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Excuses & Expectations (Or What I Learned From Summer League About DMC)

I know I should take my green glow on the other DMC thread and walk away into the sunset. But quite a few good points were raised and I'd like to address a few of them, while at the same time, looking forward to what we can and should expect from this year’s Kings.

Several of you accused me of making excuses for DMC. You say that as though it's a bad thing. And yet, that's how we come to determine realistic expectations. When Omri's shooting collapsed toward the end of last season, did we decide that Casspi was a head case who didn't care? Did we blame him being too fat, or pouting?

No, we made excuses. He was exhausted. He was a star everywhere he went. He expended too much energy early in the season. He had the weight of an entire nation on his back. And the fact of the matter is that all of those were true. On the other hand, rookie like Tyreke, Jennings, and Curry didn’t hit the same wall. And Omri wasn’t playing any more minutes than they were. And they had high expectations and played high energy ball.

We decided Omri was just tired, because we had no previous reasons to believe otherwise. But what if we knew that Omri had a reputation as being a hot head? Emotional? Hard to coach? Might that have changed our minds?

Let's look at a couple of quotes, about a "problem" player.

Star-divide

"His energy sagged. His confidence waned. His frustration was apparent in his slumping shoulders and frequent displays of displeasure. He stopped running the floor, stopped throwing down those monster dunks. He stopped having fun."


Who does that sound like?

More?

". . . they said the same bad things about me. That I didn't listen, wasn't coachable, was not a good guy."


Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2010/07/19/2898713/voisin-casspi-learns-to-bulk-up.html#ixzz0uAevIQ8w

Those aren’t quotes about Cousins, they are quotes about Omri—a player many of us would like to see as our starting three guard. I know red flags has come to be the same cliché NaPG became last year. After all, the media told us Cousins was a problem child. And so we came to expect that. We looked for it. We waited for the inevitable melt down. When our other rooks complained about calls, we didn’t notice as much because they didn’t have red flags. But when Cousins, argued, got down on himself, argued with other players it was because he was a hot head.

The problem is that we are not the only ones to hear these stories. Refs hear them. Other players hear them. Coaches hear them. And since opposing players and coaches look for weaknesses, they will try to get under his skin. And since refs hear them, he may very well get more than the usual rookie scrutiny. In fact I would argue that he was called more tightly, and hounded more by opposing players, for those very reasons.

The question then arises, what should we have expected from Cousins and did he in fact prove or disprove any of these expectations. When you look behind the smoke, do you find a fire or just more smoke?

For expectations, let’s look to DraftExpress

"Cousins does stand out in how small of a proportion of his possessions he turned the ball over (13.4%) and how frequently he drew free throws (22.9%, 3rd). Clearly, his ability to use his body allowed him to clear out space and create contact underneath. He also runs the floor extremely well, getting out in transition (10.8% of his possessions) more than any other center except for Mac Koshwal."

 

And

Though Cousins proved capable of creating his own shot, he was at his best when crashing the glass. He created 3.2 possessions per-game for himself rebounding his teammates’ missed shots.

 

 

Finally

Although he only took .6 jump-shots per game according to Synergy, Cousins shot a solid 1.083 PPP on them (3rd after Solomon Alabi and Tibor Pleiss), which hints at good things to come in this area in the future.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/DeMarcus-Cousins-1318/#ixzz0uByQjspYY

So we should have expected good rebounding, the ability to draw fouls, solid jump shooting, a good motor, and a low turnover rate.

How did he do?

 

Pts

FGM

FGA

FTM

FTA

Reb

TO

12-Jul

14

5

11

4

6

10

5

13-Jul

19

8

20

3

3

12

5

14-Jul

22

9

17

4

7

12

5

16-Jul

16

5

18

6

7

12

6

17-Jul

10

3

15

4

4

7

3

18-Jul

6

1

12

4

7

6

5

 Avg

15

5

16

4

6

10

5

1-3

18

7

16

4

5

11

5

4-6

11

3

15

5

6

8

5

 

He averaged 15 points per game. I think we can all be happy with that. He averaged nearly ten rebounds per game. Tied for number one in summer league. Shooting is where we have a tale of two players. Games one through three he averaged a very respectable 7 for 16 (43%). In games four through six, he shot a horrible 3 for 15 (20%). Same number of shot attempts but half the results. Considering that he shot almost 56% in college, even the 43% would seem to be a drop, but honestly no expects him to shoot the same percentage in the NBA that he does in college. The biggest concern is the drop from the first three games to the second three. Some of that can be attributed to the fact that I believe he took more outside shots. But at least as big is that he missed shots he made in the first three games. I’ll get to that in a little bit.

