Kings, DeMarcus Cousins Dominate Summer League Opener
The Kings crushed the Pistons 97-68 in their Vegas Summer League debut. No King played poorly; only two Pistons (A.J. Slaughter and Mac Koshwal) played well. The Kings were by far the more aggressive team throughout, and simply dominated the paint (though the Pistons did manage to squeeze out 12 offensive rebounds in 39 opportunities). Sacramento shot 50 percent from the floor, the Pistons just 35 percent.
Hassan Whiteside had five official blocks, two goaltends and at least one or two questionable foul calls on would-be blocks. Oh, and one Inspector Gadget reference from color commentator Brent Barry. (Word to Aykis.) He didn't do much offensively; as has been written ad nauseum, he needs work in basically every part of his game that is not blocking shots. One particularly relevant play from the middle of the third quarter: Whiteside swallowed up an Austin Daye lay-up attempt -- the ball hit Whiteside's wrist -- but traveled as soon as he came down with the ball. This isn't a Mouhamed Sene situation -- Whiteside knows how to play basketball. He just has to refine those skills a lot.
(That said, he was a game-high +25 in 27 minutes of work. He changed the game, repeatedly.)
But the big story down in Vegas is one DeMarcus Cousins, the big cornerstone. How'd he do in his Kings debut? After the jump, a list of 28 plays involving Cousins which I think give a glimpse of what the Kings have and what Cousins needs to work on to reach his NBA potential.
DEFENSE
First quarter, 8:45 mark: Cousins is defending the pick and roll. He slags off the pick, and is able to meet the guard at the free throw line. The Piston is forced to pass away. After a reset, the Pistons draw a foul down low. But the fundamental reaction from Cousins was good, though NBA guards might see enough space there to free up an 18-footer.
First quarter, 7:30 mark: Cousins is defending Greg Monroe on the block, right side. Monroe is backing Cousins down, and spins baseline. Whiteside zips over from the weak side, and ends up goaltending the half-hook Monroe puts up.
First quarter, 6:56 mark: Same situation, with Cousins defending a backing-down Monroe on the right block. This time, Whiteside gets over in time and blocks Monroe's turn-around. Regarding these two defensive possessions, ESPN's David Thorpe tweeted the following:
Whiteside is very aware of being a help blocker on post action. Nice for a young player. It's a good combo next to Cousins, whose width forces players to take a few extra dribbles to get an angle. Gives Whiteside a chance.
First quarter, 4:53 mark: Monroe is barreling down the floor in transition. Cousins fills the lane, sets his feet and Monroe collides with him. But the refs call the blocking foul on Cousins due to being in the restricted zone.
Second quarter, 5:04 mark: Monroe is backing down Cousins in the paint. Monroe spins to the rim, and Cousins bumps him for the foul.
Second quarter, 4:07 mark: Monroe backs down Cousins in the lane, but can't get anywhere and kicks it out.
Second quarter, 0:34 mark: Cousins back in transition, DaJuan Summers handling the ball. Cousins doesn't set his feet in time, and upon collision is called for the blocking foul.
Third quarter, 6:15 mark: A Pistons guard is coming free from the perimeter. Cousins fills the lane and (finally) draws a charge. The Kings are up 20 at the time.
PASSING
First quarter, 9:45 mark: On Cousins' first offensive touch, he's doubled on the block. He kicks it out to a guard, the ball moves around the horn for an eventual open jumper by Ryan Thompson.
First quarter, 5:54 mark: Cousins is double 10 feet out. He passes over the defense to a cutting Omri Casspi; Casspi misses the lay-up.
Second quarter, 8:22 mark: Working on the post, Cousins is doubled softly. He kicks it out to Donte Greene, who misses a long three.
Second quarter, 4:22 mark: Cousins works on Monroe, but finds a cutting Whiteside. Hassan draws the foul at the rim.
Second quarter, 4:07 mark: After an aforementioned denial on Monroe, the Pistons miss and Cousins picks up an unchallenged rebound in the lane. He hits Casspi with an outlet just past midcourt; Casspi draws a foul at the rim.
Second quarter, 3:12 mark: Cousins runs the break with Sloan, but Detroit is getting back in time. Cousins tries to hit Sloan at the rim, but the pass is intercepted.
Third quarter, 8:54 mark: Cousins pulls down contested rebound, turns and tries to hit Thompson at midcourt, but the pass sails over the guard's head.
Fourth quarter, 5:54 mark: Going one-on-one against Monroe on the block, Cousins fires it weakside for an open Tyrese Rice three. This is actually Cousins' only assist of the game.
SCORING/SHOOTING
First quarter, 8:10 mark: Cousins fakes a baseline jumper, dribbles toward the rim and draws a shooting foul.
First quarter, 7:46 mark: Cousins is on the block. He takes a turnaround fadeaway from about 16 feet. He hits the shot and draws a foul.
Second quarter, 8:42 mark: Cousins gets the rebound off his own free throw miss, goes back up with it, misses, gets the rebound again, and finally misses again. Pistons break out.
Second quarter, 7:09 mark: On the wing, Cousins tries to take his defender off the dribble. He's stripped, and Detroit scores an easy two in transition.
Second quarter, 5:50 mark: Greene hits Cousins at the rim. Boogie does this to the Detroit Pistons and the greater Las Vegas metropolitan area:
Second quarter, 5:37 mark: Cousins tries to get to the rim off the dribble on the baseline, but is called for the travel.
Third quarter, 4:45 mark: Cousins tries a spot-up 21-footer from the left elbow, but it pops out.
Third quarter, 4:21 mark: Cousins receives the ball 16 feet out, just left of the key. He pulls a Ron Artest special: one dribble right, pull-up jumper, clank.
Third quarter, 2:56 mark: Cousins receives a pass in space, but doesn't handle it cleanly and is called for the travel.
Fourth quarter, 6:24 mark: Cousins is working on Monroe in the post, and spins right by him for an easy lay-up.
Fourth quarter, 5:17 mark: Cousins goes to set up the high pick-and-roll with Rice, but the Pistons trap the guard, and Cousins slips into space. (Good recognition.) Rice makes the quick pass (also good recognition), Cousins dribbles into the lane and puts up a leaner before help arrives. And-1.
