Hedo Turkoglu Wants to Come Back to the Kings
Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports reports that Brother Hedo is privately expressing to league friends a desire to return to Sac Town. Let the offseason begin!
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Only if you bring that silly Bosh fellow with you Brother Hedo.
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Correct me if I'm wrong..
I can’t seem to think of any instance of any NBA player desiring to play for the Kings… publicly… as a free agent or member of another team.
wasn't he only looking here though
because his wife wanted to be an actress and he wanted to be close to LA?
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 9, 2010 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
It had more to do with his family living there I think than anything else.
He was also considering Phoenix, and that was his #1 choice.
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But he signed.
He didn’t have to sign here, but he did.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 10, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Also
Apologies to RickyFlip who also posted this, but CrownedPotential had it first.
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Would anyone be on the bandwagon for a possible
Hedo, Derozan for Noc, Cisco?
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I must say that I'd have to at least think about the possibility.
Here’s the link to the trade in question.
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The Raptors also have the 13th pick
Possible to pick up a guy like Xavier Henry/Whiteside/Udoh etc.
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This really got you thinking.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
Because I could see Petrie wanting Hedo back
His name and the Kings have been mentioned often.
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It is an inteesting idea to explore further.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
I likey likey
Derozan/13th pick and Hedo for Noc and Cisco. Although I’d prefer we get Derozan, Hedo, AND the 13th pick but I don’t think Colangelo would go for that.
I’m just afraid that Petrie might pull the trigger on a bad heads-up swap.
Certainly fits the ballhandler who can shoot profile.
Derozan or a pick initially seemed asking for too much, but then the length of Hedo’s deal is so ugly it’s a wash.
Note the lack of a hyphen.
Adopted father of Evan Crawford, leadoff hitter of your 2014 San Francisco Giants.
Plus when you factor in his age as well
But Vlade was 30 when he came to Sacramento and still managed to have some very good years here.
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I do it
Sure his contract is long, but Derozan is a real talent and I love Hedo’s game. Noc and Cisco would have to go if it was me.
Hedo is a perfect countpoint to Tyreke and I guess I still like the old Kings style of a passing game. If you have willing and able passers all around the court then you can’t go too far wrong.
The real question is whether or not the Kings are going to completely morph and change or just get stronger defensively while maintaining their all players passing game.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Pretty big difference between a big and a wing though, in terms of aging
And Hedo isn’t exactly known for his conditioning regimen. Just about the only way I see Hedo aging gracefully is if he bulks up to the extent that he could play as a power forward. He’s got the height, and if he could transition into a Sam Perkins-type power forward bombing threes and not giving too much on defense I could see him extending his career a few years.
I don't think age will matter too much
with Turk. His game isn’t dependent on athletisim, or speed. Those are the only 2 things that age take away. at least from a basketball standpoint.
Still, I don’t touch that contract.
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
Age matters ESPECIALLY because his game isn't dependnet on athleticism
It’s not like he can lose a step and still be fairly athletic for his position, like Vince Carter. You saw what happened this past season – Hedo was wildly ineffective. Unless he moves to the PF spot he’s going to be reduced to a jump shooter who can’t guard anyone, and there’s not really much use for that.
I like Hedo
But not at that price…
by DirtyDribblers on Jun 8, 2010 7:29 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't really want Hedo back that badly
On the other hand, you’re trading two backups with bad deals for a starter with a bad deal. Worth thinking about, although far down on my list of things to do.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
It's been a long time Hedo..
It’s been a long time Hedo, many moons have passed. Muscle has turned to Fat. While he had great years here, I don’t think he takes the game serious enough (like Vlade did), he is not in great shape, and he isn’t the veteran presence that helps teams. He drinks too much.
Noc vs Hedo contracts
Noc and Hedo have similar priced contracts, but Hedo’s is a five year contract. I don’t know why the heck Petrie would do this.
Our pizza is better than Toronto's.
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Doug Christie thinks that is Noble
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
by Shadrack on Jun 8, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I had the same thought
It’s not like any of his buddies are still here. Plus, didn’t his wife supposedly nix the Portland deal because she wanted to be in a bigger city? Maybe the Clippers will take him, they have money. I dunno, I love me some Hedo, but it seems risky to bring him here if he’s going to just be disgruntled again after a year or two (or less) with a bunch of money still owed to him and us needing to start extending our own youngins.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 8, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought she wanted to be in a city with a Turkish (or Middle Eastern) population segment
Toronto has that, Portland didn’t. As I recall the Kings games in Toronto were highly attended due to the presence of Hedo, Peja, and Vlade.
"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." - Cardinal Richelieu
Could be any number of reasons...
