Hawes, Nocioni Traded to Philadelphia for Samuel Dalembert
by Tom Ziller on Jun 17, 2010 11:01 AM PDT
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PrintSpencer Hawes and Andres Nocioni traded to Philadelphia for Samuel Dalembert. Chad Ford of ESPN reporting it. More soon.
UPDATE 1: We've written about how Samuel Dalembert could help in the past.
UPDATE 2: Here are the salary ramifications: Hawes makes $2.9 million this season, and then he's a restricted free agent with a $4 million qualifying offer. Nocioni makes $6.8 million this year and $6.6 million 2011-12. Dalembert makes $14.8 million this season (thanks to a 15% trade kicker), and then he's a free agent. So the Kings take on an extra $5.1 million in 2010-11 in order to save $6.6 million in the 2011-12 season. The Kings are now projected to have about $15 million in cap space for this summer.
UPDATE 3: I believe that we can definitely take two things away from this, neither of which really matters going forward:
1. Either Geoff Petrie or Paul Westphal or both were really disappointed by Hawes last season.
2. Petrie gets a bogey on the 2007 draft.
UPDATE 4: FanHouse's Sam Amick talked to Dalembert's agent Marc Cornstein: "I’ve said for a long time that if I could hand pick a team, (the Kings) would be the best fit for him."
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What is Sammy getting paid?
Since it’s just for one year, I’m o.k. with this in principal, but does it help the Kings really get better over the long run?
by TheFifthMookie on Jun 17, 2010 11:03 AM PDT reply actions
Does this mean Spencer won't play in Summer League?
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by Aykis16 on Jun 17, 2010 11:04 AM PDT reply actions 18 recs
Watch, he'll be a practice monster for the Sixers, just to spite me.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Seriously though, holy shit.
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by Aykis16 on Jun 17, 2010 11:04 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yes! Holy shit!
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
I concur! Holy Shit!
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 17, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Surprise! Didn't see this coming.
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by Slam_Dunk on Jun 17, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously though
No PICK SWAP at least? This is terrible IMO.
Is it just me or did I miss something. Is there more to the deal? I plugged in Spencer and Noc in the trade machine for Sammy and it didn’t work.
It does work.
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I tried it.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yeah, holy shit
but I like it. Aggressive move
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 17, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
What?
What what what?
Surprised. Shocked. Uh… do we get their 2nd pick for our 5th too?
Bold Prediction: Whoever we pick 5th this year will have a better NBA season than whoever was picked 5th last year.
Doubt it
I’m guessing Spencer is the sweetener to get rid of Noc. I wish Spencer the best, I really hope he pans out like I think he will. He’s destined to have epic games against us.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
This
Kid has potential. But this makes sense for us right now. I wouldn’t call Hawes as a pick in 07 a bust, but not all we wanted that’s for sure.
by Rickyflip on Jun 17, 2010 11:35 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Why are we worried about the RIGHT now, right now?
We had the THIRD worst record in the league, we should be positioning ourselves for 3-4 years from now and Spencer FITS that mold. Why in the HELL are we worried about RIGHT NOW.
There’s at least a dozen larger expiring deals that we could have gotten for Nocioni to releive teams of financial obligations immediately. Why the HELL are we sweetening the pot with Hawes for ANY of these? Seriously! This is a TERRIBLE trade and I like Dalembert as a fit here.
by Smills9133 on Jun 17, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I suddenly feel much better about this trade, for some strange reason
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
by otis29 on Jun 17, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
lol
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe because our defense just got better?
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
Not so sure
He’s destined to have epic games against us.
We no longer have Brad and Spence defending the middle.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 17, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hawesome!
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by PhutureKings on Jun 17, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Big men do have career nights against us pretty often.
Especially previously unimpressive big men.
There can only be one Noce!
Yes, the sixers got the shaft in this trade by taking on the god awful nocioni contract fo an expiring deal and they also are going to trade the #2 for the #5, so it’s like a sorority girl on saturday night
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
?
they also are going to trade the #2 for the #5
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah thats not happening.
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yeah was baffled with the comment
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Sarcasm baffles the simple usually
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Poorly executed sarcasm baffles the not-so-simple
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 17, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Poorly execuste sarcasm usually baffles.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
^executed (poorly executed spelling doesn't help either)
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
jemgee baffles himself
he is a buffoon
by JMagee'sDrunkDaddy on Jun 17, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
unnecessary passive aggressive insults are for jackasses
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just ignore him
He’s the resident jackass of Liberty Ballers.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Great,
so the trade also included us sending Chapu4u in exchange for this guy?
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by PhutureKings on Jun 17, 2010 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Well Noce
I enjoyed ya. :)
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh. Cool!
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Excellent
I was going to mention that your exodus was the only down side to the trade. I’m glad that Petrie negotiated to retain you.
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WHY DO YOU THINK WE HAD TO TRADE HAWES?
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by iashwash on Jun 18, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
To piss off Grasual I think.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
How do you figure?
They get below the LTT threshold this year and Nocioni’s 2 year deal is still less than Dalembert’s deal which saves them money THIS year and NEXT year.
I would have thought a straight up swap of Noc for Daly was a fair an equitable deal for both teams.
I feel like we got ZERO compensation for Hawes. This really sucks. I would have thought a #2 for #5/Hawes swap while getting the Sixers under the LTT would have been a good deal for both teams. Or at least have Speights or Holiday coming back? What gives Geoff? You couldn’t have just traded Nocioni for Peja or Redd or someone like that to get an expiring, keep Hawes at Center and draft the BPA at #5?
Does this mean we’re more inclined to draft Monroe?
Let's be honest though, Smills
You have unrealistic expectations for what trades are possible. The only trades you like are the ones where the other team gets completely, unbelievably screwed. And most GMs aren’t that stupid.
Let's logically go through this though....
Dalembert’s owed what? 12-13 million dollars this year? Nocioni is owed roughly 13 million over two years. THe money is near identical, just that Nocioni is owed it over TWO years.
Dalembert was DONE in Philly. And had been for quite some time.
The sixers are about 4-6 million over the LTT as is when you factor in their #2 pick. Dumping Dalembert for Nocioni straight up in the summer(when we have the cap space) would get them completely below the Tax line. They could go and add Cousins, Favors at #2 or they could roll with Speights, Brand as their 5. They had options.
I just don’t see why it was prudent to add Hawes to the deal(without getting some sort of incentive back) when a straight up Nocioni for Dalembert swap was equitable both financial(actually favors Philly with the lack of a LTT payment next year) and from a basketball POV as both are still fringe starters/good 6th men candidates with their impact on the court.
Adding Hawes to the deal makes ZERO logical sense and was completely unnecessary if you ask me.
In the real world
Philly didn’t have to trade Dalembert, and certainly not for Nocioni straight up. If that was all it took to get the deal done don’t you think Geoff Petrie is intelligent enough to know that? That’s just a completely unrealistic expectation.
I mean, come on, Dalembert for Noc straight up? That’s insane.
It’s not just about the money, although that’s definitely a benefit going in for the Kings because they have still more potential cap room going into 2011.
If they didn't want to pay the TAX they would need to trade something
LIKELY Dalembert being the salary that COULD be cut, due to his massive contract.
So if anything, we being 20 million UNDER the cap and them being 5-6 million OVER the tax threshold. We had the position of leverage and BLEW it.
Who says they care about the tax?
The 76ers are owned by Comcast, it’s not like they’re hurting for cash. And if all they cared about was cutting salary they could have done it a hell of a lot easier than trading Dalembert for Nocioni.
This was a basketball move – they obviously wanted to get something for Dalemebert while they could, and were willing to take on Noc for an extra year to make it happen.
EVERY owner cares about the tax
Even Paul Allen. Running your business in the Red, well let’s just say ‘special’ people do that.
Just because a team is paying the tax doesn't mean they're in the red
Or do you think the Lakers are losing money?
And Noc a 6th man candidate?
Nocioni and Dalembert equals as basketball players? You should be ashamed of yourself.
Exactly how does Dalembert have anymore value than Nocioni?
Both are inadequate starters, but fringe starters nontheless.
Dalembert is significantly better
Your premise is null, thus your argument is void.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Not for Philadelphia he's not.
Philly has big guys that can defend. They have ZERO shooters. As much as Nocioni CHUCKS it, he’s still one of the top 2-3 shooters on their roster, something they LACK considerably.
The fact that Nocioni gives them FINANCIAL incentive in the form of roughly 10 million dollars(factoring in the difference in contract PLUS the LT Payment savings they acquire through this trade) makes this a NO-BRAINER for philly. Adding Hawes just adds sugar on top for philly.
This deal is an easy no-brainer for Philly.
Next, try again with your pitiful logic.
