Miami Thrice: LeBron, Wade, Bosh All Join Miami. Should Kings Fans Care?
by Aykis16 on Jul 8, 2010 7:16 PM PDT
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As you no doubt know by now, LeBron James has decided to leave the Cleveland Cavaliers organization and join Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh in Miami to play for the Heat. But should we as Kings Fans care? The short answer is not really. The long answer is a little bit more complicated. Find out why after the jump.
The first thing you have to realize is that the Kings will only have to play the Heat twice a year. So the only time we'd ever have to play them in the playoffs would be in the NBA Finals, something that is probably a ways away.
LeBron has mentioned that he's signed a 5 year contract. That's likely to be the same for Chris Bosh, while Dwyane Wade was offered the full 6 years with Miami's Bird Rights. Wade is the oldest, as he will be 29 next year. Bosh and LeBron will both be 26. The Kings have one of the youngest teams in the NBA, and last year having the team with the least experience in the NBA (that is likely still the case as we've gotten rid of Andres Nocioni and Spencer Hawes while adding two rookies). We're likely two years away from the playoffs, nonetheless even thinking about the NBA title.
The Glory Day Kings were first really built in the 1998-99 season with the acquisitions of Vlade Divac, Chris Webber and Jason Williams. In that lockout shortened season they grabbed the 8th spot, but failed to advance, even though they took the Jazz to the brink. It took another two years for the Kings to even get to the 2nd round, where they were swept by the Lakers. Finally they were ready for a Championship run in 2002 (4 years after they first got into the playoffs), and even though they lost in 7 in the Western Conference Finals, they came back arguably even stronger in 2003, and only faltered because of Webber's devastating knee injury in the 2nd round. That team was much more experienced than the current group, and it still took them 4-5 years to actually become contenders. To me, that's the best case scenario for the Kings. It's unlikely we'll run into Team USA South Beach edition during the life of their contracts. If we do, that'd still be remarkable. It'd mean that DeMarcus Cousins and Tyreke Evans have likely become world class players, and the rest of the team has become solid as well.
But for now we can't worry about Miami. We have to worry about other up and coming teams in the West, like the now mighty Thunder, the ever solid Lakers and Mavericks, the young but talented Grizzlies, Clippers, and Warriors. These are the teams that will likely become our rivals over the next few years as we rebuild ourselves back to relevancy, not Miami. So even if Miami manages to pull off a few titles in the next few years, I don't think it will be at the expense of the Kings. And if it is? Well that means we got a lot better than I thought we'd be, a lot quicker than I thought it would happen. And that's still a good thing. Because our team will likely still be relatively young.
Our future is bright. Let Miami dominate for the next 4 or 5 years before the Big 3 break up once more. We can wait.
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Read my mind.
I instantly wondered why I should care when LeBron chose Miami. We’re not going to be in the finals until most of our players reach their primes and Tyreke won’t do so for more than five years, in fact he probably won’t until the trio breaks up and becomes a mere memory. My biggest worry is the Thunder with Sam Presti making some awesome moves during the draft.
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
Terrible
attitude my man ! trio a mere memory ? wow
anthony carter looks like he could be a great F.A. pick-up for the kings this year.
I think that
Miami’s trio of LBJ, Wade, and Bosh will be broken up by the time Tyreke is around 28-30. How is that so bad?
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
I dont think
Its going to take that long at all. Miami signed them to 5 and 6 year(wade) deals. we should be in it by then .
anthony carter looks like he could be a great F.A. pick-up for the kings this year.
This is true.
But I don’t think that all three of them will be as good as they are now due to injuries. They’ll have to play 45 minutes a night just to pick up the slack of the rest of the minimum salary players they’re getting!
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
Totally agree. Wades already 29
anthony carter looks like he could be a great F.A. pick-up for the kings this year.
really?
I swore he would be 28 at the beginning of next season.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Nope
LeBron is 25, Bosh is 26, and Wade is almost 29.
This is not going to be the decade long dynasty people are making it out to be, by any means.
And by people I mean everyone over at the Heat blog.
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
Wade doesn't turn 29 until mid January
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Lebron is closer to 26 than Wade is to 29
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
All right.
At the end of his deal he’ll be 33. 34 right around the time the season really ‘heats’ up. I just don’t see this working out as well as people think.
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
I think the obvious answer is that anyone would have.
I just don’t think it will pan out as well. People are talking like the next 5-6 championships are locked to Miami. I think they win maybe 2-3 together.
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
I think if they win 1 immediately, they won't stop winning rings if the big 3 remain practically healthy
They’ll have the MLE to use every season to keep signing supporting players and adding depth, covering holes. Riley is damn good at doing that — finding the right supporting players to squeeze tons of value out of. And that’ll be their greatest challenge. So, if they win it next year, they should continue winning the next 3 or 4 because the team will significantly improve every offseason via MLE.
Let us usher in the era of Reke DMC!
by Shizzo on Jul 8, 2010 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I second
As long as Miami’s owners are willing to spend the cash they will have $5 million or more each year to drop on anyone who wants to win. Wasn’t Artest signed to the MLE? I could be wrong, just a guess as the {Redacted} had to be over the cap.
Yes Artest signed the MLE.
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This Cleveland organization really F'd up a good thing.
Really, that’s the way I look at it.
They should have done better coaching-wise and talent-wise.
I feel for the city.
Poor bastards.
Yep. Bron gave them every chance, including resigning with them once already.
Look at their roster. How could he not leave.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 8, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The funny thing is
I think they listened to him every step of the way, and look where it got them
by markdog333 on Jul 8, 2010 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
No one claims LeBron is classy.
This “My team” stuff he was spewing made me worry about Tyreke a little bit though… With this trio in Miami, Tyreke’s “team” will be hard at work to help him get to a team that will contend with them as soon as possible instead of waiting like the Kings should be doing.
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
I will worry about Tyreke in a few years
Even then, he has more talent on the Kings than Lebron started with. Petrie is smart and will not sign a free agent but sign one, a-la Webber. At some point the Kings will have another 3 or 4 year window to win it all.
If Boogie pans-out, then we'll be well on our way to having the talent to keeping 'Reke here
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by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 8, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Looks like jj jumped the gun.
Does this mean brons not a coward? Cause him staying in cleveland seems like it would feel better. Or anywhere other than miami. Oh well ,at least thats over!!!
anthony carter looks like he could be a great F.A. pick-up for the kings this year.
I'm now
a miami heat fan! since 199-something! Back from zo and tim’s glory days! yeah!!!
"And Solskjaer has won it!"
by 'tough as nails' spence on Jul 8, 2010 7:28 PM PDT reply actions
hey hey
at least i’m a “true/genuine” Heat fan. I’m not gloryhunting and bandwagoning swear!
"And Solskjaer has won it!"
by 'tough as nails' spence on Jul 8, 2010 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I was a Heat fan
back in the Glen Rice days. Those were the days. But then he left and I didn’t pay attention. Now I love the Kings!
Go heat!
No bandwagons!
"And Solskjaer has won it!"
by 'tough as nails' spence on Jul 9, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Could care less...
What happens if one of them gets Webber’d and has a career changing injury. One could only hope. It is important for all teams in the league that this fails miserably. You can’t let inmates run the asylum.
Totally disagree with this comment.
How dare free agents who are friends want to play together!
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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My point, why have a draft then. Do you think 3 friends will ever team up to play in Sac. Not likely. If this works out, Orlando and Miami will always have good teams because no state taxes. Teams that have to build from ground up, a la Kings, will just end up losing them after X number of years. I mean, who gives up 30 million dollars? Really? No really?
Why have a draft? WTF?
Lebron played 7 years in Cleveland but apparantly that never happened. Did he owe it to them to stay because he’s really really good? So what, a player can be a free agent but only if his team he previously played for really doesn’t want him? You think he really owed it to the Cavs like somehow he would be a dog shit player if it wasn’t for them?
This is ridiculous. If, heaven forbid, Tyreke left Sacramento after 7 years I would be pissed but I don’t give two shits about the Clevand fanbase losing their best player or heck any other fanbase losing their best player. In the end, we are rooting for laundry. If the Cleveland organiation left Cleveland like the Sonics did in Seattle then I would feel bad for them but I could care less about their “franchise guy” leaving.
If Tyreke wants to leave and does so, I would say screw him and move on. Lebron leaving the Cavs is not my problem. I don’t think free agency is something we need to get rid of just because a player might think he has a better situation in another town. Heaven forbid players have some actual power in regards to what type of situation they are in.
And the Heat were playing by the same rules as everyone else. You mention the tax advantage in Florida. I say screw the tax advantage: The Cavs by far were able to offer way more money than those tax advantages would bring Lebron. Their tax advantage is minimal. Does it factor in if Lebron is deciding between Miami, Chicago, and New Jersey? Possibly. Cleveland? Don’t kid yourself.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 9, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
And were still not going to win it : )
anthony carter looks like he could be a great F.A. pick-up for the kings this year.
Looks like my Internet did something weird and it double posted
Sorry guys. Deleted the one that wasn’t finished.
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by 49er16 on Jul 8, 2010 7:32 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Seeing jim gray
really made me miss kayte.
anthony carter looks like he could be a great F.A. pick-up for the kings this year.
by 9K1NGS on Jul 8, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Dear Erik Spoelstra,
Please be advised that your service will not be needed shortly after the new year. Pat Riley is circling the arena in Miami, and the greasy vulture should come in for a landing by February.
