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A Long Shot and a Hot Shot

We all know Geoff likes to operate under the radar.  Stealthy.  The F-117 of NBA GMs.  Looking to exploit an advantage where it can be gained.  His two recent trades were as unsuspecting as they were transformative to team identity, swapping perceived building blocks K-Mart and Spencer, for Top Hat and Sammy D.  

Softness for toughness.  Finesse for force.

 

Now what?

 

Free agency begins in less than 48 hours, and unlike BTE, I find the whole process endlessly intriguing.  A handful of players courted by a handful of teams.  It reminds me of a high school dance where the prettiest of girls line up on one side of the gym, and the most courageous of boys try their luck.  Unfortunately, the lighting is dim, so even if she accepts your advances, you are uncertain if you are dancing with the prom queen or chess club president.

 

 

 

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Chris Bosh has declared he wants no part of Sacramento.  He is likely destined for Chicago (two max spots), New York (two max spots), NJ (one max spot), or Miami (two max spots).  Today ESPN reports his return to the Raptors is unlikely, as has been suspected for months.  If he foregoes a sign and trade, he gives up $30 million dollars.  This is where Geoff could step to the table, and play his cards.

The millions are going to fly fast and furious on Thursday and soon thereafter.  Once Lebron commits, dominoes will fall.  Does Bosh want to play second fiddle to the King?  To Dwayne Wade?  Maybe not:

 

"I don’t want to be mentioned as an addition to a team," Bosh recently told NBA Entertainment. "I want to be mentioned as the guy that people want to center their team around....I want people to know that, because I’m not somebody that helps out. I’m the guy you get like, ‘Yo, we’re going to win a championship, you’re gonna take us there.’"

If CB4 delays his decision, league cap space will dissolve quickly, as teams scramble after the top FA prizes:  LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Johnson, Boozer, Amare, Dirk, and David Lee.  Once the only two unquestionable max deal players, Wade and LeBron, declare their intentions, Bosh has a decision.  Do I join up with one or both of them, and take a back-seat, perhaps grudgingly (if the above quote is true), and cough up $30 million in the process?  Am I willing to forego dollars and top dog status in the pursuit of a ring?  Do not discount the role of the player’s ego in formulating his action plan. 

 

A four year extension to Carl Landry at 10 million per annum would be the logical sign-and-trade offer to the Raptors, to allow Bosh to get his extra $30 million. Would the Maloofs sign off on a 6 year, 100+ million contract to Bosh?  Would Bosh reconsider his previous stance following our draft success?  Would the Raptors welcome Landry as a Bosh lite?  Unlikely all questions will answer in the affirmative, but know they will be asked by and between involved parties.  For the Kings, the upgrade from Top Hat to Bosh could be the difference between a 45-win team to a 55-win team, from playoff participant to championship contender.  

 

Stay tuned. Geoff is one of the best poker players at the table.  Folding his cards at first blush is not his style.

 

Nateshout

 

Nate Robinson could have been a King a season and a half ago, if the Knicks would not have balked in the 11th hour.  A trade was agreed to deadline day to send Nate and Jarred Jeffries to Sacto for Kenny Thomas, until the Knicks backed out.  Geoff was willing to take the dollars owed Jeffries, signed through 2010-11 at $7 million.  Now Nate can be obtained without the burden of a lousy contract.  

Also consider:

(1) Nate tallied 14 consecutive DNP-CDs by Mike D’Antoni last year, then came off the bench to score 41 points in an overtime win against the Hawks in January.  Nate doesn’t play for a month, but instead of demanding a trade, sulking, or slacking on game readiness, he steps up at first opportunity, and dominates.  I want this type of player on my team.  

 

(2) An offense will be prone to stagnate over the course of a season if the roster is composed of players who cannot create shots.  Mismatches are created by (a) talented speed, and (b) talented size.  A combo of guys who can beat their man off the dribble, and guys who can command double teams, (a) + (b), is a lethal one-two punch.

 

Talented size became a strength last week.  Talented speed is not.  Omri is our best transition player, relative to his position. Sammy D can outrun centers.  Our wings, and guard line, however, are not known for their speed. Beno and Cisco will not be confused with Tony Parker.  Tyreke exploits defenders with size and craftiness, as much as with quickness.

 

The Kings will clean the boards next season.  In a week span, we became a Top 10 rebounding team, perhaps better. So let’s rebound and run.  Rebounders need an outlet man.  Tyreke will be the primary ball handler for about 30 minutes out of 48 minutes a game, if you assume up to 10 minutes he rests, and up to 10 minutes, he plays off the ball.  A spark plug is needed for those 20 minutes.  Enter Nate.

