch.
by henryclemente on Jun 14, 2010 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
About dumping contracts, the more money the Kings can save the better the franchise is going to be. The team is still struggling to sell the arena, the owners took a big hit with the economy dip and neither Noc & Garcia are apart of the long term plans. A penny saved today is another penny they have to invest in the future when prospects are looking brighter.
at some point
you have to reach a minimum salary line. I think we’ll be below that point unless we sign someone this summer
Is there a minimum salary line?
I don’t know. Wasn’t even close to be a possibility for years but I do know other leagues have one.
It's why ZBo is on the Grizz.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
It's 75% of the salary cap
I wouldn't be so worried about this.
The 5th pick + the 33rd pick and whatever else the Kings do will get them over the line.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Could the Kings "pull a Boston?"
It’s a fun scenario to imagine, but I agree, there’s not a KG-esque guy out there. And Prince and Hedo are not Ray Allen. It’s been said that the Maloofs are buds with Amare, but does Amare like them enough to come here over re-upping with Phoenix or heading to NYC or Miami?
Didn't we turn down Amare before...........
I remember reading something about them wanting Kmart & JT.
KINGS WILL BE 10-11 CHAMPIONS
I think I remember they wanted JT and the pick that became Tyreke.
And it was before the lottery so I think the Suns were really hoping for Griffin.
Moving Down...
I think the #5 + Noc+ Hawes for Prince + #7 works cap-wise. This all but guarantees Cousins is off the board, and firmly plants Prince as the starting small forward for the upcoming season (his last under contract). If the Kings covet a guy who can be picked at the #7 spot, this move saves them long-term money and gives them a quality starter at the small forward position. This likely also allows them to move Donte or Omri in another deal. I don’t LOVE this deal, but I find it more palatable than the proposed Toronto deal IF Petrie loves a guy that will slip to #7. I’d still prefer they roll with dice with Cousins.
Piston's dont do it
unless Cousins is there. I’d hope Kings don’t do it if Cousins is there. So, no deal.
No to trading Garcia
He is the best shooter on the team, a great defender, a clutch-shooter, and a great team guy. I really hope they don’t trade him!
Also, entirely made out of osteoporosis
There’s no quit in him, but he moves like a man twice his age.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
As a man twice his age
I think you’re mistaken.
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
by ElRonToro on Jun 14, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOL @ u2
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
"Moves as a man twice his age?" " ...as a man twice his age does?"
I dunno, kids.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Sure Chad
Just like the Kings were going to trade the #4 pick & JT for Rondo last year. Yawn.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 14, 2010 2:43 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Turrrrible.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Until something happens.....
…I believe nothing G. Way it’s gonna be for me.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Nice LP
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Damn Nihilists.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Petrie has a lot more cards to play with than most GM's which makes for lots of mostly pointless speculation
by southern oregon on Jun 14, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup yup SO
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
What is the difference between pointless speculation and speculation with a point, as it pertains to this draft?
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
agreed
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 14, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
He only said they have been on the phone taking about the possibility. There was someone on this board yesterday eluding to the rumor.
Why it’s easy to believe is Chad doesn’t have talk to the Kings to confirm. The Kings could just be floating the idea out there and a contacted GM could have spilled the beans to Chad Ford.
Oh sure
Chad isn’t off the hook. I’ve heard many things contradictory to what Chad Ford wrote in that paragraph. Namely, that they’re looking for veterans to supplement their young players. I’ve not once heard that from anyone following the Kings.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I think Jerry would have hinted at that
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Which he hasn't from what I've heard.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And from what I've heard.....
…it seems that the Kings would probably be more interested in Favors than Cousins. I’m not really sure what a big skilled offensive big man does for the Kings other than make them better offensively. I think Favors brings something defensively the Kings have never had in the Sacramento era and the Kings brass is very aware of that.
