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Previewing the ROY and All Rookie Team Races


Yeah, it's very early.  But try telling me this isn't already way too much fun to start thinking about.  My rankings and thoughts below the jump.  It's worth noting up front though that this is not my projection of these player's long term value, only how they will fare this year.

Star-divide

1 - John Wall - People worry about Arenas, but other than the oft injured Arenas and Blatche they have no one else who can create.  I'm not too worried about Arenas either, even if he doesn't get hurt, the Wizards just used the #1 pick on Wall and are building around him.  He will get every opportunity possible to shine. 

2 - Blake Griffin - Still a monster, but will lose touches to Davis, Gordon and Kaman.  Still should have a monster year, but not sure he beats Wall.

3 - DeMarcus Cousins - Like Griffin, will lose touches to his teammates.  However, Sac will also get him his touches and his ability to finish and board means he's get a number of easy conversion opportunities and put backs.  Unlike the short armed Griffin, should get 1.5 blk a game as well.

4 - Evan Turner - Could easily flip him and Cousins, but will really depend on Turner's usage.  If the 76ers use AI, Williams, Speights, to create the offense than Turenr's lack of an outside shot probably limits his production.  If they feature Turner, he should produce enough to beat out Cousins.

5 - Jordan Crawford - This one is completely dependent on Joe Johnson leaving Atlanta.  If that happens than Crawford is suddenly a 6th man on a team who's only players who can create their own shots are Crawford, Teague and Horford.  In this lineup I'd imagine Crawford would get a ton of useage and minutes.  Whatever his long term value ends up being, he has a great chance to put up stats next year.

6 - Wesley Johnson - Probably a better player than Crawford, so this is not an insult, more about minutes and usage.  The Wolves loaded up on SFs and still have Corey Brewer.  In other words, even if Johnson plays efficiently he may not get the minutes at first to match the others' stats.  However, as the season goes on and Cousins, Crawford and others Khan passed on start playing well, I expect there will be pressure to get WJ minutes.

7 - Derrick Favors - May be raw, but has enough talent and will have enough opportunities to at least finish at 7.  I mean, I'd at least expect 10-7-2blk out of him this year.

8 - Ed Davis - Again, this assumes Bosh leaves.  If so he gets the lion's share of minutes in the front court with Bargnani.  This also means he'll be the primary rebounder, since that is not Bargnani's strength.  Just ask Biedren's what that can do for your rebounding numbers.

9 - Greg Monroe - Will get plenty of opportunities and minutes and has enough skill to put up some decent stats. 

10 - Luke Babbit - With Webster and Outlaw gone, Babbit should get the most minutes behind Batum.  Offensive stats tend to win over All Rookie Team voters.  That's Babbit's strong suit. 



Others to Keep and Eye On

Eric Bledsoe - Would take a Baron injury, but that's not uncommon.  If Baron goes down, Bledsoe should get enough usage to put himself in the discussion for one of the All Rookie teams.

Andy Rautins - I know laugh.  But he's a good shooter and passer with limited defensive skills.  Well, in D' Antoni's system those qualities are rewarded.  Also consider the Knicks gave ample time to Tony Douglas at PG last year.  If Rautins gets minutes, he could surprise people and put up stats in that offense.

Xavier Henry - If Gay leaves, he will get enough usage in Memphis to get on the 2nd all rookie team. 

Cole Aldrich - Was so overrated that now he might be underrated.  If he gets minutes on the Thunder front line, mini-PBilla could conceivably put up 8-8-2blk getting his points off dunks and o-boards.

Paul George - Noting like a player with a poor motor and bad shot selection.  Could surprise and put up good stats on a bad team, especially if Granger gets hurt.  Seems like a very realistic scenario though, so I have to stick him here.



I Guess I Should At Least Mention

Ekpe Udoh - Meh.  In a Nelson offense could get stats if he gets minutes.  But not sold on his skills.  He's a weak rebounder who can't really create his own shot and doesn't have a powerful enough base to be a great post defender.  Should also be battling Randolph, Wright, Biedrens, Tolliver and Turiaf for minutes.

