Kevin Love for Anthony Randolph?
Via Draftexpress twitter....the fact that Giovony heard of it means there must be something to this deal, since he really just covers the draft. I know this isn't necessarily Kings related, but there was discussion about the Warriors leapfrogging the Kings in the draft using Randolph. This would change things.
If this trade goes down, it would be yet another blunder by Kahn.
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I don't see Minny doing this.
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I hope Minny doesn't do this, I'll be very dissapointed that the warriors get to draft someone before us, and possibly draft Cousins or Wes J.
Probably just a smoke screen so other teams(including The Kings) can offer something better..
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I would be very disappointed too, but I am not sure how much that might change things.
Afterall, we are in the 5 spot and unless something happens to change that, there is always going to be someone in the 4 spot. Does it really make that much difference whether it is the Timberwolves or the Wizards? I don’t know maybe it does.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
Wouldn't us offering Donte Greene be the same thing?
Donte might actually be better but I wouldn’t expect Khan to know that.
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Jun 4, 2010 10:59 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Reke'd for accuracy
It never ceases to amaze me how overhyped Anthony Randolph is. I swear, GSW fans are the catalyst for overhyping their players more than any other franchise save maybe the Laker and Toronto fanbases. It’s just ridiculous. They swear Randolph is worth a top 5 pick in this draft. Well, honestly, how is Anthony Randolph any different from Donte Greene? The only difference I see in their games is that AR is better ball-handler and Donte is a better deep threat. But honestly, I see Donte’ having a higher ceiling(even though I doubt either actually reaches their respective ceilings).
It cracks me up though. Around the association it seems like Donte is viewed as some filler, throw-in dude, yet AR gets perceived legit value of a late lotto pick(top 5 if you’re a Warrior fan). It’s just ridiculous. Minnesota would be idiotic to deal Love for AR straight up. If they took the #6 pick WITH him while sending #23 to GS I could see that as a fairly equitable deal for both parties. AR just really doesn’t do it for me. I think he’s the product of the HYPE MACHINE on RGM and GSoM.
by Smills9133 on Jun 5, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
One more thing
The main reason for the higher ‘perceived’ value for AR I think comes with the misconception that AR is a GREAT SHOT BLOCKER and Donte’ isn’t. I think shot blocking by itself is easily the most overrated and overhyped stat in the league. Donte is just as capable of blocking shots as AR is. But AR gets some perceived advantage at shotblocking because he did it in college more often, while Donte played in a stupid ’Cuse zone.
Donte’s shown his ability as a defender in this league and the flashes of brilliance are there. I’ll wager high amounts that Donte becomes the better player of the two when all is said and done.
Shot Blocking = Luxury, but overrated at that.
by Smills9133 on Jun 5, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll bet Donte ends up better, but for different reasons
Anthony Randolph is absurdly, ridiculously talented. His speed and skill set for his size are amazing. Unfortunately, there are plenty of questions about his work ethic and maturity. Donte’s had the same questions. Luckily for us, Donte plays for a team where he’s started developing a better work ethic and becoming more mature while also developing as a player. Randolph on the other hand plays for Don Nelson, destroyer of young players’ confidence.
Honestly though, I think Randolph may be good in Rambis’ “system.” But Kahn would be a ratard for giving up the pick and Kevin Love for him.
#vfettkefordraft
I don't know if it's AR's work ethic
sounds like it has more to do with him having a general attitude like he is hot shit which yes is a bad thing too
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Jun 5, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
and not knowing the plays
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Jun 5, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Randolph is better than Greene...
I like Greene and I think he’s got a ton of potential, but I would so much rather have Randolph than Greene.
he might not be more talented
But I would much rather have greene, in that he has a much better chance of reaching his potential. Look at the improvment Donte has shown, especially on Defense, in 1 year.
I don’t know how much I buy into Nelson not playing rookies….he doesn’t play them because he hasn’t had many good rookies. Last I checked, Curry played a little.
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
Curry only played because they ran out of bodies
It’s probably the reason he lost the ROY – because Nelson had no intention of giving him anything more than token minutes until that team was forced to do so due to their massive injury problems.
Greene has improved, but that’s not saying a lot considering he was worse than awful his rookie season.
I think there is some home cooking going on in the Greene vs. Randolph debate here.
