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2010 NBA DRAFT – DALT99 SYSTEM PLAYER RANKINGS

 

Better late then never eh? Man, it’s been a roller coaster of a ride for me lately so I am sorry about the long delay in getting these scores out.

 

OK, well this draft class is dominated by the bigs it seems. Some really good ones and some decent back-up types that could find a long life in the NBA. Evan Turner may be the only true star wing player and Wall, the only stud point guard. The Kings need a rebounding, low-post scoring big man and that guy is Cousins. I don’t know if Petrie will take a chance on him but at 5th, I don’t see a whole lot of solid guys that are sure stars. Cousins *could* be that star player someday.

 

My scoring system ranks players from 50-105. It’s based on a ton of factors, mostly statistical, and is then compared to just about EVERY other player ever to come out of college and by those comparisons of how well those players fared in the NBA, the score is set. Each season is different, with different schools being better than last year and different divisions being stronger or weaker than last year. I have to incorporate all of that into the scoring.

 

If you need a reminder of what each score represents and more about the details of my system, here is last year’s post for the 2009 draft.

 

Without further ado (and ramblings), here are the scores for the 2010 draft, and some of my findings for the top draft choices.

Star-divide

                                             2010 NBA Draft Rankings w/Scores

Player-Class

Team/Country

Pos.

Score

DeMarcus Cousins-F

Kentucky

FC

98.5

John Wall-F

Kentucky

PG

97

Evan Turner-J

Ohio State

SF

96.5

Derrick Favors-F

Georgia Tech

FC

93

Greg Monroe-So

Georgetown

FC

92

Ed Davis-So

North Carolina

FC

91.5

Wesley Johnson-J

Syracuse

SF

91

Al-Farouq Aminu-So

Wake Forest

F

90.5

Damion James-Se

Texas

F

90.5

James Anderson-J

Oklahoma State

GF

90.5

Xavier Henry-F

Kansas

GF

90.5

Cole Aldrich-J

Kansas

C

89.5

Eric Bledsoe-F

Kentucky

(PG)

89.5

Jordan Crawford-So

Xavier

G

89.5

Elliot Williams-So

Memphis

G

88.5

Courtney Fortson-So

Arkansas

PG

88.5

Dexter Pittman-Se

Texas

C

88.5

Hassan Whiteside-F

Marshall

C

88

Landry Fields-Se

Stanford

SF

88

Donatas Motiejunas-E (F)*

Italy

FC

87

Patrick Patterson-(J)

Kentucky

PF

87

J.P. Prince-Se

Tennessee

GF

87

Brian Zoubek-Se

Duke

C

87

Craig Brackins-(J)

Iowa State

PF

86.5

Dominique Jones-J

South Florida

G

86.5

Willie Warren-So

Oklahoma

PG

86.5

Omar Samhan-Se

Saint Mary's

C

86

Greivis Vasquez-Se

Maryland

G

86

Luke Babbitt-So

Nevada

F

86

Tibo Pleiss-E (So)

Germany

C

86

Nemanja Bjelica-E

Serbia

F

86

Miroslav Raduljica-E (Se)

Serbia

C

85.5

Larry Sanders-J

VCU

FC

85.5

Tyler Smith-(Se)

Tennessee

SF

85.5

Manny Harris-J

Michigan

G

85.5

Tiny (Keith) Gallon-F

Oklahoma

PF

85.5

Darington Hobson-J

New Mexico

SF

85.5

Jerome Randle-(Se)

California

PG

84.5

Solomon Alabi-So

Florida State

C

84.5

Samardo Samuels-So

Louisville

PF

84.5

Avery Bradley-F

Texas

PG

84

Marqus Blakely-Se

Vermont

F

84

Jerome Dyson-Se

Connecticut

G

83.5

Dwayne Collins-Se

Miami (FL)

PF

83.5

Sylven Landesberg-So

Virginia

SG

83

Aubrey Coleman-Se

Houston

G

83

Derrick Caracter-J

UTEP

PF

83

Ekpe Udoh-J

Baylor

FC

82.5

Kevin Seraphin-E (So)

France

FC

82.5

Paul George-So

Fresno State

SF

82.5

Armon Johnson-J

Nevada

PG

82.5

Luke Harangody-(Se)

