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Realistic Trade Scenarios involving the #5 pick?


It seems that there are more questions than answers after the top 3 spots, so I wonder if it is really worth a whole season of rebuilding (ie. last year) to potentially gamble away such a high pick.  What do you think...or do you?


My suggestion would be the #5 pick for Darren Collison and the #11 pick.  With the 11 there is still a shot a landing a good player. Off the top of my head I know that Amar'e, Pierce, Jennings, etc were all drafted 10 or 11.  Plus you have Collison, who would in hindsight very easily be a top 10 pick in this years' draft.  This would minimize the risk, but still leave the door open to pick up a potential star or two.

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Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.

by wallywagon11 on Jun 7, 2010 6:10 PM PDT reply actions  

I think we could just buy the 11th pick from N.O.

They will be in the luxury tax next season & will be looking to cut salary. I don’t even think they would want the #5 pick. Collison & the #11 combined will cost them less. I think.

I love beating dead horses.

by allbenji's on Jun 7, 2010 6:30 PM PDT reply actions  

I totally agree, they just need cap relief for the 11th pick

They’re already in Lux Tax territory and signing the #11 pick will just put them deeper in the hole. I would offer to take Peja and either Collison or Thorton and the 11th pick for a protected future 2nd rounder.

Peja and either one of Collison or Thornton saves them $15M to $15.5M. The 11th pick saves them $3.5M because they are already of the lux tax so the salary is doubled and they’re another $2M over the tax already so. $15M + $3.5M +$2M means we save them $20.5M which puts them under the Salary Cap. No a bad deal for a late lottery pick and a rookie contract.

Peja will cost $14M for one year, but if you average it over the 3 yrs remaining on Collison’s rookie contract and the 4 years of the rookie contract of the 11th pick.it averages out to about $2M extra a year per player. and, that’s assuming we cant dump Peja as an expiring at the trade deadline.

We could also offer to take Songala of their hands for his $4.8M plus the 11th pick, but any of the other talent would be out of the question.

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by HighTops on Jun 8, 2010 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'd be super happy if something like this would happen

but i think a more realistic would be them not giving up collison or thornton. their fan base would not be too happy about that.

Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!

by Shizzo on Jun 8, 2010 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think your right, that's why I threw in the Songala deal

it gets them out of the lux tax without giving up any roster talent. I guess it depends on how badly they need to save money, and how many offers they get for their garbage.

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by HighTops on Jun 8, 2010 3:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind seeing Darius back in a Kings uniform

Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.

by sac_faithful on Jun 8, 2010 5:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was dissapointed when we didnt retain him

Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.

by sac_faithful on Jun 8, 2010 5:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I liked Darius when he was here the way I like Jon Brockman

but at $4.8 mil he offers almost nothing in terms of basketball skills. Assuming he’s an expiring (didn’t look it up) then he only costs $1.8 more than the cost of $3 mil to buy a first round pick. He should be tradeable at the deadline or used as trade filler. You could then use the 11th and 5th pick to move down a few spots in the draft.

Regardless of whether this actual trade would make sense, this is what having cap space allows a team to do and what I’m hoping the team makes use of this capability going forward.

"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson

by Bluejohn on Jun 8, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree, feasibility is a problem

Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.

by sac_faithful on Jun 9, 2010 5:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

20 mil is a lot to pay for Collison and a #11 draft pick

Don’t get me wrong, I would love it, but I can’t see the Maloofs paying a superstar’s salary for Collison and the #11.

If we could unload Peja to someone who needed cap relief, it would be great, but I just can’t see the Maloofs going for it.

by R-Man on Jun 8, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

You could be right, and that's why I added the Songala deal.

And, NO might not want to give up Collison, but getting under the cap might have some strong pull on a franchise in financial trouble. As far as the Maloofs go, if their main concern is the new CBA, his is a better deal than picking up Brand to get the #2 pick.

Collison could be our starting PG and Thornton could be our starting SG. So, depending whether we get a Big or Johnson at #5, the #11 pick could be the final piece. If we get Cousins or Favors, then we might get Henry or Bradley at 11. If we get Johnson at 11 we could end up with Patterson or Whiteside to shore up our frontline. Either way we add depth to our backcourt and our frontcourt. And yes, the cost would be $14M if we cant dump Peja’s contract at the trade deadline, but it’s only one year and for the next 3 to 4 years we’ll have 3 rookies playing major minutes for rookie scale.

