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Who would you protect?

Well, I was thinking and I haven't written a FanPost in a while. I didn't want to write one just for the sake of writing one, so I really had to think hard about something to write about that would spark something up. I got the idea of this FanPost while watching one of the Kings summer league games. In fact, the person that gave me this idea was none other than Robert Horry, one of the most hated players in the hearts of Kings fans. He was on air for an interview and presented an interesting idea; The idea of adding another team to the league.

That led me to thinking about a possible expansion draft, and the subsequent question...

Who would you protect?

Star-divide

(I never listen to that music you "old-timers" put right here, so I'll give you a classic of mine :)

The last time an expansion draft occurred was 2004 with the Charlotte Bobcats. That expansion draft, as many of you know, was the one in which the Bobcats took Gerald Wallace from us. Wallace has proceeded to become an All-Star in Charlotte.

In that expansion draft, each NBA team was allowed to "protect" 8 players from being taken. Throw that out the window. I want to see which players you guys think are really valuable for our team going forward.

We need to know who is important to our team, which players form the core that we will build around. Here are the

Rules

1) You can only protect 5 players

2) Take into consideration the contracts of players

Consider the following players the Kings roster that you have to choose from.

T. Evans, B. Udrih, F. Garcia, D. Greene, O. Casspi, C. Landry, J. Thompson, S. Dalembert, D. Cousins, H. Whiteside

Please post your top 5 (Even if has already been posted) and include your reasoning. Why was this player taken over this?

There could be some tough decisions....Omri or Donte, Thompson or Whiteside, Who to pick? It isn't supposed to be easy. It isn't supposed to be a unanimous decision. There should be debates. Get to it.

Use the shield of protection wisely.

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Poll
If you were down to your last spot, Which of the following bigs would you protect?
Jason Thompson
63 votes
Carl Landry
82 votes
Hassan Whiteside
30 votes

175 votes | Poll has closed

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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T. Evans
O. Casspi
C. Landry
Thompson
D. Cousins

Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed

by wallywagon11 on Jul 20, 2010 7:27 PM PDT reply actions  

No love for Donte or Whiteside?

"Morrison beats Casspi 1 on 1". - MarcusC

by Surprise Team on Jul 20, 2010 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

No love?

You made me pick only 5. That’s pretty cut throat. I only have so many roses to hand out to my lovely bachelors.

Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed

by wallywagon11 on Jul 20, 2010 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hehe.

I made you only pick 5. Makes me feel powerful.

For real though, I have the same 5 except Whiteside over Landry. Landry’s contract situation was the deciding factor for me.

"Morrison beats Casspi 1 on 1". - MarcusC

by Surprise Team on Jul 20, 2010 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought that was the reason you had protection.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jul 21, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seconded

For a moment I debated Whiteside over Casspi, but decided no. Whiteside could end up a Wallace, in the sense that we could look back in 5 years and go damn , you kept player A over Whiteside….or he could be out of the league.

There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.

by ElRonToro on Jul 20, 2010 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

same for me

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by want2win on Jul 20, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

great topic

I’m protecting
1. Reke
2. DMC
3. Donte
4. Omri
5. JT
6. Hassan

by TTown Kings on Jul 20, 2010 7:29 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

That is 6. I mistakenly put 6 when I first published this, then corrected my mistake.

You are only allowed 5 players to protect. My bad for the confusion.

"Morrison beats Casspi 1 on 1". - MarcusC

by Surprise Team on Jul 20, 2010 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Isn't the real rule protecting 8?

That’s be comparably easier.

My five:
1. Tyreke
2. Cousins
3. Donte
4. JT
5. Omri

Landry misses the cut because he will be an unrestricted free agent. If he signed an extension, he’d be on the list for sure.

by sdfd on Jul 20, 2010 7:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes the rule is protecting 8. But the point isn't to make it easy.
In that expansion draft, each NBA team was allowed to “protect” 8 players from being taken. Throw that out the window. I want to see which players you guys think are really valuable for our team going forward.

The point is to see which players are valued more.

"Morrison beats Casspi 1 on 1". - MarcusC

by Surprise Team on Jul 20, 2010 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's my 5 too.

"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie

by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 21, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

with you on this one

these are the building blocks and they are all cheap (as of right now). Any expansion team would not pick up Garcia or beno. I think sam is gone next season to free agency and Carl is a nice 6th man, but not a starter on a contender therefore expendible (dont get me wrong he is a nice player just not a great player). Whiteside may have potential, but Greene has a higher ceiling and you cant keep 2 potential guys on a list of only 5 players.