 

The Kings saw what a back-up pass first PG could do last year.  Other possibilities, Luke Ridonaur and Steve Blake, are modest upgrades to White Chocolate (Sergio).  Lets call them the imported brand, but still likely to melt in your hands, and stain the sofa.  I prefer premium Godiva dark chocolate, even with a few nuts.  :P

 

(3) Nate played well in the NBA Finals, including key end of game minutes.  This experience will bode well for him, and for the team he joins. With the exception of Landry, no Kings player has tasted playoff success.  Beno has a ring with the Spurs, but did not play an integral role in obtaining it.  Nate made a difference for the Celts, scoring inside, outside, playing pesky on the ball defense.  He has displayed recent maturity, and degree of selfless play, long considered questionable traits.

 

A long shot and a hot shot.  Or shot down? Let the recruiting begin. Prom queens wanted.  Chess club members, aka Raymond Felton (yawn), need not apply.

 

I have gone on record as to what I expect will occur.  But I have recently returned to walk, and blog, among the living.  Trust a zombie with league pass, and a cyber vendetta, at your own peril. ;)

 

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(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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Another excellent fanpost blob

And I’m with you, I like Robinson as well. I don’t get the Nate Hate.

"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."

by otis29 on Jun 29, 2010 2:45 PM PDT reply actions  

If he signs with the Kings, give it a year or two

and you will fully understand the Nate Hate

Hey! What're you kicking me for? You want me to ask? All right, I'll ask! Ma'am, where do the high school girls hang out in this town?

by wallywagon11 on Jun 29, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't have an expectation of him becoming a superstar

"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."

by otis29 on Jun 29, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it has more to do with the locker room and shot selection, less to do with skill level expectations.

Robinson is the guy I have pegged Petrie to chase but that doesn’t mean that I am ecstatic about it. Robinson has really wore on his teammates, so much that many people believe that he has worn out his welcome even in Boston. He is a risk/reward player who will help fill a few more seats. I would sign him to a 2 year deal, maybe even a one year deal with a second year team option. He can either be an ass kicker or a guy who gets his ass kicked to the curb. I really don’t see a lot of middle ground.

Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.

PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.

***Update***

Cousins can be a major star.

PookeyGuru- June 23, 2010.

by jjham15 on Jun 29, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

No but you should expect him to be a jerk

Which is what he is. That’s why there is a lot of Nate Hate. His personality sucks.

by Smills9133 on Jun 29, 2010 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks otis

Nate was a fan favorite in NY. He was maligned by a coach who has underachieved for two seasons

by bench_blob on Jun 29, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Both?

After getting Bosh at a max deal, wouldn’t we be over the cap at that point? Is it sequencing deal (sign nate first, then resign Carl and then trade to Raps?). Lastly, would Carl re-sign if he knew he’d end up in Toronto? Don’t get me wrong, I too have wonder-lust for Bosh and wonder if his trade demands might be different now than when he gave his “list” a month or so ago.

by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jun 29, 2010 3:06 PM PDT reply actions  

If you gave max money to Bosh but traded Landry in the deal...

then the Kings would still have a few million to work with. 17 – 3 = 14. 16.5 -14= 2.5ish.

It would depend on the market for Nate Robinson.

Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.

PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.

***Update***

Cousins can be a major star.

PookeyGuru- June 23, 2010.

by jjham15 on Jun 29, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Landry is under contract, any amount spent would be future earnings, not this season.

Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.

PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.

***Update***

Cousins can be a major star.

PookeyGuru- June 23, 2010.

by jjham15 on Jun 29, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I like that Kings Fans Shoot for the moon.

soley on the premise: Why not Us?

Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.

by Shadrack on Jun 29, 2010 3:21 PM PDT reply actions  

I fully agree

Bosh makes this Kings team a championship contender.

by Mityt on Jun 29, 2010 3:58 PM PDT reply actions  

in 3 years

I really would love to believe that the addition of Bosh would make us a “Championship Contender” but IMO, the Lakers, Nuggets, Thunder would still be the toast of the western conference. Reke has to develop, Cousins needs to develop, hell, the whole team needs time. I think Bosh would make us a 45-48 win team in year 1.

