Rookie Scale, How I Love Thee
by Tom Ziller on Jul 4, 2010 2:08 PM PDT
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PrintTyreke Evans in 2009-10: 20.1 points, 5.8 assists, 5.3 rebounds.
Joe Johnson in 2009-10: 21.3 points, 4.9 assists, 4.6 rebounds.
Tyreke Evans' salary from 2010-11 through 2012-13: $13.2 million.
Joe Johson's salary from 2010-11 through 2012-13: $51.7 million.
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I love the NBA Rookie scale
Too bad the NFL doesn’t have the same scale.
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Actually i think it will be coming up in the new contract. The only thing you really have to look at is the fact that you are far more likely to have a career ending injury in the NFL then you are in the NBA..That’s what will be the sticking point for it. I do like the idea of having a NFL rookie schedule where it max’s out the money at which draftee’s can be signed at. I also think MLB needs a cutoff point as well. Giving a guy 13 million just for the right just to negotiate with him for a contract is absolutely asinine
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In 2000, Ichiro was still a year away from being eligible for free agency, but the Blue Wave were no longer among Japan’s best teams. Because they would probably not be able to afford to keep him, and would lose him without compensation in another year, Orix allowed him to negotiate with Major League clubs. Ichiro used the posting system, and the Seattle Mariners won the right to negotiate with him with a bid of approximately $13 million.6 In November, Ichiro signed a three-year, $14 million contract with the Seattle Mariners
Judgment day is coming!
That's not even the best example
The Red Sox paid $50 million for the right to negotiate with Daisuke Matsuzaka.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jul 4, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
just like in world football/soccer?
You have to pay theclub a release fee for the player?
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by 'tough as nails' spence on Jul 4, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
i actually really hate
how much salary has come into the day to day thinking about the NBA. “this player’s great, but he’s totally overpaid” is a way-too common sentiment. and “salary dump” is another part of the language. it would be nice if it was just about talent, or committing to a player the max didn’t mean risking your franchise’s future for 5 years on a blown out knee.
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Jul 4, 2010 2:48 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Not so fast there Ziller,
if Tyreke has two more seasons like the last one, he could be signed to an extention and a big raise before the start of the 2012/2013 season.
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I don't think that is right
I think that his contract amount is locked for the next three years. They can extend him, but that won’t change the next three years.
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Yeah I think you are right
I remember we signed Kevin Martin before his contract was actually up and his extension didn’t kick in right away.
214 has it
First-round players are locked in at a set salary for four years, assuming the team picks up all the options.
I read it a little different,
Coons says this about Rookie scale extentions:
Rookie scale contracts may be extended for up to five seasons beyond the player’s last option season, bringing the total contract length to six seasons. All other extensions are limited to five seasons, including the seasons remaining on the current contract. For example, a contract with two seasons remaining may be extended for up to three additional seasons.
So, if a six year extention includes the last option year of his rookie contract. Then the last option year of the rookie scale contract isn’t picked up. Instead it becomes part of the extention and the salary is governed by the rules relating to extentions.
The salary in the first year of an extension to a rookie scale contract may be any amount up to the player’s maximum.
I don’t know the history of the league as well as some others, so maybe someone else remembers something like this happening before, or maybe it never has.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Reading a little further down I see someone brought up Rondo
He signed a rookie scale contract in 2006, and signed an extention in Oct of 2009 which was the begining of the 4th year of his rookie contract. But, ShamSports has his 2009 salary as $9M which certainly isn’t scale for the 21st pick in the 2006 draft.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
No, that’s his 2010/11 salary. I.E. the first year of the extension.
by Sham-onnnnnnnnnnna on Jul 4, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
And when Sham argues with you it's over HT.
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Yup HT
You’re wrong on this one buddy.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Slaps forehead until unconsciousness is achieved.
I know that I shouldn’t argue with you guys. But, I’ve been looking at ShamSports all year and the first column was alway 2009/2010. I guess I should have recheck the column header before I put both feet into it.
Tom, I pale in your shadow as usual.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
I might be alone
But the way the NBA salary scale for rookies is now, it’s working as well as it can. I personally think the salary structure is fine in the NBA. It’s just people are jealous about the salaries these people are getting. Yet, nobody complains about how much Britney Spears makes and that’s amazingly obscene you can even attach wealth next to someone like Ms. Spears.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Less about how much these players are making
More about if their guaranteed contracts will handicap their team a few years down the road.
by CloudyEyes on Jul 4, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Guaranteed contracts don't handicap teams unless you let them.
Bottom line.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And you are right
The Rookie scale works very well, I think. It definitely is a boon to those teams like the Kings, who rely on that value of production and cap space to rebuild. Unlike baseball, who has to determine who to pick in the first round of their draft depending on the size of bonus they are willing to pay them.
It's a boon to every team Mike.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
The way I look at it
Paying guaranteed contracts is like buying a used car, as is, without insurance. It might be a sports car one day, then the next thing you know, it breaks down right after you buy it.
Well there's more than one way to look at it.
You haven’t considered the flipside to non guaranteed contracts.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I actually do have an issue for how much these actors make and have voiced so on other occasions off STR. I also have an issue with Production companies telling an actor he will get % of profit, then under reporting how much profit they actually made
Thing is singers make their real money off of concerts, and merch sales. They don’t do concerts and they don’t make profits. I don’t necessarily have an issue with NBA salaries as much as MLB and NFL. But i think teams guarantee players too much in contracts and would like to see more incentive based monies instead of guarantees.
