StR Community Free Agent Board, Pick 4
LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh are the first three picks on the community free agent board. Assuming the team will not get those top three, who'd you go after next, assuming all other free agents are available and taking the current Kings roster into account?
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Tough one
Gonna go with BPA in Dirk Nowitzki. His game is age-resistant.
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Hmm
Despite Dirk himself saying he probably only has 3 years left at his current level of play?
Don’t get me wrong, 3 years of Dirk at his current level of play is amazing, but after that you have to expect a dropoff.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
Great thing about Dirk
Is that because of the Age 36 rule, the contract can only be 4 years long.
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Almost took Dirk ...
… but decided Johnson would upgrade the Beno/Garcia position more than Dirk would upgrade the Landry/JT position. Even though both would be huge upgrades.
I'm assuming if 2 people simply run away with a majority of the vote
We’ll just go on to pick 6? Because I think this is going to be mostly Dirk and Joe J. Maybe Amar’e with a late run.
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This was also my thought process
and why I ultimately chose JJ. It was really hard not to go with Dirk.
Ya, Johnson this year and Carmelo next Year.
Then you would have a championship team. However, Carmelo will most likely sign with the Nuggets agian.
Joe Johnson...
Play a Little D… can Shoot the Three… can create own shot at end of games.
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
Joe Johnson
i feel we need him more than we need Dirk and will probably be more affordable. I would love to have Dirk but if we are trying to upgrade our team i would start with the area that is the weakest. Joe Johnson would help.
Redick
Dirk’s a prototypical “Petrie pick” circa 2002. Doesn’t fit what we’re doing now. Lee and Boozer will both be too expensive. Amare is not the role model we want around Cousins. As far as Joe Johnson? I’d rather slam my head in the door. He, along with a few other teammates, flat out gave up on Woodson and played like shit in the playoffs. That’s some garbage leadership from the best player on that team that’s hoping for max money. Joe Johnson can suck it!
#vfettkefordraft
I don't like Joe Johnson at all.
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Im on the Reddick bandwagon!
When he came out of college I didn’t think he would be able to stay in the league because he was just a spot up shooter. However, he found a spot for himself by commiting to playing defense (he’s a pretty good on the ball defender) and sticking to his role. I think he would be a nice addition to the backcourt with Tyreke and Beno
Gave up on Woodson
like Lebron gave up on Brown? Sometimes you just know when you’re not going to win. I’m not a big fan either and Joe won’t be worth the money he’ll get. But for someone who can shoot from anywhere, handle the ball, has size, can defend, and create his own shot, he’d actually be a sweet addition to the Kings.
I love Reddick for the Kings! He still has a ton to prove and that is exactly the type of free agent I’d like to see on this squad. In my mind, he’s the next Kerr/Paxson and would be a perfect compliment to Reke.
Amare
Lock up the frontcourt of the future. Amare is the type of guy that would be ok knowing his role on this team. Dirk hasn’t won the big games, with the arguably the best teams and is to old to pay the max.
He's also an egotistical blowhard who nicknamed himself "STAT"
Rule #1: Anyone who gives themself a nickname is a douchebag. Proof?

#vfettkefordraft
by vfettke on Jun 29, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Douchebag? Amar'e? I always hear this, but why other than this, do you think amar'e is a d-bag?
people always complain about how immature/selfish/idiotic he is, but I don’t see what the big deal is?
