Nocioni says he won't return to the Kings
The article is in Spanish, but what he basically says is that he has informed the FO he doesn't want to return and they are looking for trade partners. If a trade doesn't happen he would take a buyout and go back to Europe.
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i tend to agree
unless we can use him as a trade chip. Quick question – if we buy him out he still counts against the cap yes?
I have the same question.
Pookey you know the answer to this right?
by Travis Mays Hayes on Jun 9, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
If we buy him out
The cap hold is for the amount of the buyout split between the 2 years. He currently has 13.5 million guaranteed for 2 years. If we bought him out for 6 million, we would have cap holds of 3 million for 2 years.
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What Aykis said.
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I'll take it!
I felt he served us better by not being on the cap and providing room so Donte and Omri can get on the court.
Screw that.
Why buy him out? Tell him to play, and if he doesn’t, he’s in breach of contract.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Don't be angry at the Kings cuz they might buy him out tyger.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Nice way to talk about someone doing the team a HUGE favor.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Seriously
Everyone’s acting like he’s an asshole when he’s really helping us move on. It’s times like this when I read my sig, inspired by the one and only Sims.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Doesn't requesting that he wants to be moved in public
Bring his value to the team down in terms of leverage with another team?
I get it if he said that to management and then they looked to deal him without letting other teams know that he wanted out.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
He has close to 0 value anyways
I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. Like I said on a comment below, that’s the bad part (making it public with the press in Spanish), but everything was pretty clear anyways. It’s no mystery he wanted out and the Kings want to accomodate him. I think that this could actually help the Kings get a lower buyout.
We’ll see what happens
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Yea I guess We ll see
If we do pair up with Toronto though, I see their side less likely to include Derozan or the 13 though now. Time will tell.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
You have to remember also though
that Toronto had the same thing happen to them with Turkoglu, and his contract is MUCH worse than Noce’s, so I don’t think this will change any trade that would have happened prior to this (with them at least)
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by prowseinthehouse on Jun 9, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea I get that
All ‘Im trying to say, Is BC in theory, should be able to offer GP less now because BC knows that GP is trying to trade Noc, because he wants out. If Noc doesn’t say it publicly, at least GP can show a little bit of his poker face.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
I see your point and agree with you.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
I think your both wildly underestimating
how smart GM’s are. Every GM in the league knows the Kings want to get rid of Noc. There is no poker face to be had.
Exactly.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I thought it was...
Poke-poke-poke poke-her-face poke-poke poke-her-face.
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raw-raw-raw-raw-raw-raw
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 10, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't poke elfboy. He's a delicacy.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
An absolutely huge favor
This would seriously make my da—nay, my offseason.
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
how is he doing us a favor? NO ONE WANTS HIM AT HIS SALARY
So he is saying that he still wants all his money, but he doesnt want to play for Sac? He needs a reality check
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
He's doing the Kings a favor by not being content to sit on his ass and collect a paycheck.
That’s why. Plenty of players do that.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Exactly
The big thing with Noc is that he wants to play, and play for something that matters (a championship, either here or in Europe). He doesn’t want to be in Sacramento because he’s not getting playing time because we’re developing the young guys, and we’re losing. I’d probably want out if I were in the same situation too.
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However...
I believe the main reason that he was not getting playing time was due to HOW he played when he did get minutes. I recall Reke getting in his face on the court due to this. To act as if he is doing us a favor because he wants out, is absurd in my opinion.
Was he a team player during his stint here?
There is a reason other than age that he was not in Petrie’s plans.
I would not want out… I would want to be a team captain. Esteemed. Respected.
well I would hope you would like being esteemed and respected while racking up DNPs
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 9, 2010 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't recall it having anything to do with demeanor
but poor play and the fact there was a bottleneck of SFs.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 9, 2010 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
And who would we rather play?
The veteran that will be gone in a couple years or the two young guys with potential?
He wasn’t playing because he sucked, he wasn;t playing because we’re heading in a different direction.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
I am confused because it almost sounds like you took this personally
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 9, 2010 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Not at all.
I was disappointed by how he played for us.
He didnt care.
I loved the guy on the Bulls.
Better Noc than Omri.
Just sayin….
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i dont understand how an overpaid player with no trade value complaining about wanting out helps the team
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
he didn't say he did. just think that he is a little out of touch with reality.
I was also mostly questioning all the people saying he is helping the kings. if he wanted to help the kings he would keep his mouth shut, be glad he was able to sign that terrible contract in the first place, show up to practice and work hard- like kenny thomas did.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
sounds like damned if you do, damned if you don't
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 9, 2010 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
how is he damned if you dont?
if he didnt want the prospect of being on a bad team and having no trade value then he should have signed a shorter deal. he took financial security over control. now he needs to act like a professional.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
damned if you don't
because if he sits there like Kenny Thomas and collect his money for 2 more years while people bitch about how much he sucks and how he is stealing money.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 9, 2010 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions
he does suck. and he is stealing money.
if he didnt want to be scrutinized for not being good at his job, then he should have been a postal worker or something.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Well this just confuses me but maybe it's just because it's getting late.
g’nite everyone
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 10, 2010 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I do see what Trojan is saying
I have mixed feelings about this – some people here are finding nobility in what Nocioni is doing, which is basically an attempt to back out of a contract that he willingly signed. And while it’s doing the Kings a favor, it’s really just Nocioni trying to get what he wants, rather than maybe reinvent himself as a veteran player who could mentor this young squad.
But Nocioni is a dichotomy to start with – he’s a guy who keeps himself in shape and plays extremely hard on the court, which might rub off on the younger guys. And then he’s a guy who is as selfish on the offensive end of the court as almost any player we’ve had here in Sacramento. And his DUI and bitching and moaning to foreign press outlets (two years in a row now) is extremely unprofessional IMO.
Ultimately though, you have to look at this as a business decision. If the Kings can make some hay on the money side by agreeing to a buyout of a guy that really isn’t going to play, it just makes sense to do it.
Pacifist ass-kisser
really just Nocioni trying to get what he wants
Am I missing something? Is there something wrong with Nocioni trying to get what he wants?
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
I don't know if there's anything "wrong" per se
I’m just a believer that if you sign a contract, you should honor it to the maximum of your ability until it’s fulfilled. Once it’s been fulfilled, do whatever you want.
Nocioni put his name on the dotted line, he should have understood the possibilities of trades, etc.
So I’m not saying Nocioni’s a villain here…but I don’t think what he’s doing is especially noble either.
Pacifist ass-kisser
If I were in a situation that I really hated and was looking
at several years ahead of the same – I would at the very least let someone know that I was unhappy. If you are not happy in a situation, you are probably not going to perform at your best.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
Cutting and running
Is not the only option if you are in an “unhappy” situation.
