My take on Hawes
by Anthony J Peters on Jun 15, 2010 12:18 PM PDT
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So I figured I do a take on our players here is my take on Spencer Hawes. Certainly we know Hawes can pass the ball well for a big man and thats a good thing. While Hawes at times had some big games the most consistant thing about his game is well its inconsistant. I remember Hawes having a big game in LA a couple weeks latter he's benched than he goes back to having a big game followed by getting hurt and shutting it down. I'm not ready to write him off yet he only played one yr in College and is still young if he could ever learn to consistantly put up 15-10 type numbers he'd be a great fit for us moving forward. Its going to be interesting to see how he plays this yr. We all know he's in a contract yr if he wants to stay with us long term he's going to have to step up his play this season and prove that he can stay healthy and be more consistant.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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This is a pretty rough read Anthony.
I don’t want to mean but you are going to get torn up with this. You are missing a word in the first sentence and you need about 20 commas. I would go back through this in Word with not just the spell check but also grammar turned on so you can fix some of issues.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
Does it matter, why dont you read the words instead of picking it all apart like your the garbage man
your starting to sound like wally wagon
I know i don't know it all... its just what my parents call me
by Mr. Know it all on Jun 15, 2010 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow you think jjham15 is starting to sound like me?
I’ll take that as a compliment.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 15, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
If you read my comments you would understand that I did read his post.
And instead of ripping it apart for lack of substance, which is also a major concern, I chose to point out ways for Anthony J Peters to make his post consumable for the rest of us. If you choose to write here, you are putting your work up for ridicule, like it or not. If you are going to make a fan post, it should follow basic writing standards which includes things like commas and sentences that are not obviously missing words. This post was not proofed by the author or he would notice these issues.
You are picking a fight with the wrong guy Mr. Know it all. If I hadn’t posted what I did, there would have been a handful of people ready to do it and not just on the grammar. Again, if I was being a dick, I would point out all the issues in your response. I would prefer to point out the issue of editing for Anthony and hope that he would edit this post, which wold take all of 5 minutes and use Word to help with both grammar and spelling issues.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
Serious? Us?
We think calling yourself “gansta” is the funniest thing ever! What’s more, we appreciate you going to the trouble of misspelling a colloquialism that any 9 year-old suburban child could scribble correctly on his Social Studies folder in his sleep.
You are special, gansta. You are the living, breathing epitome of why the internet was invented, so that democracy may reign, and that even people too dumb to vote can still somehow express feelings about things that they are incapable of fully understanding.
We absolutely love you around here, because even though we have the Maloofs, your presence is a comforting reminder that things could be one hell of a lot worse.
Take care of yourself, eat healthy, exercise, and long may you reign in the splendor of your mom’s basement.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jun 16, 2010 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions 11 recs
Your anger becomes you Sims. Bravo sir.
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Thanks for the laughs as always Andy!
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by nothingbutnet on Jun 16, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Word of advice
If you’re going to pick a fight with one of the most respected posters on the board, you might want to engage your other synapse.
Pacifist ass-kisser
first of all.. i dont know what that means
and second why dont you just read the post and not have to question evrything he says… i got your back peter
I know i don't know it all... its just what my parents call me
by Mr. Know it all on Jun 15, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
You do realize nobody attacked Anothony J Peter right?
The closest thing to it is my “oh dear” comment.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 15, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
"your going to get torn up with this"
I know i don't know it all... its just what my parents call me
by Mr. Know it all on Jun 15, 2010 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
This is a pretty rough read Anthony. I don’t want to mean but you are going to get torn up with this
How dare jjham15 warn him that people will be critical of of this fanpost becaues it was difficult to read. He saw the guy was new and was giving him a heads up. It was nothing more than that Mr. Know it all.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 15, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
alright
I know i don't know it all... its just what my parents call me
by Mr. Know it all on Jun 16, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Good of you to have his back
By making his post look well-edited and intelligent by comparison.
StR Token Female
by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 15, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tell Savage Beast he owes you a kiss from me.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
I'm not sure Anthony wants you getting his back.