If the Lakers were on channel 5 and there were a bunch of frogs making love on channel 6, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy!

by King7420 on Jun 29, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

82 game season, so I guess your saying we'd make it into the 2nd or 3rd round of the playoffs.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
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by HighTops on Jun 29, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Highly confused

How did you get that from my comment

If the Lakers were on channel 5 and there were a bunch of frogs making love on channel 6, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy!

by King7420 on Jun 29, 2010 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

MY bad, read 45-48 as a 45 win 48 loses season. not 45 to 48 wins, sorry

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
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by HighTops on Jun 30, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

48 wins would leave us out of the playoffs

If the Lakers were on channel 5 and there were a bunch of frogs making love on channel 6, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy!

by King7420 on Jun 29, 2010 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't know that.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 30, 2010 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

its obviously not a magic #

But as Im sure you know 50 was the magic # in the wc last year

If the Lakers were on channel 5 and there were a bunch of frogs making love on channel 6, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy!

by King7420 on Jun 30, 2010 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I understand that. But it's never the same number ever year. And it's not like you can predict exactly what will happen with many things changing the Western Conference this season as well.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 30, 2010 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

No doubt.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 30, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love your style and positive thinking, but Bosh is going where he can get a ring now.

He’s going to get the max where ever he goes, because he’s going to get a max S&T. So, he’s only going to the team with the best chance of a ring. Bosh & LBJ in Chicago, Bosh & LBJ in Cleveland, and Bosh, LBJ & Wade in Miami, and not Bosh, Evan & Dalembert in Sacramento the team with one of the lowest wins totals over the last 2 years and the lowest paid coach.

I like Nate for his speed, but we don’t need another chucker. We need some one to fill in the gaps at PG while Evans develops his playmaking skills or until he develops his long range shot and gets moved to the 2 permanently. So, I’ll take the modest upgrades from Sergio, (Ridnour or Blake). Nothing fancy, just solid ball handling with limited turnovers and a decent outside shot.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy

by HighTops on Jun 29, 2010 4:43 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree on Bosh and disagree on N8te

Bosh wouldn’t come and risk spending possibly 3 prime years on a rebuilding team and I don’t think we’d give him the max either.

Nate may be an occasional chucker but his other attributes:

1) an extreme change of pace from anyone on our current roster causing other teams to make adjustments – many just aren’t capable of.

2) ability to distribute the ball (which our other chuckers (Noce is who you are r/wouldn’teferring to?) couldn’t

3) can create his own shot and change the whole dynamic of a game for short periods.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jun 29, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

He a high frequency shooter,

In his best year with the Knicks the averaged 14 shot is 30 mpg and only 4 assists. And, while I appreciate the change of speed (he is fast), I see him as a guy who worked well in D’Antoni’s offense, racing down the floor and putting up a quick shot. I just don’t like him running a half court offense and feeding into the post.

Being able to create his own shot isn’t a skill we need at the PG. Both Evans and Beno can already do that. I think there are bigger and better backup PG’s available, that can get us into the offense quicker than what we are.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy

by HighTops on Jun 29, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's also not an outside shooter really.

His game is athleticism and energy. I’m not convinced the Kings really need that. People focus way too much on Sergio. He wasn’t worth keeping. It’s why the Kings traded him.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 29, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know it's early but can we limit calling the Kings a rebuilding team?

Hopefully by mid-season it will end completely. We now have(hopefully) a solid foundation. Maybe even more than just a foundation. Maybe I’m overly excited but I feel we only need a good bench player or 2 + growth.

OKC’s win total jumped very traumaticly without really added anyone. Just by growth. We added a shitload of talent & we should also have growth. Last season everyone was saying “man if only we can add a defensive bigman” or “man if only we had a shotblocker & defensive rebounder” We added low-post scoring, which we didn’t have until Landry. We dumped our soft ass center.

Now we are talking about bypassing big money free agents for scrubs like Ridnour & Blake. I think(& hope) we are pretty much built. We just need to grow & mesh.

I love beating dead horses.

by allbenji's on Jun 29, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

OKC is not a valid comparison

They have Durant, who is probably one of the 5-10 best players in the game, and they have Westbrook, who is also better than every player on our team, with apologies to Tyreke. The rest of the team plays solid team basketball and they have an excellent young coach.

And we have Tyreke, and our second-best player is Carl Landry, and now we’ve added a center who’s averaged 26 minutes a game for his career. And a point guard playing out of position at shooting guard, a guy coming off a serious injury in Francisco and two young projects in Omri and Donte pencilled in at SF. And a rookie power forward-center who probably won’t start and will have a lot of growing pains even when/if he does. And a solid third-year power forward who may not have a breakout season because he might only play 20-25 minutes a game.

We’re not OKC by a long shot.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Jun 29, 2010 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Westbrook is not necessarily better than Tyreke.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 29, 2010 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Westbrook by himself is not a franchise talent, like Tyreke is. He’s extremely good, but he’s not a franchise level player. Westbrook also gets to play with the most naturally gifted scorer in the game so he doesn’t really have to take any heat defensively as everyone is so focused on Durant.

