StR Community Free Agent Board, Pick 12
Anthony Morrow and John Salmons were apparently the two most popular options on the board yesterday. LeBron, D-Wade, Bosh, Joe Johnson, Dirk, Gay, Amar'e, Redick, Ray Allen, Morrow, and Salmons are off the board. Who you got next?
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Carlos Boozer for the 3rd time.
Only going to be 29 next year, very efficient scorer (57.7% career TS%), great rebounder (26.9% career DRB%), decent passer (13.8% career AST%), and underrated defender, although he has trouble with taller players.
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I just hold what he did to the Cavs against him...
its a FACT that you cant take him at his word. So if I cant trust a guy, I don’t want him on my team.
No thanks to an over-paid-liar who cant help us beat the [REDACTED].
"I have talent that's there, but I just have the mentality right now that I just want to be the greatest. And I don't think that any other player has that right now." -DeMarcus Cousins
by Noble_Bloodlines on Jul 1, 2010 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Boozer was playing beside Fesenko and Koufos against LA in the playoffs
He’d be playing with Dalembert and Cousins and Whiteside in Sacramento. And Thompson.
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And he still cant get it done 1-on-1 against ANY of LA's big 3.
And again, dude lies through his teeth. I don’t want him around my rookies, and I don’t want to overpay an undersized PF to come be a malcontent for 2 or 3 years and then leave. Especially when we already have all the bigs we need.
"I have talent that's there, but I just have the mentality right now that I just want to be the greatest. And I don't think that any other player has that right now." -DeMarcus Cousins
by Noble_Bloodlines on Jul 1, 2010 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fuck no on Boozer. Would take way too much money to get him here, and he isn't a franchise player, even though it would take near franchise player cash to get him here.
I’ll pass. And I’ll continue to pass every time he appears on the board.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 1, 2010 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Random aside on Carlos Boozer:
Watching his high school team was pure comedy. Their strategy was essentially to throw the ball near the basket and watch him jump over everyone else to dunk it. I’m sure that’s the case for all high school stars but it was still hilarious.
You from Alaska? If so, what part?
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
On no I am in Sac
My only experiences in Alaska are in the southern part. My step brother lived near Juneau for a while when in Americore and my grandpa takes some of us grandkids fishing every other summer out around Sitka.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Somehow I've never been down to the panhandle.
What fishing we do is in or off of the Kenai Peninsula. A lot of good fishing to be had in AK!
Yeah you definitely aren't kidding about the fishing.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
After reading Eagle Blue
I’d be more interested to watch the native kids play. Not professional hoopers or anything, but a lot of kids laying it out on the line. I’m amazed any kids play hoop in Alaska let alone a lot of them that do.
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Huh!
I’d never heard of that book, looks really interesting. Where those kids live (150 miles north of Fairbanks or so) is brutal country, absolutely brutal.
Yeah that's where they live
The village is Fort Yukon. The book is “Eagle Blue” by Michael D’Orso. Really interesting stuff.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
You mean logic wins.
BTW love the avatar. I think we have the two best ones on StR now.
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You're delusional. My avatar rules all and Boozer is way over rated and would cost way way way too much to get him to come to Sactown.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 1, 2010 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I do love your avatar.
It’s my twitter background.
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Well, I'll follow you for that.
but only for that.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 1, 2010 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions
?
You mean the South, right?
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
my bad...
hard tell sarcasm sometimes…still learning the posters here
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 2, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but it's spicy and you have to eat rice while tweeting
I’m following you Aykis, but not sure why you then decided to follow me. I’ve never tweeted and have no intention of ever doing so. It is nice to have someone other than the random hooker try to follow me though. So, there is that. ;-p
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 2, 2010 4:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree with that
However, I’m going to vote based on talent alone. I think Boozer will be past his prime by the time Reke and Cousins hit their’s. But a guy with his talent might drag this team into the playoffs and get them some big game experience
#vfettkefordraft
Exactly
the vitriol directed at him sounds immature to me. He can score, he can rebound, and he is efficient.
You would play Boozer (great name) over JT/Landry/Cousins?
I wouldn’t…We dont need any more bigs, we could use another 3 and some backcourt help (especially at the 2)…
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure if this has been pointed out
But FWIW, Boozer is two (2) months older than Wade, and they’ve both had their share of injuries. Not saying they’re on the same level. But I do think it’s silly that some (not you) throw the idea of Boozer out the window because he’s too old, and presumably will be overpaid. When are we ever going to be able to convince a 26 year old who is definitely worth max money to come to Sac?
by furious.d on Jul 1, 2010 5:16 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I still love Chilldress
but where is Ronnie Brewer? He should be listed here now.
"Seriously guys, why are they pissed off? Because of the rape... are you sure? That doesn't add up." - Daniel Tosh on Kobe Bryant
Vote for other then.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Nope, sticking with J-Chill for now.
"Seriously guys, why are they pissed off? Because of the rape... are you sure? That doesn't add up." - Daniel Tosh on Kobe Bryant
That's the Raymond Felton option, just minus a bit of athleticism - add passing skills and a better outside shot
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Brewer is a bit taller, as well.
"Seriously guys, why are they pissed off? Because of the rape... are you sure? That doesn't add up." - Daniel Tosh on Kobe Bryant
I totally agree with you on Brewer...
After Joe Johnson & Rudy Gay (pipedreams, I know), Brewer and Salmons were my top choices…
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Childress too
He’s a good player and would fit in well here with his style of play…
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Had to go with Felton
Probably could be had for a reasonable contract, fills out our lacking back court depth, and is a solid, talented player.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
voted for
jchill
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by 'tough as nails' spence on Jul 1, 2010 8:06 AM PDT reply actions
Voted for Boozer.
He’s like Landry on roids.
