The Chicago Bulls have a deal in place that would move Kirk Hinrich and the 17th pick to the Washington Wizards, freeing up enough cap space to pursue two maximum-salary players on this summer's free-agent market, sources with knowledge of the Bulls' plans said Thursday. ... According to one source, the Sacramento Kings are prepared to make a similar deal with the Bulls in the Wizards' stead.
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Would we just be absorbing Hinrich’s contract?
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Rather have Posey I think.
Even though Posey is more expensive. Juju has never panned out and shown that he was worth being taken.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
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I think we'd have to take both, assuming the chicago deal is hinrich
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
Probably, but that's fine by me
Posey’s cheaper than Hinrich for the same amount. Julian’s got a qualifying offer for next year so he could be an expiring. Plus the pick is higher
#vfettkefordraft
yea, that's a far better deal obviously
- could even yield Xavier Henry
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
That would be sweeeet.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Jun 24, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Some salary has to go back in a deal like this
I can’t believe anyone would just absorb Heinrich’s salary to take the #17 pick in this draft.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
It would be completed after July 8th when the cap resets
That’s how Washington’s able to do it, they have the cap space
#vfettkefordraft
No, I get the process
I’m talking about it being a fair deal.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
We get a good defensive guard and the 17th pick
for nothing. Hinrich’s contract sucks but its only two years left. And it declines
#vfettkefordraft
Well, the money's not really "nothing"
I guess it depends on how you valuate Hinrich. Still seems steep to me.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Hollinger made a point
Wiz take back $17 million in salary to get No. 17. Thunder took back $2 million (Cook) to get No. 18. Bizarro land.
Yeah, exactly
You’d have to really really really really like Kirk Hinrich to do this. I think the FO may have been saved from themselves, unless the reason the Bulls took the WIzards’ offer instead of the Kings is that the Kings tried to make it Cisco for Hinrich/#17.
Could be the difference in conferences.
But, you think it would be steeper to trade in conference if that was the case. Maybe Wash just loves Hinrich?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Or maybe it's to help Wall & Arenas not grind on each other so much too.
That’s a big step in of itself.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Hollinger followed up with
Recanting last Tweet re:Wizards pending further information; I’m told there may be other considerations involved.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
or the Wiz sending something back to the Bulls
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
that would actually make the deal cheaper right?
what is it…1mil for a #33?
brockman made just under 500,000
last year and was the 38th pick i think so probably a little less than a mill for #33
huh? wha?
Thornton could be a nice addition.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
He should be.
But who knows. Lots of speculation about what the Hornets game plan is going to look like right now.
A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...
i dont think Chicago would make the trade
if they were receiving salary back in return, the only reason their making this deal is to free two max cap slots to entice LeBron to come their
Are there free agents you'd rather sign than Hinrich?
I think the 17th pick has enough value to make this enticing for the kings
wow lots of Hinrich hate...is it because of the contract?
he’s one of the best defenders at his position…above average play making abilities and a capabale 3pt shot. I agree that he’s overpaid.
i see...but that 17th pick could end up being
Henry, Bradley, George, Hayward or even Whiteside….a lot to choose from
we'll see what Petrie does...
whether the deal is made…it would seem that it makes more sense for the Kings w/ the Wiz drafting Wall and Arenas still under contract.
The bright side?
At least he’d be an expiring contract after next season.
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
It would expire 2 seasons from now.
My love for Buster Posey isn't unhealthy. Or at least that's what I keep telling myself.
by 8thInningWeirdness on Jun 24, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I phrased it awkwardly
But yes, I’m aware of that. The season following next season, he would be an expiring contract. 2 seasons from now, he would be an expired contract.
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
would he be a good system match?
or is Chicago a bad system match? A lot of people seem to like him, but I would thing his team’s would be more successful if he were that good.
I haven’t seen him play much, but it seems like just a couple years ago he was considered a big part of an up and coming chicago team. I don’t know what happened since then.
He's not that good.
Tolerable with the long ball. Mediocre to bad shooter from everywhere else. Plays hard, just like Noce, but his intensity and supposed defensive prowess hasn’t translated to any kind of success for himself or his team.
A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...
how many years does Hinrich have left?
