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StR Community Free Agent Board, Pick 4

LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh are the first three picks on the community free agent board. Assuming the team will not get those top three, who'd you go after next, assuming all other free agents are available and taking the current Kings roster into account?

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With the next choice, I'd take:
Dirk Nowitzki
194 votes
Joe Johnson
366 votes
Amar'e Stoudemire
65 votes
Carlos Boozer
11 votes
David Lee
59 votes
Other
97 votes

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Tough one

Gonna go with BPA in Dirk Nowitzki. His game is age-resistant.

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by Aykis16 on Jun 29, 2010 1:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Dirk...

Would have Been Spencer at his PEAK…. and he would still be soft.

Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.

by Shadrack on Jun 29, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm

Despite Dirk himself saying he probably only has 3 years left at his current level of play?

Don’t get me wrong, 3 years of Dirk at his current level of play is amazing, but after that you have to expect a dropoff.

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by Exhibit G on Jun 29, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great thing about Dirk

Is that because of the Age 36 rule, the contract can only be 4 years long.

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by Aykis16 on Jun 29, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fact: Germans don't age.

Let us usher in the era of Reke DMC!

by Shizzo on Jun 29, 2010 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Almost took Dirk ...

… but decided Johnson would upgrade the Beno/Garcia position more than Dirk would upgrade the Landry/JT position. Even though both would be huge upgrades.

by Tom Ziller on Jun 29, 2010 1:42 PM PDT reply actions  

I forgot to mention

Backcourt defense is a big part of this. Beno, Lord bless him, is a sieve.

by Tom Ziller on Jun 29, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm assuming if 2 people simply run away with a majority of the vote

We’ll just go on to pick 6? Because I think this is going to be mostly Dirk and Joe J. Maybe Amar’e with a late run.

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by Aykis16 on Jun 29, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

This was also my thought process

and why I ultimately chose JJ. It was really hard not to go with Dirk.

by Mityt on Jun 29, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly

Chose Johnson.

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by Exhibit G on Jun 29, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ya, Johnson this year and Carmelo next Year.

Then you would have a championship team. However, Carmelo will most likely sign with the Nuggets agian.

by MarcusC on Jun 29, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Joe Johnson...

Play a Little D… can Shoot the Three… can create own shot at end of games.

Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.

by Shadrack on Jun 29, 2010 1:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Joe Johnson

i feel we need him more than we need Dirk and will probably be more affordable. I would love to have Dirk but if we are trying to upgrade our team i would start with the area that is the weakest. Joe Johnson would help.

by anthonysam on Jun 29, 2010 1:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Redick

Dirk’s a prototypical “Petrie pick” circa 2002. Doesn’t fit what we’re doing now. Lee and Boozer will both be too expensive. Amare is not the role model we want around Cousins. As far as Joe Johnson? I’d rather slam my head in the door. He, along with a few other teammates, flat out gave up on Woodson and played like shit in the playoffs. That’s some garbage leadership from the best player on that team that’s hoping for max money. Joe Johnson can suck it!

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Jun 29, 2010 1:49 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't like Joe Johnson at all.

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by Aykis16 on Jun 29, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Im on the Reddick bandwagon!

When he came out of college I didn’t think he would be able to stay in the league because he was just a spot up shooter. However, he found a spot for himself by commiting to playing defense (he’s a pretty good on the ball defender) and sticking to his role. I think he would be a nice addition to the backcourt with Tyreke and Beno

by mattrkings on Jun 29, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gave up on Woodson

like Lebron gave up on Brown? Sometimes you just know when you’re not going to win. I’m not a big fan either and Joe won’t be worth the money he’ll get. But for someone who can shoot from anywhere, handle the ball, has size, can defend, and create his own shot, he’d actually be a sweet addition to the Kings.