Pacifist ass-kisser
Sure. He can suck it up.
Are you sure you would really want him to remain with that attitude?
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
He's not playing anyways
So sure. My guess is he would indeed “suck it up” and put on a brave face until his contract expires.
Pacifist ass-kisser
Kenny Thomas also never talked about being traded or getting a buy out
and just sat there and collected his money for 4 years. I don’t think this is a big deal but I can appreciate that he’s not content in just sitting there and collecting money from the organization.
Opening his mouth, while wrong, doesn;t change anything in this equation. Not one single thing changes
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
that is my point...
kenny thomas kept working hard and didnt complain. that is my entire point.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
So you;d rather have Noce collecting his money
and just show up for practice and sit on the bench all game?
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
you are missing the point...
while kenny thomas wasn’t playing and languishing on the bench, he was still putting in 100% effort and being a professional and not complaning to the press.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Really?
You mean he didn;t complain when we signed Shareef?
And by the way, where did his shot go? He had a weird but effective jumpshot before, by the end of his tenure he couldn’t make a freaking layup.
I never hated K-9 because it wasn’t his fault we traded for him and I would’ve signed that contract to, but how does a player go from being a double-double guy to pretty much nothing on the worst team in the league.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
So he couldn;t make a layup anymore
because he turned 30
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
That is a horrible excuse.
Veterans get craftier and work with a changing skill set. Thomas just seemed to wake up one day and all the skill was gone. I blame Kenny Thomas. He wasn’t professional. He didn’t put in the time to improve his game and don’t forget that Thomas had an opt out 2 years ago and instead of going on and being an NBA player, he chose to end his career and take the Kings money. Most people understand this decision, we are talking about 17 million dollars here but don’t ever feel bad for Kenny Thomas.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
kings found other players they wanted to give minutes to.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
jason thompson, spencer hawes, anyone who was taller than he is
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Just a suggestion
Check Kenny’s stats as they were declining and then check when Spencer and JT were drafted
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
who cares. it doesnt matter. why are we arguing about kenny thomas?
whether he was declining, simply got screwed, or banged petrie’s daughter, point is that he kept coming to work and didnt keep asking to be traded.
he didnt like his situation but dealt with it because he was getting paid handsomely.
nocioni could learn a thing or two
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
First of all, you brough up Kenny Thomas
so don’t question why we’re talking about him.
This is how I see it, at least Noce is trying to not steal money. I’d rather have that than players just taking the money and staying quiet.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
so if you have bad players...
you want them to be complaining to the press about their playing time and that they want to be traded?
not keep coming to work and maybe be contributers down the road?
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
I didn't read much complaining
aside from Noce wanting to amicably part ways. He wants to go earn his money somewhere else, I appreciate that.
And as far as I know, he isn’t NOT coming to work and one way or another he’s not going to contirbute down the road.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
And I'm out too
Good back and forth. Have a good night
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
didnt he say the same stuff about wanting to be traded during the season?
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Incorrecto
When Noce cancels out of his lucrative contract to take a stab at playing for a winner than you can claim he isn’t stealing money like KT.
Until than he’s the new KT who needs a sense of humility.
He lacks humility for saying he wants to play?
Really? That’s stupid.
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Would you defend KT for those comments?
Noce is no longer good enough to crack the rotation for a 25 win team (one still waiting for someone to step up and fill the role at his position) yet he’s out telling the press that he’s told the GM to trade him, presumably to a winner, a place he could get up and play for.
Ya, the Kings would absolutely cut his ass if his contract wasn’t protected by NBA rules. He’s gonna get paid fantastic money while being worthless to his employer. Yes, he ought to assess the situation, realize how fantastically lucky he has it and stop publicly complaining.
Yes I would defend Kenny Thomas for that.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
There is a flaw to this argument-
Noce is no longer good enough to crack the rotation for a 25 win team
I don’t really want to defend Noc but he was and probably still is the best small forward on the Kings. Casspi will be a better player and Donté might develop into a better player but last year, the Kings were a better team with Noc as a starter than they were without him. I don’t blame him for wanting out and I hope he takes a little tiny buy out and goes back to Europe.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
by jjham15 on Jun 10, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
THIS
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 10, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Why did the organiztion put K9 on ice?
It seemed like he got screwed, but then again I dont know the details.
they just had other players they wanted to give minutes to
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
He stopped producing.
Thomas still had a level of competence that should have garnered some minutes but honestly, the guy couldn’t score at all and it did really stop him from trying. A 2nd round pick like John Brockman brought the same rebounding skill but Brock actually understood that the ball went through the hoop, not off it or around it, but in it.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
He was an 'energy guy' that lost his edge
there wasn’t much left after that
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 10, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Good question. I don't think there has ever been a good explanation for it.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
Come on . . . really?
Based on buttoning his lip to the media KT was content sitting on the bench and collecting a paycheck?
im not saying he was content. im saying he didnt complain.
which is what you do when you sign a long term contract. you fulfill it.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Ed or anyone else fluent in Spanish
If you could translate this, it would be much appreciated.
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Definitely good riddance, this isn't the first time he dissed The Kings
He’s just upset that he isn’t part of the future : )
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I think he's more pissed
he isn’t part of the present. After all, where are his 23 attempts per game from downtown? He needs to get his shots.
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Thanks man
If you want to throw it up in a Fan Post I’ll front page it.
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Alright, sounds good
Should take me like 15
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Or just add the full text in a comment here
That’d probably be better. And check your e-mail.
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Yeah but its google translate
I have the link in literally the next comment I posted after this. It’s not that great of a translation.
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Here is a link to Google Translated
What I’m getting from this is that he wants to go play in Europe, most likely Spain (Real Madrid). He also said he told the FO he wants a trade and that they will try to accommodate him after the draft. It also looks like he’d be amicable to a buyout.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
This
I don’t begrudge Noc for wanting out. But I detest him for making the demand public. Someone needs to teach him the concept of a win-win. If the Kings have no chance of getting anything decent in return, what incentive do they have to try to find him a good situation?
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Hedo's looking a tad better now
But still, we’d have to lose Cisco (which I would honestly not like from a basketball point of view), or Beno, and get back either Derozan or 13th pick.
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WHEE!!
Buy him out before 7/1 and get more free agent money.
BOOK IT!
Not necessarily.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm no expert at the espanol
But based on my limited abilities this reads to me more that there’s mutual interest between Nocioni and the Kings to trade him and that Toronto is a possibility, not so much that he’s made any ultimatums.
I guess I’ll wait for the official translation though (official translation = edm7)
I think Toronto is only mentioned because of the report yesterday
in which Nocioni was mentioned as a potential trade for Hedo.
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The way it reads though he brings Toronto up and says it wouldn't be a bad possibility
But then says he doesn’t want to talk about rumors
Exactly. He actually says he didn’t even know about that possibility until the journalist broght it up.