My love for Buster Posey isn't unhealthy. Or at least that's what I keep telling myself.
by 8thInningWeirdness on Jun 24, 2010 12:46 PM PDT reply actions
Low risk veteran with a two year deal sounds good to me.
There is a good chance the Kings don’t spend this 17 million in cap space when it’s all said and done. I would rather nab a player like this and a pick and still have 8 million to maneuver with.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
***Update***
Cousins can be a major star.
PookeyGuru- June 23, 2010.
I'd rather take my chances in free agency
I think the Kings can do better.
by nbrans on Jun 24, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kings and free agents never seem to work out though...
who have we picked up in free agency that has panned out or not been overpaid?
Vlade
Salmons was only overpaid when he was first signed. Became a pretty decent deal later
#vfettkefordraft
Vlade is a good example....but of rare breed
from a basketball skill standpoint and as a person
to the naysayers....
Find a free-agent that’s not overpaid. Hinrich’s deal isn’t that bad compared to some of the other deals we’ve seen. Hell, look what we paid Cisco and Beno… Ramon Sessions got $17M to ride Minne’s bench.
I would do this deal in a heartbeat. The 17th pick allows us to pick up more young, inexpensive talent. And Hinrich would be an expiring after next year, too.
by misterbrister on Jun 24, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Think about it this way
Some teams are willing to spend up to $3M to get into the late first round. If we were “willing” to buy the 17th, what would it cost? Subtract that off of Hinrich’s deal, and it’s not as bad….
I realized that this is some non-GAAP, Enron-style accounting, but it allows me to be comfortable with the thought of getting another pick.
by misterbrister on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
As Ziller pointed out above
It cost $2 million for the #18. So you’re going to pay $15 million more for the #17?
as you've been saying...
it depends if you value Hinrich as a player…something the King’s front office might
Yeah I think that's a fair position to take
I think he’s cool as a player, but I think he would be a guy coming off the bench for the Kings, and I don’t know if that’s worth taking on his contract, extra pick or not.
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
The question is
Would Hinrich give you fair value at his salary, and does the team have a role for him?
If not, this deal makes no sense, unless you’re sending some salary back.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
beat me by 2 min
we’ve always coveted Hinrich’s…this makes a lot of sense. We have the cap space and need a combo guard with his exact abilities to shoot and defend
beat me by 7 min. lol
dont like this trade. too much money for 3 guards to be coming off the bench. beno, cisco, and hinrich wouldn’t start on any title contender team so why should we have one of them starting???
Doesn't make sense
unless both Washington and us both have asked Chicago to draft the same player. Would have to mean the deal even in principal is not yet complete and we are waiting in the wings with a slightly less appealing offer.
What I don't get is...
How many PG’s can Washington play? Between Wall, Hinrich, and Agent Zero, there just aren’t that many minutes to go around.
by misterbrister on Jun 24, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
he'd be a third string point guard on the Wiz
I’d say he’d slide ahead of Beno here.
I think Beno would be ahead of Hinrich
He was pretty good down the stretch last year, especially when Tyreke was out.
with our Coach....
they will probably split starts and sometimes both start
It might come down to
whoever didn’t talk smack about his rotations in the Bee the night before.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Could the deal with the Kings be for Hinrich, but for Washington
its for Deng? Washington is deep in guards. But the only forward that they have that I can name (J. howard) is a free agent. Getting Deng fills a void better than Hinrich does IMO.
yeah doesnt make too much sesne
it would really cut into our cap space for next summer right?
My love for Buster Posey isn't unhealthy. Or at least that's what I keep telling myself.
by 8thInningWeirdness on Jun 24, 2010 12:51 PM PDT reply actions
Cisco is expendable
Beno less so, but in any case we need to add another solid guard as part of a Tyreke-Beno-? rotation.
I’d rather pick up another pick in the teens and get someone from the Xavier Henry-Avery Bradley-James Anderson pool, but we could do worse than Hinrich.
Add a more experienced SF and we are suddenly a contender for a low playoff spot, and we’re playing games that suddenly mean something more than where we’ll be drafting next season.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
I agree
that #17 pick looks beautiful from here
yeah I'd love that #17 pick
but I’m not sure Hinrich’s contract is worth it. Wouldn’t we be targeting a guard with that pick? The Bulls won’t take anyone back because they’re trying to shed salary.