Notre Dame

PF

82.5

A.J. Ogilvy-J

Vanderbilt

C

82.5

Mikhail Torrance-Se

Alabama

PG

82.5

Lazar Hayward-Se

Marquette

SF

82

Gani Lawal-J

Georgia Tech

PF

81.5

Quincy Pondexter-Se

Washington

SF

81.5

Trevor Booker-Se

Clemson

PF

81.5

Chris Singletary-Se

Kent State

SG

81.5

Daniel Orton-F

Kentucky

C

81.5

Gordon Hayward-(So)

Butler

SF

81

Michael Washington-(Se)

Arkansas

FC

81

Charles Garcia-J

Seattle

PF

81

Alexey Shved-E (J)

Russia

PG

81

Scottie Reynolds-Se

Villanova

PG

81

Devin Ebanks-So

West Virginia

F

80.5

Mac Koshwal-J

DePaul

FC

80.5

Talor Battle-(J)

Penn State

G

80

Jeremy Lin-(Se)

Harvard

SG

80

Jarvis Varnado-Se

Mississippi State

FC

79

Jordan Eglseder-Se

Northern Iowa

C

79

Andy Rautins-Se

Syracuse

PG

79

Jon Scheyer-Se

Duke

PG

78.5

Jeremy Wise-Se

Southern Miss

PG

78.5

Artsiom Parakhouski-Se

Radford

C

78

Bryan Davis-Se

Texas A&M

PF

78

Raymar Morgan-Se

Michigan State

F

78

Jerome Jordan-Se

Tulsa

C

78

Sherron Collins-(Se)

Kansas

PG

77.5

Da'Sean Butler-Se

West Virginia

SF

77.5

Wayne Chism-(Se)

Tennessee

PF

77

Ryan Thompson-(Se)

Rider

GF

77

Tweety Carter-Se

Baylor

PG

76

Ben Uzoh-Se

Tulsa

PG

76

Marquis Gilstrap-Se

Iowa State

F

75

Tommy Mason-Griffin-F

Oklahoma

PG

74.5

Rodney Green-Se

La Salle

G

74.5

Matt Bouldin-Se

Gonzaga

PG

74.5

Stanley Robinson-Se

Connecticut

F

73.5

Elijah Millsap-J

UAB

GF

72.5

Deon Thompson-Se

North Carolina

PF

72

Terrico White-(So)

Mississippi

SG

70

Tasmin Mitchell-(Se)

LSU

F

69.5

Marquez Haynes-Se

Texas-Arlington

G

69.5

Robin Benzing-E (So)

Germany

SF

69

Denis Clemente-Se

Kansas State

PG

69

Bobby Maze-Se

Tennessee

PG

68.5

Tyler Wilkerson-Se

Marshall

F

68.5

Devan Downey-Se

South Carolina

PG

67

Lucas Hargrove-Se

Auburn

SF

67

Daniel Emerson-Se

Mercer

PF

67

Hamady Ndiaye-Se

Rutgers

C

67

Edwin Ubiles-Se

Siena

GF

66

Gavin Edwards-Se

Connecticut

FC

65.5

Deilvez Yearby-Se

IPFW

F

65.5

Donald Sloan-Se

Texas A&M

G

65

Patrick Christopher-Se

California

SG

64

Latavious Williams-DL

Tulsa 66ers

PF

64

DeShawn Sims-Se

Michigan

PF

63.5

Kyle Gibson-Se

Louisiana Tech

SG

63

Pablo Aguilar-E (J)

Spain

F

62.5

Nic Wise-(Se)

Arizona

PG

62.5

Magnum Rolle-Se

Louisiana Tech

FC

62

A.J. Slaughter-Se

West. Kentucky

PG

61.5

Chas McFarland-(Se)

Wake Forest

C

60

 

*this player is not entered in the 2010 draft

 

DeMarcus Cousins

My opinions: Big and strong with quicker feet and better agility than many assume when watching him. Very strong post game that is already near NBA level. Great touch on his short and midrange jump shot. He needs to know when to pass as he will usually try and shoot the ball almost every time he touches it. I won’t go into the laziness or poor work ethic stuff since it’s been talked about a lot already but even with his high percentage of body fat, he is very fluid on the court. He still does show a fire when he wants to and when he was focused, was one of the most dominant NCAA big men in a while in just his freshman season. Honestly, talent-wise if he falls past #4, I would be surprised.