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by section214 on Jul 8, 2010 7:33 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Watch him fax his notice
Once Dwyane Wade gets injured again…
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
Yeah the one thing this Heat team will really have to worry about is injury
At least this year, they’re only going to have those 2nd rounders and minimum contract guys. That means LeBron, Wade, and Bosh are going to have to log some serious minutes, meaning more chance for injuries. Wade already has a bit of an injury history.
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Bosh has iffy knees I think.
LeBron can’t stay entirely healthy if they’re going to be playing like I think they will. Especially if they intend on playing til June.
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
I think they get to play less minutes, because they can always have one superstar on the floor.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 8, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
One superstar and 4 D-leaguers.
Guess where the ball’s going?
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
And that's different from how each of them has played in the past, how?
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 8, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice list. Not quite on the same level as Bron, Bosh or Wade though are they?
My point stands.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 8, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
they're viable options though
Imagine a team of
Sean Singletery
Dionte Christmas
LeBron James
Jon Brockman
Sean May
You really think that’s comparable with having Shaq, Williams, etc on the floor?
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You're talking about 3-4 minutes a half
where you won’t have at least 2 of the 3 on the floor.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 9, 2010 6:20 AM PDT up reply actions
"Nice List"...
And Kfan didn’t metnion that Miami is going to lose a bunch of those guys when Bosh decides NOT to burn Toronto and do a sign and trade (cuz Bosh isn’t a dick, Lebron….) Say goodbye to Beasley and Haslem. The heat might as well play 3 on 5 at that point (OK, Chalmers isn’t completely horrible, but who else will they have?)
In other news, my sympathy goes out to Antawn Jamison and Erik Spoelstra. Antawn thought he was pairing with LBJ for multiple title runs…talk about a backfire….Spoesltra – he’ll be lucky to be running to the doughnut shop for Riles (how else does he keep that coif sheened up….?)
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Haslem is a free agent.
and they already traded Beasley to the TWolves.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 9, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Huh?
And Kfan didn’t metnion that Miami is going to lose a bunch of those guys…
I’m pretty sure Miami is not going to send LeBron or Wade to Toronto in a sign and trade. Really have no idea what the hell you’re talking about.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 9, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
He meant that
if Bosh does a S&T to get more money, Toronto would need to get some of the Heat’s precious few role players like Haslem.
by caseycheesecake on Jul 9, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
That has nothing to do with the list I posted or the list I was replying to.
So if you’re right, I still don’t get what Sacto_J was talking about.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 9, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Correct me if I'm wrong
But Cleveland already said they wouldn’t do a sign and trade with LeBron before he announced?
Please, for the love of god - someone take the gas can out of Dan Gilbert's hand!
they both did sign and trades
for draft picks only though. the value to the heat was that now bosh and LeBron get the 10.5% raise every season, cause technically they signed with their home teams, so they can convince em more easily to take less this year.
Let us usher in the era of Reke DMC!
Your right
They did say theres no way in hell they would do a SnT. But they did. lol
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Agree
Riley won’t coach this year, and when they don’t he’ll step in to coach the following year.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
If Erik Spoelstra isn't gone
The Season Tickets will be.
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Yeah...
Because the draw of having 3 AWESOME DUDES on your team, 2 of which are the BEST PLAYERS in the league won’t sell season tickets.
"We're trapped inside the matrix, forced to play our hand. We're filled with so much hatred, the kids don't stand a chance." -- B.o.B. (aka Bobby Ray).
Have you seen sports in Florida?
It would not surprise me to have the arena still fairly vacant even with the circumstances
Maybe "Jason Evans" is just Tyreke in disguise
He really wants to play, but the team doesn’t want to risk injury because there’s not much to gain.
Tyreke: Jason Evans reporting for duty, coach.
Westphal: Uh, I know it’s you, Tyreke.
Tyreke: Wha? Does Tyreke Evans have a long white beard? Gimme the ball.
Courtesy AnotherStupidSN
by prowseinthehouse on Jul 8, 2010 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Laughed out loud ,couldnt have said it better
anthony carter looks like he could be a great F.A. pick-up for the kings this year.
I am very happy LeBron chose Miami
I may have lost my Cleveland bet, but I’m cool with it. I think it’s great to see 3 stars join forces together.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
This is how I feel as well.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 8, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
"How long do you think President Obama would last in a game of H.O.R.S.E. against you?"
Biggest piece of BS puffery I’ve ever seen in an interview that is so important for the future of this sport…
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
Are you talking about the 1 hour special?
Because they also showed him people in Cleveland burning his jersey (which is low-class to me)
Maybe "Jason Evans" is just Tyreke in disguise
He really wants to play, but the team doesn’t want to risk injury because there’s not much to gain.
Tyreke: Jason Evans reporting for duty, coach.
Westphal: Uh, I know it’s you, Tyreke.
Tyreke: Wha? Does Tyreke Evans have a long white beard? Gimme the ball.
Courtesy AnotherStupidSN
by prowseinthehouse on Jul 8, 2010 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Ditto
What the hell was that about. Lebron their burning your jersey in Ohio…your thoughts? What was he going to say?
He is their home-town guy
because he actually wants to win they are just going to kick him to the curb?
Maybe "Jason Evans" is just Tyreke in disguise
He really wants to play, but the team doesn’t want to risk injury because there’s not much to gain.
Tyreke: Jason Evans reporting for duty, coach.
Westphal: Uh, I know it’s you, Tyreke.
Tyreke: Wha? Does Tyreke Evans have a long white beard? Gimme the ball.
Courtesy AnotherStupidSN
by prowseinthehouse on Jul 8, 2010 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I would thrown burning jersey's at his house.
But I’m a vengeful angry person.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
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He's no longer their home-town guy.
I don’t think you are understanding their perspective. They have bought his tickets, his jerseys, invested time and emotions into him. For some of those fans it’s the equivalent of their girlfriend or wife breaking up with them and being told “I want to be successful”. It hurts, let them cope. None of them getting $90 million to relocate to Miami with their good friends.
Well, it may have violated an ordinance restricting open flames in public.
"I feel ten feet tall right now...and strong as an ox!"
So that's why he moved his stuff out!
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
The police should let the unruly townsfolk burn the house to cinders.
Please. Allow the good people of Cleveland this much.
"I feel ten feet tall right now...and strong as an ox!"
by Juan Primo on Jul 8, 2010 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
True
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Imagine if the Cavs win a title next year
Way to be pre 2010 Martin Hossa, LeBron.
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Its not going to happen
But this would be the funniest thing ever.
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I would laugh my ass off if that happened
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Cleveland trades Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison for Chris Paul and David West.
Wait… wrong thread?
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
sportspickle
J.J. Redick could go to the Heat??? So it’s possible that people could dislike the Heat even more. Huh.
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"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
Good post Aykis
totally agree.
Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.
I bet Cleveland fans are listening to this song tonight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JLztfosqik
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
Or this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD5gR1put38
"I feel ten feet tall right now...and strong as an ox!"
And Miami fans
are seeing double rainbows… OMG OMG OMG OMG WooooooooooO!
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
I'm glad I jumped on that video early.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Yea good heads up BTW
at first I was like what is wally talking about? Some guy and rainbows? yea whatev…. oh wow..
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
The only 2 signings (off the top of my head)
us as Kings fans should care about are Amare and Boozer, because they both leave Western conference teams for Eastern conference teams (good for us!)
The David Lee sign and trade is something we should care about as well. But as far as whatever the Heat do …. no.
I will never be worried about the Warriors, no matter what they do.
I have faith that they’ll manage to always screw it up somehow.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 8, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Tough for the Cavs fans
this one hurts, we only have one professional team here in sac and the losses we have gotten our way hurts enough let alone 2 other professional teams plus the cavs. STAY STRONG CLEVELAND!
Top Ten Questions Jim Gray forgot to ask LeBron
10. So how does it feel?
9. What took you so long?
8. Get’s old, doesn’t it?
7. Miami? You made us go through all this shit for Miami?
6. You DO KNOW that Pat no longer coaches the Heat?
5. Will you guys be playing up the Three Amigos theme?
4. What if the NETS had thrown in Snooki as a bonus?
3. Do you think Miami will forget about the oil spill now?
2. So how many AAU players do you think Miami will need?
1. What will the unemployment rate be in the greater Cleveland area now that you’re gone?
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by Natomaser on Jul 8, 2010 7:52 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Instead he asked
“How long do you think President Obama would last in a game of H.O.R.S.E.?”
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
That was posted from some guy in Roseville actually.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
That leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Placer County is conservative. Why do we care about Obama’s basketball skills? I think that most of the questions would have been too tough to answer for LeBron so they just took the one that had the most puffery.
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
Don't be a fool
I question the patriotism of conservatives who are all about our country – unless its someone they didn’t vote for.
The President of the United States is a basketball fan, he was asked and commented about LBJ, they had a freakin hour special to fill.
sheesh
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Jul 9, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Please...
If spending until we literally destroy our country is patriotic then…whatever.
Lets not talk about the President.
by caseycheesecake on Jul 9, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
End the wars! Save some cash!
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 9, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry. Continue the wars! Spend more cash!
I gave equal time. ;-p
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 9, 2010 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Obligator Link
Hey if we are going to interject politics might as well get a good laugh
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
particularly the last third of it
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
I want to see...
Otis 29 play Obama in a game of H O R S E………
Dont confuse activity with achievement.
The way I see it, this is really bad for the NBA
LeBron felt that this was his best opportunity to win a championship, but it does, in effect, ruin his chances of being mentioned as the greatest of all time.
The biggest challenge? Sign with New York.