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
I just don't like his attitude
He doesn’t try as hard as he should. He’s had one year averaging more than 2 blocks per game. He’s never averaged double digits in rebounding. He’s done very little to improve overall. He’s the single most talented big man in the league. But he’s also a huge underacheiver. If he actually put forth the effort he could probably average 25/15/2/3. But he doesn’t try as hard as he should. I don’t want that anywhere near DeMarcus Cousins
#vfettkefordraft
He also had major surgery on his knee
The fact that he came back and can play at least shows he somewhat tries hard. I just don’t think he was ever a very smart or skilled player. Doesn’t necessarily mean he doesn’t try hard though.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with you but I think the micro fracture surgery has a lot to do with his rebounding numbers; prior to the surgery he was rebounding in the 9 ranges and in the playoffs his rebounding numbers have been fantastic; that athleticism should
equal near 14 boards a game but it is either amar’e is just a lazy mofo or the surgery really affected him. I feel that he will start to improve his rebounding numbers in the years to come; just because he averaged 30/10/2 the last 35 games of the season. I can see where the attitude towards the game is horrendous, but overall I think he has matured since he entered the L. When he was drafted there were questions whether he cared enough to actually try; a lot of people expected him to fail b/c he didnt care, but the suns did a good job of forcing him to focus. He has underachieved in terms of rebounds and defense, but his offensive game has improved (again because of the surgery) but at least he cares enough to make the suns a contending team.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
by Bkj on Jun 29, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
To be honest, his rebounding rates haven't really dropped since he came back from the injury
2008-2009 was bad but that was the only season after the surgery that stuck out as low for Amare.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
They havent dropped by much, but they certainly havent incresed either; amar'e doesnt bend at the knees anymore. This makes him jump up straight rather than spring up, making it less effective (though with amar'e's athleticim it really shouldn't matter)
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
Look here are his rebounding percentages
Regular Season (Playoffs)
2002 – 2003: 15.9% (6 games 12.3%)
2003 – 2004: 14.0%
2004 – 2005: 13.2% (15 games 14.8%)
KNEE GOES SMASH
2006 – 2007: 17.0 (10 games 20.4%)
2007 – 2008: 15.2 (5 games 12.9%)
2008 – 2009: 12.9
2009 – 2010: 14.5 (16 games 10.9%)
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I looked at basketball reference.com and he averaged double digit boards in 05 and 07; something he never did during the regular season
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
I was found my statistics (I suck at relaying info)
03 7.8 rpg
05 10.7 rpg
07 12.1rpg
08 9.0 rpg
10 6.6 rpg
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
Well not very surpirsed given he played more minutes. Still doesn't mean he was rebounding better when he was on the floor in the playoffs. Look to the rebound rate.
In the 08 playoffs it dropped and also in the 10 playoffs. Same with the 03 playoffs. It did jump up in the 05 playoffs and in the 07 playoffs (impressively in 07)
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
The 2010 playoffs Stat played the perimeter more in the 1st round and in the Lakers series neither he nor gasol had a particularly good rebounding series. In 03 that was his rookie season going up against Tim Duncan. Amar'e has always been a better
playoff rebounder but I don’t think the stats show the whole story
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
I'm sorry but bullshit
Lakers series neither he nor gasol had a particularly good rebounding series.
I honestly don’t know how to find the rates on this but this is not an explanation at all. It’s nothingness. Just saying Gasol didn’t rebound doesn’t mean anything in regards to Amare’s rebounding.
03 that was his rookie season going up against Tim Duncan. Amar’e has always been a better
Too bad. He is always playing against good teams in the playoffs. Don’t say he does better in the playoffs then explain away why he didn’t perform as well by saying he was playing against great competition. That is dumb.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, I'm not trying to say that I have the answer as to why amar'e sucks at rebounding.
My arguements are invalid (to an extreme) but that won’t stop me from saying that I like Amar’e. Here is my take on why he had such a bad rebounding series in the 2010 playoffs: Hill and Jrich rebounded better against portland, amare averaged about 9 boards against sa (mediocre, but average for amar’e), and against La he was lazy and didnt feel like fighting for rebounds; instead he let frye get most of the rebounds in the last two games in games three and four amar’e averaged 9.5 rebounds (mediocre but average for him) and in the 1st two games his mom got arrested (True story) and he phased out. In the 2003 playoffs was just young amare who averaged 8.5 boards during the regular season and didn’t see how he could get past Tim Duncan so he refused to rebound (i dont know why he would do that, but that is my best explanation).