I love Reddick for the Kings! He still has a ton to prove and that is exactly the type of free agent I’d like to see on this squad. In my mind, he’s the next Kerr/Paxson and would be a perfect compliment to Reke.

by chrysty on Jun 29, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amare

Lock up the frontcourt of the future. Amare is the type of guy that would be ok knowing his role on this team. Dirk hasn’t won the big games, with the arguably the best teams and is to old to pay the max.

by Doors Open on Jun 29, 2010 1:54 PM PDT reply actions  

LOL

well, he is definetly a star

by Doors Open on Jun 29, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's also an egotistical blowhard who nicknamed himself "STAT"

Rule #1: Anyone who gives themself a nickname is a douchebag. Proof?

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Jun 29, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Douchebag? Amar'e? I always hear this, but why other than this, do you think amar'e is a d-bag?

people always complain about how immature/selfish/idiotic he is, but I don’t see what the big deal is?

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just don't like his attitude

He doesn’t try as hard as he should. He’s had one year averaging more than 2 blocks per game. He’s never averaged double digits in rebounding. He’s done very little to improve overall. He’s the single most talented big man in the league. But he’s also a huge underacheiver. If he actually put forth the effort he could probably average 25/15/2/3. But he doesn’t try as hard as he should. I don’t want that anywhere near DeMarcus Cousins

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Jun 29, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

He also had major surgery on his knee

The fact that he came back and can play at least shows he somewhat tries hard. I just don’t think he was ever a very smart or skilled player. Doesn’t necessarily mean he doesn’t try hard though.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you but I think the micro fracture surgery has a lot to do with his rebounding numbers; prior to the surgery he was rebounding in the 9 ranges and in the playoffs his rebounding numbers have been fantastic; that athleticism should

equal near 14 boards a game but it is either amar’e is just a lazy mofo or the surgery really affected him. I feel that he will start to improve his rebounding numbers in the years to come; just because he averaged 30/10/2 the last 35 games of the season. I can see where the attitude towards the game is horrendous, but overall I think he has matured since he entered the L. When he was drafted there were questions whether he cared enough to actually try; a lot of people expected him to fail b/c he didnt care, but the suns did a good job of forcing him to focus. He has underachieved in terms of rebounds and defense, but his offensive game has improved (again because of the surgery) but at least he cares enough to make the suns a contending team.

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

To be honest, his rebounding rates haven't really dropped since he came back from the injury

2008-2009 was bad but that was the only season after the surgery that stuck out as low for Amare.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look here are his rebounding percentages

Regular Season (Playoffs)

2002 – 2003: 15.9% (6 games 12.3%)
2003 – 2004: 14.0%
2004 – 2005: 13.2% (15 games 14.8%)
KNEE GOES SMASH
2006 – 2007: 17.0 (10 games 20.4%)
2007 – 2008: 15.2 (5 games 12.9%)
2008 – 2009: 12.9
2009 – 2010: 14.5 (16 games 10.9%)

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was found my statistics (I suck at relaying info)

03 7.8 rpg
05 10.7 rpg
07 12.1rpg
08 9.0 rpg
10 6.6 rpg

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well not very surpirsed given he played more minutes. Still doesn't mean he was rebounding better when he was on the floor in the playoffs. Look to the rebound rate.

In the 08 playoffs it dropped and also in the 10 playoffs. Same with the 03 playoffs. It did jump up in the 05 playoffs and in the 07 playoffs (impressively in 07)

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry but bullshit

Lakers series neither he nor gasol had a particularly good rebounding series.

I honestly don’t know how to find the rates on this but this is not an explanation at all. It’s nothingness. Just saying Gasol didn’t rebound doesn’t mean anything in regards to Amare’s rebounding.

03 that was his rookie season going up against Tim Duncan. Amar’e has always been a better

Too bad. He is always playing against good teams in the playoffs. Don’t say he does better in the playoffs then explain away why he didn’t perform as well by saying he was playing against great competition. That is dumb.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree, I'm not trying to say that I have the answer as to why amar'e sucks at rebounding.