Like I’ve said, the question is whether the Kings can trade up and are willing to do so. I’m hoping they do, but holding my breath on such. I don’t expect anything to happen until June 24th, and Philly may want DMC but not want to pick him 2nd. If they can shed Brand and pick up an extra 1st, I’m sure they will consider trading the rights to Favors if they aren’t wowed by Turner or Johnson.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
We're not getting Favors
get over it
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
At 5 we're not.
But it’s not out of the realm we don’t trade up. You say it’s not possible, but whose to say Geoff Petrie hasn’t ruled it out? Do you know what he’s thinking? I didn’t say anything was going to happen. Right now I see it being the most likely the Kings take a player with that 5th pick. And it’s probably not DeMarcus Cousins.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
None trades out of the top 4 in a perceived 4 player draft
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
(no-one)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Thing is
Do these GM’s see this as a 4 player draft, or is that just the Chad Fords of the world?
Pacifist ass-kisser
Exactly
And whose to say Philly can’t get the player they want at 5?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Then its not what we have that they want
Its vice-versa
Give me one of the young guys, NO Brand.
Question:
Is Brand an upgrade over Landry at this point of his career?
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Only way we getting up to that 2nd pick is taking Brand back.
Sorry if you don’t like it but that’s the way it is.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Then I'm pretty sure we're not getting that 2nd pick
Forget what I like or don’t like – won’t happen. No one pays that kind of money to move from 5 to 2.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Most of the time teams don't even consider trading the #2 pick. That's why most teams don't move up.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yup.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
4 years of nearly dead weight
Landry may be as good as he is right now.
Too steep a price
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
3 years of dead weight.
And Landry’s better.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Confusing the crap out of your rebuilding plan
also a factor
I just don’t believe it.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Me either until it happens.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
The Kings may have fallen for Cousins and move to 2 to take him.
Stranger things have happened.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
Again I doubt that.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Or they don't
I gave up trying to read the tea leaves a looong time ago with Petrie.
Pacifist ass-kisser
Yeah I'm with Otis here.
I have no idea what the tea leaves mean until after the draft. I gave that up after last year.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
No, you could very well be correct
I remember the weeks leading up to the draft last season – there was so much confusion about the Kings intentions. For a while there, it appeared Jrue Holliday was going to be the pick. But grabbing him at #4 seemed asinine, so you start thinking about trading down, etc. Then it was Flynn, then maybe Evans, all the while Rubio was a no-brainer if he fell in the draft.
I think this season, with all the other variables (cap space, CBA coming up, the LeBron/Wade/Bosh sweepstakes), there are even more wrinkles to the potential outcome here. So your guess is as good as anyone else’s.
Pacifist ass-kisser
by otis29 on Jun 14, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for what Otis said
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
rec'd = recommended
click on “action” where you can recommend a post.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
Yeah
at the very least the goal is to confuse. I really dont see the Kings moving down unless they can pick up a really good piece in a trade.
ailene voisin is wack!
Well
There are some very likely scenarios as well and some unlikley ones. So that gives us something to work with.
ailene voisin is wack!
The good thing here
Is that Petrie is in the catbird seat IMO. He has the #5 pick, he’s got an abundance of cap room, and he’s extremely patient by nature.
We get closer to draft time, and he should have some leverage over the teams who are desperate to either move up/down in the draft or clear cap space.
Pacifist ass-kisser
In any event
I see the need for a center who can play defense as the most pressing need,I would be ok with Whiteside
by southern oregon on Jun 14, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Bleh. I'm not a fan of Whiteside.
He’s not a post defender.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I agree. He's a fly swatter, not a screen door.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
I shouldn't say this.....