 

Statistically speaking: A rebounding average of 16.7 per 40 minutes is astounding and is the highest per-minute rebounding average for all players in this draft class, putting him in league with Hakeem Olajuwon, Ralph Sampson and Xavier McDaniel. His 27 points per 40 minutes places him 9th in scoring per minute overall and 4th for all big men behind Charles Garcia of Seattle, Luke Harangody of Notre Dame and Omar Samhan of St. Mary’s..12.0 FT attempts per 40 minutes. Twelve. That is a TON. Kevin Martin, a free throw drawing machine in college (and NBA) averaged 12.0 FTA per 40, in his JUNIOR year. Only 8.1 in his freshman. 12.0 per game is the highest by far among all players in this draft class so you know he is a beast down low. His FG% of 56.5, while above average is nothing special considering the over 60% shooting of former and current all-stars such as Hakeem Olajuwon, Shaquille O’Neal and Carlos Boozer. He does have an impressive steal rate for a freshman big man of 1.7 steals per 40 which shows his good anticipation and better than you expect agility and IQ. He has a good block rate of 3 per game/40 but for a college center it’s not overly impressive. He does tend to foul way too much (5.4 per 40) which could be partly why he gets more steals and blocks, and while not badly turnover prone, is not the most careful with the ball either.

 

John Wall

My opinions: One of the more athletic point guards in college. Seems to have a high basketball IQ and is one of the best passers in the NCAA. Very good ball handler and extremely fast with the dribble. I can't say much more that hasn't been said. Should be a stud.

 

Statistically speaking: Very high assist average of 7.5 per 40 which ranks him 4th per minute among all point guards in this draft class and 1st among all the big college guards. For a freshman, that is saying something even though this is a very weak point guard class besides Wall. Good (but not great) rebounding average of near 5 per game which shows mostly his good size, but also his basketball IQ and hard work. 7.2 FT attempts per 40 is a very solid number for a freshman point guard. Good but not spectacular 2.0 steals per 40. 4.6 turnovers is too high. Average FT and 3-pt shooter at 75.4% and 32.5% respectively.

 

Evan Turner

My opinions: Extremely solid player. He can do it on both ends of the court and plays smarter than almost every player on the court. Similar to Brandon Roy in his court awareness and overall offensive skills. May be a better defender than Roy but that’s hard to say at this point. Offensively creative and intelligent, he seems to be able to run a team from the small forward position. Not overly fast, but economical and smart with his moves. I don’t know if he will become a superstar, but he should be a very solid all-around wing player in the NBA.

 

Statistically speaking: The first thing that jumps off the page is his assist total. Six per game (6.7/40 minutes) is fantastic for a 6’7” wing player in college but he also rebounds at a high rate (9.2 pg) and scores very well at over 22 points per 40. He can pull up off the dribble or drive to the basket, though you won’t see him dunking over big men very often. Like K-mart, he usually finishes below the rim, but unlike Martin, he is not nearly adept at drawing fouls (6.5 FTA per 40). One of the things I am most impressed with is his above average FG shooting. Not a big time 3-pt shooter (36% with less than 2 attempts per game), he shoots 52% from the field on over 16 shots per full game. Pretty much exactly like Brandon Roy did in his last year in college. His steal rate is good but not spectacular. About the only real negative is that he turns the ball over way too much. His 1.36 A/TO ratio is not bad for most small forwards in college but you would like it to be a bit higher for a player with his high number of assists.

 

Derrick Favors

My opinions: Very athletic guy. He is effective in and around the basket but still has a way to go outside of 15 feet shooting jumpers. Seems to not have too many flaws except for not having that deeper outside shot. He has great hands and superb touch around the rim. Doesn’t have much of an offensive post up game or a game off the dribble. Likes to catch and finish or score off offensive rebounds. Needs to learn to create his own shots.

 

Statistically speaking: 61.1% FG shooter on 11.8 shots per 40 shows that he is very efficient with his offensive game and knows what he can and can’t do. Solid in many numbers for a freshman, including rebounds (12.2/40), points (18/40), blocks (3/40) and steals (1.3/40). Slightly higher than average turnover rate is not good but it’s easy to overlook since he is a freshman and high turnovers are not uncommon. Fantastic 7’4” wingspan with a 9’2” standing reach. Only draws 5.5 free throw attempts per 40 minutes played which shows that he is not one to draw double teams or create his own offense.

