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Sticks and Stones Can Break My Bones, But Words Can Hurt My Draft Stock

If you missed today's live mock draft on ESPN featuring Chad Ford and Bill Simmons, you can still read the transcript.  Then you'll wonder why anyone would have followed it live for 4 hours.  And those of us who followed it live will readily acknowledge our error in judgment.  But during the mock draft, Chad Ford threw out the following gem:

"Tyreke is a special player, but he isn't easy to coach or play with. Pair him with Cousins and the other 10 guys on that team are miserable."  

Oh my.

Star-divide

A quick Google search for "Tyreke Evans uncoachable" brings up one article about Evans, several articles about Rajon Rondo, and a few articles about DeMarcus Cousins.  Being the crack journalist that I am, I trusted my instincts and read the article that was actually about Evans.  It told me:

Premiere players come into the game wrapped in the stereotype that they are uncoachable know-it-alls, kids who have been coddled and massaged for so long that they wouldn't take advice if John Wooden, James Naismith and Red Auerbach were serving together on a panel to offer it.

Followed by this:

But what Evans doesn't have is an attitude. He didn't pout or whine through his struggles, didn't blame his coach (though his coach would later take the fall for playing Evans out of position). He just tucked himself in a film room to review the painful edit of his Puerto Rico performance, took whatever withering criticism harsh-tongued Calipari could offer and got better.

Gosh, that sounds miserable.  How did the Kings get through last season with a malcontent like Evans on the roster?!

The article didn't exactly tell me anything new.  We've never read or heard anything out of the Kings locker room suggesting that Evans was difficult to coach or play with.  Not from teammates, not from Amick or Ailene or Jason Jones or Jerry Reynolds or TZ.  We haven't heard these thing from anyone in a position to actually inform us of such things.  So when Chad Ford said it, it didn't phase me much.

But those search results made me think about Rondo and Cousins.  Rondo was labeled as being uncoachable coming out of Kentucky.  Turns out he just didn't fit very well in Tubby Smith's system.  Rondo was labeled uncoachable again in Boston, and was rumored to be on the trade block.  Success, it seems, has made Rondo suddenly very coachable.

Oddly enough, Calipari and Cousins seem to be fine together.  Cousins considered staying at Kentucky to continue learning from Calipari.  Doesn't sound uncoachable to me.  These labels find themselves attached the players, and we completely ignore whether or not they seem to be based in facts.  Even though Brandon Roy was a 22-year-old rookie, Wes Johnson is 23 so you shouldn't draft him (personally I think Johnson is being rated too high, but for reasons beyond his age). 

Cousins could end up being a coaching nightmare, I have no idea.  But neither do any of the other draft experts.  We're all clueless, and we're filling idle time until tomorrow night.

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all of this proves reason #546

Of Why Chad Ford Is An Idiot.

"I have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot...and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why... I succeed." Michael Jordan.

by Surprise Team on Jun 23, 2010 1:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Saw this during the chat.

I asked about his sources, but my comment wasn’t posted. From what I’ve seen the chemistry of this team was one of last season’s few bright spots.

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by Jaycee on Jun 23, 2010 1:16 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I posted this in another thread

but I think it pertains to this thread more.

if ESPN wants to cover the NBA, I think they need to do it like they do with the NFL. They have a "blogger" for each division. That way, they only focus on those 4-5 teams. It’s easier to get good information that way, IMO.

When you have a guy like Chad Ford, who I really can say with some confidence hasn’t watch Tyreke as much as others, saying stuff like that …. to some it might sound right cause they don’t watch the Kings on a nightly basis like we, or Sam Amick, or Jason Jones does. Therefore, just throws assumptions or stuff he’s heard from "sources" …. to me, he might know some things about the NBA, but nothing about the Kings.

by Dub_TC on Jun 23, 2010 1:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed

When Mike Sando (NFC West blogger) came around, ESPN’s coverage of the 49ers improved dramatically. It’d be really nice to have a guy following the pacific division like that.

by JohnPatrickMason on Jun 23, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah the Evans comments are a bit confusing. The guy hardly raises his voice so I have a hard time seeing him be difficult.

Success, it seems, has made Rondo suddenly very coachable.

If I’m not mistaken, I was under the impression that he has in fact had some difficulties with people within the Celtics organization. I seem to recall hearing a story where Doc Rivers had to basically tell Rondo “everyone thinks you’re a dick.” Seems like they have tried to move him a few times too.