Al-Farouq Aminu - Reminecsant of Gerald Wallace as a rookie.  No jump shot and can't create his own shot, but should have 3-5 of the top rookie dunks of the year.  Should also put up some decent rebound and defensive numbers.

Gordon Hayward - Nothing like a player with poor lateral quickness and a slow first step to get you excited.  After watching him have trouble consistently do anything against Duke, I think Butler's exciting tournament run obscured the fact that Hayward doesn't have any great NBA skills.  Was a good shooter his freshman year, so that could return, but not expecting much else.

Patrick Patterson - Should be a good contributor.  However, with Yao, Scola, Hayes, Buddinger and Hill he'll battle for minutes, much less statistics.

Craig Brackins - Intriguing possibility in NO with Paul setting up easy opportunities.  However, he's not much of a rebounder or shot blocker, so I'm doubtful he puts up the stats needed as a rookie to enter into the discussion.

Hassan Whiteside – Likely to see few minutes this year and probably have a couple of stints in the D-League.  Still, he will get some minutes and will tantalize fantasy owners and Kings fans as he gives us around 3 games with 4+ blocks.  However, this year is likely to be more of a preview of things to come.

Poll
Who's most likely to win this year's NBA ROY?
John Wall
74 votes
Blake Griffin
61 votes
Even Turner
13 votes
Derrick Favors
1 votes
Wesley Johnson
7 votes
DeMarcus Cousins
175 votes
Don't Care. I'm Bored. Just want to click something. Let's say the Hamburgler.
35 votes

366 votes | Poll has closed

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Wall is the obvious pick

there’s nobody on Washington, so he’s going to be the main guy. But, the problem is that there’s nobody on Washington. Wall as a PG needs to get the ball to other and keep the offense going. He’s not your main scoring option, and without the assists and defensive stats I just don’t see him scoring enough points to win.

The guy who can lead his team in scoring and improve the defense is Turner. Next to the Kings pick, Philly taking Turner was the best fit and filled the biggest need. Igoudala had a great year at SF 2 years ago. So with Turner creating and scoring, I think it will open up the court for Iggy to have a great year. Collins will make Turner the focal point of his offense just like Evans was with ours. I think Turner will lead all rookies in scoring and win ROY.

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by HighTops on Jun 27, 2010 4:48 PM PDT reply actions  

You could easily

be right about Turner if they do use him to create the offense.

I think you are underrating Washington’s offense a bit. If Wall can create, guys like Blatch, Arenas, Hinrich and Young will finish enough to help him get assists. Now he will probably have a lot of blown assists from some of the clowns on their team, like Reke did this year, but I think Wall can do 15-3-6-1.3

by SPTSJUNKIE on Jun 27, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Blake Griffin

I would say DMC but now that Camby is shipped off to Portland, Griffin has only Kaman to compete against. He should start right? And I imagine him slipping to me pretty late in my fantasy draft to be one of my best steals.

by caseycheesecake on Jun 27, 2010 5:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Griffin: 14-9
Cousins: 16-10 (If Taj Gibson can do it, DMC can do it – and in a lot less minutes)
Wall: 16-4-5
Turner: 13-4-4
Favors: 10-12 (DMC would have best rebounding # if he got Favors’ minutes)
Johnson: 12-3-2

by caseycheesecake on Jun 27, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait a minute

If those are the numbers, than how does Griffin get ROY? Especially since Cousins should have more blocks and Wall more steals.

I agree with a lot there though. My guesses would be:

Griffin: 15-8
Cousins: 14-7-1.5blks
Wall: 16-3-6
Turner: 12-5-3.5
Favors: 10-7
Johnson: 12-3-2

Really, my main quibble with your numbers would be 12 boards a game for Favors. That would make him a top 3 rebounder as a rookie and he’s sharing the front court with Brook Lopez who is a pretty good rebounder himself.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Jun 27, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

14-7 is close to what Brian Grant averaged in 28 minutes per game as a fine rookie for the Kings back in ’94. (looked that up for something to compare to).

Anyway, I think Cousins will do better than that, probably closer to the 16-10 that caseycheesecake offers.

put me in, Coach

by LaBradford on Jun 27, 2010 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would be very happy with 16 and ten.