The funny thing about the internet is that when you don’t know what something means, Mr. Know it all, you can google that shit and find out before making a statement that contradicts your choice of call name. Please read the front page “Threadiquette- The Reminder” post by Section. If you don’t understand the bigger words, please go to dictionary.com and look them up, it will be an exercise that may just help “engage your other synapse”.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
I don't think his name is Peter, but I see attention to detail isn't your strong suit
What jjham did was try to help Anthony J Peters – he can easily edit his fanpost for clarity. If you take even the slightest bit of pride in what you post, you’re likely to find more people who will engage you in conversation of the subject at hand, rather than focus on your inadequacies with the English language.
If anything, jjham was being courteous.
Pacifist ass-kisser
come on dude...
Look at your first sentence, “I don’t want to mean but…”
It should say, “I don’t want to be mean, but…”
If you’re gonna try and rip someone just make sure you don’t double the mistake next time…I understand after reading that whole post it might have rubbed off on you a little :)
Dannyboy
He wasn't trying to rip him.
This post was literally very difficult to read. It wasn’t a case of small grammer mistakes.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
wall of words.
And we are trying to help, not send you running for the hills Anthony. Take the 5 minutes to proof read your post, edit it and run it back out here.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
Also
This is more suited as a comment, not a fanpost.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
(sniff)
I’m so proud! Y’all jumpin’ his butt ’bout grammar and punctuation and all.
StR Token Female
by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 15, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
I don’t want to be a dick to the poor guy. But I also don’t want to read what he wrote, almost solely because of the poor grammar and lack of punctuation and paragraphs.
The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"
As A Kings Fan...
I have my Favorite Whipping Boyz.
My last four have been Divac, Miller then Kmart… and now Hawes.
He was basically, Inconsistant as you mentioned. and seemingly always yelling at teamates for defensive breakdowns, of which I notice those players ignore his Pleas, much like the Refs.
He is only 20, I have to remember that. But I see the Window of Value slowing closing, and would not mind seeing him help the team, by providing us Goods in return.
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
Obligatory have you checked his ID joke.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
oh Damn...
And…. he is older than I thought. Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiet
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
Darn near ancient now.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
by chenp22 on Jun 16, 2010 6:23 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Love the Wire
Love Clay Davis
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jun 16, 2010 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Much better than This
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jun 16, 2010 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Point taken
Missed that on first read. I apologize.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jun 16, 2010 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, no need for apologies. It's fairly obscure if you haven't seen the show.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
But I have seen the show. Should have caught it.
It was a good reference.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jun 16, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
::::Hears Whistles:::::
/Runs
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
Yeah, Brad Miller taught him one thing, it was to look at the Ref with tears in his eyes….
I always thought he was about to Cry. I noticed the same look in my sons face, he is 4 and I just took away his mothers chapstick
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
Allow me to teach you the reply button ^^^
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 15, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks Wally
I guess this is the reason Vets hate playing with Rookies… Always making dumb mistakes.
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
Well I am not sure if I am a vet or not
and trust me, I make ALOT of mistakes.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 15, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure.
A lot is two words. ;-p
StR Token Female
by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 15, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
This makes me laugh.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
I thought funner was a word until about 3 years ago.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
Actually I grew up with some speech problems and somehow nobody corrected me on a few of my made up words.
It was about my junior year of college that I learned the word “Imaginate” was not a real word. Apparantly I thought my microsoft word was wrong all those years (seriously, I never understood why it kept saying I spelled that word wrong). I would use it as a past tense version of imagine like “When I was a kid I would imaginate that I was a baseball player.”
I guess everyone thought I was joking when I used that word.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 16, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lol! version.
you crack me up, with your made up words.
Oh, and it’s apparently, not apparantly. ;-p
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jun 16, 2010 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions
That's hilarious. Reke'd for convincing yourself that Microsoft Word was wrong.
At least I don’t feel alone on this now.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
It took someone 40 years to tell me that I said hunerd instead of hundred
"If my aunt had a set of nuts, she'd be my uncle"
Thanks for proving my point.
Now I will pretend I made that mistake on purpose.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 15, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I kinda side with Peters.........
I like Hawes as a player, and feel that the only thing slowing him down is consistency. And not all of it was his fault. Our whole team went in a diff direction last season, and with a new coach, came changes. I know I wasn’t the only one to notice how short the leash was on Hawes. And whether you want to admit it or not, messing with a players minutes can affect their play from night 2 night, and that’s what we saw last season. After the All-Star break, and everybody got settled with their roles, we started to see a more consistent player out of Hawes.