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I voted "Other" again
to again express my opinion that we shouldn’t sign any of these guys, as they don’t fit with the long term rebuild. The large majority of the team is 3 years in or less, and won’t contend for a championship for at least 2-3 years, the CBA is looming, and signing an expensive free-agent for 3 years doesn’t make sense unless he’s going to be a strong mentor to the younguns.
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 1, 2010 8:18 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Which is why
I’ll never vote for Carlos Boozer, even if we go to round 25. He’s not a good fit for this team, where it stands today.
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 1, 2010 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ridiculous
how has boozer fallen? Why would anyone be in favor of bringing Salmons back?
Has anyone actually watched Morrow play? I’m subjected to a lot of Warriors games. The guy cannot dribble to save his life. He’s one of the worst defenders in the league. He can’t rebound. He can shoot, but only in catch and shoot opportunities. He has zero ability to create his own shot. The guy is a role-player, at very best. His shooting is helpful, but being bad at everything else pertaining to basketball makes him a liability when he’s on the court.
Darn good role player I suppose
when he gets older and people stop pretending he could be more than a role player he could be a nice addition to a team for a decent price.
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 1, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
thanks Keon
He is very one-dimensional. He happens to be spectacular at that one aspect, but pretty lacking otherwise. He is going to get overpaid for being a three point specialist, but Korver and Kapono have carved whole careers out of it.
I think the polls would be more accurate
if there was a “nobody” choice, I suspect it might get a few votes
Again, Boozer
I am running out of ways to try to explain that talent wins basketball games.
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Got me a sig line out of it though
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 1, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Talent is not, however, the only criteria people are using
There is the cost of the contract and what that means for the team long term. Who don’t we sign that we develop by getting Boozer for 5 year?
There is timing. Why do we need to invest in a FA at near of close to max now. We don’t even know what talent we have in our newbies this year yet and still get more newbies to build on next year.
There is value added. We have a short PF in Landry who can score 17 points a game for 1/4 to 1/3 of what Boozer would cost us. Do we really get 3 times the value in Boozer?
Sure, if talent was the only criteria we would have clearer and more unanimous voting, but in this scenario it may not even be people’s main criteria.
I would have to ask why so many people are ignoring so many other considerations. GMs do not just go off of talent alone.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
by MustangMBS on Jul 1, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fair points
I would counter with “People are voting instead for Raymond Effing Felton”
I would understand if people preferred David Lee, or Josh Childress. I could even understand why people might rationalize Paul Pierce here. Hell, I can understand every objection you make. However, based on these threads, I don’t think these are the reasons why people are passing on Boozer (or any of the other guys I mentioned).
As for your points, I would say the following:
Cost: Boozer will be overpaid. I acknowledge this. However, so will the “potential” guys like Reddick, Raymond Effing Felton, or Anthony Effing Morrow (funny how Morrow and Felton have the same middle name). But with those guys you’re talking about developing a player. Trying to coax potential out of a player. With Boozer, he is in his prime. You do not need to develop him. And yes, we have Landry. But Boozer makes either Landry or JT expendable and you can trade for a guard with “potential”.
Timing: We don’t know what talent we have now, this is true. But what if Cousins, Whiteside and/or JT don’t pan out? Do you pass on Boozer because those guys might fulfill their potential? And if those guys become great, Boozer is another trade chip. With Dalembert, Boozer, and Tyreke, I honestly believe this team would be in or near the playoffs this season, and the team would be on the rise.
Value added: Yes, we have Landry. But Boozer makes either Landry or JT expendable and you can trade for a guard who adds value.
To be perfectly clear, I do not expect the Kings to sign Boozer. Not even close. But if we’re building our wish list, I believe he should be higher on that list than guys whose middle names are Effing.
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by Exhibit G on Jul 1, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
why not
just sign a guard who adds value and skip the middle man?
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 1, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Guards
Which guard out there gives you the talent increase that Boozer provides?
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I disagree that he provides a talent boost if it means...
that JT or Landry are sent packing…no thank you on any expensive player this year with new more rational CBA forthcoming…
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes...
If it means that we lose JT or Landry wit his arrival…I like the JT/Landry combo (and price) more than a Boozer/JT or Boozer/Landry combo…
I dont get all the love for Boozer…I really dont. JT is more physical (but less athletic) and has much more desire (goin for loose balls and getting back on D) while Landry can score and rebound almost as effectively as Boozer who is getting older and would require us to mortgage our future slightly…
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Landry is a horrible rebounder
And Boozer scores as efficiently, if not more so, while being an above average rebounder.
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Yeah
with not disrespect to Landry, he is not going to be a 20-10 machine like Boozer, who is efficient as well.
Yeah...I was off on that one...
You’re right…he is not nearly as good a rebounder as Boozer…I just read what I wrote yesterday and I was thinking…“why did I say that he was as effective a rebounder”…I still believe that signing Boozer would be a mistake. I simply dont think he is worth the money and with JTs overall abilities and Landry’s scoring that we would be able to cope without the pain of Boozer’s contract in Reke’s final contract years. When we should be a contender, I worry about being in cap trouble, I have no idea what the next CBA will entail; but I believe the contracts are supposed to be more reasonable (or at least not guarnateed).
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 2, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I have to say I enjoy a well thought our response such as this one.
Cost is a real thing and Boozer is way up there. Since we have a few more years before we really compete most people, me at least, seem inclined to wait until we are almost there. We will have a new CBA and players will be cheaper.
Timing getting a FA is pretty damned important. We get the wrong guy at the wrong time and we are screwed. We won’t be able to trade him as you suggest because he will be so damned expensive given the new, lesser, salary levels and we could hurt ourselves. What if they don’t pan out? What if they do? We need more time to see and then plug our holes when we are ready to make a run for it. Cousins and Whiteside might be our next dynamic duo and they are worth checking out.