Judgment day is coming!
Then you should pay more attention to NCAA Division II basketball
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
and when you take into account that johnson might start declining while tyreke is going to continue to improve..
yikes. makes the disparity between the two contracts even bigger, imo.
exactly
Tyreke is 20. Joe Johnson is 57.
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
wow
had no idea he is as old as he is…your comment made me want to look…and that is a grown ass man..not in the good Tyreke Evans way.
Rookie Scale how I hate thee
In 2014 when Sacramento is feeling Cleveland’s pain trying to sign Tyreke to a Max Contract. And maybe the year after that having to go through it all over again for Cuz.
After that, imagine they still gotta sign 10 other players with probably only 20-25 mil to do it with.
This is a ridiculous worry right now
by Tom Ziller on Jul 4, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Not just for the most obvious reason (hello, it's 2010!)
But who knows what rules the new CBA’s going to have?
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
To many things can happen...
You can’t worry about that stuff. You just have to trust that the next 4 years will be successful. I know Reke said he was happy to get DMC and it seems like he really likes the other key guys, like Landry, JT, Donte, Omri and even Beno.
This is all key. Look at OKC with Durant. If they had drafted poorly and were not winning games, he wouldn’t be so anxious to get an extension done.
by IDunkedOnceInHS on Jul 5, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
its called an extension
the best way to avoid free agency. I mean, look how that worked out with Rondo
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
There is a difference though
When Tyreke’s rookie deal is up he will be a restricted free agent, unlike Lebron.
Only for 1 year unless he signs an extention.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Chances are good he does though
If the Kings want to give him a max extension (they will), then we should be able to strike a deal to extend him. The Blazers did it with Roy, the Hornets with Paul, the Jazz with Deron, etc. Usually players sign that one year qualifying offer when the team isn’t sure if they want to pay them or not (see: Raymond Felton). I don’t see that being the case with Tyreke.
Haven't you heard?
The world is supposed to end on Dec 21st 2012. John Cusack is our only hope because he can drive a limo real fast.
I think the more pressing need by 2014 is who Petrie’s replacement will be. GP might be a draft god, but he ain’t immortal.
This.
by elfboy_ on Jul 4, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
And right now Elfboy it's looking like Mike Petrie.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Actually
Signing Evans to a max contract, up to 6 years into his career, is less than signing a max contract for a player up to 9 years, or 10+ years into their career. Confused? Max contracts are based on how long a player has been in the league.
0 to 6 seasons: 105% of previous contract or 25% of the total salary cap…whatever’s greater (09-10: $14,472,500)
7 to 9 seasons: 105% of previous contract or 30% of the total salary cap (09-10: $17,310,000)
10+ seasons: 105% of previous contract or 35% of the total salary cap (09-10: $20,195,000)
Also, there’d be a new CBA. There’s a possibility that the max contracts for players, under this new agreement, would be much more restricted.
Ain't gonna matter when Tyreke signs a new contract Cloudy
He’s better off signing a new extension in 2012 and then becoming an Unrestricted FA in 2016. That’s the worst case scenario.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
when you compare
Tyreke’s ROOKIE numbers up against players like Joe Johnson and Brandon Roy’s best seasons it is even more amazing. Reke honestly has the ability to be a top 10 or better player in this league and soon. If DMC can be a 20-10 player I just can’t wait to be back on top
LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.
by KingsFanInPortland on Jul 4, 2010 5:00 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
when you compare
Tyreke’s ROOKIE numbers up against players like Joe Johnson and Brandon Roy’s best seasons it is even more amazing. Reke honestly has the ability to be a top 10 or better player in this league and soon. If DMC can be a 20-10 player I just can’t wait to be back on top
LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.
by KingsFanInPortland on Jul 4, 2010 5:00 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
when you compare
Tyreke’s ROOKIE numbers up against players like Joe Johnson and Brandon Roy’s best seasons it is even more amazing. Reke honestly has the ability to be a top 10 or better player in this league and soon. If DMC can be a 20-10 player I just can’t wait to be back on top
LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.
by KingsFanInPortland on Jul 4, 2010 5:00 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
How is it when you compare
Tyreke’s ROOKIE numbers against say . .players like Joe Johnson and Brandon Roy’s best seasons?
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
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by SavageBeast on Jul 5, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
sorry bout the double post
Was takin Max thru tunnel.
LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.
by KingsFanInPortland on Jul 4, 2010 5:01 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
lol
My bad
LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.
by KingsFanInPortland on Jul 4, 2010 6:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Takin the Max thru the tunnel?
You live out towards Hillsboro?
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
or, to put it another way,
would you rather pay Drew Gooden and Amir Johnson for a year, or Tyreke Evans for three?
All of this talk about salary commitments in the summer of 2012 had me thinking
Do you think a 5 dollar foot long will still be $5?
by betweentheeyes on Jul 4, 2010 9:09 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yes, it will still cost $5, but it will actually only be 10.3 inches long
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
by HighTops on Jul 5, 2010 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
TWHS
Long, cylindricall and about two inches shorter than reported
by betweentheeyes on Jul 5, 2010 3:26 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Not for me
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I hope so
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