Fourth quarter, 4:40 mark: Cousins takes a face-up 20-footer over Monroe. Clank.
***
Cousins finished with 14 points on 5-11 shooting, 10 rebounds (3 offensive), an assist and five turnovers in 26 minutes. Monroe only managed 7 points, 7 rebounds, 1 assist and four turnovers in 25 minutes. There's a lot Cousins needs to work on, especially on shot selection. But man, this kid's a man. He changes the game, and the fabric of the Kings. We have five more VSL games, but I'm already drooling at the idea of seeing him work with Tyreke Evans next fall.
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Nice writeup TZ
I think Monroe might wear earplugs the next time they play the Kings.
There was nothing I saw yesterday that convinced me Whiteside’s going to be a huge part of the team for a while yet. But the idea of having Cousins sharing the block at times with Dalembert should have Kings fans drooling. That’s a recipe for defensive dominance, especially against teams who don’t shoot particularly well from the outside.
Cousins needs to continue to work on his conditioning, but if he gets it to an acceptable NBA level, the kid could be a monster.
I thought Whiteside played well
Give him a year, let Dalembert team with Boogie for the time being, and then next year plug him in Sammy’s spot.
I agree
So the big question becomes whether Whiteside can develop quicker going the NBDL route for part of the season, or getting limited rotation minutes on the big club?
If we can get him 10 minutes a game keep him with the main team,
otherwise send him to Reno for extended stints.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 13, 2010 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I am with you. I would rather have him play with Cousins, even if he doesn't get a lot of minutes in the games.
I would not send him to the D-league.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
I think you need to play
games to really get better
(y’all talkin’ about practice?!!)
So I’d rather he got a lo of D-league minutes.
A strong combo of the two would be fine with me as I just king find the math to get him even 10 minutes a game at the big club.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 13, 2010 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions
'can't find the math'
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 13, 2010 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions
How about some D-League time mixed with spot time with the big team
then, move either Sammy or Carl by the deadline, followed by HW getting 10+ a game during the 2nd half.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 13, 2010 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I can see
Sam being traded at the deadline if Cousins makes big strides the first half of the season.
But Landry should not go anywhere. Having a pf who can score as well as he can will be crucial to this team’s success.
But at what price?
Trading him for a similar player that makes more but is locked up for a couple of seasons could be worth it.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 13, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't know if such a player exists
at least not a PF. Landry’s skills are a commodity in this league and he is worth $10 mil a year. Pay the man his money.
Absolutely. He was up to win the 6th man award, before he was traded to the Kings.
I think he is a keeper. Not only are his skills valuable, but he is a great asset to the team chemistry. He is very positive and works hard to make a valuable contribution.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
He is a keeper
There is no way Hassan will be ready in one year, and JT is also too valuable. This is a good thing :-)
by g4y Vulture on Jul 13, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
but I think they see Hassan and JT as PFs
I’m not sure if it comes down to Dalembert and Landry, that Landry is the one that stays. I’m interested to see how Landry and Cousins look together on the court before making any decisions (not like my opinion counts)
Yeah, great guy. Very good player, but 10 million for a 6th man is not smart.
That’s the problem.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 13, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
they are absolutely trading sam if they can...
he is a, what?, 12 million expiring deal?
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
except they've wanted him for a while
so now they finally get him, and they trade him?
We’ve sat on major expirings before (woof!)
fair point.
Though I can’t imagine they will keep him at even half what he is making this year. Especially if Whiteside and Cousins are as good as advertised.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Forget Whiteside playing Center for several years
He weighs less than Casspi, and will have a tough time defending PF man to man let alone Centers.
Haywood resigned with Dallas for over $9M per. If Dalembert holds on to the starting center spot and plays well with Landry, look for the Kings to try and resign him next season for $8M/4yrs. If they could and also resign Landry for $7-8M, the total affect on our cap space would be $0-1M.
JT is the only other real option we have to play the center position. And, he has a way to go before he becomes a dominant force at center. Having a vet like Dalembert around while Cuz and JT solidify their position as legitamate stars at the center position in the league, would just be the prudent thing to do.
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Plus, haven't we already said we expect Whiteside to play PF?
In maybe three years, I could see Cousins and Whiteside starting with JT playing big minutes backing up both. But that’s a long time from now. I don’t expect DMC to play more than 20-25 minutes this year, and don’t expect Hassan to see much more than garbage time this year, at least at first.
I don't see Whiteside being the all-around better PF over JT.
Hope I’m wrong, because then we’d have one helluva guy in Upside.
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by PhutureKings on Jul 13, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Picture JT as a rookie
Whiteside is already a better shoot blocker, as good a rebounder and has better low post skills. Plus I love that bank shot off the glass, it reminds me so much of Duncan.
Now picture, Whiteside at the end of the 2011/2012 season when the Kings have to resign JT. It’s going to be like Donte & Casspi are right now. And, it will be great if both are great, and we can’t agree who we want to start.
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When he actually does this against NBA competition
Whiteside is already a better shoot blocker, as good a rebounder and has better low post skills.
Then I might agree with you.
Whiteside definitely is a better shot blocker than JT was as a rookie.
As was mentioned in an interview with Hassan, his blocks suck the air out of an audience. He has incredible timing, which should translate immediately to the NBA competition. It is hard to teach timing. I would imagine that his rebounding skills will translate, as well, again because of the timing. Agree with you about the waiting to see how he does against the NBA competition, with his other post skills, as that is going to be a step or two above this summer league level of competition.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
I don't doubt he could step onto an NBA court right now and be a better shot blocker than JT
But my disagreement is on the “better rebounder” and “better low post skills”.
That’s euphoric hyperbole based on one decent summer league appearance.
i can't imagine...
the kings giving 32 million to dalembert unless they have given up on JT and don’t resign Landry.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
I’d really be disappointed to see Landry go. In some scenarios, it’s acceptable, but I’d be disappointed anyway. Carl is the sort of guy I like – level headed, positive, and hard working.
by Charles L. Pierro on Jul 13, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
The Kings need to accumulate talent. And, it's not all going to come from the draft.
