The Asinine Offseason Thread
by vfettke on Jun 30, 2010 10:22 PM PDT
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PrintOkay folks... this shit is getting ridiculous. Not every little idea is cut out to be a FanPost. No one wants to see a thread dedicated to each potential summer acquisition that can be summed up like so: "So and So is a free agent this summer. Wouldn't he look great in a Kings uniform? What do you think?" or "Should we try to trade for so and so? I hear he's available. He'd make a great fit!" We especially don't need these when Ziller's already posted like 9 Free Agent Threads today alone. But who knows? Maybe I'm wrong. If I am then Ziller or Section can feel free to smite me. But on the off chance that I'm right, let's put an end to this madness.
Not all of these posts cut it. I'm sorry, but it's true. That doesn't mean don't try. It just means we need to try a little harder, be a little more original. If you want to see some great FanPosts look at the sidebar under "Recommended FanPosts." There's plenty of examples of how this shit is done. I also highly recommend just about any of these. In now way am I trying to discourage anyone from posting. Not at all. I just want to encourage the best posting possible. So this thread is for random asinine ideas. Post here if your idea is shorter and you have trouble fleshing it out in more than 75 words. We call this BPS (Bizarro Pookey Syndrome).
Don't take this as me trying to be a dick. Do or do not, there is no try... remember?
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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Brandon Rush for Jason Thompson
Or Brandon Rush for Carl Landry.
Cousins>Landry>>Dally>>>Whitesides>JT>>>>> Brock
If Landry
Add in some other incentive.
Cousins>Landry>>Dally>>>Whitesides>JT>>>>> Brock
by mike murray on Jun 30, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you saw the trade on Realgm? Because there was a similar idea today.
Hmm…
Rebuilding the Kings.
While your at it, just give me a 1000 papercuts, throw me in a vat of alcohol and then light me on fire.
Ug. No on Brandon Rush. No no no.
Hey! What're you kicking me for? You want me to ask? All right, I'll ask! Ma'am, where do the high school girls hang out in this town?
by wallywagon11 on Jun 30, 2010 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
The Kings can sign any number of D-League / Role playing Shooting Guards/Point Guards to back up Beno and Tyreke. Those are two positions you don’t really need to be very deep at.
Hope
by Ultrakingsfan on Jul 1, 2010 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions
They can also sign any number of D-League/Role playing Shooting Guards who would produce just as much as Brandon Rush
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 1, 2010 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions
i hate rush because he took bayless away from us
when bayless was sitting there at 11 i got so excited cause i knew the pacers wouldn’t take him. Then they traded with the blazers and took rush. I was crushed, even though we got JT. We need a guard more than a F/C anyway right now with the other five bigs we got.
Jason Thompson and a future second round pick for Marcus Thorton and Darius Songaila
more minutes for Landry and Hassan Whiteside. Oh and Brockness Monster
Fuck the Lakers...Oh sorry the Fakers
you know, Songolia started in Sac (well after Europe but we had his draft rights)
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 1, 2010 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Which we got from Boston for 2nd round picks.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Thread reke'd
This shit is absolutely absurd. More schools need to switch to year around school. Keep the kids busy.
Then the X-Files being, looking like some kind of blue-green Jackie Chan with Isabella Rossellini lips and breath that reeked of vanilla Chig Champa,
did a slow-mo Matrix descent out of the butt end of the banana vessel and hovered above my bug-eyes, my gaping jaw, and my sweaty L. Ron Hubbard upper lip and all I could think was: "I hope Uncle Martin here doesn't notice that I pissed my f***in' pants."
by kangsfan on Jul 1, 2010 1:10 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
With you.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Totally asinine?
DMC for Steph Curry.
I dont know who is winning this trade since DMC hasn’t even played a game yet. It would be nice to see Reke and Steph in the backcourt, and since we still have Dally, Landry, Thompson, and Whiteside in the front court, it could be interesting.
Unlikely that either team does it though,
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
i'm against this trade
cause i think it’s imperative for teh Kings to keep their size adv in the back court
Let us usher in the era of Reke DMC!
by Shizzo on Jul 1, 2010 3:09 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't disagree
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
An even better idea
offer the trade. If the Dubs bite just switch DMC for Whiteside at the last second. They’ll never know the difference!
#vfettkefordraft
that will never work
Whiteside plays defense
by gregsactly on Jul 2, 2010 5:05 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Curry shoots a higher TS%
I say do it
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 1, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
The Warriors would be fools to do this.
Great idea for the Kings, though.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
love steph
and I think he would be the perfect backcourt mate for Reke, but I can’t do it. DMC could be a top 5 center for the next 12-15 years.
I say we just wait 3 years and sign him as a free agent.
Ronnie Brewer's an UFA now
I think we could pick him up for the cheap. Could be a great pairing with Reke defensively at least.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Depends on the number of years and the amount of cash.
More than 3 years and more than $4 million per year. No thank you. And, I’ll bet it would cost more than that to get him here. So, no thanks.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 1, 2010 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I doubt it'd cost that much coming off that injury.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Is this too good to be true?
What was the injury? Why didn’t he get the offer? Just wondering…
by getPGwithbounce on Jul 1, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait, I found this....
Making Sense of Brewer Decision
In short, it’s about keeping Gay, but avoiding luxury tax? And the risk is that nobody would want him for more than $3.8 mil? What would the Kings offer?
by getPGwithbounce on Jul 1, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Still can't believe Memphis let him go
They traded a 2011 pick for him, he was an RFA, and they somehow decided he wasn’t worth the cap hold?
I guess that’s why they’re Memphis….
by misterbrister on Jul 1, 2010 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions
people say he is really underrated
And I say those people have him overrated
Why would we want him?
He doesn’t seem particlarly good at anything to me.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 1, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Sign
Shanon brown and J.J. Reddick. Adding shooting and athleticism to our backcourt along with championship experience without getting older.
by Doors Open on Jul 1, 2010 7:56 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
BLOCK. BUSTER.
Since we’re in the asinine trade thread, we might as well go all the way:
We get: Chis Paul, Kevin Durant, Dwight Howard, and at least 3 NBA CHAMPIONSHIPS
We lose: Landry, Udrih, Garcia, and Dalembert
I call this move the “Miami-Heat-Gutter”
Let's trade for past NBA championships
JT – Dalembert – Landry and one other player plus our first round pick from next year to the Rockets for the 1995 NBA Title
Three Way with Toronto - Houston - Sacramento
Toronto Signs and trade Chris Bosh 6 years Max deal.
Toronto gets: 14 million TPE, Hill, Rights to Patter and the two picks from Houston and NY.
Houston deals: Jeffries, Battier, Brooks, Hill, Rights to Patterson, Knicks pick(from McGrady deal) and Houston Pick
Houston gets: Chris Bosh
Sacramento trades: TPE
Sacramento gets: Jeffries, Battier, Brooks
New Kings roster:
C: Dalembert, Cousins, Whiteside
PF: Landry, Thompson, Brockman
SF: Battier, Casspi, Greene
SG: Evans, Garcia, Jeffries
PG: Brooks, Beno
same idea, fewer players...
read rumor that houston offered Scola and Brooks for Bosh in sign-and-trades… Kings get in that deal to acquire brooks and agree to take on Hedo from Toronto.
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jul 1, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes I agree that would be an awesome situation really.
Hedo is VERY versatile. And really I think Brooks is the IDEAL 3rd guard for our roster. Brooks, Beno, Tyreke and Garcia is a really strong backcourt with each have unique strengths and weaknesses to allow us to exploit and create mismatches in our favor and/or match-up with teams strength to minimize their advantages.
Kings trade: TPE+Future 2nd
Kings receive: Hedo+Brooks
Rockets deal: Shane Battier + Brooks + Jared Jeffries + Jordan Hill
Rockets receive: Chris Bosh
Raptors deal: SnT Bosh + Hedo+Jack
Raptors recieve: Shane Battier + Aaron Brooks + Jared Jefferies + Jordan Hill + Future 2nd
Kings new roster:
C: Dalembert, Cousins, Whiteside
PF: Landry, Thompson, Brockman
SF: Hedo, Casspi, Greene
SG: Evans, Garcia, (Landesberg – Rook Min.)