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by morecasspi on Jul 21, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Earth to Mars

Landry is the second best player on the team now. If he’s not a “starter on a contender,” I guess you can scratch the rest of the guys after Tyreke off the list as well.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Jul 25, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

But potential is cooler than reality!

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by pookeyguru on Jul 25, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why just 5? Typically it's always been 7 or 8 players(8 I believe) in past expansions.

Top 5:
Evans, Cousins, Casspi, Greene, Thompson

Next 3:
Landry, Whiteside, Udrih

by Smills9133 on Jul 20, 2010 7:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Hmm....Yes the rule is protecting 8. But the point is to make it tough.
In that expansion draft, each NBA team was allowed to "protect" 8 players from being taken. Throw that out the window. I want to see which players you guys think are really valuable for our team going forward.

The point is to see which players are valued more

"Morrison beats Casspi 1 on 1". - MarcusC

by Surprise Team on Jul 20, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just to clear this up...I KNOW the real rule in expansion drafts is 8.

The point of this FanPost is not exactly to see who you would protect in the event of an expansion draft.

The point is to see, if confronted with a decision of only keeping one of, say Donte and Omri.

If you had to make your decision right now, who would it be and why?

That’s the purpose of this.

"Morrison beats Casspi 1 on 1". - MarcusC

by Surprise Team on Jul 20, 2010 8:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Awesome post, I love crap like this

1.Tyreke (Obviously)
2.Boogie (Gotta go with the “Big Cornerstone”)
3.Omri (Great rookie season. Hugely popular. Legitimate chance to be #3 option on this team.)
4.JT (tough call here. Might have to overpay him in a couple years to keep him, but a good banger and still young at the 4 or 5)
5.Landry (even tougher call. Kings need to compete and Landry helps them do that better than Donte. Also, if I’m keeping Omri, then Donte is expendable…ish)

If we extend it to 8, then Donte, Hassan and (surprise!) Beno are the next 3 to keep. I personally don’t mind Beno’s contract and think he’s a good crafty combo-guard who works well with Reke.
Dalembert would be my next to protect, just because I like his game and think he’ll be a badass trade chip at the deadline.
I really like Francisco, but he’s a big question mark with a big contract right now. Sorry dude.
T’would be really really sad to lose Darnell Jackson at this point… but… I’ll just have to live with placing him 11th.

by Grantnapeareatskittens on Jul 20, 2010 8:06 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

exactly this

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by Viliphied on Jul 22, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

also

the reason I keep Landry is because hopefully we’d be able to ink him to an extension. I think a Boogie/Landry/JT frontcourt is great, and hopefully will be around longer than just this season. Donte and Hassan have big upside, but just aren’t on the same level right now as the other 5.

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by Viliphied on Jul 22, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nobody has put my 5 up, so I'll submit my own choices.

1. Reke
2. DMC
3. Omri
4. Whiteside
5. JT

Dalembert and Landry are expiring contracts, so I had to let them go since they may leave via FA anways. Beno & Cisco are just not good enough for me to protect, especially considering their contracts.

The tough decision for me was Donte vs. Omri, because I wanted to keep Whiteside for the amazing upside, and I wanted to keep JT because I love him as my glue-guy PF/C to play beside or behind either Whiteside or DMC. I chose Omri because he’s more “proven” but more importantly, he’s a financial stud because he always sells tickets and will keep a nation of Kings fans at worst. His trade value to a NJ or NYK could be amazing.

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by Shizzo on Jul 20, 2010 8:07 PM PDT reply actions  

This

is mine too. I think Omri is much more likely to reach his upside as a good starter than Donte is (same upside, I feel).

by DustyG on Jul 22, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

My list

Our core really is 5 + 1:

1. Reke
2. DMC
3. Omri
4. Donte’
5. JT

  1. if six places: Whiteside is just too much of a project to beat out anybody else though him and JT are close… and we probably lose one of those two…

Dalembert and Landry are gone next year. Cisco and Beno are the worse contracts.

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by MustangMBS on Jul 20, 2010 8:13 PM PDT reply actions  

That would be my list too, Mustang

These are the 5 guys that (in order) have the most value in relation to their contracts, in my opinion.

