Hello, Dali!
Nuh-uh, little man.
While reading through all of the threads on the Samuel Dalembert, I was taken aback by all of the negative backlash…until I realized that it was primarily the same member posting the same comment over and over and over again, in each of the various threads. But as luck would have it, the comment sort of got stuck in my head (remember the Seinfeld where George used the same tactic – Co-Stanz-a!). So after warning said member for spamming the site, I was left pondering his assertion/assertion/assertion/assertion/assertion that there were something like 4,621 centers in the NBA that were better for Dalembert.
Now, since there was no criteria set, it’s sort of left up to me to establish the guidelines that we’ll be using. For example, the thread comment of this individual suggested that current old players and unproven young players both belonged on this list. I say that you can’t have it both ways. If you are projecting this list for 3-4 years down the line, then guys like Shaq, Tim Duncan, maybe even Yao have to come off this list. On the other hand, if we’re living in the present, don’t waste my time with the "upside" of guys like Hawes, Speights, etc. So, I’m going strictly by who is starting in the NBA today, and whether or not the Kings would be better off with these other big men.
For reference, Dalembert averaged 8.1 points, 9.6 boards and 1.8 blocks in 26 minutes a night last year. He was the 5th best rebounding center in the league last year in terms of average, 2nd in rate, trailing only Dwight Howard. His blocked shot totals ranked him 5th amongst centers (he was 6th in rate). Dalembert shot 55% from the field and 73% from the line (and took no 3 point shots!), but he is not a prolific offensive player. Simply, Dalembert hangs his hat on the defensive end of the floor, and we might have to go back to Doug Christie to find a rotation Kings player that fit that description.
And away we go –
Atlanta – Al Horford. I’m not going to argue whether or not Horford is a true center. He plays center for the Hawks, and that’s all that matters. I take Horford in a heartbeat. He works on defense, rebounds, scores efficiently, shoots free throws well for his position, and makes only $5.5 million (QO the following year, so he is due to get paid big soon). Sorry Dali, you’re down 0-1.
Boston – Kendrick Perkins averaged 10.1/7.6/1.7 for the Celtics this year. For what it’s worth, the 25 year old also drew 16 technical fouls and shot a frightening 58% from the line. Some say that Perkins would have greater numbers if he were not the 5th offensive option, while others say that he is the benefactor of playing with Garnett, Pierce, Allen and Rondo. I tend to believe the latter. Dalembert would have been a lot better in a Celtics uniform this year than Perkins would have been in a 76ers uniform. On Perkins side is the fact that he will make over $10 million less than Dalembert this year before becoming a free agent, and he is 4 years younger. But Dalembert brings more defense and less nonsense. This one is a push. Dalembert trails 0-1-1.
Charlotte – Tyson Chandler would be starting over Nazr Mohammed if he were healthy, so we’ll go with Tyson. For their careers, Chandler averages .5 more rebounds per game, while Dalembert counters with .5 more blocks per game. They score the same, with Chandler better from the field and Dalembert better from the line. This is also close, especially when you consider they both get paid in excess of $13 million this year before they become free agents. But Dalembert is healthy, and Chandler likely is not. Dalembert wins here, the score stands 1-1-1.
Chicago – Joakim Noah averaged a double double last year, and added 1.6 blocks per game. Somehow, he shot 74% from the line with that stroke, but only 50% from the field. He is 25 years old, he is inexpensive (at least until next year), and he is better than Dalembert, in my opinion. 1-2-1.
Cleveland – With Shaq a free agent, Anderson Varejao would be Cleveland’s current starting center, I guess. I’d take Dalembert over the Shaq circus for this Kings team, and while Varejao is a nice player, Dalembert is a better rebounder and shot blocker. 2-2-1.
Dallas – Erick Dampier is 34 years old and not as good as Samuel Dalembert. You might be able to make more of a case with Brendan Haywood, but he is neither a starter nor a Maverick. 3-2-1.