What if we brought in an established veteran big who can play 20-25 min a night. That way Hawes(only 22yrs old) can learn behind someone and still get minutes on the court. Somebody like Shaq, Brendan Haywood, or Jermaine O’neal. Then we could use the 5th pick to Draft or trade down, and pick up a partner for Reke in the back-court.
Kings get- OJ Mayo, 25th pick
Grizz get- 5th pick, (Maybe Noc)
Reke/Beno
Mayo/Garcia
Greene/Casspi
JT/Landry
(Shaq-Haywood-JO)/Hawes
KINGS WILL BE 10-11 CHAMPIONS
Why Would Memphis do this?
I could only imagine the ‘oneliners’ from Jerry in regards to Mayo
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
Aminu
They may want a replacement for Rudy Gay if he leaves, and they have Ronnie Brewer to replace Mayo.
KINGS WILL BE 10-11 CHAMPIONS
????
Could Rudy Gay play the 2 like McGrady, & if so, maybe we could just sign him.
Reke
Gay
Greene
JT
Cousins
KINGS WILL BE 10-11 CHAMPIONS
that would make the kings a playoff team
its possible, but i heard he may want a max contract and fuck that
I know i don't know it all... its just what my parents call me
by Mr. Know it all on Jun 15, 2010 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL!!!!
How exactly does TMac make us a playoff team? Did you see TMac play in NYK? It was nothing impressive by any means. Now if you have found the fountain of youth, then it’s another thing all together.
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
They're talkin about Rudy Gay actually
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 15, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
talking
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 15, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
its all good dude. im not an asshole like some people on here
I know i don't know it all... its just what my parents call me
by Mr. Know it all on Jun 15, 2010 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
The problem with signing Gay...
which I am personally all for, is that he is a restricted free agent which means that if the Grizzly make a qualifying offer of $4,422,784 then they retain the right to match any offer for his services. Why is this important? Memphis is not going to let Gay walk away if all he is offered is 5 years and 50 million dollars. They may not want to go to 5/60 or 5/70, but then you start competing with other people who have loads of money. It is a dangerous game to try to sign a RFA. While your money is tied up in an offer, other FA are going off the market. The only way to really sign one of these guys away, is to over pay greatly so you insure that the other team will not match because basically, you are placing all your eggs in a pretty shaky basket.
Again, I would take a risk with Gay if the Kings can sure up the front line @ #5 and the back court @ #33. Gay is better and will be better than any small forward the Kings currently have and he’s only 23. He’s going to cost but if you can add something like Cousins, Gay and Jordan Crawford to an already young and talented roster, you should be able to improve pretty quickly.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
Only if Gay plays the 2.....
I wouldn’t pay him the money if he can’t. Either Greene or Casspi will fill the 3 role next season. We need a back-court mate for Reke, & a big-man capable of playing in the post, both on offense and defense.
KINGS WILL BE 10-11 CHAMPIONS
We also need a three
Not saying Greene-Casspi can’t become that, but right now you are correct, they fill the role. And that’s not a complement. That job is open and is currently a Kings weakness.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
I think you missed my point.
Rudy Gay is substantially better than either Omri Casspi or Donté Greene- that I can back up with statistics. He is better today and he will be better over the next 5 years. That isn’t a knock on either player, it is statement or an opinion. If the Kings were to sign a player like Gay, it would spell the end of the Greene experiment. Omri Casspi is too valuable as a player and marketing tool to go anywhere. I think both Gay and Casspi can steal minutes at the two but neither player would be a natural fit there. The reason you add Gay is because you want to be a better team. Omri can develop but realistically, he doesn’t have the natural athletic ability to hang with a player like Gay and I am a huge Omri fan.
Jason Thompson isn’t Dwight Howard.
Beno isn’t Darren Williams
Spencer isn’t Vlade Divac
Omri Casspi is not Rudy Gay
and so on…..
Is Gay the perfect free agent signing? Probably not but he could be a great with Evans and a player like Cousins.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
I can't back up this opinion but I am going with my gut
Rudy Gay strikes me as a guy who coasts on excessive talent and athletecism who plays for his stats and the paycheck it produces. Rasheed Wallace without the fire.
by betweentheeyes on Jun 16, 2010 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Well
He is better today and he will be better over the next 5 years. That isn’t a knock on either player, it is statement or an opinion
It’s an opinion I just don’t agree with, but that’s okay.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
All Brewers look alike.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
this comment kind of cracked me up
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 16, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn't want to say anything.........
wro"m"g team.
