Monroe and Whiteside to work out for Kings again
"The Kings will take a second look at Georgetown sophomore Greg Monroe and Marshall freshman Hassan Whiteside in a pre-draft workout on Saturday...
I've heard the Kings like Monroe, but bringing Whiteside back is interesting. Whiteside isn't considered a top-5 prospect by most pundits, but who knows?
Maybe the Kings see something in him or they plan to trade down and select Whiteside."
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Players for Friday workout
Keith “Tiny” Gallon, F, Oklahoma (6-10, 302)
Stanley Robinson, F, Connecticut (6-8, 213)
Nic Wise, G, Arizona (5-10, 177)
Demond “Tweety” Carter, G, Baylor (5-11, 185)
Omar Samhan, C, Saint Mary’s (6-11, 265)
I completely forgot about baylor's Gs
What do you think about carter and dunn, nbrans?
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by edm7 on Jun 15, 2010 7:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Dunn is back at Baylor, right?
Carter is okay, but probably too small and not athletic enough for the NBA.
I liked Dunn a lot when I watched him in the tourney
I didn’t know he was going back. Thanks for the info
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Yeah, he's a fun player to watch
He’s in that dreaded 6’4"-and-not-freakish-athlete range, but he could be a sleeper next year.
Bring back Whiteside to defend Monroe.
want to see how many of Monroe’s shots Whiteside can block.
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I think that's why they're bringing him in...
They’re just using Whiteside to test Monroe…
by getPGwithbounce on Jun 15, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Certainly not the other way around, since Monroe doesn't play defense.
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Can't you test Whiteside's defense?
Monroe is known for his offense — they could use some 3v3 with Elie, Bobby, etc. to test Whiteside’s instincts against Monroe.
The spin game after this workout is going to be incredible.
This is what I'm hoping for.
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In that they'll have Monroe go 1 v. 1 against Whiteside.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
The biggest knock on Hassan's defense is that he gives up position too easily
Mainly because of his lack of strength, and also because he feels like he can anticipate enough to try to block the shot. I saw this a little bit when he played v. Udoh, but he was still the best (or second best actually, Aldrich was the opposite in that he didn’t block shots but he didn’t give up any position) post defender in that workout (again I only saw about 15 minutes).
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knock examples
He got worked by Hilton Armstrong in a workout, and he got worked
by potential 33rd pick Jerome Jordan during the season.
I hope the rumors of Petrie being high on Monroe aren’t true.
Assuming he impressed the brass in one on ones against the other
bigs in that work out, going up against Monroe is as good as it gets for Whiteside, unless you think Favors and/or Cousins are going to make a return visit to go one one one with him.
by getPGwithbounce on Jun 16, 2010 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Is there a rule against current NBA players playing against prospects in workouts?
"......but Curry had a better TS%"
I think this cuts the field a bit
I like it
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by edm7 on Jun 15, 2010 7:19 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
i just wish
that Cousins would also be in this workout
"I have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot...and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why... I succeed." Michael Jordan.
Or maybe his last workout sold them to him
and they just want to be ready with Monroe or Whiteside should the T-Wolves take Cousins
Let's have that whole 'smokescreen' conversation again . . . .
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Are you trying to hide your real meaning behind the smokescreen smokescreen?
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 16, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
No, but I might if I should
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Noooooooooooooooooo
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 16, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Joke If You Will
But there is a very real possibility that the Kings are very very interested in Cousins and will do anything to show that they don’t really care about him…like bring Monroe back and talk about a trade with for Prince.
ailene voisin is wack!
yeah
you could psych yourself out all day on this stuff. I don’t think the Kings are big on smokescreens, just secrecy.
Yeah. I agree.
I highly doubt if they are bringing Monroe back to create or reinforce a smokescreen. More likely, they are just considering all the different possibilities.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
But what if they're really interested in Prince and talking up Cousins is the real smokescreen
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 16, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Ok
I disagree and I’m not psyched out..thanks. But they aren’t talking up Cousins.
ailene voisin is wack!