We are collecting assets from which we can rebuild the team and trade for future pieces to finish the rebuild. Spending money today might be the cheapest way.

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by HighTops on Jun 8, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Forgot to add, that the cost isn't $20M, it would only be the $14M owed Peja

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by HighTops on Jun 8, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

can we just take Peja back for nothing

i mean who can replace this

Still waiting for the Euler of basketball to play for the Kings

by morecasspi on Jun 8, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Beno?

"How you expect to run with the wolves come night, when you spend all day sparring with the puppies?"
-Omar

by kangsfan on Jun 9, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wht would they trade Collison and a pick

for the 5 when Collison is probably better than the 5?

There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.

by ElRonToro on Jun 7, 2010 6:31 PM PDT reply actions  

This

"I have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot...and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why... I succeed." Michael Jordan.

by Surprise Team on Jun 7, 2010 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I'd say we would have to do th #5 for Collison

straight up. Possibly they would do that. I would also throw in Donte or another young prospect if need be. I really like Collison and think he and Tyreke would be a sick back court.

by Travis Mays Hayes on Jun 7, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I doubt they would give up Collison easily

right now he is a great backup at pg and can fill in easily if Paul gets injured. He is probably the best value on the team for what he costs.

by Hilton on Jun 7, 2010 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Funny how things change

Last year everyone thought Collison wouldn’t be anything but a career back-up & a late 1st round pick at best. Now he’s more valuable than a #5 pick in a pretty deep draft?

I love beating dead horses.

by allbenji's on Jun 7, 2010 8:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't think he is

his defense is forgettable at best

Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!

by Shizzo on Jun 7, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I loved Collison late in the 1st round/early 2nd

and mentioned him to GP I believe

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by lietothegirls on Jun 8, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

just change the title of this post

to unRealistic Trade Scenarios involving the #5 pick?

and you are set!

"I have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot...and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why... I succeed." Michael Jordan.

by Surprise Team on Jun 7, 2010 6:39 PM PDT reply actions  

i'd hope Kings do this

trade:
Nets get: #16 pick & future lottery protected 1st rounder(Kings)
Wolves get: Spencer Hawes, #5 pick & #33 pick
Kings get: Humphries, Dooling, Jianlian, #3 pick & #4 pick

Nets shed salary to offer 2 max contracts and pick up 2 mid-first rounders
Wolves get Hawes
Kings do add salary this next season but land the #3 pick and swap picks with the Wolves; allowing them to draft, most likely, Johnson along with either Cousins or Favors

I’d prefer Kings draft Cousins and Johnson. And trade Noc for exp contracts or a 2nd rounder

PG: Reke/Beno/Undrafted Rookie or FA
SG: Garcia/Greene
SF: Johnson/Casspi
PF: Landry/Jianlian/Brockman
C: Cousins/JT

I’m definelty doing this in NBA Live 11

by jumpboi on Jun 7, 2010 7:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Astounding

You present a completely ridiculous scenario that nets us the #3 & #4 pick, plus a couple of other pretty solid players, and we still end up with Francisco Garcia as a starter?

I thought you were really dreaming big until I saw that.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Jun 7, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sims, you are so myopic

With the Chinese, Jewish and Latin American fan bases firmly backing the Kings, Tyreke will be an all star starter next year!

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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 7, 2010 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

How dare you leave out the Slovenians

How dare you indeed. They’re probably rioting in Ljubljana as we speak.

by nbrans on Jun 7, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I don't want to know how you came up with Ljubljana.

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by pookeyguru on Jun 8, 2010 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Everybody knows about Ljubljana.

Where have you been?

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by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 8, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

In a deep dark hole of my choosing.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 8, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sometimes ignorance is bliss madam. :)

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 8, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't know you could bend over that far.

"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." - Cardinal Richelieu

by hozr on Jun 10, 2010 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Bravo!

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-John Wooden

by Slam_Dunk on Jun 10, 2010 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now you do.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2010 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now you're just trying to make me jealous

Thinking of the Richard Pryor that goes something like “If I could bend over that far I’d never leave the house!”