Free throw attempts were almost identical in all his games 4 for 5 in the first three games. 5 for 6 in the last three. An average of 6 free throw attempts and 4 makes per game. Number of attempts at 6 per game is right about what we would expect. And since his college shooting was 60%, he actually shot FTs a little better than we should have expected. Turnovers was a big surprise. This is a guy who averaged 2 turnovers a game in about 23 minutes in college. Averaging 5 a game is a bit of a concern. We may be able to blame at least some of that on playing with guys he doesn’t know, but I think at least as much blame has to go to forcing the ball. In college he averaged less than 10 shot attempts a game. Here he averaged 15.

He was regularly out running the floor. In fact as I pointed  out in my other comments, in game five he was right behind Rice and put back the miss that would have won that game had Rice not been fouled. And that was in a game where clearly he was gassed. So, yes, he does appear to have a motor and is quite willing to run for a big guy.

Now let’s look at some of the concerns. Several people on this board have stated that his minutes in college were limited because of foul trouble. I expected his college fouls per game to be high. When I actually checked though, it was only 3.2 PFs per game. That’s about 1 foul per game more than Whiteside and half a foul a game more than Monroe, who is considered more of a finesse player.

So how did he do? His six game total fouls were 4,6,2,10,5,2. For an average of 5 fouls per game. That’s pretty high, even for summer league. But if you take out the obvious outlier of game 4, it drops to a more reasonable  4 per game. One more than Whiteside.

Another big concern was his conditioning. Here I think we see fire behind the smoke more than anywhere else. Shooting percentage drops by half in the second half of the series. Fouls go from 4 per game to nearly six. Rebounds drop from 11 to 8. Points drop from 18 to 11. What explains such a dramatic drop across the board? Strength of schedule? Not likely. Attitude? Maybe. But why would his attitude be consistently better in the first three games than in the last three? That he didn’t care? I think that in part this is the case. He came out to prove something and did so in dramatic fashion in the first three games. A let down is not hugely surprising. But after a bad game, wouldn’t he feel he had something to prove again in game six? And yet that was his worst game of the series.

I believe it is clear that based on the overall drop in numbers he was gassed. He gave everything in the first three games and by game four he began fouling more on defense, driving to the hoop less, not fighting as much for rebounds. And generally conserving energy on both sides of the floor. So in this case we can put a big check next to conditioning. In fact Ellie himself said the settling for jump shots was a sign of fatigue.

Six games in seven days is hard on anyone. If you think any NBA center would not be tired by the end of that schedule you should have stopped reading this post way before now. However, the fact that the drop off started in game four is pretty solid proof that the expectation of him not being in the best shape is real. I will add a key point though. His drop off started a day after a break. Not a day after a game. If it possible that Boogie did a little too much boogying on Thursday night? No way to know, but it definitely something to consider.

Finally we have the attitude thing. To listen to the media, Cuz is a bomb waiting to explode. Ron Artest’s big brother. That is a scary thought. Did we see that? Maybe. He clearly got fired up in the Minny game. He did get a technical foul, albeit a double. He complained about calls. He talked smack. He appeared to pout when things didn’t go his way. But the problem is that he looked angry pretty much all six games. He looks angry when he interviews. He looks angry when he scores. He looked like he wanted to rip someone’s head off after he WON the T-Wolves game.

Based on his looks, maybe all the red flags were right. But based on actions, you cannot make that case at all. Ten days in Vegas. Lots of banging. The coaches putting him through trial by fire. Guys sent to do nothing but bang on him. All of that and he didn’t throw any punches. He didn’t throw any tantrums. The technical was not for a flagrant type foul but for mutual pushing and shoving. Ellie said, "He gets a little frustrated when things don't go his way." Casspi said, "We both show how we feel. I don't understand what everybody was saying about his attitude."

Check mark? Maybe half of one. He has attitude for good or bad. He cares, which is great. He complains which is not so great. Considering that we’ve had Hawes and JT, complaining to the refs and the occasional pouting is not exactly new to us.

So what’s the bottom line? Almost everything that was promised from a good side was delivered. He can shoot. He can pass. He can rebound. He has great footwork. Did you see Webber practically drooling over the kid in game three? And he wasn’t the only one. Nearly every media type that saw him in the first three games was calling him the steal of the draft. T-Wolves fans were weeping.

Right up until he hit the wall. Then everything fell apart. The only positive we can really take out of the last three games was that he didn’t implode and go ballistic on anyone. He was unhappy, clearly. But we would have been pretty irked if he wasn’t. His turnovers were high. His fouls were a little high in the first three games and a lot high once he got tired. He clearly needs to work on getting in better shape.

Can we judge anything based on the level of competition? Some would say no. These are rookies, d-leaguers, guys who will be playing in foreign countries, or not at all. And yet if these guys are so crappy why did Casspi look terrible last summer? Why didn’t Donte dominate this year? Yes, Cuz will be competing against better centers in real games. But he will have players like ‘Reke, Beno, JT, and Landry to take the heat off of him. In the Summer League he was facing double and triple teams every time he got the ball. If teams do that in real games, our other players will feast. Especially when you consider how amazing some of Cuz’s passes were.