PG: Brooks, Udrih
P.S. (I don’t care if Brooks or Evans plays in the 2 guard spot, I just like the fit of the two of them together in the back court, I just put Evans at the two for more of a ‘traditional’ line-up)
Rockets:
C: Yao, Andersen
PF: Bosh, Patterson, Hayes
SF: Ariza, Budinger
SG: Martin, Taylor
PG: Jack, Lowry, (Ridnour – MLE)
Raptors:
C: Andrea Bargnani, Jordan Hill, Solomon Alabi
PF: Amir Johnson, Ed Davis Reggie Evans
SF: Shane Battier, Jared Jeffries
SG: DeMar DeRozan, Sonny Weems, Marco Belinelli
PG: Jose Calderon, Marcus Banks
Good for all? Kings get two starters, use their cap space effectively.
Rockets land Bosh
Raptors get some nice assets in a SnT for Bosh and reel in their future cap liabilities.
All rosters look fairly balanced
and then override the other team saying no thank-you
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Landry and Cisco for Sheed and Bradley?
According to Woj the C’s are dangling Sheed’s contract in trade talks
#vfettkefordraft
Im pretty sure Rasheed is retiring
by The Guy on the Couch on Jul 1, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
yep
still hasn’t signed the papers yet.
Cousins>Landry>>Dally>>>Whitesides>JT>>>>> Brock
I like this
Doubt the celtics do it. Garcia is such a negative. He would kill any chance for a FA big man, and they would give up a solid rook in Bradley. Landry could push it over the edge, but Cisco is such a negative value right now, I doubt it.
Cousins>Landry>>Dally>>>Whitesides>JT>>>>> Brock
The TimberLOLs
just re-signed Darko to 4 years, 20 million.
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by Aykis16 on Jul 1, 2010 9:34 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
What?!!! I thought he was 'determined to return to Europe' ????
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 1, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
That means Jefferson is on the move
the re-signed Darko, brought that big man over from Europe. I wonder where Big Al is going to end up. Houston?
Who'll take that contract with his questionable knee?
not sure.
Maybe one of the teams that have cleared cap room that don’t sign one of the big FA. I’d guess Detroit(?)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 1, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure that works cap wise unless Detroit gives something back.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 1, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
How did we miss out on Drew Gooden
And at such a reasonable price (5 year, 32 million). But seriously, what a shitty morning for bucks fans.
Cousins>Landry>>Dally>>>Whitesides>JT>>>>> Brock
Darko (4y 20 mil) > Gooden (5y 32mil)
But factor in the last 2 drafts, and I see your point. Why would anyone be a fan of either?
Cousins>Landry>>Dally>>>Whitesides>JT>>>>> Brock
Easy
The Bucks are at least trying to build on something. Gooden’s overpriced, but he’s not terrible. They’re paying a lot for Gooden, Maggette, and Salmons, but its to add to their playoff roster. A roster that shook the Hawks without Andrew Bogut. I don’t think they’re a contender just yet, unless Bogut and/or Jennings become superstars
#vfettkefordraft
They have a pretty good roster though
Bogut is a very good center, Jennings is very talented, Gooden can rebound well and score decently, and will fit in much better at PF than at C. Maggette is a proven scorer and very physical, Salmons is a pretty versatile player, Delfino is very physcial and a good three point shooter, CDR can score off the bench, and both Ilyasova and Luc are very physical big men. Plus, they still have Redd’s 18mill expiring contract to dangle to fill in holes. I dont think it takes a lot of imagination to see that they have put together a well rounded, tall, physical team.
Is there a Star in that bunch that gets you over the top?
A playoff team I’d think (in the East) but no danger of winning it all.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 1, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Jennings needs to make a big leap
Honestly, Maggette and Gooden don’t make too much sense to me based on this type of thinking. Had they just re-signed Salmons then had Redd coming off the books they’d probably have some cap room to go after a free agent. They’re already a playoff team, plus Milwaukee’s a pretty underrated city. That might have appealed to a guy like Melo.
#vfettkefordraft
chemisty
will be an issue. I don’t think Maggette and Salmons would work well together, especially if Jennings is going to have the ball most of the time.
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
They're both the 3rd big on any decent team
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 1, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
wow
well the bucks are ganna get worse defensivly in two previous stincts at dallas and clippers those teams got worse defensivly so good luck bucks…
Landry for harden, lee, harris.
any of those
I know i don't know it all... its just what my parents call me
by Mr. Know it all on Jul 1, 2010 10:09 AM PDT reply actions
And no, they would not
Why would they want another PF who scores well but doesn’t rebound as much as he should?
#vfettkefordraft
I don't understand the Harden love
I just don’t see his upside.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 1, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
In my head, at least
He seems like a player likely to fulfill his upside, even if you feel his upside is lower than other players you like. Especially around draft time, people seem to get intoxicated with potential and upside, and have all of these big dreams of some 19yo being the next this or the next that, when very few superstars and all-stars actually come around. I am more of a bird in the hand sort of person, and Harden is very skilled and very solid.
That's my point actually.
I think he’s a solid guy and just don’t expect his numbers to get much better. I ust don’t see the athleticism (not much) or speed (same) or shooting as improving very much.
I think he’s a role player.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 1, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Harris would be better than harden and lee
He can shoot, defend and push tempo. probably more likley because of his fairly large contract. free up the nets to get james a sidekick
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by Mr. Know it all on Jul 1, 2010 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
i think if they got lebron
they would sign another big name FA, then they would be the sidekick
I know i don't know it all... its just what my parents call me
by Mr. Know it all on Jul 2, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't Really Know If This Is Asinine...
but I used realgm.com and was able to land us CP3 and Marcus Thornton in exchange for Garcia, Thompson,and Casspi. I’m sure we could also get a future pick. The trade ID# is 5587122 if you’d like to take a look at it yourself. I think having CP3 at the 1 with Evans at the 2 would be great. Also, the depth at the one and two is solidified by having Beno come off the bench and play the one as well as Thornton coming off the bench to play the two. Real Gm says we lose 8.5 rebounds a game with the trade but Im sure with the bigs we have we’ll be fine as far as rebounding goes.
This is about the most asine trade idea of all time.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Yes, you did asinine just right!
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 2, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
What about getting tyreke a bomb sidekick
Trade ID #5588142
look at that
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by Mr. Know it all on Jul 2, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
why is that?
It’s not like we’re getting LeBron. We all know the 1 and 2 spots are lacking depth so Chris Paul and Marcus Thornton change all that. New Orleans is pen to a CP3 trade and i’m pretty sure everyone on this post can agree that if anyone can make this happen, its Geoff Petrie.
I am pretty sure everyone on this post will laugh at you.
You couldn’t even swing that trade in a video game.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
You do realize that Chris Paul has been putting up hall of fame type numbers?
If he stays healthy he will be remembered as one of the greatest point guards to ever play the game. The guy is like a cross between KJ and Isaih Thomas. Why trade that for 2 guys who would be extremely lucky to ever make an all star appearance and one guy with a bloated contract? Oh, plus the Hornets might throw in an extra pick. I am sure they are that desperate to trade away their biggest draw, a guy who is largely considered to be a top 10, heck even top 5, player in the league. Hey while we’re at it, let’s make the same offer for Durant?
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
If we trade for Chris Paul
Say goodbye to Tyreke Evans, because that’s who we’d have to give up. Plus likely a guy like Landry as well, and future draft picks.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
We'd need to keep Landry
because Landry would be his new David West. Hell, they even look alike.
#vfettkefordraft
Wait, what?
You’re reasoning is “it’s not like we’re getting the best player in the game, we’re getting the 5th best player in the game?”
This isn’t even asinine. This is fucking stupid
#vfettkefordraft
Somebody needs to read the directions
Use the ‘reply’ button and hold off on all caps unless there really is something to SHOUT about.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 2, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks
its hard to have a converasation otherwise.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 2, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
all caps really helped the arguement
I would think Paul is definitely better than Anthony and I would personally want him over Durant but either way … let’s just say he is a top 10 talent. Or how about top 20? Top 30? Either way, still horrid.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Okay
So it’s totally asinine. But this is an asinine thread if I’m not mistaken. So I’m pretty sure the smart ass comments aren’t needed. In an asinine idea you give asinine ideas. I did that yet here you are ridiculing me like I’m retarded. “Random asinine ideas” led up to my totally random idea. Pretty sure I posted on the right thread. I’ll correct myself. Forget about Cp3. Let’s grab Derek Fisher or Raymond Felton….