"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." - Cardinal Richelieu

by hozr on Jun 11, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's best not to think of Pryor's genius.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 11, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

my favorite part

is the Nets trade their pick for a “protected” Kings first rounder

Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.

by wallywagon11 on Jun 7, 2010 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, come on.

The LOVE having the worst team in the league.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 8, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

amar'e was taken with the 9th pick, just thought id clarify that

but that to me doesnt sound like too good of a deal because there is too much of a risk to take, plus the fact that tyreke plays the point

Amare+Lopez+Clark=Frontcourt 2011

by Bkj on Jun 7, 2010 7:42 PM PDT reply actions  

I would love to trade for

JR Smith in Denver if he was available.
He has tons of energy, athleticism, and can play very good off the bench.

I would not give them the #5…But I would explore what they would want if we could.

A player like that would be nice.

by oakland9 on Jun 7, 2010 10:57 PM PDT reply actions  

George Hill

On draft day, if Cousins drops to 5, we offer him and the 33rd for Hill, and the 20 pick. The sense this makes for the Spurs is this. They want a big that can help prolong Duncan’s career (ESPN insider) and they have two starters at PG. They end up with Cousins and can take a backup PG with the 33rd (they are damn good at picking in the 2nd rd). We end up with George Hill who is becoming a stud PG, we avoid risking our pick on Cousins, Wes, or Aminu. We also end up with the 20th pick which would allow us to take a big such as Alabi, Whiteside, Seraphin, Sanders…

Maybe its a crazy idea, but I think it makes us much stronger in the long run to get Hill and solidify the PG position for the next 7-10 years

If the Lakers were on channel 5 and there were a bunch of frogs making love on channel 6, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy!

by King7420 on Jun 8, 2010 2:24 AM PDT reply actions  

No. And I like Hill.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 8, 2010 2:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know you like Aminu

But for what other reason

If the Lakers were on channel 5 and there were a bunch of frogs making love on channel 6, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy!

by King7420 on Jun 8, 2010 2:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's partly Aminu. But partly it's because Hill isn't a major star and he really doesn't make the Kings better while the Kings still have Beno/Cisco around.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 8, 2010 2:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can agree on the Beno/Cisco part

But I cant see the infatuation with Aminu.

If the Lakers were on channel 5 and there were a bunch of frogs making love on channel 6, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy!

by King7420 on Jun 8, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not infatuated.

I just think the mix of Aminu/Donte/Omri is a very good one and can be beneficial to the Kings.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 8, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

That would be a nice rotation.

by oakland9 on Jun 8, 2010 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why give up the #5 for a struggling guard in Hill?

Ya he had flashes in the playoffs, but that’s what got Ariza his contract and look at how well he continues to play. Now, Ariza and Hill aren’t the same player nor necessarily have the same trajectory, but the point is don’t over pay for potential. And don’t sell short our current draft position either.

Just let Petrie do his thing and don’t fret over what you think is good/bad talent at the 5. Try to envision those old Maxwell commercials, put on a scarf and some sunglasses, sit in the club chair and wait to be blown away.

Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.

by sac_faithful on Jun 8, 2010 5:50 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Be wary of any player who succeeeds in that Spurs system

its pretty specific

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Jun 8, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hill > Ariza

Hill and Ariza are very different, and the situations have nothing in common. First off, Ariza was a FA, and Hill is not. Ariza has played 6 total seasons, Hill has played 2. There is no payment on potential, it would be a lot like the Landry trade. I can see what your saying about just wait, and I will (only because I have too).

If the Lakers were on channel 5 and there were a bunch of frogs making love on channel 6, I'd watch the frogs even if they were coming in fuzzy!

by King7420 on Jun 8, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

maybe

kings give spencer hawes and #33 to swap their #5 with wolves’ #4 and their #23 pick?

by jumpboi on Jun 8, 2010 9:07 PM PDT reply actions  

You're joking right?

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 8, 2010 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

of course

after this, kings trade the #23 pick and next years 1st to the nets for the #3 pick, humphries, jianlian and dooling.

by jumpboi on Jun 8, 2010 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he Nets are looking to dump salary to pickup 2 max fa's Yi and Humphries should be enough

and Dooling has a none guaranteed contact which is worth only $500K if his released. and the Twolf’s already have 3 first rounders so what are they going to do with another one So, your big deal is to trade Hawes to Minny to swap top picks. I’d rather keep Spencer and take what’s left at #5, unless you have some insight that says you know who Minny is picking and futher insight as to which player is going to have a great career.