…but Whiteside’s defensive acumen is akin to a screen door on a battleship.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 14, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
rec’d
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 14, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Could be worse, it could be a submarine
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
It could LOL
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
yet hes got somewhat of an offensive game
if he put weight on who knows what he could do in the postand
he has a really nice jumper
and has only played a few years of basketball
I AM A HUGE FAN OF WHITESIDE
in my opinoin, the cieling for this guy is the moon
by Mr. Know it all on Jun 14, 2010 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
And his floor is hell
"You seen my cell phone?" "What’s it look like?" "Like two horses f***ing. It’s a phone, son. It looks like a phone."
by CaliforniaJag on Jun 14, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
but we shouldnt trade down
we could just get johnson and sign chandler
by Mr. Know it all on Jun 14, 2010 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I don't get the vet thing at all
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 14, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Peaches changes his tune on Cousins? Hmmm.......
I know, I know. Peaches is a tool, d-bag, etc. How would know anything? Hear me out.
For weeks when Peaches has been asked about Cousins he has screemed he wouldn’t touch him with a 10 foot pull. Too many red flags, yada,yada, yada. All of a sudden on his show he says “Well he has red flags but if he falls to #5 he would be extremely hard to pass on for the Kings” What? Someone must have impressed this weekend.
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Jun 14, 2010 3:39 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
This is another reason why a play-by-play announcer shouldn’t be able to be a co-host. I wouldn’t mind Cousins knocking Peaches out if he comes to Sactown
I chuckled when I heard him backpeddling today on his show
Lamb held to his original conviction (because I believe he equates DeMarcus Cousins to DeMarcus Russell), but Big Red got all wishy washy. He then claimed “he didn’t know what the hell people where talking about” when they called him out on it.
by R-Man on Jun 14, 2010 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
typical
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 15, 2010 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
The Kings could draft
Osama Bin Laden and Grant would be critical until the pick and glowing afterward. I know Bin Laden has missed a lot of workouts, so he probably won’t be picked with the #5.
by IamPurple on Jun 14, 2010 3:43 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Good height for a shooter, but has kidney issues, and would have to take buses, since he's on the no-fly list.
I could go on, but that’s probably enough bad taste for one day.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jun 14, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
andy is great
but that was my point. He was bad mouthing him & has changed up. Similar to how he switched up on Ron Artest twice & Kevin Martin. He has switched up & the draft hasn’t even happened yet
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Jun 14, 2010 3:57 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Also
very good from long range, every now and then he’ll surprise you with a big performance, but seems to disappear for long stretches.
Kings fan in OKC
by rockrichmond2 on Jun 14, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
rec'd for being a jackass
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 14, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
favor returned ww11
Glad to see my first ever Donté was a Bin Laden joke
Kings fan in OKC
by rockrichmond2 on Jun 14, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
If the Kings trade down to draft Gordon Hayward
I’ll be looking for someone to hit me in the face with a shovel.
I'll do it
If you hit me back with the sharp end.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
And stab me with whatever's left.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Only if you promise to hit me back when you wake up
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Jun 14, 2010 4:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I will hit all of you.
I will expect gas money and a beer. You bastards better not bleed on my shoes.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
Can't promise nuffin.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I would need a big shovel to get a solid blow on your melon .
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
Just shoot me with a shotgun.
I’ll write a note saying I gave you my permission.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Only if you smash me over the head with the beer bottle after you're finished drinking
and I’ve regained consciousness.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
id be glad too
if u promised to hit me back
by Mr. Know it all on Jun 14, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Looking for Veterans?
Uh, Chad,
Aren’t Noce and Cisco veterans?
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
True.......
But ones disgruntled, and the other is barely on the court. You have to lead by example.(I think)
KINGS WILL BE 10-11 CHAMPIONS
That's what I was thinking lttg
Are there any available veterans who are more than slightly better than those two? Maybe but cost twice as much. No thanks.
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Jun 14, 2010 4:09 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Exactly
Unless someone is looking to give up a Star in a sign and trade
no thanks
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
We do need a shooting guard though
I wonder if that Kevin Martin guy is available?
;-)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
What about something like this?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=22jjca4
You guys get a good shooting guard that would probably be a great fit for Tyreke, and the 7th pick, and the Pistons get a vet, a young guy, and the 5th pick. I guess they would draft Cousins, and then you guys could get Whiteside, Monroe, or somebody else.