Sorry but not buying that argument.
So it’s totally asinine. But this is an asinine thread if I’m not mistaken. So I’m pretty sure the smart ass comments aren’t needed
In a sense you are right there, but I didn’t actually come across this comment on accident. I looked at it after a comment you made in a separate post.
CP3=TBB I used realgm.com and was able to trade Garcia, Thompson, and Casspi to New Orleans for CP3 and Marcus Thornton. I think Having Cp3 at the 1, Evans at the 2, Greene or Landry at the 3, Landry or Cousins at the 4 and Dalembert at the 5 would be a great starting 5. According to realgm.com we would give up 8.5 rebounds a game but I think our bigs would be able to make up for it nicely. Do you guys like the idea or no and why not?
I literally asked you if the comment was serious and you responded
Yea that’s why I gave the url for others to check into it and give their opinion. Paul is on the trading block and we need a point guard and shooting guard. The trade fulfills both needs.
So yeah then I looked here. You broadcasted elsewhere and you claimed you were serious. Also, I never ridiculed you like you are “retarded.” I shouldn’t have said the “everyone will laugh at you” but you brought up the fact that “everyone on this post will agree that Petrie would make this happen.” Sorry but it was a pretty crazy idea. If I can’t make comments about ideas people come up with, then what’s the point of commenting? If you said it was an asinine trade, then I would have just said “well done” and been on with it.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
when I say "a separate post" I mean you mentioned it elsewhere outside of the asinie trade thread
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
vfettke needs to add back in my asinine trade notes:
or for some wacky ill-advised nonsense just because the numbers match up in that Trade Machine Thingy.
and
Surgeons General’s Warning: Only abstinance provides full protection!
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 2, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Melo over Chris Paul?!
#vfettkefordraft
by vfettke on Jul 2, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Let me guess
you bought it when you saw the propellor hat on the cover then didn’t read it once you realized there were no pictures inside, didn’t you?
#vfettkefordraft
hedgehog
saw the hedgehog at a restaurant in Portland last weekend… seriously the chick he was with looked like the ASININE photo above. Small world.
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jul 2, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Warriors - Nuggets - Kings
Kings give: Jason Thompson
Kings receive: Ty Lawson and Arron Afflalo
Nuggets give: JR Smith, Chris Andersen, Arron Afflalo and Ty Lawson
Nuggets receive: Andris Biedrins, Charlie Bell, Kelenna Azuibuke, Reggie Williams
Warriors deal: Andris Biedrin, Charlie Bell, Kelenna Azuibuike and Reggie Williams
Warriors receive: Jason Thompson, Chris Andersen, JR Smith
Kings new roster with mimimal contract signing(all minimum deals)
C: Dalembert, Cousins, Whiteside
PF: Landry, Greene, (Brockman)
SF: Garcia, Casspi, (Udoka)
SG: Evans, Afflalo, (Landesberg)
PG: Beno, Lawson, (Randle)
This is the asinine thread
I’m not sure this counts. I think I really like it. Dubs get to nutcases and JT, who they apparently coveted in the draft. Plus they dump Biedrins. Nuggets get rid of two nutcases, although Birdman is a loveable one who doesn’t cause problems. I think Biedrins would do pretty well there too. Azuibuke’s also a nice pickup. Had a great season going till he got injured. And we lose JT and get two guards, one of whom is a really nice young prospect.
Your lineups after are interesting. I hope Donte can develop a Rashard Lewis type of game to play at the 4. I think trading JT means we may have to re-sign Landry, or hope that Whiteside pans out sooner since Petrie sees him playing the 4.
#vfettkefordraft
I don't like the trade for the Nuggets.
They genuinely covet Lawson and Birdman is a fan favorite. Plus they seem to genuinely like Afflalo. They only receive Biedrens who has a horrible contract and is marginally better than Birdman, and none of the other three guards can compare to Lawson. I’d value Azuibuke as equal to Aflalo also. So i don’t see why they’d want to do this trade.
Let us usher in the era of Reke DMC!
Wolves in a salary dump?
Apparently the Wolves want to sign David Lee but after the ridiculous contracts they’ve been handing out only have $7M left on the cap…so its been reported that they need to either move Al J or Ramon Sessions for nothing. Wouldn’t we want Ramon for nothing (i.e. a 2nd round pick)?
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jul 2, 2010 4:33 PM PDT reply actions
Ramon would be an okay pick-up
His deal is rather long, but not too big. He fills in that PG role, but we’re ideally looking for SHOOTERS first which Ramon is not. If we were to get a shooter off the bench at the 2 guard(i.e. Redick, Matthews, Korver, Morrow etc) then it might make sense. But if not, then I don’t know if the salary justifies the fit.
Horrible shooter, can't hit a long 2 let alone a 3pt shot
his a/t ration is worse than Beno’s , and really doesn’t offer anything that we don’t already have.
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The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Yeah another facilitator.
He has decent career numbers (better than anyone else who watched him play at Nevada thought). But he is virtually a bit more of an athletic Beno, who can’t shoot nearly as well. I like the guy from being local, But I will pass.
Bayless
For Landry or JT? Any objections?
Cousins>Landry>>Dally>>>Whitesides>JT>>>>> Brock
JT has proven more because we are a 25> win team every year
Its alot tougher to prove your self on a playoff caliber team with a stacked backcourt. And lets also not forget that BAYLESS IS YOUNGER RIGHT NOW THAN JT WAS HIS ROOKIE YEAR! IMO bayless has much more potential and does a much better job filling team need. Him and Reke would be great together.
Cousins>Landry>>Dally>>>Whitesides>JT>>>>> Brock
The thing is that JT might end up filling an important need here too
After this year it might be him and Cousins starting with Whiteside and Brockman coming off the bench or JT will be our first big off the bench. Considering Whiteside likely has a ways to go and Brockman can’t do much other than rebound and provide energy, I still think JT is pretty important at this point.
But yeah we know very little about Bayless and the fact he is young on a good team suggets we haven’t been able to see how truly good he is. I still don’t think that necessarily means it is the right move at this point. I get where you are going with it though.
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 3, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I totally agree that JT might play a huge role after Dally and Landry walk
Thats why I prefer to trade Landry. I would not wanna pay him longterm with the other young bigs on the roster, but still see him as talented and a huge asset. Landry for Bayless? Very little to lose as Landry could walk after the season anyways, and a huge potential in return.
Cousins>Landry>>Dally>>>Whitesides>JT>>>>> Brock
No team is giving talent in return for Landry or Sammy unless it's a sign & trade deal.
So we would know what the price is before the trade. But, to tell the truth, we’re going to need to sign one or both, depending on how well DMC adjusts to the NBA and how much JT improves.
JT has a long way to go before he’s a better Center than DMC or Sammy. He’s a better rebounder than Landry but Carl is better offensively. And, HW will need time at least until the trade deadline to work himself into the rotation.
If Petrie can come to an agreement on extensions with both Carl & Sammy, I think JT would be expendable. If not then we need to hang onto JT for another year, and try to get Landry to agree to a sing & trade. Others have pointed out that Landry could be valuable to a playoff team which is a valid point. I just don’t believe the odds are good that we would get real value in return if they know that they might not be able to keep him past this season. And, any future draft picks wouldn’t have great value coming from a playoff team.
Like all the fa’s opting out of their contract to get a longer deal before the new CBA kicks in, I believe Landry & Sammy would like to get a longer deal now, and not wait until next summer. They make a little over $16M now, so if Dalembert takes a little less and we give Carl a little more, it would have little impact on our cap space and we’d have 4 or our bigs locked up for the next 3-4yrs.
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Ignore most everything I said about Landry.
I went back and checked and Landry is in the last year of a 3 year contract. Contracts that are less then 4yrs in length, can not be renegotiated or extended. So, we really only have 2 choices, trade him and his $3M contract this season, or let his contract expire and try to resign him. If we can’t resign him or trade him then we end up with nothing in return for KMart.
Dalembert is in the last year of a six year deal, so this doesn’t apply to him.
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Wouldn't a playoff team love to have Landry at the deadline to come off their bench?