Cousins considered staying at Kentucky to continue learning from Calipari. Doesn’t sound uncoachable to me.

The thing that bothers me with cousins though is (a) I never see him admit any type of fault for anything and (b) the discription of “attitude” you pulled in the article sounds like things I could see Cousins showing signs of.

But what Evans doesn’t have is an attitude. He didn’t pout or whine through his struggles, didn’t blame his coach (though his coach would later take the fall for playing Evans out of position). He just tucked himself in a film room to review the painful edit of his Puerto Rico performance, took whatever withering criticism harsh-tongued Calipari could offer and got better.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 23, 2010 1:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Rondo

I probably should have been more clear. What I meant by calling Rondo “suddenly coachable” is that you only hear about the issues with him when the Celtics aren’t winning.

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by Exhibit G on Jun 23, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's the nature of the business

If Rondo is playing great and winning basketball games, then most teams would be willing to ignore the fact that he’s a loudmouth prick. If they are losing, then there’s much less of a reason to tolerate him.

by Charlieb on Jun 23, 2010 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

26 hours, 23 minutes.

And all we have to do is comment on the commentators.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 23, 2010 1:37 PM PDT reply actions  

That Chat

was worthless. Not that I expected two douchewads to provide something substantive.

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by CAB on Jun 23, 2010 1:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Usually they produce a few laughs

They had nothing. Simmons didn’t even know what teams were picking and the comment on Reke was about the only stand Ford took.

by bignerd on Jun 23, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I see Ford's point how Monroe in high post will compliment Tyreke's slashing ability more

But i think finding Tyreke a legitimate 2nd (or even 1st) scoring option will compliment him the most. Point being, I’m sure Kings would love next Chris Webber, but would they risk chance at best Big in draft just to find a system player? It’s like saying Odom is a better compliment for Kobe than Dwight Howard would be because of his passing.

don’t think Kings will pass on Cousins….. I wish you would, cause as a Warriors fan I’m praying we get Cousins. but I don’t see it.

For record, I LIKE Monroe. I’m just not sold he won’t be more than a good complimentary big man. Again an Odom to your Gasol. Has tools to be better, but isn’t

by tafkasam on Jun 23, 2010 2:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Random dumb comment by me

I see Ford’s point how Monroe in high post will compliment Tyreke’s slashing ability more

The only thing about this statement from Ford is that it reads like something I would have written. Seriously. I know I am making fun of myself here but whatever. When Ford scouts the NBA he seems to just speak in generalities (“Hey that guard can’t shoot and he overdribbles alot, thus he needs a big around him who is known for shooting and passing.”). I just get the feeling that his opinion is just based on stuff he reads at Draftexpress or on some other website. Heck, seems to me that Cousins is a pretty good shooter and can at least pass okay when he isn’t down on the block (of course I just read that from Draftexpress so what the hell do I kno).

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 23, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

so now we are commenting on ourselves commenting on the commentators

It is really going to be a long summer.

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by Bluejohn on Jun 23, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Note: This is an example of the Bad Chad Ford.

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by Aykis16 on Jun 23, 2010 2:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Because he's saying what you don't want to hear?

Kidding. This really is Bad Chad, the guy who just makes stuff up because it makes him sound smart to people who are even more ignorant than him.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 23, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like the comparison of DMC to Rondo you made at the end

I think Rondo is still considered “hard to coach,” even for Doc Rivers (a coach of the year) with a team of very demanding vets. Will the Kings locker room be ready for Cousins? Right now, it’s just choirboys led by an introvert.

If the Kings get Cousins, they need to bring in an assistant who can handle a big, angry dude, and who can turn that size and attitude into a positive force for the Kings. My first choice would be Coach Cal himself, second would be someone like Coach John Thompson. Let’s get Worldwide Wes on the phone here and work something out.

by basketball galactica on Jun 23, 2010 3:07 PM PDT reply actions  

The funny thing about Cousins

is that I can actually see him being the type of guy who could in fact be the leader in an NBA locker room. The kid has a presence about him. The problem is that it might take a few years for that to happen.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 23, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hold on
bring in an assistant who can handle a big, angry dude, and who can turn that size and attitude into a positive force for the Kings

Let me introduce to you Truck Robinson and Mario Elie

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by edm7 on Jun 23, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yeah, I love both those guys, I'm so glad they are here. But Cousins needs his own handler, and those guys already cover a lot of roles for the team.