Bottom line.

Of course this is subjective. You already know I am a Cousins fan. But I believe we can set the following expectations for 2010-11 when it comes to Cuz. He will be the best big man out of this year’s draft. (At least this year.)  He will be the best rookie big man we’ve had since many of you became Kings fans. He has the talent (shooting, footwork, passing, drawing fouls) to be an elite level big man. He will care about winning, a lot.

He will need to get in much better shape to handle a full NBA season. He will get in foul trouble and he will complain about it. He will hate losing and will hang his head when things don’t go his way. He will try to do too much. He will get yelled at by the coaches and not like it. He will probably not start most games.

He will probably play 20-25 minutes per game. When he is on, that could go way up. When he is off, or gets in foul trouble, that could quickly drop. He will make great plays that will make us all go crazy. He will make bad plays that will make us all go crazy. If he is willing to be taught, and if can mature over the next couple of years, (and this is something no one but Boogie can predict) he and Tyreke can not only be the foundation of a playoff team, but be regulars at the All Star game.

Will we make excuses for him? Of course. He is 19. He is a rookie. He played against generally smaller players in college, and for all but a handful of freaks, adapting to NBA play takes a while. There’s a reason ‘Reke was in elite company. 20/5/5 almost never happens. If Cousins comes anywhere close to averaging a double double, it will be out of this world amazing. If you expect him to do that, you may see the reasons why that does not happen as excuses. If, on the other hand, you expect to see a very talented 19 year old kid, making mistakes, learning, getting better, backsliding, acting dumb at times, and every now and then making your jaw drop, I think you have a lot to look forward to.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Jul 19, 2010 11:29 PM PDT reply actions  

SB FTW, Reke'd

nice work on summing up #15 on the Sacramento Kings, DeMarcus Cousins. And yes, I am a fan of DMC as well.

How do you play 3 good games and 3 mediocre games and win the T-Moblie Rookie of the Month at VSL?
You do it by making a large number of people become believers. The kid is the real deal. I believe it too. Even when he is off he shows he is something special.

by betweentheeyes on Jul 19, 2010 11:29 PM PDT reply actions  

FG% is the stat that concerns me the least......

Summer League is nothing like real life. Tons of games back to back, if you’re a great player they put 3 dudes on you anytime you touch the ball, etc.

For those of you with incredibly short memories, last year, 2 dudes with pretty respectable regular season FG% shot awfully (even worse then Cousins gasp) at the 2009 Vegas Summer League.

Omri Caspi went 13-44 for a whopping 29.5% and Donte Greene went 12-41 for a whopping 29.3%.

Also, everybody has more TO’s and Fouls in the summer league.

Everybody stop worrying about Cousins until we see him in real NBA game situations.

by Devastation Co. MMA on Jul 20, 2010 12:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Hey Great post

I like how Casspi is so understanding and it seems he is mentoring Boogie. Also in that article about Cisco he said he called Cisco when frustrated. That itself makes him valuable. Cisco is a mentor to all the young kings.
In one game of Cousins’s it was one of 4-6 don’t remember which one. After a terrible first half with like 7 or 8 fouls he returns and dominates the 4th and only gets 1 foul, but fouls out.
I see him starting off great, but hitting a wall and struggling for a while.
Cousins won’t be the best big man in 2010-2011 mostly because of him being out of shape and with the poor conditioning. He’ll be most skiled though.
I think in 2011-2012 he will be best player out of that draft.

by MJ5 on Jul 20, 2010 12:54 AM PDT reply actions  

When Omri’s shooting collapsed toward the end of last season, did we decide that Casspi was a head case who didn’t care? Did we blame him being too fat, or pouting?

No, we made excuses. He was exhausted. He was a star everywhere he went. He expended too much energy early in the season. He had the weight of an entire nation on his back. And the fact of the matter is that all of those were true. On the other hand, rookie like Tyreke, Jennings, and Curry didn’t hit the same wall. And Omri wasn’t playing any more minutes than they were. And they had high expectations and played high energy ball.

We decided Omri was just tired, because we had no previous reasons to believe otherwise. But what if we knew that Omri had a reputation as being a hot head? Emotional? Hard to coach? Might that have changed our minds?

See, this is the thing, and the only caveat I had on your previous DMC comment (which I rec’d). Not everyone made excuses for Omri – some thought he was getting too much praise for his early season work, some thought he would come back to reality at some point. I have to say I was part of the “tired” crowd, because Omri appeared to be a hard worker and seemed dedicated to keeping himself in shape – although it could have just been my desire to see an apparently likable guy succeed with the team. It seemed obvious to me that the kid had a ton of commitments he was dealing with that took his focus off of basketball.