I don't get it
Are you a Philly fan, or a Sacramento fan? Because you seem concerned with the fact that Philly might actually benefit from a trade they just completed.
nbrans mentioned that you seem more upset that we didn’t absolutely screw Philly than happy that we’ve significantly upgraded our low post defense – to the point you are hallucinating over Hawes and Nocioni’s trade value.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
What's funny is that now that Dalembert is a King
If Philly offered Noc/Hawes back to us you’d argue that Dalembert is a SUPERSTAR CENTER and that Noc is WASHED UP AND NO ONE WANTS HIM and the Kings would be CRAZY to take him back in a trade.
You’d probably take Hawes back though, because I know you guys are soul sisters and everything.
by nbrans on Jun 17, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
?
Smills, the Sixers don’t take on Nocioni’s contract unless they get something they want.
And while it’s true that Dalembert had become an unpopular player in Philly, he’s still further along an an NBA center than Hawes.
It’s a good deal for both teams but especially for the Kings. We get immediate help on defense, which is priority number 1 and which Hawes could never provide, and we get huge cap relief and flexibility.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
It's Fantasy Basketball 101 nbrans!
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Can't use logic to defend your position
and so you rely on inconsequential put-downs?
NICE!
Now let’s attempt for you to use some thought and put some brain power into the conversation. I know that may require some difficulty for you, but let’s do that.
Look at it this way. If we would have kept Noc, he would have been unhappy and most likely would have spent most of his time on the bench. What a waste of his salary.
With Dalembert, we are going to see an immediate impact on our defense. We got compensation for Hawes. The deal wouldn’t have been a go without him.
I doubt whether this is going to have any impact of what Petrie does with the #5 pick. He may just be covering his bases in the event Cousins is unavailable. If he is available, then we are going to see one heck of a turnaround on our front court.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
Smills doesn't want to keep Noc
He just thinks we should have held out for a Noc/Hawes for LeBron trade.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 17, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Most of the time they do...
Petrie is real good at holding his cards close to his vest.
Purveyor of Bull Plop
Exactly why
Detroit trade wont go down. People have heard about it.
LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 17, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow.
Seems like a high price to pay to get rid of Noce. Dalembert is nice defensively and all, but… wow…
by nobodyinparticular on Jun 17, 2010 11:08 AM PDT reply actions
1 year for Dalembert at 12 mil, and we're rid of Nocioni and the Hawes Experiment
And we still draft a big with our first pick. I’m real good with this.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jun 17, 2010 11:08 AM PDT reply actions 5 recs
And if we like what we see with Dal
He wouldn’t be a bad option to re-sign especially under the new CBA.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I expect he could be had for MLE-type money after this year, if he likes playing here.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
How much does this really save the Kings tho?
Noce’s on the books for ~$5million in 2012 right?
by nobodyinparticular on Jun 17, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Abouyt $12-13 million over the next two years
Basically, we refinance Nocioni’s contract into more money for one year
That, and we get an actual defensive presence in the middle
#vfettkefordraft
by vfettke on Jun 17, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is about what I thought the money came to
But just saw YFBB’s comment pop up about the trade kicker. YIKES! More than $13m this year?
by nobodyinparticular on Jun 17, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Sammy D has a 15% trade kicker
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 17, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Same
Also the Kings can dump Dalembert’s contract after the year.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
real real good with this
addition by subtraction … again
and a possible prelude?
Does one year of Dalembert give us enough time to develop either Monroe or Whiteside if we trade down now?
Does this mean we might take a PG,SG,SF at 5 instead of a big?
What is Petrie up to?
Can’t wait to find out next week!!!!
I think this probably bolsters the trade down strategy
and I think moving Hawes definitely underlines the fact that the Kings are planning on drafting a center.
Dalembert is a short term solution, and can keep the Kings from falling apart in the paint while the next guy learns the NBA ropes.
Cousins, Favors, Whiteside and Monroe all are more draft-worthy now that Hawes is gone and Dalembert is in place.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Yep
Should still take Cousins or Favors if available
LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 17, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Correctamente and I'm good with it too.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
We'll miss you Spencer. Well at least I will.
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by Aykis16 on Jun 17, 2010 11:09 AM PDT reply actions 21 recs
One of my favorites
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3lHNAYVKLM
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by Aykis16 on Jun 17, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
That was a good, but isolated, moment.
Had there been more of those, Spence would still be here.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
By far my favorite memory of Hawes.
Not much else, with the exception of a couple of blocks and dunks over the 3 years.
Great trade for us, IMO.
Now whether we get Favors, DMC or Johnson, it’s a good fit!
"We're trapped inside the matrix, forced to play our hand. We're filled with so much hatred, the kids don't stand a chance." -- B.o.B. (aka Bobby Ray).
by PhutureKings on Jun 17, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok I'll miss him.
Just because he’s a King. That’s enough to miss him.
But I can’t tell you how relieved I man now that I don’t have to try to believe in him.
by ZenBaller on Jun 17, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good ole Geoff Petrie
We hear all this talk about the Pistons then he smacks us with this!
Quite honestly, I love this trade. I like Dalembert, especially for one year. We get rid of Noc’s contract. I’m disappointed Spencer never really panned out and wish him the best of luck. That being said, I’ve grown a little tired of his lack of major development
#vfettkefordraft
by vfettke on Jun 17, 2010 11:10 AM PDT reply actions 5 recs
I could not have written this any better.
We are definitely on the same page bro.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
I was amazed and delighted when LPA called me with the news
I’ve wanted to see what Sammy could do for the Kings for a while. And teamed we JT we may actually have some inside presence.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
by SavageBeast on Jun 17, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
T
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jun 17, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
If "this" is no longer allowed, I'm gonna start going with "Boo-Yah!"
Although, I feel Boo-Yahs carried more impact, so I don’t want to overuse them.
"We're trapped inside the matrix, forced to play our hand. We're filled with so much hatred, the kids don't stand a chance." -- B.o.B. (aka Bobby Ray).
by PhutureKings on Jun 17, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed
How much time are we planning on giving Hawes before he turns into the player we want him to be? Lets just move on and enjoy next season. GO KINGS!
Lebron James to sign with the Sacramento Kings!! Now he is a REAL king!
well that was a shock
i wanted to give spencer more of a chance….
"I have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot...and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why... I succeed." Michael Jordan.
We have a backstop!
How long has it been since opposing teams had a reason to stay out of the paint with their weak shit?
TOO LONG.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jun 17, 2010 11:11 AM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Keon Clark.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Stereotype of Geoff Petrie bigs
Shattered!!
by nbrans on Jun 17, 2010 11:11 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
or is Geoff now preparing to draft Greg Monroe?
put me in, Coach
by LaBradford on Jun 17, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Love the move
I have wanted Sammy on the team for some time. Guess there is no reason to trade down with the Pistons since we got rid of Noc…lol
You're a terrible person for thinking that.
And I ought to know, I’m a terrible person.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
man
thats a good insight. Didn’t even think about that. Might be because I’ve been thinking of this for about 30 seconds
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
I don't think so
I feel like Petrie would have traded down a couple slots if he was going to draft Monroe. My money is still on Cousins.
by Webber's Ankle on Jun 17, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
i hope you're right
cuz i definitely want Cousins!
put me in, Coach
by LaBradford on Jun 17, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Completely and totally
I’m shocked, to be honest.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Think Cousins
is actually a better outside shooter than Monroe (who hit just 25% of his jumpers) and a good pick and roll player. Seems to complement Dalembert and then take over for him if we don’t resign him or pass him on the depth chart if we do.
by SPTSJUNKIE on Jun 17, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I'm also thinking there's a lot of different ways that having both Dally and Cousins could work
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 17, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
yes, the potential influence these two can have on our team from day one is very exciting.
Not that I think we will make a huge leap in games won, but the outlook of the team can be drastically changed just by adding these two bigs.
"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."
Yes, comparing the start of last year to this
Cousins, Landry, JT, Sammy and Brock >>>>> Hawes, JT, Brock, May
As a sixers fan i just vomited in my mouth
The proudest word in baseball is gamer - Tim McCarver 6/12/2010
by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:13 AM PDT reply actions
did you guys like Dalembert?
or do you just want nothing to do with Spencer and Noce?
put me in, Coach
This was a trade that made sense for both teams
and Nocioni truly sucks, I’m a Bulls fan, so I feel your guy’s pain .
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 17, 2010 11:13 AM PDT reply actions
NO actually, it makes no sense for the sixers who already have cap salary problems – it’s a stupid trade for the sixers, no better on the court but really fracked off it
The proudest word in baseball is gamer - Tim McCarver 6/12/2010
by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, unless Spencer really kills it in the coming years
Don’t see how this really makes sense for the Sixers
It gives them an extra $5million this year.