Denver – This one is closer than one might think. Nene is going to make $23 million over the next two years. He averaged almost one rebound less per game last year than Jason Thompson., and finished 24th amongst center in rebounding rate. His blocked shot ranked him 30th at center, just behind Jason Thompson. He averaged 13.8 points per game, which was 1.3 points better than Jason Thompson and good for 9th best in scoring at his position. In other words, Nene is a more expensive version of Jason Thompson. Understanding that he kills Dalembert when you compare their offensive talents, Dalembert makes more sense for this Kings roster than Nene. Yes, Nene is probably a little better when taken at face value. But Dalembert is better for this Kings roster. Dalembert now leads 4-2-1.
Detroit – Um, they have no center. Wallace is a free agent, Jerebko is a power forward (and not as good as Dalembert – not yet, anyway). Jason Maxiell? Charlie Villanueva? Mulva? Gipple? Delores! 5-2-1.
Golden State – Who is starting for them at center these days, Monta Ellis? Biedrins is the likely candidate, I suppose; he of the 4 year, $36 million contract and the 16% free throw percentage (4-25!). Dalembert has higher point, rebound and block averages for his career, playing at a slower tempo. You win another Juan, Samuel. 6-2-1.
Houston – The question is Yao’s health. I would trade Dalembert for Yao right now, without a physical, and take the chance. 6-3-1.
Indiana – If Roy Hibbert grows up to be as effective defensively as Samuel Dalembert, the Pacers will be very, very happy. He is not there yet. Now, Hibbert is younger, but one wonders how much better he will really get. This is a guy that finished behind Spencer Hawes in rebounding average and rate. Nice shot blocker, though not as effective as Dalembert. Much cheaper, but a plodder. Down the line or for cap purposes, Hibbert might be the choice. But today, it’s Dalembert. 7-3-1.
LA Clippers – I’m going with Chris Kaman here. You give up a little on defense, but he brings soooo much more to the table on offense. 7-4-1.
LA L*kers – Do me a favor – go check out Bynum’s last three years, the number of games that he has missed, the numbers that he has put up. The potential is certainly tantalizing, but where’s the beef? Yeah, I would trade Dalembert for Bynum. But I’d probably wind up regretting it. 7-5-1, in spite of my reservations.
Memphis – Marc Gasol. Me likey. 7-6-1.
Miami – Joel Anthony? 8-6-1.
Milwaukee – Like Yao (but to a lesser extent), his health can be a concern. But he’s uber-talented, and plays both ends of the floor (Tyreke putting him on skates notwithstanding). 8-7-1.
Minnesota – Don’t start with Al Jefferson, because he was a PF for the latter part of the season, after the Wolves determined that he and Kevin Love were not an effective starting duo. They went with Milicic (currently a free agent), and he was backed by Nathan Jawai and Ryan Hollins. 9-7-1.
New Jersey – Brook Lopez. Yes, please. 9-8-1.
New Orleans – I think that Okafor is the better overall player (though his 56% free throw percentage might say otherwise), but his contract is a lot worse (longer, anyway). Dalembert basically brings what Okafor could, and with far less long term risk. But since we’re dealing in the here and now, I’m going to give the edge to Emeka. 9-9-1.
New York Knicks – At the end of the season, I think it was Earl Barron. Today, it would be Eddy Curry. 10-9-1.
Oklahoma City – Nenad Krstic is the starter for the Thunder, and Dalembert is better for the Kings than Krstic would be. Ibaka is behind him and developing, though I think that he will ultimately be a PF. Hello, Dali. 11-9-1.
Orlando – 11-10-1.
Philadelphia – Speights and some young kid out of Washington. Maybe they’ll eclipse Dalembert someday, but not today, and likely not this year. 12-10-1.