Our long term success is also contingent upon have many talented players. We can’t afford to give up young talent if we are rebuilding through the draft. That being the most economical way to build a team and the stated method the Kings are using means that Boozer or similar don’t really fit. If we are going to build long-term and have long-term success then we need salary flexibility to sign the guys than pan out. Tying up our salary would mean we can’t sign those guys and we will end up bleeding talent and making other teams better by harvesting our good young’uns.
There is no hurry. I don’t get the hurry or feel like I want to be part of a FA frenzy that leaves teams with very expensive contracts that they won’t be able to move later if they need to do that. Been there done that.
I also disagree that people are voting Felton just for his sake or for his talent. I would say that people are narrowing down some parameters around making decisions. Kind of like what making a positives and negatives list can do for you.
This is, IMO, apples to oranges compared to what you are doing. You are looking at this, it seems, as if it is the draft. In the draft the salary is all set and it really is just the talent that drives the decision. Just get the BPA, but signing FAs is completely different. You don’t just get the BPA. You have to consider A LOT more factors.
I will take a chance of Effing because I have always thought that is a lot of fun and a Effing talent that can be had for a reasonable expense, that doesn’t tie up huge long-term salary amounts, and that provides a team positional need that fits within my lists of positives and negatives or pros and cons.
It isn’t so much who the player is, but what they represent in terms of a lot more than just talent.
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by MustangMBS on Jul 2, 2010 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
you said it better than I could
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 2, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks!
I get where G is coming from and can agree that Boozer is a real talent. Better than most that have won out, but there is just so many other things to consider…
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
so who is he playing in front of?
Cousins? JT? Landry? You could argue he’s more effective than all three but realistically those guys are part of our plans moving forward, and for the $10M+ Boozer would command, he’s got to be a cornerstone of your franchise, and it just ain’t gonna happen. If these guys all played for free, then sure, sign him up. But they don’t, and he’s not worth the cash to this team given our other investments at that position.
He's a significant upgrade over JT or Landry
You can trade either one for a quality guard. He would be a cornerstone of the franchise, along with Cousins and Tyreke. To say you don’t want Boozer as a cornerstone because JT and Landry are “part of our plans moving forward” is counterintuitive.
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I wouldn't want Boozer as a cornerstone
because I think that model has already been demonstrated to fail (i.e. in Utah where he was coupled with other high level talent). You really think Boozer + Evans = a championship contender? Right now, younger talent that’s still developing is a better match for the kings vs. an established (and admittedly more effective today player) talent like Boozer. The point being, we’re not trying to maximize wins next year, we’re trying to built towards a franchise that compete with the best in a few years.
Okay, first thing is that I could care less about the Kings going out and signing somone. I understand if they don't want to do it.
But yeah technically I would absolutely want Boozer over the rest of these guys. All of these guys are going to be overpaid, I would rather take Boozer for the talent and try and move Landry. If I could get away with paying Boozer a massive amount of money for the next 4 years (yes I know I am fully assuming something that is likely to not happen but then again this is part of the reason why I could care less about signing anyone) and trading Landry for a guard, frickin awesome.
Boozer would likely not help us win a championship but who gives a shit. We would be winning more games which tends to help out in it’s own right. It’s not selling out the future either. I don’t think he would be such a massive hinderance to JT or Cousins (given Dalembert would likely be let go the next year. And yes I would rather have Boozer than Dalembert). If you are really worried about Whiteside then I can’t help you. Anyway, after four years you move on. I don’t see how he would hurt us.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 1, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Again
It’s hypothetical, but of course I would move Landry and let Sammy expire, and try and move forward with Boozer-Cuz-JT, and use the money from Landry and Sammy to get a SG.
But, I think Boozer lands in Orlando in a sign and trade, with the Jazz getting a package that includes Gortat, to shore up any worries about Okur.
A Boozer, Howard front court would be frickin evil to deal with
Orlando would have to change up their strategy but that would be one evil frontcourt
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 1, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Not convinced...
He’s a significant upgrade over JT or Landry
He is talented…but IMO, he is not SOOOO much more talented than the other two, plus he has hit his ceiling, whereas JT still has a lot of upside and Landry has a little upside left in him as well…
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
totally disagree on Landry
Landry will cost a lot after this year and has little more to offer. He is who he is.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
About Landry...
I said:
Landry has a little upside left in him as well
I dont want to say he wont get better, because this was his first year getting starting minutes without there being an injury in front of him…so I think he may have a little upside left…I dojt thin we keep him next year…so it was not in my calculations…if we went after Boozer, it would cost a lot…so that did factor in with me…
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow
Boozer 17.2 ppg, 10.2 rpg, .5 blk, 2.5 ast
Landry 12.2 ppg, 5.3 rpg, .5 blk, 0.7 ast
JT 11.8 ppg, 7.9 rpg, .8 blk, 1.4 ast
Look, I like JT, but I’m not sure how much higher his ceiling will be. He could be great, but his top potential is probably about where Boozer would be right now.
As wally said, Landry gets expensive after this season too. And Landry is only 2 years younger than Boozer.
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That was with Boozer as the #2 option...
and JT as the #4 and with JT and Landry splitting a lot of minutes…ppm/prm/apm would be a better stat to compare…
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry
*prm → rpm
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Who were the 3 options in front of Thompson?
I count 2.
Either way, when look at per 36 numbers and rebounding percentages
Points: Boozer by about 6
Rebounds: Boozer
Assists: Boozer
Steals: Boozer
Blocks: JT
FG%: Boozer big time
TS%: Boozer big time
TRB%: Boozer big time
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
I was thinking
- Reke, #2 Landry, #3 Beno, # Landry
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow....messed that up
- JT
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
AHHH!
Damn formatting…#4 JT
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay enough is enough
Boozer is infinitely more talented than the 2nd closest person on this list. At some point talent has to outweigh the other factors.