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by section214 on Jul 20, 2010 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

More or less my list as well

1. Reke (ROY)
2. DMC (seriously?)
3. Omri (He’s my guy, I think he becomes a great if not All-Star SF)
4. Donte’ (tough call for me, I have doubts he’s anything but a role player, Upside might have taken this if I hadn’t started worrying about how good his hands are during Summer league)
5. JT (as has been said – hustle and glue guy)

Though I’m torn on the whole Donte’ vs Upside question.

My next two (Suprise you’re a Bitch):

Donte’ (or) Upside
Beno

Cisco (I Loooove you man!) off because of injury/contract concerns
Landry: FA
Dal: FA

Let me repeat, Suprise – you sir are a dickhead.

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by lietothegirls on Jul 21, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Plus, if we are considering contracts...

..I doubt an expansion team would want to pay Beno or Garcia the remainder of their contracts, so the Kings likely don’t need to protect them.

Dalembert’s rebounding and Landry’s performance-to-contract-$$ ratio are too good for an expansion team to pass on, so they will likely go the way of Gerald Wallace.

"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."

by SactoRyan on Jul 21, 2010 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I got

Tyreke Evans
Boogie Cuz
Omri Casspi
Carl Landry
Hassan Whiteside

I think I would have most fun with this team. I could easily have changed Whiteside for Landry or Thompson but I think the team I picked has the most upside and will win the most in a year or two.

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by caseycheesecake on Jul 20, 2010 8:29 PM PDT reply actions  

COULD win the most in a year or two

that depends a lot on how much Upside develops.

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by Viliphied on Jul 22, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

My "Fave Five"

1. Reke – Duh.
2. Boogie – Duh.
3. Omri – Ambition, desire, drive, good shooter, clutch ability, willing defender. Although Donte, according to others, has crazy potential and upside, I’m not comfortable protecting a player just because he could possibly eventually be way better if he worked himself into the ground. I don’t deal in potential, I deal with what’s been shown.
4. JT – Hassan at this point is just too much of a project to me. He blocks shots like a madman, but he hasn’t shown much at all in the other aspects of the game. Blocking isn’t everything. Certainly, Hassan will probably work on that, but right now I think JT would be the most useful. We don’t need Carl quite as much anymore because Boogie is great in the post.
5. Beno – We need a shooting guard who can play well with Reke, and Beno proved last season that he and Reke had great chemistry and could complement each other very well.

by PurpleLoco on Jul 20, 2010 8:35 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Even though Beno complements Reke, we can't forget that he is 28 years old and has an unfavorable contract

For that reason i would put Donte and Hassan over ahead of him

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by AkaP on Jul 20, 2010 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

i don't think

his contract is really unfavorable anymore. I think it’s pretty much in line with his performance

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by Viliphied on Jul 22, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

and it only has 3 years left.

it can be a little ugly but he has played much better so it’s not as terrible as people make it.

by Hilton on Jul 23, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I kept Beno, too

…because it’s going to take us a while to find somebody to fill Beno’s role, even if he doesn’t quite fill it himself.

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by napg on Jul 21, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

My picks

Reke, Cousins, Omri, Whiteside, JT,

If you look at the men at our Forward position is Omri, Greene, Whiteside,Landry and JT
Each have one have their goods and( bads)

Omri: Decent Defender, Decent scorer, young, good rebounder (Needs stamina and training to get better)
Donte: Decent Defender, Decent scorer, fast, young and has lots of room to grow (consistency issues)
Whiteside: Good defender, can be really good at offense, rebound machine, young (Immature?, inexperienced)
Landry: Free agent, great offense, decent defense, (No rebounds, to focused on offense)
JT: Good Defender, Good scorer, Good rebounder, (Foul prone, needs to man up)

Of the 5 I would have to choose
Omri, Whiteside, JT

Omri: I can see grow more in the future as he adjusts more to the league, gets more stamina, and learns more this year..I really see Omri doing well this year with consistent minutes, and working with Garcia more..I would love to see someone like Doug Christie come in and work with Omri, because i think he would learn exceptionally well from someone like Doug.

Whiteside: As far as Hassan goes, this will say it all for me here:

But Whiteside seems to be taking the right steps toward maturing and growing. He spent a week with Hall of Fame center Hakeem Olajuwon, getting tutored on everything from offensive moves, to the intensity needed on a nightly basis to compete at the NBA level. He said he will spend another week with the league’s all-time leading shot-blocker before the summer is over.“When I see a player like him, his reach is his strength,” Olajuwon said in a phone interview from Toronto. “He knows he can put the ball on the floor and shoot. I was more or less thinking about his height advantage, what he can be doing in the post with his jump hook. He should be able to play small forward, power forward or center comfortably. I try not to limit him to a position. He has the skills and the height where he can play three positions as he matures in the league.”