It doesn’t seem like he gave the franchise an ultimatum, but he says something that could be translated to: “I openly told the Kings that I wasn’t planning on staying. They agreed and told me they would look to trade me to a competitive team”
"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
And then at the end
They ask what it would take for him to return to Europe and I think what he says is that he’d need a good offer and then come to terms with the Kings because he has a guaranteed contract
Salary cap experts
A buyout would mean that he’d be on the cap for as much money as the buyout itself?
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
If he got a decent contract offer from Europe
And we could buy him out for like 5 million that wouldn’t be too bad. That would mean he’d need about an 8 million dollar offer from Europe to make the same amount as he would’ve here.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
We should be able to trade him to a team in Europe
I’d take Jerome Moiso and Juan Carlos Navarro for Noc.
by Travis Mays Hayes on Jun 9, 2010 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Lets trade him for Rubio
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by Aykis16 on Jun 9, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Andres Who?
Who does this jerk think he is? He’s no star, not good enough to go public with what he want’s to do next. I"ve always dislike Noc. All this guy can do is shoot .399 last season. He can go back to Arg any time.
As always
translating is not a perfect art but let me take a shot at it
“I have no problem going back to Europe”
Where is Chapu Nocioni going to play? The wings gives some clues. He already talked to the Kings and he likes the style of play and lifestyle of Europe better. And the family is asking him for it…
Two days ago, the newspaper Marca published that Chapu was close to Real Madrid and yesterday, after Hedo Turkoglu said he didn’t want to continue in Toronto, a rumor appeared that Nocioni could be involved in a trade for the Turk.
Ole reached out to Andres, and although there’s nothing concrete, the rumors are not completely false, especially the one about Spain. “There’s some interest from Real and Caja Laboral (Chapu’s former team), but there are no offers because it’s prohibited. They just asked what my situation was like and let me know of their intentions.” noted the wing before his personal workouts in (not important)
The situation for the guy from Santa Fe is like this: he has two more years left in is contract with Sac (for 13.5 mil total), where he already said he would not like to come back. “I told the Kings openly that I’m not planning on staying. They told me that they agree and that they will try to trade me to a team that’s competing, sometime by the draft that’s coming in 15 days. I just have to wait. The Toronto thing I just found out through you, it’s not a bad possibility but I don’t want to talk about rumors” said Chapu.
- But do you prefer to continue in the NBA or go back to Europe? – I have no problem going back to Europe. I wouldn’y dislike it, on the contrary.. I have 6 years in the NBA and I was really never a fan of playing there (I think he means the NBA). It’s not like Scola and Manu, who always dreamed of that. Mi goal was always Europe and the NBA thing just happened. For that, I wouldn’t mind returning (to Europe).
- What do you see that’s better in Europe that in the NBA? I like the style of play better and I’d have the competition that I missed this past season. When I was in Chicago and I was fighting for something, I was comfortable, but these past couple months were pretty rough.
- You also like the lifestyle over there? Without a doubt. I would be more comfortable.
- What does your family say? They want to go back more than me. In the NBA they don’t see me that much. When I go on the road, my wife and kids stay by themselves, they don’t have anyone. In Europe, you go on the road for two days and then come back.
- The incident you had (his DUI) would add to your desire to go back to Spain? No. That was an isolated incident that is not happening again. In the States, I’ve gone out four times and it was just bad luck that the police pulled me over that one time.
- What needs to happen so that you can go back to Europe? We need a good offer and that I can make a deal with the Kings (?). They would need to pay me a bit of money so that I can void my guaranteed contract.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
by edm7 on Jun 9, 2010 6:08 PM PDT reply actions 18 recs
Please any questions
let me know because translating is tough and I wouldn’t want people to misunderstand what’s going on.
IMO, he’s just too competitive to be in rebuilding mode and he wants out. He’s not enamored with the NBA and wouldn’t mind at all going back to Europe. Sounds to me that if he’s not traded to a contender, he’ll take the buyout and go to Europe. Interesting that he mentioned the Kings are trying to move him by the draft.
Again, any questions or clarifications, or if you don’t trust the translation, just let me know.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
by edm7 on Jun 9, 2010 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Looks good to me
And rec’d. Thanks Ed.
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Thanks, Ed
I guess I"m curious about how strongly “A los Kings les dije abiertamente que no pensaba quedarme” comes across. Is that like, “I’m definitely out” or more like “I told them I don’t think I’m staying”
That part was interesting
Because he can’t just leave so for a second I thought he meant he wasn’t staying after his contract was done. With his desire to go back to Europe or just go somewhere else, I think he just meant that he asked the FO to accomodate him because he just didn’t want to be here.
I think the real meaning lies in the middle of both of your statements. Not necessarily, “I’m out” but still strong enough to make sure the FO moves him or buys him out. Let’s just say I don’t expect him to be at training camp.
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Yeah I don't expect to see Noc in a Kings uniform again.
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I wouldn't rule it out though.
Especially if he isn’t amicable in a buyout.
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I think he will be
Especially because he’s garnered interest in Europe. I fully expect the Kings to look at trade possibilities first though.
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Yup. No hurry to worry about Noc.
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Definitely
He responds that they told him that they agree so it wasn’t like they were planning on keeping him anyways. If anything, I think this could help the Kings by getting a cheaper buyout if it comes to that. He sounds like he’d really like to go to Europe and I don’t think the money will be a big problem
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by lietothegirls on Jun 10, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The official definition
Is more than a “tad” and less than “some”.
:-)
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 10, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, me too.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 10, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd say it sounds like
“I was upfront with the Kings that I don’t plan on sticking around”.
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The incident you had (his DUI) would add to your desire to go back to Spain? No. That was an isolated incident that is not happening again. In the States, I’ve gone out four times and it was just bad luck that the police pulled me over that one time.
Maybe it was just bad judgment, not bad luck?
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I thought that was interesting to
in a bad kinda way. It was bad judgement without a doubt. Let me just say, in his defense, that back in Latin America is not unccomon to drive under the influence. Not saying it’s ok whatsoever, its just more culturally common and easer to get away with.
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When he says "gone out four times"
Do you think that mean he has gone out drunk driving four times? Or is he just saying that he hardly goes out and drinks?
by Merickel on Jun 9, 2010 11:19 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
That's what I thought
I appreciate the translation. I think that Chapu is a solid guy. He is frustrated being in a situation that is lose-lose for both him and the organization. Let’s part ways with him and let that be that. I always appreciated the effort he gave, not always his shot selection, but he did try, which is more than you can say than for a whole bunch of guys across the league. Thanks again Ed.
by Merickel on Jun 9, 2010 11:48 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
This is actually a really nice sum up for me about why I don't think it's that big a deal
He is frustrated being in a situation that is lose-lose for both him and the organization. Let’s part ways with him and let that be that.
