Finding a Tyreke Backcourt Buddy
by sactoreg on Jul 1, 2010 9:04 AM PDT
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PrintTyreke Evans has established himself as the Kings lead guard of the future. It doesn't matter whether he is labeled a PG, SG, NaPG, or PG-13: all that matters is that he will be handling the offense, and that defensively he is a big body with good defensive potential. We also have potential at SF with Casspi and Donte, as well as young bigs in JT, Landry, Cousins, and Whiteside (and heck, Dalembert) to fill in the front court. While many questions surround the Kings, we seem to have some potential answers in the form of youthful pieces. However, a question still lingers...
...can we find an upgrade to serve as Tyreke's Backcourt Buddy (aka TBB)? Is there someone out there who can play the TBB?
Right now, there are many factors to consider when looking at potential TBBs. Tyreke is entrenched as our lead guard. Given his style of play, he will likely have a high usage rate, controlling the ball most of the time, creating opportunities from his own ability to score and his good passing instincts. What type of player is best to play alongside him? Lets look at this from both an offensive and defensive standpoint, and then examine desired intangibles.
OFFENSIVELY
To determine what a TBB needs to bring to the table offensively, consider the pieces we already have in place. As noted, Tyreke will use a good number of possessions -- he has already shown to be a great scorer, getting to the rack at will -- he will likely jump into the 23ppg area this season. I see him more of a create-because-of-his-own-shot distributor, versus a create-instead-of-his-own-shot distributor. Needless to say, he will score, and score in bunches, and use a fair share of team possessions.
Additionally, we just drafted DeMarcus Cousins. Cousins fits the traditional back-to-basket post man mold, and (as shown in college) is highly effective scoring out of the low post. Additionally, Cousins is not a prolific passer by any means, and will likely have to learn how to become an effective passer out of the post with experience -- in other words, not any time soon. So, a highly effective post scorer, who is not a good passer, and who had a propensity for putting the ball up when he received it in college? Sounds like Cousins will be a guy who uses a fair amount of team possessions, and could become one of our primary scoring options -- I would not be surprised to see him average 16+ pts as a starter, as I envision him eventually starting and playing maybe 25 min a game.
Meanwhile, we also have Carl Landry, another capable, efficient scorer (18ppg as a King), and JT, also already chipping in at ~13ppg. And lets not forget about Casspi, who put up 10ppg in limited minutes as a rook as well...
So what does this mean? This seems to indicate one thing: a TBB does not need to score much. Tyreke will likely be our leading scorer. After him, Casspi, Cousins, Landry, and Thompson all seem like they could easily fill the 2nd, 3rd, and heck, even 4th options. Offensively I see a TBB needing to do only a few things:
- Convert open looks. TBB does not need to create his own shot, nor stroke the 3 like the second coming of Reggie Miller...but he will be on the receiving end of a Tyreke set up, or a pass out of a double team, or something...he should be able to hit an open mid-range jumper and occasionally hit a 3-ball...basically fill open space and be reliable when called upon.
- Hit free throws. Taking Udrih out of the starter equation, the only potential starter that converts FTs at an .800+ clip is Landry. It would be great if TBB can also hit 80%.
- Finish in transition. There will be a lot of length and defensive potential on this team...that will hopefully translate into more opportunities to get out on the break. Someone that can run the floor in transition and (preferably) finish above the rim would be advantageous.
DEFENSIVELY
Defensively is where it gets interesting. There are a couple things to consider on the defensive end. Tyreke certainly has the size to match up with opposing SGs. However, he may not be "there" yet in terms of being able to bring it defensively against 2s that are good-to-great scorers. Additionally, if Tyreke is bringing it defensively, will that affect him on offense?
Personally, I prefer Tyreke be utilized defensively against opposing PGs. He has sufficient quickness and more than enough size and length to be a potential defensive nightmare for opposing PGs. Soooo that means the TBB needs to handle opposing teams' SGs. But before we go any further, lets again examine some of the rest of the team.
Cousins, Dalembert, and Whiteside will occupy the middle. While Cousins isn't exactly a defensive stalwart, he does have fantastic size, and possesses the tools to develop into a more-than-serviceable paint protector. Dalembert is a proven shotblocker and good post defender. Whiteside's defensive prowess in college will hopefully translate into the pro game. Lets go ahead and throw JT in here as well...if nothing else, he's an eager, energetic defender in the middle. Basically Hopefully, this all means that the Kings now should have some pieces that can effectively protect the middle, and help make up for perimeter mistakes and opposing guard penetration in general.
There is more good effort and defensive potential on the wings in Casspi and Donte. Donte especially has shown he is a good defender, especially when he locks into his assignment. And again, Casspi provides the energy and eagerness to bother 3s, and even 1s and 2s on switches (as with Donte).
Problem is, much of the defensive potential is just that: potential. We won't know how it shakes out until the games are played. We have guys who range from proven to wait-and-see defenders in the paint. We have guys who are good-when-I-want-to-be / man-I'm-trying -style defenders on the perimeter. And we have Tyreke, who has the physical tools to be a good defender as well. This seems to indicate one thing: a TBB, first and foremost, must be a defender. Ideally the TBB would (at least this season) be the best defender on the team. Here is my laundry list of TBB defensive traits...the TBB must:
- Possess good size. Going back a few paragraphs, it is my wish that Tyreke stick to opposing PGs -- this means the TBB should have the size to guard 2s. Note: height is not everything...if the TBB has good length, that will suffice as well.
- Commit fouls at a low rate. We already have a guy that fouls too much in JT (though hopefully less this year). Cousins will also likely foul at a higher-than-desired rate. We need consistency in the lineup, defensively...our TBB should be able to stay in the game and still defend effectively.
- Want to play good defense. This might seem like a weird one...but if the TBB is not needed on offense, and has a lackluster attitude on defense, then...what good is he? The Kings' current makeup does not require another scorer, it needs perimeter defenders.
INTANGIBLES
What are some of the desired intangibles of a TBB? Again, lets look at the team. Tyreke will be the Kings "superstar". Cousins will be the guy with perceived mental issues. The team as a whole is young. How will the TBB react to having few touches offensively? What happens if he comes off the bench for some games while the admittedly youthful rotation is worked out by the coaching staff? How will he fit in behind the scenes? It's hard to determine "requirements" when it comes to intangible traits, but here are some desirable intangible characteristics...it would be nice if the TBB would:
- Be a good locker room guy. The team is young, with a relatively new coaching staff, new players coming in from trades, and youthful draft picks in their teens. The TBB should set an example in the locker room, for the health of the team and players in general.
- Bring some veterancy. Could be a point of contention in the Kings' "youth movement" plans. But we're not talking about bringing Bruce Bowen and his bowtie out of retirement here. Someone in their mid- to late-twenties works fine for me, especially if they bring veteran leadership in the form of game experience, playoff wisdom, etc.
- Lack a disruptive ego. I already believe the TBB will be used sparingly on offense. Ideally this would not bother him in any way. "Lacking a disruptive ego" can also be translated into being a team-first guy, caring waaay more about team success than individual stats.
- Have an appreciable contract. Hopefully we can snag someone on the cheap, who won't cost us an arm and a leg.
CANDIDATES!
Originally I had planned on laying out some candidates in detail, but lately there has been a slew of fanposts, links, etc., that discuss potential TBBs ad nauseam. So, I will just offer brief thoughts on a small handful of these guys...
Ronnie Brewer
Good defender. He fouls at low rate, but has a bad FT%. Not a 3pt shooter, but GREAT FG% for career. Relatively young at 25...would not mind grabbing Brewer...he might be my top TBB choice.
Anthony Morrow
Excellent from distance, though I question his ability to defend opposing SGs. He has sufficient size, but he seems like more of an offensive player.
