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Choose Something Like a Star

Winslow Homer, The Life Line (1884).

No one knows that DeMarcus Cousins will become a Sacramento King tonight because no one knows what will happen in picks 1-4. We have an idea, maybe a good idea that he will be on the board. But we don't know. And that will not be answered until roughly 4:50 PM Pacific. That specific question is not likely to be answered before then.

But if he is on the board, and if the Kings indeed select him, that is when the real questions begin. Is Cousins the most dominant player in the draft? Is the best center to enter the league in years? Is he ready to contribute from Day 1? Does he have room to improve? Can he hold up under the increased social and physical stress of NBA basketball? Can he stay on the court due to conditioning and foul trouble? Will he eat himself out of the league? Will he mope his way out of the league?

Can the Kings as a family save him from himself?

Does he need to be saved from himself?

Is the risk too great?

Can the Kings afford potential failure?

Star-divide

I'm reminded of one of my favorite Robert Frost poems, "Bravado."

Have I not walked without an upward look
Of caution under stars that very well
Might not have missed me when they shot and fell?
It was a risk I had to take -- and took.

Cousins might go horribly, horribly wrong. Since the dismantling of the contender and pouring of tomorrow's foundation, the Kings as an organization have not stood out as particularly supportive toward the growth of young players. Spencer Hawes is perhaps the prime example.

Blame Hawes all you want, but the team never strong-armed him into doing the program here in Sacramento under the watchful eye of the franchise. Heck, for his first two summers, there wasn't even a hint the team wanted to play a big role in his offseason development. It can be argued that when your in-season development is limited to one-on-one versus Shareef Abdur-Rahim and lectures from Truck Robinson, there was no evident plan for turning the raw, skinny kid from Washington into an NBA All-Star. I know the team laid out a strength and conditioning program for all the youngsters, and I know everyone does their best.

But there has to be a plan, a system, to support the kid's growth. The lack of such only contributed to Hawes' failure in Sacramento; he, Hawes, takes a portion of blame too, and there's also the underlying possibility Hawes just isn't a starting big man in the NBA now or ever.

That underlying possibility simply doesn't exist for Cousins. He has the size today, the skills today and the ability today to be an NBA starter. And he is 19 years old.

Any potential failure comes down to Cousins' drive and the Kings' ability to develop him. There is no Team DeMarcus, no Blueprint. Cousins simply doesn't have the readymade support system Tyreke brought with him. He has to rely on himself and the franchise. And given the innate and unavoidable issues involved -- his body type, his brash attitude, his position and his talent level -- the team needs to be not just a pillar of strength for DeMarcus, but a rocket to aid his journey into the stratosphere.

He can't do it himself, and should the Kings land Cousins, the team must realize that and plan accordingly. DeMarcus is a sapling. Stake him, feed him, water him, and do everything you can to help him grow strong and blossom brilliantly.

***

I know that I just totally jinxed everything.

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I could be wrong

But reading between the lines I think Ziller wants the Kings to draft Cousins.

by nbrans on Jun 24, 2010 9:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Smo... wait, what the hell?

"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie

by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 24, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Listening to the Rise Guys this morning, literally everyone on both sides of every interview said "smokescreen" at least once

And I chuckled every time. Scott Howard Cooper, Jerry Reynolds, all of the Rise Guys, everyone. It’s the word of the day.

"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie

by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 24, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great - way to go Ziller.

Now Morey or Pritchard is going to make some ridiculous deal to move up and we’re going to draft Darko Miličić.

A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...

by Jaycee on Jun 24, 2010 10:04 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

If there's one player who would make me appreciate DMC....

…..it’s definitely Darko.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree about the Kings "needing" to provide involvement for a young player

It’s up to that young player to do it. When you’re a professional, and you’re provided a means to do so, it’s up to you to do so or no longer remain employed. Why should NBA teams go about it differently? Plus, when a player goes about things diligently and effort, and without being prompted by the organization at every moment, it makes the power of suggestion even more powerful.

I don’t think the Kings should be hands off, but it’s also not the franchises job to make Cousins development happens. Obviously it would be necessary for the franchise to take that next step. But, I don’t think Hawes didn’t develop because of a lack of work. Mostly he didn’t have the body to implement his skills and never improved upon his body enough to make a dramatic leap as a NBA player.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 10:05 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

when u spend

That kind of money on a 19 year old you have to protect the investment. How professional do you expect him to be?

It's all Jim Les' fault

by nakaisgod on Jun 24, 2010 10:10 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

If the Kings want Cousins to pan out ...

… then it absolutely is up to them to do everything they can to help him. If the Kings want to waste a top-5 pick, they might as well draft you or I.

I’m not saying the Kings need to run an after-school program here. But they have a role in the development, and it needs to be handled well.

by Tom Ziller on Jun 24, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Just curious though, what could the Kings do?

I guess that is what I was trying to get at with my NFL question down below. What are the feasible options?

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ask Donte to take him under the wing.

That would mean a loooot of Xbox

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

the issue of responsibility is the question

As an ancient flatus I could critique the whole of “the younger generation” and say that entitlement and a loss of responsibiity are characteristics too often seen.

All of these players have a distorted upbringing than that of the common adolescent – they are bigger, stronger and have had an inordinate amount of attention showered on them. DeMarcus Cousins even more than most. He is high profile and that will not change anytime in the foreseeable future.

If the Kings draft Mr. Cousins than they have to understand those risks. I believe they do. But as TZ points out, that is a different commitment than they have faced before. The Kings have ventured into the land of the sociopath many times before (and I am not labelling DMC a sociopath) and other than signing the check, it seems they let things play out in the locker room and on the court.

With the series of questions posed above, the game plan has to change. Nuture is the ingredient. Not facebook or twitter addresses, not community appearances alone. This player is an extra investment in off court time and guidance. And the Kings have to understand that loyalty is not part of the package, it would be a bonus but not expected.

Excellent points all, Ziller. Do you believe that the FO understands the unique situation they face and are prepared to address it?

by betweentheeyes on Jun 24, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have no idea

Thanks for your thoughts. That’s exactly what I’m talking about.

I have no clue if the franchise feels the same way. I think Westphal knows, and understands — he took Lewis under his wing in Seattle, after all. But I’m not sure there’s a real organizational gameplan on this issue. I mean, the team hired Harold Pressley as a mentor/babysitter a few years ago. That job lasted a couple months.

by Tom Ziller on Jun 24, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not 100% relative

Tyreke’s statement about the Kings need for a veteran player might be a solution for the mentoring and “under the wing” part. However the responsibility clearly lies on the Kings administration.

by ZenBaller on Jun 24, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Prince might solve that need.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Jun 24, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Veteran - not washed up relic

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jun 24, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree, I would look more to Landry than a Prince type.