Well put. Rec’d for clarity.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 9, 2010 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
you cant part ways with someone who is overpaid and has no trade value unless you want to take on a longer term deal. which ain't happening.
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eh
technically I didn’t mean to block quote that last sentence just the first one.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 9, 2010 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions
No problem
I’ve said this before and people could bash Noc for it, but he seems like a very proud guy. Very Argentinian of him, if I may say (I have a lot of family in Argentina so I know a bit about that). The guy just wants to win and compete. He doesn’t necessarily channel that desire in the best ways (taking bad shots, showing off when he;s sub) but he has that fire.
It’s definitely best for both sides to part ways. I don’t think he’s a bad guy at all.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
I agree with this
Although there is another option – he could embrace his role as a veteran mentor on this team and help the younger players. Ultimately, this is just Nocioni being selfish because he’s frustrated.
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Can't see that I blame him.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
I can't either
But he has another option – fulfill the contract he willingly signed, and embrace a role as a veteran presence amongst young players. Perhaps he could be a part of something special in another season or two.
Again, I’m not hating on Nocioni for doing this, but I don’t necessarily agree with those that are praising him for it.
When I put my name on a contract, I fulfill the terms of that contract to the best of my ability. Maybe I’m just an old fuddy-duddy, but it’s as simple as that IMO.
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That is honorable for you to fulfill the terms of your contract even if you are miserable doing so.
Let’s put ourselves in Petrie’s shoes – I know we can’t – but hypothetically. If you were the GM, wouldn’t you want to know if one of your players was miserable in his situation? Or, would you rather have your player sulk about it in private?
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
What are we talking about here?
I think you’re arguing with me just to argue at this point. Here’s my viewpoint on the whole thing:
1) Nocioni has the option to honor his contract – he just needs to realize he is a limited player at this point in his career but can still contribute in other ways for the team that is paying him millions of dollars per year.
2) If he doesn’t want to honor his contract and demands a buyout, that doesn’t make him a swell guy.
3) Buying out Andres Nocioni is probably a positive for the franchise at this time.
I think all of these things are equally true. But if you are waiting for me to say good things about Andres after he’s moaned to the foreign press two years in a row about this franchise, you’re going to turn awfully blue.
Or, would you rather have your player sulk about it in private?
I’m guessing Petrie isn’t overly concerned about that, considering his lack of support for Kevin Martin and Spencer Hawes last season. And this is big boy sports. Man up and do your job. And save the drama for your mama (isn’t that what the kids say these days??)
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Yeah, I agree with otis
While I don’t hate the guy, I think what Noc says he wants (winning) is seriously at odds with how he has been conducting himself as a teammate and off the court. If he cared about the team he would do what it took to be a good teammate and could be a veteran leadership presence and could actually help the team win some games. Instead everything he has done on and off the court, whether it’s continuing to chuck horrible shots, playing hit or miss defense, and then whining about the situation off the court and going public with his discontent at seemingly every opportunity. It’s all about Noc. Noc Noc Noc.
He’s by no means the first basketball player to be selfish, but I also don’t think he deserves any defending from people who sympathize with him because he’s in a bad situation. Yeah. He’s in a bad situation. Guess what: at least 50% of the players in the league are in a bad situation and most of them deal with it quietly and professionally and go about their business.
I don’t think anyone should go over the top with hatred, but I don’t think people should be rising to his defense either.
You can refer to my response to Otis.
If he cared about the team he would do what it took to be a good teammate and could be a veteran leadership presence and could actually help the team win some games.
At this point, I don’t think Noc cares one bit about the Kings. He did at one point, but I think his feelings of being a good teammate and all that are no longer a driving force to him. You cannot force someone to love you. You cannot force Noc to love the Kings. He is saying he wants out. The question I pose to you – Do you really want a guy on your team who hates being there? Do you really want him suiting up in the locker room, with all the other guys knowing that he doesn’t want to be there?
I don’t know about you, but I would much rather find a solution to the problem. A team is just that, a team. It is going to work a lot better, if the guys are all working together for the same goal.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
Complaining to the press isn’t helping. It’s not helping him get off the roster sooner, it is a distraction and not a solution.
Oh, I agree about that. I think he should have kept his mouth shut to the press.
You won’t have any argument from me on that one. It is a distraction and I think disrespectful.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
No one can force anyone to do anything
I’m not saying we should handcuff Noc to Slamson until he loves us.
However, I expect that someone will behave professionally, whether they mow lawns, run a company, or dribble a basketball (or just shoot unconscionably as the case may be).
If they don’t act professionally: I’m not going to start defending them. Especially not when he’s not helping the front office help him. He’s just being stupid.
I agree with the professional part insofar as he should have just kept this with Petrie.
Maybe he did make his feelings known some time ago and felt that management was dragging its heels. I don’t know.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
Actually Otis, I am not arguing with you just to argue with you.
I respect your point-of-view, but I think we are looking at this from two entirely different view points.
In NBA basketball, players sign contracts to play with different teams. Players frequently don’t get to choose for whom they play. They may get drafted as part of the lottery and end up playing for a losing team, like the Kings. They may get traded, without any input on their part. Its a pack your bags, your going to Timbuktu. They get paid big bucks for the inconveniences they may have to endure, but that is all part of the game. Everybody hopes for the best and for the most part I think most players make a good adaptation. If they are unhappy, they honor their contract and wait for free agency. I think this is where you are coming from and I respect that.
As I recall, when Noc first got here, he seemed to have a positive way of looking at his situation and tried to make the best of it. He felt he could contribute some added toughness and his presence was appreciated by his fans. Circumstances changed for him. Getting a DUI didn’t help his popularity with many of his fans.The team got younger and his minutes got sliced. His family became increasingly unhappy with his absence from home. At any rate, Noc is unhappy and wants out. I do not have a problem with Noc telling management he wants out. I am putting myself in his shoes. If you get to the point where you absolutely hate your job, then it is time to let someone know.
I cannot speak for Petrie’s concern about the locker room chemistry. My guess is that maintenance of a good locker room chemistry is an important facet of having highly motivated players. Petrie did trade Martin. Locker room chemistry MAY have been a factor in that decision. Plus, Martin wanted out. As for Spencer, I think that was more a matter of making an example to send a message to the other players. He supported Westphal and it gave a clear message that their coach is in charge. Anyway, this is beside the point.
I don’t think we are going to come to an agreement on this issue, because, as I said, I think we are looking at this from two completely points of view. I think you are looking at it more from the point of view of management, while I am looking at it from the point of view of the player.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
Yes I agree
We are looking at it from two different perspectives. And if this was a guy working at the corner gas station making $10 an hour…hell, go get the life you want.
