Kings Roster/Depth Chart, Post-Trade
by Tom Ziller on Jun 17, 2010 11:58 AM PDT
in Free Agency/Trades
Email
PrintThis is how the Kings' roster currently looks, in the form of my best guess depth chart heading into the draft.
Beno Udrih
Tyreke Evans/Francisco Garcia
Omri Casspi/Donte Greene
Carl Landry/Jon Brockman*
Samuel Dalembert/Jason Thompson
* Brockman is a free agent, but it is widely expected the Kings will quickly lock him up on the cheap.
234 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
We're still in the lottery for 2011
But we are going to be a lot more athletic.
Unless we draft Monroe.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
at the very least
he wouldn’t be redundant with Hawes gone, and Dalembert would cover his defensive deficiencies somewhat.
I think this deal makes it easier for the Kings to justify drafting Monroe if (and only if) Cousins is gone at #5.
this is scary
Dalembert is a exactly the big man we wanted, but it dims our chances of monroe and I think makes us more likely to draft AFA or hayward in my opinion. I just either hope they still go with cousins so dalembert walks after this season, or we trade down. I know GP doesn’t usually do it, but even he must know that there is more benefit to trading down and still get the player you want.
by oakland9 on Jun 17, 2010 12:05 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Why would you say that?
How does a one-year deal with SD diminish interest in Cousins, Favors, Monroe or Whiteside? Hayward and Aminu aren’t even on the slate of workouts.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jun 17, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
the fact
That GP made multiple attempts to get him last year and has always coveted him is what is making me think that. AFA and Hayward have also been linked to the kings, more so hayward. If they just are intending on using him for this year than I can see us taking DMC. But if GP has him in our future plans, I don’t see us taking a big with that pick unless its favors. But I could now maybe potentially see WJ fall again if Turner ended up falling.
by oakland9 on Jun 17, 2010 12:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Because if we keep Dalembert past this season while drafting DMC/Favors/Whiteside, having too many athletic bigs is a problem?
Come on.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Dal can play with Cousins - no problem
Dal plays low bloc and Cousins can play low and high.
ailene voisin is wack!
by Bambooozled on Jun 17, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
i dont mean it like that.
DMC and Favors will prolly be gone. Whiteside I could see behind Dalembert because they are both good defenderts. But let’s be serious, this move really makes a large impact on if we draft a big or not. I would still love a young big, I just don’t see it now, not this year at least.
Don’t forget, two of the most athletic and polished PF prospects we have ever seen will both be in the lottery next yea, tristan thompson and jared sullinger, so we can always try and grab one of them next year.
by oakland9 on Jun 17, 2010 12:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
We lost a big, we picked up a big. Why should our short or long-term goals be affected?
The problems of depth at the 4 & 5 are exactly the same as before the trade.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
depth is key
But I think the kind of big they will go for won’t be one of them, either an FA or a second rounder is what will most likely happen I believe.
by oakland9 on Jun 17, 2010 1:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree, andy.
I don’t think this in any way diminishes the possibility of the Kings drafting a big man, In fact, if anything I think it’s evidence that it’s more likely.
Dalembert has an expiring contract and it’s at least as likely he’ll be here for just one year as it is he’ll be here after the 2010/2011 season.
He’s a veteran, who will be 30 years old when his contract is up for renewal. So the way I see it, if the Kings draft any of the bigs we’ve been discussing the past few days (Cousins, Favors, Whiteside, Monroe), those young players are a much better fit with Dalembert on the roster than if Hawes was still around.
Hawes remaining on the team would have been the redundancy, and now that he’s gone the Kings can and will acquire their center of the future .
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Dalembert and Whiteside would be redundant also
but, I agree. The KIngs made up their mind to draft a Center, and that made Hawes expendable even if we hadn’t traded for Dalembert. JT, Landry, & Cousins/Favors/Monroe is a decent 3-man rotation.