Mistakes happen, I guess.
KINGS WILL BE 10-11 CHAMPIONS
Seriously
One time at work, I was sending out a confirmation of dispatched goods to a company named General Pants.
Imagine my horror receiving an email back from their company asking why I called them Genetal Pants. Why did they have to put the R next to the T?
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
I once sent an email to my superviser Dan
except in the intro I wrote
Hey Dad
And we have NEVER spoken about it at all. All kinds of awkward.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 16, 2010 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
and with the 25 hope bradley falls
I know i don't know it all... its just what my parents call me
by Mr. Know it all on Jun 15, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Delk'd
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
This.
/ducks and runs from sims.
StR Token Female
by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 15, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
One of the few who likes Hawes
I just think he has a lot more game than he is shown. Is that bad?
Nope
I like Spence too.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Haha
I think different peoeple have different expectations for different players. Spencer just happens to be, IMO, a polarizing figure because of his position and the way it’s viewed by many. He hasn’t helped his case either a couple incidents.
But there’s still some people who believe he can still help the Kings down the road.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
I like Spencer too, but feel he MUST show significant growth this year for me to have any more faith in him.
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
No doubt, Shizzo
But I’d change the word from “growth” to “consistency”
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Some nights
When I watched them play, he looked like the best big man on the floor, even against some teams.
We forget, he played his best ball against some of the best big men, remember the games against the Lakers. He crushed their twin towers all year long.
So I do believe he could be a very good Center for us, but edm7 said it “Consistency” is the thing we need from Spence.
well I mean strength and back-to-the-basket skills too
I guess i’m one of those fans wanting to shove a square peg into a round hole. I just see that half hook, soft touch around the basket, good IQ and think about how great he could really be.
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
I think we all hope he turns into Gasol
But I think he will eventually turn into Gasol-lite. Good enough for a role player.
Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
by sac_faithful on Jun 16, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Not if he lands in another NBA city we don't.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
Hawes
I agree Hawes has been jerked around, but if he was playing better consistently, that wouldn’t happen. Make-or-break season for Spencer. I hear the Tea Party calling.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
I agree
I think the only reason we don’t draft a big is because the Kings would really want to see Hawes excel and become a better player than the past this year.
I think if they do pass on a big, and he does not perform, the draft will give us a big next year, or in FA. But I also think this may be a make or break.
I also like the comment earlier this post about Hawes at the 4 and DMC at Center, that would be a tough front court to match up with.
I think the only way we pass on a big is if Turner somehow drops to 5.
So, we’re getting a big with our first pick, methinks.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Yeah
I don’t think we pick Johnson even if he falls to us.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I guess Philly was calling instead
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
the same post, edited with better grammer!
So I wrote a fanpost yesterday that was almost universally bashed, and so I decided, to get myself back in good grace with the readers, I would do my fair share of community service. Here is Anthony J Peters’ thoughts, posted in my words. Enjoy:
***DISCLAIMER: The following post does not necessarily reflect the views of gregsactly*
So I figured I would write my opinion of each of our players. To start the series, here is my take on Spencer Hawes: Certainly we know Hawes can pass the ball well for a big man and that’s a good thing. While Hawes has occasionally put up big numbers, the most consistent part of his game is his inconsistency. The season was a roller coaster for Hawes: He went from having a monster game in LA to being benched in a matter of weeks. He returned to have a few more big games, but by the end of the season, he had shut down. Because of his youth, I still think he could have a solid future on this team. I see him eventually putting up about 15 and 10, and, as we know this is a contract year for him, these numbers had better come sooner than later. If he is able to stay healthy and develop some consistency, I think we will have a much better idea of who Spencer Hawes is by the end of the year.
by gregsactly on Jun 15, 2010 11:01 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Very nice work.
I think it is important that people know that they can go back and fix this stuff by going to the “manage Fanpost” button in the upper right hand corner of the StR page. This post would have only taken 5 minutes to edit. It should have been done before posting but the option is still available.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
by jjham15 on Jun 15, 2010 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Rec'd in hope it turns green and new people see the information.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 15, 2010 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Rec'd
Especially for the hilarity of misspelling “grammar” in the subject line!
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 16, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hawes is just 3 years away from what he may become
[insert lttg’s age limit rant HERE]
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
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