What DeMarcus Cousins Hath Wrought
by Tom Ziller on Jul 15, 2010 10:18 AM PDT
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PrintDeMarcus Cousins was the unquestioned best player on the court for the third straight game Wednesday night, running through the Wolves with a 22-12-5-4 line and the game-winning hook shot with less than three seconds on the clock. Three games in three nights? 18.3 points, 11.3 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals and a block per game. (And, yes, three wins too.)
He also barked at Timberwolves assistant coach (and StR's favorite coach of all-time) Reggie Theus, chiding Minnesota for trying to have the incredible Greg Stiemsma get Boogie off his game by pushing and elbowing. (The ploy didn't work. Cousins' post-game evisceration of Theus might as well be a crotch chop followed by a middle finger.)
His swagger is phenomenal. His game is refreshingly developed. He cares. He's fearless. He's funny. He's 19 years old.
This is getting uncomfortably perfect.
Only a Kings fan would be sitting here watch Boogie dropstep and spin-move Patrick O'Bryant into Bolivia and be waiting for the other shoe to drop, right? It's the same exact thing many of us did throughout Tyreke Evans' almost mythic 20-5-5 rookie season. We, or at least I, keep the potential Achilles' heels in the back of our (or my) mind. Was anyone else a bit nervous as Cousins and Stiemsma jawed and bumped, when Boogie was barking at the ref? I can admit my palms got a touch sweaty. I'm still learning how to read Boogie. We figured out when Brad Miller was truly pissed. We know when Jason Thompson is taking himself out of the game by focusing on the whistles. No, we could never read Ron Artest. But, you know, Ron Artest can't read Ron Artest. Saint Peter can't read Ron Artest.
We'll be able to read Cousins, I'm convinced, and the type of unknowing anxiety I suffered in watching the Wolves game will dissipate.
I worry, in watching Cousins, that he's so confident that at some point he won't know when to stop himself. But then he makes a deadly no-look to a cutter, or drops a turnaround on his defender, or soars for a rebound no Kings since Yogi Stewart would grab, and that dissipates. Will Boogie and Reke butt heads? Maybe, maybe not. Will Donte Greene and Omri Casspi bristle at the lack of touches when Cousins is shooting for 20 every night? Maybe, maybe not. Fit does matter in the NBA, and we honestly don't know if Cousins will fit poorly, well or perfectly with the other Kings.
But these fears are so, so minor in comparison to the fear you have a scrub, a bust. That fear may live in Newark, Philadelphia, Minneapolis, Oakland, Detroit, Los Angeles, Salt Lake City, Indianapolis, Oklahoma City, Memphis, Toronto and Houston, at different levels. But Wizards fan know their lottery pick isn't a bust. And I think we can all safely agree that DeMarcus Cousins is not a scrub, is not a bust.
When you realize that this early, all other fears -- about his temper, about the fit, about his eventual fitness -- seem so, so minor. That's where I am with Boogie: giddy. Ta' hell with measured optimism. The Kings have a second cornerstone, and his name is DeMarcus Cousins. Welcome to Sacramento, kid.
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I love my Cousins!
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 15, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Haha
I think I found the perfect song that could be used for a Cousins mix here. Kweli!
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
Let’s facelift bar!--netetrader20
by kingsfan300 on Jul 15, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Good call
Before the draft, I had the Vampire Weekend song stuck in my head non stop, but I think this is a better fit.
Haha
I wouldn’t really use that Vampire weekend song for a mix, but it’s a cool song. I like it.
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
Let’s facelift bar!--netetrader20
by kingsfan300 on Jul 15, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it would be great.
It’s a frenetic paced song and quite honestly, I’m sick of mixes being limited to either dirty South rap (which I hate) or the “I am the Greatest Thing Ever and I give 110% All the Time” hip hop songs (which are now cliche).
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." -- MarcusC.
by PhutureKings on Jul 15, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Only a Kings fan would be sitting here watch Boogie dropstep and spin-move Patrick O'Bryant into Bolivia
Well here is a Warriors fan who has also been watching his summer leaque. I was probably the biggesr Warriors fanboy wanting Cousins since last year.
You guys have a couple of great draft picks with Cousins and Whiteside! Hats off to ya.
by Only In Fairfax on Jul 15, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
NaRF
For some ridiculous reason, I thought you meant… Not a Raef LaFrentz.
Well, I am thankful for that...
Until I realized that’s so misspelled.
So is NaRF = Not a Red Flag, Not A Real Fan or Not a Radio Frequency?
This.
Not A Rectal Flame.
Not a Randall Flag
Not a Rapist/Felon
Not a Roger Federer
Not a Rebel Fighter
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." -- MarcusC.
by PhutureKings on Jul 15, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Not a Red Flag.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 15, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Rumble, young man, rumble.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Jul 15, 2010 10:24 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I cannot wait to see this man on the court with the other Kings in the big leagues
I think Westphal will be hard pressed not to start him come opening night.
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agreed... Day One.
Should he be conditioned coming out of Traning camp
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
My starting 5
Reke, Beno, Donté(I like Omri’s energy off the bench), Hot Carl, DMC. I expect SamWow to start, but I can dream.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 15, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I like this Fav 5..er Fav 4
Reke, (shooting Guard TBD), Donte, DMC and Dally…..
I like Beno, Casspi and Carl to come off the bench and play heavy Minutes.
Although Beno can play the SG like last year, which was our best lineup. I still Wish we had a Guy that Can be a Lock Down Defender, with Above Average Three Pt Shooting. (not adam morrison)
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
Next year's draft will fill the SG spot.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 15, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
GP should be able to find a good one at that 14 spot or so we'll be in.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep
That’s my plan
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 15, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
You're on the right track Shadrack, but I think Beno is going to start.
Reke, Beno, Greene, DMC, and Sammy to start.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
I'm betting DMC doesn't start
a rookie is a rookie is a rookie, and has to earn that spot in real games.
Beno, Reke, Omri/Greene(?), Landry and Dal.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly...
Oh, wait I forgot about ’Reke starting from DAY ONE last season.
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." -- MarcusC.
by PhutureKings on Jul 15, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
In front of who else that had a legit argument for the spot
is what I guess my position would be. The situation is a bit different – but you’re right.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
True dat. But, it still depends on what he shows in preseason against NBA-level competition.
I’m not writing off any possibilities.
Also, I advocate the “there are no guaranteed starters” approach.
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." -- MarcusC.
by PhutureKings on Jul 15, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Tyreke started and I think Cousins is earning place right now in the summer league.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
by Slam_Dunk on Jul 15, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ima pull a Pook here
and say that what Cousins does in Summer League will have no impact on Westphal’s opening day starting line-up.
by VenomySnicket on Jul 15, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
no impact? no
some impact? yes
great impact? no
deep impact? good porn title.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 15, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Only one way to start Cousins
Dalembert C
Cousins PF
Landry SF
That’s one way to solve the SF dilemma.
in a zone, it might work...
but Hot Carl would get used on DEF by smaller quicker 3’s
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 16, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Summer league doesn't decide anything
except whether you can probably play at the next level.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Summer league doesn't decide if you can play at the next level
But it sure decides if you can’t.
Whenever you think it can't possibly happen, it probably just did.
by doogman77 on Jul 16, 2010 3:33 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well said!!!!
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We'll win the lottery to make up for our misses the last couple years
And grab Harrison Barnes. Then win the championship for the next 8 years in a row.
The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"
Good grief!
Are people looking ahead to next year’s darft already?!!
Who?
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I couldn't help but look at Dx's mock for 2011
As soon as we grabbed DMC and Whiteside…
Harrison Barnes is who they have #1 overall and he’s a SG. Supposed to be pretty great. I can’t imagine we would have a chance at #1 next year though.
The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"
I imagine he'll be the consolation for Cleveland or Toronto haha
The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"
I think we are going to have a very low chance to get #1, because we are going to be winning too many games this season for that.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
We'll just grab Kahn's #1 pick for a trade exception
" 1 + 1 = 3 " - David Kahn
by Shizzo on Jul 15, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
hahaha
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 16, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
And Kahn's plan become clear
2011 is the year Minny drafts 5 SGs.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 15, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Fingers Crossed
I am not sure our record ( >34 Wins) will provide us with a Lottery Pick. But You maybe right
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
Less than 48 wins will provide us with a lottery pick
We are in the west, you know.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 15, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
True..