But, they did get Dalembert. Now, the question is do we resign him and for how much? That’s why I’d like to see the Kings try to get another pick and go after Whiteside as the fall back plan in case we can’t afford to resign Dally. Or, at the very least, pick up someone like Brackins with the 33rd pick.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Do you mean
4 man rotation? haha, all the grammar talk has me spell checking, except fot this sentence…
I think if we do get a big guy it’s Monroe now. But I still think we are more inclined to go for a different position.
Do the Kings change their draft priorities now?
Instead of looking to draft a big man, would they now draft a wing player like Wes Johnson?
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
No
Posted this in the other thread, but we traded 1 center for 1 center. The new center is 29/30 and an expiring contract. The SF played 5 MPG by the end of the year. And we have not worked out Johnson, Hayward or Babbit. Aminu once and Henry upcoming. Guessing a big is still our priority in the 1st round.
That's what I thought
Securing the middle should be the Kings top priority.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
Seems like we need another backup ball handler
I wish we had enough to trade for Darren Collison. Looks like we might draft a ball-handling guard in the second round.
maybe we do?
if we took peja and swapped #5 for #11, i think NO jumps on that….saves them a ton of money and probably some luxury tax.
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jun 17, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
No Peja, please.
Young guys with back problems are a no-no.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Peja's not young.
He’s what, 33 now?
StR Token Female
by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 17, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean meant he started having issues at a relatively young age.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
i still hope we take a C in the draft and not hayward...i'd like to see GP go after Gay
RekeRoy!!! all day....GO KINGS!!!
I'll guarantee you this
Whoever wins the overpay-for-Gay lottery is going to regret it in two years.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
by iashwash on Jun 17, 2010 12:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
George Rekers knows it's better to rent than to overpay.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Rudy Gay is really good, and he's getting better
and in two years, he’ll still be a few years away from reaching his prime
put me in, Coach
I'm not on board w/ the Rudy pursuit...
…but I do agree that it would be a huge mistake to trade down for Hayward. (Drafting him at #5 would be insanity.) He will disappear in the NBA faster than Adam Morrisson.
We need to sign Raymond Felton! Not Gay!
ailene voisin is wack!
by Bambooozled on Jun 17, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Good defensive guard who improved his shooting big time last year.
Not a bad move the Kings can probably get a pretty serviceable player at #33.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
I think the depth chart shows for the current season
The biggest need is a 2 to move Garcia 1 step back in the rotation.
I can live with the SF for a season to see if they improve.
We obviously need a C long term and would grab him this draft if we get a chance.
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
We still draft Cousins if available
Though this throws smoke on that for other teams, and look add a youngster to the SG position.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 17, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Concur!
upscale version of the banned this.
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
i figure anybody who thinks enough like me
that I agree with their post can’t be all that bright and shouldn’t be rec’d.
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
You look away for an hour and the world changes.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
Dalembeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeert
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
by iashwash on Jun 17, 2010 12:16 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Dosn't really sing, does it?
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 17, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
More like a burp.
But, this does stop any attempts at signing Haywood in the off-season.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
by iashwash on Jun 17, 2010 12:18 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Rather have Dal than Haywood personally.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Care Bert?
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
The line up is better....
But, according to Amick he disappears a lot in games, and he says that he never really developed a game or basketball i.q.
Dalembert does not the Kings a playoff contender make.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
by iashwash on Jun 17, 2010 12:17 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah Dalembert isn't known for his smart choices on the court.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
We should be able to keep things simple for him.
Rebound. Block. Rebound. Dunk. Rebound.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 17, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
That wasn't Amick
That was the philly correspondent
by Webber's Ankle on Jun 17, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
smart or not
Big D avgs 9-10 reb/gm and 2 blks/gm and has played 82 games for last 4 years -
he plays D, rebs and not too soft …. which is lots better than Hawes, and only signed for 1 year
by Watty4ever on Jun 17, 2010 12:19 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I can't believe how tough this team is.