You want to overcome the shadow of Michael Jordan, playing with two all-stars that give you a great chance to win rings? Sign with Chicago.
Build a separate legacy? Sign with Cleveland.
The Nets and Clippers were never options.
The Heat? His numbers will decline, they might win a few championships; but it will forever be Dwayne Wade that recruited LeBron and Chris Bosh. Still, you can’t blame him for doing what was best for him.
The Eastern Conference? It won’t be as competitive. The Hawks, Wizards, and Bobcats probably won’t make it out of the South East anymore, not with Orlando and Miami. Boston and New Jersey will make it out of the Atlantic. We may be looking at 4 teams coming out of the Central again, but it won’t matter. Miami now has three guys capable of dropping 50 on any given night, except they won’t have to.
Luckily, the Western Conference can still offer some semblance of parity. The [redacted], yada yada yada, but past them, the line between good and bad isn’t so strictly drawn.
I don’t know. I like parity, and I feel like the bron-bosh-wade combo robs the league of it. At least, the Eastern Conference.
Richard Sandomir of the NYT rips Gray a new one
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/09/sports/basketball/09sandomir.html?_r=2&ref=sports
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
No reason until the dust settles
I think the Heat can be a good team but it will take some creativity for balance that team. I think the contract situations will be interesting for the heat because it is one thing to say you are going to take a pay cut and another to do it
My favorite part of the show was when LeBron was talking about why he left he said he was a very loyal person.
Everyone cares, Aykis.
Watching the first ever official 3-on-5 NBA game live is something a lot of us are looking forward to.
Stay focused, and stay away from unknown females.
Via TheAlexCenter
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
by 49er16 on Jul 8, 2010 8:07 PM PDT reply actions 10 recs
LOL
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Cavs just became my second team.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
I still can't believe
Jim Gray asked LeBron if he still bit his nails. I think Gray has replaced Peaches on my hatred scale.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
I forgot about that.
What a tool… Just stretch the amount of time before a groin shot to all of Cleveland.
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
I loved the question about whether LeBron still bites his nails.
Jim Gray went up a few notches in my book with that question.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Cavs Owner rips "The King" a new one in this letter to the fans
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/gilbert_letter_100708.html
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
damn
now that is one pissed off owner. Good news Carlos Boozer, you are now #2 on his list.
Really?
I think it’s comes across as petty and classless. Don’t forget Gilbert made his money being a businessman too.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Jul 8, 2010 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
certainly petty but i love it
“classless” would be what lebron did
and sure lebron is a “businessman” but I doubt if dan gilbert ever had millions of people emotionally invested in his widget factory and worshiping him in his hometown as some pseudomessiah….
I would love to have the means to take in the first heat-cavs game in cleveland, cuz im sick like that
by lchristmas on Jul 8, 2010 9:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Pretty aggressive letter
He may regret it later, but great theatre for us.
by monkeyklawz on Jul 8, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I loved this letter. It was awesome, although he may regret it later.
He was being totally honest.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
I dunno
It probably made him (and a lot of Cleveland fans) feel good, but I think it might actually help vindicate LeBron’s desire to leave.
Dude needs to maintain some modicum of professionalism. Let the local media do this part of the job (which you know they will).
The players are a fraternity, and I can’t imagine this is going to be a good selling tool in the future for the Cavs.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
I agree, although I FEEL for the Cleveland organization.
I very much agree with his anger, but it probably wasn’t a good idea for future players.
I don't think LeBron has anything to do with future players
there will never be another LeBron situation in Cleveland, and probably never again in the entire league.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 8, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope
No LBJ situation again like there was in Cle.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
You make a good point, Otis.
I still love the letter. It is raw and uncensored, with his feelings of anger and betrayal openly expressed. This must have felt like a slap in the face to him and Cleveland.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
But you love poetry
So it would be right up your alley. Amirite?
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
A little perspective please
Please elaborate on how LeBron was classless to leave Cleveland. He never asked to be traded, he didn’t leave after his rookie deal expired, he never said anything bad about the city or it’s fans and he never quit. He left after 7 years as an UNrestricted free agent.
I recommend you step off your soapbox and realize you are bashing a player for taking a 30 million dollar paycut to play in a town where he WON’T be worshipped as a savior. Just so he can have what he believes is his best chance to win.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Jul 8, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
This pretty much sums up how I feel
Oh and I don’t think he is saintly either for turning down that cash either. I just don’t really think it’s worth getting all high and mighty about it.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
i dont think its "high and mighty" to call someone out for what is pretty clearly an incredibly arrogant persona
nike did everything but market lebron shoes with nail holes, and they probably had those ready for next year
I don’t care that he left – I think the way he did it sucked
by lchristmas on Jul 8, 2010 10:49 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
This whole bizarre charity thing was crap, I'll give you that.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't get that. Don't you think ESPN would have had an hour show leading up to the press conference anyway?
I know CNN/Larry King had a whole show on about LeBron, during the James/ESPN thing.
- Scenario 1 is standard press conference with the same media hype, but no cash for the kids
- Scenario 2 is James gets a private interview, instead of facing a room of reporters and the kids get some cash.
Seems like a win-win to me.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 8, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I don't see it at all as a win-win
Don’t get me wrong, I agree that they would have dedicated just as much air time either way. I just think the whole “donate to charity” thing was mularky. The guy has a salary in the tens of millions and endorsements up the wazoo. If he was so concerned about that Boys and Girls club, why not just donate the money himself. Or better yet, do what he did except keep it silent and not have kids paraded around in the background.
Sorry but that was a straight up publicity stunt to make him look like a good guy while he gives out news that will piss of the home town crowd and sportsfans in general. To be that was like Barry Bonds throwing his son in front of the cameras. It was entirely to make people say “Hey Lebron isn’t so bad, he is giving money to children!”
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
There was no parading around.
It was mentioned once at the end of the interview. Wasn’t a big deal. I think the boys and girls club are more than happy to get the cash, and LeBron was happy to have some control over the interview.
Win-win.
Who lost?
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 8, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Cleveland fans.
Sports fans.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
That has nothing to do with the ESPN special
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 8, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Would Cleveland fans have won if he quietly announced he was leaving via Twitter?
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Jul 8, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope.
LeBron could have done it a lot of other ways. But he’s a drama queen and a bitch. That’s why he did it on ESPN. He cares more about how ESPN views him than anything else. Which I find amazing, but I’m not LeBron.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
LOL
and a bitch.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
I don't like him.
Kobe is a bitch and a lot of things, but he’s not a dramatic drama whore like LeBron is. Kobe is a real basketball player; LeBron is not.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yea I sensed that you dont like him
Call me crazy..
I just see them as two different personalities. But they’re both basketball players.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
I see the point Pookey is making.
Kobe takes the game of basketball very seriously. He is a student of the game, studying tape, constantly working to better himself. Media seeks out Kobe for his achievements, not the other way around, like LeBron.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
I totally agree with pookey on this one
I’ve been a Lebron fan for years, but the playoffs this year and “The Decision” were absolutely disgusting. I despise Kobe, but the guy has stuck with his team (despite trade requests) and I’ve never seen him shoot a free throw left-handed in a playoff game to play up an injury. I hate Kobe, but I respect Kobe. I can no longer say the same for Lebron. Way to go Gilbert.
Agree with your take on Kobe
Still think Lebron is a basketball player. And a damn good one..
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
by chenp22 on Jul 9, 2010 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is revisionist history
It really hasn’t been that long since Kobe purposely torpedoed his team in a game 7 (that was 2006). Now Kobe gets Pau Gasol (a player significantly better than any teammate LeBron was given), and he subsequently wins a few titles…and he’s a serious student of basketball?
Give me a break.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
by otis29 on Jul 9, 2010 5:58 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe not the right choice of words
I d say that Kobe has more of a do whatever I can to win, pass, shoot 35 shots a night,(tends more to do it himself).
Whereas Lebron is more about getting it done as a team. I think he could do it on his own ala that detroit game, but he hasn’t shown that lately.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
Kobe always went after it.
You disagree but LeBron James is a gutless wonder.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Did Kobe "go after it"
In that Game 7?
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Didn't say he did.
Did I?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Well yeah sorta did in a way.
Let me reframe this: Kobe Bryant has had his share of successes and failures. But unlike LeBron James, he has to live with the spoils of both. That’s the difference. If Kobe Bryant doesn’t “bring” it like people think he should, than he gets criticized for it.
So why doesn’t LeBron get criticized for not bringing it in the same instance? Why is it off base to criticize LeBron for not bringing it?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
So why doesn’t LeBron get criticized for not bringing it in the same instance?
Dude, what do you think 90% of the comments here, and the general perception of the media after game 5 in Boson were doing? LeBron’s been criticized non-stop since the season ended.
And that’s fine, I get it. But when you prop up Kobe as some sort of comparison to LeBron, you have to willfully ignore the fact that he’s been prone to this in the past as well.
Compare him to Jordan, fine. Compare him to Magic or Bird, fine. But comparing him to Kobe? Let’s be real here.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Oh you're right
There is no comparison. it’s an embarrassment to basketball to put LeBron with Kobe let alone Michael Larry or Magic.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
What specifically is an embarrassment to basketball to put Lebron with Kobe?
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
Eh Ill explain it in my fanpost I'm working on.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I think you did
Kobe always went after it.
You might want to throw an “almost” in front of that word, pookey.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Well whatever. You want to quibble. I don't.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Atleast Otis is basing his statements on facts.
You’re goin purely off your own biases.
Let us usher in the era of Reke DMC!