My arguements are invalid (to an extreme) but that won’t stop me from saying that I like Amar’e. Here is my take on why he had such a bad rebounding series in the 2010 playoffs: Hill and Jrich rebounded better against portland, amare averaged about 9 boards against sa (mediocre, but average for amar’e), and against La he was lazy and didnt feel like fighting for rebounds; instead he let frye get most of the rebounds in the last two games in games three and four amar’e averaged 9.5 rebounds (mediocre but average for him) and in the 1st two games his mom got arrested (True story) and he phased out. In the 2003 playoffs was just young amare who averaged 8.5 boards during the regular season and didn’t see how he could get past Tim Duncan so he refused to rebound (i dont know why he would do that, but that is my best explanation).

There isnt much that I can say or do that’ll erase this horrendous rebounding playoff effort from him, but all I can say is that he usually does a better job at rebounding in the postseason than he does in the regular season.

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

His playoff rebounding actually has been pretty dreadful

except for 2006-2007 which was pretty darn good actually

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

'05 was incredible, same as '07, 08 wasn't good, but '10 was bad b/c in the 1st round he was chasing LMA around on the perimeter; amar'e was limited in that series b/c they were double teaming him

his rebounding vs the spurs was great, but against the lakers his rebounding as well as gasol’s were shit

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

05 was incredible? Not so sure about that

As for this past playoffs, he had 16 games. You can’t blame it all on the first series.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah but now you are arguing it both ways

You say he rebounded better in the playoffs. But when he didn’t rebound better in the playoffs it’s just because of the teams he was playing against. By that measure then he basically can never be more successful in the playoffs. There is always an excuse.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

There'll always be an excuse for me, I'm in love ( not in a gay way though) with amar'e stoudemire.

Stat is by no means a good rebounder but when he chooses to be he can be really good I.E 07

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well thanks for admitting I just wasted the last half hour of my life

awesome

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm sorry wally, You've opened my eyes, you really have, but

there isn’t much you or anybody for that matter can do that can make me stopping loving stat; thanks for your efforts though. I’ll recommend all of your comments if that’ll make some of it up to you?

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey I'm fine with the Stat love

I just don’t get the whole (a) “he did better at something in the playoffs” (b) “oh wait his rates were lower? Well that’s just because something happened in that playoff series that made it look worse but he was really better.”

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 30, 2010 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree.

He is willing to poke fun of himself in online videos asking for All Star votes (heck the fact he was willing to hang out with David Spade shows some dedication on his part) and is very chill and friendly with fans when he is off the court. I don’t really like how he plays the game but he’s not a douche bag.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Okay, maybe he's not a d-bag

I just don’t like the lack of effort on the defensive end. Sure, he had microfracture surgery. But, if that’s why his rebounding isn’t as good as it should be, then should he get a max deal? Hell no.

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Jun 29, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh heck no he doesn't deserve a max. Completely agree. I don't want him near the Kings either.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Love your new sig Bkj

Mainly because its not 4000 words hahaha

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by Aykis16 on Jun 29, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's a great sig.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Way Gay...

The player, not the poster…

Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile

by Balky Needs on Jun 29, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dirk

How many wide-open jump shots do you think Diggler could make in one game? He could play with ‘Reke until he’s 45. He could just pick a spot on the floor that he liked, jog to it every time down the floor, line up his shot and wait for the ball. He might not always get the pass, but when he does it would be like warmups for him. Or, if the other team decides to stick on him no matter what Tyreke is doing, then either ’Reke will be making a lot of open layups, or Dirk will be making a lot of contested jumpshots (as he is wont to do).

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by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 29, 2010 2:04 PM PDT reply actions  

It's the first time we have such a complete and young frontline

I’d hate to see them disappear on the bench for Amar’e, Lee, Boozer or Dirk. We shouldn’t sign JJ either, he’s too old and too expensive. I’m afraid to vote :/

by ZenBaller on Jun 29, 2010 2:06 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm being a homer by saying that I'd take amar'e b/c he'd play tremendously well with tyreke, but if I didnt watch amar'e so much, I'd def. take

David Lee, it is not his fault that the knick sucked ass; he’d also be worth less money than all of them. He is the youngest, can rebound like a machine (better than all of them if you ask me) is not a softie and is also an offensive machine. His defensive game is not that good, but then again none of them have good defensive games; not bosh, not amar’e, not dirk, and definetly not boozer. If you wanna see a really good analysis of this, someone on bsots wrote a really good piece on their statistics.