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by Aykis16 on Jun 30, 2010 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

RW0's offensive inefficiency doesn't shine through the way it would if Durant was around.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 30, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let me restate

RW0"s inefficiency would be far more noticeable and problematic without the Durantula around.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 30, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

You could look at that another way

He might average five points more a game if he took some of the shots that now go to Durant.

Westbrook is a stud, as he showed the Lakers.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Jun 30, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Westbrook is also inefficient during the regular season. Doing so against Farmar & Fisher doesn't tell me much.

There are 2 sides to this coin.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 30, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wish the Kings had another "inefficient" player like that

Played all 82 games, averaged more than 34 minutes a game, outstanding defender, 16 points, eight assists, five boards a game, shoots 80% from the line. Needs to improve his shooting, but the guy is a stud.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Jun 30, 2010 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well yes

I understand all that. I like Westbrook. That doesn’t mean I’d swap him straight up for Tyreke Evans though. You can believe Westbrook is better. That’s your right.

I’m not going to get into one of these semantic debates with you about Westbrook & Evans. It’s dumb.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 30, 2010 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's an interesting debate

And I’d say both aren’t good enough to be a one-man team or a top 10 in the league talent or what you call a “franchise player.” That kind of player just about makes a team win 50 games automatically.

But they can both be excellent complementary players. Westbrook has figured that out. Can Tyreke? Will he? I think that’s the million-dollar question for the Kings going forward.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Jun 30, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry

I just disagree with you. I think Tyreke is better than Westbrook. Whether he’s at the same level of Durant is to be a matter of opinion. Right now I’m leaning no.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2010 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for ignoring the comment :)

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Jul 1, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's what I do.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Again, I think they are both ultimately sidekicks

Not the straw that stirs the drink. Not a real contender, anyway. Which means the Kings ultimately will need a real No. 1 man in town.

Westbrook has already accepted that reality. I’m not sure Tyreke ever will.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Jul 1, 2010 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's a better point guard

and a better player. But he grew a lot in his second year. We’ll see what Tyreke does to advance his game.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Jun 30, 2010 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

You’re on crack right now.

by caseycheesecake on Jun 30, 2010 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think

by most accounts and stats, Westbrook is a better PG. Not sure about better player, tho—it’s close.

by DustyG on Jun 30, 2010 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Playing on a better team does not make him a better player.

I like him, and he grew, but I don’t consider him a better player. I’m not even being a homer.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 30, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree Durant is a freak of nature

I disagree with a few other things. I would argue 2nd half of the season, nightly triple-double threat Tyreke is just as good as 2rd year Westbrook. Landry is way better than Jeff Green. OKC had(Key word=had) no front line. We now have a beastly front line who could compete with any front line in the league imo.

Also I wasn’t comparing us to OKC equally. It was just a comparison. I don’t believe we will make the playoffs & push the Lakers to 6 games. I was more thinking it wouldn’t be a shock if we won 40 games & I was saying we have most of our key pieces (hopefully). If all we’re talking about is adding a back-up gaurd then I think we could consider our team built. We just need growth

I love beating dead horses.

by allbenji's on Jun 30, 2010 9:05 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Way too premature to make this claim
We now have a beastly front line who could compete with any front line in the league imo.

Good potential at this point, but in reality, a long way to go.

It’s the same with the team. We have one player who is probably in the top 10 at his position, a couple of others on the borderline, and two starters who are average or below average at this point. We have to either count on our young players getting better or make moves to upgrade at all positions over time or both.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Jun 30, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Premature? Maybe but

Dalembert is one of the best defensive centers in the league. Even though he might be an underacheiver this is still a fact

Another fact is Demarcus Cousins was the best big man in college basketball. In a college season where 28 big men where taken in the draft & 12 were taken in the first round.

I love beating dead horses.

by allbenji's on Jun 30, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Apparently the Nets thought he was the second best big.

And in the last game of the season, with the season slipping away, Caliprai apparently thought Patterson was the better option.

Dalembert is a very good defender. And we are definitely in better shape up front than we have been for quite some time. I hope they are able to improve the rest of the team in similar fashion.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Jun 30, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Durant is on the front line

And is a combo F not a true SF or PF. Pairing up players who can augment Durant’s strengths/weaknesses is no simple task.

Russell Westbrook James Harden Kevin Durant Serge Ibaka and Cole Aldrich is a potentially great team though.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 30, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll remember you said that.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 30, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am somewhere in the middle

I don’t believe Aldrich & Ibaka equals great but I do believe they are great for OKC. Aldrich was a great pick-up for them.