I'm a sports fan
I didn’t lose anything. Actually, I’ll quite enjoy watching these three together to see how it works.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Come on. I'm sorry but this is ridiculous.
For example, what if Kobe, after the whole Colorado incident, decided to have his press conference with his wife at a Boys and Girls and let everyone know he was donating money? I know this is a bit more extreme example but I think it’s applicable.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Kobe didn't announce his decision on TV.
He didn’t have 6 teams coming after him.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I was referring to that awkward press conference with his wife when they were on TV, just after the scandal broke.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah well no good way to do that.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
That's not a defense of Kobe.
My point is nothing he does will make him look good.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I know I just wanted to point out how absurd it is to hide behind charity.
Just because it technically works better for Lebron doesn’t mean it’s more appropriate.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
It came across a pretty lame for LeBron.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
That's cuz LeBron is lame.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 8, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yup. No disagreement from me.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
I agree with you.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
It was Lebron's attempt to shield criticism. He was litterally trying to donate his way out of having to look like the bad guy.
How about just donating for the sake of donating
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yep. What Wally said.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yup. What Wally said.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Do you know that he doesn't do that as well?
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 8, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
That's not Wally's point.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
How is it a bad thing to get ESPN and their sponsors to donate cash to a charity?
Did he do it to try to help himself as well? Sure, so what.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 8, 2010 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
The charity part isn't a bad thing.
The point is he did it to cover his enormous ego in announcing an enormous situation.
He left Cleveland. He’s a traitor to his hometown and the team he left. That’s all there is to it. By leaving the Cavs, he’s become public enemy #1. I think he’s in for a long stretch that he’s not prepared for.
I have a feeling this won’t end well for LBJ.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
+5
because this is an excellent comment and representing the 5 players that belong in the d-league who will be making up a large part of the heat roster for the next 5 years
I don’t think people are really thinking about just how much 3 max contracts cripples your ability to sign even a few servicable journeymen
they’ll have maybe one more decent nba starter, 2 or 3 passable role players, and an assortment of discarded trash. it is hard to win with a 6 man rotation – no matter now good your top 3 are
by lchristmas on Jul 8, 2010 11:31 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You're nuts if you think they'll be stocked with D-Leaguers
Quite possible they may have to round out the roster with some sub-par talent in year one, but after that they won’t have that issue.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
They're going to continue to have that issue
You only get one MLE each year. You only get the Bi-Annual Exception every 2 years. While I doubt either exception will be eliminated, it’s going to be hard to get top tier talent to be that 4th player.
Mike Miller ain’t it.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
They're going to continue to have that issue
You only get one MLE each year. You only get the Bi-Annual Exception every 2 years. While I doubt either exception will be eliminated, it’s going to be hard to get top tier talent to be that 4th player.
Mike Miller ain’t it.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
So you're just pissed that he left the Cavs.
That has nothing to do with the conversation I was having.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 9, 2010 6:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't give one shit about Cleveland.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I cant imagine how bad the Cleveland fans must feel.
I bet its like-
Take our history with the Lakers. But imagine if WE drafted Kobe. And he signed with the Lakers and beat us down all those years.
Ouch…
by caseycheesecake on Jul 9, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
And we force fed kobe shitty teams for 7 seasons...
and during those 7 seasons he never complained and was the consummate team player. And now he’s a villain for leaving after 7 years of trying?
Let us usher in the era of Reke DMC!
I found it weird
that the 30 min of that interview that I was forced to watch …. I saw Lebron’s Vitamin Water commercial twice ….
That fucker! Using his free agency to promote products and
hide behind needy children and fuck over cities and steal money from the elderly and sell swampland in Florida and promote drug use and exploit sweatshop workers and increase unemployment and screw the housing market and piss off billionaire owners and try to win a championship before he gets to old. That Bitch.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 9, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Rec'd
Any guy who has to call his mother for advice, before making an important business decision can’t be all bad. A touching moment, really. His mom assures him that she will still love him, that she just wants her son to be happy. What a Hallmark moment. I think I am going to cry.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
But you don't like him
and I should have said “too old” not “to old” and I forgot to mention his selling nuclear secretes to Kim Jeong Il and his pedophilia. I blame LeBron for my omissions. That bastard.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 9, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Am I that transparent?
Not to worry about your omissions. I have no doubt, the self-anointed King, will offer up future fodder.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
You forgot about the gulf oil spill
And that shit’s still going!
Please, for the love of god - someone take the gas can out of Dan Gilbert's hand!
Did anyone else notice that in LeBron's commercial
the thing they were using to cover up his face sort of looked like a crab with a crown? KING CRAB!
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crab dribble?
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 9, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
It's supposed to be the image of a lion's face
that was his symbol in his early Nike campaigns.
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He's too busy killing kittens
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Naw, I'm with Wally
The charity has nothing to do with this. His decision is just his decision, there’s many ways to make it public and he chose to do it this way. If he cares about the charity, he has plenty of money to donate to it, ESPN special or not.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 8, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly.
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No doubt
The only thing I object to in this process is the contrived one-hour special. But that’s small potatoes in the grand scheme of things.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Oh I definitely think he donates to charity. I would be shocked if that weren't the case. I bet he throws in literally millions of dollars into projects he believes in.
But that isn’t the point. This is still a douche nozzle move.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
By donating to charity he gets tax breaks.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
LOL
You do understand the point of a tax break right? You only get a percentage back of the amount you donate.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
No what's a tax break?
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Now that I'll give you
The TV show idea was crass
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Jul 8, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
you're not gonna change anyone's mind
everyone who hates lebron will continue to hate him no matter what he does. Nobel Peace Prize or otherwise. they’ll continue to believe that the Cavs team was stacked and ready for a championship and lebron sucked too much. They’ll ignore 2 MVPs and ignore the ridiculous stats. Ignore his All-NBA Defense and Offense. Yup, it’s his fault Mo Williams (his best supporting player) is worse than Jason Terry. It’s his fault Shaq, their best big, is a shell of himself. It’s his fault the organization consistently drafted shitty players and made poor, short term signings. It’s all his fault. He owes the Cavs for all the fame and talent they’ve given him. He’s done nothing for them or Dan Gilbert. It’s all his fault; he’s the anti-Christ. He’s not even a real superstar — just a supporting player at best.
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by Shizzo on Jul 8, 2010 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think that's the toughest point for me to ignore (from the LeBron haters)
That Cleveland put sufficient talent around LeBron. That’s just fantasyland.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
This.
let’s see if the Cavs even make the playoffs in the East next year.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Jul 8, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
no chance in hell
I think they’ll have the lowest wins in the NBA, closely followed by TWolves and Knicks
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I very much doubt the Knicks will finish in the bottom three.
"I feel ten feet tall right now...and strong as an ox!"
There is a middle ground here
Maybe Cleveland didn’t quite do as much as they could to build a contender around LeBron, but I don’t think they were trying to lose, and I don’t think it’s out of the question that LeBron would’ve been able to win a championship in Cleveland in the future.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 8, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Totally agree with you on this.
I just don’t think the Cavs were somehow entitled to have him sign back up with them.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
true
but i think that the way he handled it was terrible. who would have thought durant the more mature person.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
What should he have done differently?
Assuming that he really didn’t know who he was going to sign with.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 8, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah. What did he do that was wrong?
He visited the teams that he was interested in, listened to their pitches, and made a decision in a timely manner. And he got ESPN and their sponsors to donate cash to a charity.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 8, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Bad assumption
He knew at some point. He could’ve done it without the drama, and spared Cleveland some embarrassment. This was classless, no way around it.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 8, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep
Totally classless. I didn’t really like LeBron before, but now he’s a chump. I hope Wade gets all the accolades.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And make no mistake
The Miami Heat is Dwyane Wade’s team. LeBron James joined Dwyane Wade’s team.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
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You can call it that.
But Dwade said Welcome Bosh and James to YOUR CITY. I really dont think Wade cares about that crap.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
Today he doesn't.
We’ll see about this in November, the following March and come April May and June when there is adversity.
This isn’t over. I promise you that.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
This is going to be very interesting to see how this develops.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
It really depends on how they handle it IMO
If they have the same mentality that the big 3 in Boston did, they will be fine. It just comes down to them. Will Wade or Lebron try and “Take Over”? Yea its def possible. But If their winning, theres no reason to care about those things. Thats the funny thing about winning. Time will tell.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
I would have thought Durant the more mature person.
I love Durant. He is one of my favorite players. I can’t stand LeBron. None of how he handled this whole situation surprised me. It only reinforced how I have felt about him all along. I don’t blame him for leaving Cleveland. It is the way he did it that I abhor.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
i think that the way he handled it was terrible. who would have thought durant the more mature person.
I’ve seen this comment a few times and it left me wondering: What if Durant decided he didn’t want to stay in Oklahoma but used the exact same method of letting everyone know what he was going to do. What if Durant’s twitter said
“I am going to test free agency. God Is Great, me and my family came a long way.”
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
I can understand that.
LBJ exploring Free Agency is not the point. Jordan explored it. Kobe explored it. McHale signed with the Knicks until the NBA responded and McHale ended back with the Celtics.
It happens. I’m not killing LBJ exploring for his options. It’s not the point.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
To be fair though, this wasn't in response to any of your comments.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
I think I have a pretty good idea of why you don't like Lebron.
I think I haven’t been a big fan of him for pretty much the exact same reasons too. He’s an emotionally stunted child in a man’s body whose goal is to be rich and adored by everyone. I just don’t think of him as much of a competitor.