JT: Is more of a complete player then Landry IMO (Can play 4 or 5), better rebounder, less offense then Landry, but is a better defender(Even with the PF’s which he is getting better). Would rather lose Donte at this point. This is also the vet we need (even though he is goofy) that can keep everyone together. I think he is really starting to mature and learn that this team needs a leader on the court and I think he will grow into that role well

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by Widowwolf on Jul 20, 2010 8:43 PM PDT reply actions  

The building blocks:
1. Reke
2. DMC
3. JT
The next players:
4. Landry
5. Omri

by Doors Open on Jul 20, 2010 9:05 PM PDT reply actions  

The Fab Five

Evans
Landry
Thompson
Dalembert
Cousins

They’re the combination of the five best players and some agreeable contract situations. It also makes you pretty strong at three positions, and then you’ve got to address the 2 and 3, which is kind of where we are at anyway.

Naturally the plan would be to resign both Landry and Dalembert.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Jul 20, 2010 9:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Robert Horry trying to mess with the Kings line up?! Anyway...

1. Reke….reason: duh
2. Cousins….reason: duh
3. Whiteside….reason: upside; play 4 and 5; has shown he can add muscle.
4. JT….reason: size, know what you’re getting; maintain solid frontcourt; think he has, or will have, more to offer than Landry down the line.
5. Donte….reason: guarding Kobe, Lebron, Melo, etc….the glue guy for this team; I liked how he looked in VSL more than Omri.

by getPGwithbounce on Jul 20, 2010 10:01 PM PDT reply actions  

remember Ziller's iso post from a couple months ago?

Casspi is one of the better iso defenders in the league.

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by Viliphied on Jul 22, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

my choices

1&2) Reke and DMC, for obvious reasons
3) Landry…because he’s the third best basketball player on our team. Talent trumps all.
4) Omri…has got the fire, work ethic, skills, etc…I think Season 2 will be more like the first half of Season 1 than the second half. A safer pick than Donte, and I don’t think his ceiling is much lower.
5) Donte…because of his potential, defense, ability to guard/play at multiple positions. Still learning, and part of me wants to put JT but I’m not sure that JT will ever be more than a quality role player. I think Donte will have more impact on both ends of the floor.

If I can go to 8, I protect JT, Dalembert, and Whiteside, on the idea that Beno and Garcia are less appealing contracts to be picked up in an expansion draft, and if we lose one or the other, we’ll survive.

by coachtheus on Jul 21, 2010 12:26 AM PDT reply actions  

1. Darnell Jackson
2. Donald Sloan
3. Samuel Dalembert
4. Beno Udrih
5. Slamson

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by Aykis16 on Jul 21, 2010 1:08 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Really?

Katerina from the SK Dance Team didn’t make your cut? And she’s Greek?

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by Surprise Team on Jul 21, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

for me, i like

1) REKE
2) DMC
3) Omri
4) JT
5) Donte

1 and 2 are no questions, imo. Casspi has the drive and will to be something in this league, JT is slowly getting to the stage where he is going to be a double-double machine in a year or two, and Donte just has all of the intagibles we (i, at least) love. propensity to make big plays on D, athletic, strokes the 3, just needs the consistency and i will completely fall in love with him.

by alberto18 on Jul 21, 2010 1:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Tyreke
Cuz
Omri
Donte
Landry

That way I would at least have a starting five!

by Fredman on Jul 21, 2010 2:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Good post. Nice choice of music, even if I am and "old-timer." I'll take Eminem any day.

Tyreke
Cousins
Landry
Donte
Whiteside

This was really hard. I made two last second changes. It would be a lot easier if we could keep eight players, but that was not the point of the exercise.

If there were three more, they would be: Beno, Casspi and Thompson

I was initially torn between keeping Omri or Beno. In the end, I didn’t select either one. Beno played very well last year with Reke, but I know it is possible to get a better PG/SG, in the future. I was a little nervous about picking Omri, finally giving into my nerves and selecting Whiteside over him. I love Whiteside’s blocking ability. He just seems to have a good sense working in the low post. I know I would kick myself if I passed up on him, only to watch him develop into a very skilled big man down the line. I picked Landry over Thompson, because Landry proved himself last season and Thompson is still a question mark to me. I didn’t take any contract issues into consideration, because this exercise is to protect the players who will make the best core to build around. I picked Donte, even though a lot of people didn’t. He is very versatile and I believe will continue to develop as a player. He adds a lot to the team. Dalembert didn’t even figure into the equation. I see him here one season, to be a veteran influence for our young defensive players. Same with Garcia. I like Garcia, but I don’t see him being a part of our core.