Perhaps you missed this
Cousins had an excellent workout with the Sacramento Kings, grading out as the best shooter to visit Sacramento in the predraft process. He hit 78 percent of his shots in the workout, including a lot of pick-and-pop attempts.
And you may have also missed the sarcasm in my post, as well.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 16, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Chasm
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I saw that link thanks
But there were also news stories that framed that “leak” as something put out there by Cousins’ rookie agent…in other words, some folks claimed that the story wasn’t legit.
ailene voisin is wack!
It wasn't that the story wasn't legit
It was that it was leaked by the agent not the Kings. The agent was just trying to raise DMCs value while the Kings probably wanted to keep things quiet.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Seems to me they have talked up Cousins (or allowed everyone to talk up Cousins) moreso than any other player.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 16, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
right - and GM's know where that stuff comes from
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but you don't have a situation where the team corrected the agent
Or said something publicly about how shooting 78% with nobody guarding him really doesn’t matter. They didn’t try to frame the story in any way. They might not be actively talking up Cousins but it’s not like they are trying to trick everyone into thinking they don’t care about him.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 16, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Gee I wonder if we are planning on drafting a big
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I knew it
I was 90% certain the Kings would bring back Whiteside.
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This works even better for me too
You guys will know why Thursday hopefully.
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I think they want Whiteside
I really have to say that I liked what I saw…
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Is it just me?
From what I saw on the Monroe workout. He looked really slow. I’m not a fan. Hopefully there just bringing him maybe to see what Hasaan can do against him.
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He did look really slow
But then again I’m pretty sure The Kings only released part of the workout video
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Maybe Petrie is in talks with teams, so he can aquire Whiteside on draft night
and keep our 5th pick
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That is an interesting thought.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
wishful thinking
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
It's certainly not out ot the realm of possibilty
If Favors & Cousins are gone by 5, I could see Petrie trying to decide whether to take Monroe at 5, Or take Johnson at 5 then trade for IND or NOH pick and take Whiteside at 10 or 11. Obviously, Whiteside won’t have the immediate impact of the other bigs, but we still have JT & Spencer for Whiteside to play behind until he’s ready for serious minutes.
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Indy isn't giving up thier pick except to move up.
Neworl? Maybe.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
If NewOrl was to give up Collison?
If Cousins is gone and think we might move down and take Whiteside or Monroe if he’s still there.
I could see Monroe falling to #11 maybe
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
The Kings are looking for a big that can contribute now
that’s why they’re hot for Cousins and Monroe. I think they brought back Monroe to reaffirm their feeling that he’s better than what they already have or at least will be.
They might have brought back Whiteside to give Monroe a defensive challenge while at the same time deciding if he has a good enough upside to go after as a player to develop should they decide not to take Monroe.
But if the Kings do decide to try for Whiteside, I don’t think they need to go after Collison too. Just offer NO cap relief for their pick. Maybe Peja for Noc. Saves NO $6.5M this year and gets them out of Lux Tax, and if they can buy out Noc they save even more. The Kings get Peja for about the same price as Noc, and end up with an expiring at the trade deadline that they could use in a trade with their cap space.
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I'm assuming
The Kings like Monroe & Whiteside but were really impressed by Cousins(or Favors). Maybe possible concerns about Cousins has made the Kings want to bring back Monroe & Whiteside to see if Cousins is that much better. Making him too hard to pass up.
I am thrilled the Kings are bringing back Whiteside. They must have seen the same things as Aykis. If Petrie likes Whiteside then I like Whiteside.
I love beating dead horses.
Or
To see if a combination of Whiteside & anonymous trade aquisition would be better than just taking Cousins & his issues
I love beating dead horses.
"Petrie doesn't trade down or up"
How many time have we heard people say this in some form or another… Didn’t something like that happen with Sergio and Brockman? I can’t remember just how it worked. Was that how it went down?
It isn’t outside of reason to think that the Kings trade down and pick Whiteside…
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Say Cousins and Favors are gone before #5
They still need to know whom to pick in that scenario. They might even be able to trade down a couple spots and still get one of them. I’m glad they’re exploring all their options, because banking on Cousins being there because Chad Ford or some other online analrapist analist says he will be would be pretty silly.