And it seems that whoever is newly added to the poll somehow rises to win that poll
BTW, There is no way I would want John Salmons back….he doesnt fit well with Tyreke at all, Salmons is a 1on1 player.
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C-Booz infinitely more talented than David Lee? Lee is a rebound and scoring machine and he is durable. He is the 1st player since 1976 (I think it was)
To score 40 points, have 20 rebounds, and 10 assits. I’ve said D-Lee the past 3 or 4 rounds.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
I could accept people favoring Lee
I disgaree, but I could understand it. Raymond Felton blows my mind.
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Why do you disagree, cuz D-Lee plays for coach mikey D? He has always beeen a rebound machine, even before D'antoni came.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
I would prefer Boozer over Lee but I can see someone prefering Lee
I could care less about the 40 point game. Both Lee and Boozer have about the same rebounding rate. I trust Boozer’s scoring and am nervous about Lee’s defense. But yeah Lee has been healthier.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 1, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
hmm...didnt see Lee
ill reword it…Boozer is more talented than Lee…
And Boozer and Lee are infinitely more talented than the next closest person on that list
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by Surprise Team on Jul 1, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
fk i didnt see paul pierce
whatever pierce is too old anyways and wouldnt want to come here
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by Surprise Team on Jul 1, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
lol, ust about to say that. Booz wants max money, D-lee is more in the teen millions not the twenty millions.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
I know this is of the the subject but...
Did you see that Drew Gooden got $32 Million for 5 yrs from the Bucks?? It’s contracts like that that make me appreciate Geoff Petrie that much more.
That sounds like the contract Geoff gave John Salmons 4 years ago LOL
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Yeah but
I don’t recall anyone saying that was bad contract. In fact didn’t people say he was such a good trade asset cuz is contract was "reasonable with his production’? But Gooden?? 8 teams in 8 years Gooden??
but he produces everywhere
I dont get why Gooden has bounced around so much. He can score and rebound. I think he is a great fit for the Bucks.
He is known as a bit of a space cadet. Plus, I think another reason is just because he was in freak situations where he was basically just part of a packaged trade.
Traded from Memphis to Orland in the Mike Miller trade I seem to recall.
No clue why Orlando traded him to Cleveland (guessing because he’s a space cadet).
Cleveland to Chicago was just because they were getting rid of Larry Hughes and taking on Ben Wallace’s contract
Chicago to Sac just because Chicago got a sweat deal from Sac.
Dallas to Washington because Dallas got a sweet deal from Washington.
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 1, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 1, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Kidding
It’s someone who is just kind of not all there in the head at the time. The type of person who gets distracted easily. Like in that kids movie Up! with the dog and how he SQUIRREL! … sorry what was I saying?
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 1, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh you mean like section? lol j/k 214; that is why everyone called radmonovich the space cadet
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
I meant kidding with the moon guy picture up above. That wasn't my real answer
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 1, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
poor attempt at humor by me
but yes radmonovich is a good example
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 1, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I know you were kidding about the picture, do you realy think I'm
that stupid? lol
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
Speak of the Devil
Salmons about to get $39 mil for 5yrs from the Bucks.
Now that is an awful contract
My guess is John Salmons goes back to disappearing in games almost immediately.
Keelly dwyer did a very good jb at summing up how I feel about JJ’;s max contract
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
IMO
It’s not worse that Rashard Lewis getting the Max. At least JJ does more than shoot 3’s.
Agreed
Both do not deserve the max but I’d choose JJ over RL every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Depends on your situation; rashard lewis is a clutch playoff performer (YOu can't really mind this year b/c he was forced to play PF when he is an SF)
Neither of them deserve a Max deal, but I think I’d take Lewis b/c he can put up 20 points easily and throws a men entry pass; whereas JJ is ball-dominating and gets tired easily. (Especially the playoffs)
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
Really? Rashard is a clutch playoff performer?
Learn something new every day.
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 1, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I said you shouldn't count this year, he had to play PF when his natural position is SF.
Lewis sniped the cavs dead last season and his play in the first two rounds were just ownage. His play in the ecf was magnified and he was playing with a viral infection. You can look at how charlote got destroyed by three pointers and the person chucking those three pointers was named rashard lewis.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
I don't care what position he plays.
and then he went to Los Angeles and put up 17.4 PPG off of 40.5% FG. Did put up 7.6 boards for that series though
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 1, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
he is friggin sf, sf don't need that good of a fg% wally; Lewis play SF in his first 9 years in seattle along w/ ray allen and boy were they successful
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
So it's okay a SF to shoot 40.5% from the field?
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 1, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
and if it is okay for a SF to shoot that low a percentage, then why is their a more strict standard for Joe Johnson?
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 1, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
No it isn't but that isn't the worst % you can shoot when going up against trevor freaking ariza; you def. need to cut lewis some slack.
Lewis is a very talented player and needs to come by more offensive oppurtunities at the sf position b/c he isn’t built to play pf. As an sf he can play the low-block (like he did in seattle) and can also score from the wing. Then they can cross-match him to defend a PF b/c he is better at guarding pf than sf. That is why I’d take Lewis over JJ.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
Heads up, Amare broke off talks with the Suns
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 1, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Where'd you here this? I don't believe you!
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
truehoop
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 1, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I heard that from Ric Bucher
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
Are you serious??
He averaged 12.9pts in the playoffs this year. He’s one dimensional. He shoots 3’s. thats it. Doesn’t rebound well, pass well, or defend well. He just "doesn’t’. And he’s played PF as long as he’s been there. Even last year. Hedo played the 3 and Lewis the 4. Which I never understood.
Actually I take back that he doesn't rebound well.
5.6 in the playoffs. Not bad for someone who weighs 215lbs.
He doesn't rebound well for his height, but an SF is not meant to be a good rebounder.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
Yeah 5.6 isn't bad
for a SF. Especially for someone who plays mostly on the perimeter. But no matter what you say Rashard Lewis in NOT a max player.