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by Slam_Dunk on Jul 21, 2010 8:09 AM PDT reply actions  

reke
dmc
landry
omri
jt

by Madzillagd on Jul 21, 2010 8:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Well heres my 5

Tyreke Evans
DeMarcus Cousins
Omri Casspi
Donte Greene
Beno Udrih

My reasoning behind leaving JT, Landry, and Whiteside out is that an expansion team would only be able to pick one player from my team. Instead of protecting Landry and JT, I would let that expansion team pick one of those 3 big men, and I would keep the other 2.

"Morrison beats Casspi 1 on 1". - MarcusC

by Surprise Team on Jul 21, 2010 10:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Ahhhhhhh

and who of those three would get snatched?

I sense a follow-up.

I’m saying it would be . . . . . . JT,,wait! No! ummmm, Landry.

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Jul 21, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's actually a REALLY good idea...

…unless they pick Landry and want JT to come off the bench.

"Where hope goes to die"

by napg on Jul 21, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haven't read anyone else's comments yet so that my post comes untainted.

Tyreke (obviously)
DMC (obviously)
Donte
Omri
Landry

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by lodisacfan on Jul 21, 2010 11:30 AM PDT reply actions  

There are some difference of opinions in picking JT, Landry, or Whiteside for a last spot.

A poll would be nice here, so I’ll add one.

"Morrison beats Casspi 1 on 1". - MarcusC

by Surprise Team on Jul 21, 2010 11:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Considering that we'd have to play without anmy player I didn't pick, potentially

I’m adding Beno.

My list is

1) Reke
2) Cousins
3) Landy
4) Omri
5) Beno

Mostly because that is who I see myself starting by the end of the year, but also because in today’s market, I think Beno would be tough to fill for his price.

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by SavageBeast on Jul 21, 2010 12:40 PM PDT reply actions  

I like the logic.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Jul 23, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Beno-ROY-OC-JT-Boogie

1. T. Evans – ROY, franchise player, ‘nuff said.
2. D. Cousins – You don’t throw away a #5 pick before his first preseason.
3. O. Casspi – Showed promise as a rookie; his outside shot complements Evans.
4. J. Thompson – Solid contributor and rebounder.
5. B. Udrih – We need a ball-handler, and Udrih redeemed himself last year.

Coincidentally, by saving these 5, we also get a guy at each position.

Who I Didn’t Pick, and Why:

D. Greene – He’s a more athletic, less-skilled Casspi. I’d certainly like to keep him, but having Casspi means that Greene really needs to step up his game to avoid being expendable.

C. Landry – Poor rebounder, and he only has one year left on his contract before he walks if we decide not to over-pay him.

S. Dalembert – His age is a concern. Like Greene, I’d like to keep Sammy D, but his age and lack of offensive game keeps him from being in my top 5.

H. Whiteside – Limited offense and overall rawness make Hassan into a long-term project, and I’m not going to give up our starting PG on a second-round pick (no matter the perceived upside), especially when we have a logjam at said 2nd rounder’s position.

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by napg on Jul 21, 2010 2:11 PM PDT reply actions  

I take JT over Landry, because I think that JT's ceiling is higher

even if he never reaches Carl’s level on the offensive end. JT’s all-around game is still developing, and he doesn’t need to make any kind of unreasonable leaps to end up a very very good player in this league. I think JT has a very good chance of averaging a double-double for most of his career, and those guys are in pretty short supply. Plus he can play two positions. Carl is one of the more skilled players on our team, but I don’t see him growing too much more as a player, and he’ll likely never be able to play very effectively in any other position besides PF. Landry’s skill and BB IQ make him the good player that he is, JT has developing skills and BB IQ to go along with the natural tools that make him an overall more valuable player in my book.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 21, 2010 2:12 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Good points about JT

Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.

by darkadun on Jul 22, 2010 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do you know why this thread isn't getting more rec's?

Because it’s hateful, hateful, painful and cruel - you fargin bastage.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jul 21, 2010 4:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Maybe now we know how hard it is to be a GM.