It’s not like Petrie always gets his top guy. For example, I’m sure Petrie would’ve taken Noah had he been available when Hawes was drafted.
I’m pretty sure the Kings have a list of their top choices, and I’m sure Cousins is close to the top of that list. I doubt that bringing Monroe and Whitesite back for another workout will change what they think of Cousins.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jun 15, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Combolations on getting it
I wasn’t sure if any true HRfans were hanging around here.
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Jun 15, 2010 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
IFFFFFFFFF!!!!!
IF Cousins and Favors are off the board at 5 than that means Wesley Johnson will be available. In that case I would hope the kings trade down with a team that is big on wes. I just dont know how they could turn the 5 into two fisrt round picks.
This might be the contingency plan.
I really got the feeling when listening to Jerry Reynolds that the Kings were focusing on big men. If Johnson or Turner fall to them, I could see the Kings drafting the best big instead or trading back to get one of these guys. I’m a little more sold on Monroe than I am on Whiteside. This definitely tells me that Udoh, Aldrich and Richards are not on par with Monroe, and the Kings want to know if Whiteside is.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
I'm really hoping that this workout
is going to feature some Monroe v. Whiteside. Whiteside’s agent should be all for it (his agent is coincidentally the same as JTs) since he has nothing to lose, but Monroe’s agent might be more wary.
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I would love that
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 15, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd actually be more interested to see how Whiteside's offense does against Monroe's defense
Because I’m convinced that Whiteside’s defense would be better than Monroe’s offense (as he tends to be a bit more of a high post player).
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Nope
Got work. Also likely won’t be viewable to the media but I will ask.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Likely won't know until the draft.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 15, 2010 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
BLASPHEMY!
No but for real, maybe the Kings are hyping Cousins up to drum up trade interest/bidding wars for the 5th pick. Or perhaps hyping him up so that Johnson falls to 5? I dunno. But Petrie’s ploys seem to always work. He’s a master of the misdirection.
I agree
We are on the same page. Pistons want Cousins and I think Petrie wants Prince and will draft Monroe @ #7.
by g4y Vulture on Jun 15, 2010 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
We are not trading away a chance at Cousins
I think the Kings would take DMC at #2, ahead of Favors and Turner, if they had the second pick. The Kings frontline has been getting pushed and bullied for last five seasons, and Geoff has stood in the Arco tunnel and witnessed every gory minute. Only last year with Brockman and Tyreke, and starting with Nocionni trade, have we decided to find players who are willing to dish as much as they take. Adding DMC would build on this new philosophy.
by bench_blob on Jun 15, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We are not trading away a chance at Cousins
That’s what you want, but nobody knows what Petrie is thinking.
by duballers23 on Jun 15, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Latest mock draft has Cousins #7
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/draft;_ylt=Ao2Txo1Zw8Tt84wxDUjd3K28vLYF
The Kings taking Monroe over Cousins. I still want Cousins because he will throw players around in the post. Monroe’s 3.8 assists per game has GP reminiscing of Vlade in the post.
by g4y Vulture on Jun 16, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm in agreement with b_b here
I think we might take Cousins at #2 – maybe
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
This is hard to argue against. It just makes a lot of sense.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
I agree with you bench mob
All of this interest in Whiteside and Monroe is geared to take attention away from Cousins. Like the Kings would really take Prince from Det…Please!
ailene voisin is wack!
Incredibly hard to argue with that workout he had for us
Just tooo impressive.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
But not for Prince. No way. Makes no sense to acquire another SF at this point.
ailene voisin is wack!
Stuckey?
If Cousins isn’t there I would trade with them if they give us Stuckey. Then we get either Monroe or Whiteside.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Forget Detroit
That all sounds like wishful thinking started by someone from – Detroit.
I don’t see anything there.unless they really are willing to give up Jerebko or Stuckey – which they aren’t.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Nobody trades out of the the top 4 in a perceived 4 player draft
not unless you give up a star, which we don’t have to give.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Whis is why
The KIngs shouldn’t trade the 5th pick for a one-year rental of Prince.
ailene voisin is wack!