Before the trade for Dalembert, I would have proposed something so vile that I could have been banned- “The Shaq-iatrist”. I think he would have been a perfect mentor for Cousins for a year or two. Call me crazy but I think Shaq could not only teach a player like Cousins to be dominate on the court but he could show Cousins how to change an image off the court by using that same craziness for good instead of evil.

Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.

PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.

***Update***

Cousins can be a major star.

PookeyGuru- June 23, 2010.

by jjham15 on Jun 24, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is crazy-talk

and I love it.

However, I do not think Shaq will resign himself to that role.

by caseycheesecake on Jun 24, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Isn't Shaq also a pretty smart businessman??

someone who has handled stardom, and come out both semi-sane and commercially profitable could help mentor a young kid by teaching him how to surround himself with the right people.

"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."

by SactoRyan on Jun 24, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not crazy about the idea of Shaq around

He would not be happy if he didn’t get minutes. Plus he is a bit petty.

Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.

by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

If Dalembert wasn't around though ...

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Definitely & 100% this.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Definitely would not want Shaq around.

I want to thank my psychiatrist. - Ron Artest, June 17, 2010, after winning NBA Championship.

Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
- John Wooden

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jun 24, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

That ain't crazy JJ

"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."

by otis29 on Jun 24, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

seriously

Get off Prince. It was one thing to swap for Noce but who or what are we gonna trade to get a overpaid nearly washed up player who won’t be happy and won’t get min?

LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.

by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 24, 2010 12:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wow, must be a "Prince is washed up" memo going around

See the echo below.

I’d love to have a consistent 13-5-5 guy who plays solid D coming into town at the same age Vlade was when he joined the Kings.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Jun 24, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

well first he wasnt 13-5-5

Second we have two young players who should put up as good or better numbers who will be receiving those minutes. Third who do you propose trading, especially considering Prince makes a shit ton of money? It doesn’t improve our team, takes time from youngsters or leaves us with unhappy vet, and I have no clue what you propose giving up for the guy.

LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.

by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 24, 2010 1:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sorry, I meant 13-5-3

And he’s done that on a consistent basis every year except for his rookie season.

That’s better than the numbers the youngsters are putting up, so that improves the team.

The trade issues have been discussed ad nauseam elsewhere.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Jun 24, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

yea when it was for noce

So I have to ask again what you would trade for a guy who may be slightly better than Omri or Donte makes a ton of money and will either be unhappy on bench or take time away from our future?

LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.

by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 24, 2010 2:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

We'd probably be better off with a vet and one of them.

I think Prince for 30 minutes a game and Donte for 18 would be a good formula.

I’d switch Garcia into the Noce position in the trade.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Jun 24, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

And that's the same question

You can ask about our front line if you draft a big like Cousins. Too many bodies for too few minutes.

As far as the future, it’s time to start worrying about getting better now and playing games that matter now, even if it’s just scrapping to get into the playoff hunt. Changing that mindset will do more to build this team’s future than continuing to gift minutes based on “potential.”

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Jun 24, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

ok

I just disagree. I think as of right now Prince is gonna be an insanely high paid player who you don’t bring back next year who is barley better than donte or omri who have much higher ceilings. Just a difference of opinion. I agree that if you can get an good upgrade go for it, but one that is minimal at best and delays your youth movement that’s one year old I just can’t get down with it. As far as if we draft cousins we have 4 players at two positions, not 3 or four at one, with a good chance Dali doesn’t come back, so to me that’s apples and oranges. But I guess I think you really overvalue prince and you probably think I undervalue him. But hey we are all Kings fans with varying opinions. Hell my best friend thinks Tyreke is a ball hog who can’t sniff Currys jock lol. (Although after a few cocktails it does make me wanna punch him!)

LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.

by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 24, 2010 3:17 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I certainly respect that

I don’t think I overvalue Prince; he’s just better than what we have now at that position. And I think that’s how you get better as a team.

Dalembert is not a superstar. He’s just better than Hawes. So you go from a player who’s in the 20-30 range as far as starters go at this position and you upgrade to the 11-20 range. I’d view a move to Prince as a similar upgrade.

You’re probably going to have to pick between Omri and Donte at some point, anyway. I don’t really think in another season the difference between them will be clearcut, just as it isn’t now. And if it’s just one of them battling a vet like Prince for playing time, it becomes a better situation. You’re not giving them minutes, you’re making them earn them.

Another positive is the flexibility you’d gain if you were able to swap someone like Garcia away with three years left for an expiring like Prince that you could probably resign for less money.

Again, there’s different ways to build a ballclub and we all throw our two cents worth out there. I’d just like to start winning again sooner rather than later.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Jun 24, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

sorry BTE

but i don’t see how emsaculating him would help.

“Nuture is the ingredient.”

"every once in a while a kernel of truth...uhh... corn is revealed in my usual pile of poop" - betweentheeyes

by debrixtha1 on Jun 24, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Better the Xbox

than the ice box.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Jun 24, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

DMC'd

Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile

by Balky Needs on Jun 24, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Photobucket

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Actually now that I think about it

This cat is doing an awful good job of mimicking the women in the painting up above.

Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.

by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

These are all good things.

But again: If DMC (or any player) doesn’t buy in, how much does that have to do with the Kings? How much should the Kings push DMC and how much does he simply need to show the need to do this stuff? It’s a tricky balance is the only way I can describe it.

All I’m trying to say on this topic really.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with pookey here

you cant force someone to make they try their hardest; sometimes it has the opposite effect; a la derrick coleman

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 24, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was actually the Nets, the team that drafted him

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 24, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol fail

Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.

by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

but it was the Sixers who really got on his case

Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

by Holmdel on Jun 24, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right

If they don’t think he can do it, even with the team’s help, they have no business spending the No. 5 pick on him.

by Tom Ziller on Jun 24, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well, I guess we'll know today.

But I’m not sure any team can know that. The Kings thought highly of Hawes after year 1, and that turned out to be a mistake. He ebbed when he shoulda flowed or something.

I’m just not positive player development is all about the team allocating resources and being aggressive to get the player to understand that to be successful in doing that. If the player doesn’t get that, what purpose does it serve to try & push it on the player?

These questions, all valid, and certainly not out of line (like your Pressley point), are all part of the difficulty of projecting players. No more or less.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

The world is a changing place, the players all individuals

Tyreke has the BluePrint, Donté responded to mentoring, Omri has placed the burden and responsibiity of Country Representative on his shoulders, Brockman needs to pay his pancake bill. Motivation is your point here, correct PG?

Sometimes, just sometimes, teenagers are confused as to which path to follow and which steps to take on the path to what they think is success. Cousins would not have made it to Coach Cal’s lair if he hadn’t shown a commitment to work. How much and with what purpose, other than he is grown ass man sized and every one is telling he should remains to be seen.Does he see himself a star? Does he understand the commitment recquired to attain such heights?