Here’s my deal, eliminate Minny completely, and simply trade NJ for the #3 pick.

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by HighTops on Jun 8, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

im saying trade hawes for the #16/23 and swap the #5 for the #4. then give the #16/23 for the #3, jinalian and dooling/humphries.

the reason i would push to swap picks wit minny is cus, wit #3 we can draft cousins but idk if we can get Johnson at 5. i really think wolves will either draft Johnson for themselves or trade him to GS. i mean dont get me wrong Favors has potential but we already go our big guy in Cousins

by jumpboi on Jun 8, 2010 11:20 PM PDT reply actions  

A little too complicated for me, and probably GP

First Cousins could go as early as #2. Assuming he’s available at #3 and Minny wants him at number 4 than they probably don’t need Hawes. I’m pretty sure no one expects NJ to pick Cousins since they already have Lopez. So, if Minny wants Cousins and the 76’ers don’t take Cousins at #2, then Minny can be pretty sure he’ll be available to him at #4, so they’re not going to trade down.

Now, if Minny doesn’t want Cousins, why would they want Hawes? And if they want Johnson they’re unlikely to trade down and take the chance that we pass on Cousins and take Johnson, leaving them with Hawes and Cousins or another 2nd tier player instead of Johnson.

Finally, the main prize of your plan is that NJ trades off the #3 pick for cap space and a mid and late draft pick and not even lottery picks. The problem is they need cap space and the two picks eat up some of the cap space they gained by us picking up 3 of their players. And, the final problem with the plan is that NJ may not be able to sign 2 max lottery picks but they can’t talk to the free agents until after the draft. and therefore may decide that it’s safer to keep their pick and go for 1 fa.

The only thing your plan insures is that we give Hawes away for 2 draft picks assuming Minny does the deal, That sounds like a better deal for Minny than for us.
Way too uncertain and complicated and not something GP ever does.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
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by HighTops on Jun 9, 2010 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

yes i agree with u now

Kings just trading for the Nets’ #3 is for the best. Maybe next year’s unprotected 1st and Hawes for #3, Jianlian, Humphries.

Kings then draft Johnson with the #3
Then they trade #5 & Garcia to Hornets for Collison, #11 & MoPete. I’d rather keep Noc cus his contract ends i think 2 years before Garcia’s

by jumpboi on Jun 9, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

or instead of the new orleans trade

IF Cousins is available at #5, trade #5, #33 and Garcia to the Pistons for #7(Monroe) and Prince. This of course is after Kings draft Johnson at #3. Noc will sit, as he will be the Argentinian Kenny Thomas

PG: Evans/Beno/Undrafted Rookie
SG: Johnson/Greene
SF: Prince/Casspi
PF: Landry/Brockman/FA
C: Thompson/Monroe

by jumpboi on Jun 9, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

or instead of the detroit trade

after acquiring the #3 pick from the nets and drafting johnson, trade the #5, #33 and Noc to the jazz for #9(Monroe) and millsap

I like this trade more, better lineup

PG: Evans/Beno/Undrafted Rookie
SG: Johnson/Garcia
SF: Greene/Casspi
PF: Millsap/Landry(6th man OTY)/Brockman
C: Thompson/Monroe

by jumpboi on Jun 9, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

There is a lot of insanity going on here.

Here’s my deal:
Kings take someone at #5 and #33. Bamn!

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by lodisacfan on Jun 9, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

also,

If we somehow miraculously get to the #3 pick we should take Favors. Pookey is never wrong!!

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by lodisacfan on Jun 9, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Blog Posters

This is why all of you are blog posters and GMs are GMs….I have not read one trade which any GM who cares about their job would make outside of Petrie….. Lets try and remember there are two sides to every deal.

by KingsFanNoMatterWhat on Jun 9, 2010 4:42 PM PDT reply actions  

we flip a two headed coin around here

the “fan coin”. Unfortunately, it often comes up “edges”.

by betweentheeyes on Jun 9, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL.

Obviously not his first day, since his grammar is atrocious. He probably went to school here.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 10, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

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