So
we give up a young Center, who we have no commitment to next year, our 5th pick, an uneeded but useful vet – for a nearly washed up 1 yr rental?
Why again?
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Hamilton has old balls.
The Kings aren’t taking on 4 years of a half dead dude and moving back to do it. They would just take 3 years of another half dead dude and move up to #2 if this was the case.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
Oh crap!
That was Hamilton that was included?!!
No F-ing way.
(It was no to Prince as well if you didn’t notice)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
A waaaaay overpaid 6th man?
uh – no.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Why would the Kings let Dumars off the hook for one of the worst signings in resent history?
Not to be mean but when Ben Gordon left the 55 million dollar extension offer on the table from Chicago, he screwed himself. No one, including the Bulls, was ready to come within 15 million of the offer Dumars threw up there. Gordon is a nice player at 6 mill a year but he is an undersized 2 who signed a 5yr/58 million dollar contract. That my friend is what you call an albatross.
I have always liked Dumars but he lost his mind last season and set your franchise back half a decade.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
My bad, I didn't catch the W's fan thing.
We’ll give you Noc, Spence and the #5 for Ellis and the #6.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
No we won't.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I promise you this
I will consider dousing myself with gasoline and lighting myself on fire if the Kings acquire Monta Ellis.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
That would be ok, just make sure it's right before I hit you with a shovel or shoot you so I can get away with it.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
I'm pretty sure I can light myself on fire. But thanks for the offer.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not paying for your plane ticket.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 14, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do we also get Ellis' moped in that deal?
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
I wonder how fast Reke could get that thing?
Then the X-Files being, looking like some kind of blue-green Jackie Chan with Isabella Rossellini lips and breath that reeked of vanilla Chig Champa,
did a slow-mo Matrix descent out of the butt end of the banana vessel and hovered above my bug-eyes, my gaping jaw, and my sweaty L. Ron Hubbard upper lip and all I could think was: "I hope Uncle Martin here doesn't notice that I pissed my f***in' pants."
You sure about that.
I definitely could see Evans and Ellis riding side by side on a couple of Vespas.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
I don't see how Gordon screwed himself at all
58 million dollars is a pretty penny.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
by Aykis16 on Jun 14, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Especially in the market that was '09.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'It sounds like . . .'
Really?
It sounds like pre-draft rumour nonsense to me.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Prince for a year isn't so bad.
I don’t buy that he costs the Kings 2 spots int he draft though. For the Kings to take Hedo, it would be more of a breaking up of a contract like Noc and Garcia for him which isn’t horrible when you consider that it would also cost the 13th pick as well for Toronto.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
It saves us no money
(virtually) Noce’s combined two years pretty much = Prince for one. Prince wouldn’t be happy.
So why again?
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, the Kings would upgrade and still have a ton of room if it was a straight swap.
Before you ask, Why would Detroit do that? I will respond, because it breaks up their cash, when they don’t have any over two years and gives them a serviceable vet.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
We're just not looking for a one year upgrade though
and talk about reeeally killing Casspi and Donte’s devlopment minutes. We need to find out if they can be NBA starters.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
THe great thing about Petrie is...
…if you’ve heard the rumor, there’s a 90% chance it’s already dead and won’t happen. The only deal I can remember being ‘leaked’ and actually occurring was the Peja for Artest deal. Bibby pretty much happened. Martin just happened. Miller/Salmons just happened. These trades weren’t out there when they happened. Typically when there is a rumor surrounding the Kings it’s smokescreen and/or already dead.
I know I am just feeding the speculation machine but darn it you have a good point
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 14, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
No
Some of us saw the Brad Miller signing months in advance. The drafting of Reke was predicted in the Bee, and I think DX and even Ford’s last mocks before the draft. And I’m pretty sure both the Martin and Miller/Salmons trades were at least leaked early before they were announced, even if it was the same day.
