I’ve been advised that Philadelphia, with its surplus of swingmen, is open to moving sharpshooter Jason Kapono, who has one season left on his contract at $6.6 million. Kapono is a natural target for teams in the hunt for a perimeter specialist with Mike Miller and Kyle Korver getting snapped up early in free agency.
(Philadelphia is not currently in real danger of the luxury tax, but this is worth noting.)
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Minimum payroll
The Kings still need to spend about $3 million in order to get over the minimum payroll threshold.
Not sure
why we aren’t looking at unrestricted FA Roger Mason, he made around $3.7M last season. He is a pretty good outside shooter. I would rather have Mason than Kapono any day of the week, and Adam Morrison is a joke.
by g4y Vulture on Jul 20, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather make a run at Delfino myself
But I could live with Kapono for a year.
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No way
Bucks part with him. Did you see how well he performed in the playoffs.
by g4y Vulture on Jul 20, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
You're correct
The Bucks asking price is probably way too high, but if we don’t make the phone call we’ll never know!
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by tomroadrunner on Jul 20, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Barnes
We possibly have pieces that could make this work with ORL since the Raptors thing might fall through.
I’d rather have Barnes than either of these two.
If Barnes signs now it will be a multiyear deal.
Kings should wait and see if no one else signs him. Then they can get him for only a year or two in a couple months.
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by Aykis16 on Jul 20, 2010 10:49 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Good call.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Hopefully
We try to do something and don’t just sit on the sidelines. We need some outside shooting.
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If the Kings wanted Kapono wouldn't they have made him a part of the Hawes trade?
But either way, count me as decidedly against veteran stopgaps. No Ime Udoka, no Matt Barnes, no Jason Kapono. Another veteran on the roster is only going to tempt Westphal into giving him minutes at the expense of developing the guys who should be getting the minutes. All credit to Udoka for being a pro, but every minute he got at the expense of Casspi and Greene last year was a minute wasted.
In my opinion the Kings should be looking for a) long term solutions or b) young player stopgaps. At least the young stopgaps could potentially blossom into something more. Giving playing time to a veteran who will not possibly be around in a few years is a waste.
I don't want a stopgap who isn't a 2
I assumed Kapono was a 2. If he’s not, then no thanks. Who that’s out there (and presumably a 2) and meets your a and b criteria? I don’t know, but it ain’t looking like any of our summer league guys!
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I think you're underselling the value of another expiring deal...
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
I think you're underselling the value of having a veteran presence around the kids.
Even one without a history of winning, like Udoka. I think it does a lot of good to have someone that’s been in the league a bit and been through all of the ups and downs of several seasons. I think it helps to have that kind of guy be a relatively minor role player, someone who is there mostly as a locker room guy, but can step on the court when necessary and be a professional even when things are going bad. Take “The Comeback”, for example. I’m sure Ime had a bigger role in that than just the huge shots he hit, as I’m sure it means a lot more to the team in those moments to have Ime hit those shots and come back up the court clapping his hands and telling the guys “c’mon, let’s go, let’s do this” than to just have the coach telling them that from the sidelines.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 20, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
didn't Ime Sunday Udoka have a history of winning from 2007-2009 with the Spurs? or did they suck?
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
I was thinking more in contrast to guys that had a real role on a winning team.
There’s lots of guys in the league with rings that aren’t really perceived as champions.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 20, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
agree with that
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
Yeah I get what you are saying
A leader sort of. Someone to keep the young guys focused and prepared.
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by Surprise Team on Jul 20, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
someone to EAT the donuts that all the young guys are carting around
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
There's always a need
for a certified NINJA on the team. Udoka as your backup 2 is not a horrible thing. I like the Roger Mason idea as well, but probably not as cheap, and he certainly is no NINJA….
"We're all here because we're not all there..."
This team has veterans
Beno, Francisco, Dalembert, Landry, not to mention coaches who were players just a few years ago there to provide leadership. I’m not worried about leadership. I think the necessity of having a veteran around is somewhat overblown.
The reason, I think, that Petrie kept around vets like Mikki Moore and Ime Udoka was to win games, not to babysit.
Ime wasn't here
until the beginning of last season, when we were coming off a 17-win season. I wouldn’t compare him to the Moore signing, which was when Petrie was still trying to avoid a total rebuild and fake it until he made it.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
by NewEraKings on Jul 20, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Young vs. stopgaps
In my opinion the Kings should be looking for a) long term solutions or b) young player stopgaps. At least the young stopgaps could potentially blossom into something more. Giving playing time to a veteran who will not possibly be around in a few years is a waste.
If this is the case, why did we trade Hawes for Dalembert unless it was just the necessary cost of getting rid of Nocioni?
If the trade was made to actually turn the Kings into something a little sooner, why can’t we be aggressive in improving the ballclub?
