Reading Jerry Reynolds, Part Deux
by R-Man on Jun 4, 2010 10:08 AM PDT
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Print(From the FanPosts. Interesting comments from J.R. ... and an interesting divination from R-Man. --TZ)
OK, so last year (almost to the day), I am listening to the Rise Guys talk with Jerry Reynolds and he drops some hints as to who we may or may not draft. He specifically mentions that we may not take the popular pick, but he is confident we will get a good player at the #4 spot. He had also name dropped Tyreke Evans prior to that, and I posted that I thought Jerry had made a couple of comments that led me to believe that we were going to pass on Ricky Rubio and take Tyreke.
Anyhow, so Jerry was on with the Rise Guys this morning, and he did it again. He mentioned that (and I am paraphrasing here because I can't remember his exact words) the team was going to take the guy with the most talent -- not necessarily a guy that gets along with everyone. (Someone maybe able to back me up with his exact words or go to the podcast to help me out.) This, to me, is a clear indication that if Cousins is on the board, we will take him.
I'm calling it now. Jerry is the man. If DMC is there, he is going to be a King. Get the XXXXL jersey ready.
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Simply for calling the Tyreke pick last year and all the nonbelievers you proved wrong as well… I hope you’re right again this year.
Tyreke Evans for R.O.Y!
by sac-townz finest on Jun 4, 2010 10:19 AM PDT reply actions
Yes, it was fun to go back and look at that thread...
The general consensus was that there was no way we were passing on Rubio for Tyreke. Section 214 also mentions that if it did happen, it would result in a very entertaining thread (which also proved to be true).
That's assuming he drops to us.
But I’m fairly confidant that we can’t go wrong, picking either Johnson or Cousins!
Could Jerry be refering to Aminu though?
He has a worse history than DMC at least with the law. He’s seen as lackadaisical and a little uninterested at times.
There’s more than just Cousins in terms of talented, misguided players in the lottery.
I was thinking that he might have meant Aminu also. Hope not.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Aminu is reportedly a good teammate
focused, very hard worker, unselfish, etc.
“Coaches and teammates from Aminu’s past universally attest to his work ethic and high character” (Keith Langiois; Pistons.com)
and I haven’t been able to dig up any reports of him “not getting along” with anyone at Wake.
He did have a pretty serious incident with the law when he was in High School two years ago, and not to excuse that, but he was 17 years old at the time, and it’s not anything like the fights, arguments, attitude, meds and other crazy stuff we’ve all read about Cousins.
Again, I don’t know much about Aminu. Maybe he’s a total d-bag. But there are no accounts as such, and there’s definitely no basis to believe Jerry was referring to him in this quote.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Reynolds
Yeah, I was also listening this morning. I don’t believe he mentioned Cousins specifically by name, or at least if he did I missed it, but he suggested that the team could survive (and possibly even thrive) with taking a player that might not be the best character guy if the talent was there. He didn’t say those words exactly (I wish he could remember exactly what he said) but the gist I got from it was, indeed, he was referring to taking Cousins and that the Kings wouldn’t necessarily shy away from taking him due to his off the court (and on) issues if he fell to us. The Rise Guys had an interview coming up at the time so, unfortunately, he wasn’t on for as long as he usually is.
Jerry is like a kid's version of the Davinci code
when it comes to giving out clues to what the King’s are thinking. In this case, I think you have cracked it correctly. I also think it means that he thinks there is a good chance Cousins falls to 5.
However the Warriors are offering Randolph, to move to 4. I think that has Cousins written all over it.
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
Sources are saying that the Warriors draft board looks like...
1. Wall
2. Turner
3. Johnson
Tyreke Evans for R.O.Y!
by sac-townz finest on Jun 4, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
The more i think about it . The more i think Johnson is a classic Nellie smoke screen
Other examples, when he constantly praised Jordan Hill, and everyone thought Warriors would take him.
And then there’s the imfamous Yinka Dare
Is Minny better off with Johnson or Randolph?
Randolph isn’t better than Love. So, where’ Randolph going to get his minutes. And, is giving up Johnson to move down 2 spot worth a backup PF?