 

Greg Monroe

My opinions: Wow. Spencer Hawes can pass but Greg Monroe can distribute. This guy is a fantastic passer. Maybe one of the best passing big men since Vlade Divac. No, he’s not on that level yet, but he is only 20 years old and already shows flashes of brilliance. He is a Spencer Hawes that can pass AND rebound better. Very high basketball IQ. He can run a system from the high post or low post. Left-handed player. Period. He really needs to learn that he has a second hand attached to his body. He finishes at the rim left-handed, drives the ball left-handed and passes the ball almost exclusively with his left hand. Defensively he has a lot of room to improve. He has decent fundamentals but can be a bit slow and flat footed in both man-on-man defense and help defense. He seems to rest and save energy at times on defense. Uses his intellect to defend more than his athletic skills. He is also very good in the open floor, both running to get the pass or even running the break in spots and getting the assist. I actually compare him a bit to the LakersLamar Odom, who is also a lefty.

 

Statistically speaking: 4.4 assists per 40 minutes. For a center? Wow. He does happen to be in a college offense that built perfectly for his game as they use him for his passing and decision making. 11.2 rebounds per 40 is good but nothing spectacular, especially at the college level.18.8 ppg/40 is also good but not great. As a young sophomore (he just turned 20 in June), he has a LOT of room to improve on those skills. His steal average of 1.4 is very good for a center and he doesn’t commit a lot of fouls at only 3 per 40 minutes of action. That foul rate may coincide some with his slightly below average block average of 1.75/40 and lack of consistent energy on defense. In the NBA, if he is used as a backup to come in and be more aggressive, he could average around 2 blocks per game. 7.2 FT attempts per game shows that he is aggressive in the right spots but is not a low post beast by any means.

 

Wesley Johnson

My opinions: Loooong. Arms, legs and shot. He can bust from deep AND dunk from near the free throw line. Very athletic small forward that should be a solid pro. Can create his own shot but is probably not going to be known as a “go-to” guy as he is mainly a spot up shooter. His idea of creating is taking a dribble in or to the side and then pulling up for a shot. Great leaper and has fantastic hands and timing near the rim. Alley-oops are his specialty. I see him being one of two players: a better, more versatile Rudy Gay…. or Rudy Gay.

 

Statistically speaking: For a junior 6’7” small forward, his main stats (assists, rebounds and points) are not overly impressive at 2.5, 9.7 and 18.9 per 40 minutes respectively but because of his monstrous 7’1” wingspan, he grabs a lot of rebounds for his size. Also because of that wingspan, he excels in block shots at 2.1 per 40. He has an above average steal rate for a 6’7” junior small forward at 1.9 per 40. His FG% of 50.2 and FT% of 77.2 are average. He is, however a very good 3-pt shooter at 41.5% while attempting 4 shots per 40 minutes (30% of his total FG attempts). At 22 years old, he is not as young as some of his peers such as Aminu, Turner and Xavier Henry. Only 4.7 FT attempts per 40 minutes of play statistically demonstrates just how little offense he likes to create for himself.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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YESSS!

Put me on the Cousins bandwagon.

BTW, you and Hollinger must be looking at similar stats. You guys both loved Lawson last year and Cousins this year.

by sdfd on Jun 21, 2010 2:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Reke'd

Thanks for the ton of work that must have gone in to this Dalt.

Was interested to see the top seven are near consensus top ten picks (last year that wasn’t the case). And how far down players like Babbitt and Hayward are… sure hope Ziller doesn’t win the t-shirt this year.

by RaboKarabekian on Jun 21, 2010 2:22 AM PDT reply actions  

THE NEW DALT RANKINGS ARE HERE! THE NEW DALT RANKINGS ARE HERE!

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Thanks as always for the info Dalt…it appears you’ve got Udoh and Heyward ranked pretty low on your list (48 and 61 respectively). Can you throw out a quick and dirty analysis on these guys? Also, what’s the scoop on Courtney Fortson? He’s the highest ranking PG outside of Wall and Bledsoe (your 16th rated player overall), but I’m not familiar with him.

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by otis29 on Jun 21, 2010 6:06 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Hayward and Fortson

Hayward really isn’t a bad looking player, but when compared to players such as Wesley Johnson, Evan Turner and even Landry Fields, he doesn’t stack up statistically. Each of those three players outscore him, outrebound him and dish out more assists per 40 minutes. Gordon’s FG% is a bit below average at 46.4%.

Courtney Fortson is a bit more difficult to defend. At 22 years of age, he is an old sophomore so that really hurts his chances of reaching his potential. I am not as high on him personally as my system is but he is fearless (9.1 FTA per 40 mins) and can dish out a good assist rate (6.8) while also finding time to shoot the ball nearly 18 times a game per 40. In the NBA, his size is going to be a major problem but if he is given time, he could come around. He needs to SERIOUSLY work on his turnover rate and his FG% however so he is actually a longshot to reach his potential.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on Jun 21, 2010 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

This

Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru

by Kfan in Korea on Jun 21, 2010 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Shit happens

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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 21, 2010 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Peat.

