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Full disclosure, I had intended to write this prior to the draft but, out of an irrational fear of the Kings subsequently selecting Ekpe Udoh, and further remembering a premature piece I’d attempted to write several years ago about the Kings having representatives from 4 of the 5 NYC boroughs on their roster in anticipation of their drafting Joakim Noah, only to watch him land in Chicago, I decided to hold off until post-draft. Of course writing now, realistically, there’s the risk of irrelevance, but when the options are Cousins or irrelevance, given that the alternative, not taking Cousins, could have been a harbinger of the Kings’ irrelevance, I’m comfortable immersing in the now immaterial.

Star-divide

In the weeks leading up to last two Thursdays ago there was some conversation on whether or not Monroe and Cousins were comparable talents. The logic was that while Cousins had the better objective skill-set and broader body of work (a broader body in a shorter period of time no less) Monroe, in a situation that would accentuate his subtle skills, could be the better pro. The extended argument was that Sacramento was one such situation. And in a vacuum that argument wouldn’t be misguided. Petrie, after all, made a career off finding undervalued and/or underappreciated players badly miscast in systems that didn’t utilize their unique abilities and, often for 50 cents on the dollar, brought them to Sacramento where they flourished. And it was here where those players became, only naturally, subsequently overvalued. Remember it was not all that long ago that analysts, when discussing the Hedo-Pollard-Miller trade, said Sacramento had effectively given up Hedo to get, in Miller, the same player as Pollard. That subsequent season Miller was an All Star who carried the Kings to the second round of the playoffs. It was also not all that long ago that Petrie was criticized for not being committed to winning by those same analysts because he didn’t want to overpay Jim Jackson.

In the good old days of the Kings Petrie had come as close as a General Manager could to running an NBA team the way one runs an NFL team. Petrie had a system; a coach who understood the system; and an assistant coach/mentor more or less responsible for creation of said system; in place. 

The only other General Managers that came close to having that sort of cohesion and autonomy were RC Buford and Joe Dumars. I find Dumars and Petrie to be intriguing foils for one another. In the era prior to the current days of swashbucklers like Morey/Pritchard/Presti, Buford/Dumars/Petrie were the league’s most lionized GM’s. Primarily for their ability to find fit where others found fissures. While Buford has heretofore avoided any rough patches both Petrie and Dumars have, particularly recently, confronted considerable adversity. And their varying approaches to said adversity, and the current state of their respective franchises, was crystallized, to me, in this year’s draft process.

Cousins, not unlike Monroe with Sacramento, was deemed to be a natural for Detroit. And, not unlike Monroe with Sacramento, that fit seemed in relation to historic, and not current, interpretations of the roster. No one could look at the current Kings roster, with Evans and Casspi and Thompson and Brockman, and see the modern workings of the Princeton 2.0. And similarly one would be hard pressed to look at Detroit in present format, with Gordon and Daye and Villaneuva and Kwame, and see the second coming of the Play the Right Way Pistons. Ironically, or not ironically, but at least interestingly, Cousins and Monroe ultimately made the most sense for the present directions of the respective franchises that drafted them. Dumars may have liked Cousins because he resembled what the Pistons were, but Cousins isn’t what the Pistons are. Sacramento saved Dumars from himself. And after spending the better part of the past decade being relevant because they were likeable, or unlikeable because they were irrelevant, the Kings, with their roster of one and done wonders and demonstrative big men suddenly, and refreshingly, have the chance to be relevant because they’re unlikable.

And does any of this mean anything in the end? Tough, and too early, to tell. I just know I’d rather end the day in a cop car then start it in one.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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I rec'd this because I don't have the time to read it now

But I figured I was probably going to rec it if I had.

Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on Jul 2, 2010 8:52 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

You must not have read rbiegler before

And now that I have read it, I feel its safe to say that my rationale was perfect.

Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on Jul 2, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rbiegler is like Coachie.

I love him, he is awesome, and I always want him around. Great post as always.

by mayfieldcol on Jul 3, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

and yeah, I read it!

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Jul 2, 2010 9:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Great read

You have a unique and fascinating take, as always. I’m wondering if you’d like to explain your “relevant because they’re unlikeable” comment. My first reaction was that these Kings, even DeMarcus, are actually very likeable because they try hard, they have fun, and they’re good people. But then I realized that that’s from the fan’s perspective; from the media’s perspective, they probably are a bit unlikeable. Tyreke with his tiny public presence, DeMarcus with his bravado, and otherwise not much of a story (other than Omri).

"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie

by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 2, 2010 9:39 AM PDT reply actions  

AWESOME Avatar.

Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on Jul 2, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Been wanting to change, reading yet another “red flags” comment this morning gave me the inspiration.

"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie

by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 2, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

The way some people badmouth him, you'd think he was.

"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie

by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 2, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome avatar.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do think they’re going to be a comparatively chippy team. I don’t want to pass this off as if I’m the first person to say it, because I’m not, Chad Ford for one talked about it on Bill Simmons podcast post-draft. While the Good Kings had historically been an enjoyable and engaging group they were also perceieved, from the outside looking in, as a thin skinned bunch that couldn’t get over officiating and took punchlines like “The Sacramento Queens” a tad too much to heart. This isn’t that roster. I don’t think the Kings are going to turn into Detroit circa 2004 by any means, they’re still too offensive minded. But given that the Kings have been in a sort of perpetual identity crisis and that much of that, from Webber’s comments in that Marty McNeal column to the Artest trade to the Adelman firing, stemmed from a collective sense that this bunch needed to get tougher, I think after all the rough years, they actually, organically, are starting to get tougher.