My love for Buster Posey isn't unhealthy. Or at least that's what I keep telling myself.
by 8thInningWeirdness on Jun 24, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Cisco is an important Glue guy
and he was just hurt in a freak accident last year.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 24, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Petrie should bust out with "I took Andres fucking Nocioni's contract from you! You owe me!"
#vfettkefordraft
by vfettke on Jun 24, 2010 1:05 PM PDT reply actions 7 recs
LOL
Too true.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
I like this rotation:
Tyreke/Beno
Hinrich/Beno/Cisco
Donte/Omri/Cisco
JT/Landry/Donte
Cousins/Dally/JT
#vfettkefordraft
and whoever we draft with #17
My love for Buster Posey isn't unhealthy. Or at least that's what I keep telling myself.
by 8thInningWeirdness on Jun 24, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Whiteside or Seraphin would be nice picks there
That way we have insurance at “shotblocking bigs” if Dali doesn’t work out or we don’t re-sign him.
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Whiteside would be a dream for me...
a developed Whiteside playing next to Cousins would be a crazy large front court with two complementary players….and there would be no pressure to resign Dally or overpay for Landry.
I like it!
suddenly we have depth at every position. I’d let Dally start until Cousins gets in shape though.
good potential move
that could produce the short term sidekick to Evans in Kirk Hinrich, and then alow us to draft the long term guy in maybe Avery Bradley, or Xavier Henry or Eric Bledsoe or someone like that. Also the Kings weren’t going to make any other big move with their cap space they might as well use this to get another mid 1st draft pick. If this goes through then 2 very good moves from Geoff PEtrie on the trade front.
Asinine trade
Get Hinrich and no.7, then trade Hinrich to Pacers for no.10.
At that point we could draft a guard (Bradley?) and whoever is available at 17.
I’d like to remember the asinine adjective in the title of the post
"Even when I’m old and grey, I won’t be able to play it, but I’ll still love the game." — Michael Jordan
Go Kings!
everything says deal is with wizards i thought...
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
The issue
We don’t expect the Kings to do much with cap space this summer (see: Dalembert move, adding salary this year), but they have been clearing the books for 2011 (see: trading Noc, Martin). Hinrich doesn’t expire until 2012.
I wouldn't call his a crippling contract though
We’d still only have Beno, Cisco, and Hinrich on contracts that aren’t on the rookie scale or a vet’s minimum (most likely) next summer (I think). Maybe Petrie and the Maloofs have decided that even next summer is too early, rebuilding-wise, to be thinking about having money to sign a big FA. Yes, it’s also about trade flexibility, not just FA signings, but we’d still have quite a bit of flexibility even with Hinrich. And he’d only be on the books for the first year of the new CBA.
There’s been a lot of chatter lately about the Kings wanting to add a veteran. Hinrich would give them a veteran that fills a needed role on the court (3rd guard, defender than can shoot) and he’s only under contract for two more years. That sounds better to me than signing someone for a little bit smaller deal per year for 3-4 years that is maybe not as good of a player, or some token vet that is there for the locker room presence but doesn’t add much on the court. By the time Hinrich’s deal ends (or he’s traded), we won’t have as much a need for a veteran presence, and we’ll have a better idea of what we have on our hands with all of our young guys and can start deciding on who we want to lock-in long term and who we deal with in other ways.
Bottom line, it improves the team and it’s not my money, so I say go for it.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 24, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
If the Kings made this type of deal
It shows you there is pressure to increase the win total substantially this season.
I still wouldn’t be keen about the second year of that deal, but it’s not horrifyingly bad.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Has anybody brought up that
The wizards will have Gilbert, Wall and now possibly Hinrich… seems like they are not really focusing on their problem areas.
right!
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 24, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Let's do this deal
and then trade Cisco and the 5 for the 10.
So now we have Hinrichs, the 10, the 17, the 33 and we’ve only lost 3.5 million of cap space this year, 2.2 million next year and we pick up 6.1 million in the third year.
Then we take Xavier Henry with the 10, Whiteside with the 17 and the BPA at 33.