In Cousins, you have a guy that’s clearly more talented than an Omri Casspi, but has far more question marks on work ethic and attitude. And while the prevailing opinion is that we got a steal at the #5 (and quite possibly the best or second best player in the draft), there’s still the possibility that we got a talented big who doesn’t have the desire or attitude to become a top-drawer star in this league.

I know it drives some people here crazy to hear that others might still be ambivalent about this kid, but in my opinion, cautious optimism is warranted. I’m not ready to just blow off the negatives we saw in Vegas while making excuses for him – there were real, tangible issues with his performance that match up with some of the negatives attached to Cousins before the draft.

So feel free to be excited, I know I still am. But keep in mind there are more than two camps here – it isn’t as black and white as saying “you think DMC’s going to be an elite player or a bust”. There are shades of gray, and I think his ultimate destination is still in question. In my opinion, the determination’s going to be in his work ethic outside of the games. Will he keep his body in shape at all times, especially during the offseason? Will he take easily to coaching? Will he harness that general anger into something positive, or will he be a technical foul machine, ala Rasheed Wallace?

I think his actual basketball skills are obvious, and I think he’s got a huge desire to win basketball games once he steps on the court, but it’s the offcourt stuff I’ll continue to be concerned about.

by otis29 on Jul 20, 2010 5:31 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

I'll offer up my view on Cousins as a bust or a star

I don’t think he’ll ever be a bust. I just think the question is whether he’s a tease or will he be a star. Kwame Brown has had a long career in the NBA for chrissake, and many consider him a colossal bust. Size is just so hard to find that bigs get 4 and 5 chances. Especially guys like Brown who don’t piss off their coaches publicly. (I know Phil Jackson has said things about Kwame and his talent, but Phil Jackson says that about a lot of players. Brown is just one of many.)

I don’t think Cousins will bust out because A) he has many skills and B) he has a desire to get better. The question is can he reach his potential or will he simply show glimpses of time to time and just hang around because of his potential.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 20, 2010 5:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

And that;s basically what I was saying. Enough people who know what they are talking about said the kid has skills that amaze them. Coaches, players, scouts. So we know he has some amazing NBA level talent. And like you said, there is no question he has desire and heart. I think what give s him a chance to be an All Star is if he is willing to listen, learn, and channel his emotions. So we either have a very good player here or a great player. I believe he would have to self-destruct (which a lot of other fans are predicting/hoping) to actually not be worth the 5th pick.

"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"

Sammyp831.

by SavageBeast on Jul 20, 2010 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Most bigs who flame out don’t have the skills or the desire. That isn’t the problem with Cuz. There was never any doubt of that.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 20, 2010 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Otis, on Casspi, I just don't think 3 months of great shooting can be a 'streak'

He’ll get more and more consistant, and he was more consistant than Donte’ even on a lot of those later bad days.

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by lietothegirls on Jul 20, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

The point I made to your previous post is one of accountability.

DeMarcus is a very talented young rookie player, who demonstrated two sides of himself at the VSL, which was clear to anyone who watched him play. As you point out, SB, he averaged 18 points on 43% shooting and 11 rebounds in his first three games; whereas, his last three games he averaged 11 points on 20% shooting (taking a lot of shots with very few falling) and 8 rebounds. Other than the 10 fouls, on game four, which fouled him out of the game, the number of his fouls were fairly consistent; FT were fairly consistent, and TOs were fairly consistent. The biggest notable difference was his shooting between the first three games and the last three games, and to a lesser degree the reduction in his rebound average.

While I do not know what factor(s) caused the difference between the first half of the summer league series and the second half, I would suggest that it was most likely some combination of conditioning, attitude (how he channeled his emotions), and discipline (possibly staying out late to enjoy the Vegas nightlife). As you point out SB, Boogie’s drop off came a day after the break, not the day after a game. One would expect that a day off would have given him the rest he needed to resume his level of play. As for the attitude issue, I have a different take from you. You describe him as “angry pretty much all six games.” I saw his attitude as markedly different in his first three games from his last three games. In the first three games, I saw him channeling his anger and frustration into his game, which enhanced his game performance and confidence. He played with obvious brilliance, gaining the attention of the league. In the last three games, I saw him pouting a lot, throwing his arms up into the air out of frustration, and reducing his overall level of performance, more sporadic. His level of play took a notable drop, as evidenced by fans and media. (I was at his fifth game, where I was able to observe him up close. Some fans were starting to heckle him. My guests were shaking their heads and wondering about all the hype about him.) I can’t imagine what it must have been like to watch his last game.

