Hello Sammy, Goodbye Spencer
by Exhibit G on Jun 21, 2010 9:52 PM PDT
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PrintOn Thursday I got a text message. "Nocioni and Hawes just got traded to Philly for Dalembert." Of course it had to happen during a week when I was completely swamped with work and would have absolutely no opportunity to draft a response. So please forgive the tardiness of this article, I had to write it.
So, Spencer Hawes. Spencer conflicted me like few players ever have. Normally you like a guy or you hate a guy, and you stick with that opinion (see Thabeeeeeeeet, Hasheem). When the Kings drafted Spencer, I hated it. A big white dude with bad knees, I was sure it was going to be a disaster. I can't remember exactly when things changed, but one day I found myself rooting for Spencer.
Maybe it was because he could pass, and he didn't look like those other clunky centers with bad knees. He was young, big, and I bought into the concept that he could be part of the future for this team. Back and forth I went, Summer League turned me against him, "Popcorn in my whip" had me in his corner. As Spencer's time as a King comes to an end, I find myself squarely in support of him. I don't know the he can overcome his deficiencies, but I believe in him. If Spencer had spent the last three years tearing through college players, I think he'd be one of the earliest players off the board this year. I still think he can figure it all out. But I'm also relieved that I will no longer have to eagerly wait for that day to come.
Through all of this, I like this trade for the Kings. Getting rid of Nocioni was necessary, and Samuel Dalembert is a player I've liked for a long time. The worst part of this trade is that I have no clue how to work "Dalembert" into song lyrics. It seems we've been trying to replace Divac ever since he left. We thought Brad Miller could fill the void, and then Hawes. Maybe Dalembert will help us all move on.
Spencer Hawes enters the realm of other favored Kings. When Webber was traded, it was the right move even if I was sad to see the Webber era end. Ditto for Peja, and for Kevin Martin. Perhaps Gerald Wallace would be a more apt comparison. The point is that these players enter the collective concept of the Sacramento Kings, and they remain in our consciousness long after they leave. Spencer will be a player I root for against every opponent except Sacramento, and I wish him the best. At the same time I look forward to watching Dalembert, and I hope that he too enters that lasting concept of the Sacramento Kings.
Welcome Samuel.
Farewell Spencer.
Shhh, he can't hurt you anymore...
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I liked Hawes too
I truly think we may end up regretting this trade, but because we did not have tu surrender our pick I think we will be okay.
I just think he will turn into a very good player and potential all star game or two in his future. Good luck to him in Philly.
I was going to "Reke" the text,
but then I saw the photo caption – very funny!
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by section214 on Jun 21, 2010 9:58 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Well put
For me, it was that you never know which guy would show up. One night it’s the one we are used to seeing. And then out of nowhere, 3 three pointers, rebounds and blocks. Perhaps this never happened in one game but you get what I’m saying.
And that's wassup.
by Sacramento_Strong on Jun 21, 2010 10:02 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Hawes potential is Gasol-lite
I hope he gets there soon. However, I do prefer the move of going after a traditional center. I can’t wait to see how much our team defense improves with Sammy in the middle and an off season that will include a focus on proper rotations and the like. Now when Beno gets burned by his man it won’t be an easy 2.
Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
I look at Hawes in the same light as Wallace
very proud that he got his start as a King and will be happy to root for him in all his success. If a player no longer fits, he no longer fits.
Here’s to Hawes successfully finding his natural role as a distributor in the high post in Philly.
Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
by sac_faithful on Jun 21, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
If Spencer had spent this past season tearing down 4.5 rebounds a game against
college players, for a career average of 4.2 a night, he would NOT be one of the earliest big men off the board on draft night. There would be a lot of questions. About his conditioning, about why he seemed to regress from sophomore to junior and senior years. About those repeated knee injuries. About the fact that the younger guys had so much more upside. About the prima donna attitude and questionable work ethic. Let’s face it: Spencer was drafted higher than he ought to have been on potential.
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Rebounds
Do you really think he’d only get 4.5/game against college opponents?
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I think his four years in college would have cemented his reputation as a poor rebounder.
I picked 4.5 because I was trying to compensate for the shorter college game. I admit my number might be off.
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He averaged 6.4 rebounds a game in his one year of college ball.