Very happy

LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.

by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 27, 2010 8:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'd be happy with 8 and 5.

DMC’s not going to get many minutes, and now that we’ve drafted him, I suddenly care about his poor conditioning after 6 weeks of telling other StR followers that his conditioning should be fine.

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by napg on Jun 29, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

how many minutes do you think he'll get, napg?

i know we have a lot of bigs now, but don’t you think the organization wants Demarcus to get a lot of playing time and to develop him?

Demarcus is a big part of this team’s plans, so i’m not sure about the “DMC’s not going to get many minutes” part.

Westphal and Petrie seem to expect him to be a big contributor this year, and they will get him conditioned with their training staff to make sure he can handle these minutes.

put me in, Coach

by LaBradford on Jun 29, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

How he plays defense will have a bigger impact than conditioning.

Dalembert was brought in because of his interior defense. Cousins will have to match that to get starters minutes at Center. Every thing PW has done and most of his rotations scream Defense.

But, don’t get locked in to DMC only playing Center, I think he will see minutes at PF also. I like a starting lineup of SD and DMC against Gasol and Bynum.

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by HighTops on Jun 29, 2010 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

ooh, that's gonna be fun

to watch our new frontline match up with Gasol and Bynum

put me in, Coach

by LaBradford on Jun 30, 2010 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

The main difference is

while DMC is more talented, Grant shared the front court with no one and the only other high usage player we had was Richmond. DMC will be splitting time with Sammy, Landry, JT, Brock and Whiteside. And we have a lot more offensive weapons than we did Grant’s rookie year. Great for the Kings, but not great for DMC’s numbers.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Jun 27, 2010 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes, great point SPTSJUNKIE

i was keeping that in consideration. Cousins will definitely be splitting time with a bunch of contributing bigs.

I’m being optimistic that he’ll have a very good year and produce really good stats even with that division of playing time.

put me in, Coach

by LaBradford on Jun 27, 2010 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Food for thought

DeMarcus Cousins had a better Offensive Rebound Rate in his freshman year of college than the Brock Ness Monster did in 4 years. DMC is going to get a lot of boards, on both ends of the court. He’s a rebounding machine.

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by Aykis16 on Jun 27, 2010 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

i agree Aykis

i didn’t get why some people would think he won’t get many rebounds in the pros, the way he did in college.

NCAA players are smaller, yes, but the way Cousins rebounds is similar to Brockman’s—he uses his big butt to knock people out of the way. additionally, he has long arms and good instincts of where the ball is going. he could be a bigger, longer Brock Ness.

put me in, Coach

by LaBradford on Jun 27, 2010 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he's a bigger Brock

then there’s no hope for the rest of the league :)

by SPTSJUNKIE on Jun 27, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey to all of you; Blake griffin's brother is having a better career (so far)

I think the roy will be cousins

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 27, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

so is this the mythical brokness with a few extra inches jerry talks about?

by shakalaka on Jul 1, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

(Jerry talks about the Brockness, but Aykis is the one who originated that awesome moniker).

put me in, Coach

by LaBradford on Jul 3, 2010 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

ATTN PEOPLE: BROOK LOPEZ IS A HOOOORRIBLE REBOUNDER!

And I hate him. He destroyed my fantasy team. He did well at the beginning last year and sucked the second half.

That’s why I got Favors getting 12.

Also I’ll change Griffin to 15-10.

by caseycheesecake on Jun 28, 2010 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Voted Blake Griffin

He has the hunger, skills, and opportunity to succeed. And I’m assuming that last year’s year off has shaped him into a much improved jump shooter. He couldn’t do much else for much of the season than practice shooting. Rookie Griffin with a much improved jump shot should be an immediately impactful player.

Let us usher in the era of Reke DMC!

by Shizzo on Jun 27, 2010 6:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Going with Boogie.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jun 27, 2010 7:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Why DMC?

Blatant homerism or epic analysis?

by SPTSJUNKIE on Jun 27, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is his nickname.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jun 27, 2010 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Added...if it is good enough for him, it is good enough for me.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jun 27, 2010 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lol

No I get that’s his nickname, I mean why do you think he’ll win ROY?

by SPTSJUNKIE on Jun 27, 2010 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh! I think he has as good a chance as any of them.