The point I was making in all of this – hold DeMarcus accountable. If his performance fell off because of conditioning, then he needs to improve on conditioning. If his performance fell off because of attitude, then he needs to continue to work on focusing his anger and frustration on his play, not on the coach, ref, or whatever else he can find. If his poor performance was due to a lack of discipline (staying up all night, partying with friends), then he needs to learn that it is important to be disciplined when he is competing. Sure, he needs support and encouragement, but he doesn’t need people to make excuses for him. He is an adult in the NBA. He needs to learn from this experience and make the changes to do better in the future.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jul 20, 2010 8:30 AM PDT reply actions  

But see this is where we (maybe) disagree

I say the kid was tired. You see that as an excuse. I see it as a known quantity that could have been, should have been, as was expected by most people who studied him.

I’m not saying that explains it away and that conditioning is not a problem. I’m saying we knew, or at least had a pretty good guess based on weight, minutes played, etc that he was not in NBA shape. It shouldn’t lessen what he is and what we got, unless you believed that he was in great shape.

So great. He’s a little out of shape. Get him in shape. What the bigger worry was by some people is that he was so heavy he wouldn’t be able to compete at the NBA level. But he dominated in back-to-back-to-back games. I believe that answers the question of whether he can play long minutes and be effective. At least against the competition that was available.

Frankly it would have been very surprising if he had played that well in all six games. Same thing with his attitude. If he hadn’t jawed at other players, complained to the officials, and moped now and then, I would have been extremely suspicious. That’s what we’ve seen in the past. It won’t change over night. But many people were predicting temper tantrums, arguing with the coach, maybe a fist-fight or two. He didn’t do any of that. So again, he fulfilled some expectations, but he didn’t explode.

I say, he’s 19. He’s got a mouth and a attitude. I don’t see that as an excuse, just a fact that I can live with. Other people may feel differently

"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"

Sammyp831.

by SavageBeast on Jul 20, 2010 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Problem is

As an NBA player, he’s going to be tired a lot – even if he’s in decent shape.

If he channels that fatigue into petulance, we’ve got a problem.

by otis29 on Jul 20, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think that we just see things a little bit differently.

I have no doubt that Cousins was probably tired; however, this was basically the same situation for the other players that attended summer league. Relative to the other players, he did not hold up as well over the seven days, as the other players had to face similar circumstances, over the same period of time.

I have never felt that he was not in shape for the NBA, but I would say that he would benefit greatly by being in better condition, by losing about 10 pounds and getting down to around 12% body fat. This is not a huge feat, if he puts his mind to it. I would have been surprised if he had played well in all six games. I am surprised that there was a notable difference between the first half of the series and the second half. His attitude was as I expected, but I was disappointed that he didn’t focus more passion into his last three games. He didn’t explore, but I would have been very surprised if he did given the low stakes of summer league.

I think where we may differ is in our expectations. I expected him to take the second half of the series as seriously as he took the first. It is not all about him. Everyone else put in their time and effort.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jul 20, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

didn't explode^

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jul 20, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

It will be interesting to see

How he looks physically coming into camp. There is some lull time here, and I don’t believe there are any mandatory team specific activities happening in the near future.

Will DeMarcus be working hard during this period, or will he be taking his newfound fame for a spin?

by otis29 on Jul 20, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope

He has a trainer working with him

"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"

Sammyp831.

by SavageBeast on Jul 20, 2010 9:42 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I am with you on this. This could be very telling.

If he is really serious about doing well, he will work to get into better condition. Thing is, it wouldn’t take that much work to make a big difference. It will take some discipline on his part (eating a good diet and working out consistently). No one is going to be there to tell him to do it. I hope that he hooks up with other members of the team to work out with them.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jul 20, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think it would be great

If he got in early with JT & Co. From what Westphal said on KHTK yesterday, there’s a group of guys looking to get into Sacramento early to work out together.

by otis29 on Jul 20, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully, DMC will take advantage of this opportunity.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jul 20, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

The thing that gets me, SD

is that if I remember correctly, you were one of DMC’s biggest supporters during the draft process. Did you think people were joking about the concerns and questions marks?

I understand that seeing things for yourself is better than hearing about them, but didn’t you know this was part of the package?

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by edm7 on Jul 20, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're absolutely right, Ed.

I was definitely one of DMC’s biggest supporters during the draft process. I still wouldn’t trade him back in for another model. I knew people were serious about the concerns and questions and I could see some of those for myself. I knew this was part of the package and I expressed my own concerns about him. I still was taken aback, by his performance and attitude during the second half of summer league. I suppose I was expecting there to be a honeymoon period. I was surprised to see some of this show up so soon, that is all. It was just a reality check for me. It also makes me realize that the coaching staff have their hands full.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jul 20, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

A lot of us knew this coming in

but it does sound like a reality check to others. There will be growing pains but the end result may be worth it. Gotta stay patient and hope for the best.

"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims

by edm7 on Jul 20, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am hoping for the best.