Maybe they have another trade coming? Or they want to grab a mid-tier player in FA?
by nobodyinparticular on Jun 17, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Or it just keeps them under the luxury tax for this year – whereas they could have done that easier by just dumping louis williams on an unsuspecting gm who thinks he’s good
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Nah, the Clippers
already have enough big men.
"We're trapped inside the matrix, forced to play our hand. We're filled with so much hatred, the kids don't stand a chance." -- B.o.B. (aka Bobby Ray).
by PhutureKings on Jun 17, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
They weren't playing Dalembert much anyway...
and he is 29/30 and has no jumper (like the other Sixers). Spence is young, has potential and can help space the floor.
It's worth taking on Nocioni for two years
just to see if Hawes turns into a true NBA starter. Holiday, Iggy, Turner, Brand, Williams, Thadeus, Brand, Noc, Hawes, Speights, and Meeks. That is one deep team with a mixture of older and younger guys. Collins will probably be able to turn that team into a playoff team, it really all depends on Brand, though.
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 17, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
No it’s not
keeping sam for 2-3 years makes more sense than this nonsense for the sixers
The proudest word in baseball is gamer - Tim McCarver 6/12/2010
by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
john come back home, its your father
Please disregard , my son Jmageee. This was a good deal for the sixers, John clean the basement!
by JMagee'sDrunkDaddy on Jun 17, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
But is he done?
Garcia & the #5 to Detroit for Prince and the #7 (Monroe/Whiteside)?
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Yeah
I don’t think this deal precludes the possibility of that deal.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
I don't think Whiteside is in play anymore with the Kings having Dalembert.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Maybe but I doubt it.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Kings try to re-sign Dal if he plays well.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I could really get on board with this
I think.
Obviously I would like Wesley Johnson or Demarcus Cousins, but I like the idea of clearing out Sacramento’s future cap with the (sound) assumption the Kings will not make a huge splash in the summer of 2010.
That way we can see ’Melo come to Sactown in 2011!!! (okay, that last bit was tongue-in-cheek)
by nobodyinparticular on Jun 17, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
"Hi, I'm Carmelo Anthony, and this is my good friend, um, Chuck Peterson, for Folsom Lake Ford."
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jun 17, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
See?
It has a nice ring to it, doesn’t it?
And think about the commercials for The Good Feet Store! It’s so great, it’s bad-tastic!
See? I couldn’t even think of a word that existed in the English language to describe it, so a new one had to evolve. That’s how bad-tastic those commercials would be!
by nobodyinparticular on Jun 17, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Philly takes Cousins
Said that last week. Philly might want Cousins at #2 to play 4 or 5 -
if Hawes develops, great …. if not, not
Noce might give ’em something.
Tells me that Philly is going big, not with Turner
Philly is taking Evan Turner.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
No way
unless cousins is off the board>. Jeez that would give us tons of cap space next year.
LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 17, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure I like getting rid of Garcia
he is way better then Noc. Prince and Garcia are the same player.
But acquiring prince for him would give us great cap room next summer
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
Long live Shock & Hawes. Not to mention Brock & Hawes.
Petrie traded away some good bromances for toughness. But cheers to Hawes. You know you like him.
mabye it will be
Shock and Cuz
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
by Ellimist on Jun 17, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Or T-Bert
LOL!
"We're trapped inside the matrix, forced to play our hand. We're filled with so much hatred, the kids don't stand a chance." -- B.o.B. (aka Bobby Ray).
by PhutureKings on Jun 17, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Shock and Brock
how do you not like that? Brock and Shock, etiher way…
by betweentheeyes on Jun 18, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't like hearing this though from
For the Kings, this could also change their draft equation. The team has been looking at drafting DeMarcus Cousins and Greg Monroe, both centers. With this deal, it could allow them to address another need at the three. the Kings have been high on both Al-Farouq Aminu and Gordon Hayward.
"For five decades (and counting), these fans have been blessed with West, Baylor, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Shaq and Kobe. Seven of the 15 best players ever. At some point, the gravy train will end. The Lakers will bottom out like the Knicks did last decade, submarined by bad moves, poor signings and unlucky drafts. Their fans will flee in droves. Jack will pass away. The buzz will be gone. That's how the NBA works -- in a 30-team league, you can't always get lucky, not even if you're a big-market team with deep pockets. I don't know if that day is three years off or 30, but it's coming." Bill Simmons
What a load of crap that is.
We have Greene & Omri, we don’t need another young SF.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jun 17, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
And Dalembert expires this year -
Keep in mind that Chad Ford is a moron
The proudest word in baseball is gamer - Tim McCarver 6/12/2010
by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
and a tool
"Oh boy! If you don't like that you don't like Kings basketball"-Peaches
by AkaP on Jun 17, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I hope Petrie leaked the info to Ford...
to keep people confused with regards to our true intentions come the draft
Act like a sober human being, not a drunk Internet username. -- Brian Galliford
by NorCal BillsFan on Jun 17, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Petrie mind games
I am suitably confused
by betweentheeyes on Jun 18, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Meh... Doubtful
Dalembert is a one-year guy. Or a rotation big after that. He’s not the anchor in the front court beyond this year. That still needs to be addressed.
by nobodyinparticular on Jun 17, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
BLEH
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Once again
Chad Ford is an idiot that knows nothing about what we’ll do in the draft. Also, like I state below, this organization is so tight lipped we don’t know what they’ll do
#vfettkefordraft
yup
Chad Ford knows about as much about each individual team’s interworkings as any of us do about the Kings - and the way Petrie rolls, none of us really can know all that much about our fav team. So in summation, yes, Chad Ford is an idiot..
by WhentheKingswinyouwin! on Jun 17, 2010 11:47 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe it's just Petrie hedging his bets.
If Cousins is off the board at #5, is Monroe or Whiteside better than Dalembert?
If Cousins is available at #5, Dalembert frees up mega cap space next season.
Bold Prediction: Whoever we pick 5th this year will have a better NBA season than whoever was picked 5th last year.
Or does Dalembert sign an MLE type deal to stay on as our first big off the bench.
The team could go from having no true center, to having depth, toughness and rebounding. Very intriguing.
"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."
I don't see it happening with Hayward, unless we trade way down past 10-12.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
He will be the greatest of all who-the-f picks
But I think Petrie’s got something else up his sleeves. I think we still take Cousins or Monroe.
I say Cousins, Favors, Johnson or Whiteside.
"We're trapped inside the matrix, forced to play our hand. We're filled with so much hatred, the kids don't stand a chance." -- B.o.B. (aka Bobby Ray).
by PhutureKings on Jun 17, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Gordon who?
Tom from Woodland is my hero
by luckthefakers on Jun 20, 2010 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Aminu = bad
Aminu has strength, defense, athletic ability (37 inch vertical leap), but his rap sheet is horrible he broke into peoples homes and attacked them with weapons……….not what I want a king player to be doing off the court.
Normally people say a player is troubled….. if Aminu was only troubled I would be okay with him.
There is no question of his athletic ability and skill.
Baloney.
We traded 1 center and received 1 center. We lost a SF who played maybe 5 minutes a game towards the end of last year. And we have not and have 0 current work outs scheduled with Johnson, Hayward, or Babbit. We had 1 with Aminu and have 1 coming up I believe with Henry.
This blurb from Ford doesn’t pass the smell test.
by SPTSJUNKIE on Jun 17, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
should probably be noted
that we never worked Jason Thompson out
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know if that is true
I thought the Kings worked out Jason Thompson three times prior drafting him.
the Warriors were the ones who worked him out
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
He worked out for the Kings. I can recall Kevin Martin commenting on seeing JT during his workouts. The beat writers also mentioned they weren’t shocked with the pick because they had seen JT in town a couple times before.
sorry I was wrong
From a Sam Amick article
spoke with Theus a bit ago about Thompson, and he offered some good insight. In its entirety…
“He did a great job in the workouts. We saw him work out three times, one in Oakland and two times in our building (in Sacramento).
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/013555.html
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
???
chad ford is like every other bobble head when it comes to GP- he don’t know squat and is just reaching because he has to fill his blogs to get paid. so he writes what ever sounds good to him. i haven’t heard Al-Farouq mentioned in any way shape or form connected to the kings. and really i think that the 3 is the one position that we are pretty well set with youth and potential. if GP was going to bring in a 3, he would have to be an established upgrade.
Even further proof about how tight lipped the Kings really are
From Chad Ford’s ESPN write up:
The deal was agreed to on Tuesday night and the two teams have been working out details Thursday morning
So they agreed to the deal two days ago. Nothing was even remotely hinted at yesterday. Not a damn thing.
#vfettkefordraft
Draftexpress tweeted on Monday:
Something will go down tomorrow or Tuesday but I’m sworn to secrecy. Argh! RT @phillyfanatic84: Are you hearing any pre-draft Trade Chatter?
I guess this must have been it.