Phoenix – I like Robin Lopez. I like him a lot. But do you know how many double digit rebound games that he had last year? 4. Do you know how many double doubles that he’s had in his two years in the league? 4. Dalembert had last year? 22, including one animal style (20-20). Lopez has potential, but Dalembert gets the win. 13-10-1.
Portland – I like Oden, but he’s oft injured. I like Pryzbilla, but he got injured while rehabbing. That leaves Camby, I guess, who I also love, but he turned 36 in March. Healthy and/or younger, I might take any of these guys. But today (and amazingly), Dalembert might be the best of the bunch. I’m taking Dalembert for now, but this switches the moment Pryz or Oden get a clean bill of health. 14-10-1.
San Antonio – This is always a tough call. Tim Duncan insists that he is a power forward; he is always announced at the beginning of the game as the power forward, so I guess that makes him a power forward. And as such, I would rather have Dalembert than Antonio McDyess or Matt Bonner. 15-10-1.
Toronto – Andrea Bargnani is turning into a very nice player. He’s really a bit of a defensive liability, but he is such a good offensive player. In spite of the fact that the 325 3’s that he shot last year (yep, practically 4 per game, hitting 37%) would cause seizures among many of the StR faithful, I would take Andrea over Sammy. 15-11-1.
Utah – Okur is Bargnani Lite. He doesn’t do quite enough offensively to make up for his overall lack of rebounding. I’m taking Dalembert here. 16-11-1.
Washington – Fabricio Oberto was starting at center late for the Wizards, but he’s gone, so I guess it’s Javale McGee, unless they move Blatche over from power forward. But until they do, Dalembert > McGee. 17-11-1.
So there you have it. I come up with 11 guys that would be better for the Kings this year. As far as the future is concerned, Dalembert either will or won’t earn a new contract with the Kings. And the cost was an unhappy, overpriced forward that no one wanted to see play ahead of Greene and Casspi, and a square peg in a round hole that just seemed to always be on the outside looking in (I will be rooting for Spencer – hopefully Philly will be a better fit for him). I had pitched the idea in the threads over the past few months that perhaps the Kings could utilize their cap space and obtain Dalembert for the 2nd round pick. I think that I might like this deal better.
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I am somewhat new on here still
And I am looking for how to “Rec’d” your post.
Amazing writing and your prove every single point in all of them.
So how do I do that? I am sorry I suck at this haha. =[
You look under the post's text,
above the purple comments banner, and you click on the text that reads “Rec.”
Honestly, I am not being a smart-ass here, it’s just that you’re from Oakland and likely a Raider fan, so I knew I had to spell it out.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 17, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Being a Raider fan
I am used too it, so your fine my friend lol.
On sactownroyalty we prefer it to be...
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by RekeHAVOC_13 on Jun 17, 2010 11:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Low risk, high reward
Unless we’re high on Hawes and Noc, why on earth would we be against this trade? Get rid of Noc’s crappy contract. Get rid of the Brad Miller/Hawes era of softness in the paint. …all for a 1 year rental of Dalembert, one of the better Centers in this league.
Did he really need to?
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Rec'd for the following:
Where’s the beef reference.
The Orlando “argument.”
and,
For good writing.
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I would disagree on Oden
I know he is often injured but I would think he would be worth the risk.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 10:29 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
No way
He’ll spend more time on the bench then on the floor.
You guys do that, you’ll regret it.
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You could definitely be right
but I also don’t think of Dalembert as a long term solution so I would prefer to take the risk on Oden and see what happens. I know it’s not a clear cut choice but I like the kid.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
That's why I said you can use him as trade bait
Keep him for a little while, then see if you can trade him for another draft pick or something.
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It's a good argument and all, but it's not a long list of names repeated in 5 places.
You got outworked, son.
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by andy sims on Jun 17, 2010 10:33 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I’m sure Mike Murray will back with a list of college centers better Dali. Watch out Sac State might have one.
he actually did have a college center on that list if you look back at it.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
What if I post it again tomorrow?