I don’t think I’ve ever had the pleasure of rooting for such a scrappy (on paper) team before.
Go Kings!
'96-'97 Kings were scrappy and fun to watch
Mitch, Brian Grant and Michael “The Animal” Smith, Sarunas, Corliss and Tyrus…
put me in, Coach
sorry! I was 22 then!
well take my word for it. after watching the Kings win 23 games a year for several years, it was really exciting when they scraped into the playoffs and put a little scare into the Sonics.
put me in, Coach
by LaBradford on Jun 17, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah 95-96
and yes they were scrappy as all hell. I LOVED Sarunas
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He was my favorite that year.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 17, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Sarunas was gone, traded for adbul-rauf. And they kind of sucked
I think you are thinking 95-96.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
great year though
I remember compared to all the Sonics we sucked but it didn’t matter. That team kept on fighting. Easily one of my most favorite Kings teams.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Just woke up, what the hell?
"Seriously guys, why are they pissed off? Because of the rape... are you sure? That doesn't add up." - Daniel Tosh on Kobe Bryant
As in, what the hell?
You just admitted you wake up at 12:30 pm?
by brianmc27 on Jun 17, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
my wild ass guess is...
Hat GP will take a guard like Avery Johnson to play with Tyreke. Even if he does not trade down. But this is what it could be if they made a move with the pistons.
Beno/AJ
Reke/Greene
Prince/Casspi
Landry/Brockman or 2nd rounder (Brackins?)
SD/JT
I secretly want the kings to draft De’Sean Butler from WV. He had a really bad injury to end his tremendous senior season, but if he can work out well and proves he is healthy, he could be great with Reke. He can. Handle, shoot, is really smart, and fairly athletic. So he could end up being a steal if we did decide that. But that is just me haha.
by oakland9 on Jun 17, 2010 12:31 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Not sure Avery Johnson is available.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 17, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I think the Nets "signed" him.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
wow im retarded
i meant avery bradley, wow its a rough start to a day lol
by oakland9 on Jun 17, 2010 1:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
are those
Some of the extra trade details? I know they were hammering out extra papers LOL.
by oakland9 on Jun 17, 2010 12:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
not concerned
The post verified my belief as well that Brockman will come back for cheap.
by oakland9 on Jun 17, 2010 12:51 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Hope we resign him
like his energy…
Purveyor of Bull Plop
Draft Impact -
Little to none. If the Kings hold on to the #5 pick, they draft one of the five best players. And of my five (Wall, Turner, Favors, Cousins, Johnson), all of them fit on the current roster. Johnson is possibly the least needed, but I don’t see passing on him to take a player on the next tier, unless someone comes in and just dazzles the Kings brass.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
agreed
But based on the fact it was the sixers letting dalembert go for hawes makes me think they will still be more inclined to take Cousins. But your right, it really still depends on who falls, just lowers the chance of us selecting a DMC with that picl. I’m anticipating another trade, that might give us a better idea, but you just can’t say what GP will do lol.
by oakland9 on Jun 17, 2010 12:43 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
i really wish it's Cousins.
but i’d be happy with moving down a few spots, nabbing Monroe, and getting a veteran backup PG in the trade..
in petrie i trust.
well then they probably would have taken Cousins regardless by that logic
If they wanted to get rid of Dalembert, it was going to happen whether with the Kings or not. Alot of teams have cap space this offseason. This is the perfect offseason to dump off soon to be expiring contracts.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Amick on Twitter
Adding insult to insult, Kings passed a chance to get Joakim Noah for Hawes straight up two years ago before Bulls big man blossomed.
facepalm
If that’s true that was an incredibly dumb decision.
The consensus I guess.
Hard to blame Petrie for that non-trade IMO. The Noah improvement seemed to come out of nowhere.