I think that was probably it. Makes sense.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
I was just thinking that
Givony was wrong, because nothing had happened
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
i just wish
that somehow petrie could have pryed away a 2nd rounder from philly or a future draft pick….for some reason anytime those are included, a trade is justified for me
"I have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot...and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why... I succeed." Michael Jordan.
The more I think about it
The more I like it!
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Same.
Dal had a 30% Defensive rebounding percentage last year, and 5.4% Block percentage, plus he’s sturdy, 4 straight years of 82 games.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
by Aykis16 on Jun 17, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
"The Kings are now projected to have about $15 million in cap space for this summer."
Just enough space for LeBron James.
Petrie is a GENIUS!
by nobodyinparticular on Jun 17, 2010 11:17 AM PDT reply actions
I am brushing sagely
inner workings of my mind. It accompanies the tumbleweeds
by betweentheeyes on Jun 18, 2010 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
what's a Garfunkel?
nice that someone else knows the oldies.
by betweentheeyes on Jun 18, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I still want Cousins
Dalembert may not be here too long
by ucla06 on Jun 17, 2010 11:19 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
I think a center is still a lock.
I like the trade, but he’s a nice chip come February, too.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jun 17, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or even as first big off the bench.
Dalembert is ridiculously good at rebounding and blocking shots, something we definitely need. He’s also played 82 games for 4 straight years.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
He averaged almost a double double and 2 blocks in like 25 minutes last year
Dude could be great off the bench
#vfettkefordraft
I think we have to think about taking Cousins.
Having “Slammuel” will give us leeway to let Cousins work to earn his minutes his rookie year.
yeah I don't see how this would change our draft plans
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
If anything he's a situational starter.
And his ego will demand starting, but you’d better have a good second or first starter worthy C.
We have to take Cousins
Imagine
4-Landry, JT
5-Dalembert, Cousins
I can dig it
by The Guy on the Couch on Jun 17, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus we would have the funniest bigs in the league.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I rec'd that
instead of saying “this” like I wanted to.
by TheFifthMookie on Jun 17, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah...about that
You must get pretty worked up about “this”…to write a FanPost asking people to stop…
I would never tell anyone on the internets what bothered me…because people would undoubtedly do whatever it is that I asked them to stop…
Act like a sober human being, not a drunk Internet username. -- Brian Galliford
by NorCal BillsFan on Jun 17, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It was half-serious.
People can do whatever they want, and I knew I’d get a ton of “this” responses, anyway.
Getting worked up about the internet is a complete waste of time.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
I completely and wholeheartedly agree with this comment, and the person who made this comment
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
by otis29 on Jun 17, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
JT and Dalembert to start....
Landry for 6th man of the year
no way Landry is coming off the bench.
JT isn’t nearly the offensive threat that Landry is while Dalembert brings almost zero offense.
Absolutely.
JT was much better coming off the bench last season anyway. I think he felt less pressure in that role, honestly.
JT is too good to keep off the floor...
he doesnt have to start but I hope he gets more mins that Dalembert…
BTW- Love the trade…wont miss Spence’s comments at all or Noc’s salary…but I wish them both the best.
Act like a sober human being, not a drunk Internet username. -- Brian Galliford
by NorCal BillsFan on Jun 17, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
but....Landry is WAY more efficient coming off the bench
his stats in Houston were killer
I agree
JT is coming off the bench. Landry is too valuable on offense. Once he learns the system he will be a force.
JT will probably be a backup to both Landry and Dalembert.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
This probably isn't feasible, but it's fun to imagine:
Reke
Greene
Landry
JT
Dal
That’s a GIANT lineup!
"We're trapped inside the matrix, forced to play our hand. We're filled with so much hatred, the kids don't stand a chance." -- B.o.B. (aka Bobby Ray).
by PhutureKings on Jun 17, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd take any of those guys over Aaron Rowand!
Proud father of Mike Krukow (who is more than 3 times my age)
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Still cheering for Kevin Frandsen
John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
Does this mean the Sixers are definitely not drafting a center, or does this mean they are definitely drafting a Power Forward?
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
just me?
Doesn’t this mean that Sixers are likely to draft BIG at #2 and take either DMC or Favors …
Doing that, they’d rather not have 2 guys at 4 and 5 (Brand and Dalembert) earning $20MM+
Brand is untradeable, so they moved Dalembert to make room for their #2 pick.
How nice would it be if this came with a swap of the 1st round picks?
But that trade would only be discussed on a Sacramento Kings online forum.
What does next offseason look like in terms of salary cap?
Perhaps this move is so the Kings can lock up Carl Landry beyond 2011.
by nobodyinparticular on Jun 17, 2010 11:22 AM PDT reply actions
I miss Spence already.
He got me my first ‘Comment of the Week’ in Good, Bad & Ugly. He got me my first Greene comment too I think.
Bold Prediction: Whoever we pick 5th this year will have a better NBA season than whoever was picked 5th last year.
Unfortunately that's about all he's done
#vfettkefordraft
by vfettke on Jun 17, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
that is the way of Mr. Hawes
he teases you with flashes of brilliance then just leaves you disappointment in the end
Still waiting for the Euler of basketball to play for the Kings
Why does this smack of
That’s What She Said?
Bold Prediction: Whoever we pick 5th this year will have a better NBA season than whoever was picked 5th last year.
haha
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jun 17, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Urgh!
I have so much work to do today! Damn you Petrie, why couldn’t you have done this yesterday when I didn’t have anything else to do??
According to Ford, they did this on Tuesday,
and are working on it on Thursday. Apparently no one works on Wednesday anymore.
Bold Prediction: Whoever we pick 5th this year will have a better NBA season than whoever was picked 5th last year.
Be prepared to witness the most goaltends you have ever seen from one player.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
Ah, but will he set up from 23 feet and launch a bad 3?
If he does, he will be complete!
Bold Prediction: Whoever we pick 5th this year will have a better NBA season than whoever was picked 5th last year.
Damn, all those punny Prince headlines for nothing.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 17, 2010 11:24 AM PDT reply actions
I like this trade
We didn’t really give up much for a proven rebounder/shot blocker. Doesn’t eat up all our cap space. And I don’t think this changes our draft either. I still feel Cousins is the guy if he’s there at 5. A Sammy/DeMarcus front court is big and long. Think Bynum/Gasol size wise.
by StevenG on Jun 17, 2010 11:24 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
This trade was about locker room chemistry
The more I think about it, the more it seems to me that this trade was about keeping the team trying hard and upbeat. The two most problematic guys last year just got traded out of town, I don’t think it’s a coincidence.
by TheFifthMookie on Jun 17, 2010 11:26 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
and
Sammy’s agent says Sacramento is the place that he thinks would be best, another chemistry indicator
by TheFifthMookie on Jun 17, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Good point
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 17, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I am more than just ok with this
Smooth move by Petrie
by southern oregon on Jun 17, 2010 11:27 AM PDT reply actions
Ok
I think this means the Sixers take Cousins the Nets Favors Minn Johnson leaving us with an interesting choice at 5.
I also think this goes with GPs plan to have salary cap room after the new CBA when salaries will be reduced.
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
I think
waiting until after the new CBA is in place before chasing free agents is a strong long-term choice by King’s management.
by TheFifthMookie on Jun 17, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Totally agree
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 17, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
and a good strategy IMO
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jun 17, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
An interesting choice?
You mean the choice of taking Evan Turner or taking Evan Turner?
Or trading down for a massive haul to a team drooling over him?
(Not that I actually lend credence to this happening. I really don’t)
by nobodyinparticular on Jun 17, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's the only choice I see
No way you pick anyone other than Turner outright in that situation.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 17, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
If you're right and the Sixers take Cousins
Is Turner the pick? I think he would be the BPA.
by StevenG on Jun 17, 2010 11:37 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Interesting choice?
Getting Turner would be sweet.
LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 17, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
i would think
that is the Sixers take Cousins, and the Nets take Favors… I can’t see the T’Wolves passing on Turner and picking Johnson.
Although if we ended up with Turner or some how could trade up to land him if Philly passes on him, that would be HAWESome (one for the road).
"Hard work always beats talent that doesn't work hard." - Kevin Durant
by recklessmonkey on Jun 17, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
So, we're left with Turner?
Not bad.
"We're trapped inside the matrix, forced to play our hand. We're filled with so much hatred, the kids don't stand a chance." -- B.o.B. (aka Bobby Ray).
by PhutureKings on Jun 17, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I AM SO ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THIS!
Sammy D is one of the top 5 rebounders and blockers of the NBA (ok and Bottom 5 offensive players). Plus he has an expiring contract in case he doesn’t fit. And if he does.. no way he’ll take 15 mils again. There is no negative side to this.
Plus, I don’t have to persuade myself to keep believing in Hawes.
and it keeps us from over paying for a big man on a longer deal with the new CBA looming
chandler
Still waiting for the Euler of basketball to play for the Kings
by morecasspi on Jun 17, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
very good point.