And the next day? And the next day?
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Nope. You offered analysis.
That’s a point in Mike’s favor. He’s so confident in his choices he doesn’t even need any analysis.
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by chenp22 on Jun 18, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Question
When you were reviewing all these centers, did you think of their salaries and
and what a “good/fair” contract for Dali would be later on?
by getPGwithbounce on Jun 17, 2010 10:34 PM PDT reply actions
No, I tried to deal mostly with the present
On the surface, a guy like Hibbert (for example) would be superior than Dalembert when you factor in his salary. But if Hibbert never improves, he’s really not going to be worth much more than his current salary. So i just removed that conjecture from the “analysis.”
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This....
is what I was looking for. But do you think he’ll take that?
by getPGwithbounce on Jun 17, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it's a decent offer
At this point in his career, he’s probably looking for solid, long term deals that’ll take him to around 32 or 33 years old, as any other player would.
What the FUCK? why would you trade spencer hawes AND nocioni? did hawes suck that much? dalembert is waaaaaaaay overpaid and doesnt do nearly enough to help his team win any games; his offensive game is underdeveloped and he has a very crappy rebounding rate. What the hell does this trade do for sacramento? are they guna trade Jt aay too
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Better rebounding?
Shot-blocking? A big body?
Trade bait? Cap space?
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This
I'm not sitting in your car, or your living room with a gun pointed to your head telling you to listen to 1140. - Grant Napear
Not to mention
KHTK just lost 26.7 calls per day discussing how the Kings need to go out and get themselves a big rebounding, shot blocking center to control the paint.
cap space? the guy is making 13 million dolars with a 15% kicker in his contract
why not just sign tracy mcgrady?>
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I know
It’s his last year. That’s why I said trade bait.
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Still, im in utter shock that you petrie traded spencer hawes; i know he was the bpa on the board that year
but of all people dalembert?
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wow, what i meant to say is: why did petrie decided to trade his lotto pick on an overpaid bum?
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"Overpaid bum"
I don’t know which “overpaid bum” you’re talking about, but we traded him off already.
Dalembert
only has one year left on his contract, so they save money next offseason, and he fills a hole that we sorely needed filled.
P/40 R/40 B/40 A/40 TO/40 FG% FT% TS% PER
Dali 12.6 14.8 2.83 1.2 2.3 .545 .729 57.4 16.84
Hawes 15.2 9.2 1.74 3.3 2.76 .468 .689 50.7 13.82
these are stats from the 09-10 season. Dalembert is a far better rebounder and shot blocker, shoots a higher percentage, and turns the ball over less. We lost 2.6 points per game, and 2 assists. Overall, Dalembert easily outranked Hawes, and his strengths lie exactly where the Kings need the most help. When added to the benefit of getting rid of Nocioni, this trade was a no brainer.
Did you even read this article?
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No on him
He doesn’t know what a rebound is. Guy can shoot the 3 though.
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Exactly and he also doesnt know what "stay in front of your man" means, but he did a great job rebounding in the last two games of the wcf
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True
He’s too inconsistant also.
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Wow, I said that wrong.
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Well, it doesnt matter anyway, our cheap ass owner is probably dumping frye, amundson and stat in one offseason
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I dunno
With Amare not returning, you guys are going to need everything you have.
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No, sarver just a cheap bastard fuck
wait, does this mean the kings arent drafting cousins?
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Well, that sucks. Sounds like Stan of the Denver Nuggets
I’m sure the Kings are going to draft Cousins, but I don’t usually keep track of Kings news.
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sarver is worse imo, dumb mofo let go of joe johnson we could have had an f*cking dynasty
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We could of had D-Williams
I feel your pain.
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i dont understand, how?
our franchise are very alike; getting screwed by the “bigger” team, offensive powerhouses, dynasties
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Nash is a Hall of Famer, Stoudamire could be.