There isnt much that I can say or do that’ll erase this horrendous rebounding playoff effort from him, but all I can say is that he usually does a better job at rebounding in the postseason than he does in the regular season.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
His playoff rebounding actually has been pretty dreadful
except for 2006-2007 which was pretty darn good actually
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
'05 was incredible, same as '07, 08 wasn't good, but '10 was bad b/c in the 1st round he was chasing LMA around on the perimeter; amar'e was limited in that series b/c they were double teaming him
his rebounding vs the spurs was great, but against the lakers his rebounding as well as gasol’s were shit
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
05 was incredible? Not so sure about that
As for this past playoffs, he had 16 games. You can’t blame it all on the first series.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know, I'm saying that he had two crappy rebounding series and one mediocre one, his rebounding against sa was atually not that good
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
Yeah but now you are arguing it both ways
You say he rebounded better in the playoffs. But when he didn’t rebound better in the playoffs it’s just because of the teams he was playing against. By that measure then he basically can never be more successful in the playoffs. There is always an excuse.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
There'll always be an excuse for me, I'm in love ( not in a gay way though) with amar'e stoudemire.
Stat is by no means a good rebounder but when he chooses to be he can be really good I.E 07
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
Well thanks for admitting I just wasted the last half hour of my life
awesome
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm sorry wally, You've opened my eyes, you really have, but
there isn’t much you or anybody for that matter can do that can make me stopping loving stat; thanks for your efforts though. I’ll recommend all of your comments if that’ll make some of it up to you?
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
Hey I'm fine with the Stat love
I just don’t get the whole (a) “he did better at something in the playoffs” (b) “oh wait his rates were lower? Well that’s just because something happened in that playoff series that made it look worse but he was really better.”
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 30, 2010 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree.
He is willing to poke fun of himself in online videos asking for All Star votes (heck the fact he was willing to hang out with David Spade shows some dedication on his part) and is very chill and friendly with fans when he is off the court. I don’t really like how he plays the game but he’s not a douche bag.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Okay, maybe he's not a d-bag
I just don’t like the lack of effort on the defensive end. Sure, he had microfracture surgery. But, if that’s why his rebounding isn’t as good as it should be, then should he get a max deal? Hell no.
#vfettkefordraft
Oh heck no he doesn't deserve a max. Completely agree. I don't want him near the Kings either.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Love your new sig Bkj
Mainly because its not 4000 words hahaha
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It's a great sig.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
... Not that there's anything wrong with that
by tomroadrunner on Jun 29, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Way Gay...
The player, not the poster…
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
Dirk
How many wide-open jump shots do you think Diggler could make in one game? He could play with ‘Reke until he’s 45. He could just pick a spot on the floor that he liked, jog to it every time down the floor, line up his shot and wait for the ball. He might not always get the pass, but when he does it would be like warmups for him. Or, if the other team decides to stick on him no matter what Tyreke is doing, then either ’Reke will be making a lot of open layups, or Dirk will be making a lot of contested jumpshots (as he is wont to do).
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 29, 2010 2:04 PM PDT reply actions
It's the first time we have such a complete and young frontline
I’d hate to see them disappear on the bench for Amar’e, Lee, Boozer or Dirk. We shouldn’t sign JJ either, he’s too old and too expensive. I’m afraid to vote :/
I'm being a homer by saying that I'd take amar'e b/c he'd play tremendously well with tyreke, but if I didnt watch amar'e so much, I'd def. take
David Lee, it is not his fault that the knick sucked ass; he’d also be worth less money than all of them. He is the youngest, can rebound like a machine (better than all of them if you ask me) is not a softie and is also an offensive machine. His defensive game is not that good, but then again none of them have good defensive games; not bosh, not amar’e, not dirk, and definetly not boozer. If you wanna see a really good analysis of this, someone on bsots wrote a really good piece on their statistics.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
Lee is going to the Thunder... I just have a feeling. It's a match made in heaven.
by VenomySnicket on Jun 29, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Bosh isn't a bad defender IMO
Some centers may be able to overpower him, but he’s playing out of position at Center. His body is built for PF, and from what i’ve seen of him last season, he’s a much improved defender and does a great job guarding all types of PFs (perimeter shooters, midpost players, low post players)
Let us usher in the era of Reke DMC!