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
by NewEraKings on Jul 20, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Dalembert could conceivably be a part of the future
Maybe it’s less likely now that DMC is on board, but center was a serious position of need, and that deal also had cap benefits.
Kapono is a SF who could only take minutes away from Casspi and Donte, and I’m not up for that. Better to get those guys as much playing time as possible.
Maybe it's better to say
that center is a more important position than small forward, at least for this team. Or that we were simply were too young for our own good and needed to add some veterans for at least a semblance of consistent competitiveness.
Otherwise, Hawes is in the same as Casspi and Donte: young and raw and towards the bottom of the league in current performance at their position.
That said, Kapono would have to play SG for us for this deal to make sense, because we have already made the call on which youngsters to keep and develop and which to throw away.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
by NewEraKings on Jul 20, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Otherwise, Hawes is in the same as Casspi and Donte: young and raw and towards the bottom of the league in current performance at their position.
I don’t think either Donte or Casspi were near the bottom of the league at their positions. Their per 36 minute numbers are decent, if unspectacular. Hawes was a bad defender and rebounder for his position.
"Decent, if unspectacular"
That sums it up nicely.
Casspi ranked 28th in PER among SFs last season and Donte was 43rd. Among players with at least 24 minutes per game, 19 of the 30 teams have a higher-ranked SF than Omri and another five teams have a player within a point. Some like Phoenix have two better SFs. I’d hate to see where he ranked if you were talking about the second half of the season.
Hawes ranked 34th among centers, with 10 of those guys averaging less than 24 mpg.
Like I said, young and raw and towards the bottom of the league in current performance at their position.
I am not saying PER as a stat is the be-all and end-all of the discussion, so if you have other stats that shed more light or cast our guys in a better light, please share.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Casey's stats say that
Donte was like a 6 last year. Casspi was a 7. Hawes was a 4.
So yeah, as you can see, these aren’t universally accepted YET, but they are very very accurate. (Based on a super scientific scale of 1-10)
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by caseycheesecake on Jul 20, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And that's despite Hawes having more experience than Greene or Casspi combined.
"Where hope goes to die"
I don't think it was stats based at all
The huge difference is between skill sets.
Donte’ and Casspi both had a skill set that fits with what the Kings want, but Spencer Hawes’ skill set did not. His stats and where he ranked don’t matter. He just did not have the rebounding and defensive abilities that PW wanted.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
by MustangMBS on Jul 20, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Young prospects aren't necessarily a dime a dozen
Vets are. The only way we get a young long term solution is if we spend. Obviously that isn’t happening. AT ALL. If the GM & coaching staff thinks we can make a run at the playoffs with a guy like Kapono or Barnes I’d be all for it.
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Jul 20, 2010 1:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Word.
Word = the new “this”?
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by PhutureKings on Jul 20, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Kapono
Now there’s a name that will sound natural in a Haiku.
I can live with this for a year.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
hmmm
Jason Kapono
What can he do other than shoot?
Is that worth 6 Mil?
by betweentheeyes on Jul 20, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Not worth the money,
Unless it means the playoffs,
Then I could see it.
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by PhutureKings on Jul 20, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Cept we still need a good backup shooter, could use him as trade off for mid year, we are still under minimum by 3 million, and honestly would rather see him rather then sloan or jackson on this team
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"What can he do beside shoot?
Now it works as a haiku. You’re welcome.
by TheFNG on Jul 21, 2010 7:48 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Jason Kapono
Japanese/ Hawaiian name.
Why is he so white?
by TheFNG on Jul 21, 2010 7:53 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Nothing wrong with an overpaid shooter on the expiring deal...
Make the trade Geoff.
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Local connection
I used to work for Kapono’s father-in-law in the Bay Area, so maybe he would want to play closer to family
by tricky bastard on Jul 20, 2010 12:57 PM PDT reply actions
That's cool
But he doesn’t need to be persuaded to come here in a trade. He just gets sent.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 20, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
yes, i doubt a player of his "quality"
has a no trade clause
by tricky bastard on Jul 20, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Woof! Woof!
/wags tail in approval.
At he knows his role.
by betweentheeyes on Jul 20, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Rather take a flier on a sharp shooting DLeaguer
than mr. kapono. $6m for a 1 year rental is just way too much.
" 1 + 1 = 3 " - David Kahn
Exactly!
Only 3 million, not 6 million. And I rather spend that money to stash 3 DLeague upside players than purposely overpay Kapono. If he was a FA, none of us would offer him $6m this year.
And spending that money is no problem whatsoever. I’m sure there are a dozen franchises who want to shave $3m off their payrolls and would unload a player of value or a future pick in order to get it done. We could also upgrade a player, for instance Beno, by trading him for a higher paid PG who happens to be better also.
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