They’d probably give up a nice Rook if they had confidence in themselves.
by caseycheesecake on Jul 4, 2010 6:39 AM PDT up reply actions
That's the other side of the arguement
But, who will that team be and what will they have to offer? It’s that unknown that has me worried. If it’s a team has been going deep into the playoffs, then most of their rookies are going to be late draft picks and so will any future picks. What my main concern was that we’d end up with a pick in the 25-30 range in exchange for KMart But, since I realized that there’s not way to resign Carl, until after the season, there’s little we can do about it anyways.
Now SD is a different story. We can extend his contract up to 3 years. And, while I’m not absolutely sure about this, the amount of the 1st year of the extention can be less than the amount of the last year of his original contract. Of course, after seeing all these 4 & 5 yr deals going down, he’ll probably want to try the FA route. Even with the new CBA, he might feel he can still get a better deal that way.
I really hate the idea that we might of traded away KMart and Hawes for 1 year rentals.
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by HighTops on Jul 4, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
For understanding how risky that Kmart trade was, and how little we got in return. I think we are on the same page.
Cousins>Landry>>Dally>>>Whitesides>JT>>>>> Brock
I agree
I think it is going to be very difficult to keep one of those two, let alone both, especially if they both have good-to-great years. This will be Landry’s lone chance at a decent sized contract, and big men like Sammy are always paid a premium. Depending on how the year goes, and especially how JT and Cuz play, I wouldnt mind seeing them as trade chips, especially since we have a large amount of cap space.
Like you said "big men like Sammy are always paid a premium.
because good centers are extremely hard to find. And, even if DMC turns out to be an all star center, we still need a backup. Whiteside is too light, Landry & Brock are too short, and JT can play the position, but hasn’t shown the offensive moves needed or the ability to keep opposing Centers out of the paint or protect the basket against guards who get past our exterior defense. So, I really like to see Dalembert resigned.
Plus, I think Sammy & DMC can play together, Cuz has a good mid range jumper and quick feet so I think he could play some PF. If PW put them in the game together in the final 6 minutes, they would dominate the boards together.
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Some of the potential playoff teams could have VERY intriguing prospects to give!
Depending on where Lebron and Co. go, we could possibly get Favors.
by caseycheesecake on Jul 4, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Anything is possible, but getting the #3 pick for an expiring is highly unlikely
But, I’d never suggest that a man stop dreaming.
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Not quite nothing
Two years of Landry and more than $35 million off the books for a guy who is lucky to play half the games.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Landry played 28 games last year, and hasn't played a full season this year yet.
and $35M off the books for Miller or Noc or some other role player sounds great. But $35M over 3 years for a guy that has a career average of 17ppg on 45% from the field and 38% from 3-pt range is something I could live with. Especially when you look at some of the deals that have gone down already this year.
You do make a good point about his injuries. 158 games played over the last 3 seasons, or looking at it from your point of view, he missed an average of 29 games per season. Not quite half, but then you do tend to exaggerate to make your point.
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Stats aren't everything
The team won about a quarter of its games in that tenure.
And, by the way, NOBODY has “played has played a full season this year yet.”
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Landry played 149 games in the last two seasons
and had better production for $7 million a year less. The guy we traded played in 97 games. You make the call.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
That point isn't in question.
The point is that neither one of them could be playing for the Kings at the end of the 2010/2011 season. So, why is that such a great deal?
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Because we don’t have Martin on the books for big cash past this season.
What we’d have vs. what we do have:
2010/2011: Martin vs. Landry and $8.5 mil in cap space
2011/2012: One of the following:
- Martin vs. $3 mil in cap space plus whatever we got with the $8 mil in cap space from 2010/2011
- Martin vs. $11.5 mil in cap space (the $8.5 mil carried over plus Landry’s salary)
- Martin vs. Landry (resigned at a similar price) plus the price difference between Martin and Landry’s salaries
2012/2013: Martin vs. the same options as above
If we’re saying Landry produces slightly better and stays healthier, either we get to choose to keep Landry for likely less than Martin and get better production, or we get to still get Martin’s salary off the books and use that money to do something else. It appears the worst case is that we get salary cap room in exchange for Martin, which could easily be used to absorb a player from another team that lacks cap room, perhaps a player similar to Martin. The deal netted us:
- A slightly more valuable player for the remainder of 2009/2010
- A slightly more valuable player and an additional $8 mil of salary cap space in 2010/2011
- The options from above in 2011/2012
The first year this could possibly be considered a net loss would be 2011/2012 if Landry leaves as a FA, in which case we’d have an additional $11.5 mil (Martin’s 2011/2012 salary) in cap space that we wouldn’t have had. That would mean Martin’s value at that time would have to be weighed against what we spent the money on.
I’m having a hard time figuring out what could be considered bad about the deal.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jul 4, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I think this sums it up pretty nicely
That would mean Martin’s value at that time would have to be weighed against what we spent the money on.
How the deal is ultimately viewed still has to be played out.
If we had kept Martin we would have been on the hook for just under $38 million for the end of last year and the next three years. The price tag for Landry for the end of last season and this season: a hair over $4 million.
So how the deal is ultimately viewed depends on how well the players do this season and what we do with the extra $34 million. If we are able to sign Landry to a four or five year deal with that money, then we stack his play in that tenure vs. Martin’s in the next two seasons. If we don’t resign Landry, it will depend on what we do with that money.
Maybe that money will pay for Landesburg, Ridnour or other players and several seasons of Landry. Time will tell.
Naturally you also have to factor in the state of the team when Martin was traded, including Martin’s clear dissatisfaction with the way things were going, the inability of Tyreke and Martin to jell and the need at the time for more frontcourt scoring.
Adding Landry, Dalembert, Cousins and Whiteside and subtracting Hawes up front appears on paper to have addressed our frontcourt problems of the past several seasons. We’ll have to see how they all perform, but Landry is clearly our most established scorer up front heading into the current season.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Your the one who said
this
Two years of Landry and more than $35 million off the books
How is one season and 28 games = 2 years?
Or do you consider 28 games = 1 year? And, if that’s the case why is it so important that Martin didn’t play a full season because of injuries?
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I will concede you this point
and note that Landry played 28 of 28 possible games for the Kings last season, and averaged more than 37 minutes a game in the process. Not surprisingly, Martin missed five of the 29 games he was a member of the Rockets.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Perhaps it's too early to make the call on this trade
Landry has been here roughly one-third of one season. We have not seen Landry play an entire season with the team, we have not seen what kind of adjustments will be made to the offense now that Landry and Cousins are around to operate in the low post, we have not seen what (if anything) the Kings will ultimately do with the additional cap space gained when Martin was dealt.
Artest for Bobby Jackson and Donté Greene was a so-so trade. When Omri Casspi was added via the included draft pick, the deal became quite a bit better. The same may ultimately be said of the Martin-Landry deal. In my opinion, it is just too early to make the call.
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Yep
Player to Be Named Later and I drew some of the same conclusions above.
But if Landry is => Martin this season, it becomes a choice of two seasons of Martin, who didn’t want to be here anyway, or $34 million. And I don’t think anyone can make a case that Kevin Martin is worth $17 million a year.
The Artest trade has some similar complications, and either Donte or Casspi has to emerge a pretty decent player for several seasons to call that a clear victory. Right now it’s a promising trade, but that potential has to be realized to call it much more than that.
At the same time, like with Martin, Artest’s time to go had come.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
I like JT
But Bayless is intriguing. He’s show some flashes while battling for playing time. And JT is now our fourth big, so you can work around losing him and also get Whoteside some minutes.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
And, after we trade JT, and SD & Carl sign with another team at the end of the year, then what
We’re back to a total of 3 bigs, Cuz, NW & Brockman. So then we can trade Bayless for another big. I got it, we play musical players every season. Doubt we ever make it to the playoffs, but heck, there will be plenty to write about here every year.
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That's speculative
If they don’t resign, I guess we will have some money to get replacements. Or we can use another draft pick on a big.
Tyreke may not resign with us eventually, so by your logic, we should probably get rid of him as well.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
I guess I should spend all my savings now and not save for retirement
because that’s speculative also. If I don’t live to retirement age, I won’t need to save.
Knowing that 2 players on our frontcourt are UFA’s and as such could sign with another team isn’t speculation. It’s a matter of fact. What your suggesting is just as speculative. Your betting that they won’t leave. Or, that we can get someone just as good for the same money or less.