I think it would be a net negative
what do you gain from it? Does he sell tix? I don’t think so. He just gets in the way of us finding out whether/which of Casspi/Donte’ can be our starter.
With our cap situation, the money is pretty meaningless as well. I’m pretty certain It would be cheaper just to buy Noce out.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
seriously,
Prince is owed 12 mil, Noce will take a lot less than that to go to europe I think
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
This is a really good point
You subtract what he makes in Europe from the buyout and negotiate the buyout downwards. I wouldn’t be surprised if that is all but a done deal.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
If there's a lock out it won't make any difference.
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I agree
And some folks thinks I’m really crazy on here, but I think all the Prince talk is a smokescreen to show that the Kings have major doubts in drafting a player (Cousins) with the number 5 pick.
ailene voisin is wack!
Prince talk from the Kings? When?
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Stuckey?
NO WAY! He’s a poor man’s Tyreke. We need to shooter to put next to Tyreke, not another slasher.
ailene voisin is wack!
Good point, but we need one more PG/SG
We are just a little thin at the PG/SG position. I know Francisco can play some SG, but his ball handling just was not there after his injury. If he can’t get that back we are definitely thin…
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Yes But
Since the Kings are where they are, they should give Garcia a chance to come back strong and see what happens. Hows about draft Cousins and sign Raymond Felton?
ailene voisin is wack!
I would be cool with that.
I am on the Cousins bandwagon at this point and think Felton is solid.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Yeah
Nobody talks about the lesser free agents, but Felton may like to come out to sunny California and get out from under the wrath of coach Brown. Felton is tough, can create more than Stuckey, and he’s a great shooter.
ailene voisin is wack!
Interesting thought on Felton
Might be worthwhile to get a list of all the lesser FAs
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Great shooter?
He’s a career 41% shooter, and career 32% from the three point line. He did have a good year, but it was also a contract year. But MustangMBS is right, Felton is solid; I just don’t like him for the Kings.
by kingsfan300 on Jun 16, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Steve Blake UFA career .393 from 3's
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I would prefer Blake as well
I think he would work with Tyreke for the same reasons that Udrih does. He is unselfish, can handle the ball, distribute, and has a good jump shot with better range than Udrih.
Also, isn’t blake an unrestricted free agent? If so, the kings might be able to sign him without having to worry about outbidding his 09-10 team.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
thinking too hard
Petrie just takes the best available. Likely wants Cousins but knows there’s a real chance that Minny will take him at 4, so he wants to be ready in case that scenario arises. Whiteside and Monroe apparently are this two next in line, and wants to see them in action again. Not that hard.
We only take Monroe
if Favors and Cousins are gone at #5. I know Petrie likes Monroe and his 3.8 assists per game. Incredible stat for a center.
by g4y Vulture on Jun 16, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd be ok with acquiring Prince.
But only because it would mean I could get my own, jersey since we share the same last name.
Zing.
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Comma fail.
So much grammar talk lately has led me to review all my posts and realize English is definitely not my first language.
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I've been for drafting Cousin as long as anyone
but as I said in the thread with the workout video, I’d still like to see him go man to man in the low blocks before I anoint him POY. Size alone isn’t going to stop us from being pushed around and bullied. And, if Cousins gets down to his playing weight of 270-275, he’s not going to be all that much bigger than Favors or even JT.
When you look at the Center in the West, not too many of the bigger ones but the ball on the floor and back their man down and dunk over them. Shaq could do that, but most of todays centers will get position and if the ball is feed into them, then they’ll go up and over the defender. And, keeping them from getting position takes footwork and strength, not weight.
I like Cousins for his length, size, foot speed, and offense skill set. This defensive man to man ability against NBA centers is still debateable. And, he had foul troubles in college. If the choice between Favors and Cousins was based on their low post defense, I’d say it’s still yet to be determined.
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The pistons dont have 1 player that the Kings should take instead f cousins. LOL
by MarcusC on Jun 16, 2010 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with this.
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Jerebko?
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't understand this obsession with Jerebko
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He's Omri with a (much) lower ceiling, less range, better defense.
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I don't think we need him
but he’s a quality young that can maybe play stretch 4 and be worth something to someone else.