Javaris Crittenton
A natural PG, I wonder if he could play off the ball. He's not a good shooter, but he has good size to defend 2s, and he's a good defender. Also a good rebounder, which is a plus. However, again, I wonder about his ability to play off the ball on offense.
Jordan Farmar
Farmar is a capable defender, but mostly only against opposing PGs. He has good quickness and athleticism, which gives him some potential to be disruptive defensively and help out on the break, but ultimately his lack of size makes me wary.
Kyle Lowry
Good energetic defender...but like Farmar, he lacks size. Likely would have to guard PGs. Again, size ultimately makes we wary of Lowry.
Josh Childress
Interesting...
Randy Foye
I'd consider him "decent"...slightly undersized to defend 2s, but he does hit 3s with some consistency, and has a good FT%.
Jarrett Jack
He's currently under contract, but he seems like a good fit. He has decent size to guard 2s, he hits the 3-ball at a high percentage, and has a good FT%. He doesn't foul much either. Downside here is that we can't sign outright, or make an offer as with RFAs. He also may be slightly undersized to guard 2s, but the rest of the package may be enticing enough to see if we could get by.
ONE LAST CRAZY THOUGHT
Would it be plausible to shift Donte to the SG position? He definitely has the size and athleticism to guard 2s, and is relatively quick on the perimeter. He wouldn't need to score the ball often, but he can definitely finish and get out on the break. When focused, he is a great defensively as well. This also allows Casspi to fill the 3 unopposed (where I think he will have good success this season). It also gives us a pretty huge lineup sizewise, with Tyreke, Donte, and Casspi, along with some mix of JT/Cousins/Dalembert/Whiteside, none of whom are small for their positions.
...anyhoo, I can't wait to see what offseason moves (if any) the Kings make to improve the roster. I welcome any thoughts from Kings nation!
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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The forgotten man should rise again
As has been mentioned before, Cisco fills most if not all of your needs. This will be his make-or-brake year for the Kings. I’m hopeful he can be that guy, but we shall see.
by Mityt on Jul 1, 2010 9:21 AM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I agree
Cisco isn’t the best player, but it really isn’t worth signing a guy to do what he does. Cisco is better than most of those guys on the market. The bad gms have their finger on the panic button right now (Kahn resigning Darko, Joe Johnson’s extension, Drew Gooden . . . ) I want to see Petrie stay put.
We still need another guard
just because we are short right now, last season (esp. after injuries) was a clear example of how much we need at least a 4th guard
Maybe "Jason Evans" is just Tyreke in disguise
He really wants to play, but the team doesn’t want to risk injury because there’s not much to gain.
Tyreke: Jason Evans reporting for duty, coach.
Westphal: Uh, I know it’s you, Tyreke.
Tyreke: Wha? Does Tyreke Evans have a long white beard? Gimme the ball.
Courtesy AnotherStupidSN
by prowseinthehouse on Jul 2, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
That would be nice
Although the things that makes me apprehensive about Cisco are his contract and that he has not shown great consistency so far. Admittedly some of that is due to numerous coaching and roster changes. Most of these other guys are young and could be had cheaper, and would have a chance to settle into a defined role.
But again, if Cisco can come out of the gate and fulfill the defense / utility-on-offense role, that would be great.
Don't worry about his contract
We already own it. I think Cisco could fit the bill here, at least short term and there is no real reason not to try it this year. Beno as a combo off the bench really would be a better fit in my opinion.
Did you see the ridiculous contracts handed out today?
Cisco’s contract is basicly the veterans minimum right now
I love beating dead horses.
this is definitely not a amke-or-break year for the Kings (although maybe you are not using the term in the way I normally hear it being used)
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 1, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
No just Cisco, not the Kings
This is up-and-coming year for the Kings. IMO, if CIsco doesn’t play up to his role and contract this next season then he will become the the new K9 (¡guau guau!)
ah gotcha
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 1, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't see Cisco becoming the "new K9" at this point
K9 made 2 or 3 million more and was a 6’7" power forward. He also could not score to save his life. Cisco is a 6’7" 2 gaurd who can defend, hit the open 3, he is clutch, a good leader, & he doesn’t sulk because he thinks he’s better than he really is. As long as we don’t have a 2 gaurd or 2 better than him he will have a decent roll on this team.
Oh yeah & because of all the ridiculous contracts handed out today I don’t see how he can not live up to his contract.
I love beating dead horses.
Unless
There is someone (Courtney Lee anyone?) that you can fleece from a team that’s desperate to clear cap space. You might not have a similar opportunity to acquire a talented piece of the puzzle next year or the year after.
If you can’t do something like that, then Cisco is a nice fallback.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Agreed
Before the calf and wrist injuries, Cisco was a solid player for his age. I think he will end up being very good this year.
And that's wassup.
by Sacramento_Strong on Jul 3, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
We should add Gerald Green the winner of the 2007 Dunk Contest… He has alot of potential and still young… very athletic, good offense game… need someone like that to psych up the team at times
OK
I’ve read this same comment in 5 different threads. I think we can ascertain your Gerald Green love. Please post it one thread only.
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In general, I like Felton
However, if we got him I think we’d probably have to pay him for his abilities as a PG. If we could get him for less than what his PG-market-value will likely be, then I like him as well…although I wonder how effective he’d be guarding SGs full time.
Tyreke would defend SG's if he shared a backcourt with Felton
I think you overlooked the most important skills the team is currently lacking: ball handling & passing. With a guy like Morrow in the backcourt with Tyreke, teams would have a lot of motivation to apply full court pressure and traps. Tyreke isn’t a good enough ball handler to handle that kind of pressure all game by himself. Also, as you pointed out, this team has a lot of scorers right now, but Tyreke is the only player on the team that can reliably create offense from the backcourt. The others need someone to get them the ball, and Tyreke doesn’t really have the mindset to setup teammates unless he has to. Without another good ball handler & distributor in the backcourt, the offense will get pretty stagnant. If that means giving up a bit of a size advantage, then so be it. There is a reason no team has a starting lineup comprised of all players 6’7" and above.
by Charlieb on Jul 1, 2010 10:02 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, he would
However, in my post I stated that i prefer Tyreke to guard PGs…so all my considerations assume that the other guard will guard SGs….which is why I evaluate defensive potential against SGs.
…and I think we would disagree on what the team is lacking. I believe that Tyreke provides the ball handling and passing…by default, if nothing else. He seems entrenched as our lead guard, controlling the ball the majority (or heck, all) of our possessions. He could improve his general ballhandling and cut down the TOs a bit, but he is our ballhandler. He is a good passer…not in the Deron Williams/Steve Nash mold, but he passes well out of opportunities he creates.
I believe a team needs one primary ballhandler on court at a time…the rest of the passing is auxilliary, coming from natural offensive sets and give/take from the defense.
I think your forgetting how poorly Evans handled the Pick&Roll.
His size and length isn’t an advantage for him when he’s trying to fight thru the screener and he’s not quick enough to beat smaller PG’s either over or under the pick.
What made Wall a #1 pick was his size & quickness. Your not going to fill every need in the backcourt unless you have the top atheletes at both positions. Your going to have to either compromise or give up your advantage somewhere.
Two Tyreke’s in the backcourt is ok, but there are still going to be areas were we won’t have the advantage. Like the P&R or chasing a quick PG thru multiple screens, and just from a stamina point of view. If Evans has to chase a jackrabbit PG around the court for 35mpg how will it affect his offensive game.
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by HighTops on Jul 1, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
tyreke would be guarding the SG
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by Mr. Know it all on Jul 1, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Everyone is getting overpaid.