Hey that is a fierce 9.6% rebounding percentage
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 1, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
R. Lewis had to play the third option on his team this season whn he is a number two scoring option; for years when he was in seattle and the first few years in orlando. His season was F'ed up b/c of his 10 game suspension and the fact that he fell back
in the ranks I have a nice link here if you want to see the better explanation
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
You're digging yorself a deeper hole with this one.
I will say this frist. I don’t blame Rashard for taking the contract. Anybody would. But why would you give Max money to someone who YOU just said is the third option. Again, not his fault Orlando threw all that money at him. But IMO Orlando never should have offered him the max.
He shouldn't be the third option offensively, he is def. a second option; I thought we were discussing who I'd rather rather regardless of the contract. With the contract warranted,
I’d rather kill myself then pay JJ or Lewis max money.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
For context. Seems you guys were talking about cluthiness
IMO It’s not worse that Rashard Lewis getting the Max. At least JJ does more than shoot 3’s.
by StevenG
Depends on your situation; rashard lewis is a clutch playoff performer (YOu can’t really mind this year b/c he was forced to play PF when he is an SF) Neither of them deserve a Max deal, but I think I’d take Lewis b/c he can put up 20 points easily and throws a men entry pass; whereas JJ is ball-dominating and gets tired easily. (Especially the playoffs)
by Bkj
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 1, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Well then, If I
had the $, then I’d take Lewis b/c lewis is a straight uo baller (If his contract was say 3 years 54 mil) then I’d do that rather than 6 years 119 mil. Both are horrible contracts, but both are also second otions at best. Atlanta doesn’t have a first option, Orlando does.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
I missed the part
where he said neither deserved the max. That’s my bad. The point I was making was that although JJ getting the max was a bad contract, Rashards’ max was worse.
lolm, so it is agreed that neither deserves the max? and that we should take a more frugal approach and not immediately sign two second options first option money?
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
I took a look at his playoff numbers at Basketball Reference
Outside of the 2004-2005 season (which was a pretty woeful playoff performance), his playoff numbers have generally been in line with or slightly better than his regular season numbers.
I’m not sure the term “clutch” would apply to him, but he hasn’t crapped himself for the most part.
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Clutch playoff performer for orlando; he is their go-toguy in the clutch. He almost always performs the best during the playoffs for the magic; clutch as in big shot maker
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by Bkj on Jul 1, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Rudy Gay
is getting the Max from Memphis. Too much???
Yeaaaaahhhh
I think so. I dont know how much of an option Memphis had though. They would have as much as Sactown in tempting big name free agents.
I just heard
the [redacted] have a trade in the works for Chris Paul, giving the Hornets in return Vujacic, Farmar, and the 11 and 12 first round picks. This was my cousin telling me this and he said he saw it on an exclusive latimes.com report, that both sides have agreed but it hasn’t been finalized yet.
Anyone else hear this bullshit?
when will the Kenny Thomas Reign of Terror end?!!??
by diehardkingsfan5 on Jul 1, 2010 12:15 PM PDT reply actions
I'm not buying that
with someone else’s money
lol, they must have wrote that article on weedpoint, lol
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they got
Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown which is about as lopsided
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 1, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Not for nothing,
but Memphis did get Marc Gasol, cap relief, and a a few other pieces in that trade. Still a huge win for L.A., but Memphis actually came out of the deal OK.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
I'm just saying
that when it comes to lopsided trades, LA’s been on the winning side of them before, so even though I want to believe this will never happen, there’s that lingering doubt.
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 1, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
That's what I'm saying
Even though it is almost 100% implausible, there’s still that lingering doubt
when will the Kenny Thomas Reign of Terror end?!!??
by diehardkingsfan5 on Jul 1, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
Farmar is an unrestricted free agent. How exactly is L.A. trading him?
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
Well yeah that's what I thought
but after the Pau trade I have to make sure of any absurd trade
when will the Kenny Thomas Reign of Terror end?!!??
by diehardkingsfan5 on Jul 1, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Big difference
You see, Pau was under contract. So Memphis could trade him. Farmar is not under contract. So L.A. can’t trade him. So, uh, yeah, I’m not sure how much more I can add to this.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
Oh really?
You can’t trade someone when they’re not under contract? I kinda knew that, thanks. But a sign and trade could be possible too. I’m just trying to figure this shit out so I can go kick my cousin’s ass for telling me stupid shit. He knows how gullible I am too
when will the Kenny Thomas Reign of Terror end?!!??
by diehardkingsfan5 on Jul 1, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Farmar
The Lakers chose to let Farmar go as an unrestricted free agent. They chose this yesterday. This is supported by the previously mentioned L.A. Times. Any discussions about a trade for Chris Paul would have already been in progress since the players are under contract and would not have needed to wait until July 1st. If he was going to be part of a trade, they would have held onto him. Rather than a sign-and-trade, they could have worked out a different extension to make the salaries work.
This trade is as likely to happen as LeBron signing with Sacramento.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
Woo-hoo!
LeBron signing with Sacramento.
Can’t wait to tell everyone!
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
You want to see a bidding war?
Have the Hornets owner publicly announce he’s interested in trading Chris Paul. I’d guess that “alleged” Laker proposal would be one of the worst the team would receive.
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Oh F, he is right. I don't think Jeff bower is as stupid as chris wallace.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
I thougth Jerry West was the Grizzlies GM when that went down
and then went to the LA front office a little while after that deal
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 1, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. CVhris wallace is the owner, you are right. Stupid Jerry west left the team to die and wallace was luckily able to make lemoade out of shit
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
Chris Wallace
was the GM that made the deal with L.A.. I think the owners name is Heisly?
You sure, then where was J-west in all of this?