Didn't we trade for Brad?
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Yes
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I don't agree with this
If you hear a specific trade it means it’s dead. A general someone is being shopped has resulted in trades in the past.
ugh no.
why god why? this is against the blueprint.
by TheFifthMookie on Jun 14, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
are we going to find anyone else that can be an excellent 6th man at arguably 3 different positions for the same price as Cisco? I don’t think so.
Kings fan in OKC
Excellent might be stretching it
I will give you “capable” if he can show it for a full season.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Excellent is a bit far
but if he can stay healthy I think he can be more than capable. He can hit the long ball, can hit the clutch shot, run the point for stretches, and plays with the most passion on the team. His production when Speed was out a couple years ago leads me to believe his skills and spark off the bench definitely have a place on this team, especially when compared to the relative cost.
Kings fan in OKC
by rockrichmond2 on Jun 14, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
At this point
You’d like to see him stay healthy both to see what he could do and to get your money’s worth. But I’m not sure how that factors into the club’s overall approach. I think they have to be cautious and not expect a lot, and that might cause them to deal him rather than hope for good things.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
This could be a smoke screen
to make it look like the Kings don’t want Cousins…
ailene voisin is wack!
by Bambooozled on Jun 14, 2010 4:42 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Good point
very good point
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep
Playing the ol’ Whiteside card. He worked out early and they fell in love…NOT!
ailene voisin is wack!
I sure hope it's a smoke screen
Even if we can’t get DMC. I’m pretty sure Wes J. can help this team out
I'm not sitting in your car, or your living room with a gun pointed to your head telling you to listen to 1140. - Grant Napear
No doubt, he's going to be a good player
he just doesn’t solve our biggest problem
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Rubio?
Having Rubio come back to Sac right before the draft for nothing but a dinner at Applebees? According to Jerry R. the Kings wanted Reke from the get-go and I think they kept this very private on purpose.
ailene voisin is wack!
Wasn't there basically immediate word out that the Kings weren't sold on Rubio
And everyone said that was a smokescreen only it wasn’t?
Yeah
And now they “aren’t sold” on Cousins but they will nab him if he’s there…It’s the opposite of the Rubio saga…
ailene voisin is wack!
riiiiiiight
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 14, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
That may have just been a smokescreen though
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
it was a smokescreen for the smokescreen which was designed to hide the smoke screen.
ailene voisin is wack!
Kind of like the "we really like Tyreke Evans" smokescreen also?
Of course, I can’t tell who’s kidding and who’s being serious in this thread.
not me
Seriously, I told everyone before the draft (multiple times) that we were not going to pick a guy that probably wouldn’t play in the NBA for two years.
It was silly of anyone to think he was going to pay that $6mil out of pocket for the privilege.
Everything took a backseat to that
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep
And Memphis could have picked Reke and they would have if they were smart.
ailene voisin is wack!
Um
So is telling the truth the smokescreen or is lying the smokescreen? I’m having trouble keeping track.
And there's the problem with the conspiracy game
If you have evidence to back up the arguement, there is a smokescreen. If you do not have the evidence, well then the lack of evidence is evidence there is a smokescreen.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 14, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Not if you didn't know then what you don't know now
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Well in this particular instance I don't see what good a "smokescreen" would do here
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 14, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, you DON'T - do you?
(see what I mean?)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 14, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
We all have watched way too many M Night Shyamalan movies
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 14, 2010 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I see through your M Night smokescreen to your true meaning that
Oliver Stone’s movies always reveal truth.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jun 14, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 14, 2010 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
this smokescreen thread is awsome...tears
Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
by sac_faithful on Jun 14, 2010 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions
What is this
I don’t even
I don't see what's wrong with giving Bobby a little experience before he starts to practise law.
Speaking of Oliver Stone
Sequel to Wall Street is coming out. Not sure how I feel about it – the first is one of my favorites.