He had the highest Player Efficiency Rating of all rookies. I think his red flags kept him from being drafted first.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jun 27, 2010 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Calipari mentioned that guards tend to have better chances at getting ROY honors because they access the ball more (or something along those lines). so, maybe Wall will win it

i hope DMC gets it. maybe with his fire, and that chip he has on his shoulder, he’ll make it his mission to dominate. he said one of his goals was to win ROY.

put me in, Coach

by LaBradford on Jun 27, 2010 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've heard that too. Guards have a better chance of getting ROY

That gives Wall an edge. We will just have to see what DMC does with it.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jun 27, 2010 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

i'm biased...

i chose DMC..i actually think it could be Blake Griffin if he is healthy.

by anthonysam on Jun 27, 2010 9:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Hey, you know what they say about ekpe udoh is very similar of what they said about stat so I think you should give udoh a chance; I know the warriors have NEVER gotten a big man pick down right

but I think that their fortune might be changing with randolph, wright, udoh, curry, and ellis
anyway a list of bum big men draft picks by the dubs include: adonal foyle, patrick 0’bryant, and chris washburn; I know there are more but this is just to list a few

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 27, 2010 9:38 PM PDT reply actions  

yes, the way in which ekpe udoh is described now was how Amar'e was described

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 27, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eh

Not sure about that. Amare was a physical beast, but he was raw and had gone through about 5 high schools to graduate. He had more character red flags. Udoh is a senior in college, so he is much older than Amare, and I just don’t think his game will translate very well to the NBA.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Jun 27, 2010 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Granted not the best comparison but the qualities are there: weak rebounder, poor post defender,

good shot-blocker; you never know, don nelson does a good job at mining talent. Maybe they should put him in charge of drafting, I mean his judgement imo, is very sound

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 28, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Griffin has a great chance

But he’s on the Clippers. If I was a betting man, I’d say some kind of freak injury will keep him out for the majority of the year again. Kinda like a smaller Greg Oden.

Either that, or he’ll be a bust like Olowakandi. The Clippers have a nasty habit of picking those

by drex783 on Jun 27, 2010 9:48 PM PDT reply actions  

BG will DEFINITELY not be a bust

If he’s healthy, he’ll produce. There’s no doubts about it.

Let us usher in the era of Reke DMC!

by Shizzo on Jun 28, 2010 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I took Griffin

He likely would have been the #2 pick in this year’s draft, and he has spent a year with his team, and has a head start on adapting to NBA life.

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by section214 on Jun 27, 2010 10:25 PM PDT reply actions  

wall is good

Although i think cousins will be one of the top 2 players from this class, I don’t see him getting rookie of the year. Wall will have a go at Reke-like numbers (19-4-7 i bet) and Griffin is already NBA ready, as are Turner and Wes Johnson. But the biggest thing that i think will hinder him is our overcrowded frontcourt. I assume we will trade Dalembert at the deadline now that we have Whiteside, who is basically a younger, uber-raw version of Dal. This would let Cousins really open up in the latter part of the season and maybe take a run at ROY. Plus, for the first few months we will be experimenting to figure out what works and what we want to do at the trade deadline. With an expiring contract like Dal’s we could land someone pretty valuable to compliment our young core so we’ll be trying to figure out what really works for a little while. Once we get it down he’ll get more reps.

by smiliege on Jun 27, 2010 10:50 PM PDT reply actions  

I think you are right

Although I wouldn’t be surprised to see us trade Landry instead. Reasonable contract and any quality team would want him, but he’s also going to demand a bigger, longer contract than we might want to give an undersized PF. Undersized bigs have shorter career arcs.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Jun 27, 2010 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Reasonable contract and any quality team would want him"

Which is why we’ll probably keep him.

My two cents on ROY = Wes Johnson.

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by PhutureKings on Jun 28, 2010 3:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see Wes Johnson even in the top 3 when it all comes down to it.