That being said, I kind of gave up on trying to like him a long time ago.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 9, 2010 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I enjoy the athlete that he is
Some of the things he does on the court are remarkable. The person? mehh.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
No Wally
You nailed it. Perfect mayne,
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
How does he lead his team to the league's best record in 2 consecutive seasons w/o being a competitor?
Is bball just that easy to him?
Let us usher in the era of Reke DMC!
My question was sort of answered already below
I was just trying to figure out the difference. Obviously I know they were both different but I am a bit slow and wanted to see a form of a written statement that would have sufficed. I think nbrans gave a nice example.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 9, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Wait. LeBron resigned with Cleveland once too. Same as Durant.
Let’s see what happens if Durant spends 7 years with the Thunder and they can’t find another all-star to help him out.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 9, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
They already drafted 1 in Westbrook
Westbrook, as a sophmore, is better than ANY player LeBron has played with in his entire career. And it’s a huge gap. can we all agree on that?
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I must have been watching a different league cause I recall Cleveland being a contender the last few seasons.
They didn't look so great agains Boston this year, and weren't really threatening to win the whole thing even when they made the finals
but yeah, I guess they’ve been considered “contenders” the past few years.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 8, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Funny they were considered contenders the whole time.
I don’t remember anybody saying Cleveland couldn’t win a title the last few seasons.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
We'll see how good they are this year.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 8, 2010 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
If I were them I would dump Varejao & Williams for cap space in 2011.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
that's cause LeBron was a 2 time MVP and MVP candidate in years prior
but somehow still a supporting player at best
Let us usher in the era of Reke DMC!
MVP candidates are not Scottie Pippen.
MVP candidates are Michael Jordan.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
uh.....i know you're a solid nba fan, so you definitely know LeBron was a serious contender for the MVP before he won his 2 MVPs
Let us usher in the era of Reke DMC!
on a related note
Scottie Pippens also never won 2 MVPs by the age of 26.
Let us usher in the era of Reke DMC!
Also on a related note
Pippen was frickin ridiculously good
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 9, 2010 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh yea! Top 50 for a reason.
but pookey brought him up as the contrast to MJ, not I.
Let us usher in the era of Reke DMC!
On a related note
Michael Jordan didn’t leave the team he drafted him because it got too hard.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
On a related note
Michael Jordan never won a playoff series until they drafted Scottie Pippen (a HOFer). Who was the HOFer that the Cavs acquired to play with LeBron? Oh yea, the rotting corpse of Shaq.
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Give me a break.
Pippen was on that Bulls team for a few failed campaigns and was ripped as reason why Jordan couldn’t get over the top. He wasn’t an All Star until the Bulls broke through to a championship.
I’ll give you a break because you probably weren’t old enough to see the Bulls rise and lack context. Pippen was absolutely crucified after the Bulls failed to get past the Pistons for the 3rd time. Analyst even questioned whether Pippen was a viable starter at the time.
Jordan was also crucified for it too.
Badly.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Until the Bulls won their first title
MJ was seen as a selfish me first gunner who didn’t want to play defense.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
You writing a Lebron article?
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Yeah.
Haven’t started it yet though.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm having a trouble with the format because their is a lot of things related to this I want to talk about.
On one hand, I want to write a fanpost here. And I want to write a post at EC.
The problem is I don’t want to write two pieces. But I’m thinking I have to.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
This Story
can go so many directions. I imagine you could easily break your word count. LoL
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
Nah
I hope not.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yeah I just asked cuz I saw your twitter comment on Zach's twitter
If you couldn’t tell, he was running the ESPN chat room all day today. I bet that was absolutely lovely.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Oh yeah I feel bad for him.
But he’s angling for a job. So he’ll get it eventually. This is a big part of that.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Jordan was always heavily crucified
People always describe Jordan as a killer. He got that way because of the heat he took losing.
The Pistons and Celtics would not only murder him on the court (literally they would try) but took great pleasure murdering his character off the court.
Yup. Nerd is clearly old enough to remember.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
LeBron is not Michael Jordan
Thus LeBron is shit. Also, Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade, Kevin Durant, and Tyreke Evans are not Jordan…so they are shit. It’s new math!
This nonsense is LeBron-hate run amok, I tell ya.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Nope
Again you’re missing the point.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I don't think I am
When you step back, take a deep breath and remove the LeBron hate from your thinking process, maybe we’d be able to have a rational discussion.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Oh nope.
I don’t hate LeBron. That’s what you don’t get. I don’t like him either way, but he screwed the pooch. LeBron is a clueless twat. But I’m not being irrational here.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
You don't hate LeBron??
Uhm…ok. Good talking with ya.
Please, for the love of god - someone take the gas can out of Dan Gilbert's hand!
Peace.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Come on man.
I don’t hate LeBron.
Let any 3rd party person read ur comments and see what they say. I’m obv not gonna tell you what you’re thinking, but if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck. then that duck hates lebron.
Let us usher in the era of Reke DMC!
Pookeyguru is not a Duck.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
Mwahahahahahaha.
Shizzo is just mad I don’t like his baby LeBron.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Now I'm confused
I don’t hate LeBron.
I don’t like his baby LeBron.
So what is it? You so-so LeBron? Take a stand already.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 10, 2010 5:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't hate LeBron. I don't like him either.
That’s my position.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
this entire "decision" nonsense
was a narcissistic, self promotional, classless, ego stroking “follow me on twitter as I tear the heart out of my hometown” exercise in “look at me.”
classless.
and as far as “never quitting,” well, not exactly accurate judging from the games I saw in the playoffs. he clearly quit. im not a cavs fan and nobody is saying it here for the first time
and he did not take any $30 million pay cut. you know that. if anything in the long run I bet he makes more money in miami and whichever other superteam he gloms on to after this contract is up in 5 years.
by lchristmas on Jul 8, 2010 10:40 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No, if he was milking for attention, he would have visited every team and dragged this on for another month.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 8, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
No, he DID take a 30 million MINIMUM less in garenteed money.
What he may get in endorsements or winning (if it happens as many claim) is an unknown variable. He gave that 6th year and higher payout security up in exchange for what he thinks is his best chance to win. There’s no arguing with that.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Jul 8, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
The lack of income tax in Florida turns out to be a pretty significant chunk of money
And it’s one of the reasons Bosh and LeBron might come close to making the same amount of money on a 5 year deal with Miami as they would on a 6 year sign-and-trade for the max.
That’s all just theory in a vacuum though – I’d hazard a guess these guys would have some pretty serious tax accountants sheltering a lot of that income from state tax. So who knows?
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
That very well could be why the three ended up in Miami and not NY
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by Kfan in Korea on Jul 8, 2010 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
No way, see the math below.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Jul 8, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I doubt taxes played any kind of role but I can see George Will latching onto this.
Besides, Florida’s tax system is only nice if you are sole resident of Florida. Double residence gets taxed up with wazoo.
You don't think he'll go sole resident?
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
If a main reason was to profit more he’d have no choice. Florida collects all it’s tax money from people with vacation homes and residences in other states. It’s why the local necks don’t get taxed for anything and we all know there are a lot of vacation homes in Florida.
Thanks for the info bignerd
I’ll see if I can dig up that data I saw earlier today about the state tax ramifications.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
I think it does
Shaq almost didn’t leave Orlando because of it. What changed his mind is that the Lakers agreed to pay him for the first half of the season up front at the beginning of his first year.
But yeah still have to pay the fed.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it might
I forget where I read the post, but someone had crunched the numbers, and in consideration of the tax bracket a guy like LeBron would have been in playing in Ohio – the state tax considerations would put him in the ballpark moneywise.
Take that with a grain of salt though – I didn’t see any actual calculations to back it up. I think it’s pretty obvious that the amount of state tax would be significant over the life of the contract, but the actual number’s in doubt.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
The tax thing is big, but not as big as everyone thinks
Players income is taxed by the state in which the game is played. Therefore only 42 are state-tax free, and since he would have played to inMiami anyway, only 40/82 of his salary is untaxed (state) in comparison. The highest state tax rate in Ohio is 5.925%. Based on a max salary of 15.6 million, playing for Miami only saves LeBron ~450,000 a year. Not even close to what he gave up to leave CLE
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by 27freethrows on Jul 8, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Do we already know how much he is signing for?
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope, my math is based off the max
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by 27freethrows on Jul 8, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
wait it is taxed where the game is played?
not where the team is located and operates out of?
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Yup
Blame the great state of California on that one. Back after the Bulls beat the Lakers in the finals we decided to get revenge and apply an entertainment tax on the Chicago Bulls when they came to play in California. Once that revenue stream was created everyone copied it.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
i really have no idea how that would work.
you have a link to anything that explains this?
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Yikes I actually had a text book with it in there but I think it's in my garage.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Basically you have now have to file taxes in every single state you play in now.
So you basically have to hire a team of accountants to cover it all.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
State Income tax is not the big deal people make it to be.
Then again, I’ve never made as much as LeBron either.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Sigh
I wish I had that problem too
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by 27freethrows on Jul 8, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
You make more than me. Settle for that.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
People also somehow forget that the players have to pay their fed taxes regardless
Hey and if they still have $2 million in assets when they die they are eligible to pay the death tax too. Yippy!
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
"Estate tax"
not “death tax”.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 8, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
shoot, are they two separate things or am I just using the non technical term?
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Unless they start to tax your dead body for the burial fees.
Then, it would be a death tax.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
They can tax your estate for your burial fees can't they?