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 2:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Bosh isn't a bad defender IMO

Some centers may be able to overpower him, but he’s playing out of position at Center. His body is built for PF, and from what i’ve seen of him last season, he’s a much improved defender and does a great job guarding all types of PFs (perimeter shooters, midpost players, low post players)

Let us usher in the era of Reke DMC!

by Shizzo on Jun 29, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

On joe johnson he is def. not as good as people make him out to be; in other words, he is the most overrated underrated player in the NBA

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 2:15 PM PDT reply actions  

So let me get this straight

Ex Suns players are either drug addicts or overrated.

Current Suns players play tremenously.

(Just bustin your balls Bkj. I am not being that serious)

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Joe Johnson would force other teams to guard Tyreke with their PG.

I’m not expect 22-5-5 from JJ again, but 18-4-4 would be good enough if it meant that ‘Reke was always going up against a 6’1-6’3 opponent.

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by napg on Jun 29, 2010 2:23 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

I can see where that would be valuable, but JJ is not a good playoff performer and he needs the ball in his hand to be effective; he isnt a spot up shooter by any means

and in a system where the ball is dominated by tyreke that would be a very messy marriage; when Jrich first went to PHX he was considered a flop, but he adapted in a way b/c he is such a good shooter and at posting-up. JJ on the other hand would need for landry or anybody in the frontcourt to have a bad game so that he can be effective; it is like ha

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Back when Joe Johnson was on the Suns he was a very good spot up shooter too though.

I think he actually would play better with another guard who gets a lot of the ball handling responsibilities. Felt like the Hawks were forcing him to do too much.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Exactly, he doesnt fit the mold of franchise player, but the current JJ and tyreke evans have a lot of similar qualities; something that can never result in a positive way

I.E larry hughes and lebron james; both were in the mold of scottie pippen and look at where larry’s time in cleveland has landed him.

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah but you are the only one tossing out the Franchise player tag

Nobody here is talking about him being a franchise player. We are just talking about whether he would be a good fit.

I think “current JJ” played the way he did largely because he had a lot of responsibilities in Atlanta. I don’t think he would have the same responsibilities here (primarily initiating the offense and ballhandling and playing insane mintues) and could really excel playing a role like he did in Phoenix.

Definitely not a franchise player though.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I kinda disagree

He accepted that franchise role just fine, and he’ll get paid like a franchise player without so much as batting an eyelash

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Jun 29, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's great but we are talking about if he went to the Kings

I am sure we would have to pay him franchise player type money but we wouldn’t want him to do the same things he did in Atlanta. He very well might not change but I am merely saying he can play a different role because he has shown it before. You specifically said

but JJ is not a good playoff performer and he needs the ball in his hand to be effective; he isnt a spot up shooter by any means and in a system where the ball is dominated by tyreke that would be a very messy marriage;

The thing is he has played on a team where Nash was dominating the ball and it worked out okay.

The funny thing is you assume that he can’t change even though he has played differently before. Yet when talking about J RIch you said

when Jrich first went to PHX he was considered a flop, but he adapted in a way b/c he is such a good shooter and at posting-up. JJ on the other hand would need for landry or anybody in the frontcourt to have a bad game so that he can be effective

So Jrich can change but JJ can’t even though JJ had been a spot up shooter before. Sorry but it sounds like there is some bias in your analysis.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't remember JJ as a spot up shooter before. I'm trying to remember things on the fly. Here are JJ's playoff numbers 03 5.5 ppg 4.3 rpg and 1.3 apg (Before Nash)

05 18.8 ppg 4.3 rpg 3.3 apg (With Nash)

08 20 ppg 3.9 rpg 4.0 apg (Atlanta)

09 16.4 ppg 4.5 rpg 3.5 apg

10 17.9 ppg 5.1rpg and 5.0 apg (He sucked against orlando and played like crap when they needed him most

Jrich has adapted and here is why, he played the fewest minutes in his entire career yet his point rebound average has been near his career averages same with his point totals. Jrich did not play as well as he did when he was in GS but adpted well enough to average

19.8 ppg and 5.4 rpg and 1.1 apg while shooting his true shooting was at a blistering 63.6 %. Jrich led the suns to the wcf and there is no denying that, but JJ played in a weaker conference and couldn’t even lead his team to beat a bucks team without its best player. There are def. hints of bias in my comments but I’m telling you how I remember JJ and based on his current style of play

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Be careful using just state up per game stats with the Suns. You get all kinds of crazy numbers that don't explain jack given their pace.