All he can produce is PPG. Marcus Thornton had that last year and barely made the top 10.

by caseycheesecake on Jun 28, 2010 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry

can’t see Wes getting it. You could be right, but he’s too 1 dimensional. Can be a good player in this league, but have a hard time seeing him winning over a more multi-dimensional player like Wall, Griffin, Turner or Cousins. Any one of them I could see if one of them fails to impress, but I have to think 1 of those 4 will work out and pay dividends this season.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Jun 28, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Landry is an UFA, he isn't going to have any value at all in a trade.

He only makes $3M, so as an expiring contract he’s going to be of little value. And, since he doesn’t have to stay with the team that trades for him, they’re not going to give up anything unless the deal is a S&T.

That’s doable but it will depend on the offer he gets and whether or not his agent believes he can get a better deal on the open market. I’d put the chances that the Kings can trade him at less than 50/50.

Dalembert poses the same problem being that he’s also a UFA. But, I think the Kings will try and resign him rather than trade him. Cuz can play PF and Sam is better as a backup center than JT. JT’s best position IMO is still PF, so with Landry gone we’re left with 2 centers SD & Cuz and 2 PF’s JT and HW. That’s the lineup with the most height and upside.

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by HighTops on Jun 28, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

IF that was the case

and I can totally see that happening (Kings not resigning Landry) I’d like to at least get a draft pick for him or something of that nature.

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by edm7 on Jun 28, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

May be hard

without resigning him ourselve, the only way we get anything is in a S&T. The problem with that is that it would have to happen before the trade deadline. After the deadline you cant trade a player that has an expiring contract or possibly expiring contract such as an ETO, player or team option.

So, if we don’t trade or resign him before the trade deadline, then we have to resign him during the following years FA signing period. His agent can solicit bids from every team in the league. We won’t know what bids he is getting so we’ll probably have to decide what the max we’re willing to pay and make an offer. And, that won’t guarantee we won’t be outbid. In fact we could have the highest bid and he still might believe that Sac isn’t were he wants to be and go somewhere else.

I just feel that if we don’t trade him, we’re going to have to overpay him to keep him.

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by HighTops on Jun 29, 2010 2:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think that Landry is very tradeable

He has proven that he is capable coming off the bench, and his contract is so small that virtually any contender could easily deal for him. Put another way, how much better off would Cleveland be right now had they been able to deal for Landry instead of Jamison?

I think that Landry will have a limit on his value since he is expiring – perhaps a young prospect or a latter 1st round draft pick. But the fact that his contract is so small and his talent will immediately help a team could make him attractive to a lot of teams.

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by section214 on Jun 29, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's going to turn 27 this year

and will probably require a 6 year – 42-48 million dollar contract. Investing in an undersized PF at that point seems risky. Small front court players tend to have shorter career arcs and one injury can be really devastating.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Jun 29, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because at the end of the year he's an UFA.

which means he can accept any offer he wishes and we don’t have the right to match the offer to keep him.

Once he becomes a FA, we’re going to end up in a bidding war without knowing who or how much the other bidders are offering. So, we could end up losing him and end up with nothing for KMart.

So we have 3 options: overpay to resign him, let him go, or trade him and get something out of it. Plus now we have the same problem at PF that we had at SF. If you consider that DMC, JT, NW, Brockman and Donte can all play PF, and that DMC now has the potential to be the low post threat that Carl was, Carl could be considered expendable. Especially, if we’re going to have to over pay to keep him.

So, the best option may be to try and trade him while he’s still under contract.

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by HighTops on Jun 29, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very tradeable?

are you talking S&T or trade straight up? Because as an UFA, I wouldn’t be willing to give up a pick or a young prospect without knowing I was guaranteed to resign him.

Now, I believe that if he was traded the team he goes to would retain his Bird Rights since this is the 3rd year of his contract. But, I don’t know how important, the abilitity to go over the cap is going to be with the new CBA going into affect. Though even having Bird Rights won’t guarantee that your the team that he will resign with.

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by HighTops on Jun 29, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

All of the stuff that you're worrying about

goes out the window if a contending team is approaching the trade deadline and deternines that Landry is a difference maker. If a team is making a grab at the brass ring, a mid to late 1st round pick or a young prospect is a small price to pay.