You had Shaq, Marion and a ton of other unbelievable talent in Phoenix. We’ve had, what? Mitch Richmond and Chris Webber? And not even at the same time!
You’’ll not find any shoulders to cry on here.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Barkley and KJ
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
What? joe johnson, the pre-micro fracture surgery stat, mvp nash, shawn marion
what else could you ask for?
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Cause that was pretty much the Suns team
I’d take Webber, Divac, Bibby, Peja, Christie, BJax along with the bench mob in a series over that Suns squad.
Barbosa too, i'd take that suns team over the lakers today
that team was okay defensively and you could rely on amare to rebound back then
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I know, damn them to hell
they ruiined quite possibly the best years of my life; i havent had so mcuh fun in one season.
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That reminds me
Why did the Kings let Bibby go?
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IMO
He didn’t fit with the roster any longer. The Kings could no longer out score opponents and Bibby was just a turnstile on defense. Was no longer a fit.
the guy averaged 40% fg's and 4.7 apg at the age of 29
the year a player normally exhibits his best
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He was something like a 22 million
dollar player..his 14 mill would have put the Kings 8 mill over the cap the next season.
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
although I think he was comparing Nuggets and Suns
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
No rings to show for it though
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Kings have only had 3 HOF talent play for us so far
Richmond, Webber, Divac
Bit early to tell for Tyreke.
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If he maintains his current course I agree
But things can happen unfortunately.
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hey, had peja not gotten injured i would have def. ecpected him to make the HOF
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Webber MIGHT make the Hall
The other two guys are out of luck, though.
Tyreke? I’ll let you know in 9-10 years.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
by NewEraKings on Jun 17, 2010 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Really? Webber is a shoo-in?
I haven’t really looked at it but I figured he would be a close call considering there were a few PFs in his age that were pretty darn good.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
sure but he was a true 20-10 guy who could pass the ball
The NBA where complacency happnes. The NBA where riggging happens. The NBA where Los Angeles wins for one reason. The NBA where you wont have to look further than the Lakers to see "champions". los Angeles where playing like shit during the regular season is rewarded for by championships.
If that's the standard than that's a crappy hall of fame
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions
why not? c-webb didnt win any rings but he
was always therfor his team
The NBA where complacency happnes. The NBA where riggging happens. The NBA where Los Angeles wins for one reason. The NBA where you wont have to look further than the Lakers to see "champions". los Angeles where playing like shit during the regular season is rewarded for by championships.
Yeah but if he was rocking the 20-10 his whole career
and there were 5 other PFs who were better and all won rings (not saying this is the case I’m just not going to research at the moment) then yeah I think he wouldn’t be deserving.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 18, 2010 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions
eerily enough, he reminds me a lot of amnare stoudemire
I just hope amare’s knee problems dont derail
The NBA where complacency happnes. The NBA where riggging happens. The NBA where Los Angeles wins for one reason. The NBA where you wont have to look further than the Lakers to see "champions". los Angeles where playing like shit during the regular season is rewarded for by championships.
Yeah
I don’t see an ounce of Webber in Amare. Very different players.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 18, 2010 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Interesting discussion
Webber is 47th in career points per game and 55th in rebounds per game and lower in a lot of other categories. There are retired guys ahead of him in both categories that aren’t in the Hall. Take a look at where he fits in the major NBA career leaders lists and make a case for him.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
by NewEraKings on Jun 18, 2010 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Webber had a great career but not sure if hall of fame worthy
During his time we had Barkley, Malone, Sheed, Duncan, Garnett, Gasol, Dirk, Jermaine O’Neil, and Brand. Heck Webber was beat out in total points by Otis Thorpe.