I was really afraid we would be chasing defensive stoppers this offseason to the tune of too many millions and bad long term deals.
"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."
I like this trade
Brings in someone to be a presence defensively in the middle and gobble up rebounds. Also brings in someone whose FG% is one of the best in the NBA like Landry.
Although petrie doesn’t typically trade down, if the Kings do trade down and draft Whiteside, Dalembert will offer some good tutelage for him at least 1 year on the defensive end which Whiteside has stated he feels he may need a year or two to get his body up to par in the league.
"Hard work always beats talent that doesn't work hard." - Kevin Durant
by recklessmonkey on Jun 17, 2010 11:30 AM PDT reply actions
I agree with this.
I think this trade makes the trade down for Whiteside more likely. Cousins would’ve been able to play significant minutes, while Whiteside would be more of a project. But now the Kings aren’t so deparate for an immediate solution at center. Now the Kings would have time to bring Hassan along more gradually with Sam in place.
LOL Noc.
He’s going to be behind:
Evan Turner
Elton Brand
Iguadala
Speights
and Young in the depth chart.
How’s that for being “a part of the future”
He & Speights are the only ones they have to play the 5.
everyone else you named, play diff positions.
KINGS WILL BE 10-11 CHAMPIONS
this made me chuckle a little
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I think this might be a serious indicator that they may be planning to draft a five.
SRSLY. Hawes? Starting Center?
Last time I saw that his team won 17 games!
by sdfd on Jun 17, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Jerry Reynolds hinted
If you heard Jerry on peaches show tuesday evening, he hinted that the sixers had been interested in moving Dalembert in the past when talking about the sixers and their second pick.
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jun 17, 2010 11:31 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I swear Jerry is like Nostradamus with his statements
you think he isn’t saying anything important until something happens! And then it all makes sense
by The Guy on the Couch on Jun 17, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Like Yoda, he is.
"We're trapped inside the matrix, forced to play our hand. We're filled with so much hatred, the kids don't stand a chance." -- B.o.B. (aka Bobby Ray).
by PhutureKings on Jun 17, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
If you think about it, this is kind of a perverted micro/reverse version of the Webber - K9 trade.
Good luck N5!
by sdfd on Jun 17, 2010 11:32 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Except that Dally is an expiring
but I get what you’re saying.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 17, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually, I think we won both times.
Webber was already sliding, and K9 and the other guys that came in here contributed immediately. I think their lack of contribution the following years was mostly due to bad coaching decisions.
We are all forgetting the most important discussion point.
What are the Jerry-isms going to be? My thoughts:
“Slammin Sammy D!”
“Slammuel slams it down!”
“Block-uel Slamembert!”
by Citadel 29 on Jun 17, 2010 11:32 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
"Never a Dalembert moment with this guy!"
Kill me.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jun 17, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Dalem-Where? Dalem-There. DalemBERT!!!
"We're trapped inside the matrix, forced to play our hand. We're filled with so much hatred, the kids don't stand a chance." -- B.o.B. (aka Bobby Ray).
by PhutureKings on Jun 17, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know what Jerry will say
But I do know we will hear at least one, “THROW IT DOWN SLAM-UEL, THROW IT DOOOOWN!” this year.
Jerryisms
“That shot just received some enlightenment from the Dali Lama.”
“Rejected, and Kobe just can’t Dalem bear it.”
“The Tasmanian Haitianian.”
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on Jun 17, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Jerry-isms?
What about Walton-isms?
Dip til I rip
by Muff209 on Jun 17, 2010 1:17 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
How about
The tectonic plates that are Dalembert. The hands that are as encompassing as a rainbow, yet strong as the sound of swimming orcas. Rebounding is MUCH more relevant, now that Samuel is in Sacto. As magnificent as hippos swimming near waterfalls!
by clicc916 on Jun 17, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Did I just accidentally read a Voisin article?
Oh, I get it…it’s Walton.
"We're trapped inside the matrix, forced to play our hand. We're filled with so much hatred, the kids don't stand a chance." -- B.o.B. (aka Bobby Ray).
by PhutureKings on Jun 17, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Ziller's 4th Update is interesting
Dalembert’s agent wanting him to come here could bode quite well for us. Curious as to his reasoning though.
#vfettkefordraft
Come on, you have "tit" in your name.
All I have is “ass.”
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Maybe we'll start calling you
“handy” sims.
"We're trapped inside the matrix, forced to play our hand. We're filled with so much hatred, the kids don't stand a chance." -- B.o.B. (aka Bobby Ray).
by PhutureKings on Jun 17, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
He's decided he needs more cowbell.
Bold Prediction: Whoever we pick 5th this year will have a better NBA season than whoever was picked 5th last year.
by elfboy_ on Jun 17, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think he's right.
i think Dal fits here like a glove. Next to Brand it may have been a bit congested, but I think next to Landry and Thompson, he’ll be very complementary.
I definitely think he's a fit
It’s just surprising that a dude’s agent decided awhile ago that if his guy could play anywhere it’d be little old Sacramento. Not something you hear very often
#vfettkefordraft
It's spin.
He’s not going to say he hates it and wants his guy out of there. He’s keeping GP onside.
by Rickyflip on Jun 17, 2010 11:49 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Although if you are representing an overpaid defensive stopper with no offense
Don’t you want him to play for a team with lots of offense and a deficiency in rebounding and defense? On the 6ers he was a mammoth contract and underappreciated, on the kings, he will be welcomed with open arms!
"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."
Great updates TZ
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
When have we ever have a Dalembert Type?
Long, Athletic, Shot-blocking, Rebounding big over 6’10"?
Keon Clark was only a shot blocker…
Man…I’ve had my eye on the fool forever…someone pinch me
evil evil evil
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm serious about getting these in bulk for StR nights next season.
If P-Jax hated the cowbells, these should really do the trick.
"We're trapped inside the matrix, forced to play our hand. We're filled with so much hatred, the kids don't stand a chance." -- B.o.B. (aka Bobby Ray).
by PhutureKings on Jun 17, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Im drained........
Im just gonna wait for next season & 2k11, and whoever we have on the roster, that’s who I’ll cheer for. And to think…….I just stopped hating Carl Landry. Our trades never seem to make any since until about 2-3yrs later.
KINGS WILL BE 10-11 CHAMPIONS
OMG, another pasty white guy who's going to DESTROY us
Or not, but I think vfettke is right:
…pasty white guys are like kryptonite to the Kings: Chris Kaman, Linas Kleiza, Nenad Krstic. Those guys destroy us.
Holy shit you're right
This is going to bite us in the ass a few years from now when the Kings meet the Sixers in the Finals
#vfettkefordraft
by vfettke on Jun 17, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
On the other hand
A big reason those guys bite us in the ass is Spencer Hawes.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
by otis29 on Jun 17, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
but it will bite the 76ers in the ass
when we meet them in the lottery in a few years
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
ITS OK! WE WILL HAVE LEBRON, D WADE, AND CRIS BOSCH!
….and now, we return to more insightful comments.
If Spence comes back to have great games, I’m going to have to call this the Pasty-White-Guy Curse on the Kings. But then again, we’ve never had a defensive-minded big guy in the middle so I guess that’s to be expected.
by clicc916 on Jun 17, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The reason those pasty white guys had good games is because they are tough and have motors that defy their skillsets
Spence is a different style of player. I don’t think he will respond the same way, especially if we push him around a bit.
"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."
Speaking of motors...I'm pretty sure "BOSCH" is not how Chris spells it.
"We're trapped inside the matrix, forced to play our hand. We're filled with so much hatred, the kids don't stand a chance." -- B.o.B. (aka Bobby Ray).
by PhutureKings on Jun 17, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
if Przybilla played the Kings every game
He’d be HOF material.
by TheFifthMookie on Jun 17, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Can we just go ahead and sign Dalembert to a 3 year extension?
Give him the MAX…MLE that is…
this picture pretty much sums it up for me
"I have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot...and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why... I succeed." Michael Jordan.
can anyone
tell me what our roster looks like for next year at the moment?
my head is still spinning
One man wolf pack....
here
PG- Tyreke, Beno
SG- Cisco
SF- Donte, Casspi
PF- Landry, JT
C- Dalembert
and then u will probably have Brockman back, possibly Sean May, and then 2 draft picks
"I have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot...and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why... I succeed." Michael Jordan.
by Surprise Team on Jun 17, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, let's try that again
PG: Beno, draftee/free agent
SG: Tyreke, Cisco
SF: Donte, Casspi
PF, Landry, JT
C: Dalembert, draftee/free agent
by nbrans on Jun 17, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He'll have the ball in his hands and make the decisions
That’s really the point. Beno and Tyreke are both 1.5s.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
And then if you want to get all reboundy
Tyreke, Cisco, Omri, JT (or Cousins), Dalembert. I love the possibilities.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
well
if i was writing the starting lineup yes i would put beno in it ahead of cisco.
but i was just writing their natural positions
"I have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot...and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why... I succeed." Michael Jordan.
by Surprise Team on Jun 17, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
The Princeton offense is dead, and the padawan Martin is gone.