Joe Johnson Usage Rate/Ast Rate – After Nash went to Phoenix
03-04: 21.6% – 18.6%
04-05: 19% – 13.2%

Nash Usage Rate/Ast Rate when Joe Johnson was in Phoenix
03-04: 20.5% – 49.2%
04-05: 23..3% – 44.4%

[In Phoenix Nash was the primary ball handler. I know Joe Johnson’s stats don’t necessarily make it look that way but Nash was definitely the one running the show]

Joe Johnson Usage Rate/Assist Rate in Atlanta
05-06: 24.6% – 29.1%
06-07: 28.3% – 21.8%
07-08: 25.6% – 25.5%
08-09: 26.6% – 26.4%
09-10: 26.3% – 22.0%

Bibby Usage Rate/Assist Rate in Atlanta
07-08: 21.5% – 32.9%
08-09: 20.6% – 24.2%
09-10: 16.1% – 20.8%

[In Atlanta things changed. Should point out though that Bibby was the only other real PG that Joe Johnson played with and Bibby doesn’t exactly dominate the ball.]

And jus for fun.
Tyreke Evans Usage Rate/Assist Rate
26.2% – 26.1%

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

butchered that first sentence

be careful posting per game stats from Phoenix

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Could also look up Jriches usage % before and after he went to PHX?

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah but I am not sure what they would tell you.

Usage/Assist Rates
07-08 CHA: 25.9% – 15.2%
08-09 CHA: 25.8% – 14.1% (14 games)
08-09 PHO: 20.4% – 8.7% (58 games)
09-10 PHO: 20.8% – 8.8%

J Rich seems to have become more of a spot up shooter and was not distributing at much as be was in Charlotte (GS numbers were similar to CHA too). He did change when he went to Phoenix without having shown the ability to change before.

The funny thing is you are saying JJ won’t change even though he as in fact played as more of a spot up shooter in Phoenix (although yes not as much as JRich has over the last year and a half)

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree

He was almost exclusively a spot-up shooter in PHX

by Mityt on Jun 29, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

His game has changed since then; he was a good spot up shooter in phx until steve nash came along

Someone on here told me that you can’t expect Tyreke to become as good as Nash, and I have to agree; that is where JJ got most of his points from; nash passing it into amar’e creating an inside outside type of game. That could happen here in Sac but I don’t think that the player that JJ has become can play alongside tyreke evans

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

of course you can't expect Tyreke to be as good as Nash but I expect him to have the ball in his hands as much as Nash or darn close to it.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying that JJ would be bad as a #2 option, what I'm saying is that his qualities remind me a lot of tyreke evans (20-5-5) so you have to be careful when signing million dollar contracts.

I’d sure as hell love to have the 05 version of JJ back in PHX for another shot at the title but I’m also very ahppy with what Jrcih provides. JJ is a better defender (By Far) but jrich is a better athlete and I love how he fits on the team (despite the fact that he needs the ball in his hands to score more; I’m perfectly fine with jrich hustling and using that athleticism more than I would be with JJ.

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey all I am saying is that you were treating him like he could never change and you were arguing he didn't play more like a spot up shooter in Phoenix. That was it.

I don’t want the Kings to sign him.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know, as you can clearly see I'm pretty stubborn, but I think adapting is much harder than it really seems. Jrich sucked

b*lls for a long while in a suns uni; he redeemed himself near the all-star break near the trade-deadline, same as amar’e (coincidence?) I’m just trying to say that forcing a player to go from ball-domination ack to playing of the ball is very hard a la jrich and tmac.