On joe johnson he is def. not as good as people make him out to be; in other words, he is the most overrated underrated player in the NBA
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
So let me get this straight
Ex Suns players are either drug addicts or overrated.
Current Suns players play tremenously.
(Just bustin your balls Bkj. I am not being that serious)
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol, reke'd. Nah, I'll tell you the truth, JJ is a good player but he isn't built to be a franchise player.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
Joe Johnson would force other teams to guard Tyreke with their PG.
I’m not expect 22-5-5 from JJ again, but 18-4-4 would be good enough if it meant that ‘Reke was always going up against a 6’1-6’3 opponent.
"Where hope goes to die"
by napg on Jun 29, 2010 2:23 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I can see where that would be valuable, but JJ is not a good playoff performer and he needs the ball in his hand to be effective; he isnt a spot up shooter by any means
and in a system where the ball is dominated by tyreke that would be a very messy marriage; when Jrich first went to PHX he was considered a flop, but he adapted in a way b/c he is such a good shooter and at posting-up. JJ on the other hand would need for landry or anybody in the frontcourt to have a bad game so that he can be effective; it is like ha
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
'it is like having AI and larry hughes on the same team (which ended in disaster in the late 90's)
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
That team, did not a finals appearance make?
In the Leastern conference, sure.
by VenomySnicket on Jun 29, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sorry? The hughes thing? I forgot about that, but you could make the case that was the lockout season and you never know what would have happened had they played all 82 games
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
Back when Joe Johnson was on the Suns he was a very good spot up shooter too though.
I think he actually would play better with another guard who gets a lot of the ball handling responsibilities. Felt like the Hawks were forcing him to do too much.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly, he doesnt fit the mold of franchise player, but the current JJ and tyreke evans have a lot of similar qualities; something that can never result in a positive way
I.E larry hughes and lebron james; both were in the mold of scottie pippen and look at where larry’s time in cleveland has landed him.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
Yeah but you are the only one tossing out the Franchise player tag
Nobody here is talking about him being a franchise player. We are just talking about whether he would be a good fit.
I think “current JJ” played the way he did largely because he had a lot of responsibilities in Atlanta. I don’t think he would have the same responsibilities here (primarily initiating the offense and ballhandling and playing insane mintues) and could really excel playing a role like he did in Phoenix.
Definitely not a franchise player though.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Atlanta tried to make him franchise player, to lead the team on his back, make everyone do their best that is what a franchise player does (atlanta forced JJ to do more than what he was capable of, and that is why he is such a poor playoff performer)
but JJ still would need the ball in his hands to be effective.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
I kinda disagree
He accepted that franchise role just fine, and he’ll get paid like a franchise player without so much as batting an eyelash
#vfettkefordraft
That's great but we are talking about if he went to the Kings
I am sure we would have to pay him franchise player type money but we wouldn’t want him to do the same things he did in Atlanta. He very well might not change but I am merely saying he can play a different role because he has shown it before. You specifically said
but JJ is not a good playoff performer and he needs the ball in his hand to be effective; he isnt a spot up shooter by any means and in a system where the ball is dominated by tyreke that would be a very messy marriage;
The thing is he has played on a team where Nash was dominating the ball and it worked out okay.