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by section214 on Jun 29, 2010 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

This would let Cousins really open up in the latter part of the season and maybe take a run at ROY.

I’m really looking forward to the spate of StR posts arguing that season-long consistency is less important in ROY consideration than a remarkable second-half push.

by lead_pipe on Jun 28, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lol

That would be funny. Really just depends how good everyone else is. A late season run can be enough to win, though not if someone is as consistently excellent as Reke. However, if someone is as consistently good as say Taj Gibson was last year, then yeah it’s a balance of total production and consistency.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Jun 28, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm gonna go with Griffin

He actually has the chance to turn that dismal franchise around. By all accounts he’s a workhorse, and he will not settle for the type of disinterested bs that was the Clippers near the end of last season, when only Eric Gordon was trying.

Cousins would’ve had a better chance in my mind if we didn’t just trade for Dalembert. Dalembert is going to be the starter I think, because Westphal’s whole thing last year was trying to get Spence to be a defensive presence in the middle.

Wall is going to have a good rookie season, and I’m thinking better Russell Westbrook type numbers in the first year. Turner is probably 2nd behind Griffin on my Rookie of the Year preliminary race.

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by Aykis16 on Jun 27, 2010 11:14 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm def. going to say that the clippers will not turn their franchise around even if they landed kobe and nash to play on the same team; their own is too much of a cheap fuclking bastard to let the lord allow them some leeway

You have seen what has happened to the suns’ who have a stingy oowner as well as the bobcats but here we haev a human scum; no way in hell griffin, God, or any combunation of the past 11 mvps

Draft Day 2009: I was in a Detroit theater about to watch the Hangover when my cousin texted me telling me who the Suns had drafted. I texted him back asking him who the F*ck that was. I shed a tear and told myself: The Suns are going to suck next year and Amar'e is going to be traded and my life ruined. 12 Months later to the day I am looking back at the Suns incredible playoff run to the Western Conference Finals.

by Bkj on Jun 27, 2010 11:24 PM PDT reply actions  

So I guess that mean, Ronald McDonald= Javaris Crittenton

DeMarcus Cousins with the rebound, outlet pass to Tyreke, alley-oop to Donte Greene! Put it in the books and send him to the line!!!

-The dream of a great young core for years to come!

by Robby1987 on Jun 29, 2010 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

DMC manhandles smaller guy

after watching this footage of DMC just manhandling a smaller dude, I have no doubt that he’ll be something to watch this season:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQPIN25K_2o&NR=1

put me in, Coach

by LaBradford on Jun 27, 2010 11:35 PM PDT reply actions  

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jun 28, 2010 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Shoot a free throw!

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by Aykis16 on Jun 28, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Vegas Odds on ROY

Bodog Rookie of the Year odds:

John Wall 5/2
Blake Griffin 11/4
Evan Turner 3/1
DeMarcus Cousins 6/1
Wesley Johnson 15/2
Favors 10/1

So if I put even amount on both Wall and Griffin and either one wins, I will still make a little cash. Only person on that list that might worry me is Cousins, but I have a feeling that he is going to be like Curry was last year. Start off slow and then come on hard during the last half of the year.

by Fredman on Jun 28, 2010 6:19 AM PDT reply actions  

TWSS

…for “come on hard.”

"Where hope goes to die"

by napg on Jun 29, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

My take

I do not think that DMC is going to get enough minutes to put up ROY numbers so therefore he won’t win. Wall will likely be a front-runner for most of the year but to me it comes down to how healthy Blake Griffin is and how much PT does he get. People are seeming to forget how awesome of a talent Griffin is and how dominant he has the potential to be. Heck, if healthy, and you had to choose between DMC and BG, I’m not sure who’s I’d pick. I think I would have to go with Blake although DMC likely has the higher ceiling. DMC could be better than Griffin, but DMC could also crap out. Blake Griffin will have a solid if not all-star NBA career.

by Mityt on Jun 28, 2010 10:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Talent is important but the team and how you fit is more important.

Tyreke was the only player we had and PW made him the main guy. He took the ball and won ROY. If Evans had be drafted by any of the top 20-25 teams in the league that didn’t need him to take over the game, Curry would have won. The old real estate theory applies Location, Location, Location.