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Moving Jefferson and his contract is easy for you to say, doing it is another thing
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
There are GM's ALWAYS
Willing to take a chance on a 20-10 guy… I present to you Zach Randolph.
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Jun 5, 2010 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Again easy for you to say.
It still takes $13M in cap space or someone Minny is willing to accept. It’s not like their looking for cap relief. They have 9 players under contrat and only $35M in salaries and it gets cheaper over the next two years.
They may barely make the league min salary if they sign all their draft picks. Your not going to dump garbage on them for Jefferson.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
I was saying more from the standpoint of OTHER teams Taking Jefferson.
He doesn’t seem to have the offcourt problems that Zach Randolph did/does either. And (while two of the three GM’s are now gone) they both took risks on Randolph even though his contract is gigantic.
Jefferson would be Easier to move if you ask me from the standpoint that he’s a pretty good player and still relatively young and is a 20-10 guy.
Now if you are the T-Wolves I would not get rid of him but for a player of like caliber IE Danny Granger, Kevin Martin etc.
Also, every time Randolph has been traded it’s for pennies on the dollar. I think you may have to take a slight talent reduction for Jefferson due to injury concerns but I don’t think Minny is trying to straight DUMP him. And in no way am I arguing that he be a king next season as I see him as a player who clogs the lane for Tyreke and we already have a similar in style offensive player (for WAY less money) in Landry.
However, I do think If Minny wants to trade him after the big three have signed there will be teams calling about Jefferson.
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Jun 6, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I understood your point, and agree
I was simply pointing out Minny needs fair value before agreeing to a trade. That’s hard to get most of the time. Most trades aren’t even.
I already posted that Minny should take Philly up on their offer to give up #2 with Brand. I suggested Minny offer Jefferson and #16 for Brand and #2. Philly saves about $15M and gets a player withou an injury problem and still gets a 1st round pick.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Yep... I agree!
Though Jefferson has had his fair share of injuries thus far.
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Jun 7, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like he broke the code, but it is still too early, I think for anyone to know what is going to happen.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Whoops
I landed in the wrong place, I thought this was the link for
...
by prowseinthehouse on Jun 4, 2010 11:03 AM PDT reply actions
character
I realise its only game one of the finals but is anyone else bemused that Ron Artest seems to following the Laker program, and apart from the ill advised 3 against Phx, which he made up for with the bizzaro put back off the Kobe Airball. Either Phil Jackson is a genius in dealing with people or he idolises or is terrified of Kobe. When he has been at other stops he seemingly can’t get out of his own way. Thoughts?
I vote Phil Jackson is a genius in dealing with people
I have talked about this many times with friends, and they seem to feel the same way. We came to the conclusion that Phil Jackson isn’t actually the greatest coach technically, but is a master at controlling egos. Too bad it is too late to see him with a team that wasn’t already catered for him to win it all, just to see how he does when he is actually challenged.
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by prowseinthehouse on Jun 4, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Artest is in awe of Kobe.
He desperately needs the approval and he can redefine his career if he (at least in his own mind) can play the role of Artest : Kobe :: Pippen : Jordan.
by Kevin Conroy on Jun 4, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
agree but
I think its more of a Rodman to Jordan relationship. Both Artest and Rod are gifted stallions that need to be tamed by the best player in the league…Smmons touched upon this.
by WhentheKingswinyouwin! on Jun 4, 2010 12:45 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I always thought that Artest always considered himself on the level of the Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Carmello
But since playing with Kobe he has realized he is no where near that level, was struck with an epiphany, and decided to put his bull shit aside to cooperate and watch with a legend, who will help him win a championship.
by The Guy on the Couch on Jun 4, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I think part of it might be that in L.A. he gets ass loads of attention anyways, without having to do anything crazy.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 4, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
This comment from dbfish on last year's thread stuck with me
Not meaning to call anyone out but dbfish isn’t a regular so fuck ’em.
Talk on Jerry, Blah, Blah, Blah.
