Scoop: Sixers agree to trade Dalembert to Kings for Nocioni and Hawes. Link coming shortly ...
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Ruh roh
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Traded a 21 year old Center with low cost
For a 29 year old under achiever with 23+ mil left on his contract. Stupid ass Petrie. Stick to drafting, not trading.
by mike murray on Jun 17, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Negative
One year left on Dalembert’s contract, according to Sham Sports.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
yeah i misread
But still. Should have told Noci to suck it up, and let him walk back to Europe. I hate this trade.
by mike murray on Jun 17, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Why?
I don’t think Hawes was really in this team’s future.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
How do we know.
He didn’t even get to play a season over the age of 21. When u draft a 19 year old center, you don’t trade him before he gets to the age of 22.
by mike murray on Jun 17, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
seems like
having a big with shooting range would work long term with a driving PG, but that’s just a thought.
by TheFifthMookie on Jun 17, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
lol this is laughable
the guy has played over 5000 NBA minutes
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
And is still not as old as Thabeet when he was drafted.
This is way jumping the gun.
by mike murray on Jun 17, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I think you are way overvaluing Spencer
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
And i think you are way overvaluing the need to get rid of Noci.
by mike murray on Jun 17, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
That's secondary in my opinion
I think Dalembert is a significant upgrade over Hawes.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
I'm unsure of how laughable that is
How many years was it before Marcus Camby was a good center?
by TheFifthMookie on Jun 17, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Look at the stats
Camby was pretty good from the get-go (17.8 PER his first season, for starters).
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Personally, I'm not interested in paying Hawes and wasting court minutes on him until he becomes Marcus Camby
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 17, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
why are we even saying camby
the comparison holds no ground.
by mike murray on Jun 17, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
he was real good at first, he just got injured in his 2nd or 3rd year is all
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Why not?
Spencer’s had plenty of opportunity – and if recent history is any indication, Petrie’s better off getting rid of a guy too early rather than hang onto him too long.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
by otis29 on Jun 17, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Too early?
He was an expiring contract as well. So we save like 2 million from this deal. Woo hoo. Sorry for not being to excited about dumping a young player with high potential for a 29 year old who had averages of 8.1/9.6/1.8 last season.
by mike murray on Jun 17, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Time will tell
But Spencer was in the doghouse most of last season, and the coach isn’t going anywhere. I’d rather watch Dalembert play defense all year than Spencer.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
and personally I really didn't want the team to sign him to an extension
Don’t trust the knees nor the attitude.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
IAWTC
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
^
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 17, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
for spence, that was the real question for me
how much would the team have paid him when the extension came up? much more than what he was getting from his initial deal seemed like too much.
by TheFifthMookie on Jun 17, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
will never know
And never know what kind of season he was going to have. And all this to save 2-3 million dollars.
by mike murray on Jun 17, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
And upgrade at the center position
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Its really not
Look at the stats and the potential. You are WAY OVERVALUING dalembert.
by mike murray on Jun 17, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
they would have another year to evaluate him
knees or attitude could be great this year. But Petrie is in the buisness of pleasing Noci and saving 2 mil, instead of giving a 22 year old center a shot.
by mike murray on Jun 17, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
"was in the doghouse"
name a 21 year old who wasn’t. As I remember, so was Dalembert in Philly. Has nothing to do with trade value.
by mike murray on Jun 17, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Well if you go the trade value route
I think the Kings win clearly on this thing. The only way they don’t is if Spencer becomes a stud in the league.
I’m happy Petrie is taking that chance, myself. And I’m happy for Spencer, if he finds himself in a situation that helps his career.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
How do they win?
We lose our cap space this year, save only 2 mil, and have a bottom 5 center in the league in Dalembert.
by mike murray on Jun 17, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
wow bottom five
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
care to name those top 25? And is Spencer in those top 25?
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Centers better than Dalembert
Obviously better centers (no order):
Bynum
Brooke Lopez
Perkins
David Lee
Bargnani
Noah
Bogut
Chandler
Horford
Dwight Howard
Yao
Marc Gasol
Okafor
Nene
Al Jefferson
Odem
Camby
Kaman
Biedrins
Arguable but I would take over SD:
Robin Lopez
Shaq
Big Z
Hibbert
Haywood
Jermain O’Neil
Dampier
Okur
B. Miller
HAWES
Thabeet
PF that could play center better than Dalembert:
P. Gasol
Scola
Boozer
Bosh
Zach Randolph
Kenyon Martin
Aldrich
Griffin
Amare
Lol at Odom as a Center.
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As for Hibbert
He had a 15.5% Defensive rebound rate, worst for any starting center in the league.
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Keep fighting the good fight
You’ll move on eventually
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Giving you a heads up
Might want to keep this list to this thread or nobody will understand why you wrote it in the first place and it will look like you are wanting a top tier center for a Spencer trade.