I’d like to see Petrie make no moves and continue to improve organically. If there is a move to be made it’s in the mid-season, when all the teams preparing to play the Lakers will be salivating at Dalembert’s expiring contract. At a time when Darko gets 20 mil and Gooden gets 32 mil, I’d hate to see what Petrie would have to pay someone like Felton.
by sdfd on Jul 1, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
I think Felton would be a great guy to add
I like him because his shooting has been improving, he’ll move the ball and he can handle it.
Of the realistically available players Felton would be the guy I’d be most excited about signing as a free agent.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
but tyreke should be are starting PG
if we dont get anyone in FA this year so what. we are going to have 30 mil next season. i say trade Landry this year so we can get value for him, since his contract will run out.
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by Mr. Know it all on Jul 2, 2010 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Landry could be around long term. It still think the most likely scenario is Landry PF, Cousins C with JT off the bench for years to come.
Agreed
Except I have Landry off the bench, he brings more value their.
You're right
And I think JT would mind coming off the bench. He seems like he feels he should be starting.
I feel that anyone who is second best
Shouldn’t mind coming off the bench. If he does, find someone more compatible for the role.
Where JT might be concerned is losing minutes because of the drafting of Cousins and Whiteside. But there’s not much he can do about it except bust his butt and continue to improve.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
I think he will do that
Because he wants to start and play those big minutes. I would still say it is a safe bet for JT to start the next couple seasons because Whiteside needs time, and their is a chance he won’t turn out better than JT. I really hope Whiteside becomes a Garnett-type player though.
JT will back up Landry.
Just like Cousins will back up Dalembert. JT will probably play about 20 minutes a game unless someone gets hurt.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Would it be plausible to shift Donte to the SG position? He definitely has the size and athleticism to guard 2s, and is relatively quick on the perimeter.
No
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
I can see playing Omri at the 2 though.
He did it against OKC in the pre-season and had a monster night.
Hope
by Ultrakingsfan on Jul 1, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Offensively Donte did well at SG, but it was his worst position defensively, so I agree NO
according to 82games.com, everytime Donte played SG, the opponent ended up with Star type PERs numbers.
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You have perfectly described Doug Christie
I know that doesn’t help for the purposes of discussion, but I couldn’t help but notice it.
Convert open looks, Hit free throws, Finish in transition
Possess good size, Commit fouls at a low rate, Want to play good defense
Be a good locker room guy, Bring some veterancy, Lack a disruptive ego, Have an appreciable contract
A really fine write-up, sactoreg!
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jul 1, 2010 10:04 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
No doubt, Dougie Fresh would be perfect
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
I hate to be the one to break the news
but DC is a bit old and into doing reality TV. I think the Kings need to look elsewhere. That said; do you think he would except the vet minimum?
by betweentheeyes on Jul 1, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Does he still have plantair facaitis?
by caseycheesecake on Jul 1, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I felt the same way, Doug is the perfect archetype of a player to pair with tyreke
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Well the "play good defense" is a high priority IMO
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
doug christie
man i wish we had our old team they were a beast but i see future bright. what about trading sisco to miami for chalmers?
You would have to drug Riley for him to do that
maybe heroin?
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by Mr. Know it all on Jul 2, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
First, I'll do my LPA imitation
Weary should = wary.
2nd, I’m less than thrilled with SGs out there and would be upset if we overpaid one of them.
I believe a healthy Cisco is better than any of those guys at SG, but we do need some back-up guards that 1) supply a change of pace for a fairly deliberate starting 5 and some additional spot shooting.
I guess I’m still in the N8te camp as our primary signing and would then add a decent combo guy who can shoot from outside and defend.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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We don't need to find final solutions to all our problems right now.
It seems to me we’ll have some assets to trade come Feb., still have cap room, and will be in the teens somewhere in the lottery next year.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 1, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Young athletic sg
i think all we really need is depth at this point, someone that falls behind reke, beno, cisco. if not, giving significant minutes to a new player would take away PT from our young players, who need all the court time they can get.
I'll stick with my fortune cookie answer.
Still, next years draft pick ought to be better than anyone on this current free agent list, who the Kings would have to overpay to acquire. The great luxury about this Kings team is they have the corner stone pieces, they are very young and the Kings can afford to take things slowly to get it right.
Not to mention we have yet to see how Cisco can co-exist in the back court with Reke. He fills a lot attributes talked about in the article and always discussed as being in the Doug Christie mold.
I agree except in the ball handling area, Cisco is worse than Evans
and he isn’t any better at creating shots for others. But a healthy Cisco could be pretty much what was discribed in the post. So, is that what the KIngs really need to add right now?
We have Beno, Cisco, Omri & Donte who can fill in as the TBB, and possibly someone out of the VSL could be added on the Cheap. But, where are the playmakers/ball handlers when Evans is off the court for 12 mpg. And, who can we put on the floor against a line up with 2 very quick Guards.
While I love the post, the biggest need isn’t a TBB. It’s that quick playmaker that can defend the quicker PG’s when Evans can’t. Someone to help Evans and relieve him bring the ball up and run the half court set. Things that Beno can do but doesn’t do well.
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by HighTops on Jul 1, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
One missing attribute of TBB:
We’d like him to be a better than average ball handler. Tyreke will be the lead guard (as you said), but the offense seems to flow more smoothly when there’s someone else on the court who can advance the ball and initiate offensive sets sometimes. That’s why Donté can’t be TBB.
This should be primary on the list, IMHO
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Kings have yet to even be rumored to have interest in anyone.
I think when GP said there wouldn’t be a splash, he meant just that. Our roster is most likely set for next season. At the most we possible bring in 2 back-court players, one being a 3rd PG & the other being a back-up SG who could possibly challenge Garcia for minutes. At best, I think we could bring in JJ Redick or Randy Foye. Guys like Morrow & Mathews are getting looks from good playoff teams, so unless we overpay, we can cross them off our list.
Reke/Beno/Free-Agent(just to have a third PG)
Garcia/(JJ/Foye)/(Landesberg/Thompson)
Greene/Casspi
Landry/JT/Whiteside/Brockman
Dalembert/Cousins
KINGS WILL BE 10-11 CHAMPIONS
Gosh I hope we stay away from Foye.
That dude’s a bust 100%.
by caseycheesecake on Jul 1, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I would be okay with him for one year
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 1, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
JR also said that they probably won't move right away, on the RiseGuys show Wed.
But, Evans said that he would like to see a Vet added to help him carry the load. (Paraphrased) Not sure whether he meant the scoring load or the ball handling load.
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I’m guessing but I think what he means by load is a veteran who can take vocal command and get the other players to fall into position. Reke will only be 20 years old, a guy who can take on floor generalship role and let him develop another a year and grow into the role would be highly beneficial. I think it was a role management was counting on Noc to fulfill but failed miserably. I know it’s a different sport but Patrick Willis has grown leaps and bounds under Takeo Spikes. It gave him a blueprint on how to become that vocal leader and bought him more time to naturally grow into the role instead of being thrust into it before he was ready.
You could be right,
I don’t think that Tyreke enjoyed the on court confrontations with Noc.
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I don’t think it’s fair to put that role on such a young player. You can go get a veteran who understands it’s his role to say those types of things to the rest team for the superstar player. Christ, Derek Fisher still fills that role for Kobe Bryant (basically because Kobe is still pathetic at some areas even at age 32).
I see Cisco filling that role pretty effectively
No, he doesn’t have any championships or anything like that, but I really believe that guys respect his approach to the game. I think he’s a natural leader.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 2, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe
Landesburg will be our guy?!?! Can’t wait for VSL to start
Courtney Lee
He’s under contract, but he fits all of these categories. Very good defender. Athletic. Hits open shots. Good free throw and 3 point shooter. Can get out in transition. Doesn’t use a lot of possessions. Pretty decent ball handler.