Pacifist ass-kisser
Let me summarize
Both Donté Greene and Anthony Randolph have the potential to be really really good players in the NBA.
by betweentheeyes on Jun 6, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I am an idiot so someone has to educate me on this
(pushing Love aside on this one because I just can’t fathom suggesting he and AR are equal)
As a person, Donte seems like the most likeable King but I really have a hard time seeing him as having great potential. I am also not a big fan of AR but technically it seems to me that he has given more given his age and what he has done so far compared to Donte.
Just looking at their stats from last year
Randolph
Per Game: 9.2 pts/6 rb/ 0.9ast/ 0.8 stl/ 1.3 blks/ 45.4 fg%
Per 36: 16.9 pts/11.1rb/1.7ast/1.3 stl/ 2.4 blks/2.5 turnovers/ 4.5 fouls
Adanced: 17.6 PER/ 51.2 TS%/ 16.9 RB%/ 0.080 WS per 48
Greene
Per Game: 85. pts/ 2.4 rbs/ 0.9 ast/ 0.5 stl/ 0.7 blk/ 44.1 fg%
Per 36: 13.1 pts/ 4.9 rbs/ 1.5 ast/ 0.9 stl/ 1.2 blk/ 2.1 turnovers/ 3.3 fouls
Adanced: 11.6 PER/ 46/7 TS%/ 7.8 RB%/ 0.007 WS per 48
So yeah I guess I don’t understand how Donte has the same potential as AR.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Jun 5, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Sadly, this might be the exact reason Donte has a better career
because he doesn’t play for Nelly
#vfettkefordraft
holy crap donte scores a lot per game!
8.5 per game. Sorry.
Also completely screwed up Donte’s Advanced
11.6 PER/52.6 TS%/ 8.2% RB/ 0.044 WS per 48
(sorry I did the total including both years the first time)
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Jun 5, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I wasn't being totally serious
When I suggested Donte was better than AR. I don’t think very high of Donte at this point & I feel the same way about AR.
I feel trading Kevin Love for AR would be utterly ridiculous as would trading Donte. They are both still very raw players who couldn’t hold Love’s jock.
I do have a question for Randolph fans. Has AR improved any in his first two seasons? I don’t know but I saw great improvement from Donte last season. Maybe donte passes up Randolph next season?
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Jun 5, 2010 12:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I know you weren't being totally serious
The question wasn’t just meant for you though.
As for the improvement thing, I don’t see why we would think Donte would pass up Randolph next season. Just because Donte went from “Should not be in the league” to “hey can be part of the rotation on a cellar dweller” doesn’t mean much.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Jun 5, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Stat tell you what a player was, not what he will be.
That’s the problem with potential, no one knows for sure. I judge Players by skill first and athleticism second. The intangibles are the final piece. Donte wasn’t a good ball handler out of college so he took too many outside shots, and playing away from the basket as a 3 or 2 for the Kings wasn’t helping. The Kings use their 3’s as outside shooters. And as a 2 who couldn’t handle the ball well or create his own shot, Donte was limited to the outside shot there also. So comparing his stats to AR’s who played consistently at PF in a system that allowed him to play closer to the basket, isn’t a fair comparison.
Now as to why I believe Donte is ready for a major jump in his career. It’s the intangibles, Dontes work ethic, and willingness to buy into the coaches system. Donte showed remarkable improvement in defense, especially for someone who played one year of zone at Cuse. He showed the ablility to defend SG’s (Kobe) and SF’s. As a PF he was a tremendous weakside shot blocker. And, he improved his outside shooting to the point that he was the best outside shooter on the team.
The next step in his development is improved handling. If he can create his own dribble and get to the rim and finish like he already has shown he can, Donte could be the most potent offensive player on the team. And, he’s already well on his way to being one of the best defensive players already. He’s already shown he can improve and until he stops improving, I’ve got to believe he will continue to take the next step.
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I see a kevin martin type progression
Steady as she goes. Year three decent 6th man. Year 4-5, starter and in the convo for an all-star nod even if not all the way there yet.
Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
Yes, very few rookies hit their ceiling their first 2 years
to reach your ceiling you have to climb the ladder one step at a time, so to speak. That’s why injuries are so devastating early in your career. The book on Oden and Griffin will take a long time to close.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Yeah but Kevin Martin was pretty unique in terms of progression
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Not really that out of the ordinary for guys picked late in the first round or second
Rashard Lewis, Michael Redd, Memo Okur, etc. etc.