The draft is a lottery, the players are gambles. It has been described well with DMC – he is either a home run or a strike out – well, sort of. The other side of this is that with his height and skills there will always be a market for him – he will always have value. If they decide they don’t like the pick they can get something in return (more so than a Wes Johnson or someone unsexy like Udoh)

by betweentheeyes on Jun 24, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

If they picked Udoh I would be very very very unhappy

Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.

by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Definitely with you on Udoh. The more I looked into him the less pleased I am.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you and I both liked him before the workouts

I was shocked how small he looked around other frontcourt types.

"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."

by otis29 on Jun 24, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I soured on him after looking at his TS% & DR%

Way too low. Way way too low. People tripped out about Spencer’s rebounding outta UW. It was a very similar number to Spence’s for Udoh. TS% too. Both were awful.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would actually prefer Whiteside to him

Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.

by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

and that is not necessarily a compliment

Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.

by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't go that far.

And you’re right it’s not a compliment.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

nicely done...
Brockman needs to pay his pancake bill

"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."

by SactoRyan on Jun 24, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Coachie, Westphal, Petrie, Mario Elie...

The Kings have a support staff, even with the loss of Brian Gates to NO. I also believe that a veteran team is the last spot that Cousins would fit in like the talking heads have prognosticated. The Kings have a young group that really stick together on and off the court. Peer pressure is a wonderful thing and I think having a group that will accept you but hold you accountable is a good thing.

Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.

PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.

***Update***

Cousins can be a major star.

PookeyGuru- June 23, 2010.

by jjham15 on Jun 24, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Liked that last part

Peer pressure is a wonderful thing and I think having a group that will accept you but hold you accountable is a good thing.

This is a big deal for the Kings (or any young team really) in my book.

Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.

by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree about the peer pressure and the young group that DMC can grow with.

That is a plus for him. Makes me wish I had thought about that when I was writing my novel. I hate you JJ!

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

You can steal it ; )

Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.

PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.

***Update***

Cousins can be a major star.

PookeyGuru- June 23, 2010.

by jjham15 on Jun 24, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nah

I already steal everything else. I figure I should let this go once this one time.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brain Gates went to NO?

When did this happen?

"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims

by edm7 on Jun 24, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I read yeasterday or the day before that he left to join Monte Williams new staff.

He’s probably moving up to a lead assistant role.

Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.

PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.

***Update***

Cousins can be a major star.

PookeyGuru- June 23, 2010.

by jjham15 on Jun 24, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good inFO

Thanks JJ

"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims

by edm7 on Jun 24, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah thanks

I didn’t know that either (don’t be surprised) and it was not surprising to hear there is potential friction with Jason Levien these days in the front office. Sometimes when you think things are settled…..

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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Donté as mentor?

By all accounts, Greene is a very solid citizen, and a bright guy, but I don’t get the impression that in terms of his game, he’s a great work habits role model for someone like Cousins.

Donté made some impressive strides last season, definitely, but I don’t think Cousins’ personality at this stage of his life is suited to deal with someone like Greene. I don’t know if Udoka is going to be around, but that’s the kind of person I’d like to have pushing Cousins to get better, and more mature.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Jun 24, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

You fail to understand Donte's allure Sims

He’s from Bodymore.

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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lived there for two years, love that town.

And it’s Bodymore, Murdaland.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Jun 24, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yuh. I seen the Wire. :)

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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hamsterdam

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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 24, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

A player/man like Udoka would be ideal. But it also helps to have peers, and Donte is closer to DeMarcus in age/life stage.

I think Donte’s committment to improving himself, keeping his nose clean and being a great teammate have shown through, though.

by Tom Ziller on Jun 24, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, given our youth, I doubt any rookie would be lacking in running buddies.

But Tyreke and his brothers might also provide good examples, pants height excepted.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Jun 24, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is why I say make a run at Ray Allen

Class act, champion, been an NBA superstar before. Plus he fits in nicely with Tyreke because he can handle the ball and is a lights out shooter.

by Scirocco on Jun 24, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah and about a 5% chance of happening at best.

He never played here, is not from around here, and this team isn’t even a playoff team.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Money talks

What I’ve been hearing is that people want to give him a 3 year deal worth just a bit above the MLE. If we’re serious about having a mentor I say give him the same for 4-5 years and see what happens. It may become a bad contract in a few years but I can see Ray having a Vlade-like effect on this young team.

It is a longshot, but I think its worth pursuing

by Scirocco on Jun 24, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Two things

1. If we only offer him the MLE, he is going to take the MLE somewhere else, the years don’t matter.

2, Four to five years? Wow.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Think of the Vlade Divac signing

Even when he’s in steep decline, he’ll still be a valuable veteran locker room presence.

by Scirocco on Jun 24, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

What?

He was pretty damn good when we signed him. In fact we let him go when he got old. And when did Ray Allen become a good locker room presence? Don’t get me wrong, he hasn’t done anything to be a bad one but I was under the impression he wasn’t really much of a presence. The guy’s personality is nothing like Vlade’s.

Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.

by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ray's still a contributor now

He plays great defense and you can never leave him open.

Vlade came onto the Kings as one of the primary options. Remember he was the one who took the potential game-winning shot against Utah in Game 5 of the ’99 series. But as the rest of the team grew around him, he became a roleplayer and took a backseat to CWebb, Peja and Bibby. But his locker room presence was always felt, he kept that team together and they were absolutely special in terms of chemistry.

I think Ray is the same way. He’s widely known as a class act throughout the league. He’s been an superstar in this league, remember he was just a tier behind Kobe in SG rankings earlier this decade. I like Ray a lot and I think it’d be great for the young guys, especially potentially DMC, to have him to look up to.

by Scirocco on Jun 24, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’s widely known as a class act throughout the league

That’s true but I don’t recall him being very vocal or acting as a mentor. There is a difference between him a Vlade. I don’t see Ray Allen reaching out to help DMC. And again, why would Allen want to come here? If he is just coming for money then why would he all of a sudden care about reaching out to Cousins?

Basically, I have a hard time seeing him coming here for anything short of a huge chunk of cash (like $8 million a year. Just something far above the MLE and maybe even that wouldn’t be enough) and I have a hard time seeing him as a mentor.

Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.

by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm going to agree

I still think Ray Allen is still “pretty damn good”. When there’s a broken play for Boston, Allen is still able to put the ball on the floor and create something, whether it’s a shot for himself or for others.

If anything, he’s had to sacrifice his individual game for the Boston team. Before the trade, he was still putting up All star numbers.

The guy is also known for his pre game preparation, which would likely be beneficial for our wings to learn from as well.

Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."

by kingsfan300 on Jun 24, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

As jjham points out above the Kings have a lot of capable coaching staff.