Orlando brought in Pat Ewing to coach Dwight Howard, and I think there might be some value in adding a coach to similarly mentor DMC (if the Kings draft him). It’s a consensus that he is a potential bust if any of a number of things goes wrong, so the Kings should take every precaution to ensure our guy becomes the All-Star we are envisioning. Hope for the best, plan for the worst.

Do you remember the Joey Dorsey problem? PW solved the Joey Dorsey problem by simply kicking Dorsey off the team, but he won’t have that same luxury with Cousins. I like the current coaches, but what does that incident say about the ability of PW’s staff to communicate with a problem player and get him to toe-the-line?

by basketball galactica on Jun 23, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was because Joey Dorsey sucked at basketball

Doesn’t necessarily mean they couldn’t deal with him. Why bother dealing with him when he isn’t any good?

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by CaliforniaJag on Jun 23, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

Good point. If DMC comes here, he’s going to be an important part of the team so a lot of attention will paid to him.

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by edm7 on Jun 23, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

True, the desicion with Dorsey was easy and I appluad PW for acting decisively.

I also commend the handling of the entire “Benching Spencer Hawes” drama, including the make-up chest bump (my favorite Spencer Hawes incident of his Sac era).

But remember the Gary Payton problem in Seattle? That was a long time ago, I know, and perhaps the experience of that spiraling mess inspired PW’s quick trigger finger with last year’s Kings. Now I’m not saying I don’t like anything about the King’s staff, I’m just saying there are “red flags” (if you will) with their ability to maintain discipline, and drafting DeMarcus Cousins is going to require an extremely disciplined work environment.

For the record, I’m FOR drafting Cousins, and I’m FOR bringing in a couple of drill sergeants to lock down on him, especially for year one, with all the stress and attention.

by basketball galactica on Jun 23, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

NOT miserable

If the team is winning 50+ games. You think the other players on LeBron’s team are loving that they never see the ball? Hey, they are in the deep playoffs right? I doubt that Artest is ready to throw his ring away because he didn’t get to chuck up a ton of shots thanks to Kobe and Gasol hogging the rock.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on Jun 23, 2010 3:16 PM PDT reply actions  

The guys who actually are miserable in winning situations are the ones you don't want on your team.

See: Joe Johnson and Shawn Marion.

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by Jaycee on Jun 23, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bill Simmons is equally an idiot...

I was in New York visiting some friends who work in the tv/film business about a month ago, and went out with them to an after-party after the filming of Saturday Night Live (the week that the girl from Precious hosted). Anyways, we saw Simmons at the party, and, with a few brews in me, I went up to him and politely told him that I disagreed with him picking Steph Curry over Tyreke for his ROY.

He made a ridiculous argument, which I believe he’d made in his story explaining his vote, that when he “thinks about voting for ROY, he always thinks about which player he would rather play with, and that’s why (he) voted for Curry.” It’s a ridiculous point because, of course, voting for who was the best rookie has nothing at all to do with who you would like to play with, but who had the best year…that, in fact, is the definition of Rookie of the Year, I believe.

Anyways, it points also to this idea that people hate playing with Tyreke, which is something that I personally haven’t seen from a single current or former Kings player.

by Out of Service Pervis on Jun 23, 2010 3:32 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Sorry but who gives a shit

You asked him his opinion and he gave it to you. So what.

Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.

by wallywagon11 on Jun 23, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I gave a sh*t

Enjoyed the read, actually.

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by section214 on Jun 23, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   4 recs

I agree with this comment...aka "this"

"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."

by otis29 on Jun 23, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

But why call out Simmons for being an idiot?

He was nice enough to have a conversation with him about it.

Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.

by wallywagon11 on Jun 23, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought that last paragraph explained it nicely
Anyways, it points also to this idea that people hate playing with Tyreke, which is something that I personally haven’t seen from a single current or former Kings player.

"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."

by otis29 on Jun 23, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it might be related to the "NaPG" garbage...

…ie. on the one hand, he’s slated for the PG position, but doesn’t play like one – ergo, he’s a ball hog!

by napg on Jun 23, 2010 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Current roster clause – Noc is a 76ers.

by bignerd on Jun 23, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

This is what you’re going to bunch your undies for today? Breathe, baby. Breathe.

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by section214 on Jun 23, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you

This clown sucks down a few pops starts a conversation and Simmons basically gives him a truncated version of his article and now he’s an idiot.