I find it hard to believe that Hawes would have then gone on to reduce his rebounding output by 30%.
no, he wouldn't have gotten worse as a rebounder
he would have been our poor rebounding Spencer, the one we’ve seen for the past 3 years. If that average is in the 6s, it’s in the 6s. The point is, we were concerned that he was a poor rebounder when we drafted him, but hoped he just needed to fill out. Three years later, we are pretty sure he’s just a poor rebounder, and that’s how it would have been if he was in the draft this week. He would no longer get the benefit of the doubt.
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Erm...
Spencer averaged 7.1 and 6.1 rebounds per game over the last two seasons, respectively. The idea that he would average 4.5 per game against weaker competition is pretty ridiculous.
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Erm...
For the third time, don’t get hung up on the number, I pulled the 4.5 number out of my ass. The point is “poor rebounder”. Not suggesting that he would have gotten worse as a rebounder. When we drafted him, there were questions marks about his rebounding, but some were prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt because he was just a college freshman. At this point, there are still question marks about his rebounding, and no longer is he as deserving of the benefit of the doubt.
Debating what his college senior rebounding average would have been is missing the point.
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I think it would be overlooked
Look at a guy like Patrick Patterson. He only averaged 7.4 RPG. granted, he’s not being viewed as a top 10 pick, but I think Spencer’s passing and shooting would have increased his draft stock.
Even if we look past his numbers, I still believe he would have been a high pick this year had he stayed in school. If you disagree, that is your right and there’s no way for us to know who would have been correct.
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true, we don't know
IMO, Spencer doubled his NBA career by coming out three years early. ‘Cuz he’ll be starting a new career by this time 2013.
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I was with you until this last post, man.
Like or not, Spence has enough skills to at least be on somebody’s bench. I don;t think he’ll EVER get an All-Star appearance (as some others do), but he’s not out of the league in 3 years, either.
Shit man, look at Darko.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 23, 2010 2:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Do you know who was drafted after Spencer? No?
Exactly. No one. I’m not defending Spencer at all but that draft wasn’t all that great, at all. I think most people were upset we didn’t pick Al Thornton who has since been traded from the team who drafted him. We could have had Acie Law or Julian Wright.
Actually a few good players were taken after him but were the type of “suprise” late 1st round-2nd round players. Kevin Martin type suprises like Aaron Brooks(26), Carl Landry(31), Big Baby(35), Marc Gasol(48), Ramon Sessions(58), Rudy Fernandez(24), Wilson Chandler(23), Rodney Stuckey(15)
Even in hindsight I’m not sure I would have taken more than a couple of those players over a skilled, 19 year old, 7 footer, with upside & all-star potential. Most of those guys are just roll players.
I love beating dead horses.
Thaddeus Young & Rodney Stuckey
Those are the two guys that I would say had “names” in that draft that were still on the board and look like they will become legit NBA players.
On the other hand, Julian Wright and Al Thornton were the popular alternate choices at the time, and I’m not sure that we would have been happy with either of those guys.
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Where the HEll is this All-Star potential you guys keep talking about?
I do NOT see it. No way.
And, as far as Big Baby, I knew he was going to be pretty good. Not as good as he is, but not much worse either. I liked him.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 23, 2010 2:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I wish him the best, but I like the trade.
Waiting around for a guy to find his game is tough in most cases, but when it generally felt like the guy wasn’t super-interested in becoming better, well, a change of scenery might do him good. I hope so.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
In fairness to Spencer
He was brought in as the next Vlade in a passing from the post system that was the hallmark of Sacramento basketball, but it was not meant to be.
We lost the coach that coached it, have owners who pushed for something else, and in the end a GM with an expiring contract needed to do what his bosses wanted. Build a new team that around toughness and defensive intensity.
Spencer was the obsolete dinosaur as a newbie. Spencer was never given a fair shake here. He was setup to fail. He will do better elsewhere.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
I agree
I know it’s pure speculation, but I have a feeling that he would have been great in that system. He just didn’t work out for what our new style will be and already is.
by Merickel on Jun 21, 2010 11:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He was given a fair chance and he blew it.