We’ll miss you, Coachie.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jun 17, 2010 11:42 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
its sad but true
Up tempo is fun and successful, but toughness and defense wins championships. Looks like its clear what Petrie wants to do
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
by Ellimist on Jun 17, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
guess they don't know who chapu is,since they thought he was a Hawes fan
"Oh boy! If you don't like that you don't like Kings basketball"-Peaches
wow this is actually really funny to read over there
jemagee has zero clue
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
T-minus two days
Until Voisin writes an article about how everyone hated Hawes and snipes at him about his softness and stubbornness.
...and how she is going to miss his ripped shoulders and sweaty t-shirt.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
Nah, she'll just go on and on about Dalembert's dreamy long man-arms
that make her head spin 360-degrees as she projectile vomits on a priest.
Bold Prediction: Whoever we pick 5th this year will have a better NBA season than whoever was picked 5th last year.
by elfboy_ on Jun 17, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wonder what she likes about Sammy?
On second thought I don’t want to know. She creeps me out.
Purveyor of Bull Plop
Sixers also get
Chapu4you and NoceOne as throw ins. Not sure who wins with that in mind…
by Rickyflip on Jun 17, 2010 11:45 AM PDT via mobile reply actions 5 recs
NoceOne says he's going to stick around here.
So we win.
StR Token Female
by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 17, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 15 recs
rec'd just so NoceOne sees that he is more than welcome here.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes
NoceOne is a keeper. I’ll pick up his team option.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Pag-ibig namin sa inyo, NoceOne.
I don't see what's wrong with giving Bobby a little experience before he starts to practise law.
That's so cool! You went out of your way to say that in my language!
Thanks swoosh91!
There can only be one Noce!
Aaaaaaawwww..... you guys! :-)
Look at it this way…Noce has been traded to the Sixers for a few hours now and Im still reading and postin here, right?
I will pop in the other site to introduce myself and what not but, hey, I aim to win a couple of Comments fo the Week here so you guys better watch out!
There can only be one Noce!
Just heard about the news
I can’t say that I’m really torn up about this deal, because I was never a Hawes fan.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
Similar feelings. I don't like the salary Kings have taken on with the reduction of cap space.
Goodbye to Noc and Hawes. We won’t have them to write about anymore.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
Did we really
need more than the 15mil we still have for this year’s free agent class? We’re not signing a max free agent anyway. Much less 1.5.
I’m happy to defer it to next year.
think hes on Liberty Ballers atm
"Oh boy! If you don't like that you don't like Kings basketball"-Peaches
Should we criticize him for being consistent?
Bold Prediction: Whoever we pick 5th this year will have a better NBA season than whoever was picked 5th last year.
damn it. I think Im gonna have to go in there and save his skinny butt....
There can only be one Noce!
Argentina?
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
He got his money worth tonight.
As long as he doesn’t get too close to Kfan tonight.
Bold Prediction: Whoever we pick 5th this year will have a better NBA season than whoever was picked 5th last year.
I wonder if we'll have more money to throw around next summer than any other team.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 17, 2010 11:51 AM PDT reply actions
No one is ever going to have more money than the Nets ever again.
EVER.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
I meant "more money under the cap"
But that doesn’t negate your point.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 17, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Ellison has more dough
Yeah, Ellison has twice as much dough, in fact, $28 bill to $13 bill.
by basketball galactica on Jun 17, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Ellison doesn't own a team yet.
Allen is about on par though.
by unfair weather on Jun 17, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that could be the case too
And a very shrewd decision by the Kings if they don’t opt to sign anyone to a long term big money contract this year.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
This trade may also help to appease some of the more impatient fans hoping for us to blow our FA wad this summer
Not that Dally will sell many seats (at least until he leads us to unprecedented success), but at least the FO is doing something, and not just completely sitting on the cap space or making a bad signing.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 17, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
This is a good point as well
It’s all about shaking things up and making moves. The casual fans ‘appreciate’ that. Even for us, hardcore fans, this is an active start to what looks to be an interesting offseason.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Addition by subtraction?
Good deal. Lord was Hawes ever a stiff. I feel kind of bad for the guy, though. They’re gonna murder him in Philadelphia. If he ever plays.
holy moly
personal off topic—jeffeff i use that same name for emails and signing my artwork. (well, its actually “jefef” for me). thought i was the only jeff clever enough to use that. : )
and yes, they’ll murder Hawes like they did to Santa Claus years ago.
put me in, Coach
Love the trade...
I’m hoping we draft Cousins (second choice is Monroe), try to sign Morrow or Reddick to knock down jumpers (if they come at a fair price) and see what that team can do
Before I forget
Good luck Spencer!! I’m still a fan and wish you nothing but the best in Philly and wherever your career takes you. I still believe you can be a good player in this league but a change of scenery was needed at this moment.
Here’s to you coming back and not killing the Kings.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Wow
Didn’t expect the Kings to pull the plug on Spencer so quickly. Just out right dumped him for an UFA? So much for patience with 21 year old skilled 7’0’’. This trade has Westphal fingerprints all over it.
Dalembert will be a better influence and counterpart, to DMC, if he is the pick.
From the 76ers perspective, this locks in Evan Turner at #2. With Turners penetration skills, Noce and Spencer can spot shoot off him. Noce could excel there.
Top 5 is set!!!
Wall
Turner
Favors
Johnson
DMC
Really?
I would think the 76ers are even more interested in nabbing Cousins after this trade. Hawes and Speights as their only centers??
by chrysty on Jun 17, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
this (ha ha)
This trade HAS to mean that 76ers are looking to take either Favors or DMC -
it’s the only thing that makes sense -
they can’t trade Brand and Dalembert is also over-paid, so they don’t want 2 guys earning $20MM+ sitting on the bench behind their #1 pick
I would think the Sixers would go for Favors over Cousins
Favors and Hawes actually doesn’t sound like a bad pairing.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
One guy was awful, the other never played.
Besides, how could getting rid of guys who were on the roster for The Worst Season In Franchise History be a bad thing?
How about Teyshaun and #7 for Cap relief?
Then next season we have Dalembert’s 14.5 and Prince’s 11.5 under new collective and we could draft
Cousins at #5
Petriesque SF at #7
Sam Amick is on 1140 right now talking about the trade
"For five decades (and counting), these fans have been blessed with West, Baylor, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Shaq and Kobe. Seven of the 15 best players ever. At some point, the gravy train will end. The Lakers will bottom out like the Knicks did last decade, submarined by bad moves, poor signings and unlucky drafts. Their fans will flee in droves. Jack will pass away. The buzz will be gone. That's how the NBA works -- in a 30-team league, you can't always get lucky, not even if you're a big-market team with deep pockets. I don't know if that day is three years off or 30, but it's coming." Bill Simmons
I just hope this doesn’t turn into a Jermaine O’Neal situation. Struggle earlier, get traded, then turn into an All-Star.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
Oh, I don't think anyone ever attributed that level of skill to Spencer Hawes.
I believe he could be pretty good, I just don’t think he really gives a damn, honestly.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
That was my problem with Spencer. His body language made it seem like he didn’t give a damn.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
If
Hawes could play every game against the Lakers then he would be great. For some reason he steps it up against them. Going miss him!
He showed us what he did alright.
Bold Prediction: Whoever we pick 5th this year will have a better NBA season than whoever was picked 5th last year.
In O'Neal's first four years, played half as many minutes as Hawes did in his first 3, and was more productive during that time as well.
Only similarlity between the two is bad knees.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
with out Noce
I guess this means no more Hedo and Tayshaun rumors, does that make moving back more difficult?
I think now we stay put even more so!
by The Guy on the Couch on Jun 17, 2010 12:07 PM PDT reply actions
We still have Garcia's weird deal, and cap space to afford Prince.
Not sure how likely it is, but it wouldn’t be crazy.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Am I the only one ...
that thinks this trade HAS to mean that 76ers are looking to take either Favors or DMC -
it’s the only thing that makes sense -
they can’t trade Brand and Dalembert is also over-paid, so they don’t want 2 guys earning $20MM+ sitting on the bench behind their #1 pick
Which means both Favors and DMC are gone by #5 and Kings might still trade down for Whiteside (my choice) or Monroe
dear lord did you just copy and paste this like 5 times?
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
3x - sorry, got excited
breach of etiquette
I haven't been able to follow my Kings that much as of late :(
but I like the deal.