OJ Mayo also fits the bill as the athletic defensive guard who can shoot, but doesn’t use a lot of possession. However, there’s now way we get him without giving a lot back.
Steven Jackson and Battier also fit the bill. But they’re expensive and old.
Lee might have been an option if NJ were clearing cap space for a fa signing
but they just added 2 players to the roster. Also, JJ and Gay were on the top of their FA list and both are gone now. So, I think that they’ll give up on clearing cap space, at least more than they already have. So, don’t expect them to give up on Lee without a fight.
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Hadn't even though about Lee
Good call. Although with the points HighTops made, I agree it would be difficult to snag him.
The future starting SG....
will be acquired in 2011….
by getPGwithbounce on Jul 1, 2010 12:36 PM PDT reply actions
i think so too
either via draft or FA. I still think we’ll be in the lotto next year, be it late lotto. we should be able to get our future 2 there. if not then via FA next yeah
Garcia could be the guy.
Cisco has a way to go to earn this, but there is a chance that he could be the guy. Roll the clock back to before he was attacked by the rogue physio-ball, and he could be the guy. But after a lost year, doubts have grown.
Garcia is an enthusiastic defender, a capable (but not selfish) shooter, and the ultimate teammate. On a team that has a ball handling lead guard and (hopefully) a renewed emphasis on low post productivity, Garcia could be the guy.
I have no false illusions about a three-guard rotation of Evans/Garcia/Udrih – it’s not perfect. But compared to a lot of the guys that have been discussed around StR lately, I think that this trio could be more than capable while this team continues to transition. And if it works, both Garcia and Udrih become fair value contracts, and much more tradeable when the Kings are ready to take the next step in the process.
Or not.
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by section214 on Jul 1, 2010 12:46 PM PDT reply actions 9 recs
I’m a huge Garcia fan. He hits clutch threes and is our best vocal leader.
I think we’ve all just forgotten the feel of him on our court. He would have made quite a difference last year. Maybe not in wins, but just our on-court demeanor, defensive consistency, etc…
by caseycheesecake on Jul 1, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I agrree with your last paragraph Section.
Given the drastic changes in the frontcourt and the anticipated reinforcment of the desired personality – strong and scrappy – I think you have to give this a chance before proclaiming you need more change.
Then there is the money issue. Why must it be that now that the Kings have finally cleared caps space they have to spend it? Economic forecasts are not favorable. ARCO won’t be filling up much more next season. The CBA looms. The headlines are filled with ridiculous deals. Raef LaFrentz thinks this is a good idea, but I don’t. Let the silly money die down. There will be more deals this February and summer 2011 – provided there is no lockout.
Let the Kings figure out what they have before they judge what they have not.
by betweentheeyes on Jul 1, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Let the silly money die down, Brilliant Bravo
and I believe that’s exactly what GP will do. He’ll look at undrafted players in Vegas. Make some invites in preseason. Maybe add a couple of min contracts going into the season.
By then the market price will be set based on all the other signings that will take place. And, knowing Petrie’s nose for talent, I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t find the next Wes Matthews in Vegas.
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it's not perfect?, so what's needed to make it better?
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Doug Christie 2001 - 2005
Interestingly, Christie’s best years were during his age 27-33 years. Garcia turns 30 this season. We’ll see.
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Garcia could end up playing 30-35 minutes per game
if they don’t significantly upgrade the SG-SF positions via trade or free agency.
On the existing roster, he’s the primary backup at guard and also figures to be the closer at SF. As Francisco goes, so go the Kings to a large degree.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Agreed
As of today, he fills a much more important role in the backcourt, as he is the 2nd or 3rd guy in a 3 guard rotation. But that could change with one free agent signing. And I could certainly see Evans, Udrih, and Garcia all on the floor at the end of games, especially if Casspi or Greene don’t step up and grab the brass ring.
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Or it could be
Evans, the new guard and Garcia at the end of games. Beno and Garcia are both primarily shooters, and Francisco is the better defender. They definitely need better ballhandling to get into the offense more quickly in crunch time, so a real point guard would be helpful.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Is it the ball handler or the recipient?
I want to see Evans and Udrih with a training camped Landry and Cousins before I make the call that the Kings need a better distributor. I think that part of the challenge for Evans and Udrih last year was working with low post guys that they either were not familiar with (Landry) or did not always make good decisions once they had the ball in the low post (Thompson). Additionally, Udrih and Hawes were the only duo to remotely master the high pick and roll, and even that was few and far between.
I’m not ready to say that Evans can’t handle in crunch time. He had some successes and failures last year as a 20 year old rook. I really see Evans transforming into a guy that might handle a little less in the early to middle stages of the game, but the ball will be in his hands late, a la Kobe, Roy, Wade, etc.
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You're probably right
That there was plenty of blame to go around.
At the same time, there were a lot of times in the late going when both Tyreke and Beno both held the ball too long, didn’t start the offense until less than 10 seconds were on the shot clock and we ended up with a terrible shot or shot clock violation.
Start the offense more quickly, stop playing stall ball prematurely and play the way you’ve been playing in the first three quarters until tactics really dictate that it’s time to focus more on running time off the clock than adding more points. Play to win and not to lose.
A lot of that comes with experience, and I really fault Beno more for that than Tyreke.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Agreed
2nd year under Westphal, and that means no more excuses. We should know relatively early in the season whether or not Evans and Udrih are capable of facilitating low post offense.
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I’d give them longer than 2 years. I think it took the team until the 3rd year to really nail down Adelman’s system.
I'm not saying that they should "arrive" this year,
but they should show marked improvement in their ability to facilitate the offense.
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How often
has a point guard on a championship team led his team in scoring?
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Miami, San Antonio, Detroit
All so close it doesn’t matter. If you choose San Antonio, the PG combo easily scored more.
Besides, who said Tyreke will be our high scorer as things develop? I could easily see it being Cousins in year.
Oh and – napg.
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by lietothegirls on Jul 1, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Jason Williams led Miami in scoring?
Where the hell have I been?
Duncan led the Spurs in scoring all four times they were champs, although Parker was second the last two times.
Rip Hamilton led Detroit in scoring, although Billups was a close second on a balanced team.
I don’t think Cousins leading the team in scoring is in the Blueprint.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
D Wade handles the ball in Miami
80% of the time. Sound familiar?
Go ahead and disregard everything else I said if thats what you want to do.
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by lietothegirls on Jul 2, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Wade might handle it 80% of the time in the last 3-4 minutes
But not for the whole game.
As far as “disregarding everything else (you) said,” I was looking at individual players, not the position, but your point is still incorrect.
We might agree that the Kings will be better in the future if Tyreke is not the clear No. 1 option.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
I think you missed a few qualities...
I disagree that TBB doesn’t need to be a good 3 point shooter, I think that should be one of the major qualities TBB has to possess. With a team of Tyreke, TBB that doesn’t hit 3’s, Omri, Landry, and Cousins Omri would be the only one on the court capable of hitting the 3 with any type of consistency.
I also think a TBB has to be a good passer and capable of brining the ball up and running the offense effectively. That’s why the team played so much better with Beno next to Tyreke because he could do those things and Kevin really couldn’t.
If TBB can hit a 3 with enough frequency to make people guard him to the 3pt line
then I’d be fine. I don’t believe he needs to hit at a 40% clip, but hopefully defenders wouldn’t sag off him like they do a Rajon Rondo or Tony Parker at the 3pt line.
A number of people seem to be mentioning TBB being a secondary ball handler. I had not considered that to be important when I made this post, but there are some very logical points being brought up in favor of it, that I am starting to agree.