But the team is contractually obligated to pay this guy for two more years and $13.5 million. This is big business, meaning management won’t (and shouldn’t) give in to an unhappy employee just so he can find peace in his life. It has to make absolute sense for the company, and they should have the power over this employee for the duration of the contract (that both parties signed).
Nocioni made 7.5 million this season for relatively little production. So I’m not so worried about his feelings or his impact on the locker room (I think that can be managed relatively easily). And if the Kings can’t deal him and can’t come to a buyout agreement – and Nocioni doesn’t report to the team? Sue his ass.
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Jun 9, 2010 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Solid translation edm7.
nbrans, I think it’s closer to “I’m definitely out”.
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This is great news.
I don’t begrudge Nocioni at all. He’s nearing the end of his career and it would be much better for him to play for a contender or in Europe.
It’s also the best thing for us. Hopefully for a trade, but even if we have to buy him out. Frees up the log jam at the 3.
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And if the buyout was for 5 or 6 million
That would be 2.5 or 3 million per year. That’s not too bad of a cap hold although it is just a cap hold and not something that can contribute to us.
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Yep
This is a win win. Noce keeps messing up by talking to the Spanish press about it, but he hasn’t trashed the org and is just making it known that he has different aspirations. I got no problem with it
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If we buy him out and he goes to Europe and doesn't sign with another NBA team,
can’t he still be used in a trade?
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No
If we buy him out, then he’s a free agent.
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it would be great
but I don’t think he’ll accept such a low buyout…I see it more likely to deal with a 10/12 million buyout, which would save us 1.5/3.5 million….which is good anyway. We free a roster space, we save some money and we get rid of “hey look I can shoot—-clang” Nocioni
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Buyout is the worst option, because you get nothing in return
and still have the amount of the buyout count against your cap for the next two years. Trade for an expiring that can fill a roster spot and be completely off the books before next summer would be better.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 9, 2010 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, having him sit in street clothes and ride out his contract is the worst option.
Woof.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 9, 2010 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
At least then...
you can trade his expiring contract for an asset. With a buyout you lose the ability to trade him and are still paying money every year. So it better be a good deal where we can save a lot of money or else just let him sit and have a potential trade chip in two years.
We tried this with Kenny Thomas
Awesome 4 years.
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Still doesn't mean
it’s not the optimal strategy. Sometimes in Blackjack you hit on 12 and bust. If the dealer is showing a facecard you still do it every time. Look, if Noc will take nearly a full buyout, then great. If not, no need to hemorrhage a potential asset.
The reality with expiring contracts is that they're only usually part of the deal
NBA teams dont’ just deal expiring contracts for quality players. What they usually expect is an expiring contract PLUS draft picks/young players in return for quality veterans.
If you believe that having an expiring contract means anything other than what it does, you believe something that isn’t true.
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But who would trade an expiring for Noc?
Nobody right?
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Jun 9, 2010 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Where's Isiah Thomas when you need him?
by nbrans on Jun 9, 2010 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
man i was so disappointed the kings couldnt dump k9 on the knicks
back when thomas was collecting undersized power forwards
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I don't know a team with a closing window that could use a scorer off the bench
Say Noc and Cisco to SA. for Richard Jefferson’s EC. Not likely, but …
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 9, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd have to think about this.
And San Antonio might actually be interested. Noc could fill a Bowen type role (and he’ll be happy being on a good team), and Cisco gives them another ball handler as well as being able to hit that corner 3. Cisco could actually be a real good get for a team like the Spurs.
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That too, or a team that could use cap releif for tax purposes.
Something like Dalembert’s 13 millions EC for Nocioni’s 13.5 million over two years + our cap space.
Spreads the pain out for Philly and ends our pain quicker.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 9, 2010 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
This is my favorite scenario
As I think Dalembert brings something we need, accomplish an extraneous goal(to remove Nocioni and his contract) and gives us a more balanced roster. Especially if we don’t land Cousins.
This would be great
Is Philly trying to get under the luxury tax threshold? I don’t see them doing it unless they are.
They might do it if Philly decides to keep the 2nd pick.
If not, you can bet the 2nd pick will include EB’s contract and luxury tax relief for the upcoming season.
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Is it next 2 or 3 years? the third year is a team option so does it counts?
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by Olberdingleberry on Jun 9, 2010 6:32 PM PDT reply actions
Can we trade him to the Celtics for their pick?
They love old guys who can’t hit an outside shot.
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I think the Celtics would need to be under the cap for this. I really don’t understand these things as well as some people here, but my understanding is that they’ll have some massive cap holds until they renounce their free agents. Assuming they intent to re-sign Ray Allen, they won’t ever get under the cap and won’t be in a position to make a trade where they take on more salary than they give up.
Celtics are over the cap so they don't have cap holds.
But you’re right the C’s couldn’t trade their draft pick for Noc straight up.
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Some Help?
Can you pay part of a contract lets say 3.0 million and trade for someone at 5 million and still be at the total cap cost of 8 million and the team taking Noc is only hit with 5?
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I guess DUI laws aren't as strict in Europe.
…Yup, he’ll have lots more fun in Europe.
I am surprised by all of the animosity and yet I am always surprised by the amount of animosity on a sports site
Nocioni is a straight shooter, no nonsense guy. If he is asked a question, he does not give a diplomatic answer. He never has. He won’t start now.
The guy disikes losing and is seeing whatever use of his career being drained by time. He plays hard and with intent. On the Kings his opportunity to contribute is minified as the team is headed in a driection that places the future developlment over current victories.
My interpretation is that Noce wants to join a club where he can play a game he loves and be a significant part of the team. He is an outsider on this team. I don’t get the impression that the money is the driving force and I don’t get the impression that he is demanding playing time from Paul Westphal. He senses it is best for him and for the Kings that he moves on. This what he wants to do.
Is he handling this poorly? Absolutely. This should all happen under the radar with him, his agent and the Kings. My guess is that a countryman reporter interviewed him and he answered truthfully and without politcal regard to the future.
If you want to bash him for that. That is your perogative. I think it is excessive and that is my perogative. And no, I have not had counsel with chapuforyou or NoceOne. Oh, and have a nice day.
by betweentheeyes on Jun 9, 2010 7:38 PM PDT reply actions 15 recs
He reminds me of when Paul Mccartney was interviewed
back in the day regarding taking LSD. He answered honestly and when the reporter tried to give him shit for it, he said that he was only answering honestly, and the only person that is to blame for making it public was the reporter for bringing it up. Mccartney said he isn’t going to lie, so if they don’t want to hear the answer, don’t ask the question.