I have a lot of confidence in the coaching staff. I think they are pretty good talking to these young guys.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jul 20, 2010 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting theory

If true, I kind of like it. The Tao of PW…?

"We're all here because we're not all there..."

by Sacto_J on Jul 20, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had the same exact thought.

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Jul 20, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had the same thought.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jul 20, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

No I've absolutely thought the same thing lttg.

I don’t think there’s any doubt they did it on purpose.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 20, 2010 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

It would be smart

Kind of like breaking in a wild horse.

"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"

Sammyp831.

by SavageBeast on Jul 20, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah that's a great analogy.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 20, 2010 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought Wild Hearts Can't Be Broken...

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Jul 20, 2010 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Founder of team Omté Caspeen

by Widowwolf on Jul 20, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

um random question,

im learning a little tgalic (spelling? the language of the phillpines) and was wondering if your name have anything to do with that language. If so, kudos on the subtlety my friend, kudos.

huh? wha?

by effin steve on Jul 22, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's tagalog

And I believe, having read the somewhat profane explanation of the origins of his screen name, that t has nothing to do with a foreign language.

StR Token Female

by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 22, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well not to disappoint you,

but pookey in tagalog(thanks for the correct spelling) is the word for the part of the body that you, as the “StR Token Female” have that the rest of us lack. So while it would be a little arrogant to call yourself pookeyguru, its a subtle arrogance, an arrogance to be commended for but alas, that evidently is not what he meant by it.

huh? wha?

by effin steve on Jul 22, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

a pookey guru

would be a spiritual guide to the vagina. pookey in tagalog is slang for vagina, guru is a spiritual guide. Itd be like someone saying they drink jugo de papaya todos los mananas or calling yourself a chitsu champions or a slida sage, or a yee-man or a panocha plumber….most people wouldnt know what youre talking about but those who get it(namely, those who have a soft[but not necessarily moist] spot for Tom Robbins) would think of you as a “cocky” s.o.b.

huh? wha?

by effin steve on Jul 23, 2010 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Urban dictionary has several meanings for Pookey:

While the Filipino word means vagina, it is the Hawaii word for penis.

It is also a mythical creature that likes to snuggle and forage for berries. Is prone to temper tantrums to get what they want. (Does this sound familiar – a pooh bear with a temper?)

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jul 23, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

"Pookey" who knew...

I may never view the word pookey the same again… This must be a very difficult word for those of both Filipino and Hawaiian ancestry.

Seems that they could read this as , potentially, the hermaphrodite guru or guru of those with both a penis and vagina…?

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Jul 23, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

The true genesis of Pookey -

It’s easy to grin
when your ship comes in,
and you’ve got the stock market beat.
But the man worthwhile
is the man who can smile
when his shorts are too tight in the seat.

OK, Pookey, do the honors…

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Jul 23, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would be a good analogy if I had money.

Or a law degree.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 25, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

thats a crack up,

its almost as good as the thai word for penis, pika chu.

huh? wha?

by effin steve on Jul 23, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Okay let me settle this

Since I know how my name originated from, I’ll explain it PC police be damned.

Many years ago, when I used to talk hoop on Yahoo, i had a name Kingsguru21. That’s where the guru part came from. The Pookey part is a bit more complicated and where the PC police can have their say.

For whatever reason, I was drinking at the time and talking to someone in the chat room about something or other. For whatever reason, and I went along with it (again no idea why), he decided he was going to make me his slave and call me Pookie. (Yes, like the slaves from the 1600’s to 1865.) Being the smartass that I am, I changed it to Pookey.

Thus, Pookeyguru was born. I’ve used it for many many years. I hate explaining it to people for a number of reasons.

1) The stain of slavery will effect the US until it no longer is the US. We see it in our government, ourselves, and who knows what else. It’s not typically funny in any setting and looking back I don’t find the idea of being anyone’s slave particularly funny. However, at the time, and in some ways looking at it from a retrospective point of view, it’s not that big of a deal. You can look at it two ways: One that I’m insensitive. (Which I am.) Or, two, that the joke pales in comparison to the act in the first place. You can decide if I’m dishonoring a group of people that, among other things, were genetically bred, beaten to death, or near death, worked for very little compensation to name a few of the atrocities that occurred. The South was a Police state (to protect Slavery in the South and profit off it for those willing to catch runaway slaves) for the last 4 decades slavery was legal in the US. Nearly every major decision in the US from 1820 to 1865 hinged around legal Slavery. Stemming from this, you had another near century of an entire group in the US being oppressed due to the color of the skin. (Not to mention a number of laws that have effected numerous other non-white Americans and oppressed them in similar, if not worse, ways.) As Molly Ivins has noted many times, Lyndon B Johnson said frequently that signing the Civil Rights Act in 1964 would cost the Democrats the South in 20 years. (This was said in 1964.) You can judge whether that happened for yourself.