That being said, if the Kings take Evans or anybody else if Rubio is still available, I would be very disapointed
Funny how things turn out and how worked up we all get about the draft. Even I am guilty of it but I suppose this statement just helps me relax and wait out the offseason storm.
I was on the Casspi train at 23 for a while too.
If you check out the draft boards. I think I picked Omri about 5 or 6 times before he was actually selected by the community.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Yeah, same
Everyone missed out on Mancakes though. I had Reke, Omri, Derrick Brown.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Damn Derrick Brown love.
How could you ever go so wrong Aykis? I mean seriously? Derrick Brown!?!?! What were you thinking? < / hypocrisy >
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Obviously the jury is still out on RR but...
I will even call out a regular. Last year jjham said…
To luck into Rubio at #4 and not take him would not be acceptable to me and I think to the masses.
Indeed it was unacceptable at the time as most, myself included, were shocked at the passing of Rubio. Just goes to show you the GP knows more about the game and business of basketball than us.
With all due respect, how do you feel now jj?
I still don't understand the Rubio bashing
If I had to guess, I’d say that Evans is going to be the better player. But until Rubio actually plays in the NBA, I don’t think you can say “I told you so”.
Pacifist ass-kisser
Not that you said "I told you so"
But I don’t think we can call that a winner for Petrie (re: Rubio v. Evans) for a few years.
Pacifist ass-kisser
Hey Otis
…I thought you would be bitter, I mean, Rubio did reject your meat cutting skillz! I am kidding wit you.
Seriously, To think that we did not dodge a bullet by taking Reke over Rubio, I dont care what year it is. this one or ten years. I mean I liked that pick from the beginning, I hate to go all Singletary, but I want Players!
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
Actually, Singletary says "I want winners!"
Anyways, I liked the Evans pick as well. But I understand that Rubio would have brought a J-Will type buzz to the franchise at a time that the franchise was desperately trying to get butts in the seats.
You, me and pretty much everyone here loves Tyreke now. But I’m still not convinced that it’s going to be easy to build a contender around him…or at least that it will be easier than it would be with Señor Rubio.
Pacifist ass-kisser
He does say that... but in that voice, I say... "I want Players"
ha ha, and I dont mean like 5 kids with 5 woman kinda players. I mean, Bonified Ball Players, I did not want a Project, espcially a European Project.
and to comment on Building a Franchise, Steve Nash was Traded before he came back to Phoenix, and the absoulute best ceiling for Rubio is Nash like.
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
and the absoulute best ceiling for Rubio is Nash like.
I’m gonna assume you mean Nash-lite? Don’t forget, Steve Nash wasn’t really heralded coming out of college, and it took him a few seasons to find a foothold.
Pacifist ass-kisser
Naw, I mean Steve Nash Like..
I mean, I dont care how he got there. and because you are more hearalded coming out of college, does not mean you have a HIGHER Ceiling. IMO
Are you Assuming, that when Rubio enters the league… he will have impact? cause, I still see him has a project, alot like Mike Conley (overrated), unless you consider Conley still in “project mode”
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
Will he have an impact?
Remains to be seen. I think he’s got useful tools at the PG position, with a pretty high ceiling.
My sole point was that many people appear to have determined Rubio’s career potential based on non-transferable statistical achievements in Europe. I’m not ready to do that quite yet.
Pacifist ass-kisser
Yes.. I have to admit
I have forgot where I buried Rubio… thus he has no grave. I would be shocked to see him succeed in this league. but thats just me. seems like a quaility researve. Aka… Beno or Dragic, but never a Drazen or Detlef or even Turk.
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
Nash has always been a terrific shooter though
I don’t see Rubio doing that. I see more Jason Kidd than Steve Nash.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Fair Enough... Kidd
and if you ask me… Rubio’s Skillz as an NBA player is just as much a risk as Cousins possible character Risks.
However, I would have hated Rubio Pick, and I am high on Cousins Pick, if available at #5
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
and Like a Fembot...