Pacifist ass-kisser
this feels like some sort of out of body deja vu
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 14, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think Wes will be there at 5
I think he’s rising, and may even get picked before Turner. So what if Evan Turner is the only “top five” player left at five?
by basketball galactica on Jun 14, 2010 5:13 PM PDT reply actions
I'd be the happiest fan of all
He was my #1 choice from the very beginning
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
The Wolves fans over at Canus Hoopass
Really dont like Wes Johnson. Ive been over there hyping him up and they dont want anything to do with Johnson…
ailene voisin is wack!
Trade with Utah??
Sources say the Kings are also still open to trade possibilities, and Detroit and Utah are two teams eager to move up in the draft. The Pistons’ Tayshaun Prince(notes) could be intriguing to the Kings, who are eager to add a veteran small forward to the roster.
Who on the Utah squad is it that we want?? any answers?
"I'm bleeding purple!"
millsap?
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 14, 2010 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
millsap is under sized. we dont need a PF, We need a true Center
by Mr. Know it all on Jun 14, 2010 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Prince has been rumored to the Jazz
for a while but it’s always been for Boozer. AK-47 could be in the mix. Prince and AK both have 1 year left and bring a little of the same thing (Prince being the better shooter).
by Mark Olberding on Jun 14, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
What about Dalembert?
There’s a guy with 1 year left on his deal that brings what we need to the table. I could see Collins wanting a guy like Nocioni on his team, and if they draft Favors they need to move a big.
by Mark Olberding on Jun 14, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn it! We could have had Maynor! Noooooooooooo
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 14, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Only if Maynor wanted to be in Sacramento.
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straight up, Ak47 or okur
i would probably say AK47 or Okur
by Mr. Know it all on Jun 14, 2010 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Trading Noce and Garcia?
Well, there goes Latin Fan night.
by betweentheeyes on Jun 14, 2010 6:46 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
We could dress up Carl in a sombrero instead of a top hat for a night.
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Hmmm...
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
by JediLeroy on Jun 14, 2010 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions 21 recs
I was wondering why this wasn't green....
…and then I realized this has only been up 2 minutes. LOL
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The maracas are the best part
Beautiful.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 15, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Proud to give this its Official Donté (20th rec)
This is already the frontrunner for comment/pic of the year. I can’t put into words how hard it was for me not to laugh out loud at this in my office.
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Errr....my parents basement. ; )
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
2 trades
Trade 1
Bucks get: Noc & #33
Kings get: Gadzuric & #15
Trade 2
Hornets get: Hawes, Garcia & #15
Kings get: Collison, Peja & #11
Kings draft Cousins at 5 and Xavier Henry at 11
Haha those are ridiculous
The Bucks and Hornets get totally ripped off. The Bucks would never trade the 15th pick for Nocioni (a decent role player at best) and a 2nd rounder, and the Hornets would never trade a potential all star point guard and the 11th pick for Hawes (a soft big man), Garcia (can’t stay on the court), and the 15th pick. These are total homer trade ideas.
It's unlikely MIL takes on Noc and his $13M contract and moves down into the 2nd round.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
redd still has talent
then what would they do SG
by Mr. Know it all on Jun 14, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
i say redd
because then bucks will shed some salary for the summer to resign salmons
the miller/salmons for gooden/noc was a bad trade…
Resign Salmons
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Mil isn't over the salary cap even if Redd and Salmons don't opt out
And, Redd is an expiring contract, and more valuable than Noc at the trade deadline. No there is no one on the Bucks that they need to move for Noc that’s worth moving down in the draft.
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Won't happen...
Trade #1 – Buck’s will not drop to #33 to get Noc’s contract and give up the #15 and Gad…Could happen but Buck’s lose on this trade.
Trade #2 – I’d do it because we’d take Collison anyday of the week for Noc’s contract but Peja will make too much and the Kings will not want to bring Peja back (too old).