The funny thing is you assume that he can’t change even though he has played differently before. Yet when talking about J RIch you said
when Jrich first went to PHX he was considered a flop, but he adapted in a way b/c he is such a good shooter and at posting-up. JJ on the other hand would need for landry or anybody in the frontcourt to have a bad game so that he can be effective
So Jrich can change but JJ can’t even though JJ had been a spot up shooter before. Sorry but it sounds like there is some bias in your analysis.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't remember JJ as a spot up shooter before. I'm trying to remember things on the fly. Here are JJ's playoff numbers 03 5.5 ppg 4.3 rpg and 1.3 apg (Before Nash)
05 18.8 ppg 4.3 rpg 3.3 apg (With Nash)
08 20 ppg 3.9 rpg 4.0 apg (Atlanta)
09 16.4 ppg 4.5 rpg 3.5 apg
10 17.9 ppg 5.1rpg and 5.0 apg (He sucked against orlando and played like crap when they needed him most
Jrich has adapted and here is why, he played the fewest minutes in his entire career yet his point rebound average has been near his career averages same with his point totals. Jrich did not play as well as he did when he was in GS but adpted well enough to average
19.8 ppg and 5.4 rpg and 1.1 apg while shooting his true shooting was at a blistering 63.6 %. Jrich led the suns to the wcf and there is no denying that, but JJ played in a weaker conference and couldn’t even lead his team to beat a bucks team without its best player. There are def. hints of bias in my comments but I’m telling you how I remember JJ and based on his current style of play
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
Be careful using just state up per game stats with the Suns. You get all kinds of crazy numbers that don't explain jack given their pace.
Joe Johnson Usage Rate/Ast Rate – After Nash went to Phoenix
03-04: 21.6% – 18.6%
04-05: 19% – 13.2%
Nash Usage Rate/Ast Rate when Joe Johnson was in Phoenix
03-04: 20.5% – 49.2%
04-05: 23..3% – 44.4%
[In Phoenix Nash was the primary ball handler. I know Joe Johnson’s stats don’t necessarily make it look that way but Nash was definitely the one running the show]
Joe Johnson Usage Rate/Assist Rate in Atlanta
05-06: 24.6% – 29.1%
06-07: 28.3% – 21.8%
07-08: 25.6% – 25.5%
08-09: 26.6% – 26.4%
09-10: 26.3% – 22.0%
Bibby Usage Rate/Assist Rate in Atlanta
07-08: 21.5% – 32.9%
08-09: 20.6% – 24.2%
09-10: 16.1% – 20.8%
[In Atlanta things changed. Should point out though that Bibby was the only other real PG that Joe Johnson played with and Bibby doesn’t exactly dominate the ball.]
And jus for fun.
Tyreke Evans Usage Rate/Assist Rate
26.2% – 26.1%
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
butchered that first sentence
be careful posting per game stats from Phoenix
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Could also look up Jriches usage % before and after he went to PHX?
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
Yeah but I am not sure what they would tell you.
Usage/Assist Rates
07-08 CHA: 25.9% – 15.2%
08-09 CHA: 25.8% – 14.1% (14 games)
08-09 PHO: 20.4% – 8.7% (58 games)
09-10 PHO: 20.8% – 8.8%
J Rich seems to have become more of a spot up shooter and was not distributing at much as be was in Charlotte (GS numbers were similar to CHA too). He did change when he went to Phoenix without having shown the ability to change before.
The funny thing is you are saying JJ won’t change even though he as in fact played as more of a spot up shooter in Phoenix (although yes not as much as JRich has over the last year and a half)
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you so much, I just wanted to see this is all. JJ developed a whole new side of his game that I never thought he had in him, but now that you mention it; I'd take the 05 version of JJ and put him on this team. That would be the perfect marriage.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
His game has changed since then; he was a good spot up shooter in phx until steve nash came along
Someone on here told me that you can’t expect Tyreke to become as good as Nash, and I have to agree; that is where JJ got most of his points from; nash passing it into amar’e creating an inside outside type of game. That could happen here in Sac but I don’t think that the player that JJ has become can play alongside tyreke evans
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
of course you can't expect Tyreke to be as good as Nash but I expect him to have the ball in his hands as much as Nash or darn close to it.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not saying that JJ would be bad as a #2 option, what I'm saying is that his qualities remind me a lot of tyreke evans (20-5-5) so you have to be careful when signing million dollar contracts.