I personally see Webber as being the 4th to 6th best PF out of the ones who played during his time. I just don’t see that as being enough in my book.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 18, 2010 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions
If Webber makes it
Don’t you have to put Spencer Haywood in there, too, then? No, I didn’t think so.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
by NewEraKings on Jun 18, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
im not trying to find a shoulder to cry on; im used to crying on my own shoulder
you guys have had what it took to beat the lakers; had it not been for that 4th quarter we would be looking at a Kings dynasty rather than a kobe dynasty
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If Webber doesn’t blow out his knee it probably takes awhile longer for the Spurs to establish their dynasty.
I remember, 04, right?
lol, just reminded me; hedo turkolo has never beaten the lakers in his postseason career 0-4; notables? .4 and ’02
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I'm not cryin'
I’m very with the current players on my team…most of them at least.
Kings haven’t had much though. I think it’s because of that one team they call the Lakers?
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We havent had any trips to the finals in the last 18 years despite having the talents; que them damned spurs
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Section was pulling some Chasm there.
you might need a rope.
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sarchasm?
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Sadly no....lol
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his offensive game is underdeveloped and he has a very crappy rebounding rate.
Sorry, you lose the argument.
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Excellent Post
I don’t comment much on here but I love this post, especially after reading the comments bashing Dalembert earlier in the day in other threads.
Dalembert’s 4 more rebounds and 1 more block per game will offset the 2 extra points Hawes would give us, plus Dalembert isn’t going to allow guys to score at will. Not to mention the salary benefits of getting Noce outta here and not having to extend Hawes after this season based on his “potential.”
If all goes well, we have Dalembert’s rights and will be able to offer him a contract based on the new CBA that will be in place, which will surely be less than what he is making now. If the plan backfires, we can dump him at the deadline or have him come off the books at the end of the season, clearing even more cap room.
by blako on Jun 17, 2010 10:42 PM PDT reply actions 8 recs
Thanks
I haven’t always been told that.
It’s just really refreshing to see the FO making moves to attempt to make this team better rather than the salary dumps and the taking on of “flexible” contracts we have seen over the previous season . The move for Landry and now Dalembert show that the Maloofs mean it when they say that want to win, and I like it. We still have a long way to go but it’s very encouraging.
by blako on Jun 17, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well put blako
I agree, there is movement toward some serious improvement instead of the constant sloughing of skill+contracts. While this is an expiring it still fills a need.
by DirtyDribblers on Jun 17, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Agee on the part that there seems to be a serious effort to making the team better.
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-John Wooden
I'm with Andy in this regard.
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Way to dodge saying "This"
but in the end really only saying “This”
...
by prowseinthehouse on Jun 17, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
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by lietothegirls on Jun 17, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Very well done Section
Another thing you can look at too, is how many centers you’d rather have than Spencer Hawes, because that matters too. And if you agree that Dalembert is better than Hawes, as I do, then that automatically adds 11 losses to Spencer.
So Spencer is starting at 0-11-0.
Boston – I would take Perkins over Spencer as of now. 0-12-0
Cleveland – Varejao is a very nice defensive player and young too. He’s not that great of a shot blocker, but he’s an elite player at drawing charges, which is more effective than blocking shots defensively. His lack off offense is worrisome so I’ll call this a push. 0-12-1.
Dallas – I’d rather have Spencer than Eric Dampier. 1-12-1.
Denver – Nene really needs to have a big center playing next to him so he can slide over to PF, but he plays C, and I’d rather have him than Spencer. 1-13-1.
Detroit – Like you said, they have no Center. No wonder they want the #5 pick. 2-13-1.
Golden State – Last year I would have wanted Biedrins more, but this year, I’m wary of his injury history and long contract. I’ll take Spencer. 3-13-1.
Indiana – Roy Hibbert is currently an overrated stiff, and I would take Spencer over him in a heartbeat. 4-13-1.
Miami – 5-13-1.
New York – 6-13-1. These last two are obvious as neither team really has a good center.
Oklahoma City – Nenad Krstic is a worse shooting, rebounding, passing Spencer Hawes. I take Spencer. 7-13-1.