Thick, creamy shakes
Pudding
NaPG
Pookey
Voison son son son…
by BPaoliano on Jun 8, 2010 8:19 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Don't do me like that rb
I don’t hate you, why would you hate me?
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If he comes back to the Kings
it will be on one condition: Either he gives us the air shield combination to Druidia, or we GIVE HIM BACK HIS OLD NOSE!
by Gabraham on Jun 8, 2010 8:20 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Kings Sign Hidyiat Turko Lou
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
By the way, remember when everyone thought Bryan Colangelo was a super genius and one of the best GMs in the league?
Those were thee days
remember when the Raptors
selected Andrei Bargani… The Next Dirk KnowWitkey….
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
I wonder if the Turkish Michael Jordan's wife...
realizes that its a longer trip from Sac to Turkey than it is from Toronto?
Look to the future - not the past
It would have to be some crazy good deal which included that 13th pick and DeRozen as well as shedding a contract for me to be (reluctantly) on board.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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I'd probably do Noc and Cisco for Hedo, Banks and the 13.
The player available at 13 could become very good as well.
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You read my mind... I think Toronto would at least want the #33
I don’t know…
I’m on the fence right now, if this were EVEN the deal.
I see this going down for one reason: Petrie wants Hedo back
I can understand wanting to shed Hedo’s salary, but to take on two other bad contracts in return? However, this could be another post-draft trade where Petrie says “we’ll take on Hedo for whoever you picked at 13 and DeRozan”
Maybe we then flip Hedo to Orlando for Gortat and Redick with a “Enjoy the 2011 Finals” card?
#vfettkefordraft
Redick might be a great backcourt partner for Reke.
Good ballhandler and shooter, finally coming into his own as well.
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I like Redick's game - always have
But I still think he’s a 15-20 minute guy, not a starter.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Jun 8, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd prefer him off the bench
I like Beno and Tyreke starting together. Redick could bring a nice little punch off the bench
#vfettkefordraft
If you like Redick
consider Routens in the 2nd round
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jun 8, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I've been saying Rautins should be in play at #33
Based on what I’ve read from the Combine, etc., and the Wes Johnson mix video. Again, I don’t watch college ball, so as always my opinions on these things mean nothing.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 8, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
He's was a clutch shooter in college
very good 3 ball, pretty tough, pretty feisty (too feisty for some – there was some trouble)
lots of energy.
If his game translates in to the NBA he could be a lot like Redick with a little Matt Barnes attitude
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 8, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Sounds good to me
At #33 we’re not likely to get anything close to a “complete player” anyways, and personally I’d rather take a flier on a guard/wing who at least can score the ball than on a big who was a good rebounder or shotblocker in college but maybe they’re undersized for the NBA or are completely unable to score.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 8, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Gortat sucks...........
He got his deal and put up 3ppg 4rpg & 0.9bpg. Louis Amundson did what he did, with a lot more energy. If Gortat was the standard for player salaries, Hawes would be makin Lebron type money. I like Reddick, but not if we have to take back Gortat.
KINGS WILL BE 10-11 CHAMPIONS
Gortat also has to play behind Dwight Howard.
So he doesn’t exactly get a lot of playing time.
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Amundson plays behind STAT...........
doesn’t make 900,000K, and is more productive than Gortat.
KINGS WILL BE 10-11 CHAMPIONS
Gortat would start for Phoenix.
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Over who?
Orlando takes so many 3’s that any hint of defense is way over-blown. As the only other shot-blocking threat on that team. He became over-valued, and way overrated.
………& also, way over-paid.
KINGS WILL BE 10-11 CHAMPIONS
Over Robin Lopez.
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I don't know about that
R Lopez really started showing some game late in the season
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 8, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Lopez started showing some late this season
but Gortat was showing some all season.. His stats aren’t really there but when he’s in the game the Magic don’t miss much of a beat, especially in the playoffs (outside of Boston series).
"Greg Ostertag is one of the finest centers in the history of Western Civilization." - Bill Walton
Deep down..............
Even u know that Gortat sucks, he played the Magic.
KINGS WILL BE 10-11 CHAMPIONS
By the way
Raptors HQ (The SBN Blog for Toronto B-Ball) had these trade ideas:
A couple ideas though that might work for both teams:
1) The Raps take back Andres Nocioni’s unruly deal and a player like Donte Green (who Toronto worked out before the 2008 draft incidentally) as a throw in to make the salaries work, but swap picks in this year’s draft. Toronto would get the fifth pick, something it sounds like they’re trying to do as is, and Sacramento would still get a solid prospect at 13.
2) The Raps still take Nocioni, but if Sacto doesn’t want to swap picks, maybe they’d be willing to move Jason Thompson, who hasn’t exactly solidified himself as the Kings’ starting 4 or 5.