For what it's worth
Rashard Lewis – Per Game First 3 seasons [per 36 in brackets
G MP FG% TRB AST PTS WS/48
19 7.3 36.5 1.3 [6.2] 0.2 [1.0] 2.4 [11.7] -0.138
82 19.2 48.6 4.1 [7.2] 0.9 [1.6] 8.2 [15.4] 0.125
78 34.9 48.0 6.9 [7.2] 1.6 [ 1.7] 14.8 [15.2] 0.142
Michael Redd
G MP FG% TRB AST PTS WS/48
6 5.8 26.3 0.7 [4.1] 0.2 [1.0] 2.2 [13.4] -0.163
67 21.1 48.3 3.3 [5.7] 1.4 [2.3] 11.4 [19.5] 0.155
82 28.2 46.9 4.5 [5.8] 1.4 [1.8] 15.1 [19.3] 0.167
Memo Okur
G MP FG% TRB AST PTS WS/48
72 19.0 42.6 4.7 [8.8] 1.0 [1.9] 6.9 [13.0] 0.134
71 22.3 46.3 5.9 [9.6] 1.0 [1.6] 9.6 [15.5] 0.179
82 28.1 46.8 7.5 [9.6] 2.0 [2.6 12.9 [16.5] 0.147
Kevin Martin
G MP FG% TRB AST PTS WS/48
45 10.1 38.5 1.3 [4.6] 0.5 [1.7] 2.9 [10.4] 0.016
72 26.6 48.0 3.6 [4.9] 1.3 [1.8] 10.8 [14.6] 0.137
80 35.2 47.3 4.3 [4.4] 2.2 [2.2] 20.2 [20.7] 0.173
Donte Greene
G MP FG% TRB AST PTS WS/48
55 13.2 32.6 1.6 [4.3] 0.5 [1.5] 3.8 [10.4] -0.074
76 21.4 44.1 3.1 [5.2] 0.9 [1.6] 8.5 [14.3] 0.044
I don’t know what the point of this was. I just wanted to stack them all next to each other to see the difference. I dunno, I just have a hard time seeing Donte do what they all did but then again I would have said the same for Kevin Martin after his second year.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
sorry
Read a lot nicer in my little purple box. Well, that is an abortion of a comment if I have ever seen one.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Lining up this stuff is a lot harder than it looks. I've tried here and EC and I've never figured out how.
In fact, I wish I could add boxes to some of the stuff I write cuz it would be helpful. But doing that shit on html is a bitch and I’ve never had the patience to figure it out.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
yeah I was first pissed because I couldn't really make sense of what I put down
and on top of that it does not go in how I planned it. I had to just get up and walk away from the computer. Complete waste of time
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Jun 5, 2010 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't break your comp Wally. We need you around here.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
There is no guarantee future Randolph
will ever produce as much as current Love…, Love and Cousins/Johnson is better than Randolph/#6. (At least GS thinks so or they wouldn’t try to do this trade) This must mean a go from Minny.
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
Man, as much as it pains me to say it...
Love and his crazy outlet passes would fit right into Nelson’s up and down style…
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
not to mention
his awesome rebounding, shooting, passing….and the fact that he can’t defend anyone.
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
Is it me or does this trade first need to pass through the stupid filter?
Historical evidence suggests David Kahn doesn’t have one. Even worse was the suggestion that the Warriors might even move up to a better draft pick with this trade.
If it is a trade
I don’t think GS gets to swap the 4 and 6 too, because Love is the better player right now.
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Draft implications...
Lots more info about this trade still needed, but if picks aren’t swapped it would imply that Minny may be clearing some room for DMC as the 4th pick. If picks are swapped, it makes more sense to me that GS would take WeJo.
Being firmly in the camp that Cousins is the only of the top 4 that may fall to 5, I hope picks are swapped.
I agree with your suggested implications
Though if Minny has their eye on Cousins, shouldn’t they be trying to move Jefferson instead of Love? It seems to me that a Love-Cousins combo makes more sense than a Jefferson-Cousins combo (not that I watched much Minny basketball this year, just my simple impressions). Obviously, they could be really trying to move Jefferson and just not finding any suitable deals, but I have a hard time seeing how Cousins and Jefferson would work well together. Maybe Minny has their eye on Monroe and they’re looking to move back to #6 to take him. I could see Monroe-Jefferson being a somewhat appealing combo.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 5, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
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