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
One side calls it the "Estate Tax", the other calls it the "Death Tax"
It’s the same thing, different names to serve different purposes.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 8, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Going out on a limb here
I’d bet that StR is the only blog that is currently debating the state tax implications of LeBron going to Miami…
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 8, 2010 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually had a debate about police brutality on GSoM today.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Not entirely shocked by that, actually
Seems to be a pretty substantive topic. Made AOL’s front page headlines.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 8, 2010 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, kind of funny
There was a fanpost there titled “Mehserle found guilty of involuntary manslaughter. David Lee might want to reconsider coming to Oakland right now.”
Oh and they were serious.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I didnt even know about that Grant case
until today. Thats terrible what happened btw..
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
There is some grainy video footage of it too if you look for it.
Pretty interesting case.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats the one I saw
people talking on the train, Could hear the shot. Sent chills down my spine.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
Yeah I saw it on the new york times webpage. I think it was the same video.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 9, 2010 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions
lets leave aside
the endorsements (which I don’t think will change much) and the state tax (which is a nice chunk of change)
if you really think lebron james won’t make $30 million in his age 30 season then one of two things has happened – a crippling injury or the financial collapse of the nba.
he had the right to make this move – lets not also start praising him for his financial sacrifices without a realistic prediction of what he’s giving up – which is PROBABLY nothing.
by lchristmas on Jul 8, 2010 10:57 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It's not that simple
By signing with CLE Lebrons would start at the max and go up 10.5% per year. With any other team his max first year can only go up 8% per year. Pair that with the fact max salary is tied to overall salary cap, there is ZERO ways for LeBron to make equal salary anywhere compared to staying. None.
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by 27freethrows on Jul 8, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
So what would have been the classy thing to do?
Is this just frustration over the whole one hour special? Did the Cavs somehow “earn” Lebron resigning with them?
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
In my mind, the classlessness is the process, not the decision.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 8, 2010 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh okay
Can’t argue with you on that one. I understand him taking his time but he really needed to just do a regular press conferene without parading kids around. Not sure if it is common to give the team you played for a heads up right before the press conference but I would assume that would be pretty normal.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
In my mind, if his decision was really about his best opportunity to win championships
then he probably had a good idea of his decision as soon as he, Bosh, and Wade all realized that they could end up on the same team. That was quite a while ago. This whole thing could’ve been in the bag weeks ago, but it dragged on, much to LeBron’s gain and Cleveland’s heartache.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 8, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I am starting to believe the rumors they had talked about this before
But life is complicated. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Lebron was having a hard time deciding whether to really follow through on this whole idea of playing together. I mentioned it earlier somewhere else but I got the feeling Lebron was trying to have the best of both worlds and was trying to get Bosh over to Cleveland. It’s just that Bosh wasn’t willing to back out of it being a three player agreement and knew Miami was the only place where they could realistically join together and he decided to go to Miami and leave it up to Lebron to decide whether he wanted to join with them as promised or stay with Cleveland.
I could be totally wrong but that is how I read it. I can’t see this as being an easy decision for Lebron.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
An ESPN special dedicated to your decision doesn't exactly scream "heart-wrenching call" to me
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 8, 2010 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
This.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Did I use the term "heart-wrenching"?
Obviously nomatter how the whole thought process worked out there was a point where he made his decision on where to go and then pulled the whole ESPN special out of his ass. I guess it’s more of an issue of when he actually committed to leaving for Miami.
If you honestly believe he was fully committed to the idea of leaving Miami weeks in advance, then he is an incredibly heartless bastard.
If he was seriously mulling his options though and undecided until very recently, then he is just out of touch from reality was too much of a coward to actually handle the criticism so had to make sure he was surrounded by kids.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I extrapolated "I can't see this as being an easy decision" to "heart-wrenching decision"
Personally, I think he knew he was leaving Cleveland well before tonight. That weighs heavily on my feeling that LeBron was awfully douchey in the process of his announcement. If I’m wrong, then he’s less douchey, but nothing can console the Cleveland fans and I can’t help but be on their side in this.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 8, 2010 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course I could very well be proven wrong soon
but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until then.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with this.
LeBron wants to add some rings to his fingers. Can’t blame him since Kobe has five of them. He knows that the best way to get those rings is to team up with Wade and Bosh. I suspect he knew where he wanted to go much earlier than this morning.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
I just don't see how those rings will mean very much when he has to share them with 2 of the other top 10 players in the league
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 8, 2010 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
The thing was that Larry Bird & Magic Johnson pushed their teams to championships with top talent
LeBron James won’t be pushing the Heat to a championship; that’s Dwyane Wade’s job.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
So what though
If they win multiple rings (not saying it’s going to happen but if) then he will be apart of a special team that straight up won. I can respect wanting to be a part of a group of guys kicking ass together.
But then again I am not a Miami Heat fan and could care less about the team’s legacy or the legacy of it’s players.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand wanting to win.
I just think LeBron has no clue to go about it.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
We need to remember though that a team the likes of this has never been known
Even Shaq-Kobe was always a short-term prospect. A successful LeBron-Wade-Bosh team could be a new chapter in NBA history. We can’t really say what the legacy of this team will feel like, as it’s totally uncharted waters.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 8, 2010 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep
No 7 year guys have gotten together to try & win a championship.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
What about the 03-04 Lakers?
Must admit, they were a bit older, but they were an all -star team of sorts. Didn’t work out obviously. Funny enough, when looking up the roster, I didn’t realize Ime Udoka was on that team.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
Nah, not even close.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 8, 2010 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions
This Miami Heat team is nothing like the 03-04 Lakers
Kobe Bryant was the one star in his prime. Shaq was a bit past (although people were slow to realize this), Karl malone and Gary Payton were on their last legs.
Had Malone stayed healthy, the Lakers would have beat Detroit. Funny how things play out though. As some guy from Harold & Kumar, things tend to play out the way they should.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Thats what I meant when I said
Must admit they were a bit older.
But they were a team assembled of all stars and HOF s chasing the rings.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
Hakeem, Barkley and Drexler didn’t work out either. Utah killed them with their lack of role players.
Nash, Amare and Marion failed too due to lack of remaining players on the roster.
Of course Boston’s Big Three don’t win without that solid supporting cast. BTW, the Cavs almost beat in a Game 7.
Pretty sure Hakeen and Drexler did fine together
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 9, 2010 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions
They did
But it wasn’t enough to get them that ring.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
yes it was
Drexler got a ring when he joined Houston.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 9, 2010 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep but bringing Barkley aboard didn’t make up for the loss of the rest of that championship team. Basically John Stockton single handily killed them at the PG position.
True but I am just pointing out that Drexler went ring chasing with Hakeem and it turned out okay.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 9, 2010 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions
That game in houston against Utah
was on NBA Classics a few months ago here. Was a hell of a game, back and forth Buckets gallore. Makes you miss the older days sometimes.
Though that game with PHX and LA going back and forth was fun this year.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
I actually don't remember the PHX/LA one
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
This year
I think either game 3 or 4.. Seemed like no one could miss a three pointer.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
Oh brainfart
Thought you were talking back when Houston and the Jazz played each other in the 90s. My bad.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
And I would agree, I miss a lot of the old players
but then again, everything looks rosey when its from your childhood.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Yes and no
For me Paxon putting the nail in game 6 of the 93 finals killed me.
Watching Barkley and that suns team was a joy though
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
What year was the PHX versus LA series you are talking about?
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
To be honest the one game I remember with PHX in the playoffs was Game 4 of the PHX SEA series in 96-97
Just when Chapman hit that insane 3 from that inbounds play with like one second left. He ran toward whoever was inbounding the pass and nailed a turn around fade away 3 as he was falling into the stands. That was unreal.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Yea I remember that one
I remember attempting it for years after. Such a tough shot.
Funny how the suns seem to raise the young white point guards.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
It is not so much that he has to share them.
It is more about his legacy. Better to get some rings with other players, than to remain in Cleveland for another 6 years and get none. He has to catch up with Kobe.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Disagree
but again, I’m a romantic.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 8, 2010 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
That ain't happening.
LeBron ain’t leading no team to a title and Wade will break down before Miami gets a shot at 5 rings.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
yep
but unfortunately the 1 hour special seems to be what is required by his giant ego
and the fact that not only didn’t he call the cavs but that he wouldn’t answer when they called doesn’t look good
I have no problem with the decision – just “The Decision”
by lchristmas on Jul 8, 2010 11:16 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
agreed, too.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Like I wrote elsewhere, Gilbert di the right thing.
I’ll just post my previous comment:
His responisbility is to rally the organisation and the fans, and bring them hope and a sense of purpose, not to honor some unwritten rule about staying nice to players. This letter, although a bit over the top, did the trick.
If LBJ didn’t have the courtesy to inform the Cavs of his decision prior to the interview (isn’t there some written rule in that regard?), I see no reason whatsoever why Gilbert should show restraint. As stated here above, the move to Miami must have been finalized some time ago. If LBJ put more stock in having a dramatic interview where everybody was second-guessing up until the last minute than to show courtesy to the organisation that drafted him and tried to build a team around him and cater to his wishes, then Gilbert has no reason to show any consideration.
Yes, Gilbert is a business man, but I think he and many other owners are in basketball not for the revenue but because of a passion for the sport. You think the Maloofs are in it for the profit margins?
Also, I believe that Gilbert is pissed off for more reasons than just LBJ’s leaving Cleveland and in the way he communicated it. This quote is interesting:
There is so much more to tell you about the events of the recent past and our more than exciting future. Over the next several days and weeks, we will be communicating much of that to you.