Kudos, sactoreg
After the recent spate of fanposts that normally go something like, “Hey, isn’t this player nifty? Let’s sign him!,” it’s very refreshing to see a post with a lot of deep thought and obvious effort. Well conceived, well executed…well done.
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Looking beyond FA - Guys I'd like to see the Kings target as a fit next to Tyreke....
Arron Afflalo
Ty Lawson
Aaron Brooks
Wesley Matthews
DJ Augustin
Courtney Lee
Rudy Fernandez
OJ Mayo
Avery Bradley
Xavier Henry
James Anderson
Jordan Crawford
Shane Battier
JJ Redick
Sylven Landesberg
Jerome Randle
All these guys I could see as potential back-court mates for TYreke. Some are starting caliber, others off-the-bench caliber.
It's a pipe dream...
…but I’d really, really, really like to see Shane Battier as TBB. He’s one of the smartest players in the league, he’s been around the block a few times, plays good defense, and he hits open 3s. Sure, he’s 31, but we’d probably only need him around for a couple years to provide a positive example to our young guys.
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Other than the fact that he's 6-8 230lbs and not a guard, he'd be fine
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If you can guard Kobe, you can guard an SG.
"Where hope goes to die"
Do you really think that Kobe is the fastest SG in the league?
besides if being able to guard Kobe was the main requirement, than we already have our man in Donte.
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82games.com has Shane Battier playing the vast majority of his minutes at SG last season.
"Where hope goes to die"
last year was not Battier's best season
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
True.
But the year before that, Battier spent roughly half his minutes at SG, and that was his most productive position on either end of the floor.
"Where hope goes to die"
Or rather, he was more productive at SG than at SF in '08-'09.
His sample size at SF for ‘09-’10 is really small, though.
"Where hope goes to die"
That was because he was the only option at SG not the best.
Just like Donte & Casspi had to play the 2 after we traded Martin and before Cisco came back.
Who else played SG for Houston last season? Answer 6-0 PG Kyle Lowery. and in 08/09 Battier played 24% of the SG minutes. Why? Because McGrady was injured.
As a shooting Guard, Battier averaged less than 10 ppg, less than 2 assists, and had a PERs of under 11. He can’t create his own shot, can’t shot off the dribble and is a bad ball handler. He’s a defensive specialist with a career 38% from beyond the arc who is under contract for $7.5M this season.
Just like I don’t want to see Donte play the 2, I wouldn’t want Battier there either. I’d rather have John Salmons who also defended Kobe, but who can score, distribute and create his own shot.
I think Battier is a fine ball player and one of the best defensive players, but I don’t like him in the backcourt with Evans. and, certainly not for $7.5M
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I'm already satisfied with the number of people who can create their own shots.
Evans, Udrih, and Cousins can all create for themselves; we don’t need a guy like Salmons to dominate the ball and clog the offense. If I’m the Kings, then the main thing I’m looking for on offense is a good spot-up 3-pt shooter to spread the floor. That’s Shane Battier. (Also, Battier’s a better ball-handler than you give him credit for; his TOV% has been at or better than league average his entire career).
Moreover, Battier’s one of the savviest defenders in the league, and I like the guy as a veteran presence – very useful for a team full of young guys.
I can see the point about Shane Battier not being Houston’s best option at SG – and I agree. The point I’m making, though, is that he’s perfectly capable of playing that position; that was his primary position in 2010, and his best position in 2009. You pointed out that he doesn’t seem to have the build for a 2, but he’s really only an inch taller and 5 lbs heavier than Doug Christie was.
He’s not a stat-stuffer and he’s not the prototypical SG, but he has played the position – rather often – and he’s been effective at that position as a spot-up shooter and a defender, both of which we need.
"Where hope goes to die"
not at all
but he is the smartest/craftiest, and the most talanted. To be able to guard Kobe, you’ve got to be smart.
I was always one of the slowest players on the court, but I was smart. And I was able to use my quick mind, rather thatn my quick body, to anticipate the defences moves. Also, quickness is not an absolute necessity IMO, because we finally have talanted shotblockers on our team. If Battier were to be beaten off the dribble, a big could easily step up to defend the shot. And, because he is big for a guard, smart, and a hard worker, Battier is big enough to fare well fighting through off ball screens, so open looks on the perimeter isn’t a real concern either. I actually REALLY like Battier, but this probably will never happen.
I dunno if it's such a pipe dream really....
if we can help Toronto and Houston facilitate Bosh to Houston with our cap space, players like Jeffries and Battier could come our way to work under the CBA and we could grab some incentive too, I want Brooks badly as I think he’s the PERFECT fit at PG with Beno and Tyreke in the backcourt then and TPE’s could then go to Toronto…..with their incentive.
I would think that the Rockets would rather keep Ariza, Martin, Bosh and Yao as their core, sign Felton with the MLE and move forward with that mid-20’s team and honestly, they’d look pretty dominant.
by Smills9133 on Jul 1, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Interesting proposal. I like Brooks alot and he would be a interesting compliment to Tyreke's style.
Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.
I think I heard something elsewhere along the same lines
but I think it was Bosh to Houston, Brooks to Sac and Landry to Toronto. It may have been someone else besides Brooks, though.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
I totally agree.
He is a excellent defender. He might not be a typical SG, but he can guard the 1,2,3. Lets not forgot that he shut down Tyreke last year. He was the only defender all of last year to really get into Tyreke. Plus, he can hit the 3 on a consistent basis.
Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.
Jared Dudley please.
I know its a pipe dream but he meets all the criteria.
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by nothingbutnet on Jul 2, 2010 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
JT for Dudley and Griffin
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by nothingbutnet on Jul 2, 2010 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
the guy i really like is Arron Afflalo
He would be a great fit for Tyreke. Not a huge offensive weapon, but he can hit the 3 ball very consistently and can put the ball on the floor at times. He is a tough defender and brings a good attitude to the team. He has never had any off-the-court problems and would be a good role model.
He is also very young still (24) and has his prime ahead of him.
He isnt a big SG (6’5), but his defensive abilities make up for that.
The downside is that he obviously isnt a FA…however the Nuggets have been looking for a big man. The Nuggets have been targeting a big man, which we have a newfound influx of. I dont know how a trade would work out (maybe we could sign Brockman then trade him) but I think that Afflalo is a very intruiging possibility.
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He's under contract with Denver
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I know.
thats why I said this.
The downside is that he obviously isnt a FA
"I have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot...and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why... I succeed." Michael Jordan.
by Surprise Team on Jul 1, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd be willing to participate in as a 3rd team that sends a TPE out
and takes on a contract that expires for the price of Afflalo. Something that could land Denver their big man. I know they’re targeting Biedrins. So maybe we could help GS cut some more finances out…take on a Radman or Gadzuric and nab Afflalo..?
Afflalo is a nice option
I really didn’t consider guys under contract (except Jarrett Jack I believe)…once you open up the doors to non-FAs there are a whole slew of guys to consider…good call
it dosent matter that tyrekes backcourt buddy is very small. he will be guarding the point of the other team
usually
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by Mr. Know it all on Jul 2, 2010 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Who Tyreke?