You want the issue of Slavery to go away or not be discussed here? Fine. Read #2. But my point here is that unless you have a time machine and can keep Columbus from starting an export Slave trade of Natives, or Indians, (which lead to the import of West Africans to the US in the 1640’s), then I suppose you’re barking at the wrong person. I didn’t create slavery or make the original joke. I’ve just carried it on with for no real reason. I just saw no reason to really care about the origins of the name. (Then or now.)

2) I’m not discussing #1 any more than I already have.

As far as the “vagina” or “penis” aspect of this conversation, there is no reference to that in the “Pookey” moniker. I had no idea Pookey even meant that in either language until much later. Although I was living in Hawaii at the time the name was created.

The funniest response to “Pookey”, strangely enough, came from my Dad a long time ago. He pointed out to me that one of his ex wives used to have a dog named Pookie. Nobody has topped that before or since.

Hope this was what you were hoping for.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 25, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

right on, man.

Im a straight, white male and i know women, gays, and non whites have all had encounters with sexist/ignornant/racist people that ill never have so maybe im the wrong person to say this but it sounds like you were just taking the power of his insult back from him. Its what a lot of minorities and nonminorities have done and continue to do.

Question, the dog’s name, was it just a cute sounding name or do you know if she meant that the dog was lazy and never went outside and perhaps had dark fur?

huh? wha?

by effin steve on Jul 26, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

No clue about the dog.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 26, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

He led VSL in minutes played Slam

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jul 20, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which is a measure of time on court.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jul 26, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

There is a difference between quality and quantity.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jul 26, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

The things is Slam

You want it both ways. You want it to prove he was out of shape AND that he has a bad attitude. You say it doesn’t matter that Wall only played four games, but DOES matter that other players played six games with wearing out.

Unless you have some proof I haven’t seen this an unfounded accusation. The only thing we know for sure, because it came straight from Ellie himself, is that Cuz was exhausted, and the coach—not you or me—believes that’s why he was settling for outside shots.

I expected him to take the second half of the series as seriously as he took the first. It is not all about him. Everyone else put in their time and effort.

Please show me where one single person on the team or coaching staff said that he did not put in the effort. Just one. As far as putting in the time, he put in more time than any other single player in Summer League.

Saying he did not hold up as well as we would have liked for the full seven days is fine. We agree he needs to get in better shape—although again, I would submit he will never play these kids of minutes in the NBA during any seven day period. But blame the big guy of giving up unless you have a heck of a lot more proof than your opinion.

"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"

Sammyp831.

by SavageBeast on Jul 20, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry should say don't blame the guy of giving up unless you have proof

"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"

Sammyp831.

by SavageBeast on Jul 20, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

When I said that it didn't matter that Wall only played four games...
You want it both ways. You want it to prove he was out of shape AND that he has a bad attitude. You say it doesn’t matter that Wall only played four games, but DOES matter that other players played six games with wearing out.

I was referring to the fact that you used it to give an excuse to Cousins’ play. My point being, it was irrelevant how many games Wall played. Cousins played six. A lot of other players, played six games. The likelihood is that Wall would have done fine with six games.

Unless you have some proof I haven’t seen this an unfounded accusation. The only thing we know for sure, because it came straight from Ellie himself, is that Cuz was exhausted, and the coach—not you or me—believes that’s why he was settling for outside shots.

I didn’t say that Cousins wasn’t tired. I said that right up front that he probably was tired. As I said, I was at the game and made my own observations. I could see a difference in his level of play, his pouting, displays of attitude, etc. I also watched his earlier games on broadband. Course, if you don’t want to count my observations as having any validity, then that is a different matter.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jul 20, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't know

When the guy who was coaching him and the guy playing next to him both say that his scoring was down because he was exhausted, I tend to believe them. I’ve been to VSL, I was there just last year. And Casspi looked like he didn’t have a chance to play in the NBA. I observed it myself. And yet I was wrong. I’m not all that sure that watching ia game in person gives you all that much more insight than watching it on a big screen NBA TV broadcast. But go for it. Tell me what you saw that convinces you that Cousins was not only tired, but didn’t care about trying to win.

"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"

Sammyp831.

by SavageBeast on Jul 20, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

And just to clarify my point

I don’t disagree that he was out of shape. What I disagree with is your contention that somehow you know by sitting in the stands that Cuz was dogging it because he had a bad attitude. On thing about Ellie is that he says exactly what he thinks. If he thought Cousins was just being lazy or didn’t care, he would have said that.

But here’s the quote from the Bee.

Elie said fatigue is setting in for Cousins after five games in six days.

“We know when he’s getting tired because he wants to drift out,” Elie said.

Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2010/07/18/2897558/kings-notes.html#ixzz0uGmwfTDE

Fatigue, not partying too much. Not moping. Not a lack of interest. Fatigue. Guy was dead tired. I don’t care if other guys did play 6 game six games and went dancing after. That doesn’t make Cousins a bad guy.