...
by prowseinthehouse on Jun 9, 2010 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember that interview
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by section214 on Jun 9, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with everything you said. I’m sure he wasn’t trying to hurt team in any way. And it’s pretty clear he doen’t fit in with the Kings plans. He could have handle it better but come on, it’s not like it was a big secret that he wanted to leave and the Kings wanted to trade him.
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handle
is not one of Noce’s strenght, we all know that
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Well said bte.
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I agree
I am the first guy to want him traded off the team for anyone with a shorter contract. But he did not sign here and never seemed to be a cancer on the team. I have no problem with him saying what he wants. He is looking out for himself and I see nothing wrong with that.
Still waiting for the Euler of basketball to play for the Kings
With that said there still is the other side of the argument
Yes, he’s open and honest but doing so reveals he’s an out of touch ass. Seriously, he’s up in arms because he wants playing time on a contender. Reality check, he cannot manage to get playing time on loser and that’s his problem, not ours.
Sounds nice but...
Nocionni had every opportunity to be part of this group, the ‘3’ position was wide open at the start of the year, and he faltered with a bad, bad season. Worst of his career. Period. And now the year is over and Noccioni wants to blame his circumstances?
He could have provided much needed veteran leadership to a young group with a rookie PG. How was last year a bad fit? He stunk it up on the court. He couldn’t make shots, was lazy on defense, and was basically an unconscious gunner. Dude (almost) never passed.
You can spin it if you want and say he is a guy that just wants to be a winner. But when you shoot 39% and your primary skill is shooting whenever, and wherever you catch the ball, playset be damned, then you are not going to win here, there, Spain, or Timbucktoo.
I like Nocionni alright as a competitor, and he seems like a great guy on a personal level, but he was a big, big reason we lost 50+ games.
I think the Kings made every effort to move him at the trade deadline, and there were no takers. His trade value is probably lower now.
by bench_blob on Jun 9, 2010 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I should have read the comments before posting
You said it much better than I, blob.
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Nicely said BTE. Rec'd
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Jun 10, 2010 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions
My feelings exactly
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by lietothegirls on Jun 10, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
For people flipping out about his trade value
The only value he had was as an expiring contract. This really doesn’t change a whole heck of a lot. Or at least it doesn’t make things any worse regarding his contract and the salary cap. It’s not like he was going to get a ton of playing time next year and make other teams think he is an asset as a player.
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And not only that Wally
But an expiring contract only USUALLY has value in conjunction with other asset’s (like a young player ie Omri/Donte) or draft picks. Teams only trade expiring contracts for a behometh contract that other teams don’t want. A perfect example is Hedo Turkoglu in TO. Toronto would gladly take an expiring for Hedo right now and clear his cap number. But why would other teams want to do taht?
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I'd imagine the meeting with Geoff went something like this
Nocioni: Hola, senor Petrie. Trade me, por favor.
Geoff: Okay, Andres. I’ll step up my efforts to move you, because so far I’ve only tried to trade you to EVERY FUCKING TEAM IN THE LEAGUE!!!
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 9, 2010 7:53 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
exactly
it’s time to try to trade him in foreigner leagues
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Go Kings!
Or we will try and trade him in the junior leagues
So that’s two Pikachu cards and a half eaten bagel for Nocioni and my Ben 10 watch…
… best offer yet, but I was hoping to get more for my watch…
Bold Prediction: Whoever we pick 5th this year will have a better NBA season than whoever was picked 5th last year.
Someone do some research for me and tell me how much money the Noc-caliber players on those Spanish teams usually get paid.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
Some random salaries, in Euros
Victor Khryapa: 1.6 million
Juan Carlos Navarro: 2.8 million
Fran Vasquez: 1.8 million
Linas Kleiza: 2.3 million
Josh Childress: 4.5 million
Source: http://www.in-the-game.org/?page_id=1322
So basically most likely somewhere around $2-3 million. Not exactly inspiring.
Hmmm
Still could basically cut the cost of his contract for the Kings in half, especially if he’s willing to lose a bit of money in the process (accept a buyout for less than the difference between his current contract and Euro contract), which it sounds like he might be. That would be a better deal for us than trading him to another team for a similar bad contract, in my opinion.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 9, 2010 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
The tax situation is better though
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 10, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Well Linas Kleiza has a 2 year, $12.2 million contract with Olympiakos in Greece
Josh Childress signed the equivalent of a 3 year, $32.5 million NBA contract with Olympiakos as well.
Rubio has a 6 year contract, with a buyout of 1.4 million after the 2nd year, but I can’t find the total value of the contract anywhere.
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in a related note,
Surprise Team has said that he doesn’t want Andres Nocioni to return to the Kings.
"I have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot...and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why... I succeed." Michael Jordan.
Nice.
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Jun 10, 2010 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions
this really saddens me
I still like Noc as a player, and think he is still good enough to matter on a good team. He plays the right way, even though he is a chucker…I’m just upset he really had to be like this.
Ah well, I’ll get over it after a few days of crying.
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
bless the lord, halllelujah!
this creates more cap space, and it’s sooooo weird that he is the HIGHEST PAID PLAYER ON THE KINGS!
It doesnt exactly create more cap space because we would still need to find an acceptable amount to buy him out at..Sure it may create a couple million more of cap , but not his whole contract
Judgment day is coming!
oh well whatever helps
better somone that wants to be in sac, than some1 that doesn’t
If anything, make him take the full amount for this year
and $0 for 2011. It may cost some cap space, but with a lockout looming, it is the better option, IMO.
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.
I don't think it works that way, based on what some smart people have said above.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 9, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
No it can in a way (also if I'm understanding tom right)
That would mean the buyout was 6.9 million dollars, and that this would be spread out over the two years.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
sorry aykis
i meant noc would just be on the books until 2011, which then he should come off. But it looks like that isn’t a feasible option for a buyout. But a $6-7 Million buyout is good enough, since he most likely will get 6 million in europe, or even more.(Not per year, but for the length of contract).
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.
If the Kings do a buyout, there's a chance Noc could be on the books until the 2012-13 season because that's when his contract actually ends.
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I don't think so
Since that’s a team option and thus unguaranteed.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
But it's technically 3 years
and that’s the length of the contract. The buyout may not reflect that fact, but I’ll bet some money (how about a dollar?) that if one happens it will be spread out over 3 years in terms of what counts against the cap.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And read this if you wish to understand my point.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
This will be something to ask Larry Coon on Twitter.
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Go for it.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Did
Be interesting to read his response if he answers it.
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For all our sakes he does.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Hopefully^
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Well Coon hasn't answered yet
But Sham did. He said 2, which makes sense to me, as Noc really has no rights to that team option. Its called a team option for a reason.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I'm not arguing the guaranteed salary
I’m arguing how long the buyout will last on the cap.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And thats what I asked
2 years.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
That's coon's response? Just when the guaranteed money is due?