I was just throwing ou the one guy Detroit has that I might be interested in if our guy was gone at 5 and we could get our next choice at 7.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
You guys are starting to believe again that you know what GP is thinking
Tsk Tsk
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
Offense vs Defense
I wonder who’s going to win.
In any case, bringing back both players for a second workout means Petrie must be pretty high on both players. No wonder he’s considering trade options to trade down. There’s a good chance any of these bigs that we’re big on and Petrie is big on will be available with the 7th through 9th picks.
Odd man out.........???
This is really a big choice for the kings. Everyone is already made up their minds about one thing, Hawes is done. But the only way I see that (possibly) happening is if we take Cousins. Now with the news that the kings are also high on Monroe, and the possibility of Favors falling to us, I dont see how we can move away from Hawes.
Draft Effect
Cousins- Hawes takes a backseat, unless we want a tall backcourt.(Both being capable of playing the 4)
Favors- JT is the oddman out. Hawes is the only legit 5, & Landry is the only post scorer.(Unless JT, Hawes, or Favors improve their post scoring, then it’s Landry)
Monroe- Landry goes here, or he returns to his role as a 6th man. Monroe is a 4, I can’t see him banging down low with Howard or Bynum.
KINGS WILL BE 10-11 CHAMPIONS
That's why we need Cousins
So if anything Hawes can come off the bench this upcoming season…
The Kings can offer him a 4 year 11 million contract, and if Hawes declines trade him at the trade dealine for someone or a draft pick.
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Hawes is done?
Speak for yourself, I think he is ready to emerge as a player. Hawes is most effective as a high post center. DMC belongs on the block. Despite his size, he has PF skills. I can actually see a twin towers look with Hawes and DMC playing together. DMC has the agility to guard most PFs, and obviously he has the bulk.
We are not getting Favors, so there is no reason to speculate on the consequences.
I see JT as odd man out if DMC is brought on board. JTs biggest strength is rebounding, and DMC will probably turn into a better rebounder. I would like to see JT packaged in a deal for a SG if we land DMC.
Disagree
I thought JT did great at the center position. He is a better defender than Hawes, hands down. DMC would play PF and JT center.
by g4y Vulture on Jun 15, 2010 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't say Hawes was done
But I’m pretty positive Hawes ceiling is not that much higher
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wow
I don’t think that’s true at all. Its just going to take a few more years and even then he’ll never be a banger. Hawes (health permitting) will be in the league a long time, either as a starter or as the 3rd big.
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I have to agree.
As frustrating as Hawes’ inconsistency has been, he still has a good base skillset and lots of offensive potential. It would be a mistake to have spent three years helping him learn, just to scrap the project. Its tough to be patient, but I think Hawes still has a good amount of potential from growth.
"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."
JT is pretty good at center.
I think Hawes is still useful, and still more polished that Monroe, Whiteside, or Favors.
If any of those guys end up here, and emerges as a star, there is no reason to think Hawes cannot still bolster the frontcourt by coming off the bench.
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Monroe
Will play center in the NBA. Landry would stay at the 4 if Kings end up drafting him.
by g4y Vulture on Jun 16, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Contingency Plan
DMC is the obvious choice. But we need a Plan B. And we don’t seem to be too keen on a 23 year old swingman with questionable SG skills (Wesley Johnson), thankfully.
So if the draft goes:
1. Wall
2. DMC
3. Favors
4. Turner
…and there is a fair to decent chance that could happen, and the Kings know it, then we need to decide if Whiteside or Monroe is the better prospect. There is likely internal debate as to the better player, and another workout could solidify or sway some opinions, first and foremost Geoff’s. None of this decision making would preclude a trade with Pistons or lower, assuming the guy we target slides to that spot.
Until there is some indication otherwise, I don’t think Wesley Johnson is on our radar.
I think Wesley Johnson has a guarantee from the T-Wolves.
which will likely only be jeopardized if Turner somehow falls to 4.
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What makes you think this?
I’ve heard the same thing about Johnson, but I’ve also heard that Minny isn’t set on a pick. A think they should pick Johnson, but it doesn’t quite seem they are set on him.
ailene voisin is wack!