I’d sure as hell love to have the 05 version of JJ back in PHX for another shot at the title but I’m also very ahppy with what Jrcih provides. JJ is a better defender (By Far) but jrich is a better athlete and I love how he fits on the team (despite the fact that he needs the ball in his hands to score more; I’m perfectly fine with jrich hustling and using that athleticism more than I would be with JJ.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
Hey all I am saying is that you were treating him like he could never change and you were arguing he didn't play more like a spot up shooter in Phoenix. That was it.
I don’t want the Kings to sign him.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I know, as you can clearly see I'm pretty stubborn, but I think adapting is much harder than it really seems. Jrich sucked
b*lls for a long while in a suns uni; he redeemed himself near the all-star break near the trade-deadline, same as amar’e (coincidence?) I’m just trying to say that forcing a player to go from ball-domination ack to playing of the ball is very hard a la jrich and tmac.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
I don't see why it's so hard to go back to being a spot-up shooter.
JJ has certainly proven that he has a strong outside shot; honestly, if JJ himself could agree to being #2, then his skill set suggests to me that he could excel alongside Tyreke.
"Where hope goes to die"
But the key is getting JJ to agree to that role...
"Where hope goes to die"
He'll agree if it means A) he gets max money B) he is in contention for a 'ship and C) He isn't the No. 1 option (That may sound wierd but he knows that his team won't have a chance to contend w/ him as their leader; he lacks the killer instinct,
the physicality, or the mentality to do so. He’ll def. want to play in the east tho’, there is too much competition out here that in the east, a playoff spot is almost assured for an average team
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
Other...
While I would love to gain Amare, there is no need to clog up the development of our big men for any longer.
Joe Johnson is a good player, but he needs the ball in his hands to score and create shots. In other words, he is a SG version of Tyreke. There is not enough ball to share between the two of them.
And once again here is the link to the Free Agency Predictor Contest.
password is petrie
http://games.espn.go.com/bballfapredictor/en/group?groupID=355&entryID=14630
"I have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot...and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why... I succeed." Michael Jordan.
Gotta go Dirk here
He’ll spread the floor, create his own shot, and rebound. One of the most unique talents in the game.
Joe Johnson is awesome, but he’s got a ton of mileage, he’s beat-up, and he duplicates a lot of Tyreke’s strengths. I would be very cautious about signing him to a long deal.
dirk and rebound do not comply; try score from the perimeter and stretch the D, but a team that is led by dirk won't get the needed points in
the paint to win ‘ships; dallas has never one a title because they don’t have enough presence in the post; dampier does not count and brendan haywood is inconsistent to the max
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
Well amar'e plays well with dragic.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
you call one game proof??
CJ Watson scored 40 points on the Kings once. Is he a superstar?
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"I have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot...and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why... I succeed." Michael Jordan.
by Surprise Team on Jun 29, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, that is some insight, I have 55 games worth of proof and that is the 03-04 season where amare averaged 20.6 ppg and 9rpg
eat that, that was b4 Nash; yes they missed the playoffs but amar’e also missed 27 games. They didnt have a true point guard (marion, amare and JJ) so there is your proof.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
LOL
Calm down I was just poking fun at you that you just mentioned one game. In fact, I had been a bold supporter of bringing Amare to the Kings before the Sammy D trade and the draft. I even wouldve preferred him over Bosh.
"I have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot...and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why... I succeed." Michael Jordan.
by Surprise Team on Jun 29, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
"would've"
as in, I would have in the past.
"I have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot...and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why... I succeed." Michael Jordan.
by Surprise Team on Jun 30, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Other...
Too narrow of a list because these guys are all too expensive IMO.
Maybe we would be ready in a year or two years..
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Though I understand that getting a guard is our biggest need
It may be that this the limited options for a guard on this list is driving the voting…
We just don’t need an expensive free agent big.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Wait a year or two....