Well, if it we’re that easy why didn’t we do it sooner? Why there are plenty of valuable bigs just waiting to be gobbled up. I’m surprised Petrie didn’t grab Howard when we dumped Millers contract.
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Dealing Thompson before we know what will happen with our free agent big men is a BAAAAAAD idea.
Let’s see if either/both of Dalembert and/or Landry re-sign before shipping JT out of town.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jul 4, 2010 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
That sounds good, but the reality is you’d like to field a solid team all the way around.
Bayless clearly hasn’t gotten the chance to firmly establish himself, but he has generally played well when given good minutes. You’d be taking a chance that he is the real deal and be giving up a solid young big in the process. But if Bayless turns out good, that gives you some options to deal Beno or Cisco and you can start to have a team you want instead of a team you are stuck with.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Are you suggesting we CAN'T wait until after this season to decide what to do with JT?
Why not just sign a guard short-term and see what we’ve got? If JT for Bayless was the last piece in the “make it to the playoffs puzzle” perhaps I’d be on board, but we’re building a roster, and with Landry and Dalembert both free agents after this season, dealing Thompson could easily end up just creating a hole somewhere else. Also, Bayless is a slasher just like Tyreke…not really the best fit to play with him.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jul 5, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Bayless can shoot outside
But, no, there’s no rush to deal JT, even though we will probably kill his value going forward by trimming his playing time this season.
That said, I’m not as worried about signing Landry and Dalembert as some here. They are Kings and won’t get much respect/interest from other teams.
We do need another guard or two, though, and it would be nice to have a real shooting guard instead of two guys playing out of position. And we could also use a real point guard. Petrie is on top of it.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
This season is for figuring out who stays and who doesn't
I bet we keep two of Landry, Dalembert, and Thompson to play with Cousins and Whiteside. Either Landry or Dalembert is allowed to leave as a FA or is traded mid-season, or Thompson is traded after we re-sign both of the FAs. I definitely agree we need another guard or two, but we don’t have to have “the future” at SG this season; we can fill the holes as best we can and continue building on the same path we’re currently on. Guys like Landesberg, Christmas, etc. can easily fill the holes for the time being. Garcia can play SG, Beno is a perfectly fine backup PG, etc. I bet we bring in one middle-tier free agent such as Luke Ridnour or Roger Mason to help bridge the gap, but we don’t HAVE to “solve” our guard problems this year. Trading Thompson for Bayless would be a forced move, IMO, and we have the luxury of patience.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jul 5, 2010 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess it depends on how much upside Bayless has
Whether he could be the answer is anybody’s guess, but he has a lot of potential and he’s gained some experience and he’s still young. Plugging the dike with Beno and Garcia and another player is fine, but it won’t ultimately lead us anywhere.
We’re taking that leap of faith at the 3, so why not at the 2?
As for Whiteside, he still has to prove he can play int he NBA and isn’t going to be another Hilton Armstrong.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Kings - Hornets - Bulls
Bulls trade: Luol Deng and 3 million cash
Bulls receive: James Posey + protected 2nd round pick
Kings deal: TPE + protected 2nd round pick
Kings receive: Peja Stojakovic, Darren Collison and 6 million cash(3 million from Bulls, 3 million from Hornets
Hornets deal: Peja Stojakovic, James Posey, Darren Collison and 3 million cash
Hornets receive: Luol Deng
Why for the Bulls – They move Dengs contract and get further under the cap
Why for the Kings – They add a vet SF that can shoot and pick up a dynamic young guard for free. 6 million of Peja’s 13.5 million is paid for by the Bulls and Hornets, making the salary hit for the Maloofs be just 7.5 million for Peja while picking up Collison
Why for the Hornets – They shed a bunch of money now while getting Chris Paul some help in New Orleans.
New Kings roster:
C: Dalembert, Cousins, Whiteside
PF: Landry, Thompson, Brockman
SF: Greene, Casspi, Peja
SG: Evans, Garcia, (Landesberg?)
PG: Beno, Collison
Bulls get the remainder TPE difference between posey and Deng...
something like 5-6 million. Enough to get two max free agents.
Let's get REAL asinine
The Knicks are targeting Tony Parker. Let’s say the Spurs are ready to just blow it up and get what they can, while they can.
Let’s say they move Parker to NY for Curry, Chandler and Douglas clearing the path for Hill.
Now they’ll be looking to dump off both Duncan and Ginobili for pieces to rebuild with. Let’s say Duncan goes to the MAvs for Dustchip, Beaubois, Butles and a couple of future first round pick along with McDyess heading out.
The Spurs have just basically said, we’re getting what we can, we’re rebuilding, we’re heading to the lotto and now we have cap space and expirings to work with.
Would it be prudent to target Manu with our cap space. Maybe throw the Spurs a pick and a prospect and use Manu’s last couple years to make the Kings relevant again? He’d be a great fit next to Tyreke at the SG position. With Parker, Duncan and Ginobili off the books the Spurs would stink for a few years, but they’d have stripped down the team to begin the proper rebuild in just 1 year(where it took the Kings, Blazers and Jazz at least 2-3 years to strip down the team of it’s ugly contracts.
I doubt the Spurs go that route, but it should be consider IMO.
No way the Spurs trade Duncan if he doesn't ask for it.
That would be like the Bulls trading Jordan.
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Someone was kicking around a three-way
between Knicks, Kings and Spurs and I think the players mentioned were Parker, Landry and Wilson Chandler. It may have been someone else from the Knicks, though.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Kings - Detroit
Kings deal: Samuel Dalembert and Jason Thompson
Pistons deal: Rip Hamilton, Chris Wilcox and Rights to Greg Monroe
Why for the Pistons – They solidify their frontcourt this year. Move the logjam and heavy investments at the 2 guard spot while gaining an expiring contract and add a proven young PF in Jason Thompson to their roster.
Why for the Kings – They add a good fit SG who is a solid ball-handler/passer that can play off the ball really well. Wilcox gives us a veteran big man to replace Dalembert and Monroe is the main target. Adding Monroe gives the Kings the perfect complementary frontcourt for the next 5 years. Cousins, Landry, Monroe and Whiteside with a dash of Brockness Monster.
Kings new roster:
C: Cousins, Whiteside, Wilcox
PF: Monroe, Landry, Brockman
SF: Greene, Casspi
SG: Hamilton, Garcia, (Landesberg)
PG: Evans, Udrih, (Randle)
Interesting but no
first Whiteside weights 225lbs. and all we’ve heard over the last 2 years was that Hawes wasn’t strong enough to defend against big centers. Whiteside is targeted at a PF, off the ball shot blocker like Josh Smith.
Cousins hasn’t played a game yet and his stamina and ability to stay out of foul trouble hasn’t been proven yet. So, I’d rather have SD as our starter than Wilcox. And as a PF Monroe is better than JT. Detroit would do this if Monroe weren’t included, And, if Detroit did this it wouldn’t be because SD was an expiring contract. It would be because they need a starting center.
Hamiton turns 33 this season and is owed $34M over the next 3 yrs. He’s still a talented player but I think I’d like a younger guy with fresher legs who’s going to go all out on the defensive end for a lot less money. He just costs too much, and the lose of Sammy would create too much instability in our new young frontcourt to be worth the gamble. Now, isn’t the time.
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Personally,
After this year, I wouldn’t mind if I didn’t see another rookie for a long time.
by caseycheesecake on Jul 3, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I am in ABSOLUTE AND INDEFATIGABLE AGREEMENT!!!!
There is WAY TOO MUCH B’BALL WONKISHNESS on this site. Look people, I am a slightly more than casual KINGS fan in his Fitties who likes to read informed, pithy commentary about the state of our CLUB, the State of the NBA, and even ancillary but not completely unrelated topics. Posts and Shots that stray from the specific thread topic about the KINGS issue at hand – if infused with a modicum of intelligence, humor and, dare I say – cheeckiness – is not only appreciated but demanded by this cinquigenarian ( and if it ain’t a word it should be).
So let’s please ease up on the money-ball hyperanalysis as my own particular and somewhat proven method of assessing any prospect is to trust my senses: seeing, hearing, smelling, and (depending on the nature of the prospect, i.e., my own personal and intimate involvement with same) tasting. And of course, I always trust my solar plexus, the stomach brain. Here’s to our and tantalizingly entertaining Kings team.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 6, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Kings-Bulls
Kings send:Francisco Garcia and Beno Udrih (maybe future 2nd round pick?)