Last year Gooden got 15 & 9 with the Clippers, and I see no reason BG can’t do as good or better. Whether that’s good enough to win is still in question.

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by HighTops on Jun 28, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Evan Turner

I think Philly could be suprise team. Doug Collins may get them to listen for one year. They will have turnaround in Standings, much like Bucks did last year. and since nobody will be avg. 20-5-5, then Evan Turner will Average, 15-4-4. and he will have an all around game.

of course This is just a guess that nobody sees coming. or Laughs at this possible outcome.

Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.

by Shadrack on Jun 28, 2010 11:37 AM PDT reply actions  

As the only real shooter on the team, I think Turner is the most likely rookie to average 20ppg

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by HighTops on Jun 28, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I say BG but...

In an unperfect world, I have some players who might challenge one of the more hyped rookies.

1)James Anderson-He is on a good solid team with a lot of veterans who will compete. He will work into the rotation and benefit from Duncan and Ginobli playing their games and meshing with his.

2)Luke Babbit-I know he isn’t gifted athletically like most people want their players, but the kid can fill it up. I think he may lead all rookies in scoring depending on the playing time he gets, which may be ample if Gomes is bought out. Plus, my tee time is 7 minutes before his tomorrow, so I am going to talk to him (though it has no influence on his play)

3)Cole Aldrich-He has some solid star potential around him, I think he will be able to get lots of boards, blocks, and put backs which could make him stand out among rookies this year.

4)Avery Bradley-Playing alongside Rondo will make that frontcourt a terror on defense. I believe he has some skills which Boston can utilize to their fullest this year and allow him to be a Russell Westbrook type guard.

5)Al-Farouq Aminu-He is really raw on offense, REALLY raw. But he can defend, and rebound, and is an amazing athlete. In the Clippers Line-up with Griffin, Kaman and Gordon, he could stand out and get some great numbers his first year with transition points.

Not the likeliest to happen, but I could see a crazy scenario happen for one of these players.

by oakland9 on Jun 28, 2010 4:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Aldrich is pretty much exactly what the Thunder need.

Though I’m not convinced Green is really that good for them. But with the rest of the lineup, that’s not a big concern.

I hope you’re right about Babbitt, but I’m not sure how much time he gets behind Nicolas Batum and Brandon Roy. Especially with Webster cleared out to make room for Batum. Of course, Blazer fans are really high on Batum, not sure if anyone else is.

"[S]ince men enjoyed very great leisure, they used it to pursue many kinds of commodities unknown to their fathers, and that was that first yoke they placed upon themselves without thinking about it, and the first source of evils the prepared for their descendants. For, besides continuing thus to soften body and mind, as these commodities had lost almost all their pleasantness through habit, and as they had at the same time degenerated into true needs, being deprived of them became much more cruel than possessing them was sweet; and people were unhappy to lose them without being happy to have them." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau

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by T Darkstar on Jun 28, 2010 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Batum is lockdown on D

But he will not even get close to Babbit offensively. There comes a point where shutdown D isn’t as important as a guy who will hit the open shots for you. Batum should still be getting ample time, but I think Babbit steals a good portion of minutes if he gets off to a good start.

by oakland9 on Jun 28, 2010 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree to a point

Babbit has clear offensive value, but Batum is not useless offensively. Not like having Orion Green back on the court.

Almost the inverse, I think Babbit’s time will come down to how effective he can be defensively. We know he can probably shoot and score at a NBA level, but it he can’t defend, he’ll be hard pressed to get off the bench

by SPTSJUNKIE on Jun 28, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I think Batum has offensive upside. I guess I think it is more realistic that Babbit will learn to play better defense than Batum learn to shoot and score better. Babbit is a really underrated athlete who is long enough that the quicker 3’s could still have trouble getting around him.

by oakland9 on Jun 28, 2010 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll second that.

Batum has range, and a good shot. In last year’s Euro-whatever, he was France’s leading scorer… I think. I didn’t pay much attention. But last season Blazer fans saw that when he got the ball, he could indeed score. But there were very few plays run for him. That said, we don’t necessarily need a scorer at the SF position. I certainly doesn’t hurt if he can, but that’s not the position Portland plans on scoring the majority of their points from.