Jerry Reynolds, Geoff Petrie, Paul Westphal – I think these guys have run this drill before. At least once. Part of being a coach is being teacher, mentor and parent. Add Coachie, Coach Elie, Jim Eyen, Truck along with the locker room and chemistry should work well enough to buffer problems.
Of all the things I have read, and have been repeated often here, is he is not described as a “bad kid”. Does he test limits? Yes. Is he an obedient drone? No.
The best the Kings can do is make an educated guess that he needs some more hair on his chest and time to get into the flow of a new and public life. If they think he can’t learn to be a part of the program and understand his role – then they should do the brave thing and pass him by.
I will repeat – his upside is high enough he deserves “special consideration” and that his value will remain high even if has a ten cent head to go with million dollar skills.

by betweentheeyes on Jun 24, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

well, westphal has some "red flags" concerning discipline

Maybe he’s learned from his Seattle days, but that got out of control with Payton and all them. Open rebellion, locker room fights, trades and firings.

I’m telling you, DMC will need his own assistant coach, and I’m not sure Shareef is necessarily the man. As I’ve said before, the current squad is a bunch of choirboys, if the Kings are lucky enough to nab Cousins, they’d better be ready for something completely different.

by basketball galactica on Jun 24, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

not a coach, but a mentor, perhaps

It is more delicate that a job assignment. Tough stuff finding the right guy. It will need to come from the locker room as much as anywhere.

by betweentheeyes on Jun 24, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

3 years, tops.

I like the idea of getting Ray at MLE, but not for more than that. I think he’d be a real nice weapon, given that he wouldn’t need to be the man.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Jun 24, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

"...lights out shooter..."

In at least one out of seven games. :-P

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by Jaycee on Jun 24, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Shiiiiiiiiit

You chase Kobe around for 45 minutes and then try and pop jumpers.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Jun 24, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wasn't aware of this.

Anyways, just a playful dig. He hits a few more and the [redacted] go home crying.

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by Jaycee on Jun 24, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

We should go after

Tony Allen, so we have a Kobe stopper. That would give Tyreke some rest on D.

by g4y Vulture on Jun 24, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Idea has some merit...

Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile

by Balky Needs on Jun 24, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

the Kings already have Dominic McGuire

and had Desmond Mason and Garrett Temple (aka the Masonic Temple expirement).

Let him score whatever he wants in the regular season. When the Kings are worried about getting through the Lakers and Kobe on their way to the title, then reconsider.

by betweentheeyes on Jun 24, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be terribly opposed

but how is his outside shot? whatever guard plays next to reke should have a descent jumper.

"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."

by SactoRyan on Jun 24, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Cisco is an asset in this area

Look how he took Omri under his wing, Omri who Westphal called “not ready for the NBA” during Summer League, and yet he was one of the more surprising rookies.

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by Aykis16 on Jun 24, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Cisco = naPBT

[not a Physio Ball Trainer]

Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile

by Balky Needs on Jun 24, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think Donte would be fine

as I stated below a guy like Donte will help show DeMarcus the happy medium between being a mature professional and being a 19 year old

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Jun 24, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

bryan gates is gone as an assistant

which opens up a spot on the bench that they can hand pick a guy to be a mentor for cousins.

Assistant Coach Scot Pollard anyone? LOL

by Madzillagd on Jun 24, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

And today's lesson...

…how to utilize funny hairstyle to grow your cult of personality.

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by Jaycee on Jun 24, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Might be better

To have a starter take him under his wing.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Jun 24, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

All very good ideas. Rec'd

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- John Wooden

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by Slam_Dunk on Jun 24, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree

Any business that’s investing a large amount of money (and an important asset in a top-5 pick) needs to protect that investment.

"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."

by otis29 on Jun 24, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Of course, but age and maturity draw a fine line in how this should be handled

Most 19 year olds don’t react well to ANYTHING being thrust upon them. I think it comes down to promoting a sense of accountability and mutually beneficial responsibility in a player, while doing your best to assist and encourage the player in whatever way possible.

"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."

by SactoRyan on Jun 24, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think there's a way of going about it in this instance

The Kings are going to need to judge his personality and what the best course of action is going forward. I don’t think it’s exactly rocket science – but I don’t think you just leave him be and hope he learns how to act “professional”.

"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."

by otis29 on Jun 24, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

exactly.

I got the feeling that they have done this with a lot of their players during the offseason. Like they took the “hey, you better get your work in over summer” attitude, and hoped the players would hold themselves accountable.

This might have worked with Kevin Martin, and a seemingly-responsible guy like Donte, but perhaps this wasn’t the best approach for guys like Hawes/Douby who never seemed to get better during the offseason. I don’t think you can take that chance on a high potential guy who came to the draft combine a bit out of shape. I think this shows that he would benefit more from a hands on approach.

"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."

by SactoRyan on Jun 24, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ultimately

I’m more worried about the offseason support. And if the player wants to be on his own program, he’s going to be on his own program.

This is when the player’s real feelings about keeping in top physical shape will be evident.

"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."

by otis29 on Jun 24, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am surprised that more coaches/GMs don't make offseason demands of their players

I know the players go through end of the season interviews, and I am sure they talk about what players can do over the offseason to improve, but for the amount of money players are being paid, I would assume that coaches and GMs would put expectations on their players.

Yet every year you hear about at least a handful of players reporting to training camp out of shape.

"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."

by SactoRyan on Jun 24, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

and regarding offseason support...

Tyreke is lucky to have such a strong group in Team Tyreke. I hope that this can be a model to other young guys like DMC, as an example of the benefits of surrounding yourself with responsible people who have your best interests at heart.

I would guess that many young rich athletes are hounded by blood suckers and kiss-asses on a regular basis.

"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."

by SactoRyan on Jun 24, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

what worries me about that though is

reke’s shooting is horrible. so for him to make a big improvement in that he needs to bring in additional help because using the same support group that got you to this level is not going to be good enough.

by Madzillagd on Jun 24, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

hasn't he been training with team usa though?

or was it that he was working with Derrick Rose and some other players this summer? I can’t remember, but I would assume that his play last year has got him into workouts with some serious NBA talent this summer.

At this point, Team Tyreke should be handling the business, blueprint, attitude and image. As far as improving basketball skills goes, I would think that they are over their heads at this point.

"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."

by SactoRyan on Jun 24, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

not sure

the team usa thing only lasts a week or so in vegas so i don’t think you are going to get much technique improvements out of that. more lessons in maturity and how peers handle themselves.

i know omri & kmart were using david thorpe – not sure if reke has a personal coach or not .

by Madzillagd on Jun 24, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe I should actually start paying attention to twitter

seems like a good place to find this type of info.

"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."

by SactoRyan on Jun 24, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

It can only benefit them to make development a franchise-wide priority.