Bulls send:Luol Deng and Flip Murray(maybe cash considerations?)
Flip Murray off the bench would be a spark to our second unit.
Deng would compliment Evans nicely as he averaged 17 points and almost 8 rebs a game last year in chicago.
no
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Beno is too valuable right now to our team.
And the guys you want to bring suck and their contracts are large. Don’t forget that.
by caseycheesecake on Jul 4, 2010 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Luol Deng sucks?
I think he’s good. I think his decline in play is widely due to the arrival of Derrick Rose and that if he was sent to someone like us, he’d do really well. I agree Beno is too valuable. Especially for a Flip Murray exchange.
You're wrong
He sucks. And he REALLY sucks when you compare his contract and roster fit for this Kings team. PASS a million times over.
Deng doesn't suck
From a productivity standpoint, he’s right there with guys like Rudy Gay and Tayshaun Prince.
I do agree that I would not want to take on his salary. But more importantly, why would the Bulls want ot basically swap salary to jettison a top 10-15 SF for a pair of “meh” players?
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17-7 does not suck, no. But the contract brings it down to suck level.
by caseycheesecake on Jul 4, 2010 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Sucking is relative
Deng sucks at the price he’s paid. I was a bit exaggerative, but being paid at what he’s paid at, makes him a terrible idea for the Kings, ESPECIALLY when you factor in his skill-set. If we had Mo Williams and Ray Allen in the backcourt then Luol Deng becomes a better idea at the 3. But Beno/Tyreke/Garcia in the backcourt and Deng is an awful idea at the three. He’s has a competitive skill-set to our backcourt, not a complementary one.
I'd take Deng for Garcia
That’s about it though
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by CaliforniaJag on Jul 5, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't
Garcia is cheaper, his skill-set fits better and plays a position of need more. Deng’s really not all that much better on a per36 adjustment either. When Garcia gets minutes he produces. Add in the fact that he’s a true leader amongst a team full of youngin’s I think Garcia value is higher than Deng’s not only to the Kings but to the majority of teams around the association.
Rudy Gay is already signed, but why?
SO Memphis gave him the max deal. What I dont get is why they were so aggresive, instead of waiting for someone else to make contract and taking him there.
Either:
(1)Gay would sign for less money (no more than the max)
OR
(2)He signs for the max (highly unlikely, but same price he is going to be paid already). OR
(3) Doesn’t sign with anyone else, and Grizz/Gay realize his price is lower than max, and he takes less money
This would be a zero risk, high probability of reward deal for the Grizz. I think they screwed the pooch on this one. Am I the only one that sees this?
Cousins>Landry>>Dally>>>Whitesides>JT>>>>> Brock
It does seem like they could afford to wait,but
we really don’t know the terms of the contract. There were rumors that NJ was going after Gay and either Wade or Amare. So, it is possible that Gays contract isn’t the max, but that he might have gotten a offer sheet from some team that would offer him the max. So, it might turn out that Memphis had decided to match any offer, and just got proactive so they didn’t have to pay the max.
Otherwise, the cap holds put them out of the FA market anyways, except for the MLE. So, I don’t see any other reason to do this, except to show their star that they care enough to offer the very best.
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To show respect for Gay was the only conlcusion I came too.
But is that really worth the money spent. Bad fiscal move.
Cousins>Landry>>Dally>>>Whitesides>JT>>>>> Brock
Kings-Knicks
Carl Landry and Jason Thompson for Danilo Gallinari and Eddie House. Now that’s asinine.
Leaves us with 0 PF's and 3 SF's under the age of 22.
No thanks.
Cousins>Landry>>Dally>>>Whitesides>JT>>>>> Brock
You're right
It IS asinine.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jul 5, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Kings-Wizards
Nick Young, Andray Blatche, and Al Thornton in exchange for Donte Greene and Francisco Garcia.
Why do the Wizard deal a promising big like Blatche
for an overpaid player and a still unknown? Asinine is one thing, but could you please look at these trades from the other side before posting them?
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we dont need Blatche, lets get asinine.
throw in Thompson, and we get arenas. uhhhh, my pants are gettin tight
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by Mr. Know it all on Jul 5, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe a Pick?
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by Mr. Know it all on Jul 5, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Kings-76ers
Andre Iguodala and Rodney Carney for Francisco Garcia and Beno Udrih. Andre can play multiple positions. The 76ers seem to not care for him as they have Holiday,Louis Williams,Evan Turner etc.
I do not believe that Carney is currently under contract with the 76ers
Beyond that, explain to me why Philly takes on our two most overpriced players and trades their best player.
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The 76ers will totally do this.
Great idea. I bet they love to give up good players for bad contracts. Great idea!
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Hell to the No
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Deal with the Hornets
Donte Greene for Marcus Thornton and Julian Wright. Who says no?
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Hornets wouldn't want to take on Garcia's contract
Don’t see that happening. Garcia likely has negative trade value due to his average production and long, expensive contract, meaning a package of Garcia and Greene would probably have roughly zero overall value. Songaila has more value to them as a $4.8 mil expiring contract than having to take on Francisco Garcia and getting Greene for Thornton.
My deal saves the Hornets money this year and gives them a player with a lot of potential in exchange for Thornton, who would be a great fit next to Tyreke and/or off the bench, and Wright, who wants out of New Orleans and is just as young as Greene.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jul 4, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
New Orleans would say no
Why would they say yes? Thornton > Greene to this point, and Wright is in what is likely to be the last year of his deal.
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Adding -
Thornton averaged 14.5 ppg as a rookie, and better than 20 ppg after the all star break. The Hornets are not going to give him away to save a couple million dollars, especially when they have expiring contract to deal (about $28 million when you total Peja, Songaila, Peterson and Wright). My bet is that a team would take Wright and cash for a potential swap of picks at some point, and New Orleans holds onto Thornton.
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Greene isn't exactly nothing
He’s got more potential than Thornton does, that’s for sure. They’d be getting a savings of approximately $2 mil in addition to getting rid of Wright. Was just an idea…it depends on how they see Thornton vs. Greene and how badly they want Wright to go away.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jul 4, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Wright goes away after this year
And the Hornets loooooooove Marcus Thornton. Be objective here. In two years, Greene has scored at least 20 points 7 times. In one year, Thornton scored at least 20 points 21 times. There is potential and there is reality, and the current reality is that Thornton is the better player. Greene will have to become the player that he has not been in his first two years to overtake Thornton.
I love Donté, but Thornton is the better proven commodity as of today.
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by section214 on Jul 4, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree that Thornton is the better player at this moment,
but I do think that Donte Greene is a lot further from what he can be than Thornton is. I don’ think Thornton will get a whole lot better, and he’s a pretty one-dimensional player honestly. I don’t see it happening, but honestly there’s not much out there in terms of SG that fit the bill for what we want and also fit our team’s budget. Daniel Gibson would fit great next to Tyreke if he wasn’t making an assload of cash. I just wanted to float the idea. I wish Kelenna Azubuike wasn’t hurt; he’d be a perfect fit IMO.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jul 4, 2010 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Thornton done growing at age 23, with one year of NBA experience under his belt?
Respectfully disagree.
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He's not DONE growing
I think he’s CLOSER to what he’ll end up being than Greene is. It’s another way of saying Greene has more upside.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jul 5, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
So we should trade Tyreke for Javale McGee, since McGee has more upside?
Look, I’m not knocking Greene. I’m just dealing in the hard reality of who the better player is today, and that is Thornton by any objective measure.
It humors me that we rail at Dubs fans that speak of the upside of Randolph and Wright, yet we are quick to go down the same path with our own players.
Bottom line, if the Kings traded Greene for Thornton today, the general consensus would be that we got away with murder. Can Donté become a better player than Thornton? Sure. Is he today? No. Will he? Remains to be seen.
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Unless I'm mistaken...
As far as I knew the Hornets were still trying to cut salary. The thought process:
Hornets give the Kings Wright for nothing. Kings say no because Wright has been crap and makes $2.86 mil this year. I didn’t consider Wright to be a piece worth much; he wants out of New Orleans, he makes a decent amount of cash, and he’s declined for each of his three years in the NBA. Use Songaila if you want; the point was for this piece to be a salary dump.