We should try for a quicker smaller guard, such as Lowry, who is strong enough and fast enough to handle the quick small guards that Tyreke can’t. Even if they come off the bench just to play D for a few minutes on them to ware them out and let Tyreke focus on running the O.
it would still be nice if he was a combo guard
just create mismatches
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by Mr. Know it all on Jul 2, 2010 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Cisco
Can be our other guard to get a mismatch if we want. But the problem was on D, hence why Lowry fits that bill.
yeah im content with not doin anything this offseason
if we don’t we could offer two max contracts next season.
so we could potentionaly land durant, if he would want to leave OKC.
which he probably wouldn’t
its fun to dream though
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by Mr. Know it all on Jul 2, 2010 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I (hope that I) understand that this is about the nature of Tyreke's ideal partner, and not who the Kings should focus on getting now...
because the utter lack of credit given to Beno thus far in the comments is a little baffling. Obviously he doesn’t meet some of SactoGreg’s requirements (great Post by the way)- he negates Tyreke’s size advantage against PG’s and in no way approaches a lock-down defender. That said, he’s a reliable shooter, can create off the dribble, moves the ball well, and his “stop-and-pop” jump shooting game seems a good complement to defenses geared against Tyreke’s “layup-whatever-the-cost” drives.
I guess count me as one more guy who thinks that the Evans-Udrih-Garcia is more than serviceable in the near future. I’d like more depth, but it’ll do (TWSS).
by lead_pipe on Jul 1, 2010 6:12 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
well
I view Beno as a very good partner with Tyreke, but if we were to become a good team….Beno cannot be a starter. Beno would be a great backup PG to work with the 2nd unit.
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by Surprise Team on Jul 1, 2010 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Right, I can see what you're saying.
I just feel that the Kings aren’t a good team yet, and that standing pat with the current guard rotation is not only an acceptable move but a smart one. Again, it would be great to see one more guy for depth.
yeah i see what you are saying too
However, Beno is only a short-term solution in my mind.
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by Surprise Team on Jul 1, 2010 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
And for now there is nothing wrong with a short term solution
to be honest, there isn’t a free agent guard out there that I would as anything but a short term solution. I don’t want the team to think of any of these guys as long term fixes.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Frankly,
I dont know where we are going to get our “long-term solution”…and actually after re-thinking this, I dont think we need a long term solution
We basically have 4 out of 5 starting positions set for the long term..
G- Evans
SF- Greene/Casspi
PF- Thompson/Whiteside/Landry
C- Cousins
And when you look at all the good teams out there, every team has one starting position that is dubbed a “short-term solution”.
Lakers: Fisher
Celtics: Allen, Garnett, Pierce
Magic: Barnes
Cavs: Shaq
That being said….Do I think Beno should be the partner in the backcourt for Tyreke that we have been looking for? Probably not.
"I have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot...and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why... I succeed." Michael Jordan.
by Surprise Team on Jul 1, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Beno is/was a good partner
However if a team decides to throw in a lengthy SF to defend Reke the Kings need to punish that match up with another option, i.e. a larger SG that can beat up on their out-sized PG or SG. Beno did very well when the match was in his favor but the Kings need the other side of equation to maximize the match up benefits Reke presents.
again on the passing
sactoreg, have you watched the videos of Westphal and Petrie stating that Demarcus is a very good passer? they both believe he is good at it.
put me in, Coach
I have not seen the videos
But I watched almost all his college games, and if he is a good passer, he was reluctant to show it in college. It’s definitely not like he was hitting cutters in the lane or bouncing it baseline to open guys at the corner much.
If Cousins shows he can be a good passer in the league, then that might change things dramatically…it’s a huge dimension to add to the team any time you have a big post man who can pass. I’ll check out the vids…
at least watch these points
00:35 Geoff Petrie: “…He’s an outstanding passer”
08:27 Ailene Voisin(i think): asking Geoff Petrie about where he got a sense of his passing:
GP: Well just go watch about 15 of their games and you’ll see that ball come flying out of the low post one time after another on double teams. He’s got a great feel for passing the ball out of there.
AV: (hard to hear) “…he didn’t get a chance to show that at Kentucky—”
Well I think he did. If you watch the tapes we watched and the breakdowns of the post ups, you’ll see a lot of terrific passes coming out of there.
07:23 Jim Gray (I think): “How good can Demarcus and Tyreke be together?”
Paul Westphal: “Oh I think they can compliment each other very well. The one thing that I’m not sure has been real apparent about Demarcus, but he is he is that he is a very good passer…”
It’s hard to find videos of Demarcus because there aren’t a lot posted on youtube. What I’ve been watching is the Kentucky Wildcats videos of every game posted by ukwildkatfan92. It only shows every point scored by Kentucky, so you don’t see everything and you have to sift through all the points by everyone, but its definitely worth watching.
If I could find the time, I’d like to compile all the plays where you see Demarcus make good passes, but that is a big project. You can start off with the Mississippi State Bulldogs game, where you’ll see him make a couple of great passes from the post.
put me in, Coach
I listened to the interview also, and got a slightly different impression
I don’t believe GP was suggesting that DMC was a good enough passer from the high post that he could match Hawes type assist numbers, although he didn’t say he couldn’t.
What I heard was that Cuz knew when to pass out of the double team and could find the guy who was left open. Which meant that he wasn’t the type of player that forces up shot against the double team. Now, PW is always talking about wanting a guy that draws double teams, because it leads to open shots. But, it’s not always the guy who gets the first pass out of the double team.
I really don’t think people want Cuz to show that he can be the next Spencer.
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Hawes' assist stats aren't that high
2.2 last year, and 1.6 for his career. I have confidence Demarcus can match that, High Tops.
The reason I pointed out the evaluations of DMC’s passing abilities by GP and Westphal is that there’s the perception that DMC is a black hole when he gets the ball in the paint.
Wether his pass out of the double team registers an assist, or leads to the next pass that registers an assist, the fact is that he does the right thing by getting it out of there when necessary.
Also, I never said that I was hoping for Cousins to be anything like Spencer.
put me in, Coach
I know that you didn't compare Cuz to Spence
I was just pointing out that I don’t think most people care if Cuz is a great passer or not. And, as far as Hawes only having 2.2 assts last season, you have to take that in the context that it ranked him 7th among center in that category.
If you point was to show that DMC wasn’t a black hole, it didn’t come across like that to me. Every NBA player should be able to pass the ball. And, to me a good passing center is one that has the timing and vision to set others up with his passing. A player with a high BBIQ, knows when and where to pass when he sees the double team coming. Hawes was an excellent passing big man, but often dribbled the ball right into the double team when he made his spin move into the paint. Good passer, bad BBIQ. Hope, that explains my confusion. Just different ideas of what the discription means.
So, I think we are both on the same page with Cousins, just misinterpretations of the others writing style.
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Okay, good point about Hawes ranking 7th among centers, High Tops. You’re right, I should keep that in context. That being said, I still believe DMC can match those numbers.
As far as the comment about timing and vision to set others up with his passing, you can see that DMC can do that in his videos. If you don’t want to sift through all the Kentucky games videos on youtube, watch the latest video on Kings.com where Andrew Nicholson interviews him about fans twitter questions. There’s good footage of his timing and vision. You’ll see at least 3 very good examples.
http://www.nba.com/kings/video/2010/06/30/DMCtwitterQsmov-1362488/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt2
GP and Westphal were both emphatic about pointing out his passing ability. They wouldn’t point it out if they weren’t considering that as part of his skills package.
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So dizzy from FA
I just want the Kings to use Cisco and a player like Landesberg. I can’t keep looking at the same players over and over again on fan posts. Viva La Cisco.
We have him.
Its Beno. See my post about the split guard position that is evolving here in Sacramento.
by Mr. Dave Washington on Jul 1, 2010 11:14 PM PDT reply actions
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I know i don't know it all... its just what my parents call me
by Mr. Know it all on Jul 1, 2010 11:21 PM PDT reply actions
Kevin F*cking Martin
I couldn’t help myself, but the entire time (except for defense), all I could think of was Kevin Martin. I will never feel like they gave that experiment enough time and will always feel like extraneous factors blew up what seemed like the ideal situation.