…I explode
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
Nash wasn't heralded
But he was an incredible talent.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
people actually forget this
The guy was pretty well known as a talented player out of college. Heck wasn’t he a big part of the Jason Kidd trade to Phoenix?
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Yup
I think this is why people didn’t realize how good he was. Normally a player the caliber of Nash was doesn’t drop that far. I’m still surprised the Warriors didn’t take him at 11. Todd Fuller. What a complete bush for the Dubs.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
bust for the Dubs^
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
LOL, a complete bush . . . until he corrected it I thought it was a great new term I was missing out on.
the thing that sucks is I want to rec it but not sure which comment to rec
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Jun 5, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Spread it around.
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… I think I awkwarded myself.
Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing more efficiently.
I thought about leaving it. And thankfully you made the joke for me.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Awesome! A pookeyism
that I for one will endeavor to propagate.
“bush” definition:
1) a bust and a douche, combined.
2) A monumental failure that could have been avoided if only obvious warning signs had been heeded.
3) Someone or something given an opportunity for greatness but is unable to meet even modest expectations.
“I don’t know what the Raiders were thinking when they drafted JaMarcus Russell… the dude turned out to be a total bush!”
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
by Mucho Moss on Jun 5, 2010 3:12 AM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
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EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
So, this is how new words are created. lol
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
wow!
I’ve been posting pearls of wisdom and mindless crap on this freakin blog for a couple of years now, but this is the first time I ever got Donte’d!
I’m humble man this evening…
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Well earned MM.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
It should be spelled bouche.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
by jjham15 on Jun 6, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know. I kind of like it bush.
Sort of reminds me of former Pres. Bush – both a bust and a douche. It works.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
by Slam_Dunk on Jun 6, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Northern California knew how good Nash was but that was about it.
Nash was definitely a player of interest for a lot of Kings fans because he was a local college player. The Todd Fuller pick was one of the oddest picks of all time. What a stiff and he had strangely blue lip like he had a heart condition or something.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
a bush! nice
god those drafts were awful. Pass on Kobe for Todd Fuller, then a chance at redemption few years later and we take Adonal foyle over T-Mac
And the legacy of Chris Cohan had only yet begun....
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
The fact I attended my first Warriors game in 1994 at the beginning of the Cohan era (and webber's only season)
And still lasted a fan till now. I should get an award.
At least you are willing to admit your failures! :D
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Jun 5, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd still settle for players at this point
we need a lot of help. :-)
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Last time Reynolds was talking about Rubio
Was Rubio getting shut down by Patrick Beverly and having to sit out the rest of the game because he became a non-factor.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Phil Jackson
I think Terry Porter once said I’d like to see him run the “Triangle with Vancouver”, I don’t care for his schtick at times, with is whining to refs before series, to some of his motivational tricks, the using the Nazi-German themes when the played the Kings. But there have been many coaches with talent who have not won. You can’t ignore his success in getting his players to play, avoiding the disease of more and not taking success for granted, getting role players and other less successful guys to buy in to what he is selling.
Phil sure was a great coach
They year before the got Gasol and they lakers were losing a first round playoff series…
Or was that a different coach?
Exactly.
The guy takes on teams with Alpha dog superstars and gets them to not fall below expectations. Maybe that is considered impressive, and I’m not saying its a piece of cake, but I’ll take a coach like Jerry Sloan who continually maximizes rosters full of non-superstars and turns them into conference finals threats over Phil reading Alexander Dumas quotes in the style of Dr. Suess to his “difficult and quirky” all stars who have taken pay cuts to play cape carriers to the All-World, players who self enforce a winning mentality he won’t coach without.
And yes, paragraph length sentences are an art not a flaw.
by Tark Le Shark on Jun 4, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Sloan did have an MVP power forward and an all-time top five point guard for a while, and he still couldn’t bring home a title. Now, he’s got a top-five current point guard with an arguably top five current power forward. I respect him as a coach who gives his players clear roles and clear teaching about an effective system, but I think it’s hard to make the argument that he’s had to do his coaching with poor players, or even non-superstars, as both Stockton and Malone were superstar-level (Dream Team) players.