Even if Cousins is ready to take over the starting center spot next season, we still need a backup and a contingency in case of injury. It’s been too long if ever since the Kings players dominated the center position, so having Sammy take a $4M pay cut to stay would be outstanding and not a luxury.
And, the way owners have been handing out 4 & 30 mil contract, we’d be lucky to get him back for only $32M. Find us another backup center that isn’t going to cost us at least $4-6M. What did Darko get?
Whether we trade Landry or try and resign him, is going to depend on how much JT develops. We have one more year on his rookie contract before we have to start paying him big dollars. So, who gets the big money, Landry or JT, is going to depend on whether or not JT can challenge Carl for the starting PF spot this season.
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There will be some experimentation with Carl at the 3 spot this year
JR mentioned that we shouldn’t be surprised to see this happen and Carl mentioned that he was working on playing the 3 spot during the off season (presumably because the coaching staff gave him advanced notice that this is going to happen).
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I don't see that as an advantage.
He doesn’t shoot the long ball as well as Donte, Omri or Cisco. He’s not as good of a rebounder than Casspi. And, I doubt if he can drive on most SF’s or stay in front of them on Defense. There isn’t even a height advantage over Donte or Casspi either.
The only real advantage I can see is if Casspi has to play excessive minutes at SG, then yes it would be nice to Carl pick up some of the SF load. But, we have 9 players who can play minutes on the frontcourt, if Brockman resigns and that doesn’t even count Tyreke. So, while Carl could play there just like JT did, I really don’t see any benefit.
And, while JR might have mentioned it, he also said that JT might end up better at center than PF, but I don’t see that either at least any time soon.
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I thought that originally as well
But with Landry and Dalembert on expiring contracts, I think the team needs to figure out if he’s a guy that can be part of the frontcourt rotation long term.
I’d say you’ve got to throw him in the fire and try to develop him as the season goes along. Interestingly enough, I’d be more inclined to keep him on the big club until the trade deadline, then move him to the D-League if the team feels he needs to play more minutes to work on some skills.
I am with you on this Otis
Depending on how the season is going, Landry and Sammy could be great trade chips, I think having Hassan with the team, practicing with JT, Sammy, and Cuz, being around the coaching staff full time, will give him better training than the D-League, and it will give the Kings front office a better idea on what to do with Carl and Sammy at the trade deadline or in the off season.
by MichaelMack on Jul 13, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
If they actually practiced every day, I'd agree with you. But during the season they're lucky if they can
practice 1-2 days a week. If he’s not going to get consistent game time, it would likely do him more good to be playing regularly in Reno.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 13, 2010 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions
That's the problem with the NBA, especially on the road
These guys are doing walkthroughs and game prep, not practicing so much.
If he’s going to learn, I think it’s going to primarily be on the court during the games.
I agree.
I’ve made this point before that NBA teams hardly ever get a real practice in during the season, In season, with all the travel, you get walk throughs and that’s about it.
I like what I saw out of Whiteside. If he can hit his jumper on the baseline, he becomes an important piece by mid-season because it takes away that whole one dimensional thing. Whiteside really needs some work with understanding schemes which may take a little while with his learning disabilities. Right now, he is surviving on instincts alone and certainly those can’t be questioned.
For now, I want to see Cousins against a strong guy like Brockman in practice although there seems to be no word on the guy. I’m hoping that Whiteside hasn’t made him expendable already. I think it is also very good practice for Cousins to have a player with similar tools to Dalembert to play next to. Cousins looks like a player who will play major minutes early and any leg up is good.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
***Update***
Cousins can be a major star.
PookeyGuru- June 23, 2010.
Understanding offensive and defensive sets,
plays, schemes, etc…is what Whiteside should do when he’s on the road and not getting much practice time. That will improve his game quicker in the long run.
by caseycheesecake on Jul 13, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Brockman? Strong?
Ain’t seeing that one.
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I think
the Kings need to keep Cousins at C. So let Cousins play with Whiteside and let Sam play with JT/Landry (for the most part), to keep a shot blocker on the floor at all times.
by caseycheesecake on Jul 13, 2010 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Not a bad idea, but we haven't seen how Cousins and Dalembert will play together.
But Cousins and Whiteside, do seem to pair up well with each other.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Its just not how substitutions work
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 13, 2010 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
That's getting too caught up in positions IMO
If you’ve got a Dalembert/Cousins frontcourt, you’ve got two guys who can lockdown the paint. Against certain opponents, this might be a great setup for stretches of time.
Say JT/Landry and Sam start,
I would want Cousins coming in first off the bench for Sam.
by caseycheesecake on Jul 13, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
JT, Landry and Sam start?
In what positions? None of them can play the 3 against most teams.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 13, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
R U KIDDING ME?
Whiteside getting 10-12 mins off the benchand blocking a couple shots a night isn’t a huge part of the team?
If he does that, I’d be more than thrilled… Whiteside is an animal!
minutes from who?
Dalambert = 25
JT = 30
Landry = 30
Cousins = 13
I can’t even find enough minutes for Cousins.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 13, 2010 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions
JT's going to lose some of those minutes
to Cousins and maybe a few for Whiteside.
There will be injuries and blowouts, so everybody will get some burn.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
FWIW, the bigs we have have proven themselves pretty durable in recent seasons
JT has only missed 7 games in his career. Dal hasn’t missed a single game in 5 years. Landry only 2 missed games last season were due to the trade.
by unfair weather on Jul 13, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
wouldn't be shocked if both JT and Landry played less minutes
although they would probably just go to Cousins.
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 13, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it should look more like this
Dalembert – 20 min
JT – 25 min
Landry – 25 min
Cousins – 20 min
Hassan – the rest…
Whiteside should be playing with the big boys. As the season goes on he should be taking more and more of Sam’s minutes.
I can...
I look at it like this: DMC and Carl are our two low post threats. In half court sets, they are getting the ball on the block. These two command double teams. I expect both to play 30 to 35 minutes a game.