We last made playoffs with 44 Wins, (lowest total Since), and Who did we draft the following Year? Um… Quincy Douby…
My Point being, Unless we finish with Top 8 Pick… I am not sure GP will Land REKE/Cousins Quaility SG. Anywho… I dont wanna sound Negative. i TOO trust GP, but if we improve like I think we are… then we might only have quailty Bench Players available to draft.
(Unless you suscribe to the, There is a Paul Pierce in every draft)
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
I do subscribe to that actually
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
and I bet you also Suscribe to...
“GP will Find Him”
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
There's always a guy that waaaay exceeds his draft spot
but yes, figuring out who that will be is the trick.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Too Risky.
I predict we pick up SG next year, or at trade deadline. otherwise… Chris Webber says… “Good Luck”
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
Like, say,
Omri Casspi. Or DeJuan Blair.
StR Token Female
by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 15, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok... I gather...
Kings Fans are Thinking We will Land the SG of the Future in Next Years Draft. Somewhere late Lottery, maybe, between 10th and 15th.
Surprising Change… we are now, “Glass half Full” Fanbase. I LIKE IT
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
Well...
if anyone can do it it’s Petrie. Remember that K-Mart guy?
I honestly feel that our SG of the future needs to only be a little more talented than Beno… assuming that one of Omri and Donte really pans out.
#vfettkefordraft
I will agree to Disagree about Kmart.
Thats a entirely Other Horse already Beaten.
But I think your right… I guess I am trying to Make our SG of the Future, the 3rd element in our formula..
and what your saying, is, that maybe Donte/Omri can be that.
Or that we dont even need a 3rd element. We can win with just 2.
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
As for a SG...
I would Like a Durable SG that can Play Defense.
Not a Paper Stick Figure that requires help defender.
(only two seasons above 70 games played)
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
I think you might be missing my point
I’m talking talentwise, Petrie can find an SG. KMart was great for where he was picked. I don’t want another one. I’d prefer a young Bruce Bown type that’ll lock guys down and hit open threes.
I also don’t necessarily think we need three really great guys. Two really great guys and a bunch of really good role players can do the trick, a la the Lakers
#vfettkefordraft
Well... if thats your point...
Then I agree. I suppose we can find such at guy late in next year’s Lottery.
I will drink to that!
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
San Antonio corners the market on those guys...
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 16, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Curry @ 9?
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Jul 15, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought Curry was 7th overall...
But if not for minny… he should have gone 5th or 6th
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
Until we find that SG, I say we just play our best 4 guys and roll like that
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
Reke, Cisco, Donte, Carl, DMC
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Jul 15, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree
It seemed like starting Landry and Dalembert made the most sense after the Hawes trade, but now? I’m not so sure.
Cousins could be ready to start from day 1… the question becomes then, who do you start next to him? Landry was our go to post guy— will he and DMC get in each other’s way? In addition, Dalembert and Landry seem to be a perfect pairing. If we run one off the bench, I’m inclined to put the other there, too. Decisions, decisions.
DMC and Landry could compliment each other…but the best pairings IMHO are:
Dal & DMC (cross-switching on DEF)
Dal & Landry
DMC & Thompson
Whiteside & Landry
Whiteside & Thompson
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 16, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't wait to hear about Training camp
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
Let’s facelift bar!--netetrader20
by kingsfan300 on Jul 15, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if they could start Cousins at the PF and Dalembert at C offensively
And then both could switch defending positions on the other end.
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
Let’s facelift bar!--netetrader20
by kingsfan300 on Jul 15, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I just posted the exact same thing and think that we will see this a bit.
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Maybe
Although I don’t think either is quick enough to guard a lot of the 4s out there, and I’m pretty sure either Jerry R or Paul W said as much during a recent interview, if I remember correctly. Intriguing idea, though, and perhaps a preview of what the Cousins/Whiteside duo could become in a couple years
Yeah, PW said the same thing the other day
about DMC not being able to guard the PF spot.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 15, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Did they say that about Dalembert also?
If not, I reserve the right to be excited.
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
Let’s facelift bar!--netetrader20
by kingsfan300 on Jul 15, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Cousins is listed as bigger than Dalembert
I think they are basically interchangeable.
I'm not sure they could be any less interchangeable.
Boogey and Dalembert are similar only in size. Their games are completely different. Dalembert is more athletic and plays a lot above the rim. Just ask C-Webb as he said as much a while back when we first found out about the trade. He is a really good shot blocker and defensive player. Boogey is all about footwork, passing, scoring on a thousand different moves, and playing basically below the rim except when he gets pissed off and decides to dunk on someone’s head. Both rebound well. At this point, Boogie probably can’t guard the 4 but I am not so sure Sam can’t.
The earning part I think will come in Pre-Season.
But I think he has a good shot. There’s also the possibility that because of Dalembert’s athleticism, he could be asked to guard the 4s while playing with DeMarcus.
Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster" and Author of Pick and Scroll. Follow me on Twitter here.
Dalembert has done nothing for the KINGS to earn the starting job!
I don’t see how Cousins has to earn it ! Other than Reke the other guys have done nothing to have earned their positions. A 25 win season doesn’t cut it.
Other then the fact is he is a top 15 center in league..and gives you great defense and rebounds., which is what you are lacking with Landry on the floor. hands down it should be Landry and Dalembert and Cousins and JT with Whiteside and Brock sprinkled in
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Ding Ding this man wins!
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by Widowwolf on Jul 15, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well he is not the next comming of Mutombo in any way, shape, or form
And I have zero problem with him starting
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 15, 2010 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
C-Webb went out of his way
to say Dal is better than people think, better than his stats
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Philadelphia
has been a mess of a franchise for years. Hard to tell exactly how good a player is when a team is run poorly.
by MichaelMack on Jul 16, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
This makes me even more pissed that I probably won't catch a Kings game for the next two seasons
#vfettkefordraft
I heard there were"kings" there...
: )
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jul 16, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
League pass broadband is your firiend.
barring that you always have adthe.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 15, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
True
but the 11 hour time difference is not. Then again I’ll probably be up at 6:30 anyway with the kid, so there may be a shot. Can you replay games with LP?
#vfettkefordraft
Yes, you can.
I’m 13 hours ahead of east coast time. I really like the morning games
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 15, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I have a slightly older TV and an HD monitor. The HD league pass broadband is a lot better on my monitor than
broadcast TV is on my TV. It’s very good quality. Assuming you have a good Internet hookup. Which I’d bet you will in the UAE.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 15, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
$100 plus or minus
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 15, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Now is such a great time to be a fan
Watching all our future cornerstones and hopefully multiple time all stars grow up. How can you NOT get league pass??
Plus, you can pretty much replay any game forever, no matter how far back it is.
The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"
Speed matters
Would love to go with LPBB but 1500k is the max speed for me available right now, and it just doesnt cut it after doing a free trial on LPBB. Hopefully speed with go up soon in this third world country(technology wise)
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
I use lpbb and
have it connected through a HDMI converter to my Flat screen and it looks crystal clear. Also i bought the 5 team package which was like 60 or $70. I do not watch many of the other teams anyway so i just pick whichever five.
HDMI is the way to go though.
Now I'll have to figure out what 5 teams
Sacramento
Phoenix
OKC
Miami
And one of Chicago/Milwaukee/Boston
#vfettkefordraft
I'd go
Sacto
Phoenix
Portland (so I can rock my Przybilla jersey)
OKC
Miami
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 15, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure I'm all that interested in Portland
But it’s tough to decide between the other three. I’d love to see KG get healthy again and I like Rondo. The Bucks are a fun up and coming team with Jennings and Bogut. Chicago’s also a fun team and I’d love to see how Thibodeau helps them out.
Right now I think it’d be between Chi and Mil.