"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"

Sammyp831.

by SavageBeast on Jul 20, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I already told you my observations.

You are entitled to your view and I am entitled to mine. We can agree to disagree on this one.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jul 20, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or we can disagree to disagree :)

"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"

Sammyp831.

by SavageBeast on Jul 20, 2010 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's fine.

Regardless whether his performance was solely due to fatigue or a combination of factors, I think we can both agree that we want the best outcome to come from this. We are both rooting for this guy to be successful.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jul 20, 2010 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

I hope we are wrong on every bad thing we think about him, and right on every good thing. But that’s probably not going to be the case. I just hope he’s working with a good trainer this summer.

"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"

Sammyp831.

by SavageBeast on Jul 20, 2010 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am with you:)

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jul 20, 2010 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I never realized how risky this situation was.

The fact that the organization would push Cousins physically so hard so early definately makes us believe that they’re just trying to see how he’ll react. Testing his mental toughness and will to better himself.

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Jul 20, 2010 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

great analysis

nicely done savage beast…will be anxious to see how he looks and acts coming into camp. hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

by Kings160 on Jul 20, 2010 8:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Probably the best course of action

"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"

Sammyp831.

by SavageBeast on Jul 20, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

DMC exceeded expectations on his talent.

I prefer to focus on his upside. His passing skills surprised and astounded a lot of people. A big man with no-look passes and lob passes half way up court right on the money? WTF???

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Jul 20, 2010 3:00 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Yep.

That was one part of his game that surprised me the most. Thought we lost that with Hawes, but I think DMC is actually a better passer.

"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"

Sammyp831.

by SavageBeast on Jul 20, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you

DMC demonstrated passing skills that I have never seen in a big man. Coachie said that he is the first original player, of a mold all his own, that he has ever seen. Basically, that there has never been a player with his natural skill set. I was pretty shocked to hear that.

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Jul 20, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plus, you said this
DMC demonstrated passing skills that I have never seen in a big man.

That’s really what I was responding to. Unless you weren’t around in the early 2000’s, you’ve seen two of the best passing big men to ever grace an NBA court.

by otis29 on Jul 20, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, that was my thoughts and I think it is true. My opinion. The rest was coachie.

He has had more opportunity to see something maybe we haven’t seen enough of yet. It is the only way I can see him saying that.

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Jul 20, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn’t watch Webber when he was 19. But I doubt he passed as well as Cousins is right now. It’s almost as if somebody put J-will’s 19 year old passing skill in our lovable big man. Is that too homer?

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Jul 20, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think so...

Cause it wasn’t just Kings fans saying it. It was every announcer and guest commentator.

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Jul 20, 2010 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Coachie's comments were somewhere after the 2nd or 3rd game.

Warrants mentioning because everyone was all kinds of giddy at the moment

Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed

by wallywagon11 on Jul 20, 2010 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

And that at 19 with very little coaching

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jul 20, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

It was interesting that so many people who know the game say that DMC has skills that just can’t be taught. It helps me to make sense out of Calipari’s comment that DMC is nowhere near his upside yet. With all the talk about how developed his offensive skill set is I found that comment a bit of a surprise, but now I get it.

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Jul 20, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you just look at his first three games in the summer league...his skill set was amazing.

If he can consistently bring that to his games this season, fans are going to be thrilled. His no-look passes bring an exiting element back to our team.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jul 20, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I found his passing through traffic to be a complete surprise.

He would pass through two defenders and hit his slashing team mate repeatedly. Somebody that big who can pass our of double team, he will get, like that is pretty damned exciting.

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Jul 20, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, I forgot about that. He did show that he can pass with guys right on him.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jul 20, 2010 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Go back and count the number

of his passes which bounced off other guys hands. Hassan bobbled or didn’t finish and was fouled on a bunch, most of the guards . . . . Familiarity with his passes (and good hands, suspect in Hassan by the way) would have put his assist numbers waaaay up.
On the other side of that coin, expect him to have a lot of turnovers as a rookie.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jul 21, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think he lost 3 or 4 assists a game that way.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jul 21, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah. I noticed that there were a lot of passes guys didn't get.

His assist numbers would have been higher, if guys would have half of them.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jul 22, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice read. Thanks for this, SB.

This has been discussed before but I could read points like this over and over again.

But he will have players like ‘Reke, Beno, JT, and Landry to take the heat off of him. In the Summer League he was facing double and triple teams every time he got the ball. If teams do that in real games, our other players will feast. Especially when you consider how amazing some of Cuz’s passes were.

RIP, Coach Wooden.

Thank you, Geoff Petrie.

by JETisKing on Jul 20, 2010 8:56 PM PDT reply actions  

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