I want to thank my psychiatrist. - Ron Artest, June 17, 2010, after winning NBA Championship.

Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
- John Wooden

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jun 21, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

That

Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru

by Kfan in Korea on Jun 21, 2010 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't let it happen again.

Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru

by Kfan in Korea on Jun 21, 2010 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Repeat.

I want to thank my psychiatrist. - Ron Artest, June 17, 2010, after winning NBA Championship.

Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
- John Wooden

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jun 21, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

One thing that jumps out for me: your statistical system does not love Udoh. I really don’t know the college game well, but I see him high on others’ mocks. Do you have any guess as to why your system doesn’t like him?

by twasserm on Jun 21, 2010 6:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Comparisons

Let’s take a look at Udoh (who’s a junior) compared to Joakim Noah who scored a 93 when he came out of college in his junior year:
Udoh per 40 minutes: 3.1 assists, 11.1 rebounds, 15.8 points/12.3 shots, 49% FG, 68.5% FT, 0.9 steals, 4.2 blocks, 5.1 FTA.
Noah per 40 minutes: 3.6 assists, 13.0 rebounds, 18.5 points/11 shots, 60.5% FG, 66.3% FT, 1.7 steals, 2.8 blocks, 7.7 FTA.

One of the most important stats for a big man in college is FG%. Under 50% is very poor especially for only taking 12.3 shots per 40 minutes and for not being considered an outside shooting threat. His rebounding is good but not near high enough to be considered a top prospect in that area. His blocks, defense and length are what makes him a very intriguing player to GMs but while that may be a good fit for certain teams, I don’t know if he has the overall package to be worth a top 10 pick.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on Jun 21, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree, solid team guy but not a star and probably not even a starter,

Seems like good people though and he’s a hard worker so you never know.

Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.

PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.

by jjham15 on Jun 21, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the thoughts,

and it’s interesting that FG% is such an important factor. But while you say, “I don’t know if he has the overall package to be worth a top 10 pick”, your list shows him coming in at #48. That’s what surprised me— that your system shows him as a mid to late second rounder. Though a remarkable number of mid-first round bigs bust, and your system may be giving us a clue that he might be one of those this year…

by twasserm on Jun 21, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Potential

Just remember that my system is set to predict the “potential” of each player. With that said, Udoh hasn’t statistically shown that his potential is higher than an 82.5 or a solid bench player. An 82.5 can still be a valuable player, but rarely becomes a stud ala Mutombo or Mourning.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on Jun 21, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cousins is a MAN amongst boys.

I’m confident he’s there and the Kings pick him at 5, much the same way I was confident that Tyreke would be there at 4(there was doubt in some locations due to Memphis at 2) and picked by the Kings.

Cousins
Landry
Greene
Garcia
Evans

That’s a nice starting 5.

by Smills9133 on Jun 21, 2010 7:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Greene over Casspi?

Interesting…

Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!

by Shizzo on Jun 21, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thats not the boat I'm in

but some think so

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jun 21, 2010 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why

would Garcia start over Beno in the backcourt? Beno and Evans were a great pairing last year and I don’t think Garcia will come back from injury to replace him.

by DustyG on Jun 22, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

So if we draft Johnson

We can get Rudy Gay without paying for Rudy Gay? Count me in, particularly if it ends up being a choice between Johnson and Monroe. Both guys sound intriguing, though; it looks like we will get a good player in any case.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Jun 21, 2010 7:15 AM PDT reply actions  

This is no surprise about Cousins being at the top of the list, since he was ranked highest in PER.

I do feel better about Monroe, if we end up getting him.

I want to thank my psychiatrist. - Ron Artest, June 17, 2010, after winning NBA Championship.

Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
- John Wooden

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jun 21, 2010 8:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks Dalt, this is great.

What are your thoughts on Johnson being able to play SG in the NBA? More specifically, what are your thoughts on him playing next to ’Reke in our backcourt? Do you think he could defend opposing guards?

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 21, 2010 8:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Yes

Yes and yes. Wesley looks like a good player. He could become a Kevin Martin type shooter but better inside and finishing at the rim. He won’t be able to draw fouls like K-Mart but Johnson looks to be a very good shooter and can dunk over anybody.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on Jun 21, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great Info Dalt

what is the draft w/o your player rankings? Reke’d

"Oh boy! If you don't like that you don't like Kings basketball"-Peaches

by AkaP on Jun 21, 2010 8:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Awesome as always

Thanks for taking the time.