The bad thing for Sloan though was
He had Malone and Stockton at arguably the worst time: When the Bulls had Jordan and Pippen.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Puh-lease
Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, Kerr, Kukoc, BJ Armstrong, Ron Harper, Paxson…Bill Wnnington
vs.
Stockton, Malone, Hornacek, Anderson, ummm…… Ostertag
Jerry Sloan hands down. Switch those rosters and then tell me who is the better coach. That Jizz team was fantastic but 2 players deep is a tough proposition.
taken out of context:
2 players deep is a tough proposition.
by TheFifthMookie on Jun 4, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't believe you didn't include the first part of that sentence
That Jizz team was fantastic but 2 players deep is a tough proposition.
That would have won quote of the week during the season
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Jun 4, 2010 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He’s the best coach in the league, as long as he’s coaching 2 of the top 5 players in the league.
by WhentheKingswinyouwin! on Jun 4, 2010 1:31 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
If the interpretation of Reynold's comments is correct
It makes me feel much better about the questionable aspects of Cousins. If the Kings believe in his talent more than his problems, then he’s a great fit as the next piece to a playoff contender.
Truth be told
It’s a real gamble once the draft gets past the Top 5. I think it’s very likely the 2nd and possibly 3rd best player in this draft emerges from a latter pick, however guessing who requires a lot of projection.
If Cousins is the last of the 5 available he’s obviously demonstrated a level of talent far above anyone remaining. Of course that isn’t the issue with Cousins, it’s whether he can continue to improve and grow as a pro or will he get passed by.
He does. Apparently he's too old for this shit.
And there’s no cure for old.
Sheesh.
Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing more efficiently.
Interesting
It would hint Cousins . . . I guess, I don’t know if any other top tier talent has social issues. I find it sort of surprising because I heard Grant was saying there was hardly a chance the Kings would draft Cousins. One thing I’ve felt strongly about Grant over the years is Grant doesn’t speak out about the Kings roster decisions unless he is being told something from the Kings front office, who I always assumed was Jerry.
HOW DID THIS THREAD EVOLVE INTO A PHIL JACKSON LOVEFEST?
STOP IT! Stop it NOW! He’s a douchebag, deserves little respect and will get none more on here. This thread is about who Reynolds was talking about in the draft for the Kings future. Nothing did he mention PJ by. Go elsewhere for that sort of crap.
by Smills9133 on Jun 4, 2010 12:30 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Good call R Man
JR is good at dropping hints. Don’t forget that he was already talking about Tyreke even before the season ended that year. He mentioned his name many times on TV.
If this is indeed a vote confidence for Cousins then I’m all about it. Hope he drops to 5 then…
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Obama was also a huge Tyreke fan
Maybe we should ask him who he likes. I think I’ll write him a letter. Anyone know the address?
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Not a surprise at all
GP doesn’t pick projects, plain and simple. This means no Whiteside, maybe not even Favors.
what?
Martin, Douby, Wallace, Peja were all projects.
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
I agree with the reasoning
but to nitpick I’d say Peja was a pro by the time he came over. I couldn’t attest to his performance if he’d come right when drafted but shootin’ is shootin’.
Spencer Hawes is someone I’d add to this list as well.
Hawes was already solid and skilled offensively
He was the best big-man on the board and we needed one. Noah was gone, so Petrie picked up the next best thing. Hawes was the guy touted as having polished offensive skills. He wasn’t considered a project pick.
Thabeet was a project pick. Guys who have crazy athleticism or height, who don’t have sound Basketball IQ (or, at least, offensive B-Ball IQ) are projects.
I have to disagree
Peja was pretty good overseas, already, but he wasn’t really known. Martin was drafted because he broke Peja’s shooting record in his workouts. I believe Douby did the same thing. Not sure about Wallace.
Wallace was #26
Anybody at 26 is a project and Wallace was top HS player who played badly as F at ’Bama … Petrie was attracted by the upside. Douby was 4-year player.
Picking at #5, it doesn’t make sense to reach for a project, you take the BPA with the highest upside.