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
Oh, so c-wallace
is a dumbass. Good to know, that I’d have srver over 60% of the L; just if sarv wasn’t cheap and we retained JJ we’d of had like 3 championships
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
Channing Frye Offered
$25mil/5yrs by the Suns. Say’s he’s going to wait to see what the stars do before deciding.
bawahahahahahahaha!
Kings: Stay out of the madness! Please stay out of the madness!
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 1, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Looks like they are
I haven’t seen or read anything involving the Kings. And I’m o.k. with that.
You don't think that would solve our 2-guard problem? :)
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We have a 2 guard
He was the ROY. And I’m fine with he and Beno in the backcourt. We do need to add depth tho in the backcourt.
by StevenG on Jul 1, 2010 1:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
See, I put a smiley face there
The implication was that Frye thinks he’s a 2 guard, so I thought I was being silly….oh hell, nevermind.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
it's been pretty rough trying to throw in jokes around here lately
you should have seen the free agency thread last night.
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Ohhhh...
Sorry. I thought you were implying that we should be in the free agent frenzy to secure a 2-guard.
Nah, not at all
No worries…
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
However
I love the idea of maybe prying Courtney Lee away from the Nets if they go into free agent panic mode.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
i can't see them doing that
but yes I would jump on that in about 0.02 seconds no questions asked
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Yeah, highly unlikely
But the Nets seem to think they are the leaders in the clubhouse for LeBron’s services – and I’d imagine they’d have to procure another max-type player to make him happy.
If it gets down to brass tacks, I hope Petrie’s keeping a bug in their ear that “I have some cap space to burn”.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
you know,
that’s exactly how I’d like to see the Kings use their cap space this summer, taking some future draft picks or other considerations in exchange for taking on somebody’s salary problem
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 1, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
yup yup
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Don't worry, I hear Petrie sent in his special agent on this one.
Just bought Mikhail Prokhorov a nice “welcome to America” brainwashing dog.
It will only be a matter of time.
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damnit
reads “YOU ARE UNDER MY COMMAND”
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
yeah but I have seen it so much
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Here you go
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oh man
fit versus timing, should hypnotoad be signed to a max deal? would he get along with command dog? what about our new draft pick – andre the giant obey? we’ll have a logjam at that position!
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 1, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
ALL GLORY TO THE HYNOTOAD
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100% agreed
by not going free-agent crazy this summer the kings will be the best positioned to sign the right guy at the right time in a couple of years, while other teams will still have Channing Frye at $5mil/year or JJ at max cost
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 1, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
The funny thing about this offseason where every team has money to burn
is the fact that Francisco Garcia’s “horrid contract” will end up looking a lot less horrid in relation to these ones.
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Kings picked the perfect time to be cheap asses
right before the CBA too. I really hope they don’t offer any crazy 4 year deals
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Also, 15mil in space this summer with Dalembert and Laundry off the books next summer.
Dunno who we are going to sign to extensions, but with the new CBA we will be sitting at 20mil in cap space at the least, and ready to extend/sign anyone we want.
Hope
by Ultrakingsfan on Jul 1, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
and I would be perfectly happy if the young team does well and we focus the money on keeping them
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Yup...
I know we have some holes…but this is a eyar in which the team’s core needs to jell, we dont need any big name pickups…not this year
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree
Just wait this out
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Rudy Gay is cancelling
all his other meeting. Looks like Khhhaaaaannnnn!!!!! isn’t going to get his man. Deal with Memphis is $80mil/5yrs. I think it’s too much. But not JJ too much.
lol
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New Jersey
Was the first to meet with LeBron. Cleveland can’t like that.
by StevenG on Jul 1, 2010 2:34 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Understood
But what does it say about LeBrons’ desire to stay in Cleveland if he doesn’t hear them first. Just seems like you’d give your current team with whom you have a relationship with first crack. I guess as a professional courtesy. But that’s just me.
Jesus...reply fail again!!!
I swear I’m clicking reply. Maybe cuz I’m using Firefox???
You have to wait until the page has completely finished loading
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 1, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Sometimes if the post I'm replying to is the bottom-most
I get mixed up and type in the wrong comment box. Maybe that’s the problem.
You don't think Cleveland's already been in discussions with him?
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
He was allowed to talk to Cleveland before today.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Ahhh
Very true. I did read that he met with the team a week or two ago.
Teams are really spending through their teeth, this free agency
5 years, 6.4 mil/season for Gooden? Max contracts for Gay and Johnson? I think the Kings would be better off waiting until the frenzy ends, then pick up whomever’s left, at a bargain price. …and if nobody good is available, the Kings would be in prime position for the best of next year’s free agency, since so many teams would have already exhausted their budget into the luxury tax, through this year’s free agency.
Sarv reportedly offered frye 5 yr 25 mil? He doesn't that kind of money (Not yet and maybe never)
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by Bkj on Jul 1, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
doesn't desrve that kind of money, if anything, I'd collect my money and get david lee.
I hope David goes to a team that’ll treat him like a star. A place where he’ll be respected, I’m happy that this guy isn’t going to stick with the knicks; NY isn’t going to get any free agents, NONE! there i said it.
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by Bkj on Jul 1, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
you think David Lee is a star?
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I love David Lee, I don't really know why but I do think he desrves more credit then is given to him. I'm glad he made the all-star team; he is a star.
20-11-3 is not something easy to do especially being 6-9. I dont care if his stats are “inflated”. They say amar’e can’t play w/o nash when he won roy w/o him. and in his second year he avg’d 20-9.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
by Bkj on Jul 1, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, forget about his height
what type of numbers do you really think he would put up outside of New York
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
20-11, he is stil pretty damn young; he can put up amar'e type offensive numbers in a couple of years.
He didn’t have the luxury of playing with a pg so he does have a shot at improving his P&R game as he rolls aloong. I see him as a 23-12-3 guy for the rest of his career.