Get Suns-level physical trainers and medical staff. Invest in specialty coaches to address some of the kids’ weaknesses.

If nothing else, it’s smart business sense. Protect your investment and maximize the value of your product.

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by Jaycee on Jun 24, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Like gentry and aaron nelson

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 24, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also, relatively speaking, the things you mentioned here are relatively cheap compared to other expenses you can have in the NBA

But I am not sure these are the things we’re talking about are they?

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

They should draft you. At least you've shown commitment.

But I agree how they handle Cousins if they get him will be critical. But that’s true of any player and not just him.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Grooming matters

No matter how much someone wants to succeed, the person who has better resources around is more likely to succeed.

Since the Kings organization should be wanting to do everything it can to succeed, it should provide every possible resource to their draft pick, so that the draft pick can succeed, and through him, the organization can succeed. Send that pick to big man camp, get world class teachers to work with him on footwork in the off season, and great shooting instructors to work on their shot, and it will help. If the draft pick doesn’t want to do the extra work, or try extra hard, the extra resources are wasted, but I think hiring a few coaches for $300k is a better risk than the $10 million on a once a year lottery pick having to figure it out on his own.

When I started at my first real job, my boss mentored me and showed me how being a consultant worked, which has lead me to the successful position I hold today. Yes, a large part of this success was my drive, and my willingness to do that extra stuff, but without that initial good guidance, I might not have ever learned to do those little things that make the difference.

by TheFifthMookie on Jun 24, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

My argument isn't that the organization shouldn't groom DMC or shouldn't push him.

It’s that DMC needs to show he’s ready for it. Or at something like that.

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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tyreke shows he's ready for it

and we love him for it – if DMC comes in here and doesn’t seem interested, it won’t matter what the organization does. Hawes is a great example of this, since he didn’t go to summer league, we have this impression that he didn’t want to work to improve himself, and nothing the organization could do would fix that.

by TheFifthMookie on Jun 24, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Even then I'm not sure that was the real problem but the perception

Spencer worked, but simply didn’t have the body to implement his skills at the NBA level. That’s all I got.

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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

I have a mixed understanding of that too – sounds like he hit the gym hard all the time, but it just wasn’t getting his body to that “NBA physique”. Still, not playing in summer league made him look like a slacker to the general public.

by TheFifthMookie on Jun 24, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes but perception is not typically the actual reality.

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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree and disagree

The Kings need to focus their attention on the maturity issues. I just read Amick’s article on the Kings being interested in him. He has a lot of interesting quotes from Calipari who basically said that Cousins is still a kid. He called him a “growing man.” This says a lot to me about those red flags. Those red flags do exists but they seem to be a product of youth and immaturity, things that will eventually go away. I do think it’s important for the Kings organization to help him in these matters. Some of Ziller’s suggestions are great. Especially some of the indirect involvement, like building a report with his agent and advisors or asking Donte or JT to take him under his wing, although I think this will happen naturally. I think Donte’s a better role model as he has had to mature quite a bit but is still a fun loving goof ball. Helping DeMarcus find that happy medium between being a mature adult (financial planning, conditioning, working on his game, etc) and being a 19 year old (hanging out with the boys, playing video games, etc) will pay dividends for the Kings.

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Jun 24, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with this V.

I think I just stated my position very badly. (What’s new.)

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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I couldn't disagree with you more, pookey

DeMarcus Cousins has never been an NBA player before today. The Sacramento Kings have drafted players and developed players into NBA professionals. The organization has the knowledge and experience, and thus the responsibility, to encourage, support, develop, and nurture Cousins (or any player they draft). To place the burden of development on the player is to set yourself up for failure.

People inherently want to be good at their job. There are exceptions, no doubt about it, but most people want to do well. Do you think Spencer wanted to be successful? Probably. Do you think he knew he’d be a better center if he got stronger? Probably. But did anyone put a support system in place to encourage him to get to the gym, to stick to a specific workout regimen, to hold him accountable? Probably, to a limited extent, but there could have been more.

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by Exhibit G on Jun 24, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

To place the burden of development on the player is to set yourself up for failure.

Totally disagree. The burden is on the player to get better. The franchise has to support the growth and find a plan that both player & franchise are on the same level with. Mostly though, the franchise has to be willing to support a players growth and give that player to grow. What a franchise CAN’T do is hold a player back.

I think the difference between what TZ’s original piece said, and where I’m at with this, is that I think the organization did try to help Hawes become a better player. It laid out a plan, told him what was available (hey Donte did it why not Spence?), and everything else. It just simply didn’t work. I don’t think that had much, if anything, to do with the business plan of supporting a young players growth. That has in my view everything to do with a player wanting to become a bonafide NBA whatever.

We can agree to disagree on this. But I don’t think the organization failed Hawes or Hawes really failed the organization. Ultimately, Hawes is not what the organization needs him to be. Both sides needed a fresh start. We’re better off.

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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Still disagree

I don’t think the organization failed Hawes. The organization failed itself. When you’re putting that much of an investment into a player, it is pretty damn stupid not to do everything in your power to help that player succeed. I don’t believe it is enough to say “Here’s a plan, the gym is over there, have fun!” You have to hold players accountable, while also supporting players when they encounter a setback.

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by Exhibit G on Jun 24, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Okay so how did the organization fail itself with Hawes?

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do you think they are happy with how things worked out with Hawes?

Probably not, except that he helped them get Dalembert.

Do you think there’s things they could have done to help Hawes be more successful? If so, they failed themselves.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jun 24, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not really no.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

It seemed like the coaching changes hurt the teams ability to hold hawes accountable.

The team wasn’t able to express their dissatisfaction with Hawes’ work ethic until this last season.

"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."

by SactoRyan on Jun 24, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

As a manager

your job is to put your employees in a position to be successful. All of the tools and support should be in place for DMC to reach his potential. Ultimately though, it will be up to the player himself to choose to take advantage of that.

by markdog333 on Jun 24, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with you, Pookey.

The team offers help and support, but the player must be the one to walk through the door. No matter how much support is available, the player must have the intrinsic motivation to buy into it. That is where I think Spencer failed. No one can force or force-feed someone to do the work, as that will only build resentment. If DeMarcus Cousins comes to Sacramento, he is going to have to bring along his own motivation and desire to go to the next level. Fortunately, he will have Tyreke as a role model from whom to learn. Tyreke not only takes advantage of the help that is offered to him, but he independently seeks out ways to improve.

I think you are right on in your assessment.

Personally, I believe if we are so fortunate to get DeMarcus, he is going to be fine. This is a young team, whose players are motivated to win games. Cousins is going to fit right into the mix.

I want to thank my psychiatrist. - Ron Artest, June 17, 2010, after winning NBA Championship.

Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
- John Wooden

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jun 24, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

again the kings make lemonade

Evans was the perfect pick at four. Gp may have been pressured into picking someone else last year if he had picks 1 through 3. Four was the perfect spot to pick evans. Same this year. I think cousins is a perfect pick that might be to risky of a pick 1 through 3.

It's all Jim Les' fault

by nakaisgod on Jun 24, 2010 10:07 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I don't see DMC as that risky, really

And I think people are going to look back at the fact that Evan Turner and (possibly) Wesley Johnson were picked ahead of him and wonder what in the world the GMs were smoking. This is 2002 all over again – Mike Dunleavy and DeJuan Wagner before Nene and Amare.

by nbrans on Jun 24, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Hey dajuan wagner scored 100 points in highschool had he not gone through those medical procedures

he would have been a legend, IMO

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by Bkj on Jun 24, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Disagree on that

Well yeah he scored 100 in a high school game but he wasn’t that overly impressive in college.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

But the guy could flat out score, definetly had the tools to be Iverson-esque

02 was a shitty draft: shitishvilli, jay williams, dunleavy

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 24, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well the shittiness of the draft doesn't really factor into whether he would be a legend

and yeah he could score 20 points a game in college while shooting around 41%, have a piss poor three point shot at the college level, and getting 3.6 assists a game while turning the ball over almost 3 times a game.

Sorry but he wasn’t that good. That one game in college did not mean he was destined to be a star.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was referring back to the comment above

I really liked wagner’s game; isnt that iverson-esque numbers? Did iverson shoot a great% from the field in his career?
When wagner was drafted I had some high hopes about him.

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 24, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Definitely agree nbrans

Hard to believe that Wesley Johnson is considered a top 5 pick.

Evan Turner too to a lesser extent. I can see him being a good player, but his lack of explosiveness will really hurt him. He needs to become a deadeye shooter to be a superstar.

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by Scirocco on Jun 24, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do we have any NFL experts in the building?

I know NFL rookies go through a whole conference thing to kind of babysit them and get them to be aware of things that can come up such as drugs, women, and financial planning. I also know that the NBA has something similar (only know this though because of the whole drug thing that happened there two years ago).

Basically, just curious if anyone knows the differences between how the NFL and NBA operate when bringing in the rookies. I get the impression that the NFL does more but technically I don’t really know.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 10:09 AM PDT reply actions  

NBA rookies get popped for smoking weed during their rookie seminar.

The NFL has a more structured offseason schedule. There is hardly a period greater than a month that the coaches don’t have their hands on the rookies.

by bignerd on Jun 24, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

5 hours, 48 minutes

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 24, 2010 10:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Wonderful article

The poem was a nice touch.

As for Cousins’ lack of a support system, I honestly foresee him being folded into Team Tyreke if he comes here. Cousins has mentioned more than once that he and ‘Reke are both a part of the “Coach Cal Family”, and I’d imagine DeMarcus not only has a bit of a history with Tyreke, but also with some of Tyreke’s crew (‘Reke and DMC being two of the highest profile basketball prospects over the past few years). The fact is, Tyreke is good for DeMarcus, and DeMarcus is good for Tyreke (in theory). I think Team Tyreke sees that opportunity, and I don’t think they would hesitate to expand The Blueprint to accommodate the big man. The results could be spectacular for us, and terrifying for the rest of the league.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 24, 2010 10:16 AM PDT reply actions  

They could be the next Stockton and Malone

but in this case Stockton’s not a dirty little bitch!

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Jun 24, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

In the offseason they can make buddy cop films

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

They both were tough as hell.

If someone could clone Stockton and give me the 19 year old version of him I would definitely be in favor of that.

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by Jaycee on Jun 24, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

runs in the family

my nephew was playing stockton’s nephew in aau ball a few weeks ago – plays just like his uncle, elbows, cheap shots, etc. my bro said.

by Madzillagd on Jun 24, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Stockton just flat out pushed me out of his way at a Pita Pitt once

It was awesome

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

You probably flopped

"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."

by otis29 on Jun 24, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The counter saved me

I think he also caught me staring at his hands. There was an article done by Ramsey years back talking about how huge Stockton’s hands were so of course I’m that idiot who has to look. They were sooo frickin huge.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

You know what they say about big hands....

HUGE gloves.

Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile

by Balky Needs on Jun 24, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Damn you!

I was setting up that joke

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

but for me!

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

or it could have been

that his hands were on his package at the time

by Madzillagd on Jun 24, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I could see this happening

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

By the way, this painting is awesome

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 10:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Run DMC!

If the Kings draft DMC, our official battlecry for next year:

Reke-DMC

by Scirocco on Jun 24, 2010 10:25 AM PDT reply actions  

You can bring a horse to the stream

but you cannot make him drink.

When all is said and done, it is up to Cousins to make things work. Of course, creating the environment where it is harder for him to fall/fail may help, but it is up to him (or any other rookie). If the Kings as an organisation need that they have to do a lot to create such a situation, it says a lot about how they perceive his red flags, and they may create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Protect your investment? Not the comparison I would use. When you hire an employee, you want to create an environment where he can succeed, not an environment where you minimize his risk to fail. That viewpoint is intrinsicly wrong, IMO.

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on Jun 24, 2010 10:29 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

we have a winner

spoken like a manager. Well stated RikSmits.

by betweentheeyes on Jun 24, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Two 20 year olds going 130 on the freeway

naw thanks

I know i don't know it all... its just what my parents call me

by Mr. Know it all on Jun 24, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yea I was being sarcastic

It would look good though in fast break.

by ZenBaller on Jun 24, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah maybe they can speed up to a pickup game together....

……rimshot.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Demarcus being in the car means the car wouldn't be able to get to 130

Perfect arrangement.

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by Aykis16 on Jun 24, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I definitely see DMC as being a grown ass kid

I watched the interview that was posted in the FanShots yesterday. He gives good answers but seemed kind of bored hearing the same old questions. But there were a couple of off the board type questions (one about his draft day suit and one about John Wall) and his whole demeanor changed. His face brightened up and he was laughing and joking. This reminds me of a kid. Ask him every afternoon “what did you learn in school today” and you’ll get the same bored “nothing” response. Ask him about a SpongeBob episode and suddenly they wanna talk. Same thing here. DMC is still young and has probably had a lot of pressure put on him from a young age that would normally be reserved for adults. Some handle it better than others. He definitely has some anger issues (although they may be slightly overstated) and some maturity issues. But there’s very little I’ve seen that show me he won’t grow out of them with a great support system, which he can and should receive here.