I love beating dead horses.

by allbenji's on Jun 30, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

really?
Russell Westbrook James Harden Kevin Durant Serge Ibaka and Cole Aldrich is a potentially great team though.

Great?

I don’t see it. Only one Star makes a playoff team but not a contender.

Westbrook is not a Star IMO, (maybe a borderline All-Star because of Durant) and the rest are solid role role players.

I don’t think Hardin is even a starter in this league on a good team and probably not Aldrich either – though we’ll see.

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by lietothegirls on Jun 30, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

You will see.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 30, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can buy all the pieces to a house, but until you put them together you have nothing

We didn’t go from a 25 win rebuilding club to a playoff team just because we added a couple of pieces. Evans isn’t a complete player. In fact no one on the roster is, and we won’t be a non-rebuilding team until we have all of the backcourt positions filled and I don’t mean by 3 or 4 combo guards.

Until Tyreke settles into a permanent postion so we know whether or not we need to add a Starting PG or a Starting SG, we’re still going to be rebuilding. So, that mean continue to struggle with missing pieces, or add minimum cost pieces that fill a need until we add the final upgrades. It’s obvious that Beno & Cisco aren’t the final upgrades to the backcourt. So, anyone that can complement Evans in the backcourt at a reasonable price should be considered. Unless you know for certain which position Tyreke will end up playing when the rebuild is finally over.

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by HighTops on Jun 29, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

OKC won 23 games in 08-09

They won 50 games in 09-10. They really added James Harden and Eric Maynor as rookies. Not substantial pieces of veteran to argue growth there.

Sorry, but people saying OKC is outlandish in growth are really talking about Westbrook/Durant/Green/Ibaka. Those guys grew. That’s what going to make the Kings better. No more or less.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 29, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Part of the equation of GROWTH

is the natural attrition of other WC power houses too.

Perennial playoff Teams like the Suns, Jazz, Spurs and maybe Rockets and Mavs(depending on how FA goes) could find themselves on the outside looking in this year due to attrition and/or losing key cogs.

by Smills9133 on Jul 1, 2010 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Until Tyreke settles into a permanent postion

I hope you keep pushing the ideology that positions matter more than how players skills and talents fit together. Really. It gives me a hearty laugh everytime you do HT.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 29, 2010 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know me, Old School to a fault

Right now Evans skills and talents don’t fit either of the backcourt positions. We gave him the ball for the whole season, he got his 20,5,&5 and ROY, and the Kings got 25 wins. Not his fault alone, but as a PG he didn’t make others better or run the half court offense that well.

What I’d really like is to see the Kings, decide who his backcourt mate is going to be and get it done. Instead of having him run the offense teamed up with a PG who barely distributes better than he does. The truth is the KIngs drafted a player and not a PG or SG, so now it’s up to them to decide who’s best to team up with him. But, until they do, I’ll just stay old school and call him napg and nasg, and pray that we add a playmaker.

As for OKC, if Tyreke were as good a player as Durant, and Beno was as good as Westbrook and Landry were as good as Green, then I’d give us a chance to get to 40+ wins. But, they’re not.

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by HighTops on Jun 29, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I know HT. I ain't going to fault you for being old school.....

….but that ain’t old school that’s near & dear to my heart. I don’t need the Kings to be set at the position next to Tyreke as long as Tyreke continues to grow. As long as Tyreke continues to grow, who plays next to him matters less.

I understand your point about OKC. I’m not comparing Beno to Westbrook or Landry to Green. I think that comparison would be better served with DMC & Donte/Omri. But that’s me.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 29, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amen

That’s the great thing about summer, it’s perfect for dreaming. But Bosh ain’t coming here.

Nate is OK. I don’t hate the guy, I just don’t think he’s what we need. I agree that a solid, but lower-tier point guard who will accept being a sub but can give you solid minutes is a must. I think the shooting guard can either be a star like Joe Johnson or a rookie like the kid from Virginia, but nothing in-between.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Jun 29, 2010 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gotta ask:
For the Kings, the upgrade from Top Hat to Bosh could be the difference between a 45-win team to a 55-win team, from playoff participant to championship contender.

Are you suggesting that the current team is capable of winning 45 games this season?

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Jun 29, 2010 5:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Don't forget
playoff participant

Now wouldn’t that be nice…

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Jun 29, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wins? This next season?

It may be a long one for you then…

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by edm7 on Jun 29, 2010 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I understand the low expectations

It works for some people. I felt that way before last season. I don’t feel I am being blindly optimistic. We possibly fixed most of our biggest weaknesses. So now what’s the big problem? Youth? Perhaps but that should lead to a tough start & great finish. Or vice versa.