No way
The criticism of Noah was that he was immature and his teammates didn’t like him. He was always extremely productive.
i wanted Noah as well
and I thought GP wanted to draft him, but the Bulls swiped him 1 pick earlier?
put me in, Coach
i only wanted Noah
because my son’s name is Noah. Tha’d be a nice jersey.
yes, you're right nbrans
i just was wondering why GP wouldn’t want to do that swap when he earlier coveted Noah.
but as people are pointing out on here, Noah’s career wasn’t looking as good at that time as it is now.
put me in, Coach
True
but until this year Hawes was also seen as promising and productive and Hawes is three years younger.
It obviously would have been a good trade for the Kings, but I’m just saying I understand where Geoff was coming from.
Not to mention that I think Hawes may yet be a good player. Not as good as Noah, but they were similarly talented guys with a three year age gap at the time.
I don’t know what I’m arguing anymore because I agree, this trade would have been awesome, but yeah.
Considering how many people were highly pissed off when Noah was picked right before us
I’d say you are wrong.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
I'm talking about when they offered this trade two years ago.
No one thought much for Noah then. This new Noah love is a clear case of hindsight bias.
Just last year, everyone here was chanting shock and hawes.
I actually remember reading an STR piece last year that addressed this Noah being slipped and said something along the lines of “and we thought it was bad then . . . how things change”
I agree Noah is a great player. But let’s not say we all saw it coming.
Just Saw
NBADRAFT.NET
Getting Monroe in the first and Solomon Alabi in the second round. That would be a big line-up
Those guys are always right. Let's buy our jersey's today before the price goes up.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
in respect to the repost of the threadiquette trade.....
is this a good trade? =f*** yesssssssssss
yes yes yes finally we get a trade that helps in more ways than one
a. we lose a streaky, expensive,whiny , aging forward
b. we lose a so-so skilled ego-inflated center, with a rising salary
c. we gain the post defensive presence that we needed
d.we gain the def rebounding that we need
e. we gain the frontcourt veterancy that we needed
f. a solid, consistent 30 mpg starting center
Congrats we just got one of the worst centers in the league for a 21 year old up and comer
Obviously better centers (no order):
Bynum
Brooke Lopez
Perkins
David Lee
Bargnani
Noah
Bogut
Chandler
Horford
Dwight Howard
Yao
Marc Gasol
Okafor
Nene
Al Jefferson
Odem
Camby
Kaman
Biedrins
Arguable but I would take over SD:
Robin Lopez
Shaq
Big Z
Hibbert
Haywood
Jermain O’Neil
Dampier
Okur
B. Miller
HAWES
Thabeet
PF that could play center better than Dalembert:
P. Gasol
Scola
Boozer
Bosh
Zach Randolph
Kenyon Martin
Aldrich
Griffin
Amare
by mike murray on Jun 17, 2010 1:11 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
You're right, we should have traded Hawes for Gasol or Stoudamire
Because, you know, that could happen.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jun 17, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The point is another way below average center is not the answer
We still have a bottom 5 center, the difference is he is 8 years older now.
See the list
If there are 19 that are obviously better, then a bunch that are most likely better, where do you think a 30 team league average lands?
19 that are better...WTF?
YOu have no godam rating system or proof that there are 19 that are “obviously better” and a “bunch that are most likley better.” WTF does “most likely mean?”
ailene voisin is wack!
because you can't find one of the 19?
Just admit that he is obviously not a top 20 center.
Nene,. just for starters
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
Re read the list tard
You just named a bunch of the arguable players. Not players from the 19 obviosly better ones.
Who fucking cares.
YOu have no point anyways and you have no analysis so why should I argue with a pointless dimwit.
ailene voisin is wack!
i was about to disagree with him
but i dont really understand his reasoning
by Harrisonyaka on Jun 17, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Biedrins
Dude averaged fewer points, rebounds, and blocks, at GSW playing more minutes. Please explain how that makes him obviously better. Just that one for starters. Show you have a clue.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
Carreer stats are lower too
Strike one. Swing again?