I think he's right
They’ve told him that he’s thier guy as long as things unfold as currently predicted.
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Then
Minny fans on their blog really don’t like Johnson, but it makes total sense to grab a wing player. Plus, King Kahn can’t keep creating log jams for both the benefit of the team and his job security.
ailene voisin is wack!
Good god!
Have they Watched their team?
I can’t think of another team so desperately in need of some wing scoring.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
And this way they don't have to spend 70 million on Rudy Gay.
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I agree
The Minny fans are a bit greedy. Much of their posts, in the comments section, discuss how they Wolves need to acquire another – yes another – lottery pick so they can pick Cousins and either Turner or Johnson. I think the coldness has gotten to their brains. Overall, much of the Minny fans on Canius Hoopis want Cousins and agrue they he can play with Big Al or Love…
ailene voisin is wack!
They are incorrect
If they took Cousins, someone would have to go. As it is, Al and Love don’t work that well together.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Why is it that Al and Love don't work together?
Also, I can see Cousins and Love being pretty good together. Jefferson and Cousins would dominate inside, but as you said they’d have no outside scoring.
Kahn has made it pretty clear that he’s afraid that if Darko and Pecherov don’t resign, they won’t have enough size to compete in the West. I think they’re between the rock and the hard place, no outside scoring and their best two bigs can’t play together. Well, at least not in the Triangle offense.
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I think neither Love, Al or Cousins can guard a lot of 4s very well
and all play right at the rim on offense.
They’re just not ideal together if you’re building from the ground up, which Minnie is.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought Love shoot better from outside
but after looking it up, I see that he shoots worst than Spencer.
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As much as it doesn't make sense to logical people like us
We are talking about Davi Kahn here. Though as others have mentioned Wes Johnson will be a stud most likely. Even if we draft Cousins & he becomes ROY as long as Wes is in the ROY conversation Kahn is safe. If Kahn drafts Cousins & he blows up possibly over his role/playing time or Cousins gets big minutes but doesn’t mesh with Al or Love thus underachieves. It would be a disaster for Kahn’s employment & rep.
I love beating dead horses.
If you were a GM
You’re not going to tell the media that you’ve already decided on who your gonna pick. That would alienate the fanbase and take away all potential leverage in trades. For example, the Wolves might take Cousins just to trade him to the team that takes Johnson.
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Why wouldn't the Kings like Johnson?
I understand the redundancy part, but the guy could be a nearly ideal backcourt mate.
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
We tried...
a pure SG next to Tyreke. His name was Kevin Martin. It didn’t work. Because Tyreke is not a pure PG, his backcourt mate needs to be able to create, for others and himself (like Beno), not just stand around and spot shoot, or wait for a pass. Nothing Wes Johnson did at Syracuse indicates he can play SG.
K-Mart had blazing quickness and first step when he came into the league. Wesley is an explosive jumper, but he doesn’t beat defenders off the dribble like K-Mart did. Nor does Wes have a strong post game. And he is old, relatively. He is not reputed as a tough or physical player, contrary to the type of player Geoff wants to add. He’s an undeniable talent, and will find a place in the league. But we won’t pick him.
To be fair
We didn’t try. How many games did Tyreke and Kevin play together?
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Also I agree Reke didn't possess the playmaking ability needed during the beginning of the season
but he consistently improved as his rookie campaign progressed, and i have no reason to believe he won’t improve just as much on ward.
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
I think you are right in your analysis.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
Monroe's back?
Why would the Kings bring Monroe back if they weren’t going to trade down or think highly of DMC? IMO..this is a backup plan in case all fails, I don’t think GP knows what’s going on here….don’t tell me he’s clueless. I think he’s going to package Noc, Garcia and #5 to a team in the top 10 and then use that pick to get one of these cats if they are still there.
"I'm bleeding purple!"
I just don't see a trade
because if Cousins is there at 5 we take him, but if he’s not, the 5 isn’t going to fetch as much in a trade as we hope. Detroit and Utah aren’t beating down the door for Wes Johnson
That's interesting
assuming Cousins IS gone, who behind us really needs a SF? (which I maintain we do not)
Clippers? Jazz?, Hornets? Grizzlies? And what else do they have that we want? Maybe Aykis’ favorite bench big?