Since the Kings wouldn’t just take Wright (or Songaila), the Hornets would have to give the Kings a slight upgrade. That upgrade would be Thornton over Greene.
I guess the points of confusion in my original post were:
1. Assuming others would agree with my assessment of Wright as a player with slightly negative value due to a $2.86 mil salary but little value on the court
2. Saying Donte Greene has higher upside than Thornton when it didn’t really affect the trade offer. That part is my error.
Does that clear it up? If I’m mistaken and the Hornets are not looking to clear salary, I agree this trade probably makes no sense for them. I was under the impression they wanted to save money even after the Mo Pete deal.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jul 5, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
The Hornets are likely looking to clear salary
Wright’s contract is a pimple and for the Hornets to deal Thornton to facilitate the moving of Wright’s contract would be ludicrous, in my opinion.
Include Thornton to move Posey? I might believe that. But not to move Wright’s miniscule deal.
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Okay, Songaila then
It’s also not Thornton by himself in exchange for Wright’s contract, it’s Thornton over Greene in exchange for Wright’s contract. I felt that was a fair swap. Use Songaila instead of Wright if that makes more sense. In my opinion you are overestimating the difference between Thornton and Greene. I agree that Thornton is a better player at this moment, but it’s not by a huge amount.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jul 5, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Section, Section, Section...did you not pay attention to draft experts this year?
It is well know that old rookies are just not as good as the guys that have so much upside and are YOUNG, that must hold true with second year players too…sheesh 23 is way to old to expect improvement.
BTW that was sacasm..
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I don't believe you can base Donte's worth solely on his 20pt games.
Maybe if we were to add a defensive 2 and he became the 2nd or 3rd option behind Evans and possible DMC. But, I don’t think PW has seen that in him yet, so he wasn’t allowed the opportunities that Thornton had. And so, we ran iso’s with Evans, Landry & Beno. Not bad but not the most potent offense either.
He was our best 3pt shooter last year and probably the best defender in the front court. But, if he were to improves his abitlity to drive to the rim, he could end up being that third 20pt per game option.
Thornton did have a very good year but he was asked to due more than Donte. Just look at the players behind Thornton. ( Peja, Songaila, Mo Pete, Posey, White & Gray ) There was no one else and so they had to give him the shots, and if he was on a better team, he might not have gotten the opportunities that he did. Maybe if Donte & Thornton were to switch teams, it would have been Donte with 21 20-pt games. Thornton took 883 FGA’s including 313 threes and Donte took 553 and 183 threes. Thornton shot .451 from the field and .374 from beyond the arc, while Donte shoot .441 from the field and .377 from 3-pt range. Other than the number of attempts, they are pretty close in shooting percentage.
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PER
Greene = 11.67 last year, good for 43rd amongst small forwards, in between Julian Wright and Deavean George.
Thornton = 17.50, 9th amongst shooting guards, in between Iguodala and Vince Carter.
Greene’s signature year was 8.5 pts. and 3.1 boards per game.
Now, I love me some Donté, and I think that he could become a very nice player. But to attempt his current level of play to Thornton smacks of homerism.
I would deal Greene for Thornton right now, and I would drive Donté to New Orleans and pick Thornton up. Maybe that changes by the end of this year. But today, Thornton > Greene, and it really isn’t close.
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by section214 on Jul 5, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Adding -
Thornton’s season was strong enough to place him as 2nd team all rookie, as he finished 6th in the rookie team balloting. In doing this, he accomplished something that Hawes, JT, Casspi and Greene were unable to do – land on the all rookie team. Give the kid his due.
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No
Marcus Thornton doesn’t have his own show on Kingsflix does he?
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Isn't PERs based on stats like PPG?
In fact, Pers puts a high value on FG’s & FGA’s, so your really only pointing out something that I already stated. Thornton played a more important part of the Hornets offense than Donte did for the Kings. He actually took over 50% more shots than Donte and hit about 1% more of them. Does that mean that Thornton will have a greater career? I don’t think so, it only means that he had more value to his team right now.
James Harden had a Pers of 14.07 and Jeff Green had a Pers of 13.81 so does that mean that Thornton is better then the both of them? Or, does it mean that they didn’t have as big of an impact in OKC’s offense as Durant?
Sometimes it’s just where a players ends up, rather than how skilled the player is.
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Fine
If you want to believe that Greene is a better player today than Thornton, power to you. I’ll take Thornton until Greene can prove himself to be an effective everyday NBA player – something that Thornton has already done.
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Now, I never said that
All I said was that Thornton had a better opportunity to prove himself with the Hornets. And, if you judge his value compared to Donte’s purely on his scoring, then you may be wrong.
I personally, like what Donte does now, and I think he has a higher potential because of his height, length and athletic ability. 6-4 SG’s who put up 14ppg on a bad team, aren’t really that hard to come by.
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That's better than 14 points per game
while averaging only 26 minutes a night as a rookie. If this guy were our 2 guard, we’d be creaming all over ourselves.
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He wouldn't be averaging 14 PPG on the Kings.
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Yeah,
We’re rife with players that had a 55% TS percentage as a perimeter shooting rookie. No room for a guy like that on a team coming off of a 25-57 year.
My points here have been basic and simple:
Statistically, Thornton is a better overall player than Greene right now, using whatever statistical data you prefer. Donté has some potential (as does Thornton – he’s just 23 and coming off his rookie year), and he is probably funnier than Thornton. I hope that Greene becomes a better player than Thornton. Today, he is not.
Thornton is highly regarded in New Orleans. They are not going to give him up to off a couple of million dollars in salary. He’s likely their starting 2 guard at this point – he’s not going to be extracted for some spare change and upside.
And with that, I’m out. For my sanity, I think that I need to swear off participating in the Asinine trade threads.
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Never said Thornton wasn't better than Greene.
Did I say that? No. I just said he wouldn’t avg 14 PPG on the Kings. All I said.
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Sounds like we've frustrated 214 enough for today
I never mentioned the Hornets moving Thornton, so I guess he’s still fighting previous posts also. I’m willing to give him the Thornton>Donte for now.
But, Cisco is the only contract that I’d be willing to give up for Thornton after just one season.
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I'm not enamored of Thornton.
And there is no way the Hornets would ever take Cisco back. He just doesn’t help them enough. He’s also overpaid on his current contract.
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Disagree on that last line
Garcia will be healthy this year, he’s going to get significant minutes(25-35 range pretty consistently) this year and he’s going to be on a sub-MLE contract. I’ll bet Cisco averages something like: 13-14 ppg, 1.5 3pg, 3-4 rpg, 3-4 apg, 1.5 spg, .9 bpg. Plus he’ll bring the energy and intangibles every night, those things that don’t show up in the box score That’s about right for a guy on a sub-MLE contract.
Saying he’s overpaid? That’s a stretch…he’s not a bargain, but I don’t think he’s overpaid at this point. I think he’s paid what his production dictates. His deal is just over 3 more years which never looks good to outsiders in a trade.
If Garcia even touches the 35 minute range my head will explode
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Mine as well.
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But I mean over the season
And that means there has been a ton of injuries to Beno/Reke all year. NOOOOOO!
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It'll just mean
He’s the third guard and also playing minutes at the 3.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
He won't average that....
..that’ll be his high end, on those nights where he’s feeling it. I’d bet his average is somewhere around 28 minutes a night. The range was to show that he’ll like get somewhere around those type of minutes rather consistently each night, barring some trade between now and the start of the season.
Donté is way overvalued at this site
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Yea man wrong Green..
Gerald will get us the chip.
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Totally. We need someone like that to psych up the team at times.
I’ve read someplace that he “has alot of potential and still young…”
by basketball galactica on Jul 7, 2010 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Contingency plan for Rockets if Bosh goes elsewhere....
Rockets deal: Jefferies, Hill, Brooks
Rockets receive: Al Jefferson
Wolves deal: Jefferson, Sessions
Wolves receive: Hill, 2011 2nd rounder from Sacto.
Kings deal: TPE, 2011 2nd rounder
Kings receive: Jared Jefferies, Aaron Brooks
Why for the Rockets – They get a starting caliber PF than can operate in the post(Yao’s actually more comfortable as a face up shooter). Rockets use their full MLE to sign Raymond Felton and solidify their playoff roster.