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
8 pts, R rbounds,
career stats per game. You want that?
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
And
Bogut gets hurt every season. He plays like a stud for half the season and then breaks down. How is this better than Dalembert? Dalembert has never had a serious injury.
ailene voisin is wack!
*Cries*
"We follow people who know a lot more about basketball than I do or pretend to..."
--David Stern
by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 17, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Come on, u wouldn't prefer Bogut over Dalembert??
Bogut was a certified stud last year (pre-injury of course as u mentioned)
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
Arguable list
And you would really not take bogut?
so Dalembert > Bogut
I guess that sums up your agument, and we are done talking.
We were done before we started
Why don’t you do better than making a list next time.
ailene voisin is wack!
C'mon
You have Odem on your list. Seriously?
Might as well have Blake Griffin there, too.
StR Token Female
by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 17, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just off the top of my head...
Bynum – Yes, if he could stay healthy
Brooke Lopez – Yes
Perkins – Yes
David Lee – not really a center
Bargnani – no
Noah – yes
Bogut – yes
Chandler – no
Horford – yes
Dwight Howard – yes
Yao – yes…hoping he’s healthy
Marc Gasol – probably
Okafor – are we taking contracts into consideration?
Nene – No
Al Jefferson – No
Odem – No
Camby – Maybe for a 1 year rental
Kaman – yes
Biedrins – no
and just for clarification
Hawes comes in at 29th on your list?
Hmmmm
Chandler (injury problems)
Perkins (just tore his knee!)
Oden (injuries)
and i believe he’ll only be here for one year, so there’s no way I’d take Thabeet over him this year. None. Okur’s ruptured his Achillies, won’t be back for a while.
He’s not as horrible as you want to make him. He’s an 8 pt, 8 reb, 2 blocks a game guy. A defensive presence that we haven’t had here.
Show me a list that doesn't suck big green hairy ones
And then we’ll talk.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
by otis29 on Jun 17, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd put him around 15
And Spencer around 30.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
really?
so who off the obvious list and all the arguables are not better? really dude? come on.
Again, your list sucks big green hairy ones
Here’s a list of guys that are pretty clearly better than Dalembert:
Howard
Duncan
Bogut
M. Gasol
Bynum
Kaman
Noah
B. Lopez
Jefferson
Nene
Horford
I’d say he’s in the ballpark with Perkins, Haywood, Bargnani, Noah, and Okafor. And I may have missed one or two players, but I’d put him safely in that 15 range.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
and thats why u over value this guy
but u will realize that in time.
Allrightythen
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
No Way.
15 range is a very fair place to put Dalembert. I dont see how you can argue with that. Dal is the perfect blue-collar type of center to play with Tyreke.
ailene voisin is wack!
you really think he's better than Chandler? You do have to consider injury history and price you know.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
and...if you are looking for defense and rebounding....
which is what the kings need….only Howard is clearly better
your obvious list has good centers...
but tell me how
biedrens…Dal does everything better
Perkins…better man defender…worse rebounder/shot blocker
David Lee…doesn’t block shots and not a center….cross him off
Bargnani…this dude is not a center cross him off…
Chandler….always hurt…not a better rebounder/shot blocker/scorer
Marc Gasol…not a better rebounder/shot blocker
Okafor…not a better rebounder/shot blocker
Nene…not abetter rebounder/shot blocker
you are wasting my time
maybe its pronounced ODEM....
I wouldn’t know…he never gets his name called
by ucla06 on Jun 17, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No
Lamar Odom.
Greg Oden.
Really, guy? Really??
StR Token Female
by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 17, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I would prefer Greg Oden
I think it’s worth it even though he has the injury history
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't really get being disappointed in this trade because you were hoping for some other trade
The trade that happened was Hawes/Noc for Dalembert. Either it’s good for us, bad for us, or neutral based on those players (and their contracts). It’s can’t be a bad trade because there’s lots of Centers that you would rather have over Sammy.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 17, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Logic on the internet, when dealing with the immature?