Tyreke, DMC, Omri, Green, JT, maybe Landry. That is our core right? Let them play a season or two, get better (and older) then add a big time FA to take us to the next level.
Amare's had surgery... on both knees... some more than once...
Career trajectory worse than Kenyon Martin’s. You talk about Dirk in 3 years? Will Amare still be playing?
Well, if you consider that amar'e avg'd nearly 30/10 down the stretch of the season as a barameter, then sure, he'll still be playing
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
DIRK?
I think Dirk is one of the best ever, def one of the best of the last ten years but why would we want him? HE’S NEVER WON in his prime so why would you take him when hes on his last legs?
I don't want either of those guys.
I’d rather wait to see if the technology develops to meld JT and Landry into one person.
by VenomySnicket on Jun 29, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait a minute
The Mavs did self-destruct in the FInals, but they certainly were not helped by the refs calling a foul if anyone even looked at Wade funny.
By your logic
Webber was horrible because he never won either. SO was Sir Charles, and Karl Stockton.
I voted for JJ.
Even though I’d love a front court stud like Boozer or Lee, it would just bollocks up what Petrie is trying to do. What we really need is another perimeter player that can sit on the 3-pt line and drop 35%+ 3’s and can defend.
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I feel like we need some more guidance on what our vote means.
With the draft board, contracts weren’t an issue because any of them would have gotten the same contract. With this, are we assuming equal contracts for all of them and judging on talent/age/fit alone? Or are we figuring market rate contracts and the subsequent impact on our future flexibility? My vote would be vastly different if it were the former (Johnson) rather than the latter (Other, under the assumption that each of these players would command a large enough salary that there might just be more cost than benefit in acquiring them).
The first three are probably going to get about the max amount and length, and I’m not sure I’d want any of them for that. The next two are good front court players who will get expensive and long deals, and I’m not sure they make sense after our recent trade and draft. But if it’s just a question of talent, fit, and age, I’d like Johnson off this list.
Johnson
We need a defensive, 3-point sharpshooter. With Johnson, I believe the team would be very balanced and versitile at all positions. My dream team come true.
Joe johnson career averages from three is 37.4% his ft% is 79.2 and his fg% is 44.3
I think Raja Bell would fit that need
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
Joe Johnson is one of the few players that isolates more than Tyreke.
Two heavily ball dominant players simply won’t work. JJ is not worth the max. I used to like JJ but his “dribble dribble fade away shot” is unbearable to watch. Dirk is an actual franchise player. Has the best offense out of the group. An epic mid range game and an excellent long range shooter.
Rebuilding the Kings.
How about no free agents?
It looks like our frontline is set. We’re good at the 3. We could obviously really use another guard that can defend well and be a spot up shooter. Why not just rent out the cap room to a team that wants to spend less this year and pick up an extra first rounder, where Petrie can surely find another guard that’s a decent defender and shooter in next year’s draft?
Or hell, just use next year’s late lottery pick on that type of player?
#vfettkefordraft
If I had to choose,
I would say Joe Johnson because he is a guard and he would fit the best with the team. He can also knock down open shots with ease, and he has range from everywhere. Could the Kings ever win a championship with Tyreke, Johnson and Cousins as their big three. If Lebron signs with Bosh in Miami with Wade then the answer is definately no.
I really believe the Kings could put together a team next year that won’t just be a solid playoff team that gets knocked out every year. A team that would legitimately have a chance to win a championship each year for a few years. It would be Tyreke, Anthony, and Cousins as the Big Three. Now if you can sign Joe Johnson and still have room to sign Carmelo next year, then I would definately do it. Since Tyreke and Cousins are still so young they probably can afford to do it.
A starting lineup of Tyreke, Johnson, Carmelo, Thompson, and Cousins would give you a chance to win a chmpionship.
how the heck did Anthony pop in there?
Carmelo?