Lineup:
Tyreke/Beno
Hinrich/Beno/Henry
Donte/Omri/Udoka
JT/Landry/Brockman/Donte
Dally/JT/Whiteside
The only problem is you’d be counting on a lot of improvement from your SFs.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
I like your other idea better
the one you didn’t post
by betweentheeyes on Jun 24, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 10 recs
If Cuz is considered a risk,
Then Whiteside is more of a risk of him developing an offensive game.
Yes, but you'd be drafting Whiteside as a backup and role player
not as the next Tim Duncan.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Sign me up for that as well
But if you’re expecting Cousins to be that, I think it’s pretty safe to say you’re setting yourself up for disappointment.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
contingency
i wonder if the contingency between us and the Wiz is whether either teams targeted player is still available at 17. Thus, e.g. if the Wiz have Whiteside in mind and he’s there they get the deal, but if he’s not and we have Bradley in mind and he is available, we get the deal? Only other deal like this that I would prefer is Collison/Peja. (NO might want a cheap asset in return).
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jun 24, 2010 1:19 PM PDT reply actions
who's
available at 17? Whiteside? Udoh?
"And Solskjaer has won it!"
by 'tough as nails' spence on Jun 24, 2010 1:22 PM PDT reply actions
A month ago....
if someone told you the Kings would have Dalembert, Hinrich, the #5 and #17 picks and would have given up Hawes, Nociono, and cap space as a trade-off, would many of us be too uset? Especially with the Kings never being a big free agency destination? That line-up has potential, and may look a whole lot better for other free agents.
by IamPurple on Jun 24, 2010 1:23 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Good points
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 24, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Amick:
A league source tells FanHouse the Kings have no interest in the Hinrich/No. 17 deal, and that it’s likely Chicago smokescreen 4 leverage.
http://twitter.com/samickFanHouse/status/16959291773
WHEW
by nbrans on Jun 24, 2010 1:32 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Is smokescreen the official word of the 2010 NBA draft?
"For five decades (and counting), these fans have been blessed with West, Baylor, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Shaq and Kobe. Seven of the 15 best players ever. At some point, the gravy train will end. The Lakers will bottom out like the Knicks did last decade, submarined by bad moves, poor signings and unlucky drafts. Their fans will flee in droves. Jack will pass away. The buzz will be gone. That's how the NBA works -- in a 30-team league, you can't always get lucky, not even if you're a big-market team with deep pockets. I don't know if that day is three years off or 30, but it's coming." Bill Simmons
This entire thing is a smokescreen. The draft isnt until next week.
ailene voisin is wack!
by Bambooozled on Jun 24, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 10 recs
OMG. Im all giddy. I got rec'd. I can now die a happy man!
ailene voisin is wack!
by Bambooozled on Jun 24, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
SMOKESCREEN!
I have nothing of value to contribute. Other than smokescreen has been used quite a lot lately.
by clicc916 on Jun 24, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahah...but maybe that is futher smokescreen by the Kings...
who want more from the Bulls?
With all seriousness
This might be a real smokescreen.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Right
Just too much to pay for the #17
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 24, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Please......
Get this deal done. The wizards already got handed the #1 pick. Hinrich would be perfect here.
KINGS WILL BE 10-11 CHAMPIONS
Apparently the Wiz would also give the Bulls 3 million.
Jesus, $20 million dollars just for the 17th pick. Wiz should just go try for the #2 by taking Brand.
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Hinrich to Wizards
…shoot. And I hear the Wiz are also signing Josh Childress? WTF!
ailene voisin is wack!
Looks like its official
The Chicago Bulls have agreed to a deal to send guard Kirk Hinrich and the No. 17 overall pick in Thursday’s draft to the Wizards, an NBA source confirmed. The trade was first reported by ESPN. League rules prohibit the trade from being completed until July 8 and it is unclear what the Wizards, who can absorb Hinrich’s $9 million salary into their available cap space, will send back to Chicago. However, though the Bulls will still pick at No. 17 on Thursday, they will be picking for the Wizards.
— Chris Mannix
Judgment day is coming!
I'm pretty sure that DMC's nickname is gonna have to be "smokescreen"
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Yes Please.
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