Why for the Wolves – They get a couple pieces to fill in, but ultimately move the bulk of Jefferson’s contract off the books immediately allowing them to pursue Lee or any other FA that tickle’s Kahn’s fancy.
Why for the Kings – We take on deadweight in the form of Jefferies(but he could be a defensive specialist for one year) but get Brooks at the expense of a 2nd round pick.
New roster:
C: Dalembert, Cousins, Whiteside
PF: Landry, Thompson, Brockman
SF: Greene, Casspi, Jefferies
SG: Evans, Garcia
PG: Brooks, Beno
Rockets:
C: Yao, Hayes, Johnson
PF: Jefferson, Patterson, Harris
SF: Ariza, Battier
SG: Martin, Budinger
PG: (Felton), Lowry
Wolves:
C: Darko, Pekovic, Hollins
PF: (Lee), Love, Hill
SF: Johnson, Brewer, Hayward
SG: Webster, Ellington
PG: Flynn, Sessions
Somewhat tempting, and somewhat realistic.
I don’t know what the Rockets think of Jefferson, but if they like him, this looks like it could actually appeal to all three teams.
You’re coming up with good stuff, Smills.
Looks like Wolfs deal Sessions to no one and then he ends up back on Minny?
Also, I’m not sure that the MLE is enough to sign Felton. Blake & Duhon both got $4M, and Felton is a lot younger and probably the best of the FA guards.
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by Noble_Bloodlines on Jul 5, 2010 4:57 PM PDT reply actions
Not sure Denver is willing to give up their star for 3 expiring and a rookie
Unless they don’t believe that they can resign him, or they’re ready to start the rebuild. Then the $20M in cap space might look good.
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They've already offered him a 3 year, $65 million extension,
and they’ve told him the offer is good until 7/1/11. They sound pretty emphatic that they won’t trade him unless he demands it, and I have my doubts that he would demand a trade to Sacramento.
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by Mr. Know it all on Jul 5, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
nevermind fuck this
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by Mr. Know it all on Jul 5, 2010 10:59 PM PDT reply actions
sums up my thoughts
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 5, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
this website is still hella complicated
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by Mr. Know it all on Jul 5, 2010 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah hella complicated.
So hella hella complicated that you can’t figure out to conjugate hella properly. Hella hella hard yo!
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by pookeyguru on Jul 5, 2010 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Grammer Nazi
Would you rather me say fucking?
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by Mr. Know it all on Jul 6, 2010 3:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather you use appropriate grammar and sentence structure so I can only make fun of your lack of NBA knowledge.
How many fucking times you say fucking has no fucking bearing on my fucking opinion of you fucking know it all. Fucking okay?
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by pookeyguru on Jul 6, 2010 3:36 AM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Hella reke'd
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 6, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Whoa its getting all Grant Napier up in here.
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I like how the only options are hella and the F word.
Nothing inbetween.
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 6, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually,
It’s spelled grammar.
And yes, yes I am.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 6, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Umm... aren't you originally from California?
If so then you’d understand that “hella” is, in fact, a word
#vfettkefordraft
by vfettke on Jul 6, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Uh yeah.
I’m originally from Sac.
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I wasn't asking about your social life
just whether or not you were up to date with California lingo
#vfettkefordraft
I need to take a nap.
Your stunning intellectual rigor is making me yawn.
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Thats how kids talk.
my bad.
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by Mr. Know it all on Jul 6, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Why can't we
Just not trade Landry or JT or anybody. Let this team play, when it comes to mid-season, if we are contending we trade and get an impact player, if not, we keep our future players and try and trade off other players that have no role on our future team.
My favorite part is the posts at 11:30pm and 4:30am. Does this guy sleep?
Cousins>Landry>>Dally>>>Whitesides>JT>>>>> Brock
He's 12 years old.
Seriously, not trying to be sarcastic or anything. It at least explains the comments and the weird hours a little better.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 6, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I also asked him how old he was and he said 12
I was getting frustrated with him too but after finding out his age I can’t exactly rage on a 12 year old. Granted I will tell him when he is wrong and I hope he takes note of how others post but then again he is 12 so I personally am going to cut him a little slack.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 6, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
You sure he wasn't pulling your chain?
by caseycheesecake on Jul 6, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Why would anyone want other people to think they are 12?
Sure he wouldn’t get as much grief but we would be treating him like a foolosih little kid. What adult would be okay with that?
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 6, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Trolls
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Hey if this guy was just bashing Kings players I would then be suspect
but a lot of his comments are things I can see my little cousins doing.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 6, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
A 12 year old posting a picture of Ron Jeremy?
You’re being trolled bro.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
lol
it’s sad but technically that wouldn’t surprise me if that were the case.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Just because it's possible he's not physically 12 Otis....
…doesn’t mean he isn’t a mental midget.
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And I agree with that comment
but that means the guy has mental retardation issues. In my opinion he is either 12 years old or literally mentally challenged. Either way, it doesn’t bother me as much. If he starts coming up with attacks against other people then I would think he is a troll.
And if he is in fact a troll, he isn’t a very good one because the only impression he is giving off is that he is either young or literally brain damaged in some form.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Yup Wally.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
wow
so now your making fun of me being 12 and having down syndrome? Its people like everyone on this site that make us feel unwanted. People with down syndrome can be fans too. I might not have the greatest ideas but neither do 90% of everyone else on this fucking site. You guys should be really proud
Okay good to know you are just a troll
Congrats, you had me convinced you were 12 for awhile there.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 7, 2010 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
With ya on this Wally.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And no
I was literally saying that your comments really came of like you either had to be really young or at the very least have the mental capacity of someone much younger than your real age. Either way, I wasn’t going to rail on you for it because I wouldn’t feel like it would be appropriate. Plus, why would someone trolling actually want to come off as very young.
But then again, the fact all of a sudden you claim you have down sydrome pretty much sums up the fact you are a manipulative liar. So I was wrong to think you were just a kid.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 7, 2010 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Al Jefferson
Isn’t he on the trading block as Minnesota wants to get rid of his deal, I know he has had knee surgery a few years ago, but doesn’t it take a year for a player to get over the surgery. If he pays off that would make the Kings
I’m not sure what Minnesota would want from Sacramento, be it cap space or players, but if he is back to full health he is a great low post scorer and rebounder. I haven’t done the trade machine math but maybe some version of JT, Omri, Donte and a pick or taking back a bad contract.
The question I have is, assuming that if Cousins can play, would he fit in the Tyreke and Cousins? Or would we have to many low post players and would clog up the middle. Is he a chucker will there be enough balls to go round
Thoughts?
I think I might have lost half my IQ reading this thread.
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seriously, thanks
it helped
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Extra bored. Extra Asinine Trade.
Right here
And the Kings would get the rights to Dominique Jones, Hornets get a future firstie from Dallas.
Clearly, Petrie would only do this trade if he had extreme confidence in Whiteside. I love the shit out of Landry, but I can’t help thinking that he’ll be gone after this year with what the contenders will have to offer him. I think a team like New York may offer him the world when they Carmelo’s no longer available. The Kings get a guy who can start for 10 years.
The Mavs do this trade to become a contender. If they sign someone like Haywood or Shaq with their MLE they then would have a front court lineup of Dirk-Landry-Okafor-Shaq/Haywood to compete will L.A’s size. Okafor’s salary actually won’t be that bad for the first year, because 14 million for Landry/Okafor/Thornton together is reasonable. Gives them Bird rights to Landry.
The Hornets would love to shed Okafor, but they probably only do this trade if they are convinced it won’t make CP3 demand to be traded. They’ll need to be able to score a decent enough free agent for this trade, which in this market, might replace Okafor’s contract with a another bad contract. Redick might be really good playing with CP3. Thorton is a big loss, but they really didn’t need Collison anyway.
Is NOH that in need of cap relief.
I doubt that they give up that much young talent just to get Dampiers non guaranteed contract.
On a side note, Haywood turned down a 4 yr $32M contract in Washington and is looking for $10M per in his new deal.
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You're probably right.
Especially after they threw away Aldrich for cap relief, I don’t think this will happen.
That said, the goal of this trade was to kill ten minutes of my time waiting for pizza. Mission Accomplished.
What kind of pizza?
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 6, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah.
It’s not delivery. It’s DiGiorno.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 6, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
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