#vfettkefordraft
I'm a fan of Houston also
With Yao back they’ll be a real force. Run a beautiful offense, very scrappy defense, lot of dynamic players. Plus with Brad Miller there, it’s all the better.
1 + 1 = 3 - David Kahn
Chicago or Milwaukee
That’s a tough one. I can’t decide. I personally like the players on Milwaukee better, but Chicago could be fun to watch.
Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster" and Author of Pick and Scroll. Follow me on Twitter here.
With
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions
DVRs are your friend
when game times don’t match viewing times
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 15, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not getting any form of cable while I'm gone
so it looks like it’ll be League Pass Broadband for me
#vfettkefordraft
LPBB,atdhe,davka are your friends.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
It made me nervous too
But he kept his cool enough as he had his hands up while Stiensma continued to bump into him. He was visibly agitated, but he channeled it well enough to his game on the court.
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
Let’s facelift bar!--netetrader20
Come on Pookey
Tell us again how you have big doubts about this kid’s defense, strength, attitude, outside shooting, endurance, etc. Tell us how Favors is a much better pick. I have a feeling you’re going to hear that a lot this year, and I want to see how long it takes you to admit Cousins was the right pick.
(Ducking and running before the fallout.)
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
by SavageBeast on Jul 15, 2010 10:28 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
To be fair to Pookey
A whole lot of people on this board would have taken Favors before Cousins. And Evan Turner. Let’s not let memories get selective.
Not talking about then
Although I have never been a big Favors fan. I’m talking about now. My boy, Pookie was all over T-Wolves game thread expressing his concerns about Big Cuz. And I’ll keep riding him until he admits Cuz was the right pick.
I can’t out-write him. But I can definitely give him a hard time.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
by SavageBeast on Jul 15, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe he was Providing Wolves Fan with a...
SMOKESCREEN
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I'm one of them
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 15, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Well not necessary Evan Tuner but Favors yes.
After that it was toss up to me
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 15, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree with this.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I would have taken both Turner and Favors over Cousins.
Right now I will admit I was wrong.
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"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
by SavageBeast on Jul 15, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
That's right
And I make really good cookies.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 15, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Not me.
I said Wall and then repeatedly predicted Cousins would be the second pick in the draft, because he was too talented to pass up.
I know this douchey “I told you so” stuff. But, I told you so.
With my PROVEN success at evaluating NBA talent, my JD and my status as unemployed, now is the perfect time for the Kings FO to hire me as Leviens’ replacement. Hurry, Maloofs, before my price goes up! LOL.
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by PhutureKings on Jul 15, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I had him #2
with a bullet.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
You gamble and shoot for the Star
in our situation. I believed it then and I believe it now, even if things go to hell somehow/where down the line.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I would have taken both of them as well
And in no way am I ready to admit I was wrong. Way too early to make that judgement IMO.
At least you admit it.
I think Pookey is still holding on to his position. Far, better to eat your words now, as they will be harder to eat later.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
We will turn you
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
by SavageBeast on Jul 15, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I completely agree with you
And I say that as someone who had Cousins #2 behind Wall. I’d love to say I’m right but let’s not get out of hand three games into summer league.
very true. For the record, I had Cousins 3rd. Wall-Favors-Cousins.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 15, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Wall- Evans - Cousins for me
I expected Boogie to be gone and for the Kings to pick Udoh (the guy out for the next 6 months, D’oh!).
I watched hte Coach Paul interview against the Lakers and listened to Jerry Reynolds this morning. Both agree that they knew he (DMC) was good, but no idea that he would be this good so soon. Both think that conditioning will be key for him at first. This AM, JR compared his passing and court awareness (and hands) to CWebb. (Phantom on the Rise Guys likened him to Wes Unseld, which was ridiculous – Unseld was a an immovable object and not light on his feet. Think Chuch Hayes with Kevin Love outlet passing).
I stil like the Moses Malone comparison but DMC can really pass the basketball, perhaps his most surprising attribute, second would be his steals.
I really enjoyed these wise words by TZ:
This is getting uncomfortably perfect.
by betweentheeyes on Jul 15, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
JR was on the rise-guys this morning?
Is there a link?
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
actual link
It popped up a while ago
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
But there is a fanshot on it already
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
If I was going by talent
I would have taken Cousins ahead of Turner.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
It doesn't even look close on Talent right now
not that everyone knew what DMC was hiding. The other stuff will sort itself out one way or another.
If there is an incident or two (probably), we should be ready to not overreact to an ejection or somethingof that sort.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I've maintained I thought Wall & Favors would be stars
I think DMC has a chance.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter here.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I actually see it being more likely that Cousins is a bigger star in the league than Favors
I know I prefer Favors but Cousins is going to get his numbers in this league. No clue how good he will be defensively but I am having a hard time seeing him anything short of sold on the offensive side and his rebounding will be solid.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 15, 2010 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Star is the wrong word to use there.
Impact player is a better word.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter here.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yuh.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter here.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I like Favors a lot actually
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 15, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
For all Favors' 'athleticism'
he really didn’t produce in college.
I think that was one of nbrans cautionary notes on draft picks last year.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions
You know, it's really spotty judging a college freshman from their college stats.
I understand the concern but I wouldn’t write him off as bust. If he stayed a few more years and did the same then I would definitely consider him to have major bust potential.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 16, 2010 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I should rephrase that
It seems to me that often a guy can have underwhelming stats his freshman year in college and blossom (particularly the players the scounts seem to love). Obviously someone with Cousins stats suggests they are in fact going to produce so technically it’s so much spotting judging a college freshman from their college stats but I meant to say it is really difficult to judge when a highly touted prospect does so-so (it’s really all over the map, sometimes good, alright, or horrid).
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 16, 2010 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions
This will sound like a copout to many....
…but Favors game won’t show well in the Summer League. It’ll show up in the NBA where his type of defense can make a difference.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I would love to have Favors
in 1-2 years. Rookies do not come into the NBA and make their mark defensively – the referees don’t allow it. It will take him at least a year to adjust to the NBA speed of the game, learn the nuances of team defense, and earn the respect of the refs.
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Yup.
That’s an excellent point. DMC had the same problem today at SL. But he’s was foul prone at UK too.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yep
I’ve maintained that Cousins’ advantage as it pertains to his rookie season is that he will be able to make more of an offensive contribution to his team than Favors, and neither will be a force defensively. However, a couple years down the line, Favors may become the better overall player.
I love what Cousins has done so far, and I think that we were damn lucky that he dropped to 5. But I had Favors higher on my draft list, and I’m going to have to see their careers play out a little before I adjust that list.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 15, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
by SavageBeast on Jul 15, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Oh, Pookey, pooked....
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 15, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I love this.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Full Disclosure
I was also worried about DMC and his “attitude problems” I will eat my crow for now.
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He wrote a very skeptical post over at evilcowtown
but he’s in hiding indeed.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Not hiding from nobody.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter here.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
nohow
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Just giving you crap
:-)
Allow us our giddy days, we desrve it. Its a long time to training camp and it will be too quiet around here soon.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
That’s true.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter here.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Early impression is that Cousins is more Rasheed Wallace than Artest
Cousins strikes me as incredibly, indelibly competitive. He has a massive chip on his shoulder, and he doesn’t shy away from anything. I could do without the jawing, but maybe I’m just completely un-used to seeing a Kings player doing that. It’s probably going to get him into trouble at some point, especially after he tastes success and starts feeling invincible.
I think we’d do well to simmer expectations a little. He’s not going up against the big boys he’s going to face in the NBA. There’s going to be a learning curve. But it’s tough NOT to get really excited. He just seems like he has that hyper-competitive drive that the greats had. I’ll take that kind of crazy any day.
Tempered expectations. He'll put up quite a few double-doubles his rookie season and be in the ROY conversations.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 15, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I have a feeling he's going to lead Rookies in Double-Doubles
and with his passing I wouldn’t be surprised to see a couple triple doubles.
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Don't forget about a certain Blake
who will likely be starting and featured from the start in Clipperland
Touché
We’ll see how Griffin comes back from that knee injury. He’ll be competing with some good rebounders in Kaman and Aminu.