"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"

Sammyp831.

by SavageBeast on Jun 21, 2010 9:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Brilliant and thanks!

I’m about to review the previous years’ analysis. I love it

by ZenBaller on Jun 21, 2010 9:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Btw, the 4.0 RealGM Mock is out and I love the comment on the Kings:

“The Kings are capable of being scary good as quickly as 11-12 with Tyreke Evans and Cousins as the centerpieces and excellent complementary pieces in Carl Landry and Omri Casspi.” (+ Shock).

link

by ZenBaller on Jun 21, 2010 9:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Interesting

I noticed that they claim the Pacers are shopping #10 for a PG.

Would you trade Beno for #10? Not as easy an answer as it would have been last year IMO.

Great Job Dalt!

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jun 21, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I keep seeing that rumor with the Pacers

If i were them, I would just use it and grab Avery Bradley.

by kingsfan300 on Jun 21, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

They've thrown a ton of $$ on the PG position the last few years.

Have they given up on AJ Price – or do they see him as back-up?

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jun 21, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just looked him

I’m guessing he’s just gonna be back-up, which isn’t bad considering where he was drafted (52, according to his Wiki page). But it also looks like he received knee surgery that requires being out of commission 4-6 months; also factor in that they may not resign Earl Watson, so they’re pretty desperate for a PG.

I would still just bank on Avery Bradley though.

by kingsfan300 on Jun 21, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes

Beno’s really done well the last year, but I just don’t see him as the 2 guard on a contending team.

by TheFifthMookie on Jun 21, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

right!

he’ll be the PG on our contending team!!

by DustyG on Jun 22, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is a reverse rumor...

Teams are looking to move up and offering young points to do so. Rumors say that Collison or Lawson could be had for the 10th pick. So now people are reporting that Indiana is looking for a PG or trading out. Lots of interest in Ed Davis at #10 is what I have read.

Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.

PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.

by jjham15 on Jun 21, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's amazing how many young point guards there are in the league

I was a little confused with Kahn last year treating his draft picks like assets when there are so many of them flooding the market (although I am assuming he was going for a Flynn and Tyreke combo to both start in his backcourt).

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 21, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for posting

I would enjoy being scary good again!

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by lodisacfan on Jun 21, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

What does the field of past 96+ players look like?

Where do Cousins, Wall and Turner sit in comparison to previous top prospects in your system?

by nobodyinparticular on Jun 21, 2010 10:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Apart from 2009 I mean

Since I’m not THAT lazy that I am I unable to follow the link to see last year’s post.

by nobodyinparticular on Jun 21, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well this just confirms it

I want Cousins and we’re not going to get him.

Thanks for the info Dalt. I love Jordan Crawford even more at 33 now, but again, I think he makes that Beaubois leap into the early 20s on Thursday.

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by Aykis16 on Jun 21, 2010 10:41 AM PDT reply actions  

The Kings better hope Crawford doesn't.

He does have the Roddy B athleticism, and would be a steal at pick no 33. Another Marcus Thornton, but with a bit more upside.

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by tomkanti on Jun 21, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's my favorite for 33

But I doubt he’s there.

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by Aykis16 on Jun 21, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed on Crawford

I was hoping for Crawford at 33 two weeks ago, but now I think he’ll go in the first round.Why would he get passed over by the Heat, Celts, Nets, Magic?

by basketball galactica on Jun 21, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I see johnson as a shawn marion type player because of his elite athletic skills

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by Bkj on Jun 21, 2010 10:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Really excellent and thorough work, Dalt.

Thanks so much for all of the effort you put into that. I’d say it’s professional-level work, but most of the so-called professional websites don’t appear to have put nearly as much thought into their analyses.

Well done, and thank you again.

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by andy sims on Jun 21, 2010 10:57 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Dominique Jones at #33 ?

GP certainly seems to like him and this shows him as mid 1st round talent

by Watty4ever on Jun 21, 2010 11:34 AM PDT reply actions  

mark my words

Dominique Jones will be the steal of this draft. (for late 1st rounders-early 2nd rounders)

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by Surprise Team on Jun 21, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow. That must have been tons of work.

Really interesting. I’m puzzled that Avery Bradley is so low on your rankings. I wonder why that is.