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agreed
especially after we grabbed a few bigs in the draft. While Carl Landry seems to be almost expendable now, we cant overlook the fact that he filled a major hole in our team at the time of the trade. Its funny that our one hole at the start of this year is the one “sure thing” we had at the start of last year.
If JT/Cousins/Whiteside progress well this year, I wouldnt be surprised to see Landry traded for another guard. I suspect we could get some good talent for him, since he is young, efficient, and an expiring contract.
CP3=TBB
I used realgm.com and was able to trade Garcia, Thompson, and Casspi to New Orleans for CP3 and Marcus Thornton. I think Having Cp3 at the 1, Evans at the 2, Greene or Landry at the 3, Landry or Cousins at the 4 and Dalembert at the 5 would be a great starting 5. According to realgm.com we would give up 8.5 rebounds a game but I think our bigs would be able to make up for it nicely. Do you guys like the idea or no and why not?
Wait, was this actually a serious comment?
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Yea
that’s why I gave the url for others to check into it and give their opinion. Paul is on the trading block and we need a point guard and shooting guard. The trade fulfills both needs.
I was unaware that the Hornets needed to trade away Chris Paul for inferior talent.
I don’t think Chris Paul is remotely close to being on the trading block (with the Pacers you actually heard actual rumored trades being talked about. With Chris Paul it was just speculation by writers or fans of different teams thinking “hey the Hornets are losing money they better trade Chris Paul.” The Hornets would go bankrupt without Paul. They aren’t going to think about trading him until he has one year left on his contract. He is the draw for them in New Orleans.
And to think Chris Paul AND Thorton are going to be given up for Thompson, Casspi, and Garcia? That is flat out the most amazingly one sided trade I have ever read.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
IM SORRY
I SHOULD HAVE PUT SOMEBODY THAT IS TERRIBLE TO BE THE TBB. MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE SAID WE SHOULD GO SIGN SHAUN LIVINGSTON AND JORDAN FARMAR. WHAT WAS I THINKING??!!
Hey no worries. You don't have to be sorry.
I’m just giving you a heads up that people won’t take that kind of argument seriously.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
In all honesty though
I dont think the trade would be any more terrible that then vlade-kobe trade or Ron Artest-Donte Greene trade. Don’t get me wrong, Greene is a good player and everything, but I would still rather have Artest in a Kings uniform no matter how odd that guy is.
You do remember that the Vlade trade was a long time ago when people weren't exactly sure about high schoolers right? And Kobe was just out of high school and didn't play in the NBA yet right? Heck Todd Fuller was drafted in front of him.
As for the Ron Artest trade, that trade included the draft pick for Casspi. Plus, Artest is insane. Plus, Artest is not Chris Paul.
With all honesty, I am guessing you are pretty young. I am going to back off on this but just letting you know it was a pretty darn amazing unfair trade. It is what it is. If you really want to argue that it isn’t bad maybe you can make a fanpost with a poll asking how crazy the trade idea was (I wouldn’t advise doing this though).
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Casspi...right!
So now we’re discussing the idea that Casspi is better than Artest? Scratches Head Did you watch the Finals this year? He was the reason L.A. won. The guy locks people down. He’s one the best defenders in the league. Sure Casspi is young, shoots okay, and is better than Greene but he’s not an Artest. Casspi isn’t great at defense. He’s not all that quick either. Laugh at me on threads all day I dont care. I have the right to be laughed at and state my opinion lol
I'm sorry but when did I say Casspi was better than Artest?
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
I was saying the trade netted as Greene and Casspi
I didn’t say either one was better. I also mentioned the fact that Artest was insane. I wanted to stress that because I don’t think the team could trust him on his last year of his deal. Well, maybe the could trust him to act alright in that one year, but either way it would probably be in the team’s best interest to trade him and get some long term value back because the team wasn’t going to be winning with Artest anyway.
Yeah I know Artest is better than Casspi. Don’t put words in my mouth.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
....
you never once mentioned Greene. You said the trade netted us Casspi. As if Casspi is the answer to our woes. I think he’s good, but Artest for Casspi and Greene? Really? If Casspi was this great guy everyone makes him out to be, why do NBA analyst all say that the Kings need to fill the void at the 3? They aren’t starters yet.
Ug,
I didn’t “mention greene because you already did.” You know exactly what I was saying.
You
bq. I dont think the trade would be any more terrible that then vlade-kobe trade or Ron Artest-Donte Greene trade.
My response
bq. As for the Ron Artest trade, that trade included the draft pick for Casspi
And yes, neither Greene or Casspi are starters. I never said they were. In fact, considering Casspi would be one of the two big players in that wonderful Chris Paul trade offer that I thought was pretty crazy, I am pretty sure I don’t overvalue Casspi.
I personally would do the Artest trade over again. Artest was going to be a free agent, the team sucked, and he wasn’t coming back. I would at that point prefer the prospects. Two prospects for an expiring talented headcase isn’t that horrid. And it is not nearly as horrid as trading Chris Paul AND Thornton to get Casspi and Jason Thompson
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 2, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
block quote fail
You
I dont think the trade would be any more terrible that then vlade-kobe trade or Ron Artest-Donte Greene trade.
My response
As for the Ron Artest trade, that trade included the draft pick for Casspi
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 2, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
I’m done with this idea. I just read on NBA.COM that Dampier has a special contract that doesnt guarantee he has to get payed. His contract is $13 million and in the final year. Think it would be a good idea we trade for him and waive him before the season? It would save 13 million…
How would it save us $13 million? We would have to give Dallas $13 million of salary to make that work.
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 2, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
lmao
just act like the last five words of that comment aren’t there(o_0) do u think he’d be worth grabbing? with a contract like his and 2011free agency just a year away?
That doesn't make any sense
1. Why would the Mavs trade him to us? If they can trade him for a good player with a massive contract, they would prefer to do that. If they can’t trade him for anything they want, wouldn’t they just prefer to waive him?
2. Why the heck would the Kings want to take on the $13 million in salary. That makes no sense. And what is the point of trading for him to cut him? They could just not trade for him and have the same exact savings. This doesn’t make any logical sense.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 2, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
You're not very smart are you DMC?
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by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
flagged?
I’m not entirely sure of the rules on here, but in all the other posts, they were (more or less) arguing over basketball related topics. While I agree with wally more than DMC, I think this comment was too personal. It wasn’t exactly vicious, but it was below the belt.
lol Honestly, I’m scared as hell to flag someone like you who is one of the more prominent figures on here, and who I have seen make some absolutely BRILLIANT arguments on here. lol please dont take it personal!!
(If the powers that be decide pookey’s post was fine, feel free to flag this and delete it, to save myself from looking like a d-bag)
by gregsactly on Jul 2, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not sure if that's enough to get flagged to be honest
But then again, I only flag when there is spam or when someone starts throwing up Nazi pictures.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Two things
1. This made me laugh for a solid 3 minutes straight.
2. I am a complete hypocrite because a few months back I posted a hitler cat.
(BTW for others not named Widowwolf, when I said I would flag Nazi pictures, I meant ones that were intended to be treated somewhat seriously)
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 2, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What he said was stupid. That's why i said what I did.
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Oh.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
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No reason to be mad.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
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Actually,
That was a pretty impressive display of restraint by pookey.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 4, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
those red flags about his immaturity
are overblown. all the other 29 franchises are going to regret not having pookey as a fan.
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by LaBradford on Jul 5, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
kings needs a 6th gear
on that list i think i’d prefer brewer the most because of his defense, size, etc it would match with the new ‘big’ look to the roster.
that being said – i think the things the kings could really use at this poing it a lightniing quick pg. i’m not talking about getting CP3 in a trade or anything. i’m talking about a young back up that might play 10-15 mins a night but has speed, quickness and can push the ball up the floor. something like a young edney or pre-injury tj ford.
with the current roster i foresee long stretches this year where they have a hard time getting the ball in the hoop. this is not the most gifted offensive team with a lot of streaky shooters. the kings need to be able to get some easy buckets to take the pressure off their half-court offense. a quick guard that pushes the ball would get guys like JT, SD, DG, and Whiteside some easy buckets.