"I'm bleeding purple!"
by jackofspadez on Jun 14, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
i say
trade Garcia to NO so that we can buyout Noc. and i would prefer taking Peja over Okafor since his contract will expire 2011
Your just going to keep throwing this shit up until something sticks aren't you?
NOH are in deep salary trouble, and they would gladly look for help. So while, Cisco is owed more than Peja, NOH might be willing to do the trade because it saves them dollars this year. But, the Kings don’t need Peja, and have no reason to take on his contract and eat into their cap space this year. And, yes the Kings would save $3M off of Cisco’s contract but Cisco at $17M over 3 years is better than Peja at $14M over one year.
As for Okafor, he’s one of the top centers in the league and well worth his contract. If the Kings can’t get a center in the draft, Okafor would be a good 2nd option and well worth the money. more so than Peja and his contract.
Maybe you should read the post of the more experience posters on this site before you continue on your current course. There are a lot of things involve in good trades and you have much to learn, grasshopper. Read other trades, read the responses and ask questions, it’s the best way to learn.
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Okay I think this is a good sign we need a new asinite trade thread
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what we should do is sign chandler and draft johnson and warren/terrrico
are linup would be set.
i can see it now tyreke jukes, drives into the lane kicks it out to johnson
and he hits it, over and over again.
and try to mold warren/terrico into our OTHER como guard of the future
by Mr. Know it all on Jun 14, 2010 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Chandler......NO!!!!
Chris Paul isn’t playing in Sac so I don’t want Chandler here, CP3 made Chandler who he was but now playing with the Cats, he isn’t much but nothing.
"I'm bleeding purple!"
by jackofspadez on Jun 14, 2010 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
your sayin you dont think evans could help chandler at all?
by Mr. Know it all on Jun 14, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
English class is your friend
so please attend
Then the X-Files being, looking like some kind of blue-green Jackie Chan with Isabella Rossellini lips and breath that reeked of vanilla Chig Champa,
did a slow-mo Matrix descent out of the butt end of the banana vessel and hovered above my bug-eyes, my gaping jaw, and my sweaty L. Ron Hubbard upper lip and all I could think was: "I hope Uncle Martin here doesn't notice that I pissed my f***in' pants."
Are we trading asinite, now?
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
I don't think the Kings are trading up or down
They are trading sideways….
by betweentheeyes on Jun 14, 2010 7:31 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm confused. Are the Kings moving up, down, or sideways?
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
by Slam_Dunk on Jun 14, 2010 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm confused as what to the Kings may do according to the rumors....
…therefore I’m not paying attention to any of them.
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I'm still confused.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I actually think there might be a kernel of truth in this.
Not that GP is actually interested to trade down, but as a GM, wouldn’t you put it out there that you might be interested just to see what bites? It’s a fishing expedition.
Bold Prediction: Whoever we pick 5th this year will have a better NBA season than whoever was picked 5th last year.
Could be
Given the fact we whored out all the info about how good Cousins was in the tryout and now all of a sudden seeing if anyone is interested in the 5th pick.
Or it could just be “Eh let’s see what’s out there.”
I just don’t get the whole “smokescreen” thing. I don’t think anyone is that much of an evil genius, somehow increasing a player’s value but finding someway to make sure nobody takes him at the same time.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 14, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Before I even read anyhting let me just say
Holy crap, you guys are really into it, huh? 300+ comments?/ Must be getting close to the draft
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
by edm7 on Jun 14, 2010 8:34 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Man, I'm confused
Smokescreen, conspiracies, Osama Bin Laden, the World Cup, Scarlett Joahnsson is hot!, we’re absolutely going insane. Best time of the year
And to add even more fuel to the fire. Jerry was on with Douchebag and Yes-Man today and he went ouot of his way to say the Kings will pick the best player available at 5 OR trade the pick for a better player. He mentioned this at least a couple times so the trade rumors may have some legs.
Then again, every possibility should always be on the table. Damn, I feel for the game too. Let’s continue to especulate
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
So there is the confirmation.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
that the Kings will either draft the BPA or trade for a better player and are listening to many options
I think he might be on to something
by betweentheeyes on Jun 14, 2010 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Everyone stop especulating!!!