One day if everything goes according to “The Blueprint” and all of our players develop, we wont be able to satisfy all of them with contracts to their liking. We would have to end up picking only some.

That being said, I’d rather have that problem with everybody developing than not have it.

"Morrison beats Casspi 1 on 1". - MarcusC

by Surprise Team on Jul 21, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Real asshole move, ST. But damnit…

Reke, Cousins, Whiteside, Omri, JT

because… damnit. I don’t know why.

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel

by iashwash on Jul 21, 2010 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Morrison beats Casspi 1 on 1". - MarcusC

by Surprise Team on Jul 21, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Tyreke
Omri
Landry
Thompson
Cousins

The strength of our team going forward is all about toughness and our frontline. I know Landry is going to be a FA, but I see him as being a big part of our team. At some point Landry may become expendable, depending on the growth of DMC and JT, but right now he is a established very good player. I honestly see him as our 2nd best player. Going into every game, you know Reke will give us 20/5 and Landry will give us 18/8. We keep players like that IMO.

Now, we are missing a SG in my lineup, but aren’t we searching for a future SG right now anyways? So I’d rather keep our 3 frontline players. And Whiteside would be tough to let go, but we don’t know if he will become a good player or become the Camby-esqe guy we’d like to see. I love Donte, but the same reasoning with him.

Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.

by darkadun on Jul 22, 2010 8:29 AM PDT reply actions  

Landry an 18-8 guy?

We’ve seen the 18, but Landry has never, ever put up the 8. Last year while on the Kings, he averaged a career-best 6.5 rebounds per game (6.2 per 36 min) – which also happened to continue a career-long trend of Landry becoming less and less productive on the boards. For comparison, Peja Stojakovic has had at least 3 seasons in which he was within 0.5 rebounds/36 of Landry’s production with us.

This has been a major knock on Landry, IMO. We’ve been burned on the boards time and again for so many years, and I don’t like the idea of depending on a PF whose rebounding percentage was in the same ball park (at best) as Mike Miller, James Posey, Michael Beasley, Spencer Hawes, and Carlos Delfino. That’s not just a shortcoming – for a guy who’s 6’9" and as strong in the post as Landry is, that’s downright pathetic.

"Where hope goes to die"

by napg on Jul 22, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

"a career-long trend of...becoming less productive on the boards..."

To be specific, I mean that Landry’s per36 production on the boards has gone down sharply every year.

"Where hope goes to die"

by napg on Jul 22, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

My guess is Landry does better on the boards

with Dal and DMC taking the attention of the opponent’s best rebounder, we’ll see.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jul 23, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting post

1. Evans
2. Cousins
3. Casspi
4. Thompson
5. Greene

Evans, Cousins, and Casspi were all locks for me. Evans and Casspi have shown they can ball consistently (when not gassed out in the case of Casspi) and I think they have long-term NBA-starter potential.

Cousins is the beast from the east, and he has a lot of potential to be a great player. I chose Thompson because we know what we’re getting out of him, he’s young, and he’s got a clear passion for the game.

Fifth place was a toss-up between Greene and Landry. I chose Greene because he’s more versatile, although also more unskilled, when compared to Landry. Greene is also relatively cheap and the fact that Landry is a UFA also prevented me from protecting him.

Udrih, Garcia, Dalembert, and (regrettably) Whiteside aren’t that important to me in terms of having a core of building blocks for the team. Udrih can be replaced in one form or another via free agency. Garcia is like a shorter, more consistent Donte. Although we know what to expect from Dalembert, he is aging, plus his contract is up next year anyway. It was hard to NOT protect Whiteside because of his shot blocking skill…but he’s probably about 3000 or so NBA minutes* away from being a decent reserve/borderline starter (assuming he improves his game).

*3000 minutes is about equal to a good starters’ minutes in one season. Tyreke played 2677 minute last year for us, averaging 37.2 minutes per game for 72 games (basketball-reference.com). LeBron, Kobe, Jordan, and other stars in their prime get close to 3000 minutes of play in a season. Even if an expansion team were to pick Whiteside, I don’t think he’d get more than 15 minutes a game, barring injury, so it may take him some time to develop.

by clicc916 on Jul 22, 2010 9:49 AM PDT reply actions  

I am so grateful the real rules require protecting 8 players because this way tough

Evans – Obviously
Cousins – ditto
Omri – Too much potential and appeal. He’d be pretty likely to be taken in an expansion draft
Whiteside – The thought of him living up to his potential on another team like Crash did scares me

Missing the cut:
Donte – I love the guy and his potential. I’d be devastated if he was picked. But, I don’t see that happening. He’s still fairly unknown and I could see an expansion team’s GM passing on him pretty easily
JT – He’s a solid roleplaying big that we need to keep around
Landry – I’m not sure he’s part of the future here anyway. I expect him to be trade bait at the next deadline anyway because of his productivity and how cheap he is. I do worry that this means we would have traded Kevin Martin for almost nothing.