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by RikSmits on Jun 21, 2010 12:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Shown only youth

Really, his best asset so far is that he is young. His assists, rebounds, points, FG%, points per shot, FTA per game and steal rate are all below par to be a top prospect but because he is a young freshman, his stats are not terrible when compared to all other freshman point guards in history.

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by dalt99 on Jun 21, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Question (I'm new)

Do you have scores for past players, like Derrick Coleman?
How does Cousins compare to Coleman based on your system?

by getPGwithbounce on Jun 21, 2010 12:47 PM PDT reply actions  

I Do

I have scores for just about every player from 1985-2010. That is how my system is based. It takes the college stats from players of the past, incorporates how those players turned out, averages it all out to get a basic score for the combination of those stats and then I score the potential of the players coming out of college today based on previous perfornances. All of the players from the past are scored the exact same way players coming out of college are now.

Derrick Coleman scored a 93. Basically a Solid Starter/Fringe All-star.

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by dalt99 on Jun 21, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gary Payton rated as the best player of that class didn't he? (1990)

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by pookeyguru on Jun 21, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yes

He destroyed the field. 102 (All-star/Superstar)

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by dalt99 on Jun 21, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mean wow

27 points per game, 8 assists, 2.2 A/TO ratio, nearly 4 steals per 40 minutes. OVER 50% FG shooting. Easily class of that season.

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by dalt99 on Jun 21, 2010 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Worst draft class ever dalt. Easily.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

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by pookeyguru on Jun 21, 2010 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

That or 2000

But it’s very close actually. Where 1990 had a superstar (Payton), 2000 had better overall players with careers. Curveball drafts are awesome I do dare say.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

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by pookeyguru on Jun 21, 2010 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ugh

2000 SUCKED. Kenyon Martin was the only player to score over 90.5. He scored a 94

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by dalt99 on Jun 21, 2010 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

1990 sucked too.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 21, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Question: Why am I repeating myself? Answer: No clue.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 21, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gotta get that comment count up there.

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by Aykis16 on Jun 22, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fail

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Gotta

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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 22, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whaaaaa? You didn't like the L Train?

I actually have the Gary Payton and Dennis Scott rookie cards with pics of them on draft night with their suits on.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 21, 2010 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't hate L-Train.

But, Lionel is like a few players every year: Injuries derailed his career after awhile.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 21, 2010 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who are the highest raters from your system that didn't pan out in the NBA?

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by Aykis16 on Jun 21, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pan Out?

That’s subjective. There are many players that didn’t reach their potential but not many that were ranked over 90 that completely flopped. There are some though that’s for sure. I will get a list soon.

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by dalt99 on Jun 21, 2010 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

How about the 97+ guys?

That more narrow?

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 21, 2010 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm OK

97+ “busts”. Well, here are some that didn’t quite reach that level:
1. Scott Skiles (97)
2. Larry Johnson (101)
3. Corey Maggette (97.5)
4. Mike Conley Jr. (96.5)
5. Kurt Thomas (97)
6. Drew Gooden (97)
7. Emeka Okafor (97) Not an all-star yet I don’t believe.
8. Michael Beasley (99)

So far those are the only ones to not reach All-Star status.

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by dalt99 on Jun 21, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ooops

Larry Johnson did make the all-star game twice.

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by dalt99 on Jun 21, 2010 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Still didn't reach that level though Dalt. Or at least he didn't IMO.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2010 1:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Didn't he play a good portion of his career with a bad back?

Maybe that was towards the tail end, but I think it had an impact on his game, considering how damn physical the guy was.

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by otis29 on Jun 22, 2010 5:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah but injuries are part of the game.

Had he stayed physically right, I think he would have been borderline Hall of Fame like Chris Webber.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I figured it wuz cuz of his Gold teef.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 22, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are correct

He didn’t reach the star status but he did reach the All-Star level (96+)

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by dalt99 on Jun 22, 2010 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow I need to read up on some scott skiles college stats

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 22, 2010 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Holy shit

Insane percentages

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 22, 2010 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

And he holds the NBA record for most assists in a game

with 30.

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by Aykis16 on Jun 22, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

yup I know

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 22, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

thank you

Very impressive….great work.

by getPGwithbounce on Jun 21, 2010 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

My feeling is

that this may be our last chance for a lot of years to hit a homerun in the draft.

You have to take that chance in our position.

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Jun 21, 2010 12:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Do you have data for older drafts?

I mean, past 2009. I’m curious to see how these players compare to others.