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by Bkj on Jul 1, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't know he was 27, lol, but yeah he is still young; the typical age where an NBA player has his best season is 28-29, some even thirty; he still has room to grow, IMO
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by Bkj on Jul 1, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
hmm
Landry 12.2 ppg, 5.3 rpg, .5 blk, 0.7 ast – 27 years old, have to re-sign after this year for what 5-10 million/year?
Boozer 17.2 ppg, 10.2 rpg, .5 blk, 2.5 ast – 29 years old, signs for ???
Boozer for 15 million (or less) a year is starting to look pretty good, what do you think Boozer would actually cost?
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 1, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Or...
we could not sign Boozer and trade Landry later this year…
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Landry
But if someone gives him $10mil per they’ll regret it. People think Boozer is undersized?? Landry is about 2in shorter than Boozer. And Boozer grabs, what, 12 rebs a game. Landry gets 5?? Yikes!
I always worry
about what the Kings will sign midlevel guys for. Beno and Cisco come to mind.
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 1, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Beno and Cisco both seem to be not bad deals looking at all the money being handed out now...
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I just dont know how much Landry is worth to the Kings after this year
As I dont think scoring will be a problem on a team that has Reke and Omri who averaged a combined thirty as rookies, and JT and Cousins being effective, as well as Beno, a full season of Cisco, and Donte showing any improvement at all.
If the roster stands as it is...
I believe this will be a very important factor this year…I would throw Casspi in too…
a full season of Cisco, and Donte showing any improvement at all.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 2, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
That guy left the NBA to get more $ and women, what a d--khead; it should be an honor to get to play in the NBA.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
by Bkj on Jul 1, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
what?
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
I am also confused
I recall it being a way to stick it to Hawks management when they tried to stick it to Childress.
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The olympiakos doesn't have taxes, yoiu don't have to pay for any luxuries, and the contracts are much larger up there in Greece.
He left the NBA to undergo a business oppurtunity.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
by Bkj on Jul 1, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
if someone
wanted to double my salary and throw luxuries at me, I’d work in Greece too.
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 1, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
So what is wrong with a guy wanting to sign a 3 year $32 million deal (net $20 million).
How is he a dickhead? You are implying he made an unhonorable move. He didn’t want to play with the Hawks. They were dicking him around on his offers. He was offered more to play in Europe. So what?
Serioulsy, how is that being a dickhead?
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
What do you mean dicking around with his offers? I mean he F'd the Hawks b/c they used the sixth pick on him
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
by Bkj on Jul 1, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
its a business
Owners get to choose who they hire to play for the team, and players get to choose what they are willing to accept as payment for who they work for. The door swings both ways.
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 1, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
He played with them for 4 years! You are acting like they just drafted him and he left.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
i.e.
he finished out his contract, and then, following the rules, chose to leave the team? how is that f’ing the hawks?
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 1, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Did he not honor his contract with the Hawks?
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
He did honor it! The whole thing.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Yep, just trying to walk Bkj through the process slowly
I figure about another half hour and the lightbulb will go on. Or an anvil will drop on his head.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
by otis29 on Jul 1, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Take it easy Otis.
It might take 45 mins.
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You're kidding right?
Yes, it’s an honor to play in the NBA, but money and women is still kind of the ulitmate goal for most men…big fish in a little pond or little fish in the ocean…its a personal decision…I wouldn’t call him a d-head for it, especially considering I may have made the same decision he did…
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd much rather play in the NBA and play for a championship and be settled w/ a wife then go and play for money.
If you make that big of a leap in your career you should take rather than go and maximize you profits.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
by Bkj on Jul 1, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
What the hell?
Settled with a wife? WTF? Championship? Where the Hawks winning a championship? Hell you act like JJ is a piece of shit and he plays for the Hawks? Where is the talk about his honor?
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
I'm tralking about myself. Moving out of the NBA to get paid more money doesn't seem right to me that is all I was trying to say.
This honor thing comes from having a chance to play in the big leagues and deciding to go for the more money option. That is all I was trying to say, I say dickheaded move b/c I wish I had the oppurtunity to play in the NB. Simple as that.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
by Bkj on Jul 1, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish I had a chance to live in Europe and play basketball for a few years
I’d be tempted to do that, even if the money wasn’t as good.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
yeah
If I was in Josh Childress’s position, I would probably have gone to Greece too. The only downside is the level of competition and potential degradation of your skills while playing that lower competition.
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 1, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
That's a good point
The style is so different as well. I’d guess adjusting back to the NBA game would be a challenge.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
I'd have stayed an asked atlanta to not re-sign him. Maybe try and pursue a ring on a contender?
I said it is an honor to play in the NBA
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
by Bkj on Jul 1, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
And he did
And he probably will again.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
LOL
I can’t take this shit anymore, are you serious? That’s it, walking away from the computer.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
That's what JJ did and he got his wish
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
by Bkj on Jul 1, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sorry what did JJ do?
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
asked sarv not to re-sign him and seek something else, not exactly a contender but to showcase his talents (which he did) and I'm happy for him. You say that I act like
he’s a piece of shit, but that is what it seems like not exactly how I feel. I love him but I just don’t think he’s worth MAX
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
by Bkj on Jul 1, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
First, Sarv did resign him. He just accepted JJ's demand to trade him.
Childress was trying to go to the Bucks but the Hawks were not playing ball (I think it was the Bucks. Might be wrong on that).
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
I dunno
I’d go work on smaller water projects if they wanted to pay me more. Call me mercenary, I don’t mind.
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 1, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Call me mercenary, I don’t mind.
Nice line…when I got out of the USMC….Blackwater (they’re called “Ex” now, I think) and a couple of private corporations in Mexico asked a bunch of us to come and work for them as Mercs…I couldn’t believe the amount they wanted to pay us…
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
that's totally different and you know it
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 1, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
?