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Jun 24, 2010 10:39 AM PDT reply actions  

nice observation

I wanted to adopt, but all the good looking babies were taken

by joeytothelimit on Jun 24, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lets just hope we land Favors instead

Than we don’t have to worry about work ethic, commitment or weight issues. Only item to worry about is how fast Coachie can enhance Favors offensive game.

by bignerd on Jun 24, 2010 10:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Not a big fan of Favors with the Kings because

I see too many similarities between his game and JT’s. Do we really need two of them?

by Fredman on Jun 24, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

JT could stand to emulate DMC's footwork in the paint.

Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile

by Balky Needs on Jun 24, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

On a different note, Sam Presti is an absolute mastermind.

Look at his draft picks this year, just 1 year after the Thunder showed they can become a contender in the near future

The Thunder own the 18th, 21st, and 26th picks…..and thats just the first round.
They also have the 51st pick in the 2nd round!

OKC is going to be a top 4 team in the west next year, book it.

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by Surprise Team on Jun 24, 2010 10:56 AM PDT reply actions  

He’s adding three role players to the roster?

by bignerd on Jun 24, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

probably draft 3 big men

in hopes that one of them pays off

by Fredman on Jun 24, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

OKC was two games from being a top 4 game this year.

Getting 3 late round draft picks in an average draft isn’t making the clouds clap for me. If the Kings got the 2,3,4,5 picks in three drafts I would hope they improved. Luck has carried the day for OKC. Skill in using those picks correctly has turned out well.
Mastermind? maybe compared to DKhaannnnn.

by betweentheeyes on Jun 24, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want Cole to succeed so bad.

Just to shut people the F up about being white.

by caseycheesecake on Jun 24, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Um

Nick Collison, Kirk Hinrich, Raef LaFrentz, Scot Pollard, Greg Ostertag would disagree

by nbrans on Jun 24, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

And Ostertag was the worst of those guys by far too.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

all those guys are busts except hinrich and I think that the bulls had no other choice but to draft him; they needed a pg after jay william's

accident. Even tho his drafting might have been a stretch

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 24, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Busts?

Collison? No friggin way is that guy a bust. You must be crazy. Busts are not guys who don’t pan out. Collison has very much panned out over his career. LaFrentz you can argue was picked way too high, but guess what? That’s true of a lot of bigs. Which LaFrentz happens to be one.

Anyway, I disagree.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Collison was a lotto pick; what exactly has he done. Sure my analysis might be a bit too harsh

but what else are you going to call a lotto pick that has averaged 6 rpg and 7.8 ppg?

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 24, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

A guy who knows his role and plays defense.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

And being the 11th pick in the draft doesn't automatically guarantee you'll be a star.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

12th doesn't either

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

But that his averages dont warrant being drafted at the 12th pick; I take back calling him a bust

but there should be a word for that

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 24, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like for example, troy bell, marcus fizer, nikoloz shitishvilli=Busts

but what does that make a player like channing frye who was the 8th pick?

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 24, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who cares?

A solid role player is not a bust. Not every player will pan out. Not every player fails or becomes stars. That’s how the draft does actually work.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know this, I'm just trying to get a feel for the definition of bust

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 24, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't like the word at all. I think it's used too liberally and too often.

I like to think of it as players successful at the NBA level in what they are good at? And if they’re not, did the franchise make a real mistake in taking that player? If so, how did they respond?

That’s too complicated for most people though.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

exactly, you see, Darko had the intrigue, the athleticism, length, etc..

but larry brown (who is very extremely tough on rookies) refused to put time in developing darko; as the angry player darko was he became more distant. He never panned out because he never got a chance; he was on a championship team behind the wallaces. They had no room to spend on his development

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 24, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chris Bosh would have been just fine.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really dislike the fact that darko never got his chance; it could have been different. Bosh would never have gotten to where he is now; bosh plays well because

he is the only one on his team that can rebound and score

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 24, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

My view is

A player earns minutes when he’s ready to play. After 7 minutes, has Darko really earned those minutes? After 4 teams and 3 trades over his career?

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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

If they gave him a damn chance, sure. This article supports my point; you have to be willing to spend time on player development

larry brown refused, look at where d.j augustin is now/as well as geraldn henderson

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 24, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's a chicken or egg argument

Players earn minutes when they’re ready for them.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah but what about in Orlando or Memphis or Minnesotta

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

he got injured in memphis and he did surprisingly well with dwight in orlando

I remember when they playing like shit and darko got to the team and they closed the season out very well

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 24, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

He played great in minny

he is a surprisiongly good passer

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 24, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

For somebody who did well in Orlando....

…why was Orlando willing to badly overpay for Rashard Lewis after renouncing the rights to Darko?

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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Didnt rashard do a sign and trade?

anyway, obviously orlando wanted to go into a different direction; hiring a new coach and all. Time to build around the number 1 pick

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 24, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes but that was all cap space.

It really had nothing to do with Seattle getting a player back.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

What Seattle got Bkj

Was the TPE that allowed them to acquire Kurt Thomas for those 2 1st round picks Phoenix gave up to take Thomas off the Suns hands.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mean judging by this, it isnt fair to call fizer a bust because he was drafted into a horrible situation; elton brand at the pf

and artest at the small forward. What made whoever was the coach back then think fizer could play sf/pf when there were already two established players on the team

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 24, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fizer wasn't good enough to stick

It’s why he flamed out.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

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by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remeber when he beat the SHIT out of ucla

that guy was incredible in college. Same goes for troy bell.

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 24, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was shocked when Bell flamed out so fast

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

There were a lot players like bell; such as jr rider and joe forte

omar cook too

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 24, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dunleavy was great at duke too, lol

drew gooden, but he isnt a bust; just a surprising journeyman

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 24, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eh, wasn't very impressed with Dunleavy

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

But you probably were with jay williams, right?

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 24, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I liked him

but to be honest I liked him a heck of a lot more after his sophmore season.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol, so did aruajo

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 24, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

perkins does more than collison and was a late first rounder

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 24, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

whoopifrickindo

Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.

by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe Collison didn't live up to his "selection"

But that’s more about the Sonics making that pick than Collison himself. He’s doing what he’s being paid to do.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree, I shouldnt have called them busts perse

alll I was trying to say is that they didnt live up to their selections

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 24, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

You'll have players that get better players that get worse and players stay the same That's the history of the NBA Draft.

Jerry Reynolds.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

While we are on the subject of the 2003 draft class

man I hated Reece Gaines

Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.

by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sure you did.

I didn’t think Chris Paul would be great cuz he tapped Julius Hodges in the family jewels. Never making that mistake again I’ll tell you.

On the other hand the 5 players I thought would be the best players in 2005: Andrew Bogut, Deron Williams, Ike Diogu, Danny Granger and Andrew Bynum. Sometimes I wish I substituted Chris Paul in there. LOL

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

This

The guys listed all panned out and have played their roles fairly well. Sure, some of them have been overpaid, but that’s not their fault

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Jun 24, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sooooooo disagree with Pollard or Collison being busts.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dont remember much of pollard

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 24, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whaaaaa?