Here’s the article in full, hardly incendiary stuff even if I disagree with the conclusion.

I think Curry was the 2009-10 Rookie of the Year.

Look, I wanted to pick Brandon Jennings because he started for a playoff team, but you can’t miss 65 percent of your shots for the last four months of the regular season and be my rookie of the year. Sorry. That leaves two guards (Curry and Evans) who put up gaudy stats on terrible teams. I just thought Curry had a higher degree of difficulty: crazy coaching situation, crazy ownership/front-office situation, super-crazy roster. He played with Ellis and Corey Maggette (two of the ultimate me-first guys), and a rotating cast of promoted D-Leaguers and bench guys. He didn’t have a decent low-post player or rebounder; you knew things were bad when someone said the words, “We really miss Ronny Turiaf right now.” And yet, he got better every month (check out his splits), and became the first rookie ever to average 17 points and two 3s per game and top 85 percent free throw shooting and 40 percent 3-point shooting (nobody even came close before).

Evans made history as well, joining the 20-5-5 Rookie Club along with MJ, Oscar Robertson and LeBron. Pretty good company. But he had better teammates, and if you want to get technical, I never watched a Warriors game without thinking, “Curry would be fun to play with” at least once. I can’t say the same about Evans. Curry gets my vote.

by hammystyle on Jun 23, 2010 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Future tip (since I'm trying to be nice to newer people these days)

Part 1 of the column. Part 2. Also you can blockquote which will end up with said looking like thingy:

Look, I wanted to pick Brandon Jennings because he started for a playoff team, but you can’t miss 65 percent of your shots for the last four months of the regular season and be my rookie of the year. Sorry. That leaves two guards (Curry and Evans) who put up gaudy stats on terrible teams. I just thought Curry had a higher degree of difficulty: crazy coaching situation, crazy ownership/front-office situation, super-crazy roster. He played with Ellis and Corey Maggette (two of the ultimate me-first guys), and a rotating cast of promoted D-Leaguers and bench guys. He didn’t have a decent low-post player or rebounder; you knew things were bad when someone said the words, “We really miss Ronny Turiaf right now.” And yet, he got better every month (check out his splits), and became the first rookie ever to average 17 points and two 3s per game and top 85 percent free throw shooting and 40 percent 3-point shooting (nobody even came close before).

Evans made history as well, joining the 20-5-5 Rookie Club along with MJ, Oscar Robertson and LeBron. Pretty good company. But he had better teammates, and if you want to get technical, I never watched a Warriors game without thinking, “Curry would be fun to play with” at least once. I can’t say the same about Evans. Curry gets my vote. By the way, I still want to know how Minnesota’s David Kahn had the fifth and sixth picks in the draft, took two point guards, and somehow missed Curry AND Jennings. He was like the kid with the gun in the Big Kahuna Burger apartment who fired 25 bullets at Jules and Vincent Vega, and somehow didn’t hit either of them.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 23, 2010 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I interpreted that quote differently. I didn’t look at it and thought negative things about Tyreke the person, but about Tyreke the player. I think Ford is trying to say that Evans is a bit of a ball-hog and that makes other players mad because they don’t get their shots.

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by 49er16 on Jun 23, 2010 3:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Sorry....

Usually like your stuff but feel like you’ve just found Ford comments/articles recently and tried to pick them apart. I get that he’s not that phenomenal of a writer/source. But it’s much easier to pick apart somebody than come up with the original material yourself and it seems like that’s what you’ve tried to do with your last few posts.

On top of that, what he says about Reke isn’t all that inaccurate in my opinion. I’m a big Reke fan and love what he’s done for the Kings…but as someone who has played, I can honestly say I would not enjoy playing with him. He dominates the ball, holds on to it for long stretches of a time, and looks to shoot more often then pass. That’s not the type of point guard I want to play with. Again, I love watching Reke play. But as a teammate…I’m not sure I would enjoy it that much.

I’ll reiterate again. You do great stuff here G. I just wasn’t a huge fan of another critical Ford piece…especially when I don’t think he’s all that far off.

by AJ11 on Jun 23, 2010 5:27 PM PDT reply actions  

It's hard to average 5+ assists and not pass

Yes he may be ball dominant, but to get that many assists on a team that has a hard time scoring shows he is less selfish than people are leading on.

...

by prowseinthehouse on Jun 23, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

I’m always open to criticism, especially when it is in a constructive manner such as your response.