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He'll likely have micro fracture surgury before Christmas.
I hate to say it, but it’s the Cips.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 15, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
I’d be suprised if it wasn’t DMC and Griffin battling for double double crown. I sure hope Griffin can stay healthy, it would be good for the game but once the Clips drafted him . . . . .
Well, I don’t wish any ill fate on the guy.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Hmm
He’ll be good. I seem him as a better rebounding Amare Stoudamire.
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
Let’s facelift bar!--netetrader20
by kingsfan300 on Jul 15, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
The way he plays he's a walking double-double already
And he’ll get a game or two where he’s lucky and his teammates hit his shots as he’s passing.
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I think I am going to be seeing a double rainbow before I see a Cousins triple double
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 15, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Depends how often he's looking to make plays
Which he’s been doing a lot of in the Summer League.
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Really?
He and Reke could get 10 in one game, give and go to the hole from the post.
We’ll see, but DMC could make Reke even more effective getting to the rim.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Well sorry but I don't see that many triple doubles from big men, even if they can pass.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 16, 2010 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions
The problem with that theory is
he only averaged 1 assist last year. Even worse is his assist/TO ratio is bad.
well
especially after he tastes success and starts feeling invincible.
I think playing against actual NBA caliber guys will humble him back down a tad. As great as I think the kid is going to be, there are a lot of guys that will take the ball away from him, outsmart and out experience him.
A lot of guys. For a year or so.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
But he's going to learn in 2 days ...
… what other players take 2 years to learn.
by Mystic on Jul 15, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
rec'd for topical reference
Kaaaaaaaahn!
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
subtle!
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 15, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Great post.
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Jul 15, 2010 10:28 AM PDT reply actions
Thank you.
I do what I can.
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Jul 15, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
If he can draw double teams in the league then I think you run a lot of offense through him
I’m just amazed at how well he handles and exploits them. I mean, I knew the guy was gonna be a beast on the boards, but I had no idea he was this skilled
This
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 15, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
So,
Now we have two guys on our team that have to be doubled.
Let the threes rain down!
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 15, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
we spend our hopes and dreams on Donté and Omri at the moment
But Beno and Cisco are the best bets for the Kings path to threedom.
by betweentheeyes on Jul 15, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Omri/Cisco are the best.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Jul 15, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I got faith in Donte
to be a fantastic off-ball player. He’ll D up, consistently cut through open space in the lane, knock down some 3s, grab so O Boards, and get everyone energized.
1 + 1 = 3 - David Kahn
He's been playing relatively well off-the-ball in Summer League
Both him and Casspi, cutting a lot, trying to get open.
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It's going to be interesting to see how they mesh
I don’t know if Tyreke has any experience cutting without the ball, though it would be pretty awesome seeing teams double team, Tyreke getting the ball and slicing through a broken defense. I’d also love to see a high pick and roll with Cousins with the ball in the high post and Tyreke running off of him.
Most hilarious thing of all: with his passing and low post scoring, you couldn’t possibly ask for a better triangle offense center than Cousins. KAAAHHHHNNN!!!!!!
by nbrans on Jul 15, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Reke will quickly learn how to cut to the basket without the ball
DMC may be the best thing that could happen for his game.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I 2nd this
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 15, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
The thing is he's such a good finisher to the basket
I would think it would be stupid for him not to learn, as he could probably redeem a bad pass off a cut into a basket.
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
Let’s facelift bar!--netetrader20
by kingsfan300 on Jul 15, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
The give and go's will be epic - and relentless I hope
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh yes, I can't wait to see those
I would love to see C-Webb become a bit of a big man consultant for Cousins as well.
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
Let’s facelift bar!--netetrader20
by kingsfan300 on Jul 15, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
C-Webb is starting to really sound great as an analyst
really knowledgable about the game. I don’t know what he’s getting paid for that but he’d be great working with DMC for a month this summer.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
The best part about Webber
is he references his experience and what he would do on the court. He has such a high basketball IQ and that carries over to the broadcast booth. Please have him replace some of the NBA guys on TNT like Reggie Miller and Mark Jackson.
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We need to bring in C-Webb
to help develop our big men. Not really sure how great Shareef was in his prime posting up.
by g4y Vulture on Jul 15, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
He was sneaky good
Not overpoweringly good
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
not sure how great Shareef was?
he was crafty as hell. Superior spin moves.
by MichaelMack on Jul 16, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I love those guys.. (reggie and mark)
Probably mostly because I was a huge Miller fan back in the day.
The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"
Because what he says is idiotic?
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by Aykis16 on Jul 15, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I like Reggie as a announcer
To me its mark jackson who says the most idiotic things.
Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.
I like Reggie too
Mark is remarkably obvious and banal
by MichaelMack on Jul 16, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
The best part is CWebb's Sanford and Son analogies
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
I like listening to CWebb too,
but the Mark Jackson/JVG pairing is incredible.
"Thank you, Coach (Theus). I'm about to kill y'all this half." --DeMarcus Cousins
The way that they had Omri and Donte driving to the rim
they may turn out to be the cutters. Like nbrans, I too like the Cuz/Reke pick and roll but with Omri or Donte coming off weak side picks and slashing to the rim as the 3rd option. Throw in Cisco sitting at the top of the arc as the 3pt threat, and that’s a lot of offense to have to defend.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Cisco is excellent at cutting in for back door layups as well
by MichaelMack on Jul 16, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
He is a better shooter. His 3-pt stats were on par with Martin pre-injury
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
That's not what the fans say there.
They said almost word for word that he would not fit in the triangle.
That’s their scapegoat for everything.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Jul 15, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, they're trying to rationalize Kahn
The responses may not be entirely logical.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
As long as DeMarcus and Tyreke aren't firing them
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no
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't really remember teams doubling on Landry, or
maybe it’s that I just don’t remember Landry passing out of the double team.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Well, he definately won't be doubled now
he’ll have some serious space.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
He gets double sometimes
and passing out of it is a big weakness of his. He usually forces up a bad shot.
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Coachie's compliment was amazing.
This guy has seen a lot of basketball and to say that Cousins is the first original player whose talents can’t be compared is phenomenal.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
by MustangMBS on Jul 15, 2010 10:31 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Where did he say that?
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
Let’s facelift bar!--netetrader20
by kingsfan300 on Jul 15, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
At the beginning of the game Webber and the other guy interviewed Coachie
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Dang, I missed it then
Anything else he said that was noteworthy?
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
Let’s facelift bar!--netetrader20
by kingsfan300 on Jul 15, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
That really stood out and was the high point
I also thought it was interesting how Webber has to reign in his take on Cousins during the game. He said he didn’t want to come across as a homer.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
I really wish the Kings could find a way to make C-Webb
a visible part of the organization. Maybe when SAR leaves as an assistant they bring in C-Webb? Some type of role like that. He’s got too much charisma and personality and roots to Sacramento not to be more visible here.
I like him as an at large analyst that also has a soft spot for SacTown.
Always good to have one of those.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 15, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly, it was nice for a change
Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.
Yeah, but he was bursting. Very tough for him to not gush.
yeah, yeah, TWSS
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 15, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
My thoughts exactly.
He can really help out the big men on posts move.
by g4y Vulture on Jul 15, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Right before the game
He siad he’d seen 1,000s of players come and go and quickly figured out that they had this move or that one in thier repetoire, he’d never seen a youg guy who could do it all with out being taught it. It all needs work – but there’s just stuff there that many guys find impossible to learn.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I can see that
Though I think Tyreke is easier to fit into a comparison with other elite players. And we just haven’t seen the full range of Cousins skills. Calipari’s comments that Cousins is nowhere near his upside is starting to make sense now.
The no look passes, seeing the floor at all levels, and seeming intuitive feel for the game are pretty amazing.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
This one thing
Will Donte Greene and Omri Casspi bristle at the lack of touches when Cousins is shooting for 20 every night? Maybe, maybe not. Fit does matter in the NBA, and we honestly don’t know if Cousins will fit poorly, well or perfectly with the other Kings.