Not for the total length of the contract?
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Looks like what Sham said makes sense Aykis.
I’ll accept that it’s almost certainly a 2 year buyout than a 3. (Which is very good for the team.)
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
LPA and I had a brief conversation about $ vs happiness
I hope Noce is one of those rare guys who choose happiness over every last dollar they can scrape out.
He just might be.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jun 10, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
It sounds like it.
It was in regards to Hedo, but the same principle applies.
If you’ve signed a contract that you’re unhappy with now, man up and do something to help the team help you get what you want.
StR Token Female
by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 10, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
To those who jumped down Nocioni's throat...
and cursed him in some pretty colorful language…I respect your right to do that.
I just wish you read ed’s translation first before you did. Maybe you wouldn’t have cursed him as harshly then.
To the more levelheaded members of STR who took the time to understand what Nocioni said before judging him, I thank you. It is because of you guys that I stick around, even when my guy is the resident bozo. Hehehe.
There can only be one Noce!
It wasthe same thing last time Noce
everyone jumped on him before even understanding what he was saying. You get some good, you get some not so good. You know it is
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
A tip to sticking around Noce....
…don’t push the Tyreke drive by article. :P
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
drive by article angle^
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Wahaha. Im too busy trying to defend my guy...
…to bother going after other players, most especially the reigning ROY. Hehehe!
There can only be one Noce!
Never said you weren't smart.
How would you feel if Noc went back to Spain?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Gonna have a hell of a time trying to catch his games...
Euroleague games are shown just once a week here in the Philippines.
I’ll still be in STR, trying to stir the pot. With no player to protect from the ravenous wolves here, I might consider being an illogical hater of (insert name of Kings player here).
There can only be one Noce!
Yeah ACB games aren't easy to catch.
I’m sure Euroleague games are better, but not much.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yeah, and they usually just show highlights.
Seriously tho, i think Noce should go by whatever means necessary. I felt like he should have gone last year but hey, it didn’t happen.
I just feel bad that most Sac fans don’t seem to like him, as opposed to Chicago where about half the Bulls fans liked him.
There can only be one Noce!
He doesn't bother me one bit.
He just isn’t what the Kings need.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
on Rojadirecta
they air Spanish League’s games quite often
"Even when I’m old and grey, I won’t be able to play it, but I’ll still love the game." — Michael Jordan
Go Kings!
The only hitch is that Rojadirecta doesn't work with Firefox.
Or at least not my browser.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
it's been a while
since I last used Rojadirecta, but I don’t remember it giving me problems on Firefox…if you use TVAnts in combo with Rojadirecta you should be fine anyway
"Even when I’m old and grey, I won’t be able to play it, but I’ll still love the game." — Michael Jordan
Go Kings!
Good advice. I'll keep it in mind next year.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
From my perspective
I don’t blame Noc at all. Sacramento is a bad situation for him, and he was already drinking before it got real bad. (Which had to make the following months torture and cost a lot of cab money. But I digress.) Personally, I like Noc in some ways, and not in others. He was the price to doing a deal, and may come in handy for the Kings if they end up trying to pursue relief from Noc’s contract this summer or during the upcoming draft.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I have a feeling that if the Kings were a contender
We would all love Noc.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
No doubt in my mind
The guy is a warrior and goes hard all the time. We would;velove to have him in the ‘golden years’ as a backup for Peja.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
TZ had something about a potential buyout and setoff from a contract Noc could sign with another team
It’s about Mikki Moore though.
For Larry Coon’s perspective, read it here. For those saying, but what if Noc signs in Spain? Here:
If another team signs a released player who had a guaranteed contract (as long as the player has cleared waivers — see question number 55), the player’s original team is allowed to reduce the amount of money it still owes the player (and lower their team salary) by a commensurate amount (this is called the right of set-off). This is true if the player signs with any professional team — it doesn’t even have to be an NBA team. The amount the original team gets to set off is limited to one-half the difference between the player’s new salary and the minimum salary for a one-year veteran (if the player is a rookie, then the rookie minimum is used instead)
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Hmmmm... maybe that will make some sense to me in the morning...
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 9, 2010 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like a sweet deal for the player.
Noc makes $6.750M. If he signs a contract in Europe for two years at $3.750M, the right of set-off is half the difference between $3.750M and the one year vet min which is $750K. So the difference is $3M and half of that is $1.5M per year. So, the KIngs only save $3M over two years and still need to pay his $5.25M. Plus he gets the $3.75M from his new team. Bonanza, he gets a $2.25M raise and ends up making $9M.
Even if he signs for the exact same salary as he gets from the Kings $6.75M, then the right of set-off is 1/2 of $6M or $3M, so the Kings owe him $3.75M per year so he gets a $3.75M raise, and ends up making $10.5M per year. So, for the Kings to cut what they owe him in half, he has to get and offer from another team of at least what he’s making now.
And, that ain’t happening.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
The Kings will look to trade Noc first.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Good Move By All
Why delay what will happen and save money at it?…. He has no value in the league. He could not find his game on a team that won 17 & 25 games the past 2 years and never established himself as anything more than a role player with a number of short comings……. Perfect game for Europe… Wish him the best and hopefully he will let us pay him his buyout in Euros…..
by KingsFanNoMatterWhat on Jun 9, 2010 9:50 PM PDT reply actions
this is much ado about nothing.
Unless he is taking a paycut, no one is going to take him. petrie would trade him for a bucket of buffalo testicles if he could…
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
I can't believe I am willing to admit this but oh well
I’ve actually had rocky mountain oysters
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 9, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Why is that hard to admit?
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
Well considering I just said I ate bull nuts
sexual organs of animals are not often eaten.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 9, 2010 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
OH!!! You learn something new every day.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
Eh it's alright however at the moment I was chewing into it I was a little too aware of what I was eating.
It is actually alot like an oyster. I was pretty drunk but I seem to recall it being more tough and definitely more salty than an oyster.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 9, 2010 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
that would probably be a very very large plate I would imagine.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 9, 2010 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I could be missing something in the analysis here but doesn’t he have to sweeten the deal if he wants the buy out? If he were serious about getting out from his contract than he ought to be willing to accept a buyout for much less than his remaining $13.5 million.
Of course if he hadn’t opened up the issue to the public he’d have a better a shot at getting traded.
if anyone in any league in the world was interested in him, the kings would have traded him.
No one wants to pay him. Anywhere. I’m sure Petrie would trade him to anyone, anywhere for anything they were willing to give back that wasn’t a longer contract.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
It seems to me, that maybe Noc isn't such a bad guy for this
This interview was after he spoke with the Kings front office. Although, it probably would’ve been better if he’d kept his mouth shut. I’d love to see what kind of offers he might get in Europe. He’s owed $13 million for the next two years. If he were offered $10 million for those two years by a Euro team, anyone think he’d take a buyout for that last $3 million?