I wasn’t disagreeing or agreeing with you…your statement just made me think of when I was offered a lot of money to do the same job (more or less) than what the USMC was paying me…Blackwater offered $90K a year/ a guy in Mex offered $75K a year as his “bodyguard”…I was being paid by the USMC (if you include the food/housing) close to $32K a year…
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Leaving the NBA for Europe is a big basketball demotion
but I wouldn’t judge him if this is what he wants. He is a very sympathetic kid, good character. He was a great person/player to have around here the last 2 years, although I hated the moment he left NBA.
I understand what you're saying, but he really screwed the hawks over with that one.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
by Bkj on Jul 1, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
How in the hell did that screw over the Hawks?
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
They coudl have used him? I mean he just left them nearly three years after they drafted him.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
by Bkj on Jul 1, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
What does he owe them outside of fulfilling his contract?
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Nothing. I guess you're right, but what exactly was his motive of leaving the NBA?
other than money?
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
by Bkj on Jul 1, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
What other motive is required?
These guys have a very small window in which to earn enough money to support themselves and often their extended families for the rest of their lives. How can you fault a guy for trying to maximize his earnings?
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 1, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
when americans in general
usually idolize people who make a ton of money, why do athletes get demonized for the same thing we applaud CEOs for doing?
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 1, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
THIS
times ∞.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
by otis29 on Jul 1, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
It also probably wasn't all about money
considering the Haws just signed a SG and had a ton of SFs and there was a massive log jam at his position and he would likely not get much playing time. Plus alot of the players at the time were not happy with management and the coaching staff. Plus, behind the scenes a certain Hawks player is known as a completel dick.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
so
no playing time in Atlanta for management that didn’t like him, or more $$$ playing as a main focus of a team that wants him, hardly seems like ‘selling out the game’ or ‘demoting’ himself.
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 1, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Well there is a flip side to the story ....
Apparantly there are rumors that the Spurs were about to trade Tim Duncan to the Hawks but the deal would only go down under one condition: Ducan would only say yes to the trade if he got to play with his good buddy Childress. Childress heard about this and was mad the team wanted to win and bring in more talent so he then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 1, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I like
how you chose the least likely to be traded person in the NBA for that story
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 1, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm amused by the influx of talk of morals and character in relation to the current crop of free agents
This is business…on both sides. If Childress had originally rebuffed the Greek offer and agreed to play for the league minimum, would Atlanta have told him “nah, we need to pay you more”?
Hell no! They would have tried to fleece him.
Again, this is a business. The owners are businessmen, the players are businessmen. You probably shouldn’t expect nobility from either side of the equation.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
by otis29 on Jul 1, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
or 4 years after they drafted him
He wasn’t under contract anymore. He was a restricted free agent.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
???
I get that the talent in the European leagues is less than in the NBA, but how is getting paid more to do the same thing you were doing a demotion? especially when you choose to do it?
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 1, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not the same to drive a luxury car one day
and drive a used 20year old junk the next. Yeah you’re still the same driver but isn’t that a demotion?
He sold the game for money. I’m not turning moral here, it was his choice. I wouldn’t do it.
Seriously -
You could do the same job in a different place for twice the money, and you’d stay where you were because ’it’s the right thing to do’ – even when you have no legal or contractual obligation to do so?
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 1, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
He's probably smoking a lot of pot in Greece
Last time I saw a picture, he looked pretty blurry eyed.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
I thought it was marijuana
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Maybe it was weed?
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
I heard they were smokin' reefers...
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Blunts
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 1, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
2 more
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 1, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Doubys!

"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
by otis29 on Jul 1, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
LOL
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 1, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh dear
You’re edging closer to 90% my friend.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
lol, I know.
I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.
by Bkj on Jul 1, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
we are bordering on Sports Line caller here
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Heading towards SacBee commenter status
Ok, that’s overboard.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
I've figured out why this post bothers me.
it’s an honor to be elected to public office, it’s an honor to be nominated as a justice to the supreme court, it’s an honor to become an army ranger or any elite subdivision of the military, and it’s an honor to be selected to win an award based off of your peers or the public’s input.
It’s not an honor to do your job in the place that pays the most money for you to do your job. The best talent comes to the NBA because the NBA pays the most, not because it’s honorable. The best talent in soccer plays in Europe and not in the MLS because that’s where the money is.
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 1, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Surprising
Childress is primed for a big payday in the NBA now that the Hawks have locked up Joe Johnson. They can’t afford to match a sizeable offer. I’d consider the source. After all, the New York Times thinks LeBron will come to New York.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
The funny thing is that the fan base isn't happy with this
He has underachieved in relation to his salary and the HUGE hype in 2008. The team still haven’t won the national league or the euroleague and his salary could have well paid a couple of other great players this summer.
Anyway it’s still not 100% sure, but it looks like he stays.
He plays with that 2nd round draft pick Kahn just signed
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Wow totally brainfart. Thanks.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
I missed all the fun, and it's probably already been said, but NO AMARE, NO BOOZ!
Both can be offensive beasts, have occasion to pull down boards, but neither plays a touch of D, and each have whispers about selfish ball following them. Bad for the Kings…no, no, no, no, no….
Was listening to 1140 today.
Apparantly the Kings are pursuing Anthony Morrow. Thats good news, also the Maloofs have reached out to Lebrons people. Dont think it means anything.
DeMarcus Cousins with the rebound, outlet pass to Tyreke, alley-oop to Donte Greene! Put it in the books and send him to the line!!!
-The dream of a great young core for years to come!
just planting a seed for the future
in contacting Lebron…he may want to play with Reke some day…I like it too that they are contacting Morrow, we need some long range shooters…
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 2, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok, beat me up over this...
but the “unnamed” (or so as they go around here, still picking it up) just signed Steve Blake. What about…
Derrick Fisher? (I know, I hated him from day one too…Why do you have to be so clutch!")
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