Before you all start judging Gilbert too soon and too harsh for reacting too soon and too harsh, maybe we should wait and hear what has truly happened?
Dunking Dutchman
by RikSmits on Jul 8, 2010 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yes, Gilbert is a business man, but I think he and many other owners are in basketball not for the revenue but because of a passion for the sport. You think the Maloofs are in it for the profit margins?
Absolutely. The Maloof’s want to win, but they want to win AND make money. They are definitely business people.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I could care less about some unwritten rules or whatever, that letter made him look like an idiot.
Comic sans? Really? Also, nice job making fun of the guy for being called “the King” and the whole “Witness” thing. Pretty sure you had zero problem with all the Nike promotions tied to Lebron when he was on your team but now all of a sudden you speak up about how ridiculous it was?
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
When LeBron was on the team, he had to hold his tongue.
Now, he is saying all the things he really wanted to say all along.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Why did he have to hold his tongue?
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
That should be fairly obvious.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Maybe to the public
but to Lebron? I dont see why an owner shouldn’t be able to talk to his “Franchise player”
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
I don't think an owner of a team tells his star player that he is a narcissistic
pompous jerk.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Agreed
But those were all remarks made after the decision filled with his own emotion.
I was more referring to
There is so much more to tell you about the events of the recent past and our more than exciting future. Over the next several days and weeks, we will be communicating much of that to you.
and all the other things he said about Lebron giving up. If he had all these beefs with him, it seems kind of unprofessional to let all out in the open once Lebron has decided to go.
.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
It's unprofessional
But so was LeBron. One act of conceit is not necessarily hurt by another. Gilbert wasn’t necessarily right, but I think it was an emotional moment.
Now, if Gilbert continues? That’s stupid.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Agreed
Lebron didnt exactly handle it the best way he could have. But the truth hurts. Would Gilbert not have written that letter if Lebron had called them and told them he was bolting? who knows. I think it would have been better for Gilbert to stand above it and not stoop to the two wrongs make a right.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
Gilbert has to show his fans
that he has done all he could and will do all he can to make the Cavs succeed.
If he woyuld have come out with a polite statement wishing LBJ the best of luck, would you have applauded it? Would the Cavs fans? No. Everybody knew it would be insincere and meaningless.
He wants to let people know that he did the best he could, and that may include shedding a light on why things didn’t pan out.
Everybody is calling this a business, but when the boss indicates that he will be transparent about why things have gone wrong, it is unprofessional?
Tell that the brass at BP.
Dunking Dutchman
He should have indicated displeasure at the decision
Said he was going to take the high road, and TAKE the high road. LeBron’s been getting hammered over this for a week now, he’ll get hammered for a while still. There’s no need for the owner to gleefully pile on.
Dan Gilbert could have stayed above the fray, to the betterment of his franchise. Now he looks like a loon, and his team’s going to ultimately pay the price.
If anything, this makes me understand LeBron’s decision a bit more.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
There was no glee in Gilbert's statement
How would he be gleeful in a time like this.
If I was a Cavs fan, I’d be applauding my owner for being passionate and emotional like Gilbert was.
If he would have said that it is just business after LBJ dissed Cleveland in almost the worst possible way on national television would have been weak and terribly underwhelming. I’d prefer over the top in this case to underwhelming.
Dunking Dutchman
Agree to disagree
But I think people are making this way too black-and-white. There’s a very good chance that LeBron is a self-involved jackass, and that Dan Gilbert is a dunderheaded egotist himself.
Sucks for Cleveland basketball fans, that’s for sure.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
No this sucks for the entire NBA.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And I ain't worried one iota about Miami's superteam either.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Disagree
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Yeah well of course you do. I don't expect otherwise. You see something as important; I see it as more of a red herring in a way.
I’m really not trying to see that Kobe is perfect here. Or anyone else. I’m just trying to say taht LeBron James is a clueless twat who has no clue.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Why does it suck for the entire NBA?
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
Because LeBron ruined the entire league!
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 9, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Now that's change I can believe in!
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Actually SD was heh
But I was just going along with it.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
Because the money was pouring in
Hard to see Dan Gilbert as an aggrieved heroic figure in all this.
What he’s really pissed about is that the value of his franchise took a hit today. But it’s still worth a ton more than it was when he bought in, and that’s due to a guy named LeBron James.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
How do you know?
I think he took it personally, and it wasn’t so much about the money as it was about the way showed a total lack of respect.
Gilbert also pumped a lot of money into the organization in an effort to succeed and keep LBJ satisfied.
Dunking Dutchman
How do you know?
I think he took it personally, and it wasn’t so much about the money as it was about the way showed a total lack of respect.
We are both speculating. And you’re assuming Dan Gilbert is the white knight here…I disagree.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Oh Dan Gilbert is not the white knight.
He fucked this 10 ways from Sunday from the day he bought the team.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
With all due respect
please don’t put words in my mouth. I do not assume DG is a white knigh
My point is that although he may have gone a bit too far, DG did what he had to do to rally the Cavs fans.
Dunking Dutchman
I agree with the rally point.
Gilbert needed to be over the top last night. It’s a one time shot; it’s classless. But really so was LeBron. An eye for an eye in a very emotional moment.
However, emotions can explain it once. Again? Heh, not so much. Hopefully Gilbert realizes that. If he doesn’t? Eh, that could get interesting (and in an ugly way).
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
From what he said in his letter
regarding letting things out in the coming weeks. Sounds like things will get ugly. Unless someone with a brain gets a hold of him first.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
Hopefully that's so.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
It's makes for good entertainment, that's for sure
Please, for the love of god - someone take the gas can out of Dan Gilbert's hand!
Emotions can never explain away the use of Comic Sans.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Also, I don't post like I know it all
You wrote: "what he’s really pissed about…
I wrote: “I think he took it personally” . I don’t imply to know.
Dunking Dutchman
Do I really need to add this?
I mean, is there some assumption that I know Dan Gilbert personally?
Come on Rik, your picking nits now.
We could do that all day…you said this earlier:
He wants to let people know that he did the best he could, and that may include shedding a light on why things didn’t pan out.
Sounds like the same thing to me.
Please, for the love of god - someone take the gas can out of Dan Gilbert's hand!
Damn it!
Why do you have to be so nice? :)
Apology accepted, though none is necessary. I know you and I get into it fairly often, but I enjoy it since you’re one of the smarter peeps here.
Please don’t take anything I write personally, and accept my apologies as well if you have.
Please, for the love of god - someone take the gas can out of Dan Gilbert's hand!
LOL
I enjoy these discussions as well, but I hate it when I get carried away and start spouting pure bullsh*t.
Now let’s stop these niceties and start clashing again. Deal?
Dunking Dutchman
I agree
I thought it made him look moronic.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
But funny at the same time
I PERSONALLY GUARANTEE THAT THE CLEVELAND CAVALIERS WILL WIN AN NBA CHAMPIONSHIP BEFORE THE SELF-TITLED FORMER ‘KING’ WINS ONE"
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
That's an eyeroller
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
I agree with you, Rik.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
His quotes are unprofessional, and might be indicative of a classless organization
The entire Cleveland media is going to do his dirty work for him – and the national media as well. He could have voiced his displeasure and left it at that.
While this may feel good to him, it’s probably going to hurt his organization in the long haul.
I don’t care if LeBron called him on the phone and laughed his ass off – I wouldn’t want my owner reacting this way. There’s better ways to go about doing this kind of thing.
Oh, and does it strike you as odd that the Cavs organization was desperately trying to get this “quitter” to re-sign with them?
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
I don’t care if LeBron called him on the phone and laughed his ass off – I wouldn’t want my owner reacting this way. There’s better ways to go about doing this kind of thing.
Rock on….
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
Yes Otis it's odd that they wanted LeBron James.
But the whole LeBron James era is weird. The organization hasn’t looked too good, and James looks even worse. This isn’t about the mistakes the Cavs made; it’s about the mistake James made.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Wow, strong stuff
I might have recommended using a font other than Comic Sans, but I don’t have to power to transfer curses, so what do I know?
by RaboKarabekian on Jul 8, 2010 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Did you try the cat in the aluminum hat trick?
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Thanks for making that open in a new window, good job
Right or wrong, I’d be pissed an upset too and don’t blame the guy.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jul 9, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
There's gold from Carl Landry on Twitter:
The Miami Heat look good on paper, but watch out for the Sacramento Kings this year…… Here we come word!!!
by PurpleLoco on Jul 8, 2010 8:29 PM PDT reply actions 15 recs
Heck yeah
That’s the spirit!
Vlade Divac, the 24 year old [Redacted] center who reported to training camp at 250, 15 pounds more than last season's weight: "We all get heavier as we get older because there's a lot more information in our heads. Our heads weigh more."
Let’s facelift bar!--netetrader20
The thin silver lining
No longer have to see Derek Fisher in a L_ker jersey….that tick/flea
is hopping his way to Miami….
Follow up to the Dan Gilbert open letter
SportsPickle sportspickle
Don’t get too excited, Cleveland. You won’t love Dan Gilbert as much when he’s the owner of the Baltimore Cavaliers.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
Trent Dilfer is going to be involved I feel
@MAD_Marvin
The FairWeather Channel - Sports Comics and Bandwagon Forecast
Not feeling sorry for Cleveland...
They’ll start over…
That’s why the owner can pop off …he knows the team sucks bad enough
that they’ll get plenty of lotto balls, and end up with a pick like Harrison Barnes or Perry Jones….they’ll be fine, relatively speaking.