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Fes isn't my favorite bench big
Gortat is. Also, Fes is a free agent.
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Orlando wants to shake things up
But I don’t see anything on draft day . . . .
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I think
I think that Petrie thinks that teams think that he thinks that he wants Cousins, when in reality he’s thinking of trading down, I think. oww!!
I think you are right, I think.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
Whiteside, Monroe return (as did Holliday, Evans)
Have the Kings ever drafted a first rounder that did not come in for a work out?
Those who have not worked out: Wall, Turner, Johnson, Patterson, Heywood, Babbitt, Aminu, Henry in the Top 12-ish
by betweentheeyes on Jun 15, 2010 10:23 PM PDT reply actions
JR said we would definitely draft Wall if he drops to 5
so that’s a lock
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
Favors or Cousins would excite me
Whiteside or Monroe would only make me hopeful
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
Question
What if the Prince rumor is true, but we are just relieving them for cap room and there are no draft picks exchanged. This would give us a solid player for the year while waiting for the CBA to get signed…..
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
Crap...now I'm trying to figure out GP
I am an American idiot
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
I think they would definitely want to swap picks
I doubt they would take Nocioni and Garcia for Prince without swapping picks.
by duballers23 on Jun 15, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I was suggesting Prince for nothing
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
Not a fan of this
Takes minutes away from Omri and Donte. Plus, I doubt they want to spend money simply to “improve” (i don’t view it as true improvement since it’s only a bandaid) with high hopes to sneak into the playoffs.
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
Whiteside = Jason Thompson
I don’t like what I’ve seen of him. Why do we need a duplicate of what we already have? A late blooming big from a small bball school who will need time to adjust to top flight competition. He is too skinny in the lower bottom and will get manhandled underneath until he develops some thickness. He’s quick and has some outside game but that is a duplicate of JT. The Kings must not have liked Udoh who seems to be projecting top 10 now or Geoff is being coy. Monroe = Spencer Hawes. I really hope it doesn’t come down to these two – it would be like Petrie Narcissism- falling in love with the picks he’s already made and haven’t worked.
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by bringbackbuddytrees on Jun 16, 2010 6:05 AM PDT reply actions
Marshall is in Conference USA
It’s a significantly better conference than the MAAC. (Sorry B.)
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Whiteside is nothing like JT
JT has exceptional ball handling skills and can pass. He’s also strong as an ox but doesn’t quite have the foot work down for post defense, although he’s getting better.
Whiteside meanwhile only had 9 assists TOTAL for his entire season, while also having trouble making decisions with the ball when he was double teamed. He also is a much better shot blocker than JT and a lot less strong.
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My Bad
The Green Wave of Tulane, The Rice Owls, UTEP and SMU are just like the ACC or Pac-10.
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by bringbackbuddytrees on Jun 16, 2010 6:32 AM PDT reply actions
You're so right!
Tyreke is certainly going to be a bust too, right? After all, he played against those same schools!
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by Exhibit G on Jun 16, 2010 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Logic Fail
Tyreke’s greatness is not supposed to be quantified with logic.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 16, 2010 6:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know!
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And yet his expression is all, "I got this."
by nbrans on Jun 16, 2010 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
so true
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 16, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
That picture is so cute. Rec'd
Not only that, Pookey makes a valid argument with it.
Tyreke’s greatness is not supposed to be quantified with logic.
Moral of the story: Cats who get their feet wet, roll big melons. I think describes Tyreke pretty well.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
by Slam_Dunk on Jun 16, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
I'm not going to just sit here all day waiting for an appropriately illustrated response to the lady's "big melons" remark.
Oh, of course I am.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jun 16, 2010 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
That’s a darn good story.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 16, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I really don't get Monroe
A slow big man, with limited atleticism, good passing/shooting ability, limited blocking ability…. Sounds like the 3 bigs we have on our roster already. I like Whiteside better as he gives a different look for a team that hasa multiple of the same typecast player.