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Jul 23, 2010 11:40 AM PDT reply actions  

That’s

Founder of team Omté Caspeen

by Widowwolf on Jul 23, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Weird

JT should have been in the top 5

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Jul 23, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I swap Landry for Whiteside, actually

I think Landry’s too good to leave unprotected. Even though he may not be part of the future he could still net us some nice pieces.

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Jul 26, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thats 4 doh!

Founder of team Omté Caspeen

by Widowwolf on Jul 23, 2010 11:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Evans
DMC
Omri
Landry
Donte

6th man award goes to Eugen the Pooh Jeter:)

by Toyvo on Jul 23, 2010 6:05 PM PDT reply actions  

1.) Evans – He’s our most valuable player and if he wasn’t protected he would most certainly be selected by an expansion team.
2.) Landry – He’s a great player that many teams would love to have. I think an expansion team would be very interested in a player like Landry.
3.) Casspi – He is a great player who comes with a large fan base. I think Omri’s Jewish fan base would be appealing to a new franchise.
4.) Cousins – He still has a lot to prove, but I think Cousins is going to be our best big man and I would think he would be appealing to an upstart team.
5.) Thompson – I wouldn’t be terribly upset if we lost JT, but I do think he is a good player and one that an expansion team would consider picking up.

Notables I wouldn’t protect:

Garcia – I think his contract is protection enough, if an expansion team wanted to take Garcia and his contract, i wouldn’t try to stop them. Furthermore, I think Garcia’s age prevents him from being a part of our long term plan, so losing him really isn’t losing much. I wouldn’t protect Beno or Dalembert for the same reason.

Whiteside – 29 other teams passed on Whiteside in the draft and I am pretty sure an expansion team would pass on him as well. If I could only protect 5 players, I wouldn’t waste one of those spots on a guy who probably doesn’t need it.

Greene – I love Donte, but he just didn’t make the cut. I think Omri is more likely to be selected by an expansion team, so Donte just has to cross his fingers and hope he remains a King.

by MDRennie on Jul 23, 2010 8:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Evans – MVP
Cousins -Big upside
Thompson – Versatile
Beno – Demonstrated value

Tie
Casspi – Needs to show consistency
Greene- Improved last season

by kman949 on Jul 24, 2010 5:03 PM PDT reply actions  

The Kings have five players, and only five players, who would be worth protecting

 in an expansion draft that allowed each NBA team to protect five players:

1. Evans
2. Cousins
3. Landry
4. Dalembert
5. Casspi

None of the other Kings players would likely be picked in the draft, if there were just one expansion team and it drafted 15 players. Thompson might get looked at, but there are a lot of young bigs out there—Brandon Bass and Marcin Gortat would prob be available in this hypothetical draft, with Glen Davis, possibly Bynum, et al. Thompson definitely rates with this group, but he wouldn’t be a lock to get picked.

Two expansion teams would take 30 players, and that might get us closer to losing Thompson, but barring some sort of unpredicted draft strategy (KAAAHN!), none of the remaining Kings are good enough to be picked.

Look at who the Lakers leave unprotected (Bynum/Odom, Blake, Barnes, Shannon Brown, the rookies). Look at the Orlando roster (Carter/Reddick, Bass, Gortat, Pietrus available). Portland is gunna lose guys, too. Those three teams would probably lose three guys each or more.

by basketball galactica on Jul 26, 2010 1:15 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't think expansion teams have gotten 15 picks each

8 or 10 or something, the rest they fill in with draft picks and FAs.

Ooops, just looked it up, 14 was the number in 2004. Man, they didn’t get much did they?

HERE

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jul 26, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Expansion teams can only take 1 player from each team.

Donte or Thompson would be snatched from our team immediately. Expansion teams love skilled young players.

"Morrison beats Casspi 1 on 1". - MarcusC

by Surprise Team on Jul 26, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hence why i would protect Thompson..Hes got a lot of skills for only being 2 years in the league..Donte flashes potential, but only part of the time

Founder of team Omté Caspeen

by Widowwolf on Jul 26, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, you're right Surprise Team, I stand corrected. Each team can only lose one player in the current format.