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see why it's so hard to go back to being a spot-up shooter.

JJ has certainly proven that he has a strong outside shot; honestly, if JJ himself could agree to being #2, then his skill set suggests to me that he could excel alongside Tyreke.

"Where hope goes to die"

by napg on Jun 29, 2010 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

He'll agree if it means A) he gets max money B) he is in contention for a 'ship and C) He isn't the No. 1 option (That may sound wierd but he knows that his team won't have a chance to contend w/ him as their leader; he lacks the killer instinct,

the physicality, or the mentality to do so. He’ll def. want to play in the east tho’, there is too much competition out here that in the east, a playoff spot is almost assured for an average team

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Other...

While I would love to gain Amare, there is no need to clog up the development of our big men for any longer.

Joe Johnson is a good player, but he needs the ball in his hands to score and create shots. In other words, he is a SG version of Tyreke. There is not enough ball to share between the two of them.

And once again here is the link to the Free Agency Predictor Contest.
password is petrie
http://games.espn.go.com/bballfapredictor/en/group?groupID=355&entryID=14630

"I have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot...and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why... I succeed." Michael Jordan.

by Surprise Team on Jun 29, 2010 2:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Gotta go Dirk here

He’ll spread the floor, create his own shot, and rebound. One of the most unique talents in the game.

Joe Johnson is awesome, but he’s got a ton of mileage, he’s beat-up, and he duplicates a lot of Tyreke’s strengths. I would be very cautious about signing him to a long deal.

by KeonClark on Jun 29, 2010 2:41 PM PDT reply actions  

dirk and rebound do not comply; try score from the perimeter and stretch the D, but a team that is led by dirk won't get the needed points in

the paint to win ‘ships; dallas has never one a title because they don’t have enough presence in the post; dampier does not count and brendan haywood is inconsistent to the max

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

But we have DMC, not Brendan Haywood

Still, I’d rather have Amar’e than Dirk at this point.

by furious.d on Jun 29, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amare

rebounds worse than Dirk. Also, who knows how good amare actually is without Steve Nash.

by KeonClark on Jun 29, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well amar'e plays well with dragic.

I have proof

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

you call one game proof??

CJ Watson scored 40 points on the Kings once. Is he a superstar?

In the words of Nicholas Cage….

"I have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot...and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why... I succeed." Michael Jordan.

by Surprise Team on Jun 29, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

No, that is some insight, I have 55 games worth of proof and that is the 03-04 season where amare averaged 20.6 ppg and 9rpg

eat that, that was b4 Nash; yes they missed the playoffs but amar’e also missed 27 games. They didnt have a true point guard (marion, amare and JJ) so there is your proof.

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

Calm down I was just poking fun at you that you just mentioned one game. In fact, I had been a bold supporter of bringing Amare to the Kings before the Sammy D trade and the draft. I even wouldve preferred him over Bosh.

"I have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot...and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why... I succeed." Michael Jordan.

by Surprise Team on Jun 29, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

God no.
I even wouldve preferred him over Bosh

Let us usher in the era of Reke DMC!

by Shizzo on Jun 29, 2010 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

"would've"

as in, I would have in the past.

"I have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot...and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why... I succeed." Michael Jordan.

by Surprise Team on Jun 30, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Other...

Too narrow of a list because these guys are all too expensive IMO.

Maybe we would be ready in a year or two years..

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Jun 29, 2010 3:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Though I understand that getting a guard is our biggest need

It may be that this the limited options for a guard on this list is driving the voting…

We just don’t need an expensive free agent big.

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Jun 29, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait a year or two....

Tyreke, DMC, Omri, Green, JT, maybe Landry. That is our core right? Let them play a season or two, get better (and older) then add a big time FA to take us to the next level.

by mattrkings on Jun 29, 2010 3:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Amare's had surgery... on both knees... some more than once...

Career trajectory worse than Kenyon Martin’s. You talk about Dirk in 3 years? Will Amare still be playing?

by VenomySnicket on Jun 29, 2010 3:18 PM PDT reply actions  

DIRK?