Sacramento – Spencer is not better than Dalembert, especially not with regards to defense and rebounding, the Kings two biggest weaknesses in their frontcourt. 7-14-1.
Phoenix – I’d take Spence over Channing Frye, but he lost his starting job to Robin Lopez, and I’d rather have Lopez than Spencer. 7-15-1.
Portland – This ones tough because of Portland’s injuries. I’d probably take the risk with Oden. Camby is better but how much longer can he really play? I’m gonna call this a push. 7-15-2.
San Antonio – I would rather have Spencer Hawes than Matt Bonner or McDyess. 8-15-2.
Utah – Mehmet Okur is very underrated defensively, and his rebounding isn’t too bad either. He’s better than Spencer. 8-16-2.
Washington – McGee is a better fit for Sacramento than Washington. 8-17-2
Minnesota – Spencer Hawes > Darko Milicic. Nuff said. 9-17-2
Charlotte – I really don’t like Chandler’s injury history, but he’d fit well in Sacramento and only has a year left. Advantage Tyson. 9-18-2.
So in my opinion, you upgraded from a Center you would rather have 18 guys than, to a center you would rather have 11 guys than. That’s pretty significant in my mind.
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by Aykis16 on Jun 17, 2010 10:49 PM PDT reply actions 9 recs
Nice addition
I would take Camby over Spencer in a heartbeat though. Not even close. I actually think it is close between him and Dali on who I would pick. I just can’t ignore Camby’s defensive prowess.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
I'm not the biggest Camby fan to be honest.
Feel like alot of his defensive prowless is just based on weakside defense; however, yeah the rebounding is pretty sweat.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
The being on the wrong side of 35 is a strike against Camby in my opinion.
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If we were a playoff team I'd be with you
but we’re not.
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the guy played for the clippers
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Spencer's ceiling is a disgruntled Mehmet Okur...
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Gee...
Look what happened to the last Haitian NBA player on the Kings that could block shots.
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by White Brocklate on Jun 17, 2010 10:52 PM PDT reply actions
As I posted in response to "Mike Murray"
What really matters is he’s better than Hawes. He’s an upgrade. And since we have a lot of scorers and shooters and need help on D and the boards, he’s a decent fit.
I disagree with some of your choices, and I’m probably not alone. I think Perkins, Chandler, Haywood, Nene, Robin Lopez, Pryzbilla-Oden and Okur are all better than Dalembert. Krstic I view as a push. I might have missed one or two.
I do think the criticism of his offensive abilities and his ability to defend the pick and roll are probably warranted. Spencer couldn’t defend the pick and roll, either. Tyreke is not too hot at it, either. Definitely a place to improve on.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
It's fun to have a passing, shooting center
But that fun does not support reality: the highest percentage shot is close to the rim. If there is not a defensive presence in the middle, the team is screwed.
All hail a true C (as opposed to NAC or CwannabeSG)!!
by DirtyDribblers on Jun 17, 2010 11:04 PM PDT reply actions
The defense will be better
but he’s only one man. he’s no Dwight Howard.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
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Agreed.
I think this will be a big change for us. I have a tough time remembering back to when opponents didn’t get freebies in the paint…in recent years our interior D was porous at best.
Dalembert’s production dropped off since a couple seasons ago but I like having a defensive-minded player out there, especially at the 5.
by DirtyDribblers on Jun 17, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
But yes...only 1 man
I just see the changes toward the end of the year (Omri, Greene, Evans) and that movement toward defense. I am excited about it.
by DirtyDribblers on Jun 17, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I am too
He can be inconsistant at times, but he brings a defensive mind you were missing for the past few years. Let’s see how this upcoming season goes.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
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I don't know what you're talking about
(Ah, the power of editing capabilities)
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I'm 100% 50-50 either way.
Bold Prediction: Whoever we pick 5th this year will have a better NBA season than whoever was picked 5th last year.