No summer league, no sympathy.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 23, 2010 2:52 AM PDT up reply actions
a lot of core players work out in Sac
and Hawes wasn’t one of them. I’m not saying that that was the sole reason, but the idea of Hawes mabye not fiting in perfectly with all the other players I think might have played a role. Petrie might be going for what he had in the golden years, with the rare chemistry. JT and Greene seem like best friends, Evans is taking steps to being a real leader, and everyone loves Brockman and Laundry.
My point is that mabye some chemisty factors played into the desicion to trade Hawes.
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
Lol.
“Laundry.”
Not making fun of you, as this was prolly a simple error, but it did turn out funny.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 23, 2010 2:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I never liked Spencer like I like Jon Brockman
but after the start of last season I really began to wonder if even if Spence reached his potential would he be the center the Kings needed. When the Kings traded Kevin Martin for Carl Landry I really started to think that Hawes was likely to be traded. I didn’t think the trade would come so soon but overall I like it. I always have a soft spot for our draft picks and I guess I will for Spencer but maybe not quite as soft for other first round picks no longer here.
I commented at the time Westphal suspended that I thought he picked on Spencer as opposed to Sean May or ‘Reke was that he was one of the least popular players on the team and there was likely to be less blowback from the rest of the team because he wasn’t all that popular with them. I believe Dalembart helps, I wish Spence the best but I won’t particularly miss him.
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I agree
if we had to throw in either Jason Thompson or Donte Greene in this trade there would be a lot more huffing and puffing not only from the fans but from the players themselves (no facts to back up this claim). JT and Donte seem to be close with each other and the rest of the team where Spencer always seemed like and outsider to me.
Also, Spencer’s work ethic seemed like it was next to zero which really throws a wet blanket on the “potential” theory.
Amazingly I wouldn’t be shocked if around the league Spencer had more trade value in the past few weeks than JT because he over the 7 foot threshold (which for some reason makes you a “true center”) and he seems to have more potential.
by Travis Mays Hayes on Jun 22, 2010 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Press Conference?
Don’t the Kings usually hold a press conference introducing the new player relatively soon after completing a trade? Not to look too far into it, but its been a few days now and there is no real news out of Sactown or the Maloofs as to when something like that might take place. Also, save for a comment or two by Petrie there hasn’t been much of the requisite talk from within the organization about how happy they area to have Sammy D etc.
Could this mean we are looking to move him? What is the cooling off period before we can flip Sammy D? I just read that mystery man World Wide Wes says that Chris Paul is available for the right package. Should we make a move? (Cue people killing me for outlandish speculation).
by Travis Mays Hayes on Jun 22, 2010 1:20 AM PDT reply actions
The funny thing is:
people will probably say that he’s “not a good fit” next to Tyreke and laugh it off.
by caseycheesecake on Jun 22, 2010 5:46 AM PDT up reply actions
And he isn't.
Paying a King’s Ransom for a player that would immediately decrease the value of the best player on our roster…doesn’t make too much sense. I’d argue that Melo would have a better impact on our team than CP3, despite CP3 being the superior player.
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
Maybe it is taking a little longer because it is the offseason
and they are waiting for a press conference until SD actually is here. This happens in a matter of days during the season because they are rushed over as soon as possible, but right now, the players are in no rush to get to their new cities. Plus with the draft right around the corner, there are bigger fish to fry. I see much more press action after Thursday. Also on the Kings site, they have SD dressed in a kings jersey and they are doing the "Meet the newest King’ deal so I think he is staying.
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by prowseinthehouse on Jun 22, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not a Kings fan...
but this is a pretty good trade for you guys. An expiring contract who fits in with the current Sactown system and who may dissuade you from picking DeMarcus Cousins at 5 is all good with me.
Absolutely!
A center with an expiring contract is a great reason not to draft a young center!
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Go easy on him, I saw that he hates the Lakers, so he must be ok
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by prowseinthehouse on Jun 22, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
this was a great trade IMO
and it’s just silly to suggest that Kings won’t draft center because they traded for C who’s under 1-year expiring …. uninformed
I wonder if there's a lesson here.
The lesson: don’t draft Whiteside.
Hawes was a young center. We knew it would take a while. It took a while. We got impatient and traded him, leaving the possibility that he matures as a player elsewhere.