And as a big man myself, i hated Spencer’s game. You’re 7 feet tall. What the hell are you doing 18 feet away from the basket?
Ahh….how many more hours is it until the draft?
"Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward."
Oh
That drove me nuts about Hawes. Stay near the basket and at least get in position to grab a rebound.
BTW, you don’t have time for the Kings because the Braves have played so well lately.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
No kidding.
And yes indeed! Love my Braves. They’re playing their asses off for Bobby in his final season.
"Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward."
by Scott Coleman on Jun 17, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
That was a red flag indeed
Remember his college rebound numbers for a 7’ were atrocious. It turned out to be true in the bigs because he wouldn’t go around the basket.
Seems like a great trade but...
What’s his TS%?
by larry_funderburke on Jun 17, 2010 12:19 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I like this trade for Philly
Collins said he wanted Iguodala to take fewer jumpers and increase the frequency of his drives to the basket. I think that Hawes will make this easier because he won’t clog the middle
Foul trouble is a big problem for most young big men, so even if the Kings draft a big man, Dalembert will probably get his fair share of minutes. It’s not the best situation for him, but it’s not a bad situation.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
WOOOOOHOOO!!
Yeah! I’ve been watching Sammy for the last two season and he’s a shot blocking rebounding machine!
ailene voisin is wack!
I hope things work out for Haws and Noce but I am reminded of the W.C. Fields joke
First prize,1 week in Philly,second prize,2 weeks
by southern oregon on Jun 17, 2010 12:27 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Dalembert
was shafted in Philly last year…a shot blocking rebounder and scorer around the basket playing center in a Princeton system! Sounds like comedy.
ailene voisin is wack!
Sounds like
everything is falling into Petrie’s plan.
Step 1: Hype the most skilled center in the draft.
Step 2: Make a trade with the team that has the #2 pick, taking their center.
Step 4: The combination of #1 and #2 convince said team to pick said center with the number 2 pick, causing the consensus BPA to fall to us.
Step 5: Pick someone no one has ever heard of.
Brilliant!
by babasin on Jun 17, 2010 12:31 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Good Deal
For the Kings. Gets them out of the Nocioni contract, and keeps them from having to decide what to do with Hawes after this season. Dalembert gives them some defense and shot-blocking and will get plenty of easy dunks off Tyreke’s penetration. The Kings can go any direction with their draft pick now. Go big and further bolster their frontcourt, get a quality shooter with the pick, trade for either of these. Dalembert alone isn’t franchise-changing, but it puts the team in a much better position to make moves.
by IamPurple on Jun 17, 2010 12:31 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Good comments.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
back to whiteside...
If you think Whiteside is a possibility by moving down, could you move all the way down to 11 with N.O. and pick up Collison and Peja’s expiring? We would have huge cap room next year with Dally and Peja expiring.
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jun 17, 2010 12:32 PM PDT reply actions
This spells the end of the Whiteside debate for me.
He is too raw to help out for the first 2 years and Dalembert is only here for a one season try out. It’s either Cousins or Monroe IMO.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
wouldn't this add to Whiteside potential ?
he can sit behind Dalembert for at least 1 year, playing 10-15 min
Uh oh
Listening to Carmichael Dave he’s talking about how Amick is reporting the Kings are interested in trading down to select Hayward.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
Can Hayward play the 2?
kid’s got the handle, the high bball IQ, outside shot, with lots of upside …
I’d rather have Hayward than Monroe.
Even if it is
Would it really be that surprising? Petrie has always liked wing players like Hayward.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
Makes no sense
Since we haven’t worked him out and don’t have him scheduled for a work out. Will continue to have 0 faith in this rumor until he at least walks through the doors of Arco or Petrie attends a group workout with him.
Amick said the Kings will be working out Hayward within a week.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
day before the draft
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
not really worth getting worked up about though
No way they have decided to go with him yet. If they ever do decide it will be last minute so no point in freaking out now.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I dunno.
We all didn’t believe it when Amick said that he heard we interested in Reke over Rubio on draft day either.
"We're trapped inside the matrix, forced to play our hand. We're filled with so much hatred, the kids don't stand a chance." -- B.o.B. (aka Bobby Ray).
by PhutureKings on Jun 17, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Bah, what does Amick know?
Alot. I have learned not to doubt SamIam.
by betweentheeyes on Jun 18, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Well then
start your panic buttons. Lol, we’ll see. Considering Sammy’s age, we still have more of a need up front than at the 3.
Sleeping in on my day off did not pay off well.
This is shocking to me.
"Seriously guys, why are they pissed off? Because of the rape... are you sure? That doesn't add up." - Daniel Tosh on Kobe Bryant
SO
Philly takes Favors, NJ takes Turner, Minny takes Johnson, we get Cousins?
"Seriously guys, why are they pissed off? Because of the rape... are you sure? That doesn't add up." - Daniel Tosh on Kobe Bryant
by Ice_9ine on Jun 17, 2010 12:36 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Then Dave said
We will be drafting either Favors or Cousins with I like expotentially better than trading down.
LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 17, 2010 12:36 PM PDT reply actions
Somewhere in a corner
All future California Republicans are crying in a corner.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
by 49er16 on Jun 17, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Can you imagine
the inside presence we’d have if we draft Cousins and add him to Dalembert? I think they’d complement each other really well.
I think if Cousins is gone they play Monroe at the 4
"Seriously guys, why are they pissed off? Because of the rape... are you sure? That doesn't add up." - Daniel Tosh on Kobe Bryant
Doesn't them getting rid of Spence just kind of prophesy them picking Monroe?
"Seriously guys, why are they pissed off? Because of the rape... are you sure? That doesn't add up." - Daniel Tosh on Kobe Bryant
Thats what I was thinking at first.
It eliminates the Monroe pick redundancy. But the more I think about it, the more I look at last years draft as evidence that Petrie is working to overhaul the team rather than stick to the old pattern.
"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."
agreed
This is a team more in the Westphal and Maloof desire than the skill/finesse model we all saw at the beginning of the decade.
by betweentheeyes on Jun 18, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Yuck Dalembert
Although to get rid of Hawes and Noc I can live with Dalembert for a season. Loved Hawes talent but he’s not focused on basketball, he gave more effort arguing with Kings management about offseason requirements.
Should see some good Eastern conference basketball at Arco this year. Kings are scoring more than 95 points unless Reke goes for 40 points.
As far the trade goes...
Not bad. There is a risk in using Hawes to dump Noc since he is still a young player, but Hawes just hasn’t shown enough yet to feel any sort of confidence in him moving forward.
In 2007 we took the very skilled but physically less gifted Hawes because the Bulls took Noah right ahead of us. Noah struggles his first year adjusting to the NBA, then proceeds to become a defensive anchor and a building block for them moving forward. Hawes shows small flashes, but is largely ineffective. We use Hawes to dump a bad contract.
I am just hoping there isn’t a 2010 repeat of that. I hope Cousins falls to us and we take him. Not interested in Monroe one bit.
Next moves
Philly is going to take Cousins or Favors, the Nets are going to take whose left, leaving the Kings to take whoever Minnesota leaves on the board between Johnson and Turner. I think Petrie will keep the pick and go small.
If he gets Johnson, he’ll try to sign Joe Johnson and if he gets Turner, he’ll try to sign Rudy Gay. They’ll also resign Brockman and Ime.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
whose = who's
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
I dont see NJ going with cousins. they already have lopez achoring the 5 for year sot come. turner makes more sense for them.
Favor-Cousins
plus Lopez could anchor the 4 and 5 for years to come.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Talentwise, I love it
Dalembert rebounds well and protects the paint, swatting shots with tenacity. He doesn’t provide much in way of offense, and he doesn’t need to with our personnel.
Keep in mind that past season he was quite effective with a penetrating and passing guard in Allen Iverson (while he was there), who would get into the paint and dish off to Dalembert. Tyreke can do the same.
I think Petrie did this just to get back at Ailene for her article this morning
“What’s that, Ailene? The Lakers are awesome and Kings fans are pathetic? Cool, goodluck stalking Spencer from 3000 miles away.”
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 17, 2010 1:07 PM PDT reply actions
Ailene hates Hawes.
He likes Limbaugh, she can’t stand limbaugh(as her articles suggest). Obviously a non-starter from the get-go.
Terrible trade! Hope we enjoy a bottom tier center...
Here is a list of Centers better than Dalembert:
Obviously better centers (no order):
Bynum
Brooke Lopez
Perkins
David Lee
Bargnani
Noah
Bogut
Chandler
Horford
Dwight Howard
Yao
Marc Gasol
Okafor
Nene
Al Jefferson
Odem
Camby
Kaman
Biedrins
Arguable but I would take over SD:
Robin Lopez
Shaq
Big Z
Hibbert
Haywood
Jermain O’Neil
Dampier
Okur
B. Miller
HAWES
Thabeet
PF that could play center better than Dalembert:
P. Gasol
Scola
Boozer
Bosh
Zach Randolph
Kenyon Martin
Aldrich
Griffin
Amare
I think you might be brain damaged?