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll save you the trouble
He isn’t coming here. He is also probably signing an extension this offseason before the collective bargaining agreement ends.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Doubt it
I think the extension is happening sooner rather than later.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5318846
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Well that salesman better be as good a salesman as Alec Baldwin was in Glengarry Glen Ross
and have a time machine to go along with it.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
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"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
by otis29 on Jun 29, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It takes brass balls to sell real estate
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Considering we can't ask Carmelo at this moment if he wants to come to Sac, I am not sure if this plan is going to work.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
and how do you think they would know one year in advance they can sign Carmelo?
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Your right, I dont think they can communicate with him.
I think they should still make sure they could if he is available next year.
I think they should be capable of singing him next year.
I wouldn’t like to see them go all in on just Joe Johnson.
Well when you put it that way
Your right they should be able to sign him next year. Maybe they can set up a talk with Carmelo this week and make sure if he can promise them he signs with them. Once they take care of that then maybe they can go after JJ. You think that sounds like a good idea?
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Doesn't matter really
I think it’s okay, but after we lock up Carmelo with our verbal agreement where he promises to sign with us in a year, JJ would just need to make shots and run the offense from time to time when Tyreke is out.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
To be honest, I think raja bell is a good fit here: he can def. hit the three, defend, make the extra pass, he is everything you guys could possibly need and he'd come cheap considering his injury records and his achilles
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
Raja's a nice fit
But he’s going to a contender. He’s too beat up to want to play for a rebuilding team. There’s already been Lakers rumors swirling.
I know, I'd kill myself if he went to LA; I think he'll go to the team that fits him best
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
This would be a bold move-sign dirk and have him play sg; after all he is like a big shooting guard rather than a center
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
I don't see that could ever go wrong
Totally perfect idea. I can see him fitting in at the 2 guard spot perfectly.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I know, totally, he’ll be on the floor at the same time as cousins/dali/landry/jt, that’ll really stretch the defense and he could attack the basket once he has a smaller guy guarding him
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
Totally plus he would be able to guard any 2 guard in the league.
And he’s got good enough ball handling skills that no two guard would be able to steal the ball from him. Too fast driving to the hoop too.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
So then: I'd look into morrow, bell, and reddick agreed?
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
yeah that might work out better
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I was worried you were about to fall into the sarchasm
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Amar'e might have just made verbal agreement with the suns; he said on his twitter that he was going to have a great meeting with the suns
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
I don't think he can talk to them until Thursday at midnight
So yeah he probably has planned a meeting right at that moment
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
really? I honestly didn't know that
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
oops
He can talk to them . . .
Yes, it’s only tempering when another team has talks with the player while he is under contract.
so it might make sense for the Suns to go in hard for him right before he is a free agent
if they are willing to spend a lot at least.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s always a cat and mouse game. The player could prematurely agree to a contract that is less than market value or the team could pay a price that’s far greater than market value.
Personally, I always get a kick out of contracts that are signed or agreed to the minute after free agency opens. Unless the contract is a maximum or greatly exceeds the players expectations I don’t understand why they wouldn’t at least wait around an hour or two. I gave Chris Webber credit because he waited a few days to get all the offers in before deciding (at least that is how I remember, I could be dead wrong).
To be honest, most of the deals done right away are maximum or exceeding the player's value.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Webber did wait, he was actually thinking about going to the Pacers
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the Maloofs stories about signing that $20 million dollar check each year. I guess the staff would just bring in the check to sign along with the other typical bills. The check was written out to Chris’s mother (or some family member’s name) so according to the Maloofs they would see a $20 million value on the check, not recognize name or what’s it’s for and start to panic.
I should clarify
His team cannot officially offer him a new contract until the start of the free agent period. However nothing is stopping the two parties from negotiating. The Suns can practically tell him the contract they plan to offer, if they choose.
I think the front office is capable of turning the Kings into a playoff team after this years free agency.
However, I hope they try really hard to build a team that isn’t just a good team, but is a great team…. Like Ainge did with Boston.
Mike Miller is another
killer shot from the perimeter. 6’-8" SG would make us freaking huge in the back-court.
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