DMC is our first day starter over Sammy D. Not only is DMC a better player than Sammy, the Kings want DMC on the court with Tyreke right away. They are the duo to lead us into the future, so no reason to delay their development together.
Scoring is covered with Top Hat and DMC, so we need defense and rebounding from JT, Whiteside, and Sammy D. Fortunately, that is what they do best. The playing time will be div’d up based on who provides best paint presence, rebound work, and post defense.
My Minute Chart:
Landry: 35 minutes
DMC: 30 minutes
Sammy D, JT, Upside: Share 30 minutes, (15/15/0) (10/10/10) (20/10/0) etc. depending on match-ups and effectiveness.
I think that Slammy D may be the odd man out
and that is dangerous. Sam was happy to come to the Kings because he was unhappy with his diminishing role with the Sixers. From what I have read of him in Philly, he thinks of himself as a post threat and this is bad news because he is not. He sometimes looks a lot like Motombo out there on offense an that can be scary. However, you just have to live with that aspect of his game to reap his benefits.
Now all of a sudden if he sees his role being reduced to a backup (or SINO starter -in-name-only), I sense trouble a-brewing. We need Slammy D to do what he does best, rebound, block shots, and clog the paint. If he is unhappy in his situation he does none of that. See Sixers, Philadelphia. Heed my words, this situation has the potential to be a major distraction for this team and I hope that everything works out as so far there has been nothing but positivity.
Fortunately for the Kings, we may have the problem of "too much good stuff" for defense.
Considering where we were last season, this isn’t such a bad problem to have. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. I suspect Dalembert was signed in the event Cousins didn’t fall to us at the 5-spot. Who could have know that not only would we get Cousins, be we also got Whiteside, as a bonus? But, I see your point. If Dalembert should become the odd man out, this may not sit well for him.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
We probably wouldn't find that out until mid January
But if Dalembert were the odd man out, I feel that around that time he may become an asset for us, as other teams would have had enough time to evaluate their own situations as well and decide whether they would want to trade for him.
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by kingsfan300 on Jul 13, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Whiteside is so athletic, he reminds me of
Terrell Owens.
Neither of them has played one minute in an official NBA game.
People, let’s put things in perspective a bit. One nice summer league debut, and we are talking about trading Landry and Dalembert, two proven commodites in the league because of a tall skinny guy who can jump but who’d lose a battle for position in the low block against Earl Boykins.
I know you’re all excited, but I suggest to take a deep breath and have a bit of patience.
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Done.
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by Juan Primo on Jul 13, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 10 recs
Donte'd
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by PhutureKings on Jul 13, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't see any possible way that Landry gets 35 minutes
with a roster so deep. Also, I doubt under any scenario that JT only gets 10 minutes.
by caseycheesecake on Jul 13, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Last year
Top Hat averaged 37.6 minutes even though he was new to the team and had to learn and new system.
This year he will have the advantage of a training camp, and incentive he is playing for a new deal.
His weakness, rebounding, can be covered by Sammy D and DMC (unlike Spencer) meaning his deficiency as a PF will be less prominent.
PW will feature him in the offense, and rightfully so, he is the most efficient scorer the Kings have: 18 points on 52% shooting.
None of the new additions will seriously challenge Top Hat for playing time. Considering these factors 35 minutes a game is highly possible.
JT needs to prove he deserves more than 10 to 15 minutes a game. He hasn’t proven to be a capable starter. Now it is up to him to prove a capable back-up, and that he is deserving of up to 20 to 25 minutes a game.
Agreed
Right now, he is our best big. Landry is our second best player next to Tyreke. He has the NBA experience and is a proven threat every night. There were a good number of games last year that teams simply could not stop Landry. I think he will get alot of minutes.
Dal probably gets the nod at starter simply because of his experience. JT and DMC back them up, which is totally fine since they are both learning. Honestly not sure where Whiteside fits in, much less brockman. Which is fine next year. But in the coming years, we’ll have a 4 man combination of DMC/Whiteside & Landry/JT, which is fantastic. Plenty of room for all 4 guys IMO.
Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.
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I like it.
Nice article. As an aside, didn’t catch this last week, but no Brockman or Tyreke on the VSL roster?
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Tyreke's playing for Team USA this summer
There’s probably not a ton of benefit to have him play summer league, considering his success last season.
And Brockman still hasn’t signed his offer from the Kings.
It is probably just as well not to have Tyreke play on the summer league.
He would just dominate it. Better to give these other guys a chance to learn to play together and enjoy success, develop some leadership, without him. Sounds like Tyreke is working hard to better himself in other ways.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Makes a lot of sense
At first I thought he should play, but it’s better to give Sloan and the other guys a shot. Tyrese Rice played pretty well yesterday, although I don’t see him making the club.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Agreed on letting these new guards get their feet wet.
I thought Rice did really well yesterday. Elie did mention him as being a spark plug or something to that effect in one of his interviews. He knew his last name, but couldn’t remember his first name. I bet he knows his first name now.
They already signed Donald Sloan. Pretty good chance they will sign another one. Will it be Rice, Landesberg, Chism, or Ryan Thompson? Maybe, they will sign two of these guys.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
With six bigs already
I doubt they will sign Chism, but I expect him to get picked up by somebody. And I think Sloan getting signed gives Rice little opportunity to sticks as well. It’s between the other two guys. I also assume we are bringing back Udoka, but maybe not.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
The future's so bright,
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 13, 2010 7:01 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Really?
"DeMarcus pounds, like the hammer. Tyreke slashes, like the sickle.
For the good of the proletariat!" - tomroadrunner
Yes.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 13, 2010 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Also, I liked Brent Barry as an announcer
He knew the players and had some really interesting takes on the game
I thought he was pretty knowledgeable of the Kings roster
Especially the dynamic of the Greene-Casspi situation.
I have mixed feelings.
Reke Havoc… “I just made that up” Well we all know this sounded rediculous.
I especially enjoyed the “BugZapper” and “Inspector Gadget” reference’s. But he did OK
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
In his defense,
its not like “reke havoc” takes many brain cells to come up with.
by caseycheesecake on Jul 13, 2010 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought he was being sarcastic about the 'reke havoc' line
sounded like that to me
Let us usher in the era of Reke DMC!