I think Dirk is one of the best ever, def one of the best of the last ten years but why would we want him? HE’S NEVER WON in his prime so why would you take him when hes on his last legs?

by mattrkings on Jun 29, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't want either of those guys.

I’d rather wait to see if the technology develops to meld JT and Landry into one person.

by VenomySnicket on Jun 29, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait a minute

The Mavs did self-destruct in the FInals, but they certainly were not helped by the refs calling a foul if anyone even looked at Wade funny.

by Mityt on Jun 29, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

By your logic

Webber was horrible because he never won either. SO was Sir Charles, and Karl Stockton.

by Mityt on Jun 29, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I voted for JJ.

Even though I’d love a front court stud like Boozer or Lee, it would just bollocks up what Petrie is trying to do. What we really need is another perimeter player that can sit on the 3-pt line and drop 35%+ 3’s and can defend.

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by SayWhat? on Jun 29, 2010 3:41 PM PDT reply actions  

I feel like we need some more guidance on what our vote means.

With the draft board, contracts weren’t an issue because any of them would have gotten the same contract. With this, are we assuming equal contracts for all of them and judging on talent/age/fit alone? Or are we figuring market rate contracts and the subsequent impact on our future flexibility? My vote would be vastly different if it were the former (Johnson) rather than the latter (Other, under the assumption that each of these players would command a large enough salary that there might just be more cost than benefit in acquiring them).

The first three are probably going to get about the max amount and length, and I’m not sure I’d want any of them for that. The next two are good front court players who will get expensive and long deals, and I’m not sure they make sense after our recent trade and draft. But if it’s just a question of talent, fit, and age, I’d like Johnson off this list.

by twasserm on Jun 29, 2010 3:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Johnson

We need a defensive, 3-point sharpshooter. With Johnson, I believe the team would be very balanced and versitile at all positions. My dream team come true.

by CloudyEyes on Jun 29, 2010 3:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Joe johnson career averages from three is 37.4% his ft% is 79.2 and his fg% is 44.3

I think Raja Bell would fit that need

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Joe Johnson is one of the few players that isolates more than Tyreke.

Two heavily ball dominant players simply won’t work. JJ is not worth the max. I used to like JJ but his “dribble dribble fade away shot” is unbearable to watch. Dirk is an actual franchise player. Has the best offense out of the group. An epic mid range game and an excellent long range shooter.

Rebuilding the Kings.

by KF10 on Jun 29, 2010 3:52 PM PDT reply actions  

How about no free agents?

It looks like our frontline is set. We’re good at the 3. We could obviously really use another guard that can defend well and be a spot up shooter. Why not just rent out the cap room to a team that wants to spend less this year and pick up an extra first rounder, where Petrie can surely find another guard that’s a decent defender and shooter in next year’s draft?

Or hell, just use next year’s late lottery pick on that type of player?

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Jun 29, 2010 4:16 PM PDT reply actions  

If I had to choose,

   I would say Joe Johnson because he is a guard and he would fit the best with the team. He can also knock down open shots with ease, and he has range from everywhere. Could the Kings ever win a championship with Tyreke, Johnson and Cousins as their big three. If Lebron signs with Bosh in Miami with Wade then the answer is definately no.
   I really believe the Kings could put together a team next year that won’t just be a solid playoff team that gets knocked out every year. A team that would legitimately have a chance to win a championship each year for a few years. It would be Tyreke, Anthony, and Cousins as the Big Three. Now if you can sign Joe Johnson and still have room to sign Carmelo next year, then I would definately do it. Since Tyreke and Cousins are still so young they probably can afford to do it.
    A starting lineup of Tyreke, Johnson, Carmelo, Thompson, and Cousins would give you a chance to win a chmpionship.
   

by MarcusC on Jun 29, 2010 4:27 PM PDT reply actions  

how the heck did Anthony pop in there?

Carmelo?