Also, can European teams assist in an NBA players buyout? I know NBA teams can send $500,000 to help with the buyout of a foreign contract. How does it work the other way around?
#vfettkefordraft
Well, my first question was answered above by Pookey
I knew he was useful for something
#vfettkefordraft
Fuck you too.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
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Maybe we can sacrifice a virgin to the salary cap gods to make this buyout/trade happen
Looks like you’ll be useful in two ways, Pook!
#vfettkefordraft
by vfettke on Jun 9, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
I nominate Pookey.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
That would make it a virgin whale
and Ichiban could have himself some San Diego!
"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." - Cardinal Richelieu
I don’t really feel like Nocioni has done anything he should apologize for, but that is just my opinion. He’s just not a good fit on the Kings, and being the passionate player that Nocioni seems to be, I bet it hurts him not be competing for anything at this stage in his life. I wish more people would just speak their mind and let you know what they’re feeling. I don’t read any of this as Nocioni bad-mouthing the Kings organization. Andres seems frustrated with the situation, but not with the Kings personally. I understand the fan’s frustration with the guy, as all he really did was suck up cap-space and contribute nothing of value on the court, but that doesn’t make him a bad person in my opinion. It looks like we’ll be parting ways with Andres, so let’s try to be positive and leave the insults out.
by InPetrieWeTrust on Jun 10, 2010 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions
So Long, And Thanks For All The Fish.
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Jun 10, 2010 12:15 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Can we do something like this?
It seems to me that Nocioni really wants to play for a winning team, and as such, he may be willing to take a pay cut. What if the kings renegotiated his contract to say $6.5 million for two years contingent on him being traded to a team he approves of. Here’s why I think Nocioni might do this, and why it may actually make him more or at least the same amount of money:
By being traded to a winning team where he has the chance at PT, he can increase his value when he becomes a FA in two years. If we just bench him for another two years, he will be worth squat as a FA. If he is motivated and is passionate about playing for a winning team, he is much more likely to play well and be seen as an asset by the league.
I think a 2 year, 6.5 million dollar contract is much easier to move. Nocioni, if he is smart, is probably already sitting on a checking account with a lot of zeros, so given up a few million to do something with your life that you enjoy may be worth it to him, I know I would consider it.
So, is a trade like this possible? Can you renegotiate a lower salary like stated above?
by InPetrieWeTrust on Jun 10, 2010 12:58 AM PDT reply actions
how about jose calderon?
he can be traded for nocioni straight up.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
just a question
I’m not mad at Noce, I wish him well and everything, actually I’m quite happy if we move him everywhere else that our team (the bunker with all the boxes at the end of “Raiders of the Lost Ark” would work well enough).
My question is: doesn’t officially requesting a trade cost you a fine, such as Stephen Jackson last year?
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Go Kings!
No, not necessarily.
It was worded in a way where there wasn’t a demand and probably won’t be a story until someone decides to act like Noc steps out of bounds.
But what S-Jax got fined for was multiple things, and not the trade demand solely. I don’t remember Kobe being fined for a trade demand.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
so it's up to
how you demand the trade…actually, I remember S-Jax being quite explicit
"Even when I’m old and grey, I won’t be able to play it, but I’ll still love the game." — Michael Jordan
Go Kings!
Yeah and he also was ejected and had problems on the court as well.
It wasn’t just the trade demand as I remember it. It was other on-court stuff as well.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I see
thank you for the clarification
"Even when I’m old and grey, I won’t be able to play it, but I’ll still love the game." — Michael Jordan
Go Kings!
the kings highest paid player
doesn’t want to be on the team anymore. figures.
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
The buy out cap flexibility sounds great!
Trading him is close to impossible unless someone like Khan thinks he’s a good substitute in case he won’t sign Rudy Gay.
If the kings can pull of a Trade with Toronto and get Hedo , Derozan , the 13th pick , wouldn’t it be Nice if the Kings can buy Jazz 9th pick , or Ind 10th pick , or NOH 11th pick , I mean if Cousins doesn’t fall to us , we get Johnson , we can get Whiteside , and if we get more Picks ,that would be Awsome to Replace Noci , Mays ,maybe McGuire ,Udoka. Just wishful Thinking , it wouldnt hurt to draft guys like luke Babbit, Gordon Hayward, Patrick Petterson , Travor Booker, Paul George. sigh……..
I've got nothing against Noce
and totally understand his feelings. BTE said it very well above. Now, if he follows up by cutting us a good deal $$ – wise he has my respect forever.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
Noc + Landry + 2011 #1 top 5 protected for #2 & brand.
They could buyout Noc, Keep Landry . They clear out current and future cap space, get a Decent player in return.
We get #2 & #5 this year, Rid of Noc’s contract, pick up Turner & Cousins. Lineup would be this.
Reke / Beno
Turner/ Garcia
Omri / Donte (don’t care who starts)
Brand / Cousins / Brockman
JT / Hawes
Pick up a couple guys to fill in the extra spots at cheaper contracts and you could be looking at a pretty good team here with pretty good backups.
Granted this only works if Cousins in there at 5 which is a pretty big risk.
Second Scenario Below
Judgment day is coming!
Haven't we been through this already
Noc & Landry are owed $16M. Brand is owed $51M
So, you want to give Philly $35M + our 2011 1st rounder for their #2 pick this year.
Boy do you drive a hard bargain. Not,
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Noc + Landry for Dalembert.
I have a hard time seeing anyone else they would take besides Landry or JT, and Landry is most likely guy to bolt when his contract is up IMO. I would love to See Dalambert on this team as I think he brings a lot that we dont have in the big man spot.
They could buyout Noc, Keep Landry . They clear out current and future cap space, get a Decent player in return.
We still have #5 this year, Rid of Noc’s contract, pick up Cousins or Johnson . Lineup would be this.
Reke / Beno
Johnson / Garcia
Omri / Donte (don’t care who starts)
JT / Brockman
Dalembert / Hawes
Pick up a couple guys to fill in the extra spots at cheaper contracts and you could be looking at a pretty good team here with pretty good backups. Yes we are paying 2 more million for this year, but that gets us out of Noc’s money next year, and free’s us up to still look at any good MLE’s out there. Sets us up right also for new CBA
Judgment day is coming!
What about Hedo for Nocioni
Since Hedo wants to go to the Kings.
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TURRIBLE!
No
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by edm7 on Jun 10, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You tell em ed.
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This is not uncool
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 11, 2010 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions
The second the word buyout
The second the word buyout came out of his mouth, Petrie should have asked how much. Nobody wants Nocioni.
I am confused that the article is saying “go back to Europe”. Isn’t he Argentinian?
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