I thought he was pretty good also.
He kind of has a quiet southern thing which is weird because his dad and brother have a loud ass hole thing they use as their schtick. So far, he is my favorite off the court Barry.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
***Update***
Cousins can be a major star.
PookeyGuru- June 23, 2010.
I thought they were both fine
Lol at
his dad and brother have a loud ass hole thing they use as their schtick
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 13, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
The announcers seemed to know more about the Kings
than Joe Maloof.
Maloof: “I think we might sign Sloan.”
Announcers: “Does his mom know?”
Memo to Joe: You already did.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Geoff doesn't tell Joe what he does with his money.
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At least Joe knows
that they drafted Tyreke Evans. I think he’s still get briefed on this year’s draft. He definitely knows Kevin Johnson is the mayor.
I liked the banter from the announcers after Joe proposed making the Vegas league last two weeks instead of one.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Actually I agree with you on this
I like Brent’s analysis, seems spot on.
Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.
I thought
Brent was better than his brother in respect to his analysis and personality. Jon seems to lean anti-Kings at times and comes off a bit tight in general, while Brent seemed much more personable and relaxed. Lakers tonight, can’t wait to continue the evaluation….
"We're all here because we're not all there..."
I think David Thorpe said it best,
Tyreke and DMC will probably screen and roll 100 times a game.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
"[G]ood combo next to Cousins, whose width forces players to take a few extra dribbles..."
Cousins: too wide to get around, Whiteside: too tall to shoot over. Beautiful.
"Where hope goes to die"
If he'd stayed in school one more year, maybe two, he would be Thabeet. Yes. Great 2nd round pick up. No doubt.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 13, 2010 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Whiteside is better than Thabeet
He can get off the floor
But Thabeet can actually hold his ground.
Thabeet is a huge player. HE wasn’t worth the #2 pick but he will have a very successful career as a defensive anchor.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
***Update***
Cousins can be a major star.
PookeyGuru- June 23, 2010.
I think so too
People may laugh at him now, but that is a very big man, and I bet he is a serious player in a year or two.
by MichaelMack on Jul 13, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps
but the knock on Thabeet IMO is that he is not game smart. He seems lost out there, and lacks the intensity of a goalie. I don’t see that problem with Whiteside. He seems to be into it and have great instinct when he comes to blocking shots
Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.
Yea, I love Thabeet's skill set on the defensive end
but he lacks that fire in his game. the intensity needed to want to dominate every possession on the defensive end. He won’t be beating himself up every time he gets scored on — and that’s something that the ‘great’ defenders do.
Let us usher in the era of Reke DMC!
Big difference between Thabeet and Whiteside
Thabeet has the size to play the center position, and be strickly a defensive presence who gets his offense off of putbacks. He has the size and length to defend in the paint.
Whiteside is going to have to learn to defend quicker PF’s, rebound and be the weakside shot blocker. He’ll also need to play with an offensive minded center, unless he develops a consistent short to mid range jumper.
Whiteside probably will have the more difficult task, but he should be the more valueable player if he manages to work it out.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Whiteside is a much better athlete than Thabeet.
And not as big.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
For the first game, I thought the young guys looked great
Alot of the mistakes were made bcuz they’re learning to play w/ each other and at times, they wern’t sure where/what each other were doing, but that’ll improve w/ time
Cousins looked good… Made some nice shots, some nice passes, and really filled the lane up
I really liked Sloan… First chance to see him play and I like alot of the things he does… Hope he sticks
Ryan Thompson looked good too… Can really shoot
I think my Bulls fandumb is just about done.
Watching Sacramento yesterday, they are going to be amazing. Evans, Casspi, Greene, Thompson, Landry, Cousins and Whiteside. Holy hell. And, unlike my other flirtation in the Thunder, I have every confidence the Maloof brothers will pay to keep the team around.
How good will David Sloan be?
Also, what do you guys see the rotation being in 3 years? (leaving out drafted players or putting them or using free agents or just players on the team now, etc.)
Sloan
Evans
Casspi – Greene
Landry -
Cousins – Whiteside
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I'm not sure that anyone is projecting Sloan as the starter at this point.
Also unclear what sort of money will be needed to keep Landry around.
well, in 3 years for sloan.
I’m being hopeful.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
He could be part of the rotation, though.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
The Thunder are in a waaaay better economic situation than the Kings.
They sell out every game and can start to count on playoff revenues from here on out.
Sloan is tough and talented. I don’t think he’ll ever start in the Evans era, but the Kings have a great history of bench heroes, and he very well might join the pantheon. Incredibly fortunate signing, he was our projected second round pick and we still got him.
by basketball galactica on Jul 13, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm
We might see some tix selling here soon as well. Things can turn around pretty fast in that area.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 13, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Good ol David Sloan
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
Great game breakdown (multiple exclamation points)
I am assuming we can expect that you are going to do this for every game:)
I missed most of the first half, but did catch the second half. Cousins looked great, but made a number of mistakes, one of them being the traveling that you noted in your breakdown. His assists would have been higher, if his teammates would have just made their baskets:) Hassan Whiteside was a pleasant surprise with all of those blocks. He seems to know how to be at the right place at the right time. Cousins and Hassan seemed to work well in tandem.
I liked Donald Sloan, Ryan Thompson, and Tyrese Rice. I didn’t see Landesberg very much, but what little I saw, I liked. As you said, “No King played poorly.” I would imagine that these guys must feel pumped after this first outing. Casspi looked surprisingly good; a little recuperation, goes a long way.
One thing that I contemplated reading your comprehensive breakdown: I would imagine that Elie and his team are going to spend some time reviewing tape. I am wondering if there is more tape analysis at the NBA level, than at the college level?
As excited as I am about Tyreke and Boogie playing together, this might be a great time for Boogie to get used to playing with the other guys, without Tyreke.