Photobucket

(j/k)

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

and how many made it to an All-Star game when they played?

So basically we are talking about role players. Definately not someone you spend a first round pick on

by Fredman on Jun 24, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

apparantly when you draft a role player in the first round they are failures

Good to know. Totally logical.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

When you draft lottery picks,

You should be drafting a player with the POTENTIAL to be an All-Star. Remember we are talking about the 10th pick at the beginning on this chain.

by Fredman on Jun 25, 2010 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Their wins will drop off some unless they add a true big man

They had a little luck last year, won too many of their 5 pt or less games.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jun 24, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

it really is amazing the amount of young talent they’ve been accumulating. Makes me sick and jealous!

I wanted to adopt, but all the good looking babies were taken

by joeytothelimit on Jun 24, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, a step in the right direction has already been made...

and that was Tyreke saying that he was going to the rookie summer league. It says that I want to be part of this team (as well as lose some money at the blackjack tables in Las Vegas). Is Tyreke and Cuz getting comp’d rooms at the Palms? Just curious.

I said a couple of weeks ago that I would love the Kings to get Cuz an assistant coach/mentor to work with him over the summer. Something like Olajuwon is doing with Whiteside. My personal recommendation would be David Robinson, but doubt we can get him away from his many activities in San Antonio.

by Fredman on Jun 24, 2010 11:05 AM PDT reply actions  

I'd vote for Sikma!

Although pretty sure he is still in Houston

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

maybe he could teach him how to get those cartoonish biceps

I wanted to adopt, but all the good looking babies were taken

by joeytothelimit on Jun 24, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

it all depends on performance

whether or not he is a headcase is not the issue – as long as he performs. teams kept taking a chance on ron-ron because he performed. teams don’t want to touch beasley because he hasn’t peformed. as long as DMC puts up the numbers it won’t matter if he is a headcase because somebody will be willing to take him on later hoping they can reform him.

by Madzillagd on Jun 24, 2010 11:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Everyone put up with Dennis Rodman

As long as he was getting me those 15 rebounds a game.

by Fredman on Jun 24, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

Never saw any team not putting up with Rodman?

Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.

by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Only using the guy's name because you brought him up

but yeah I don’t want Ron Ron with the 5th pick.

Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.

by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

there can only be one Ron Ron!

I wanted to adopt, but all the good looking babies were taken

by joeytothelimit on Jun 24, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

My computer screen

isn’t leaving StR at all today ….

by Dub_TC on Jun 24, 2010 11:13 AM PDT reply actions  

ya, I’m going to be terribly unproductive today

I wanted to adopt, but all the good looking babies were taken

by joeytothelimit on Jun 24, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

demarcus cousin’s recipe for disaster:

Ingredients
1 (3 pound) whole chicken, cut into pieces
1 cup all-purpose flour
salt to taste
ground black pepper to taste
1 teaspoon paprika
1 quart vegetable oil for frying
Directions
1.Season chicken pieces with salt, pepper, and paprika. Roll in flour.
2.Add 1/2 to 3/4 inch oil to a large, heavy skillet. Heat to approximately 365 degrees F (185 degrees C). Place chicken pieces in hot oil. Cover, and fry until golden, turning once, 15 to 20 minutes. Drain on paper towels

by boffacheerios on Jun 24, 2010 11:14 AM PDT reply actions  

That's a lot of work

These are much more time efficient:

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"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."

by otis29 on Jun 24, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the Lobster is available to mentor

:-)

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jun 24, 2010 11:22 AM PDT reply actions  

That'd be fine with me

Mikki, God bless him, knows what hard work is all about.

by Tom Ziller on Jun 24, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

true, Good Guy, bad hands

I wanted to adopt, but all the good looking babies were taken

by joeytothelimit on Jun 24, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe Mikki can teach DMC to be a happy person.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

What about K9?

I bet he’s available to mentor

If Ziegler blows a save... I'll flag his next post.

by gdub171 on Jun 24, 2010 11:37 AM PDT reply actions  

ha ha

yeah, lets keep him on the payroll!

"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."

by SactoRyan on Jun 24, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  



“Don’t Bother Me…….I’m Eating”

by boffacheerios on Jun 24, 2010 11:42 AM PDT reply actions  

I always think of that picture when people say "fat"

and I think “phat” is more like it.

Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile

by Balky Needs on Jun 24, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

DMC's Mentor

Hell, I’ve raised two teenagers and neither is in jail or dead – I officially request the Maloofs hire me to be DMC’s new big brother, counselor (I am a lawyer), and financial guru (I have a bank account), and I’ll even hire a local car service for both him and Tryeke (memories of Musslehead’s DUI keep creeping back). Any other volunteers. No more sitting on the sidelines and letting GP and PW run the show alone.

Toyota 4Runner with Kings record on the back . . . Anybody else want to give me crap about it????

by Record_on_SUV on Jun 24, 2010 12:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Ziller = Jinx

"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn

by 49er16 on Jun 24, 2010 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm gonna start the trend now

DeMarcus Cousins, NaHC

Not a Head Case

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Jun 24, 2010 12:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Hopefully we won't be saying NaSK

Not a Sac King tonight. I really want him to be there at 5. And then the next StR night we can all bring red flags.

Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on Jun 24, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Although, it might be doing us a Favor.

Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile

by Balky Needs on Jun 24, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

i wonder

When we are gonna see another epic Mike Murray list

LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.

by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 24, 2010 12:23 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

that was crazy

although I think it was really just a list of every center in the league. Minus Sammy of course.

by markdog333 on Jun 24, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

i was down in Sac visiting

And I just remember laughing at computer screen. Especially when someone said no way who did he have on list, and otis said some retired guys and high school seniors. I’m chuckling just thinkin about it.

LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.

by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 24, 2010 2:22 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

i was down in Sac visiting

And I just remember laughing at computer screen. Especially when someone said no way who did he have on list, and otis said some retired guys and high school seniors. I’m chuckling just thinkin about it.

LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.

by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 24, 2010 2:22 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Too much Boogie excitement

Are you sure you’re not setting yourself up for disappointment?
My one word for Monroe was Content…and I’m sticking to that.
I am also looking forward to the 33rd pick.

by getPGwithbounce on Jun 24, 2010 12:37 PM PDT reply actions  

I hope

luke babbit falls to 33

"And Solskjaer has won it!"

by 'tough as nails' spence on Jun 24, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we get Cousins at #5, I am hoping to get at #33

Greivis Vasquez 6’6" guard out of Maryland. 35.7% shooting from 3 in college. From Venezeula, so he will fit into the United Nation’s basketball team known as the Sacramento Kings.

But I think his last work outs got him into the late 1st round.

by Fredman on Jun 24, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

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