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
by otis29 on Jun 17, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
on which player otis?
who on the list would u not take to win a game instead of dalembert?
I'll rephrase
“I’m worried you might have brain damage”.
Tell you what…take your list and tell me which of those players is a better rebounder and defender than Dalembert. Let’s start there ok?
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
try about half of them...
Kings needed help on D and rebounding…Dalembert is top center 5 in each of those categories.
by ucla06 on Jun 17, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are we just talking about today's production or are we including talent, age, and contract situation?
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Players who I value less than Dalembert
Chandler
Biedrins (close one but won’t bank on him with the injuries and contract)
Shaq
Big Z
Jermain O’Neil
Dampier
B. Miller
HAWES
Zach Randolph (I might be the only one on this one but I can’t stand his off the court crap)
Aldrich
David Lee and Bargnani are not centers and if they play center I would rather have Dalembert for one year.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
and most if not all of these guys ....
have averaged 9.0+ reb/gm and 2.0 blks/gm over each of the last 3 years, are healthy (Oden, Jermaine O’Neal, Kmart, Big Z, Chandler, etc.) and don’t demand the ball on O …
yes, that’s sarcasm
You dumped this turd in two threads?
Save it, I’m sure it will be equally inane in a week.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jun 17, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why Spence
This trade sux cuz I wanted to give Spencer a little more time to develop and now he’s gone I sure hope he don’t become a beast and smash on us every year
Spencer
And beast and smash dont really go together.
LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 17, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure it does
That team’s beast smashed all over Spencer.
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by Aykis16 on Jun 17, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Let me tell you
Im back in Sac this week visiting and all day long I have just been reading and laughing. Most were directly related to Mikes epic list but that was a good one too Aykis.
LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 17, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Spencer, I wish you the best.
You have skills no other big man on our roster had— the footwork to be effective in the post from awkward angles and the vision to find open teammates at all the right times. Given time, these kinds of skills can make a player a nightmare to defend in the post. I, for one, sincerely hoped you would stay with us and realize the potential of these talents, giving our opponents nightmares as you scored and facilitated like few big men can. I’m sad to see you go.
I wish you the best in Philly. May you realize your potential, and may you overcome the tendency to linger on the perimeter. May you be paired with a guard who effectively feeds you in the post and a coach who builds you effectively as a player.
At times, I was disappointed by your progress here in Sacramento, but I hoped it would all be worth it later on when we saw how a matured Spencer Hawes was a key cog on contenting teams. I’ll miss the flashes of skill that made it so easy to imagine that future.
by twasserm on Jun 17, 2010 1:19 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
C'mon. We wanted to see him go. Now, let's not get teary-eyed.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
My page was slow to update, so I hadn’t seen your comment when I responded to S_D. You said everything I said (below) in a total of five characters. Thanks.
But you said it best
Thanks to you as well
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
You're absolutely free to disagree, but I've been a fairly consistent fan of Hawes.
As I stated, I enjoyed seeing flashes of skill in him (footwork and touch) that I didn’t see in anyone else on the team and imagining how those skills could add to our team in the future as he matured as a player. Few players of his age are finished products, and I wanted to hold on to him for the sake of what the future might bring.
If you disagree, feel free to state a contrasting opinion, but know that we (the membership of STR) were not unanimous in wanting to see him go.
Philly is taking Cousins
That’s why GP is working out Monroe and Whiteside, his “second tier” centers. Minnesota has claimed Wes Johnson as their favorite, but if Turner is still on the board at four (i.e. Jersey picks Favors), the Wolves may take him, leaving the Kings Johnson at five. I like Johnson at five, but maybe GP pulls off a trade. How about the five to Minnesota for some combo of the #16 (Whiteside?), #23 (Jordan Crawford?), and/or the rights to Rubio?
by basketball galactica on Jun 17, 2010 1:31 PM PDT reply actions
But if Jersey takes Turner,
then Minny takes Wes Johnson, it leaves Favors for the Kings. Dang, I want Cousins on the Kings, but Favors is a nice consolation. At least Hawes is outta here! I hated that guy!
by basketball galactica on Jun 17, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you kidding me
If this somehow causes Favors to drop to #5 it’s best hatched draft plan ever. Favors ain’t the consolation prize!
I still like Cousins moreso than Favors honestly.
Favors would be nice, but Daly’s a rental plain and simple.
You have Daly to ease Cousins into the NBA and take some pressure off him to produce right away, but then when Daly goes, Cousins enters the scene full-time.
If we end up with Favors then we have 3 semo-young to young PF’s on the roster. Cousins makes the most sense and IMO is the better player.
if Turner drops to 5
which could happen, does GP have even more trade partners?
I imagine he'll get a bunch of calls
but hopefully he’ll tell them to go away and grab Turner. Though, honestly I can’t see Turner lasting past NJ and Minny.
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Anyone think there was a wink-wink, nudge-nudge aspect of this deal
That by sending Hawes to Philly, Philly will pass on Cousins leaving him available to us at #5 to take. Why else include Hawes? Nocioni’s contract was more appealing to the Sixers than Dalembert straight up due to their financial obligations THIS year. Why else move Hawes? There was no need to sweeten the deal.
by Smills9133 on Jun 17, 2010 1:39 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
great point...
Petrie must has at least asked who they were trying to get at #2….right?
Don't think so...
Wouldn’t the Kings have switched picks with Philly if they really wanted Cousins? You can’t trust that 1) Philly would actually skip DMC, and 2) NJ and Minny would also pass on him.
by basketball galactica on Jun 17, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
They have their young Center now in Hawes.
I think this solidifies Turner at #2.
C: Hawes
PF: Speights
SF: Iguodala
SG: Turner
PG: Holiday
That’s a nice young 5 squad there and Hawes makes sense for them due to the fact they have limited shooting from their guards.
I think Favors goes 3, Johnson goes 4 and Cousins or maybe Monroe goes 5.
I agree.
The rumors have been that Collins wants a big and the GM wants Turner. This solves the issue. The GM just went out and got a higher skill level big for Collins to work with and now he can draft Turner. The problem with Philly has been the same thing for a while. They bring in a whole bunch of athletes with low basketball IQs and it limits their ability to do anything complex. The swap of Dalembert for Hawes opens up the floor for Speights and Iggy to work the interior. I’m pretty sure that Eddy Jordan wished this trade happened before last season, he would probably still have his job.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
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Miller/Salmons trade
I wonder if the Kings would like a do-over on that one. Yes, they were reportedly losing money at the time and needed to make a move (and then unceremoniously buy-out Drew Gooden), but Miller would be off the books and Salmons would’ve had a reasonable player option he might not have even exercised. Just thinking out loud here, but it’s too bad the Kings ended up getting one season of Dalembert for the pair…
As much as I’ve grown to hate Spencer, I’m not loving this trade and think he was worth more than a rent-a-center who might help the team win another 5-10 games. But what do I know? Here’s hoping for Cousins…
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I think you're underselling the financial aspect of this deal for the Kings
After next season, heading into the new CBA, the only contracts on our books that aren’t on a Rookie scale or a min. contract (Brockman, maybe another roster-filler) will be Cisco and Beno. I guarantee you 29 other teams wish they will have that financial flexibility at that point.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 17, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Dalembert's negatives
Stiff, no lateral movement abilities, not strong. Many of you say we’re getting a big D improvement, but you are wrong. You will hate D’s inability to guard the pick n roll. In addition, those of you who think having D as a mentor for Cousins is a good idea are wrong about that as well. D is constantly questioned for his work ethic and motor in Philadelphia. Not the “example” we need in Sac.
That, or....
the Kings are dealing with a disgruntled Nocioni and a frustrated Hawes. Delembert isn’t Hakeem Part 2, but he’s a significant defensive upgrade for this team. The Kings got more for Noc/Hawes than most of us realistically would have expected. Rebounding and shot-blocking are sorely needed with the defensive deficiencies of the rest of the Kings. The same negatives you list for Dalembert can be said about Hawes, so at least there’s some positives to list with Dalembert. Worst case scenario is he’s a one-year rental. Not much to lose here.
by IamPurple on Jun 17, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Plus, Dalembert may have renewed motivations...
as both a change of scenery and the fact that he is in a contract year might be large factors.
"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."
FUCK YES!
I love Dalembert, and he is probably glad as all hell to get the eff out of Philly. I know I’ve been absent so far through summer, but this is a great trade. We gain a lot in talent, and this opens the door for Wesley Johnson to come in at the 2.
I always had hope for Spence, but through three seasons, he just kind of coasted. Have fun in the ultra-liberal Philadelphia.
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