Again, great breakdown of the game. Much appreciated and recommended.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Kings bright spots
Cousins
Whiteside
Rice
Chism
Ryan Thompson
Landesburg
We have some roster spots available, whom do you think the Kings might sign among Tyrese Rice, Chism, Ryan Thompson, and Sylven Landesberg?
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Final roster spots
Probably between Thompson and Landesberg if they keep Udoka. If not, maybe they keep them both. Also depends on whether we pursue any of the free agents or work a trade.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Agreed on all of your points.
I am thinking that they may sign two of them, but I haven’t counted out Tyrese Rice. Kings may not feel the pressure to pursue a free agent, at this time, with these guards making a good showing. They may wait to see how they pan out, before shelling out a lot of money.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Ryan Thompson
was pleasantly surprising yesterday. I wouldn’t mind having him on the roster
Why isn't ComCast California airing the games?
I can’t watch him play. :[
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
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NBA tv
has all of the summer league games
I don't have NBA tv
:p
Looks like I’m out of luck.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
Quitter's Proud United Member #11
its like 10 bucks a month and you get a huge channel package with it, and you could cancel it at the end of the summer...
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
AT&T U-Verse doesn't have the channel
Otherwise I’d be watching NBA tv right now.
Guess I’ll check out ESPN 3.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
Quitter's Proud United Member #11
I am thinking of switching.
The remote control continues to give me problems, which gets very annoying. Not sure what to get. I had Comcast before I switched to Uverse.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
oh man
when I had comcast, I despised their menu interface for channel selection – why couldn’t I set it to not show channels I couldn’t watch? why did it just sit then and think randomly instead of responding to commands? why was the “On Demand” button an override to everything I was doing at any time? WRAAAA i raged about it alot and when I moved, decided no comcast.
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 13, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
DirecTV
I’ve been happy with it for the last 2 years.
"We're trapped inside the matrix, forced to play our hand. We're filled with so much hatred, the kids don't stand a chance." -- B.o.B. (aka Bobby Ray).
by PhutureKings on Jul 13, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Do they have the Kings in HD?
because when I had cable, I pretty much only watched the Kings and the Cartoon network.
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 13, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I think they do
When the Kings are broadcast in HD (normally almost all games at home and a few on the road). I get the HD feed on Dish Network, and I’m pretty sure DirecTV is the same deal.
It will be interesting to see if more of the road games are televised in HD this season. I’ve noticed that the SF Giants have considerably more road contests in high def than last season.
I’ve gotten so used to HD that SD is almost painful to watch now.
Yeah. Summer League has been in HD on NBATV
And there are 2 Comcast NorCal Sports channels (one regular, one HD) that show the Kings games during the season.
"We're trapped inside the matrix, forced to play our hand. We're filled with so much hatred, the kids don't stand a chance." -- B.o.B. (aka Bobby Ray).
by PhutureKings on Jul 13, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I watched it for free on ESPN3 yesterday. Lagged at times, but overall it was solid.
Blessings.Love.Peace
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Jul 13, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
you can get it online, I believe.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
is it?
ooohhhhh, awesome
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
yay for work with high-speed, non-blocked, in the-corner cubicle connections
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Do you have to pay for it?
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
Quitter's Proud United Member #11
your cable provider pays ESPN for you to have access to ESPN 3
It is quite the setup ESPN has going…
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Sweet!
I was getting tired of seeing very few highlights on ESPN. Now, I can watch the entire game. Thanks for letting me know. :]
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
Quitter's Proud United Member #11
by cable i meant internet provider. sorry.
not all internet providers pay espn for you to be able to have espn3 though. so you have to check.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
I got it online, here, for 15 bucks.
Here is where you sign up for the online summer league games.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
by Slam_Dunk on Jul 13, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah its really not that bad of a deal
And the best part is you can go back and watch the games that you missed, or re-watch a game as well.
Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster". Follow me on Twitter here.
That's right!
I can go back and re-watch the game, using all of the minute marks that Ziller noted above, along with his critique, to enjoy it a second time
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
You can do the same thing on NBATV for free
if you tape the games on Dish. I watched it late last night. But only if they don’t screw you over to switch to Stern. Hopefully that was a first and last time.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Yeah. But I only paid 14.95 to watch the entire summer league series, without signing up for NBATV.
NBATV is not free.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
It is on DTV
well, I have DTV plus programming.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 13, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
DTV plus also gets you
Fox sports, Big Ten and a bunch of others for about $5 extra
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 13, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I have Att&t U-verse, which is also where I get my high-speed Internet.
I used to have Dish TV.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
I'm thinking up switching it up, though.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
NBATV
Free as part of middle-tier Dish package.
But apparently I am wrong anyway, as the Lakers-Kings game isn’t on NBATV.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Sure it is, 10PM
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 13, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Good, I didn't see it in the listings in the paper.
Thanks for that welcome bit of news.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
They have two games going at once I think
in those dual gyms, we’re on tape delay I believe.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 13, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Kings get no NBATV love...
-no replay of yesterday’s game because it would cut into the THREE FREAKING TIMES they are replaying the Wiz/Clips game
-Kings game not on until 1000pm tonight, only one that is not live.
-shenanigans
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
not shocking considering NBA TV had to cut out of the end of last nights game
to bring us Stern…..its the commercials during our draft picks all over again.
NBATV
also thinks wisdom from David Stern is more important than Kings games. Boo!
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
So I missed most of the last quarter
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
I thought that was bad form. People sign up to watch the games, then have to listen to Stern.
Fortunately, I didn’t have to listen to Stern. I didn’t miss the end of the game.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Two towers of the summer league
If both cousins and whiteside get 25+ minutes each. There’s no way they can lose a summer league game.
Rc meet 91 . 91 meet rc..
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
That Cousins dunk
Shaq flashbacks, anyone?
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 13, 2010 9:24 AM PDT reply actions
I thought the same thing
Cousins is a more skilled player than Shaq, but doesn’t have Shaq’s combination of mass, agility and power (at least what Shaq had early in his career).
But that dunk was very Shaq-like.
The insane part is that was like a casual not putting much effort into it Shaq dunk.