I don’t know what to think.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
LOL
LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 17, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
God
Could you take up more space please! And your argument has no argument. Listing a thousand players doesn’t prove anything.
And by the way, who’s ODEM? You really think Oden is better than Dalembert? and Thabeet, Dampier, and J. O’Neal? Randoplh is not even the same kind of player and Griffin would never play Center. Dude, get some substance with this B.S.
ailene voisin is wack!
You guys can keep missing the point
WE STILL HAVE NO CENTER. The difference is that we are paying 12 million to one now, who is 29, and is not an upgrade. Add in the loss of cap space this summer, and its easy to understand my outrage.
That's right
Because centers only pass and score. Rebounding and defense is optional.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
by otis29 on Jun 17, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
try backing up your post and not just listing names
Per 36 min averages comparing Hawes and Dalembert
Hawes
46.8% FG, 68.9%FT, 8.2 rbs, 3.0 ast, 1.6blks, 2.5to, 13.7pts
PER 13.8
Dalembert
54.5% FG, 72.9% FT, 13.3 rbs, 1.1ast, 2.6blks, 2.1to, 11.3 pts
PER 16.8
You are nuts
by ucla06 on Jun 17, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
those numbers speak volumes
Dalembert’s a top 10-12 center in the league and JT was the Kings’ best 5 last year.
The guy avg around 10 reb and 2 blocks and is 7 feet tall. WTF you mean we still have no center?
I think with JT we actually have two
LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 17, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he meant Lamar..another non center, the list he has should be invalid because he doesn’t know the difference between center and PF
by oakland9 on Jun 17, 2010 2:02 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
hahah...you listed Hawes....
what kind of team are you trying to put together?
by ucla06 on Jun 17, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
put him under arguable
Hawes at 22 could prove to be a much greater player than SD.
Anyone could prove to be better
But is he better? No. Has he shown any consistent signs that he will be better? No? Is he working hard to be better? Not that I’ve seen.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
1.8 blks per game.... not that much of a difference from Hawes
especially considering the negative that SD gives on offense.
what about the negative Hawes gives on offense
you are treating him like he is good for 20 points a game
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Funny you should mention that
I was just over at basketball-reference, and checked the offensive ratings for these two. Last season, Hawes offensive rating (estimated points produced per 100 possessions) was 101, while Dalembert was 110. For their careers? Hawes is at 99, Dalembert is at 106.
I’d assume a good deal of the discrepancy in Dalembert’s favor is due to the way these guys are used in the offense – Spencer’s an outside shooter, and never really has found a decent high percentage shot. Dalembert is a “get the rebound and stuff it” kind of player. But I’ll defer to those around here with a deeper knowledge of advanced statistics to chime in.
Interesting information to chew on, nonetheless.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Yeah I am of the personal opinion that Hawes the great shooter is a bit of a myth
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Unless a Center is an elite shooter....stay inside
Hawes shooting has always taken away from his rebounding….which was already terrible…
Regardless of whether it leaves him in position to get an offensive rebound
I just think he isn’t that great of a shooter. He did a good job of finding the cutters when he was at the top of the key but I just never thought his actual shooting was all that great regardless of his rebounding duties.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Right
It looked purty for a guy that tall, but it didn’t actually go in the basket often enough. Which is, you know, sort of the point.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 17, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
That he is better than Hawes
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
by SavageBeast on Jun 17, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Come on, that's too much work
It’s easier to just say he sucks.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
Lol
I think Mike is hilarious.
LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 17, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Of your list of "obviously better"
I’d rather have Dalembert over Bynum (Guy is way too injury prone), Perkins, Bargnani, Chandler, Oden, Camby, Biedrins, and Kaman.