Do not go over there and attack them for it (unless you can argue reasonably), as fans do have the tendency to overrate their own players, but I do think both of those deals would be absolutely atrocious for the Kings. My response to this:
On your #1 deal, the Kings take on an aging player in Turkoglu for 4 more years, while Nocioni’s last year is a team option, is for less years, and for less money. The Kings also give up a young guy with a lot of potential, and then to top it all off they swap picks from 5th to 13th? How are the Kings NOT getting screwed here? The Raptors really have no leverage at all in this business. Hedo has stated he wants out of Toronto and he has a horrible contract nobody wants.
On the 2nd deal, the Kings still lose out on a prospect with a lot of potential. He wasn’t starting because Carl Landry is better. JT by himself had a higher PER and better statistics than Turkoglu did this year, fills a need for the Kings, and is only entering his 3rd year.
If anything, the Raptors are going to have to be the ones who give up talent (in all likelihood Derozan or the #13 pick) in order to get rid of Hedo’s contract. Like I said, no real leverage for the Raps here.
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by Aykis16 on Jun 8, 2010 9:01 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Apparently they don't understand how trades in the NBA work
Hedo doesn’t want to be in Toronto. Toronto no longer wants Hedo. Other teams know this. The only way they dump him is by getting screwed in a deal somehow.
#vfettkefordraft
I particularly like the suggestion
that Hedo agree to not pick up his player option on the last year. Eh, it’s only $12 million, no biggie.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
My favorite part is that they think Noc has a worse deal than Hedo's
So the Kings are the ones who should to sweeten the pot. Solution: throw in Donte and oh yeah why don’t we swap picks while we’re at it.
BRILLIANT!
by nbrans on Jun 8, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously
Hedo’s stats this year: 74 games, 30.7 minutes, 11.3 Points, .409 FG%, .374 3P%, 4.6 rebounds, 4.1 assists, 1.7 turnovers, 3.0 fouls.
Noc’s stats this year: 75 games, 19.7 minutes, 8.5 points, .399 FG%, .386 3P%, 3.0 rebounds, 1.0 assists, .9 turnovers, 2.1 fouls.
More importantly: Noc with only 2 years left and a team option that is unlikely to be picked up. Those two years are worth 13.5 million. Meanwhile, Hedo has 3 years left with an additional year as a player option that he’s almost guaranteed to exercise. Those 4 years are worth 43.8 million. Not to mention that while Noc’s contract declines in value, Hedo’s rises.
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There's no way I do this deal if Donte is included
Long term I like Donte more then I like Hedo.
They Haven't ...
… worked out the 3 way yet to get LeBron.
Im pretty sure he used to on certain occasions.
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What about:
Post draft, we send Noc to Milwaukee for Redd and the #15. Then we send Redd to Toronto for Hedo, Gadzuric, and the 13
Genius!
#vfettkefordraft
huh?
from the article: “The Kings seem inclined to get better in the short term with some veteran additions, and they’d have to evaluate how much more Turkoglu could give them over the next two or three seasons.”
Where did Adrian Wojnarowski get this idea? If I remember correctly, Westphal and Petrie have been talking about getting better through the draft, instead of making short-term improvements that aren’t sustainable, i.e., good but not great free-agents.
I do love Hedo’s game, though.
put me in, Coach
Why/Why Not
Why not:
*He’s expensive
*He’s 31
*He basically gave up on his current team
*He takes valuable playing time from Omri and Donte
Why you make the trade:
*Hedo’s a great passer. He’ll help our offense keep from getting stagnant and can help Tyreke out with some of the playmaking
*His age may not be a huge issue due to his style of play
*With him comes either a pick or DeMar DeRozan. I have trouble saying no to youngsters, kind like Michael Jackson… too soon?
My personal opinion is this: We’d basically be extending Noc’s contract but getting a better player. However, his age and his newfound laziness bother me. If I’m Petrie I take the deal if its lopsided in our favor. If Toronto offers Hedo, DeRozan, and the 13th pick, or a future first rounder, I’m in. If not, I don’t think its worth it.
#vfettkefordraft
by vfettke on Jun 8, 2010 9:34 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
His age may not be a huge issue due to this style of play?
They guy can’t rebound, is slows, can’t play defense, and at times takes really questionable shots. Just because his one asset (passing) isn’t necessarily tied to age doesn’t mean age won’t matter.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
Umm...
He’s always been a somewhat slow crappy defender. His value is his passing and shooting, period.
#vfettkefordraft
and he is diving into really slow and really crappy defender land
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
Hedo, Derozen, & #12 for Noce & Cisco is not asking too much
Hedo’s contract is just as bad as Elton Brand’s.