Whiteside is raw. If we pick him, it will take a while. I love the idea of having a potentially great shot blocker/rebounder, but I wonder if we should take this as a warning that there’s a really decent chance that we’d get impatient with his development and trade him away, only to see him develop into a solid player elsewhere.
I don't think the Kings will take Whiteside
But at the same time, it would be foolish to say that the Kings shouldn’t draft a young center. Cousins is a young center. Younger than Whiteside, in fact. Or was the argument that we shouldn’t draft a raw project center? Dwight Howard was a young, project center. Many folks, myself included, thought Orlando should’ve taken Okafor.
The real lesson is that if you draft a center as a project, you can’t get upset or impatient if they don’t contribute right away. Unfortunately this team needed to be rebuilt, and couldn’t sit around waiting for Hawes to develop any longer.
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by Exhibit G on Jun 22, 2010 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not to mention Hawes actually didn't make much progress last year.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 23, 2010 2:57 AM PDT up reply actions
The pop corn in the whip
that always stuck in the back of my mind, i always thought this guy was just too douchey to root for.
But fact of the matter is, he’s young enough where he can probably develop into a 1 or 2 time all star. But in Phili, i would recommend he not talk as much.
by The Guy on the Couch on Jun 22, 2010 8:06 AM PDT reply actions
what is the pop corn in the whip? I must have missed that one.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
when Bobby Jackson put pop corn in JT's car
Spencer was on the phone with his car detailer explaining that his boy has pop corn in his whip, and the sad part was that the guy on the other line didn’t quite hear him, so Spence had to repeat himself a few times, and each time it sounded goofier and more ridiculous
by The Guy on the Couch on Jun 22, 2010 9:18 AM PDT reply actions
In short we are talking about a team with the 3rd worst record in the league so some changes are needed to be made. It’s a bit like when Petrie came and Tisdale was a free agent and he let him go and I can remember there was some concern as to the wisdom of that move.
Does/did Spencer have a bad work ethic or is this based on the fact that he bailed on the Summer League team. I think that these are different issues.
The key issue is, what would be Spencers potential upside? Can he develop into a starting center, or will he just become a change of pace offensive replacement player who will bounce around the league akin to a Matt Bullard type of guy. He show flashes of talent that but then he’d disappear for a stretch. Unlike a Dwight Howard Spencer has more subtle talents, Howard is a physical marvel who physically can hold his own and could block shots tip in dunks and rebound. Spencer has great vision, some passing touch and some promising post moves and he is tall. With Spencer you got glimpses of potential that if realised would make it hard for opponents to match up with him as how many really skilled centers are in the league, that’s what I will wonder about. I wish him well, especially in Philly.
This post and the comments are very kind (even sweet). Hawes is lucky to have such great fans
Personally, I thought he was an ass. Quite possibly my least favorite King of all time. I root for just about every former King—Ron, Ronnie, Mike, Mikki, Doub, Brad, Salmons, Skinner, even Trade-Ya Stoyachavich. But Spencer, I will root against.
Big mouth, but can’t dunk or rebound when it counts. No desire to dominate in a game, or even hold his ground. Challenged by Shaq point-blank to compete and shrunk from the moment. The next Vlade? This guy can’t hold Vlade’s hard pack.
Flawes had one big game in three years, and it was in a loss. The only man in the locker room with less value was Noce. I’m ready for the future!
by basketball galactica on Jun 22, 2010 1:06 PM PDT reply actions
You root for Quincy Douby?
Watch a lot of Euro ball, do you?
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 22, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, this cracked me up.
This post and the comments are very kind (even sweet). Hawes is lucky to have such great fans.
And then:
Personally, I thought he was an ass.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 22, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 22, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
This should be made into some kind of greeting card.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 23, 2010 3:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Nailed it G
I had forgotten how much I disliked Bibby and have not rooted for him nor given him much thought since he was traded. By the time he was traded I flat out hated him and couldn’t wait to see him go despite the real and important contributions he made during our glory years.
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
Man, I wanted to trade him to Cleveland so bad in '06
BIBBY FOR BOOBIE, I was just all about it. Then we’d have had a backcourt of Boobie Gibson and Quincy Douby, and that would have been fun to say. I mean, if you’re not going to give us any wins, at least give us BOOBIE/DOUBY for crimeny sakes!! BOOBIE/DOUBY!! BOOBIE/DOUBY!! But, wasn’t meant to be.