BUT, IMO niether player is within the tier that the big 5 (JW,ET,DF,DMF,WJ) are in, or even in the same class as the next tier (Aminu). Just seems like a waste to use a top 10 pick on a player like Monroe who we have 3 of on our team already, or Whiteside who is a real project with Patrick O’Bryant possibility.
PASS on BOTH!
At least at #5
but you have to take someone or do something . . . .
As much as I think Whiteside has a chance to be an excellent NBA goaltender, something we really need, #5 wouldn’t be a fantastic value.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Amick via Twitter
On that Kings front, here’s the info I’ve gathered: The 1-2 wish list for No. 5 pick is Kentucky’s Cousins and Georgetown’s Monroe.
by nbrans on Jun 16, 2010 9:50 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
If they really want Cousins then they likely are going to get their man.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 16, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't know
I’d obviously be happy with that outcome, but I still feel like Wall/Turner/Favors/Cousins are going to go top 4.
So long as either Favors or Cousins is sitting there I would be happy.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 16, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Minny takes Cousins? I don't see it.
Now, Favors? Yep. Philly, Philly, Philly
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Either Philly takes Cousins
Or there could very well be a trade. I just have a really hard time seeing Johnson go before Cousins. Stranger things have happened obviously, but I think Minny would trade out or back in that situation.
Im sure they'd like to get some value
but with other teams knowing that a) Cousins won’t work out there b) Johnson worked out there very well, I’m not sure many would blink if Kahn called them up and said we’re going to take Cousins, what are you going to offer us along with Johnson.
Petrie (or anyone else) could say, OK we’re worried about Cousins’ red flags, we’ll be fine with Monroe, GTFO.
Philly is the wild card
at least that’s my read at this point.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I just don't see many teams willing to take on Brand
I would think the Kings would be the only team that really could work out a trade with the 76ers.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 16, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Is it worth taking Brand to get Cousins?
Dam! Brand is making some cash. 50 mil through 2013?
ailene voisin is wack!
We aren't either
It would have to be someone else
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I just can't think of anyone else.
I would think Phili’s goal would be (1) stay in top 5 and (2) shave off some salary. They can’t drop too far or else the fans will kill them for it.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 16, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
They may be regretting the Louis Williams signing
That’s as far as the Kings would go I think. A back-up PG who is less than Beno for nearly the same money though. . . .
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't be suprised
It could be one of those 11th hour workouts to put just that in Kahn’s head.
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if there is less of that gamesmanship going on than we think
These GMs still have to work with and trust each other over the long haul. If you feel that a guy’s always looking to screw you, you probably aren’t going to keep taking his phone calls.
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by otis29 on Jun 16, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
With Kahn?
As long as you don’t lie, say nothing, I think ‘all is fair . . . .’
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe
I just disagree. I don’t see Petrie bringing guys in and wasting his time or the player’s time just to play mind games with another GM.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
I think he is genuinely interested in the players he brings in
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
I agree actually
I think we have watched a few too many spy movies. I just don’t think people are this evil smart.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 16, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
I don’t think teams put as much resources into spin and gamesmanship as we suspect. Or, at least the Kings don’t. Geoff is coy and doesn’t reveal much, and he doesn’t BS or mislead much either.
'reply' button man
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by lietothegirls on Jun 16, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe.......
Petrie wants Johnson and does not need to work him out. Blow up Cousins value so some team trades up with Minn for him and lets Johnson drop to 5.
Johnson>Monroe or Whiteside
I have wanted Wes Johnson since day 1. Play him at SG. Evans-Johnson backcourt would be just nasty
And maybe he is working another deal like Beno to Indiana for Ford and #10? Pick Whiteside at 10.
Evans
Johnson
Greene
Landry
Whiteside.
2-3 years from now deep playoff run
I think most GM's have enough scouts that they can make up their own mind without playing mind games with Petrie.
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I think
Petrie’s just working out “the other Two” after seeing DMC work out. To see if the measure up. If they do, maybe he trades down. If they don’t look near as good as Cousins. He’s the guy.
Yea, Petrie is getting pretty senile, and probably forgot how they looked the last time they where here.
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