Also I think you’re right about Babbit. If he can defend, he’ll get time. If he can’t time will be sparse.

"[S]ince men enjoyed very great leisure, they used it to pursue many kinds of commodities unknown to their fathers, and that was that first yoke they placed upon themselves without thinking about it, and the first source of evils the prepared for their descendants. For, besides continuing thus to soften body and mind, as these commodities had lost almost all their pleasantness through habit, and as they had at the same time degenerated into true needs, being deprived of them became much more cruel than possessing them was sweet; and people were unhappy to lose them without being happy to have them." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau

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by T Darkstar on Jun 28, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah agree

while I don’t think he’s more than an average scorer at the NBA level, you guys have firepower. He’s a good defensive presence at the 3. If he can improve his Bruce Bowen corner 3, he’s going to be a very high end role player for a long time. I like the kid a lot.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Jun 28, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

At a certain point

should Derrick Favors be embarrassed to be losing to The Hamburgler? Can we just make that Favors new nickname here so this doesn’t look so bad?

by SPTSJUNKIE on Jun 28, 2010 6:34 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

the correlation might get lost later down the road when this post becomes obscure memory, but that is hella funny. i’m on board for calling him The Hamburglar.

put me in, Coach

by LaBradford on Jun 28, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I almost think it will become funnier when everyone forgets this post. On the .000001% chance the nickname sticks nationally, there will be tons of rumors and questions about where it came from. The anonymous origins would be hilarious to me. then again, I’m a sick jerk, so take that for what it’s worth ;)

by SPTSJUNKIE on Jun 28, 2010 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you guys got a steal, getting Cousins at #5.

I think he does have a real shot at ROY this year. And I like how the Kings are shaping up in the next few years. Next couple will be time to grow and mature, but dang that future is looking good.

And in a strange way, that disappoints me. You see, I have made a habit of rooting for underdog teams. And at the rate you’re going, I’m going to have to stop soon. But no worries. I’ll ALWAYS be a Clippers fan.

"[S]ince men enjoyed very great leisure, they used it to pursue many kinds of commodities unknown to their fathers, and that was that first yoke they placed upon themselves without thinking about it, and the first source of evils the prepared for their descendants. For, besides continuing thus to soften body and mind, as these commodities had lost almost all their pleasantness through habit, and as they had at the same time degenerated into true needs, being deprived of them became much more cruel than possessing them was sweet; and people were unhappy to lose them without being happy to have them." -Jean-Jacques Rousseau

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by T Darkstar on Jun 28, 2010 8:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah as the current powers in the West fade

Portland, OKC and Sacramento appear to be positioning themselves as the future of the Western Confrence, although a lot can change in a year or two.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Jun 28, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I expect Blake Griffin to have a monster year

I am really looking forward to watching him play.

I bet he is hungrier then any other rookie, and is really ready to show why he was selected number 1 over all a year ago. I think he’ll be a force, my pick for ROY

by The Guy on the Couch on Jun 30, 2010 8:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Should be interesting to see how

quickly he can recover from his injury though. David Thorpe brings up a good point in his rookie rankings about both physically and mentally recovering from this type of an injury. If it takes Griffin a couple of months to fully trust his body and play full speed again, it could tilt the scale in Wall’s favor.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Jun 30, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blake Griffin... I totally forgot about that guy...

Being a Clipper will do that I guess.

I think that people severely overrated Chris Kaman as a player. His TS% is right around 50% and that is god awful as a center. I was over at the Celtics blog and they were talking about adding him but those damning statistics came up and made it apparent that his ppg + rpg are very skewed. I think that if the Clippers are to do the right thing (they won’t.) they’d run nearly all their post offenses through Blake Griffin instead of Kaman. If they do, he’ll have a great year going for about 16/8 I think.

But if they don’t then its Wall who is the man in Washington and he’ll have to carry them in a Seattle-Durant-esque fashion.

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by Schneezel on Jun 30, 2010 1:24 PM PDT reply actions  

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