I love beating dead horses.

by allbenji's on Jun 29, 2010 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Could be

Always hope for the best but understand that it rarely happens. I’d love to get to 40 Ws, but it just seems unrealistic at this point in time.

It’s good to be optimistic (I should know that) as long as that optimism doesn’t lead to false expectations. I think that’s how a lot of dissapointment and complaining begins.

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by edm7 on Jun 29, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Too true,

the Kings were 7 & 43 agains plus .500 teams last season. While adding 2 centers fills a great need, that’s not going to add 15 more wins. Learning to play team defense and Tyreke learning to get the other players involved in the half court offense will. But, whether or not that happens is still to be seen, and will be a great test of Westphal’s coaching ability.

Adding DMC and Sam, isn’t going to reduce our turnovers or increase our FT%, or reduce our fouls or make us a better shooting team. I’d love 40 wins but I’d be happy with 35 and beating LA at least once.

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by HighTops on Jun 29, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's no guarantee that getting a PG who gets players involved in the offense will make the team better.

How much impact did Sergio have once the Kings started struggling?

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by pookeyguru on Jun 29, 2010 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know better than to use that arguement

There’s no guarantees at all. Sergio was too wild but he had his moments. Look at the team. Look what was missing last year. Then fill those needs and hope it leads to improvement, that’s all I can suggest.

We have 2 centers that can finish strong at the rim, one of which needs to be set up to score (Sam). What did the Kings do poorly last season, answer assists in the paint. Beno & Tyreke averaged 2.2 and 2.1 assts per game inside 10 ft. To me that says that our bigs aren’t going to get too many easy baskets, and that not going to help our half court offense.

Now, we can sit back and wait to see whether things improve this season, but like I said when I see a need I like to fill it. If we can get another playmaker at a reasonable price, we should spend the money. You never know he might turn out to be better than Beno, and make Beno and his contract expendable.

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by HighTops on Jun 29, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Tyreke was so terrible at making passes into the paint....

…how did Carl Landry score so many buckets inside?

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by pookeyguru on Jun 29, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

He did most of it on his own

Have you forgotten already. The KIngs offense being mostly Iso with Evan and Landry going on their own.

Landry averaged 3.4 baskets on 4.9 attempts at the rim but only 54% were assisted or 1.8 per game. And, inside 10 ft, he made 0.6 baskets on 2.0 attempts and only 41% of those were assisted.

So, of his 18ppg only 4 pts came on assisted baskets inside 10 ft, and that’s from all players not just Beno & Tyreke.

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by HighTops on Jun 29, 2010 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

And, you used the word terrible, I didn't

I said that he just didn’t do a lot of it. I think the way he attacks the rim, by picking up his dribble, tucking the ball into his side and jog stepping his way to the rim just doesn’t lend itself to passing off.

Plus he finished at almost 60% at the rim, so the most prudent thing to do might have been just to score and let the bigs battle for the offensive rebounds. But, he isn’t always on the court and when he isn’t running the offense, Beno isn’t any better.
SO, that leads me to believe that we still need a backup playmaker.

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by HighTops on Jun 29, 2010 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okey.

I’m not against another playmaker, but that playmaker won’t make the difference in the Kings becoming a championship level team. It’s Tyreke learning to make those plays.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 29, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's going to be a lot of things

We need to have a couple of shooters on the wings around Evans. Casspi and Green could be a couple of them. We also need better team defense. That’s going to require experience with each other, as well as better perimeter defense. We could use another guy to matchup defensively with the faster point guards in the league, and handle playmaking and initiation responsibilities.

by rory_sayer on Jun 30, 2010 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Absolutely agree, adding a max FA doesn't make this a championship team.

Defensively, we are so far from being a championship caliber team, that no one player is going change us much.

Offensively, a couple of stars can carry you, but not defensively.

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by HighTops on Jun 30, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Kings are going to get better defensively unless all the guys brought in completely flop.

And Tyreke, Omri, and Donte regress defensively.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 30, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I said it the day the trade went down, well in advance of the draft:

Watch how smart everyone looks on defense with Dalembert lurking behind them. A skill set like that covers a lot of flaws, and allows everyone to work harder on perimeter defense.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Jun 30, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right Sims.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 30, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

You'd hope so, but

I thought that they would get better defending the pick an roll last season but they didn’t.

Sometimes it’s not only the players, but the system and I still don’t know how well any of the players are picking up the system.

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by HighTops on Jun 30, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah that is so true.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 30, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I did say growth would play a huge part. I believe this qualifies as growth
Learning to play team defense and Tyreke learning to get the other players involved in the half court offense will. But, whether or not that happens is still to be seen, and will be a great test of Westphal’s coaching ability.