More to the point…Yeah, Mike Bibby is a jerk. I hear you. And yeah, Quincy Douby is a choker. Brad is a crybaby. Peja is always hurt. And Mikki Moore sucks at playing basketball. But, please note: we just got rid of A CERTAIN SINGLE INDIVIDUAL who was ALL of those things. (Hint: his first name rhymes with “Bench-her.”)
by basketball galactica on Jun 23, 2010 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Bibby was great, and didn't shirk away from big shots.
What’s with the “as” comments? Because he brought his boys out to Sacto and hung out with them?
BFD.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 23, 2010 3:01 AM PDT up reply actions
"as" = "ass"
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by PhutureKings on Jun 23, 2010 3:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Hope you enjoyed your time here
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by Aykis16 on Jun 22, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
brah?
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 22, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure.
Don’t you speak Troll?
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 22, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn that's original
Every room-temperature IQ’d 20 year-old has been busting out that phrase for the last year or so.
What’s next, you gonna drop an “Oh snap” on me?
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Oooo...maybe you'll hit me with a "weak sauce"
Or a “Cool story, bro!”
Damn, I’m almost giddy with excitement. The possibilities are limitless.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Your beautifully worded snarkfest made my day.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 22, 2010 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Snarkfest!
Available at your local Red Otis, but only for a limited time.
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Red Otis?
Give the guy a break. He hasn’t had his Obama avatar for months.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 23, 2010 6:11 AM PDT up reply actions
It's a play on a commercial
“Red Lobster for the seafood lover in you”
They often have events like Lobsterfest, Crabfest, etc.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 23, 2010 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Good place for the "family wants to go out and eat but don't want to spend too much and want to go somewhere relatively kid friendly without crazy stuff on the wall" meals.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 23, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
And
Cheddar Bay biscuits.
And coconut shrimp. And bacon-wrapped scallops.
Now I’m hungry.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 23, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
It's like Sizzler Plus!
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 23, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
It is!
My other favorites in this category are the Spaghetti Factory and Marie Calendar’s.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 23, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Spaghetti Factory is nice.
Olive Garden for the all you can eat factor, as well.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 23, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Original Petes is awesome.
But I’m a Pizza lover. IF you’re daring, and don’t mind being anywhere near Stockton Blvd south of Broadway, you should try Luigi’s. Best pizza in Sac barnone. (I think they have a new shop on 20th & J now too.)
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I haven't been to Luigi's
I don’t work too far from there, so I’ll have to check it out.
Two places outside of downtown have great pizza – Pasquale’s in Carmichael (although I haven’t been by there in years), and Mark & Monica’s at Manzanita & Winding.
Or if you’re in Grass Valley, go to Frank’s. Best pizza I’ve had in Northern California.
Now I’m hungry.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
They have a Mark & Monica's on Auburn Folsom Rd & Douglas too.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
The real Luigi's is on Stockton & 13th ave in case you want to go there sometime.
It is, umm, Oak Parkish though. Not sure if that will scare you away either. Also, no ambience at the place and I’m not sure if they open for lunch or not either to be honest.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yeah, I got that.
Was just going a different direction for a silly joke.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 23, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I just thought..
You being in Korea and all, you might not have seen the commercials.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 23, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Understandable, but Red Lobster's been around a long, long, long time.
I’m kind of surprised they’re still using the “For the seafood lover in you” bit, though.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 23, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
DISAPPOINTED
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
by otis29 on Jun 23, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Word. His reply was weak sauce! You were like Waz up? That all you got bitch?
And I was like Oh Snap! You pop’d a cap in his ass! Just sayin’ Brah
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 23, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
No no...it's "Werd"
And I’m just guessing here, but you might want to replace “bitch” with “be-yotch”.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
by otis29 on Jun 23, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I'm a poser.
Why’d you have to out me? H8R!
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 23, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey now, there's no malice intended
Let’s both think of this as a learning opportunity.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Now you just sound like Dr. Phil
I’m confused. ;-p
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jun 23, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
But can you really say "O werd"
And can it really be a question?
N4S is really bad at this game.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 23, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
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