I already gave my opinion on one of the other threads.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I think I'm done taking you seriously
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
by otis29 on Jun 17, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oops
expiring Dalembert, but i stick to my position.
by mike murray on Jun 17, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I already retracted
Though i do feel like a stupid ass for saying that originally. Still hate the trade.
by mike murray on Jun 17, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I can live with this.
Did we just move up to pick #2 and Evan Turner?
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Here's the RealGM story:
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Even without a draft swap, this rids us of the Noc headache.
and if Dalembert is just the one year, it’d still make sense to draft a big.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Seriously don't understand why Philly does this
When Noc complains about playing on the Kings, he aint going to be much happier on the Sixers thats for sure.
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Maybe they know Noc won't be happy, and are hoping he'll agree to a buy out and they'll save more
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Dalembert
Just turned 29, has one year left on his contract at just under $13 million.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Dalembert is an expiring. 12 Mil. Sixers save around 3 mil before luxury tax.
I like this deal personally.
By the way if I was Noc, I’d be pissed. Philly isn’t what comes to mind when I think “contender”. But I guess he’s another team’s problem now. But he should know that no winning team wants him.
Hey, he's 3000 miles closer to Europe.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jun 17, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
yeah,
this is a big middle finger to Noc by Kings management
by TheFifthMookie on Jun 17, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I have no problems with this deal
I’m rooting for Spencer, but I think he needs a change of scenery and a new system.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
I wouldn't mind if there was a so far unreported 2nd round pick for the Kings
damn selfish self
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll 2nd that otis
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
We don't know, maybe he already came to terms for a buy out.
I doubt he cares who pays his buy out. And, if he has already set a price, maybe Philly agreed to the deal because they already know he’s going to be cheaper than his contract salary.
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The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
76ers Center Position
Does this mean they’re drafting DMC now and Favors falls to us?
by #12Pick...who? on Jun 17, 2010 11:08 AM PDT reply actions
Unless they think Hawes is their future, of course…
by #12Pick...who? on Jun 17, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
unless you hear the name Brand in this trade, I would think it's not happening.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Not gonna happen.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
I think we won this trade even with a draft swap.
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without*
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I like this.
I think Hawes was kind of redundant next to Landry and Thompson, who did what he did only better and with the addition of other things. I don’t think he was ever that great of a passer, he just happened to be white and on the Kings so everyone sort of assumed so.
I definitely like the idea of a Landry-Dalembert pairing. And the team is getting tougher again. I like that.
1st Kmart.......
Now this. I’d rather trade Landry than Hawes. Especially if we are really going for low-post scoring in the draft.
KINGS WILL BE 10-11 CHAMPIONS
Article up on ESPN.
He writes:
“But the real ramifications may come during the draft. The Sixers have been deciding between Evan Turner and Derrick Favors with the No. 2 pick. While Sixers general manager Ed Stefanski is a Turner fan, head coach Doug Collins is high on Favors. With Dalembert gone and Nocioni in, it could push them in the direction of Favors.”
This doesn’t really affect the Kings in anyway, because I think Jersey will just take who’s left out of the two.
I'm more than a little floored by this trade
simply because despite my groans of Spence’s performance the last season, I think his ceiling will be more than Dalembert’s.
So… I hope we get more than just dumping Chapu & Hawesome/Hawful.
Bold Prediction: Whoever we pick 5th this year will have a better NBA season than whoever was picked 5th last year.
by elfboy_ on Jun 17, 2010 11:16 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The thing is though, what is it going to take to get Hawes to reach his ceiling?
There is only so much “development resources” (money and court time) to go around, and with all the youngins on this team and more on the way, how long do you keep investing in Spencer? Honestly, I just don’t think that Spence was ever supposed to be this much of a project, even as young as he is. I think Petrie thought we’d at least see a lot more offensive consistency from Hawes at this point.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 17, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I guarantee Doug Collins will help
Hawes reach his ceiling. He’s a damn good coach and knows how to develop the kid-os.
Wonder what this means for our draft intentions.
Does this open up opportunity to trade down and draft Monroe? Does losing a wing open it up for WeJo. Or does DMC still fall to 5?
Addition by subtraction?
Good deal. Lord was Hawes ever a stiff. I feel kind of bad for the guy, though. They’re gonna murder him in Philadelphia. If he ever plays.
Thinking Positive......
1. Noc is gone
2. No more complaining about the low-post
That’s all I can think of, this fucking trade sucks. We traded Hawes for about 3 extra rebounds, and a 1/2 extra block. I’d rather they just bought Noc out of his contract. And say we draft Cousins or Favors, then Dalembert is going to be in the same situation as Noc.
KINGS WILL BE 10-11 CHAMPIONS
Except that trading our only true Center for a different Center still leaves us with only one true Center
Adding Cousins or Favors would not create a frontcourt logjam.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 17, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
One guy never played, the other was awful.
Besides, I don’t see how getting rid of guys who were on the roster for The Worst Season In Franchise History is a bad thing.
by jeffeff on Jun 17, 2010 11:43 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Fuck Yeah Petrie Fuck Yeah
In Petrie we trust.
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by MJ5 on Jun 17, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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