I love beating dead horses.

by allbenji's on Jun 30, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

As good as Landry...

operates out of the low post, and he is really good, Bosh is better. And he is a far better rebounder, defender, and passer. And he is also a clutch performer. I watched a lot of Raptors games, and I see him as a notch above of Chris Webber in his prime. And Webber for a couple of years was awesome. So over the course of a season I see that playing out as a 10 game improvement.

Whether that would happen next year or the following would depend on how fast Tyreke, DMC, Donte and Omri develop as players.

Another way to look at it is when you have a roster with two superstars, one emerging and one established, hypothetically, with Tyreke and Bosh, plus decent players at other positions, thats a 45-win team, at minimum.

by bench_blob on Jun 29, 2010 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is a good point about N8
(1) Nate tallied 14 consecutive DNP-CDs by Mike D’Antoni last year, then came off the bench to score 41 points in an overtime win against the Hawks in January. Nate doesn’t play for a month, but instead of demanding a trade, sulking, or slacking on game readiness, he steps up at first opportunity, and dominates. I want this type of player on my team.

Never thought of him that way before. But he did whine a bit. But, nonetheless, excellent point. Don’t know if that changes my anti-N8 attitude a bit.

by Smills9133 on Jun 29, 2010 6:39 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm indifferent towards Nate

He’s not my first choice, not by a long shot. I think he thinks he’s Allen Iverson, when he’s clearly not.

That being said, it’s really hard to dislike the guy. He’s got Little Man’s Syndrome like no other. He may think he’s better than he really is, but he constantly works his ass off. Sometimes it works out and he makes an amazing play. Sometimes it doesn’t work out at all and you can’t help but to get frustrated. But, we love Cisco for it, so why not Nate? If Petrie signs him I won’t be mad. I’ll be perfectly content.

Maybe he’ll add me as a friend on Call of Duty!

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Jun 29, 2010 7:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Me too

Nate is not going to make much more of a difference than Sergio. Bench players, especially players projected to play 15 minutes or less aren’t going to have much of an impact one way or the other.

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by Bluejohn on Jun 29, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Nate off the bench works really well if we're able to bring Landry off the bench too

That way we’re able to get that offensive spark no matter what. If Nate’s ineffective at least Landry’s there to back him up with his efficiency and consistency. If Nate decides to go off, then even better

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Jun 29, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

No way will CB4 come to Sacramento.

But despite that conclusion, it was a good read.

I think we need to be less ambitious if we’re going to play the FA game. I don’t want to be that guy who pays a middle tier FA like Carlos Boozer or Joe Johnson the max under any circumstances. If we go for a star caliber player, it would most likely be Rudy Gay seeing as SF production is our greatest need anyways.

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by Schneezel on Jun 29, 2010 7:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Agree that SF is our biggest position in need of an upgrade

Omri and Donte may get there in time or might not. Rudy Gay is already “there.”

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Jun 29, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

To add

The odds of the Cs resigning Nate are probably slim:

(1) They drafted Avery Bradley, who they plan to play as a back-up PG to Rondo.
(2) They are up against the cap as is, and need to resign Ray Allen. (even though he cost them the championship, lol)

by bench_blob on Jun 29, 2010 8:47 PM PDT reply actions  

and Paul Pierce now

He opted out. That would be absolutely brutal for the organization to lose Doc Rivers, Ray Allen, AND Paul Pierce!

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by Schneezel on Jun 30, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

good article

If the Lakers were on channel 5 and there were a bunch of frogs making love on channel 6, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy!

by King7420 on Jun 29, 2010 11:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Isn't Randle basically a cheaper Nate without attitude?

Randle would be a quick change of pace guard that might try and play D also because he has not earned a spot like Nate thinks he has. I would rather take a cheaper flyer on someone like that

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by want2win on Jun 30, 2010 5:57 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

yea, that's pretty true

but nate is a 3 time dunk champion. 3 TIMES!!!

Let us usher in the era of Reke DMC!

by Shizzo on Jun 30, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dunk champions mean little in competitive basketball.

Michael Jordan won the dunk contest. What did that have to do with the rest of his career? Kobe Bryant? Ditto. Julius Erving? Ditto. Dominique Wilkins? Ditto. I can keep going.

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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2010 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

u fell into the sarchasm

Let us usher in the era of Reke DMC!

by Shizzo on Jul 1, 2010 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Apparently.

Like your new sig line too. I was getting tired of the LBJ to Knicks idea.

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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 1, 2010 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Funnily enough the Kings were already a top 10 rebounding team

Coming in at 10th last year in Total Rebounds, and 15th in rebounding differential. Cousins, Dalembert are huge upgrades nonetheless, and this team could be among the best rebounding teams.