With the exception of Reke, who CARES!
These guys need to fit around DMC. He’s THAT good. They need to make their games compatible to Cuz, or else we find new pieces that do. You don’t fit your stars to your role players, you fit your role players to your stars. DMC is gonna be a star, that part is inevitable.
Also regarding that quote
Donte was the one who dumped the ball down low to DMC for the final shot. Didn’t look like he hesitated either.
And DMC has shown he's very willing to get the ball to Donté or Omri
on breaks, or if they’re open on the wing.
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Yeah that dish to the Donte dunk was beautiful
Continue to say that Donte’s defense, shooting and ability to defer makes him a better fit to start. I like Omri’s offense, intensity and toughness as a spark off the bench.
Yeah I'm with you
He’s just been humble throughout the process.
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
Let’s facelift bar!--netetrader20
by kingsfan300 on Jul 15, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
yup definitely with you on this one
Also his vocal leadership which seems hard to believe given Donte’s generally clownish offcourt behavior
1 + 1 = 3 - David Kahn
Guys will start smelling playoffs
and will figure out thier roles and how to be important in them. Being the third name mentined on a great team is a pretty excellent thing.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I mean, do Omri or Donte' strike you as guys
who Think they can carry a team? I don’t believe so, they just want to be good.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Omri strikes me as such a guy
I think he wants to be a star.
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A All-Star maybe
but I think he’s quickly realizing he isn’t capable of carrying a team. Give it time.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I think he THINKS he can and should be a star
He’s trying to rep his whole country. That’s one thing that worries me about Omri, that he might try to do to much because of that.
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Give it time
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I think that he thinks that what you think
is nonsense.
In this article in the Bee, Greene says he wants to get the starting spot. Casspi just says “I’m trying to be the best I can be on the court.” And that is his attitude; he wants to be on the court, give it all he can and help the team win.
He had a good relationship with Tyreke, contrary to some reports, and never seemed to have trouble with Landry. Why would he suddenly have trouble with DMC? They seem kindred spirits in their fierce, competitive, take no prisoners attitude. In DMC it’s awesome, and in Omri it is suddenly a sign of him thinking to be a star?
Omri is a superstar in Israel, and he will be revered there no matter what happens next. The guy wants to win more then anything. He may be ambitious about his own goals, but if there is one things Euro’s learn much better than US players it’s the fact that they know it is a team game. And I saw Omri repeatedly looking patiently to feed the ball to DMC in the low block these past games.
Dunking Dutchman
Oh yeah players publicly always say what they're thinking.
< / sarcasm >
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Of course he does.
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I agree with this. I noticed it last game – where Donte would dish it out, Omri would shoot. Where Donte would pull up and circle back out, Omri would go on in. Donte had what looked like one bad shot – Omri had at least three.
Omri wants to be a star and win. Donte just wants to win.
by Charles L. Pierro on Jul 16, 2010 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the one on one isolations that left me with a facepalm during games lend credence to your argument.
I still think his dribbling is just as shaky as Donte’s, and he does his best work off the ball and spotting up. I’m not saying he can’t improve on his dribbling and one on one work, but I think his developed game will probably resemble a tougher minded Kevin Martin later on; he’s been getting to the free throw line the last few games.
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
Let’s facelift bar!--netetrader20
by kingsfan300 on Jul 15, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
DMC is already showing his willingness to pass
On that one break, instead of taking it up himself, he tried to pass it off to Casspi. That shows to me that he is a unselfish player, and IMO that will do wonders for the other teamates when they see him trying to involve them in the game. Right now, I don’t see that being a huge issue, but we’ll have to see
Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.
With the exception of Reke, who CARES!
Yup. If Reke and DMC are happy, then every other player on the team can “have a Coke and a smile, and shut the fuck up!”
"Thank you, Coach (Theus). I'm about to kill y'all this half." --DeMarcus Cousins
by Juan Primo on Jul 15, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+ Make sandwiches..
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by chenp22 on Jul 16, 2010 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don't think it is something we have to worry about now
If Donte turns out to be this phenominal player than he might have to be moved. That’s only if he has an issue with being the third option. For his own good & the good of the team. We have seen 3 stars can work but all of Boston’s “big 3” numbers fell off a bit for the good of the team. They were all fine with it because they were winning. Keep in mind these were 3 vets who were tired of losing.
Like I said it’s too early to worry about that. Idealy & reasonably my expectations of Donte are a great defender of small forwards, “stretch” power forwards, & some 2’s who can hit the open 3, finish on backdoor cuts, & post up smaller guys
Omri I see as a 10 times tougher Peja who likes to play defense & rebound. Peja could defend great at times(remember Dirk?) but I’m not sure he was always commited to it. It has to be a specific assignment..
I love beating dead horses.
Oh yeah.
Was anyone else a bit nervous as Cousins and Stiemsma jawed and bumped, when Boogie was barking at the ref? I can admit my palms got a touch sweaty.
I was very nervous. I thought, “Hope Cousins doesn’t lose it – and its only summer league. How is he going to deal with this stuff when the stake are higher?” Half-time couldn’t come soon enough. Fortunately, he kept his cool, used his anger to fuel him to a win.
Whew – got past one hurdle.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
stakes are^
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
I don't get why they essentially doubled teamed much of the whole game
and then left Stiemsma on him alone at the end.
But Reggie was calling the shots so . . . . .
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Interesting observation.
Looks like Minny’s attempt to provoke Cousins, backfired. Cousins better get used to this, because I am sure a lot of teams are going to be attempting the same thing with him this season.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
I hope he continues to use that anger in his play instead of barking at the refs.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
It never worked for JT.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Then again, I don't think JT is as talented as Cousins on the offensive end to be able to channel his anger into his play.
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
Let’s facelift bar!--netetrader20
by kingsfan300 on Jul 15, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
JT gets frustrated - not angry
and you’re right, he doesn’t channel it into the game often enough.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
JT just gets frustrated then implodes, rather than exploding.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
They’re different people.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
Yes, they are.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Even in the summer
league DMC plays with passion. It doesn’t matter if its a pick up game or practice, he wants to win! Nice
I suppose it's a cliche
But I think DMC will be as good as his mind will allow him to be. He certainly has the physical tools and his game skills appear more advanced right now than I thought they would be, as seen by his very good footwork, surprisingly good passing skills and all around game. Heck, he even as a serviceable J out to the 12-15 foot range, based on the shots I saw him take from that range.
I like that the dude has fire burning inside. If he channels it correctly, which I believe he can based on his comments/demeanor during/after the last game, he’s going to be kicking a lot of ass for us for a lot of years. I’ll drink to that!
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So good already...
I guess it’s a good sign that I’m already worried about Boogie’s “Decision” in another 3-4 years…
The Kings have him for five years if they so desire,
so it’s not an issue until 2015-16.
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Plus an RFA even then
No real way to lose him for 7 years
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
this is an unknow until the new CBA is signed
I hope it doesn’t change, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it does.
by betweentheeyes on Jul 15, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
unknown
please unknow that misspell.
by betweentheeyes on Jul 15, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
they'll grandfather in all existing contracts
or at least that’s what they’ve usually done with new CBAs, if I’m not mistaken
I knew it was a mistake
for me to roam into the arcane (for me) area of contracts etc…as soon as I did it.
I humbly defer to anyone who knows what the hell they’re talking about.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
The beautiful thing is that we, as Kings fans, finally have two potential corner stone pieces.
That is what is so exciting about Cuz…and Reke. Cousins’ attitude is, in part, a responsibility of the coaching staff to help change.
If Cousins had stayed in school another year or two, it seems he’d be a clear cut, awesome big, first pick. The Kings stole him, and we should be totally psyched at the potential.
Why no
blake griffin in summer league ?
"Im just here to do two things, drink some beer and kick some ass. Looks like the beers almost gone".
He's practicing but not playing.
(soft)
StR Token Female
by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 15, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Doesn't want to risk injury before he plays an NBA game again.
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by caseycheesecake on Jul 15, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I haven't forgot
shooting guard, hmmmm good defender, good three pt shooter. think his name is Francisco Gracia. Have we already forgot?