With the current roster I see Cisco having to play some backup PG and he is the anti-fastbreak.
mikhail torrance
i think teams are permitted to sign him with available cap room or an exception, right?
you could give him a 3 yr deal at $1.5M per. probably what he was going to get if he’d been a mid to late round 1st rounder. could be a great investment. if he doesn’t pan out, not a huge burden, either.
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Torrance went undrafted for a reason
I was high on him too but he had a heart problem. That’s why he went undrafted. He’ll be lucky to have guaranteed money going into his rookie season.
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yeah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athlete%27s_heart
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BACK TO SPORTS PEOPLE
Donte would make a good guard but i think physically he couldnt make the adjustment and i think randy foye would help tryeke
how would donte make a good guard?
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Given he can't drive with the ball worth a lick and did horrible defensively at the guard position.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Exactly.
Ball-handling definitely not his strength.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 4, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Couple interesting guys I didn't see anywhere else on here
Wilson Chandler – Under contract in NY, biter know how they love cap space.
Kirk Hinrich – Kinda pricy, so I’m glad we didn’t make the deal the Wizards did, but he fits the TBB requirements pretty well.
Caron Butler – Not gonna happen, but he fits well.
Nicholas Batum – Again, not gonna happen. But a good fit.
Corey Brewer – Started hitting some threes last year. Doubt MIN moves him, but he’d fit fairly well with Tyreke. Not a good ball-handler though.
Manu Ginobili – [/wetdream]
Arron Afflalo – Great fit, but they’re not moving him cheap. And yeah I know he’s been mentioned; I agree with whoever’s idea it was.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jul 3, 2010 3:01 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Fail
“biter = but we”. Thanks iPhone.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jul 3, 2010 3:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Jamaal Crawford?
Not sure if ATL is willing to part with the reigning 6th man, but if JJ signs a max deal, they could be looking to shed some cap space. He can shoot and handle the ball. A capable defender, althouugh not great. He is quick enough to stay with most guards if he commits to that end of the floor. what do you all think?
i doubt they will do that..
Otherwise they would be moving backwards. He was a key to their success off the bench IMO.
Francisco Garcia
I think Garcia checks a lot (clearly not all) of those boxes. I think his play next year will be critical. Clearly they’ll have to sign one other guy, at least. Our 3’s are versatile, but I don’t think you can go a season with only three guards. Hopefully we don’t overpay.
But, for the time being, I think you give Francisco a considerable about of minutes. Hopefully he finds his stroke. He tries hard on defense, is a veteran, and plays fairly smart. I also don’t think you have to give some love to Beno. He and Tyreke played pretty well last year. However, I do not think a combo of Beno and Tyreke will do enough to get the ball to the bigs in the post. Both tend to look for their shot early and often.
Also, is Tyreke going to run the pick and roll? If not, who is going to? I picture DMC being great in the pick and roll, and the pick and pop. He needs to be utilized. I think this is something Tyreke should definitely add to his game. One of the things that makes primary ballhandlers great is their ability to run the pick and roll.
by KeonClark on Jul 4, 2010 2:33 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
to be honest...
i think Cisco Kid may not be here too much longer. i think they are hoping he has a great year. but that may make him more attractive to other teams and the Kings would probably try to trade him and get something more valuable for him. maybe get another top 23 pick in the draft and start over. dont get me wrong i love garcia. but unless he has a break out year i think he will be somewhere else.
Would not mind
Jchill.
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by 'tough as nails' spence on Jul 4, 2010 5:07 AM PDT reply actions
I wish we could land Raja Bell.
After all the arguments, he was the first guy that popped in my head that seems to fit.
On a side note, Fran Garcia was in Singapore with Basketball Without Borders Asia 2010. A Filipino teen, Mario Emmanuel Bonleon won the 3pt contest among all participants and had the chance to go up against Fran in the ‘final’. The result?
Spot the difference:
1. StarHub Shooting Star Award – Mario Emmanuel Bonleon (Philippines)
The winner of the 3-Point Contest, Mario Bonleon proved himself to be the best 3-point shooter among the participants of the camp. He also defeated Francisco Garcia (Sacramento Kings) in a 3-Point shootout to claim bragging rights. (Source: www.singaporesports.sg)
In the end, Bonleon claimed the title. He then challenged Francisco Garcia to round of three-pointers, *but NBA experience outweighed the eager camper. (Source: www.nba.com/bucks)
NBA. Where players can’t lose to teenagers.
This.
and Raja is a pretty good defender
there’s a rumor that Kobe and the Lakers want him. but if the Kings could snatch him up, maybe he’ll do what something like what he does in this picture:
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/kobe-lakers-want-raja-bell-in-free-agency.php
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I think Childress would be an ideal fit
I’d forgotten about him, but he brings everything you’d want out of a SG to pair with Tyreke. He’s a good ball-handler, shooter, finisher, and defender. And he’s still only 26. He does everything Cisco does, only with more athleticism and consistency.
Jon Scheyer
Fits all of these categories, except he will probably be signed by the Wiz
6’5, not a great defender, but played very hard at Duke where they always play tough man to man D and he can defend either guard position
High Character Guy- also a winner
Good 3 point shooter, better set than off the dribble
Good Ball handler
No risk cheap contract, if it doesnt work out then oh well, hes the 12th guy.
Reality is we are not going to sign a FA for anything over the minimum unless a vet really falls to us for whatever reason. So an undrafted FA or a servicable vet is best case scenario in my opinion.
He may favor Sac with a better opportunity to see the court not playing behind Wall, Hinrich and Arenas
I'm not, strangely, against this.
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He does have some family in the area
I don’t know the specifics – I met a cousin of his once that lives out here. And he’s Jewish, so he could take over “Jewish Heritage Night” duties for Omri.
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Sounds like a pretty good fit.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 5, 2010 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather see the Kings take on a rookie SG that they can develop than a PG
it just seems that the rookie PG’s are just too turnover prone.
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DX projects Sheyer as a 2 guard
One that can handle a bit, which is the kind of guy that might work best in concert with Evans.
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Yup.
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Yep, I know. just worded header wrong
Not really athletic and short wingspan, but good 3pt numbers from the college 3, very good assist numbers for a 2 and decent steals average.
Could be a decent role player if he can defend.
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He's a decent fit,
but he’s really not a very talented basketball player. He’s VERY unathletic, very slow, will definitely not be able to guard anyone at the NBA level. Would have no qualms about him being the 12th man, but counting on him as a rotation player would be foolish IMO.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jul 5, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I really don't understand the fascination with Jon Scheyer
Really unathletic, shot less than 40%, not quick enough to be an NBA PG, undersized for SG.
Honestly, if he went to school outside of North Carolina would anyone be talking about him?
Yes
The Jews would still be talking about him, even if he did not play in North Carolina.
Shalom, y’all!
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yes they would
people usually talk about you when you are the best player or 1b on the NCAA Champions
by OKO on Jul 5, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I would challenge that
Zoubek was more important to that team than Sheyer. He was a clone of many others on that team who can shoot.
We Should Add Gerald Green!
We should add Gerald Green the winner of the 2007 Dunk Contest… He has alot of potential and still young… very athletic, good offense game… need someone like that to psych up the team at times
This has to be Gerald
Or his agent. Or his mama.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 6, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
It's a bit weird.
The only blog he’s a member of is ours, and his only comment is this one (many times).
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