Not a knock on Cousins, just pointing out how insane a player Shaq was. I honestly think he was the most dominant force I have ever seen. Granted not for his whole career but there was a time where he was unreal.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 13, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Mityt thinks of Shaq as a slave.
And himself as the slave owner.
"We're trapped inside the matrix, forced to play our hand. We're filled with so much hatred, the kids don't stand a chance." -- B.o.B. (aka Bobby Ray).
by PhutureKings on Jul 13, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
well it did take the assistance of referees
but point taken.
Cain is Able ...
by Norcalfan10 on Jul 13, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Just a little better conditioning
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 13, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
One big change
from past seasons is that it looks as though the Kings are starting to accumulate role players alongside the “cornerstones.” Tough shotblockers like Sammy D and Whiteside will play their roles instead of looking to be the next big thing.
I also like Ryan Thompson, I think he played well yesterday and in Orlando. If he doesn’t end up with a spot on the Kings I hope he gets a spot somewhere in the league. Speaking of NBA families, I think Coby Karl deserves a roster spot as well, he looked great for the Nuggets. He sorta looks like a ghost.
Nice point about the role players.
I love Thompson, Casspi, Landry and even Beno as high quality role players that would get minutes on just about any NBA team. Obviously you have to hit a few home runs like Evans and Cousins to make these other player fit but the rebuild plan has really taken a nice shape in my opinion. Players like Greene and Whiteside might be the reason this team gets over the hump down the road.
Truth is, on talent alone, and nothing else, I’d rank DMC 1st.
PookeyGuru- June 1, 2010.
***Update***
Cousins can be a major star.
PookeyGuru- June 23, 2010.
Free agent update
This is from Sunday, so not totally up to date, but it has a lot of the free agent names and who’s gone.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
I'm in love with Cousins too guys but...
Casspi had a VERY nice showing yesterday too.
The guy deserves some nodding.
Sorry for not including in initial post.
Omri Casspi
20 minutes
50% (5 of 10) shooting from field
33% (1 of 3) 3-point percentage
84% (5 of 6) free throw percentage
5 rebounds
2 assists
16 points
Where’s the Omri love guys?
Cousins looked a little slow on D
I am wondering how his ability to move will look when he starts to play against real players instead of tryouts or 4s playing the 5. He also dribbles the ball a little too much, which led to some turnovers yesterday.
I thought his rebounding was pretty good and he showed a nice touch not unlike Landry from 15-17 feet. A work in progress.
I really loved watching Whiteside and think his shot blocking ability is something that will translate to the real thing. Now he just has to find a way to get on the floor. Similar to Brockman in his offensive limitations at this point, although he’s certainly not afraid to shoot. Hopefully some of those shots will start to fall.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
I thought Boogie looked a little slow, as well.
I hope Elie runs his butt off this week, with lots of minutes. He might drop ten pounds this week alone.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
He was tired.
he played a lot of minutes for his first action since the tourney. This is why Im so excited about our depth this year. We will not have to keep him out there for extended minutes. We can rest him, bring him to be effective, rest him again. Its a nice situation to have.
Cain is Able ...
by Norcalfan10 on Jul 13, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised if he were tired.
That said, I think getting a lot of minutes this week will help with his conditioning, so that he can play longer minutes without getting tired.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
After watching him sweat profusely after only 5 minutes of play, I was a bit concerned.
But he remained effective. Having said that, I fully expect him to hit the rookie wall pretty hard.
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by PhutureKings on Jul 13, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds right unless he uses these three months VERY well
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Jul 13, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I have a feeling you won't see him dribbling at much when we see the real games being played.
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 13, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't worry.
Cousins will learn in time. He’s not going to get those easy blocks and rebounds like he did in college. He’ll come through.
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Second quarter, 5:50 mark: Greene hits Cousins at the rim. Boogie does this [see the video] to the Detroit Pistons and the greater Las Vegas metropolitan area.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
I loved watching this sequence because it shows what might be repeated over and over this season. Here’s what I mean, sub Reke in for Donte driving the rim and drawing ALL of the attention and then dropping off to Boogie who waits for his spot after all the other defenders jump up and down like kids in a bounce house and then DUNKS the ball with AUTHORITY!
I know its VSL, but you can see it happenning in the regular season with Reke getting a lot of attention b/c he’s Reke-ROY which leaves Boogie open. I love the fact that we actually have a guy who can get off his feet and put it home.
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Considering Reke struggled getting the ball to bigs in the paint
this might be easier said than done.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 13, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah, because he cant improve on that part of his game.
Cain is Able ...
by Norcalfan10 on Jul 13, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I never said he couldn't
Just don’t expect it to be an overnight thing is all
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 13, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm picturing this
but with Reke’s missed layups.
That's also probably the only way Whiteside will score.
and he can dunk it with even MORE authority!
by caseycheesecake on Jul 13, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
He showed a soft touch around the rim in a couple spots last night.
He posted up Monroe at one point, and used his length to softly drop it in over him.
He could potentially develop a couple of little go-tos to take advantage of his length, especially if he can play the 4.
by unfair weather on Jul 13, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
agreed. Although raw, you can see the potential to develop a decent low post game.
has above average tough around the rim.
Cain is Able ...
by Norcalfan10 on Jul 13, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Question for people at the games
Does anybody know if tickets tend to sell out? I’m available last minute to head to Vegas for it and I’m wondering if I’ll be able to get tix for tonight (the website only sells future days.)
rec'd, +1, FTW, This.
I spoke with a ticket agent about this.
You should have no problem getting a seat. Ticket agent said that the only people who tend to go to these games are basketball fanatics.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Any word on those Reke DMC t-shirts?
when will the Kenny Thomas Reign of Terror end?!!??
by diehardkingsfan5 on Jul 13, 2010 10:32 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
As good
and as promising as DMC looked, I don’t see him being able to play more than 20 minutes unless he gets in better shape.
You think these guys can run up and down the court? Wait for the real NBA guys
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
hes not there yet
but lets give him a chance.
Cain is Able ...
by Norcalfan10 on Jul 13, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
That's why I think Elie should run his butt off this week with as many minutes as he can muster.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Hopefully not all games will be that 1-sided. So he can play more.
by caseycheesecake on Jul 13, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
that's fine, at least at first
Start Sammy D and play him 28ish, and bring Cousins of the bench for about 20ish.