Not to be the turd in the punchbowl
But my only concern with DMC is his lack of explosiveness. His leaping ability is pretty poor, so he’s going to have to rely on his (incredibly impressive) footwork and size. Hopefully playing in practice against Sammy D and Hassan will help him improve his ability to get good shots over longer, springier centers.
The great thing about Boogie is that he seems to know exactly how to use that size and footwork to create space.
Again, reminiscent of Shaq. I’m not even afraid to make that comparison anymore. Shaq Shaq Shaq!
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by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 15, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
SHAQ!
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by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 15, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
yea but DMC has a solid jump shot
And that alone will be such a huge asset that Shaq never had.
Not saying he’ll be a Shaq in the league, but he also has gifts Shaq didn’t have.
1 + 1 = 3 - David Kahn
lots of them
But he won’t be as physically overpowering as Shaq. Shaq was/is a beast indeed.
DMC is C-Webb in a Center’s body
(with the applicable adjustments that go along with that)
and has a better shot for his age.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
DEMARCUS COUSINS IS NOT SHAQUILLE ONEAL
Shaq was a physical freak in every way. Cousins is so much more skilled now than Shaq ever has been.
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I don't know if I'd say that Pookey
Shaq was also highly skilled for a big man. Its what made him so dangerous, he was huge, insanely athletic, and also highly skilled. The one thing that Cousins for sure has him beat at is shooting and maybe passing, but in other areas I have to give the edge to Shaq.
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Uh no.
Shaq was not highly skilled. Sorry.
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Correct.
Shaq was never highly skilled. The best chance to stop him in his prime was to make him catch it more than 5 feet from the hoop. His post moves sucked, suck a lot worse now.
The fact that he was horrible free throw shooter tells you a lot about his skill level. He never learned how to release the ball off his hand with any touch.
As far as physically dominant, however, he may have been the greatest ever.
This is true
You just had to push him far enough out of dunk range (which his range was ridiculous). I disagree on his defense, he was formidable in some areas.
Physical wise
He may have the most talent in the history of the NBA. Him or Rasheed Wallace or LeBron James. But even LeBron is significantly more skilled than Shaq was.
But when you’re the size of a drive in movie with the footwork of a merry go round, you don’t exactly have to be Larry Bird either.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 15, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Incredible
But when you’re the size of a drive in movie with the footwork of a merry go round, you don’t exactly have to be Larry Bird either.
I would like to through Barkley into the freak talent discussion as well
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 15, 2010 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Barkley had more skill than Shaq did.
But yeah Barkley was a freak. Most of these guys are. Shaq was the king freak of all freaks body wise though.
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wow scary
I was seriously just looking that up, copied it and was about to paste when you stole my thunder.
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 15, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
He was tripled teamed
Two guys were always left open with Shaq on the floor. A wide open man stood 8 feet away, lets not pretend he was diming.
Exactly.
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And Shaq was also a huge defensive presence and good shot blocker.
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Defensive presence.
Mwahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
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He wasn't no real defensive presence.
He just was so damn big nobody could get around his fat ass. He didn’t keep nobody from scoring that could score though. That’s for sure.
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Wow, Pookey, this is some of the most outlandish stuff I've ever seen you say
Shaq unskilled? He had some of the greatest post footwork outside of Tim Duncan. He wasn’t out shooting threes, but he didn’t need to be. There was no one more effective in the post. Some of that was strength and agility, but also terrific post moves.
And no defensive presence?? Shaq was one of the biggest post intimidators in the league for years. He always averaged more than 2 blocks a game in his prime, and that number would have been higher except that no one even tried to challenge him inside.
by nbrans on Jul 15, 2010 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
When you got the Wingspan of a 747, baseball glove size hands and the height of a Elephant, of course you are gonna be a post presence. Blocking shots mean he had to reach up, not jump up. I will give you his footwork.. being an intimidator because of your size doesn’t you mean you were great at defense..Would you wanna go in against him..its not defense.
Founder of team Omté Caspeen
"Would you wanna go in against him..its not defense."
Dissuading a player from scoring IS defense. The fact that you defeated them before they even tried is even better defense.
1 + 1 = 3 - David Kahn
Agreed with WW.
Too many guys went at Shaq, and then succeeded, over the course of his career to think he truly impacted the game on that end.
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Wait what is happening..Is it 2012..is the world ending..Why is Pookey agreeing with me..I think i fell into the Sarchasm or something
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Nope.
2012 is coming anyway though.
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Great footwork
was the skill he had in large quantities, everything else? Not so much.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Jul 16, 2010 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I don't exactly remember him being defensive player of the year but I also don't recall him being a defensive liability.
He seemed to be pretty good defensively when he was younger.
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 15, 2010 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Well I am actually thinking about his MVP year
I don’t recall what year it was but for some reason I seem to recall that nobody could score on him. He was in shape, was focused, and realized his greatness. Of course, that was right when he realized how great he was and started to get lazier but I do recall him being pretty darn good at that point.
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 15, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
He was eaten alive in a pick and roll but the only one to eat him alive in the paint was Hakeem when Shaq was in his Orlando years.
Yup.
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There is more revisionist history with Shaquille O'Neal than LeBron James.
Which is a sad statement in of itself, but then again Shaq was always a good business card for the NBA too.
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Wow guru, I don't know if ive completely disagreed with you this often before
Revisionist history? Go look at the tapes of young Shaq, or re-read the SI article about him right when he was drafted. Shaq’s footwork is what made him who he is. A 300 (eventually 350) pound man with his footwork was unstoppable. Like him or hate his work ethic all you want, but you can’t rewrite his abilities, skill and footwork. FT’s are a completely different story
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by 27freethrows on Jul 15, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
What skill?
I never said anything about footwork or what he offered as a physical presence. I said he is lacking on real skill. I never saw it.
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My bad, I always thought proper footwork was a skill
As someone who attended basketball academies as a junior, and played (very sparsely) in college, I am surprised coaches wasted so much time teaching big men a skill that wasn’t really a skill at all.
Either that or your arm chair doesn’t know what the fuck it’s talking about
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by 27freethrows on Jul 15, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Woah
That sounds WAY harsher than I meant it to, pre-emotive apology.
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by 27freethrows on Jul 15, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Preemptive
I can’t spell gooder
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by 27freethrows on Jul 15, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Since when do I care that you call me full of shit?
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
But I don't agree footwork is a skill either.
But that’s me. I agree it’s necessary for a great basketball player but a skill? Not seeing that one.
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Does it require coaching and practice to do correctly?
I’ve never seen a child move as well as a trained athlete, but I’m sure that doesn’t make it an acquired skill.
I know I have 0% of you (publicly) changing your mind, so we’ll agree to disagree
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by 27freethrows on Jul 15, 2010 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
You have a chance of making an argument that would make me would reconsider my position.
You just haven’t come close to making that argument yet.
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I don't think I ever
Was told why you didn’t like DMC as much as the rest of us. You don’t think he was impressive at all Pookey? =[
No I think what he did was impressive.
I just don’t think it’s proof that he’ll be a star at the NBA level.
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I can agree their
But I would say that for any player. I think he has shown more promise than most at this stage in his basketball life. You can’t deny the kid has immense talent. But I can’t argue with you, their is just no proof that he will play the same against NBA talent.
Never said he didn't have talent.
So, I don’t know why I would deny that.
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I know you didn't
That’s why I said you can’t haha.
Yes it does
And yes, it is (a skill that is). People aren’t born with great footwork. It’s a learned skill (although it helps to have decent agility/coordination).
Don't say that too loud
Or Hakeem will come and dance his unskilled feet all over your ass.
Foot work for fast feet?
“Never seen a big man move like that . . . " doesn’t exactly mean he had great footwork.
Actually it does
In basketball you only have a certain number of steps to take before you have to shoot or pass. To go from back to the basket, around the side of your defender toward the hoop, then jump quickly without traveling takes proper footwork.