While following the mock draft, I didn’t plan on writing a response. This line nagged at me, but not so much because it was critical of Tyreke. I did some searching online to see if I could find anything to support the idea of Tyreke being difficult to coach or play with, and I found an article seeming to indicate the opposite.

At that point I got to thinking about pre-draft perceptions. I recalled Rondo’s reputation as being difficult, and thought about how that was completely ignored during the NBA Playoffs this year. I also thought it could relate to Cousins. Both of these connections were based on the inaccuracy of one comment which happened to be made by Ford. The article was not meant as an attack on Ford, hence the line:

So when Chad Ford said it, it didn’t phase me much.

I could have written this as an attack on Ford, and made that the sole focus. Instead I related a comment about Tyreke to Rondo and Cousins, and how it could relate to the negativity that has been associated with Cousins leading up to the draft. Personally, I felt this was a unique angle that had not been explored previously. Sorry if the article did not come across that way to you.

As for Tyreke the teammate, I always liked being on winning teams when I played basketball. I think that Tyreke helps the Kings win more games. As such, I’d be happy to have Evans on my team. Perhaps that is overly simplistic, but that’s my take.

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by Exhibit G on Jun 23, 2010 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you have to apologize to every person who disagrees with your opinion.....

….you might as well not have an opinion.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 23, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Got it...

That definitely makes sense to me now. I like that angle.

I agree with you on winning games. But the Kings won 20 something last year and will likely be somewhere around the same this year. So if you’re not winning and you’re playing with a guy like Reke, is it still fun?

by AJ11 on Jun 24, 2010 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

hmmm

It sounds to me like your description of Tyreke could fit that of Jordan, Kobe, Wade, ect.. If your an elite level player, you should have the ball in your hands more. If you can score better then the other 4 players on the court, you should probably take more shots. It’s one thing for a guy to be a ballhog and just look for your own (see Noc), its another to be able to score on whoever, at whatever time in the game. Tyreke makes winning plays, and if your own ego is in the way of being part of a winner with him, then you should be replaced.

by elSAVinator on Jun 23, 2010 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is simple: take the best talent. There is no other way.

That would be Cousins if he’s still around.
Coaches get paid well, they should be able to handle it.
Surprised nobody pointed out the Espn dudes’ ringing endorsement of Monroe as another softie that disappears in games like so many Kings of recent years. But at least he has a good attitude. That really puts butts in seats.

Reke’s tendency to dominate the ball is the reason why he’ll probably wind up starting at 2. Just because he can pass/dribble/score and actually play PG doesn’t make him our best PG. Unless he surprises me and changes his look-to-score first mentality, and what would make him do that? Why would we want him to do that? He’s a natural slashing 2, na pg. We played the best as a team when he was running alongside Beno last year.

Hoping to see this starting 5: Beno, Reke, Green, Landry, Dalembert.
with bench: [whatever PG we get]/Reke, Udoka, Casspi, Thompson and Cousins off bench.

by VirginiaBlue on Jun 23, 2010 6:36 PM PDT reply actions  

This is what gets me...

I’ve met tyreke before and all I can really say is that dude is humble. So I like the fact someone acknowledges that he doesn’t have an attitude because he never had that air about him.

And that's wassup.

by Sacramento_Strong on Jun 23, 2010 7:06 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Good Read

I am starting to hate Chad Ford more then any other columnist on the net, all sports included. I cant believe people have to actually pay a monthly fee for his BS, I get it for free because of the magazine. He seems to be a huge Kings hater, and I think he still hates on Tyreke, because all the BS he said about him during last years draft and he can’t just admit he’s wrong. Even Kevin Martin called him the leader of the team at the beginning of last year when he was injured, someone is not your leader at 20 if no one likes playing with him.

by elSAVinator on Jun 23, 2010 9:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks

But let me say this, I don’t hate Chad Ford. I don’t agree with everything he says, but he’s not a bad guy. Anyone who works to give us more information is a good guy, and I think Ford works really hard to give us information. We can disagree with his analysis, but he does have good info sometimes.

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by Exhibit G on Jun 23, 2010 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Job

I’m probably just jealous because he gets to talk about sport for a living. As a huge Kings fan though, I can’t over look his hatred for the Kings. He has been wrong just as many times as he’s been right, and for someone that is an ESPN inside I need more. I can handle when your wrong, but when you make strong statements like someone is hard to coach, or people don’t like playing with him, you better have some info to back it up with.

by elSAVinator on Jun 23, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

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