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--David Stern

by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 21, 2010 1:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Just do a search for his name

Type player rankings and his user name.

by kingsfan300 on Jun 21, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

2008 Scores

Here is the 2008 draft list of players and their scores.

A few of the scores are different now. I have been doing this system for 5 years now and each year I find tweaks I need to incorporate to improve the system to make it more accurate. Beasley is now 99, Love is 97, Speights is 92.5.. etc. My system was ranking bigmen a bit too high in the past couple years and I think I have found the tweak I had been missing.

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by dalt99 on Jun 21, 2010 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the D in dalt99 stands for drama

With the draft just 3 days away!
Bah! I can’t complain, love the analysis and glad it is here. The best pre-draft one-two punch on the nets – nbrans and dalt99. I like that you (dalt99) are the hands-off objective side of the player, nbrans more the eyes-on analyst. Thanks to both of you for your insights and hard work.

As always, we look first to see where “our picks” stack up on the list. Group-wise Cuz is a GAM (see Evans, Tyreke), and Wall is likewise impressive. I am glad to see that Evan Turner also marks up as stratospheric, with Favors a notch below. Eliminating the Top 4, and the Kings picking at #5, next best has some good choices, particularly Monroe who is the only big (I refuse to acknowlege Ed Davis – I am steadfast in my ability to remain unreasonable here). The other “A” players – those with a score of 90+ are all “SF/SG types”. On a personal note I am pleased to see James Anderson rated highly – I am an advocate and for reasons known only to my self concious basketball ego, seeing him here makes me feel good. He should feel cursed – kudos from me may be equivalent to pins in his voodoo doll. But hey, Steph Curry was last year’s guy for me, so maybe he will turn out okay.

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by betweentheeyes on Jun 21, 2010 1:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks for the effort, dalt

This is an annual must-read. I always enjoy seeing where your system values players compared to my own personal preferences.

Rec’d for sure.

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by Exhibit G on Jun 21, 2010 2:45 PM PDT reply actions  

bte said everything I would have said and said it much better than I would have as well

Thank you dalt, you and nbrans are the real deal here and the two of you make sense of the draft as well as anyone and better than most. My question is: As a Kings fan do you despair if we end up drafting Monroe or is he good enough to be a big time contributor despite his lack of a strong low post game? Really, really well done.

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by Bluejohn on Jun 21, 2010 5:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Enjoyed it Dalt.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 21, 2010 5:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Dalt

Do you quantify defense at all in your projections? If so, remind me if you could.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 21, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

35 recs?

36 with mine. whats the highest recs a user got for his fan page?

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by tomkanti on Jun 21, 2010 6:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Second most

Someone got 71 before

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by edm7 on Jun 21, 2010 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

And this dude is the overall record holder for a story

with 83 recs.

He’s really humble about it. Handsome too, although there might be enough photographic evidence to refute that claim.

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by Aykis16 on Jun 21, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure Jimmy Kimmel-lite.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 21, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fetch me a taco Guillermo.

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by Aykis16 on Jun 21, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

No.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 21, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Forgot about that one

It deserved those 83 recs. Good stuff meng.

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by otis29 on Jun 21, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Gonna add a few tweaks to this years addition. Dalembert was high on my list of targets though.

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by Aykis16 on Jun 22, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for all the hard work Dalt

As always, this is great stuff. You have a fairly proven method so everyone should pay (at least) some attention to it. Thanks again!

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by edm7 on Jun 21, 2010 7:24 PM PDT reply actions  

I was a lurker last year when you did the 2009 rankings

Was really looking forward to it again and this was definitely worth the wait. This was a very fun read and I appreciate all the work you put into it. Thanks.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 21, 2010 8:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Just curious

How did Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf (Chris Jackson) and Kennie Anderson score?

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 22, 2010 8:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Scores

Chris Jackson scored an 89.5 and Kenny Anderson scored at 97.5. Kenny had such a strong start to his career and died out. He seemed to peak and fall quickly.

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by dalt99 on Jun 22, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am guessing you didn't go back this far but

What about Pistol Pete?

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 22, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nope

Too long ago. Most of the college stats before 1980 are missing minutes played, assist totals and many other stats.

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by dalt99 on Jun 22, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for this, dalt99.

Your hard work and efforts are appreciated!

Get well, Coach Wooden.

Geoff Petrie, draft us an athletic big with post moves please.

by JETisKing on Jun 23, 2010 10:26 PM PDT reply actions  

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