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by 27freethrows on Jul 15, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
The Dream was pretty quick
But he had the best footwork in the history of the game
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by 27freethrows on Jul 15, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
You can blame playing soccer in Lagos growing up for Dream's footwork.
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Wherever The Dream is mentioned...
We appear. Can I just note that Hakeem eviscerated Shaq in the finals? Thanks.
Mainly checking in to see how giddy things are over Cousins (extremely – with reason).
Don’t want to say temper your enthusiasm but be aware this is a raw kid. What he’s going to see in the NBA will blow your mind but hopefully won’t break your heart. Wait until he’s both fronted and repeatedly punched in the kidneys from behind and the whislte never blows. If he just keeps on going, that’s the franchise (no disrespect to Evans but it is). Still you guys should be over the moon – the Rockets tried desperately to get into the top 5 and DMC is why. He looks like the best player in the draft and with Whiteside Dalembert is sort ofbeside the point if you want those guys to develop fast.
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by Xiane on Jul 16, 2010 2:26 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Xiane, thanks for checking-in, your perspective is always appreciated
I agree that what Cuz is seeing in Summer League is nothing compared to what he’ll see in the Big League. But remember also that in Summer League he’s pretty much been the focus of every possession in every game. The Kings have been running things through him, and other teams have been running things to try and stop him. During the season, DeMarcus will be playing along side one Mr. Tyreke Evans, who commands a bit of attention himself. It will be very interesting to see what the Kings are able to do with that dynamic, and what other teams are able to do to challenge it.
Also, even though Whiteside has been impressive in some ways during Summer League, he doesn’t seem to be in the team’s immediate plans. Jerry Reynolds (our Color Commentator/Kings Director of Player Personnel) said the other day that he doesn’t see Hassan getting many minutes this year with all of the other frontcourt players we have. Many people are speculating that he could spend a good deal of time in the D-League this season, though the Kings have virtually no track record of using the D-League for it’s roster players (Donté did 4 or 5 games his Rookie season).
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by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 16, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks
What I think I’m trying to say is that there is a ton to be happy, maybe giddy, about with Cousins but don’t rend your garments if he doesn’t destroy the league in his first season.
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by Xiane on Jul 17, 2010 2:01 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Good to see you stopping buy Xiane
Your icon picture terrifies me
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 16, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
The scary thing is that it's a real fish.
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by Xiane on Jul 17, 2010 2:03 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You may mention Dream anytime you wish.
Noting that he crapped on Shaq like he was a nobody is perfectly fine. (Or noting that Dream didn’t play perfectly in the 86 Finals. But that’s a different story. Right?) Anyway, I know why people like DMC. There’s a good reason for it. But there’s good reason for criticism too.
Mostly I’m serving as a critical viewpoint of DMC cuz so view really have no interest in seeing him but the way they wish.
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cuz so few^
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I have resigned myself to the idea
That the evil 86 Celtics might possibly be the best NBA team ever. You have no idea how much it pains me to say that.
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by Xiane on Jul 17, 2010 2:08 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I have no problem understanding why you feel that pain.
Those Celtic teams were rather disliked by a whole lot of people. But Boston isn’t always a loved organization anyways.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
What you are describing to me
if physical dominance and athleticism.
As far as basketball skills: post moves, shooting touch, passing skills, ball handes, Shaq was below average.
If Shaq had great basketball skills, don’t you think he would have figured to shoot better than 60% more than once in 18 years in the NBA? A career 52% FT shooter after almost two decades is not highly skilled in my book.
by bench_blob on Jul 15, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Trying shooting a softball at a hoop less than 3 feet above your head
I promise it’s harder than shooting a basketball several feet below the rim. Physics; it’s science.
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by 27freethrows on Jul 15, 2010 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Fighting public perception is never enjoyable.
Welcome to the dark side. :P
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Is it?
Let’s you basic college level physics.
An object is projected toward a target that is located a fixed X distance away, but the only way through the target is in the Y direction. Therefore the X is fixed, while the Y is a variable (distance from the hoop is unchanging, but the steeper a ball travels up and down “Y” the easier it will fall through the target. Therefore the steeper the angle the projected object approaches the target, the more room it has yo travel through.
With that understanding, the farther below the target a projection begins it’s arch, the less distance in the downward direction it must travel before reaching the target.
Based off the principle that it is easier to hit a constant target size when you are closer to it, the accuracy of the projection is proportionally consistent with the starting point of the shot.
In other words, it’s easier for the ball to go through the hoop as it’s such gets steeper. And it’s easier yo be consistent with an arch when it doesn’t have to deemed as far.
This is not “public perception” but scientific fact. Physics really does apply to nearly everything in every day life.
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by 27freethrows on Jul 15, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
This is ridiculous
Why have so many other big men been successful from the free throw line? That was a great physics description but the dilemma doesn’t make hitting free throws that much harder. If it were simply a matter of distance and angle you can still shoot free throws from a lower crouch and back off the free throw line a foot.
Other big men have been better shooters than Shaq, hell yes but its the exception that proves the rulen
Look at the statistics of short players vs tall players in general. The short players will always have a better FT%.
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by 27freethrows on Jul 15, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Short players don't necessarily shoot Ft's well either.
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I had a nerf hoop
I shot the ball pretty damn well considering it was styrofoam and the size of a grapefruit. I could shoot better than 52% from across the hallway.
It's hard to disagree with that kind of logic
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by 27freethrows on Jul 15, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
About as relevant as your the angle of the dangle is inversely proportional to the heat of the beat explanation.
If science doesn't apply then i've got nothing to say
There is no way to change the mind of a man who openly avoids the facts. Ignorance is bliss.
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by 27freethrows on Jul 15, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Please explain how my hypothesis is false
It’s 2 dimension statics. It’s not too challenging.
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by 27freethrows on Jul 15, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I have no clue what you just said.
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I love your style
i have an opinion= fuck you
What= what?
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by 27freethrows on Jul 15, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
If nothing else I'm consistent.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Those objects shooting the free throws aren’t static robots with varying heights.
Those are actually human bodies, with a wide array of muscles, tissues and ligaments that can can contort the shot the basketball in absolute abundance of ways. Those who shoot a higher made percentage have actually mastered the skill better than those who shoot at a lower percentage. How is your two dimensional model now missing variable y = skill level?
It's not
Skill has nothing to do with the ease in which a ball passes through the hoop. Skill is ones ability to shoot the ball so that it matches the required trajectory to go through the hoop.
If it is statiscally easier for a ball to pass through the target with a lower starting point, then it requires less accuracy to do so.
You can argue with how much the physics makes a difference, but saying it doesn’t make any difference is ignorant.
I agree that a poor shooting 6’11 player has a chance of making the NBA, while a poor shooting 6’0 player has no chance. Again, that doesn’t change the fact that it is inarguable more difficult to make a shot that is 2’ above the realize point than 3’.
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by 27freethrows on Jul 15, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly blob.
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Kings fans have every right to be pumped up about this season and the future
For me any thing less than at least a run at the last playoff spot will be a dissapointment
by southern oregon on Jul 15, 2010 3:58 PM PDT reply actions
Remember Kobe and Shaq
It would be just our luck to have Reke and Boogie but heads. LA had to make a choice and went with Kobe. It was a fairly simple choice for them because of the age difference. How can you pick between 2 players that are all star calliber and so close in age? Let’s pray that we never have to worry about that.
After 3 Championships
I’ll worry about then.
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by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I was going to say
If Reke and Boogie win 3 chips like Kobe and Shaq did, I’ll gladly take a little feuding.
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by caseycheesecake on Jul 16, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Deep Front Line
It’s funny that in all the talk in who will be starting and coming off the bench, nobody mentioned Jason Thompson. That is how friggin’ deep this team has become in just one year at the 4 and 5.
Landry
DMC
Dalembert
Whiteside
Thompson
Greene (can play the 4 well against guys like David West)
Brockman (hopefully)
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
Whiteside will warm the bench barring injury
- and I just don’t know what we do with Brockness.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jul 15, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the question is more "What will Brockness do with us?"