And assuming these kids do get good I can see opposing fanbases demonizing, good naturedly I would note, guys like Evans and Cousins and Casspi, who are just too big, too strong, too good. Potentially.

by rbiegler on Jul 2, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Now it's just the fans who get butt-hurt with every perceived slight.

I think we’ll find, that even though it’s taken the better part of a decade, change in the perception of the team will still come much faster than any adjustment of the fanbase’s collective inferiority complex.

Great post, by the way. Made me think of this for some reason:

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Jul 2, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Weird

That’s exactly what I’ve always imagined rbiegler would look like.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jul 2, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Like Daniel Day Lewis with the 'stache?

or like a steaming pile of dung?

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Jul 2, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m probably closer to the later than the former.

by rbiegler on Jul 2, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol

I was actually going with the ’stache, the top hat, everything.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jul 2, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Turns out, it's right for all occasions.

I was actually trying to find a decent shot of his fake eye, but maybe my subconscious got the better of me.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Jul 2, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would also have been happy with the Daniel Plainview milkshake meltdown. Though at least this corresponds a bit with the early NYC sentiment.

by rbiegler on Jul 2, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Geoff Petrie, to David Kahn:

“I drink your milkshake!”

"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie

by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 2, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I need

some plaid pants. anyone know where I can find some?

Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.

by TheFifthMookie on Jul 2, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

seriously

Plaid pants would be freaking awesome at burning man this year

Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.

by TheFifthMookie on Jul 2, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

What size are you?

I have plaid pants and am going to the burn.

by avishai on Jul 2, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cool, I gotcha

“Unlikeable” more in a vintage-Shaq sense. I could live with that.

"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie

by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 2, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd love that

if it were our guy who was like that

Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.

by TheFifthMookie on Jul 2, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome ending line.
I just know I’d rather end the day in a cop car then start it in one.

by mbcarval on Jul 2, 2010 9:53 AM PDT reply actions  

It would have been better if I hadn’t misspelled than.

by rbiegler on Jul 2, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good read. I keep wondering how Casspi fits into all of this. He’s extremely likeable, even in other cities (a big part from his Jewish roots, but still likeable).

by LOUiECOG on Jul 2, 2010 10:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Caspi

Is not about unlikability and all about toughness. And more as a player than a person. Dude grew up in Israel. Beautiful, extraordinarily rich country culturally. But if all those National Geographic and Frontline specials I’ve seen are any indication it’s not exactly the easiest place to grow up.

by rbiegler on Jul 2, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aside from the Bond villian good looks?

Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile

by Balky Needs on Jul 2, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

I’d love to see a Evans, omri, brockman, jt and cousins line up. Talk about tough

by BearKing on Jul 2, 2010 10:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Amare's about to get a

$100mil/5yr contract from the Knicks. Yikes!!!

by StevenG on Jul 2, 2010 11:25 AM PDT reply actions  

finally

we can remove NY from the list of potential LBJ destinations. i don’t think he chooses NY with Amare there and not Bosh.

by Madzillagd on Jul 2, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good morning guys, nice article, rbiegler

I'm about 93% sure that Marion did Marijuana, the other 7% is probably weed.

by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 11:49 AM PDT reply actions  

I actually was hoping Randy Watson and Sexual Chocolate would perform live at this post’s premiere party.

by rbiegler on Jul 2, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nice rbiggy big. Enjoyed it.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 2, 2010 1:02 PM PDT reply actions  

B u EG LER rrrrrrrrrrrrrrtitkul only

Poetic word Justice served in some good at sport palatable writing and by waiting well-is put together b I e g ler-ful. Jeff does not in reality proffer all that sexy of draft list nor stick as contender-few great keepers-trade bait but key is it is overly crucial to realign the flourishing opportunity with Cochie reward play-He is for these pro-kids in their high teens=twenties a GOD if not a true Basket Ball (P) Prodigy. His style takes exceptional timing-cutting and brilliant big man passing skill-all offering scoring with huge across the board reward. Something MR. big daddy bucks will certainly flourish if staying put…with Senior Scott who the stupid King’s once available failed to nab him-again…Jeff’s perfect cochie guy is Scott.
Alderman humored Jeff-and many countless times-screwed it up late tight games-drawing plays cochies heart failed to take…mine too. Real Zingers…dah!
Nevertheless, the exciting news is b I e g ler MR T. needs 2 playground baller’s running behind and 2 kids filling the wing’s…and one bad a…PF 4 T to run right up his back and weakside C-a Tree who looks like that new GIFT w/Angelic wingspan far above the rim.
However, Mr.T must use the one pivotal action in the cochie rules…"reward"-give them a hoop for every block or rebound…min. 10 hoops each night or hit the bench…yes, it will work right off with proper conditioning. On the other hand, Westfalls Ego is it ready to fly with rewards.
Wings…Give KK max riches now! It is Jeffs Poetic Justice for a host of beyond the arch-Doobies who were not tough enough to play darts. This little older kid likes playing aggressive guard play too! Splash it down with terms offering rewards…tough people get going in tough times. Next year is hooey… Its P Monkey watching Mr.T smile playing no more hooey time…

Poetic brought it down to grade 9 at 65%…..perfect read

by Poison Monkey on Jul 3, 2010 1:06 AM PDT reply actions  

I hope you were 100% perfectly serious writing this.

And I say this with a buzz off 2 beers.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2010 2:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

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