The Landry/JT PF spot is the big minutes ??. Was Landry more efficient for Houston because he can actually do more with less (in terms of minutes)? Should we move him down under 30 minutes to JT can get more than 20?
I don't see where DMC will get more than 15 or so
96 minutes between the PF and C
Sam
JT
Landry
DMC
And those other guys, especially JT/Landry, want thier 30.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 13, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I want 300 million dollars...
But I probably won’t get it unless I earn it.
Or win the lottery.
"We're trapped inside the matrix, forced to play our hand. We're filled with so much hatred, the kids don't stand a chance." -- B.o.B. (aka Bobby Ray).
by PhutureKings on Jul 13, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know what that means
and I’d settle for a lot less. You must have crazy dreams
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 13, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm saying that JT and Landry may want their 30 min, but they have to earn it (or lose it to DMC, if you'd rather look at it that way.).
I’m sure Landry and JT will earn their time, but it will be interesting to see how many minutes Boogie “steals” from them.
"We're trapped inside the matrix, forced to play our hand. We're filled with so much hatred, the kids don't stand a chance." -- B.o.B. (aka Bobby Ray).
by PhutureKings on Jul 13, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty sure Landry’s earned his minutes.
by Charles L. Pierro on Jul 13, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
My point is every training camp should start with every position up for grabs and then earned by the start of the season.
I’m sure Landry would prevail.
"We're trapped inside the matrix, forced to play our hand. We're filled with so much hatred, the kids don't stand a chance." -- B.o.B. (aka Bobby Ray).
by PhutureKings on Jul 13, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I think DMC is going to be getting 30 minutes.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
It'll be interesting to see if DMC can play that long before fouling out.
DMC may be the new JT in terms of foul production this year. There may be more minutes to go around than people are anticipating due to foul trouble.
"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." - Cardinal Richelieu
That was his problem. Hopefully, that won't be an issue this season.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Well, they might play JT more at the center
but a straight platoon like this:
Dalembert (28)/Cousins (20)
Landry (30)/Thompson (18)
would be how I would split them up
I’d also lean towards a rotation along these lines.
by Charles L. Pierro on Jul 13, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I see all 4 of them getting 20 minutes
and then the best 2 that night playing the last 8. Its on them.
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
How about Cuz & SD together for the final 6 minutes of close games.
total domination of the boards. No 2nd chance pts for the opponent. Turn the other team into a band of jumpshooters from outside 20 ft.
Maybe we can hold a lead down the stretch or even pull away a little. Wouldn’t that be sweet.
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Thompson is going into his third year (the proverbial make or break year)
I expect him to be even better than last season, and he was looking pretty damn good at the end of the season.
I think your rotation discounts the improvement JT is likely to show. If he doesn’t show it, then fine. But if he’s playing as good or better than he was at the close of last season, it’s inexcusable to not give him more minutes.
Unless, despite playing better he is still somehow the fourth-best big on our roster. Holy shizzle…that would be insane! I would be happy.
"We're trapped inside the matrix, forced to play our hand. We're filled with so much hatred, the kids don't stand a chance." -- B.o.B. (aka Bobby Ray).
by PhutureKings on Jul 13, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Whiteside is probably going to get some minutes, also.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
I wanted to see some more of
Whiteside in the post. I want to see his post moves because all I saw was one post-up oppurtunity for him and he scored fairly easily.
"I have missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot...and missed. And I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why... I succeed." Michael Jordan.
Hassaaaaan Swat!
(jerryism, though an obvious one)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 13, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Aren't most of his isms obvious?
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Impact on PT for the bigs if Swat gets 8 mpg
I think it depends if they play him at center, and I think they will.
C: Dalembert 24, Cousins 18, Whiteside 6
PF: Landry 26, JT 20, Whiteside 2
OK, I don’t see 10 minutes a game except if someone gets hurt or blowouts or (interesting) we play him with Dalembert (The Swat Squad) to protect a lead in the closing minutes.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
SWAT Team.
Sounds better.
"We're trapped inside the matrix, forced to play our hand. We're filled with so much hatred, the kids don't stand a chance." -- B.o.B. (aka Bobby Ray).
by PhutureKings on Jul 13, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
The Swat Team
Sam, White, Donté, Cisco and Reke.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 13, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
No one will be happy with those minutes
certainly not JT, and it just won’t shake out that way.
Hassan gets left over minutes – when he’s not in Reno.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 13, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
No doubt
JT’s bubble is getting burst this season. That’s what happens when you trade for a big and then draft two bigs in a five-month period.
But he can solve that problem by playing better than everyone else and making it impossible to keep him off the floor. Nice problem to have.
Also, if the team improves, winning will tend to make things better. And, has been pointed out, any PT shortages may be a half-season thing if trades are made at the deadline.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
I can't find any minutes for Brockman at all
unless Whiteside is down in Reno all season. He still hasn’t signed that offer sheet either.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 13, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I had the same thought
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 13, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
It will crumbs for the Brockness if he stays.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
I rhink Brock and Whiteside
will alternate being activated. Both will be active for maybe 50 games this year with injuries adding a few extra games. I think Brock is being signed for his value as a 5th big in the 2011-2012 season.
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
Th ebiggest pros I've heard from Kings brass re: Brockness is that they like him for practice and the locker room.
So, even if he sees no time during games, they’ll rely on him for the other things he brings.
"We're trapped inside the matrix, forced to play our hand. We're filled with so much hatred, the kids don't stand a chance." -- B.o.B. (aka Bobby Ray).
by PhutureKings on Jul 13, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but how many teams are going to offer him a contract next year based on that
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So the best coverage on the game tonight we can get is KHTK at 7, right?
Since it’s not being televised live and isn’t on NBATV until 10.
Are there any other games that won’t be televised?
I guess that's correct
For some reason, I thought it was a 7pm start. But it’s correct according to the NBA’s summer league schedule.
So if you have ESPN3, you’ll at least be able to watch online.

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