We know what the Kings are doing….!!!
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Though he may dress like one on the weekend, I'm pretty sure Andy isn't a lady
Then the X-Files being, looking like some kind of blue-green Jackie Chan with Isabella Rossellini lips and breath that reeked of vanilla Chig Champa,
did a slow-mo Matrix descent out of the butt end of the banana vessel and hovered above my bug-eyes, my gaping jaw, and my sweaty L. Ron Hubbard upper lip and all I could think was: "I hope Uncle Martin here doesn't notice that I pissed my f***in' pants."
Can't see why Petrie wants to move Garcia so desperately
He was injured last year by his freak accident. I still think he makes a pretty solid starting SG or back-up PG/SG.
I think the only one who's desperate to trade Garcia
is Sims
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
I said it in some other thread, but I'll repeat it.
If Garcia is starting on your team, and your team is in the National Basketball Association, your team is picking top 5 in the lottery.
Garcia would be a great 6th man on a contender, but he’s just in the way of more talented youngsters in Sacramento. He’s also overpaid.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Maybe he just wants to package him with Noc, so that Noc's contract doesn't look so bad.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
Did someone leave the door open?
Lots of…uhm…interesting new people floating around here today.
Pacifist ass-kisser
this
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 14, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
We're a welcoming communitty
Until you refuse to follow ‘group-think’ that is
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Shhhhhh
Don’t let the outsiders know how the group thinks edm7!
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 14, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Schooools Out For Summmmmer!
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 14, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
The only way
we trade down is if we pick up a solid C and a way out of the Noc contract. We can score the ball we just need an inside presence…..
I would have to say.....
That if the Kings pass on DMC at #5 it would be a huge mistake for a team that is in need of not only talent, but star potential as well.
DMC at #5
Many are now on the DMC at 5 bandwagon -
but will he be there? And is GP on the wagon?
If not, trading down makes a lot of sense b/c I don’t see the difference between 6 and 10 or 13 (esp. if GP wants Whiteside)
If the Kings pass on DMC,
that may just give him the fire and chip on the shoulder to actually keep his weight under control and fulfill all of his potential for another team, kill the Kings every time he faces them in the future AND making the Kings look like idiots for passing on him.
"Hard work always beats talent that doesn't work hard." - Kevin Durant
Just the Kings?
Not the other 4 teams that passed on him?
Seriously, the least of our worries is a pissed off Cousins coming back to haunt us. We’ve got Kevin Martin for that already.
Pacifist ass-kisser
you're right...
probably not just t the Kings, I would throw the T’wolves in that too, maybe the Nets if he outperforms Favors at their predraft workout. But, I wouldn’t throw in the the wizards and 76ers into that. But, if he were to drop out of the top 5… just saying that would be extra motivation.
What I hope happens is that he outperforms Favors, and drops to us and that motivation of not being picked 3 or 4 motivates him OR Favors drops to us at 5 (which I doubt).
"Hard work always beats talent that doesn't work hard." - Kevin Durant
by recklessmonkey on Jun 15, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
He's a big -
He’s going to kill us whether or not he is mad at us, he is going to kill us whether or not he is in shape, he is going to kill us whether or not he is any good.
He’s a big.
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by section214 on Jun 15, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ain't that the truth.
Jeff Foster kills us. Darko killed us. Earl Boykins kills us.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
why a smokescreen?
The best (only) way to move Noc and Cisco is by packaging them with something that other teams actually want, like the #5 pick. GP would not be doing his job if he wasn’t pimpin’ DMC, Favors and whoever else might be there at 5 to INCREASE interest in the #5 pick from around the league.
More interest = better price. And the other part of his job is to figure out if the team gets better by stayin’ put at 5 and adding 1 player, or dropping down, dumping contracts and adding 2 or more players at lower draft spot.
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