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'll save you the trouble

He isn’t coming here. He is also probably signing an extension this offseason before the collective bargaining agreement ends.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doubt it

I think the extension is happening sooner rather than later.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5318846

"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."

by otis29 on Jun 29, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well that salesman better be as good a salesman as Alec Baldwin was in Glengarry Glen Ross

and have a time machine to go along with it.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

.

Photobucket

"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."

by otis29 on Jun 29, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

It takes brass balls to sell real estate

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Considering we can't ask Carmelo at this moment if he wants to come to Sac, I am not sure if this plan is going to work.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's a possibility.

I wouldnt sign Joe, unless they can still afford another really good player.

by MarcusC on Jun 29, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

and how do you think they would know one year in advance they can sign Carmelo?

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your right, I dont think they can communicate with him.

I think they should still make sure they could if he is available next year.

by MarcusC on Jun 29, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think they should be capable of singing him next year.

I wouldn’t like to see them go all in on just Joe Johnson.

by MarcusC on Jun 29, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well when you put it that way

Your right they should be able to sign him next year. Maybe they can set up a talk with Carmelo this week and make sure if he can promise them he signs with them. Once they take care of that then maybe they can go after JJ. You think that sounds like a good idea?

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn't matter really

I think it’s okay, but after we lock up Carmelo with our verbal agreement where he promises to sign with us in a year, JJ would just need to make shots and run the offense from time to time when Tyreke is out.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

reply fail, sorry

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Raja's a nice fit

But he’s going to a contender. He’s too beat up to want to play for a rebuilding team. There’s already been Lakers rumors swirling.

by chrysty on Jun 29, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know, I'd kill myself if he went to LA; I think he'll go to the team that fits him best

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

This would be a bold move-sign dirk and have him play sg; after all he is like a big shooting guard rather than a center

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 4:29 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't see that could ever go wrong

Totally perfect idea. I can see him fitting in at the 2 guard spot perfectly.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know, totally, he’ll be on the floor at the same time as cousins/dali/landry/jt, that’ll really stretch the defense and he could attack the basket once he has a smaller guy guarding him

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Totally plus he would be able to guard any 2 guard in the league.

And he’s got good enough ball handling skills that no two guard would be able to steal the ball from him. Too fast driving to the hoop too.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

So then: I'd look into morrow, bell, and reddick agreed?

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah that might work out better

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was worried you were about to fall into the sarchasm

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think he can talk to them until Thursday at midnight

So yeah he probably has planned a meeting right at that moment

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are probably right

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s his own team. I can talk to them all he wants since he is still technically under contract.

by bignerd on Jun 29, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

really? I honestly didn't know that

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

oops

He can talk to them . . .

Yes, it’s only tempering when another team has talks with the player while he is under contract.

by bignerd on Jun 29, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

so it might make sense for the Suns to go in hard for him right before he is a free agent

if they are willing to spend a lot at least.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s always a cat and mouse game. The player could prematurely agree to a contract that is less than market value or the team could pay a price that’s far greater than market value.

Personally, I always get a kick out of contracts that are signed or agreed to the minute after free agency opens. Unless the contract is a maximum or greatly exceeds the players expectations I don’t understand why they wouldn’t at least wait around an hour or two. I gave Chris Webber credit because he waited a few days to get all the offers in before deciding (at least that is how I remember, I could be dead wrong).

by bignerd on Jun 29, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be honest, most of the deals done right away are maximum or exceeding the player's value.

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Webber did wait, he was actually thinking about going to the Pacers

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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like the Maloofs stories about signing that $20 million dollar check each year. I guess the staff would just bring in the check to sign along with the other typical bills. The check was written out to Chris’s mother (or some family member’s name) so according to the Maloofs they would see a $20 million value on the check, not recognize name or what’s it’s for and start to panic.

by bignerd on Jun 29, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I should clarify

His team cannot officially offer him a new contract until the start of the free agent period. However nothing is stopping the two parties from negotiating. The Suns can practically tell him the contract they plan to offer, if they choose.

by bignerd on Jun 29, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mike Miller is another

killer shot from the perimeter. 6’-8" SG would make us freaking huge in the back-court.

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by SayWhat? on Jun 29, 2010 7:15 PM PDT reply actions  

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