The oddest thing about the original argument
was that he was just listing people that could never be obtained in a trade for Noc and Hawes.
That’s like saying JT was a bad draft pick because Derrik Rose has more potential. He was never available douche bag!
by sdfd on Jun 17, 2010 11:41 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
to be fair
It all started in a thread where he said Dalembert is a bottom 5 starting Center in the league and then I asked him to name the 25 starters who were better. He probably should have kept it in that one fan shot comment page though. If he were just answering my question, I guess it would make some sense (although alot of PFs on the list but oh well)
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 17, 2010 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Excellent work
and rec’d
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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You kill me Section.
You win another Juan, Samuel. 6-2-1.

Subtle but hilarious.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
I got big chuckle out of that as well...
…but I’m not sure how many posters remember Juan (I’m rockin the Jerry Curl) Samuel
Mulva?
Then the X-Files being, looking like some kind of blue-green Jackie Chan with Isabella Rossellini lips and breath that reeked of vanilla Chig Champa,
did a slow-mo Matrix descent out of the butt end of the banana vessel and hovered above my bug-eyes, my gaping jaw, and my sweaty L. Ron Hubbard upper lip and all I could think was: "I hope Uncle Martin here doesn't notice that I pissed my f***in' pants."
I think it's important to note that this was going to be Spencer's last year on his rookie contract
GP would have to decide whether or not to pay him after the season. Hawes may have proved his worth over the course of the next season or he may not have. It’s really difficult to judge a 21 year old center, and is one of the reasons I don’t like the one and done rule.
If you decide to keep him, you likely overpay in the expectation that he will live up to the billing. If you let him walk you’ve got nothing to show for it and perhaps still holding Noc’s contract.
Dalembert, however is a known quantity. You know what your going to get from him and how much that will be worth (incidentally it’s not what he’s making this year).
Even if this turns out to be a Dali rental, I still like the deal.
Then the X-Files being, looking like some kind of blue-green Jackie Chan with Isabella Rossellini lips and breath that reeked of vanilla Chig Champa,
did a slow-mo Matrix descent out of the butt end of the banana vessel and hovered above my bug-eyes, my gaping jaw, and my sweaty L. Ron Hubbard upper lip and all I could think was: "I hope Uncle Martin here doesn't notice that I pissed my f***in' pants."
speaking of Dalembert being better than Kristic
Why didn’t the Thunder ever go after Dalembert? I don’t know what Cornstein was talking about, but I was his agent and could “hand pick” what team he goes to, why wouldn’t it have been the Thunder?? With him, they really could have really made some noise in the playoffs.
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
It would have made that last tip in a little harder for sure.
I think they could have if they didn’t take the salary dump for Maynor. And in the long run, the Maynor move is probably the wiser one.
Question: Does this trade make it more likely that Petrie is going to draft Monroe
either with the 5th pick or by moving down to, say, 7th? In trading away Spencer Hawes, did he just purposely remove the player which has an almost identical skill set to Monroe and quickly remedy the need for a low-post defensive presence (one of the main arguments/reasons for drafting Cousins/Favors)? I honestly have no idea what Petrie is thinking of right now, but I hope he still picks a big man with notable defense in the draft (Cousins/Favors).
I don't think that this trade changes draft strategy one bit
The Kings will still draft the best player that they can get their hands on, regardless of position, in my opinion.
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I'm with you on this one. I don't think it will change what the Kings do.
It could change Philadelphia’s pick, taking a big man off the board. If they chose Favors or Cousins over Turner, that could after the number five spot.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
^could affect the number five spot.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
Don't you mean the best Big player available, or is Amick not to be believed?
Didn’t he say Cousins 1 and Monroe 2. And, I still feel, JR pretty much hinted a big was in our future.
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wouldve been perfect for spence but with D.C. i dont see his plight getting any better.
huh? wha?

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