It seems that the team is more than willing to give Mancakes a paycheck to bang bodies in practice, sell some T-shirts, and occasionally get in a game to show his teammates how to hustle when things are going bad. But is that what Jon wants at this point in his career? I can’t imagine he’d get a shot at much more than that with a different team, but if he did then I’d almost be happy for him.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 16, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
To be honest, I hope Brockman gets a guaranteed deal somewhere else.
Out of respect for the guy. It would be better for his career I would think.
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 16, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I want one more year with him, then I might be able to let him go and be happy for him.
Then again, I’d probably be saying the same thing after next year. I just love him, I can’t help it.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 16, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I really like him too
he is Michael Smith 2.0
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 16, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
At the same time though, he is a fringe role player right now and really likeable guy.
Oddly enough he is the type of player where I personally would be more concerned about him getting his career on track than worry about my team benefiting from it. Doesn’t make a lot of sense I suppose but I do feel for the journeyman type of players.
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 16, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I think his skill level and work ethic make him worth keeping on the roster in hopes that he blossoms if minutes open up for him.
I could totally see him developing a Lawrence Funderburke-type role: a role player on a very good team whose contributions are extremely valuable.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 16, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I loved the Funderburke baseline 15 footer
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 16, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice read.
Good point about the cohesion of Evans and Cousins, I’ve wondered the same thing.
I just hope these two work together like we know they can. There is enormous potential there. As long as these young men check their ego’s at the door, then the Kings should be a championship contender for years to come.
Brennan Huff: I have a belly full of white dog crap in me, and now you lay this shit on me?
Wasn't Tyreke campaigning for the Kings to draft DMC?
That bodes well.
As long as these young men check their ego’s at the door…
Not sure I see Cousins doing this however.
I've been reading a lot
here and watch the kings a lot. Cousins will remind you of Vlade when passing. Just remember that Cousins and Evans are products of John Calipari. Along with Rose in Chicago and John Wall in Washington. He has another #1 recruiting class coming next year. Enjoy!
Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!
Vlade Divac?
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by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 16, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
David Thorpe
Is an idiot. I hate ESPN and their shitty reporting. He was talking about how he was saying inappropriate things and what not on the floor. Cousins said after the game that it was all in good fun on the court. When Reggie said the whole getting in his head thing, he channeled that energy to dominate. What did he do after the game you ask that makes him so immature? He went to him and said “Good game, I told you I was going to kill you.” as Theus and DMC laughed (probably at that guy who was jawing at him) and enjoyed themselves.
I am starting to highly believe that people looked way too much into his attitude. I don’t remember any horrid off the court problems either. Looks like a normal 19 year old that could beat up his moms boyfriend too me.
David Thorpe is a lot of things
But an idiot he ain’t
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this
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 15, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Just because you're not hearing what you want from him
doesn’t mean he’s an idiot.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
That's not the case
His latest insider piece was basically ripping all on Cousins. If you haen’t noticed, they all want him to fail it seems. I don’t mind his writing at all, I just think he looks past everything not during game time.
Do you think Cousins was being inappropriate and immature on the court? I think he was just being competative and getting himself pumped to make a game winning shot….Which I recall him doing.
They?
I am sure a lot of NBA insiders might not like the kid but I hope you don’t mean “they” is espn.
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by wallywagon11 on Jul 15, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
just the bball writers...most at least
I read up when I see pictures of Cousins and its usually Simmons, or Thorpe, or one that never get any public attention saying something is wrong with him. I just think they should stop saying he is being inappropriate on the floor when they all are shaking hands and laughing afterwards.
by oakland9 on Jul 16, 2010 1:05 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Then Again
I could be ultimately wrong and he could have been being totally immature and rude to everybody.
Are we talking about the same David Thorpe who on June 15th had this to say on the Insider
From his column
In this draft, DeMarcus Cousins is flying this particular red flag, thanks to his high body fat percentage in the Chicago pre-draft camp and his less-than solid performances in individual workouts. His conditioning is a major question. And as with other on-court issues, it’s enough to make teams think twice before taking him."
And, back in May, in his live chat Thorpe said " if Cousins falls to the Kings at #5, they won’t take him because of all the red flags".
So, he might not be an idiot, and in fact probably knows a lot about basketball talent. He isn’t any better at perdicting the future than Chad Ford or any of the other sports writers. And, he’s just as prone to jump on rumors and innuendo’s as everyone else that has to produce a column for his readers everyday.
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Thorpe is not necessarily a person I'd trust on this issue.
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If you asked me to pick one ESPN guy to read
I’d go Thorpe. He’s stuff is more good than bad, and his analysis is usually very insightful. Again, calling him an idiot is dumb.
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And I respectfully agree with your respectful disagreement
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Personally, I've been most impressed with his ability to handle 30-35 minutes a game.
Sure, there are no limits as to how much you can foul there, but for a guy who has had to deal with conditioning questions, it’s impressive nonetheless.
My two cents
Here’s the pros and cons I’ve seen in watching the three summer league games:
Pros:
- comfortable and effective shooting to 15-18 feet
- good handle for his size, this together with the jumper and passing could make him a very good high post player (a la webber)
- great patience in the post
- great floor vision, even when on the move
- willing and accurate passer out of the post and off the defensive glass
- three decent post moves that may become devastating with more polish: a fadeaway over his right shoulder, a hook over his left shoulder and a nice up-and-under move….I didn’t see a power drop step (which he should add given his bulk)…he also showed a quick baseline spin move once or twice, but its unclear if it will be quick enough against a higher level of competition
- strong and agressive rebounder on both ends
- good, strong hands….able to catch the ball in traffic (something Whiteside struggles with)…and when he gets his hands on rebounds, they’re his
- good footwork in the post, able to move in traffic under the rim without traveling
- played with fire and passion, comptetitive
- pretty good at taking charges
- very big, strong and coordinated for his size, which should help him hold his own against the bigger, stronger post players
- he took quite a few shots in the mouth, but it didn’t take him out of his game…if anything, it seemed to raise his level of play
- played with increasing confidence each game….became a leader on the court…this will likely take a hit once he goes up against the big boys, but was still nice to see
Cons
- Seems to have the ability to run the floor, but only did it when he had the ball…this really bothered me…almost every time the ball changed ends he walked or listlessly jogged from one end to the other…I’m worried that he won’t fill lanes and/or trail plays, which will cut down on the success of the fast break…I’m also worried that he won’t get back on d consistently…..this may have to do with conditioning and the number of minutes he was playing, but it was still not good to see
- His energy level seemed to ebb and flow…again, might be a conditioning issue
- His defensive awareness was not good…I saw on several ocassions drivers going right past him without him seeming to be even aware of it….also lost track of his man several times
- Rarely seemed to go for the shot block, which one would expect with his length…his instinct seems to be to take charges, push, shove, etc….in other words to use power on defense, rather than the use of angles/length seen in guys like Tim Duncan
- In a similar vein, while I like that he plays physical, it looks like he will (as many have predicted) probably pick up a lot of fouls
- Lateral quickness seems to be lacking…Amare will go right around him…or, more likely, will try to go around him before Cousins shoves him and picks up a foul
- Not an explosive athlete, which we knew…but I wonder if this is also a conditioning thing…he was 292 at the combine with 16.4% body fat and recently said he’s down to 287….at 10% body fat he would be 268….maybe he would be faster and more explosive if he didn’t have to carry that extra weight around
- He’s a talker…it remains to be seen whether he’s a KG talker (constantly yapping, but the refs mostly put up with it) or a Rasheed talker (constantly getting techs)
- Tendency to drift away from the block when trying to set up in the post…needs to establish his position, pin his defender and give his guard a target….this is emminently coachable
- Shot selection could use some work….hopefully will come with experience
- Bad habit of acting like a guard on the wing…trying to cross fools over at 287 pounds outside the 3 point line is more likely to lead to a charge or turnover than it is to anything positive….this is also coachable
by kiyoshi on Jul 16, 2010 1:38 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
You need to give yourself more credit.
This was easily a dollar’s worth.
Rec’d.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 16, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
There is a lot of good and bad with DeMarcus Cousins.
He’s going to challenge this coaching staff that’s for sure.
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