Meaning our best unprotected player would prob get taken, especially in a two team expansion draft.

Losing Thompson to hypothetical expansion, then losing Landry and Dalembert to free agency after the season would leave us with zero frontcourt depth, a disastrous outcome that should be avoided. I’m not sure the Kings will be able to re-sign Landry, so I guess i would protect JT’s three-year contract over Carl’s one-year, even though I think Landry will contribute more in the upcoming season.

(Dalembert is the only Kings player who does what he does, so I’d elect to keep him despite his one-year contract. Additionally, I think there’s a slightly better chance of re-signing him than Landry.)

So, unless we get an extension on Landry before the hypothetical expansion draft, I’m replacing him with Thompson in my five. The new protected list:

1. Evans
2. Cousins
3. Casspi
4. Dalembert
5. Thompson

by basketball galactica on Jul 26, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I honestly think that Dalembert will resign with us for some long term stability. I think he actually wants to be here

Founder of team Omté Caspeen

by Widowwolf on Jul 26, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really like Dalembert, and in his interviews he really seemed excited and grateful that the Kings wanted him so badly.

I hope we keep him at least for a season or two, and that he gets some sort of stable playing time until he’s no longer useful or doesn’t fit into the game plan. I think it would be a waste if we didn’t use a guy who wants to be here and wants to play.

by PurpleLoco on Jul 26, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I really like him, too. And like many fans, I have been anxiously waiting for this Slam-D acquisition for as long as its been rumored (years?).

I smiled for a week straight when we traded Hawes for him, and I predict he will perform well for the Kings this season. But the draft really changed things. The Kings are now most interested in the future of DeMarcus Cousins starring at center, and that complicates the future of Dalembert in Sac.

Will Sam be happy getting his minutes and starts yanked around while Cousins develops? Nobody knows what the Kings’ rotations are going to look like — recent Westphalian history suggests something along the lines of: “wildly unpredictable” — and the eventual goal is absolutely Cousins as the full-time starter. Is that a plan that entices Sammy to stay?

I’d assume Sam will get a few offers in the $10 million/year range next summer, and I don’t think the Kings will pay that much to keep him, unless it’s a very short contract. He could play in Sacramento for less because he likes it here, but he also could play elsewhere for less because he likes it there, too (say, to chase a ring).

If he wants to stay in Sac for peanuts to back-up Cousins, no arguments here. But unlike LeBron and Kobe, most players only have the chance at making big money while they are in their playing years, so I don’t begrudge them for making all the dough they can while they’re in the league. This is potentially Sammy’s last big payday, so if he’s offered a Brendan Haywood-type deal ($55 million/6 years), I’d expect him to take it.

by basketball galactica on Jul 26, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

if we are looking to be NBA champs someday

1. Reke
2. Cuz
3. Donte-He might have the most potential on the team (cue accusations of blasphemy)
4. JT
5. Hassan

I chose JT and Hassan over Omri because i believe in order to win a championship you need a solid three big man rotation (bynum-gasol-odom, Perkins-Garnett-Davis-sheed, Ben Wallace-McDyess-Sheed, Duncan-oberto-horry, Shaq-Haslem-Zo, etc.) Omri is a great role player, but we can pick up guys like him for the MLE or late in the draft more often than a hassan will fall to us. Looking to be champions, this is my five. Looking to make the playoffs i’d maybe sub landry and Omri for donte and hassan, but i think that would be conceding a shot at the NBA title for the next ten years.

by smiliege on Jul 30, 2010 7:44 PM PDT reply actions  

1. Reke
2. Cuz
3. Donte-He might have the most potential on the team (cue accusations of blasphemy)
4. JT
5. Hassan

I chose JT and Hassan over Omri because i believe in order to win a championship you need a solid three big man rotation (bynum-gasol-odom, Perkins-Garnett-Davis-sheed, Ben Wallace-Okur-Sheed, Duncan-oberto/mohammed-horry, Shaq-Haslem-Zo, etc.) Omri is a great role player, but we can pick up guys like him for the MLE or late in the draft more often than a hassan will fall to us. Looking to be champions, this is my five. Looking to make the playoffs i’d maybe sub landry and Omri for donte and hassan, but i think that would be conceding a shot at the NBA title for the next ten years.

by smiliege on Jul 30, 2010 7:48 PM PDT reply actions  

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