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by Aykis16 on Jun 30, 2010 7:23 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Dalembert – One of the best rebounding seasons ever last year
Cousins – Historically great rebounder in college
Brockman – Leads the league in RB/MIN.

:)

by caseycheesecake on Jun 30, 2010 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

And Cousins had better rebound rates than Brockman in college

Begin salivation.

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by Aykis16 on Jun 30, 2010 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is why I'm dying to play LA...

I get the feeling we’ll be the team that Bynum receives his next knee injury from.

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by Schneezel on Jun 30, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Glad you guys aren't regulars here, Have you ever heard of Karma?

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by HighTops on Jun 30, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously! Stop Saying that. I may not like the {Redacted}

but I won’t wish injuries on them.

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by lifestyleforthesellout on Jun 30, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

And now he has finally arrived. And his name...is Boogie.

Nice to meet you, as well, HighTops. I dig your posts. And I hear what you’re saying about keeping the game clean. It’s just that after years of seeing our frontcourt pushed around and called soft by the entire league, I’m excited to have some big men who can push back.

I don’t advocate hurting Bynum intentionally, Cobra Kai-style. Just play him so hard that he buckles under the pressure.

I mean, he’s going to get injured three times a season, anyway—all I’m asking for is one of those injuries to happen at Arco. With me at the game. And DeMarcus snarling “get up, sucka, so I can knock you down again!”

(Note: The last paragraph is tongue-in-cheek humor. It is intended to be playful, not serious, a very subtle sarcasm. The last line, about Cuz snarling “get up sucka,” is a reference to a dramatic Muhammad Ali victory over Sonny Liston in 1965, and is the O.G. equivelent of “pwned.”)

by basketball galactica on Jun 30, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't know you well enough to believe that you really wanted to hurt someone.

But, you might find it hard to start a conversation with anyone here, if one of our players has a serious knee injury playing against LA.

All for a bone rattling pick, or a dunk in your face or a block in your face, but I wish no man an injury that affects his livelihood, except maybe my daughters boyfriend. ;)

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by HighTops on Jun 30, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ha! Rec'd for exempting your daughter's boyfriend.

As I said, I like your posts HighTops, and I appreciate all the heavy lifting you did during the regular season. Go Kings!!

by basketball galactica on Jun 30, 2010 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't want either player.

Bosh is an imbecile. Making that statement seriously limits his appeal to my mind. He’s basically saying that he is the centerpiece or nothing. Sorry, I didn’t exactly see him put Toronto on his back. He is currently the most overrated FA. Personally I like Boozer a lot more. In addition, he fits NOWHERE on our current team. His position is crowded, and his leadership attitude is not welcome on a team that has been handed to Tyreke. We are going to have our hands full enough with DMC. The only star player I think is worth adding is Ray Allen as I think he would provide shooting, size, and oodles of leadership without any of the headache of being “the man.” It is also VERY unlikely that we get him.

As for Nate. A year ago I would have taken him in a heartbeat. Now not so much. This team is moving towards a more halfcourt style. We need defense, consistent outside shooting and size. Nate is an odd fit as anything other than THE designated scorer off the bench ala Vinnie Johnson. I don’t see where we need him. There are better options for this team.

by Hoops Mike on Jul 1, 2010 10:23 AM PDT reply actions  

I question your preference for Boozer over Bosh. Didn’t you see Boozer get owned in the playoffs by the Lakers? Bosh can hold is own offensively against large players.

by caseycheesecake on Jul 1, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s not the skill set – it’s the mercenary attitude that makes Boozer better for this team than Bosh. Boozer knows he’s good, but he also knows that you know that he’s not great. Bosh knows he is great, and if you don’t think so, then you’d better give him your candy. And your lunch money. And your lint. And you’d better tell your mama he’s great, too.

Boozer adapts to the scenario he is placed in. Bosh wants to dominate the scenario he is placed in. Tyreke dominates this scenario. Pay Boozer his money, he won’t say a word. Bosh will bitch every day, including Sunday.

Let’s not make a mistake, though – Bosh > Boozer.

by Charles L. Pierro on Jul 2, 2010 1:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting

You mean how Boozer had a double-double every game against the Lakers, and Bosh in his dominance didn’t get Toronto into the playoffs at all…???? Yeah, I saw that.

As I said, and Charles reiterates – his ATTITUDE is not what I’d hope to see. That aside, I still think he is overrated.

I don’t want us to acquire ANY forward currently. We need backcourt help.

by Hoops Mike on Jul 2, 2010 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

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