I always got the feeling that Crash Wallace
was an “agent favor” type of pick. Great HS talent, dismal in college – just seemed odd at the time and his agent was… Arn Tellem?
by betweentheeyes on Jun 5, 2010 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I think
Many of us think Petrie will take Cousins if he’s there. Here’s the issue, many of us also assume he won’t be there. So the question remains, whose the secondary option?
if cousins is Gone....
Wes Johnson.
Wiz – Wall
6ers – Turner
Nets – Favors
T-Wolves – Wes Johnson/DMC
Kings – DMC/Wes
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
This is everybody's top 5 in whatever order
So if the Wolves trade for Randolph and the 6 who are the looking at….(assuming the W’s have one of the above top 5 in sight by moving to 4).
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
everybody assumes Johnson
unless cousins and johnson get taken before 5. But that leaves open the possibility of Wall, Turner, or Favors.
The sleeper pick could end up here, but deciphering who that is is a crap shoot.
Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
Yeah...I hope that happens
Can you imagine if Turner or Favors fell to the Kings. It would be like the Luckiest, Greatest Feeling. And us Kings fans know what that feels like, right?
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
If that happens, stay ready for GP to pass on them
Ricky Rubio, never forget.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
Never Forget?
for some reason… Favors falling to #5 seems SO much more than… Rubio falling to #4 for us Last year. Thats just me.
If GP passes on Favors… he will Get Hammerd on StR… Pookey will light himself on fire. The Arena Deal would fall through. The Kings will hire Paul McGuire to announce 25 games a year. Walter Bishop will be Secratary General.
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
Favors !
It’s more likely that Favors falls to #5 than Turner …. if somebody trades up into top 5, it’s to get DMC or Turner.
Other than Cousins, who else in this draft has "issues"?
Cousins is obvious. Then I started thinking about other guys that have “issues”. Maybe he’s talking about Whiteside? Maybe the Kings will take Willie Warren? Aminu was mentioned above. How about Caracter? But honestly, the name that came to mind was Renardo Sidney. I don’t know if he’s still in this draft, but if he stays in and goes undrafted, I think he’s worth the risk.
here is the interview
http://khtk.cbslocal.com/2010/06/04/jerry-reynolds-talks-about-woodens-legacy/#more-1612
but I don’t think Jerry was alluding to the kings wanting to take cousins per say. Right before he says that the team would be willing to draft a player that has an attitude problem, he talks about needing to find out if a player loves the games or not, as is willing to put in the work. Personally, I am not worried about his “attitude” on or off the court, because I like big guys with nasty. I am only really concerned with his work ethic….Will he hit the wieght room? will he loose that body fat? that needs to be the main area of concen, not if he is a nice guy or gives an awesome interview or not.
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
Yeah. I don't think you can draw any conclusions one way or the other about the Kings thoughts about Cousins from this interview with Jerry Reynolds.
He does say that they could stand a guy who is “not totally nice” if he is “really, really good.” So, that could be interpreted as a possible endorsement for Cousins.
It is not surprising that they are looking at Greg Monroe. Jerry describes him as, “the best passing big man,” but also as, “not the most athletic.” He says that Monroe could be picked at the 4, 5, 6, 7, or 8 position.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
I don't know...
…who in this draft is “not totally nice,” but is “really, really good”? Cousins is certainly the first player that came to my mind.
Jerry said the same sort of vague things last year about not taking the “popular choice, but the most talented player.” Again, you could interpret that any number of ways, but I took it to mean that we weren’t crazy about Rubio.
Cousins was the first person who came to mind for me, but I don't want to read too much into his words.
I think you were right on with your interpretation last year.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
Agreed
With Cousins, I am not nearly as concerned about him throwing an elbow as I am the weight issue.
He said there are 4 players to consider,
assuming that John Wall and Evan Turner are gone, so that leaves:
a) Derrick Favors
b) DeMarcus Cousins
c) Wesley Johnson
d) Aminu or Monroe???
Tyreke Evans for R.O.Y!
by sac-townz finest on Jun 6, 2010 11:52 AM PDT reply actions
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