Of the Arguable, I’d take Dal over every single one of the players you listed.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Perkins, Bargnani, Chandler, Okafor Odem, Biedrins
All should at least be arguable. You just have random man hate for Sam obviously
LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 17, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
And extreme man love for Spence
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Yea lol
Extreme man love.
LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 17, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
im sorry but your comment lost all credibility when
i saw Shaq over Dalembert
and the 6’9 Luis Scola as a better center than Dalembert….
"I have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot...and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why... I succeed." Michael Jordan.
by Surprise Team on Jun 17, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you going to keep posting this?
If you are, Hawes is 22, not 21 so at least get that straight before you re-post it in another 5 threads.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
by jjham15 on Jun 17, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd and thanks for the laugh
This list is absolutely hilarious. My favorite part is that everyone in this thread kept repeating “Odem” because they didn’t know if he was referring to Oden or Odom.
Sorry
I still don’t buy JT as a center. I understand that we have Ladry. But that doesn’t make JT strong enough to bang with other centers, and it doesn’t make Brockman athletic enough to keep up with most power forwards. I see the depth chart as:
Landy, JT
Sammy, Brockman
I also am surprised to see all of you who jumped on me, LPA and others for saying ‘Reke was not a point guard, suddenly agreeing that he is a two. I don’t buy it—yet. I finally came around to seeing him as a slashing, score first, tough match-up PG. I still think he can be that. Unless and until he develops an outside shot, he is not a 2 guard.
And based on that, I say draft Cousins if he is there and spent your FA money on a solid shooting one or two.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
by SavageBeast on Jun 17, 2010 1:11 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I dont know
I thought JT played the position nicely last yr.
LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 17, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Jermain O’Neil?
Really? Really??? Sorry, any credibility you might have had flew out the window with that one name alone. We got the third best defensive rebounding center in the league. We gave a up a guy who we’ve been waiting to up and come for three years. We got rid of the weight of Noc’s unhappiness and contract, and got a $12m expiring. This is a win no matter what you might think.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
by SavageBeast on Jun 17, 2010 1:14 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
reply fail.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
I laughed so hard
At mikes thread, I think he should make a few more lists.
LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 17, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Mike's next thesis:
Why “Caddyshack” is a better movie than “The Godfather”.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
by otis29 on Jun 17, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
That would be a thesis paper I would love to read.
After I get past his last one of why Milli Vanilli> Led Zepplin
LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 17, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Caddyshack 2.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Because at least Caddyshack 1 was a good movie.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I was trying not to get too outrageous
You know how I tend to avoid hyperbole at all times. :)
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Come on
There are at least 19 movies better than Caddyshack
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
by SavageBeast on Jun 17, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Defending a position based in wishful thinking is a bad idea.
“Oh noes! Dalembert isn’t the best center in the league!”
He is an obvious upgrade defensively, which is where the Kings need the most help.
Offensively, he isn’t actually a downgrade, based on the per 36 averages that UCLA provided above.
So stop bitching that Dalembert isn’t Wilt Chamberlain, and either make a valid point, or just back away slowly.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jun 17, 2010 1:30 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
This...err i mean Reke'd?
Obviously Hawes hasnt reached his prime yet, but getting Dalembert gives us an upgrade at our most needed “skills”, rebounding and defense.
Plus, if Dalembert does great he will be a valuable trade chip and I wouldnt mind re-signing him (but not to the tune of 13 mill)
"I have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot...and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why... I succeed." Michael Jordan.
by Surprise Team on Jun 17, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
can we just extend his contract?
Most big’s are good till about 32…a 3 year extension to the tune of 7-8mil a seasons sounds right
Portland just extended Camby
and he is 36 I believe. So if he can produce its not out of the question.
LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 17, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
if Sammy plays well
next summer at $7-8MM per under new CBA sounds about right, depending on the other options.
Le's calm down about signing him already
Let the guy get here and show what he can do. I know we’re all excited but let’s chill for a bit and see what happens
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
I hear ya
I was just saying he isnt so old that if he produces we still cant resign him.
LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 17, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I completely agree with the statement that Andy Sims has so cleverly and logically laid out here. It is worthy of merit, and therefore shall be recommended. I approve so much, in fact, that I think it is deserving of a viridian hue.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
by Aykis16 on Jun 17, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
u lost me at I
"I have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot...and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why... I succeed." Michael Jordan.
by Surprise Team on Jun 17, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
thank you andy
bingbingbingbing its an upgrade defensively!
we can outscore any team in the league, we have an excellent offensive staff(yoda. are you kidding me?) we have all the pieces for offense. now all we need is defense. and thus,
dalembert/defensive center + weak interior defense= improvement.
Kind of happy with Dalembert
Looking at the Pacific Division, the Kings are going to need a more physical, taller front line that Softie Hawes (Bynum in LA, Camby in Port, Kaman in LA).
My question now is can we draft Cousins to play the 4? Defense/Rebounding will be much improved, but the question would be the offense.
Evans pick-n-roll, pick-n-pop with Cousins. If opponent’s big man steps up to Tyreke’s penetration, then alley oop to Dalembert at the rim. Casspi/Udrih/Garcia on the other side to shoot 3’s. Seems like that could be some fun to watch.
Just my opinion
JT will start over SD at the 5 with SD rotating in off the bench for JT/Landry, and look for a SF or 2 Guard to be drafted maybe Wes J or trade down
I think with Dalembert also
It gives us some things outside of skills.
He brings a peaceful manner with him, he helps the community and was great during the Haiti ordeal. I just appreciate good people doing good things.
I also think he will bring a hard working motor to practice which can translate to games, which can result in more wins, maybe less pouting.
The more I think about it, the more I think he could mentor DMC very well for a year or so.
But all in all, he is a very solid player that our team has liked for awhile, and he is a good person to have on a team full of young and upcoming players.
Kudos to GP for making a great team move.
Draft
First of all, great move by Petrie once again. I have an idea for draft day as a result of this move. I think we should swap the #5 pick with the t-wolves for #16 and #23. With the 16th pick we add James Anderson as a much-needed shooting option. With the 23rd and 33rd picks we address the frontcourt.
Why is Tyreke listed as a SG?
Isn’t Tyreke Rookie of the Year Evans our starting point guard? Did he lead the team in assists? Yes. Adding Cousins and Dalembert and subtracting Hawes and quick shooting Noc will increase his assists. Adding another deep 3 point shooter will give him even more assists on his drive and kick outs. Tyreke might average over 8 assists next year. He could have had that as a rookie if his team mates could hit their shots.
Beno is a good third guard, spelling the starting PG or even SG if Tyreke is on the floor and can switch on defense. Meaning the team needs a starting SG in free agency or trade. Garcia will be a good second team SG, challenging and competing in practice and providing insurance in case of injury to the regular 3 guard rotation of Evans, Udrih and ???? I vote for Morrow – restricted free agent, but worth the risk of throwing down some $$ and seeing if Golden State really steps up to match.
Why bag on Dalembert?
He’s just here for one year and helps clear Noc’s contract a year early. Hawes showed in three years to be what many suspected a reach. No doubt he can do some things, but he does not get your team through the trees in the west because he plays the 5 position very small.
And Cousins might start anyway.
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
NBA Playoffs Content Module
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recent FanPosts
In Association With
Ball Don't Lie - NBA - Yahoo! Sport
- The Indiana Pacers? Gone till November
- Shaquille O’Neal is in a Chinese beer commercial, too (VIDEO)
- ‘Deep Thoughts’ and Cheap Thoughts: San Antonio Spurs vs. Oklahoma City Thunder
- C-a-C: This is probably as close to LeBron James working with John Waters as we’ll ever get
- Dwyane Wade’s hot pink pants: The kind of thing you can get away with when you drop 41