Nocioni can contribute similar to Hedo stats-wise & add some much needed toughness. Also his contract expires in 2 seasons unlike Hedo’s 4 more seasons.
Garcia is better than Derozan at this point & will contribute more while again adding some much needed toughness. His contract is long but not anywhere close to as bad as Hedo’s. He is also only 27 or 28 & should have a career year next season.
Hedo has forced them into a bad spot & we might be the only team willing to take him. Just like the Webber deal it won’t be good for either sides but necessary.
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Jun 8, 2010 9:38 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
My bad
It will be good for both sides but not great.
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Jun 8, 2010 9:41 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
This whole Hedo to Sac idea is nonsense
I can understand if he wants to come back but no way this is happening.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
I like the idea of
…getting rid of Noc and Cisco and swapping the 33 for 13. Obtaining Hedo, DeRozan would be a plus for the Kings. Hedo possesses a game that is a great fit for the Kings as they now stand. He could become, dare I say it, the Robert Horry for us. A guy with length and acceptable defense, who hits the bomb when you need it. DeMar is the athletic presence the team seeks for the future and has nothing but positive upside. Take a big at #5 (Cousins/Monroe), and then get a solid two at #13.
There will be some good players available at #13
Thats why I don’t think Torobto does this. Also, I don’t know if GP moves Cisco (at least this summer), he’s a valuable leader and a good player if he can get/stay healthy.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 8, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Agree
Good points about Cisco’s leadership function. But this is also a positive for Toronto. On the other hand, just the thought of teams trying to guard DeMar and Reke, especially after Reke develops his outside shot, makes one…well…salivate?…for lack of a better expression. Two guys with exceptional scoring ability, kicking it out to Hedo or Donte? Sounds like a plan. Landry, JT, DeMarcus/Monroe, Spencer rotating off the bench with the 13th pick and Beno. Playoff team in a year or so.
Am I the only 1?..................
Does Cisco seem like he would be the perfect partner next to Reke? Good shooter, defender, & ballhandler. I always thought that the only thing holding him back, was that we already had a star 2-guard in K-mart. So now whats the problem?
Reke, Cisco, Greene, Landry, Hawes
KINGS WILL BE 10-11 CHAMPIONS
I thought last year would've been Cisco's year
Damn that physioball.
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Don't get me wrong
I like Cisco too for the same reasons. But for the 13th pick, we need to give something up. Also, I have this gnawing feeling that we might have seen the best we are going to see of Mr. Garcia. I don’t want to believe that, but it may be true. DeRozan has phenomenal upside, I think.
Last season really set him back
I have a soft spot for Cisco. His leadership, intensity, & swagger fits the new Kings very well. I would be sad to see him go but getting rid of Noce, adding DeRozan, #13, & Hedo(in that order) would be too good to pass up.
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Jun 8, 2010 10:20 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Actually for a guard Cisco is just coming into his 'prime' year or three age wise.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 8, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I always thought that too.
But it seems like the overall package is something less than a starter.
You could say Garcia is the poor man’s perfect naPG partner.
Note the lack of a hyphen.
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Derozan
Would be the 2 of the future. He is really talented, and would fit nicely next to Reke. At 13 we would have so many options we could just take BPA. Bradley anyone?
I want Derozan
I think Draft Net Compared Derozan to Kobe last year, and I would trade the #33rd pick , Garcia ,noci , for The 13th pick , hedo , Derozan in a Heart beat. I love the hedo coming to Sacramento, I really do feel Hedo will play his heart out for the Kings , it’s the Team who Drafted Him. Derozan has alot of potential. I would pull the Trigger in that deal.
Its a little confused
some are saying we’d have to swap the #5 for that #13 as part of the deal, others just toss in the #33.
If it was just the #33 – I might do it as well
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 8, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not happy
about bringing in someone who got a major contract, didn’t deliver, then becomes disgruntled and wants to leave the team…
What happens if he’s benched consistently in fourth quarters in favor of Greene or Casspi, because he can’t defend at all? He’ll be disgruntled and whisper to ‘friends’ at Yahoo Sport that he loves to return to Orlando?
I like the guy, love his BB IQ, but no thanks.
Dunking Dutchman
Maybe
We can get Hedo, but do something too get the #13 and maybe trade that and our 1st to the sixers or something like that?
Maybe something like this
Evans or Beno
Turner or Evans (if they pick turner)
Hedo/Casspi/Greene
Landry/Favors (if we pick him)
Hawes/JT
I am assuming we trade noc and cisco and don’t get derozan.
Won’t happen most likely but it would be nice.
How about this trade:
We give:
- Pick
A. Nocioni
S. Hawes
D. Greene
We get:
A.Bargnani
H. Turkoglu
D. Derozan
Huh?
Is that you Brian Colangelo?
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