Harrison Barnes is the cure all they need
he’ll be a stud no doubts
Let us usher in the era of Reke DMC!
No Michael Beasely
Traded to the TWolves
@MAD_Marvin
The FairWeather Channel - Sports Comics and Bandwagon Forecast
Wow, Deja vu
Why does Kahn do this?
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 8, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
disagree
I think this is a very good trade for the T-Wolves. You take on a tremendous talent who is putting up solid per36 numbers and is only 21 or 22 for just about nothing. I’d do it in a heartbeat too. If he pans out, no risk, it’s just a year. Though Kahn should stop stockpiling assets at some point and try to make a “team”.
he got the former #2 for free
But what the hell is the plan up there? Why make it that easy for the Heat to unload him?
Well this should be fun to watch for the next few years.
I’ll be shocked if they ever win multiple titles (won’t be shocked if one happens) and what not. LeBron just showed he’s a follower not a leader. But, that should have been obvious by now.
Well at least LeBron won’t be cheered in MSG for scoring 50 again. That was retarded the first time around.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
LeBron just showed he’s a follower not a leader. But, that should have been obvious by now.
Agreed, he exposed himself as more Scottie Pippen/Kevin McHale than Michael Jordan tonight.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
Yeah he was never going to be Michael Jordan anyway.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I don't think it matters
If Lebron is going to be “The Man”. He’s showing the bottom line is winning titles and to him, Miami is the best chance at it.
@MAD_Marvin
The FairWeather Channel - Sports Comics and Bandwagon Forecast
by Hit4TheCycle on Jul 8, 2010 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Title more likely in Chicago.
Better supporting cast, cuz they have one. Legit forwards and point guard, young too. He can BS all he wants, Miami wasn’t picked for immediate titles.
he could have been magic johnson
but he didn’t want to wait for his kareem – even if they win a title or three in miami, lbj’s legacy will never match that of mj or the rapist.
he could have gone down as an iconic hero, now he’s the brett favre of the nba dressed up as dwyane wade’s valet – the world’s best-marketed point forward. “if you can’t beat em join em” is hardly the motto of a dominant badass.
hey, he had the right to do whatever he wanted – and everyone has the right to rip him for it too
by lchristmas on Jul 8, 2010 9:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Yup
Everyone has the right to rip him for it. He’s no Golden Boy or true franchise player.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Wtf................seriously?
He’s no…true franchise player.
wow, ur hatred for lebron blocks all common sense.
Let us usher in the era of Reke DMC!
Agreed
Dislike him or his actions all you want, but claiming LBJ ist a franchise players is moronic.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Jul 8, 2010 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
hey, he had the right to do whatever he wanted – and everyone has the right to rip him for it too
Yes—particularly when he’s been globally marketed as Cleveland’s favorite son, the Second Coming, the Chosen One, and the King.
LBJ embraced all of these ludicrous ad campaigns and monikers, and he was supposed to fulfill his destiny by bringing a title to Cleveland.
Going to Miami was a “good” decision in that it puts him on a faster track to win a championship, but he’s no longer a king. He’s more like a duke…or a viscount.
"I feel ten feet tall right now...and strong as an ox!"
I've always said from the time they were drafted
that Wade was more Jordan-esque than Bron.
by VenomySnicket on Jul 8, 2010 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Why would we assume that this will even end up being a good idea?
I’m not even convinced that this will work well.
This is a WHOLE LOT OF EGO to manage.
LeBron Wade just willingly became Scotty Pippen. NO WAY he takes the crunch time shots. Dwayne Wade handles that role a whole lot better than does.
When the bulk of this country start referring to LeBron as “the bitch” he is, we’ll see how well he deals with it. He just definitively decided to take the spotlight off of himself. Talk about playing it safe and running for cover.
Talk about playing it safe and running for cover.
Yeah I’ve always thought about winning titles was being daring and doing something risky that could end up failing. That’s part of what makes it so important to succeed. LeBron isn’t going that route at all.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
John Krolik says it better than I can
Obviously, that wasn’t what happened, and all of a sudden there was no getting around the truth: LeBron James had failed. He had all the tools to win a championship at his disposal, and he ended up failing miserably. LeBron James was supposed to be the next golden boy of the NBA. He will never be that player, and that would have been true regardless of what team LeBron decided to go to. LeBron James, Golden Boy died the moment LeBron lost to the Celtics in this year’s playoffs. The decision LeBron made on Thursday night was nothing more than LeBron’s acknowledgement of that reality.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 8, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with Krolik in that the whole King or golden boy thing is over
But at the same time I just never gave a shit about his image.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I think most of the negative stuff you guys are saying about LeBron is crap
Not a winner…a follower///all worthless crap in my mind. I has thoughts about the pairing of the 3 until I realized both James and Wade or unselfish players and willing passers, even when their team mates are below standsard. I think that attribute wii making this grouping a success, which can’t be measured in regular season wins , but only in championships.
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
This is exactly why I wouldn't want LeBron on my team
I wouldn’t want no “superstar” who has to join 2 other “superstars” to get it done.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I don't think I can disagree anymore
“superstar” who has to join 2 other “superstars” to get it done
How about a superstar that is willing to share the spotlight in order to win. That’s the real goal right, winning? Not how you win, or if you do it alone. Just winning. That seems like the less selfish thing to me.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Jul 8, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Superstar" is one thing
“All-time great” is another. Now, LeBron can never be considered among MJ, Kareem, Bird, and the like.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 8, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Who knows if he even wants that?
All I’ve heard is he wants to win.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
That seems a far cry from "The Chosen One".
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 8, 2010 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't even know what that means....?
Chosen one to play basketball?
Chosen one to Win a championship?
Chosen one to be compared to Kareem, Bird, MJ?
So I looked it up. Maybe he meant to become a wrestler.
“The Chosen One” refers to both Drew McIntyre (after having been signed by Vince McMahon) & Jeff Jarrett (proclaimed himself the “Chosen One” of WCW)
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
LeBron has been "The Chosen One" since he's been in the NBA
To me, that’s meant the one to be the heir to MJ, but apparently now that just means he’s the one to throw in the inbounds pass to Wade for the game-winning shot in the finals for the next few years.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 9, 2010 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I am honestly not sure how the whole team dynamic is going to work out but I just don't care about him being the "Chosen One."
Hey I get it. Lebron had an opportunity to be the next Jordan and I personally think he will never be Michael nomatter what now. It just won’t happen. He is just going to have to settle for aiming to be a historically great NBA Hall of Famer. He gave up the MJ dream with this move, I just don’t care. I never thought he would be MJ.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 9, 2010 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree about the next MJ point.
I just think LeBron quit trying to be the man. It’s too much work and he wants other things than basketball.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And why does he have to be the Next MJ to everybody? Because that is what the Nike ads portray him as?
I could care less if Lebron just wants to be one of the guys and be a global icon on the side. I always thought he was fake from the beginning so it just never really concerned me whether he was able to reach the heights of MJ in this sport.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 9, 2010 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Agree with that.
I dont think he wanted to become the MJ.. He obviously didnt care that much about being the man. Otherwise he would have stayed.
I thought that this was going to make my point stronger, but I scrolled up and realized I didnt even know what the original disagreement was about.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
Well I guess he wanted to be the next MJ in the whole "global icon" sense but that is about it.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 9, 2010 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Yea I guess
But Im with you, Let him decide whatever he wants to do, Who cares about comparing him to the greats. Especially right now.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
In terms of hype LeBron will get that.
But in terms of greatness? Not even comparable. Shouldn’t even bother to compare him to Jordan. It’s embarrassing that you would do so IMO.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
mj and the rapist were/are "willing passers" also
but when its nutcutting time they demand the fricking ball and make the shot.
but if lebron wants to be d wade’s lamar odom, good for him – this “king” and “chosen” shit is over
by lchristmas on Jul 8, 2010 9:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
That's the reason that the "too many egos will ruin it" argument doesn't apply IMO
I has thoughts about the pairing of the 3 until I realized both James and Wade or unselfish players and willing passers,
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Whatever, I'm hoping they fail, somehow
This “rich get richer” bullshit really pisses me off.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 8, 2010 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
No superstar is that unselfish or willing to pass.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I think they can play together fine.
Their three stars on the team.
Their all going to get their points. Their going to get their assists.
I think the “Superstars are too selfish, and always need to get theirs” is a bit crazy.
It depends on the person, what they’ve experienced and what they want out of situations.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
You mean like Magic Johnson?
The fun thing about this debate is that we will get an answer to the question soon enough.
I think it might be difficult to win a title in year 1, but after that it’s going to take an injury to Wade or James to keep the trophy out of their hands.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Except that Magic was the Finals MVP as a rookie.
Magic was the anti-James.
Look at Magic’s Game 6 performance in the clinching title game in 1980:
42 points
15 rebounds
7 assists
He played every position in that game. All this as a 20 year old rookie. Magic was 100x the stud that LeWanda Wade is.
Was Magic selfish or unwilling to pass?
That was the point of my response.
I’d say Magic was a better player than Wade, but not to the extent you are stating.
And that’s nice to demean Wade with a girl’s name. Back to square one, eh?
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
If the aren't unselfish why are they willing to take less $ and share the spotlight?
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Jul 8, 2010 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Do I care where he went? No...
I feel for bad for the real Cleveland fans. Its a shitty blow.
I wonder what made LeBron choose Miami. He say’s “Winning”. Some will state that Chicago was a better “fit” , but I think Miami with Wade and Bosh is just as good as Rose, Booz, Noah. Yea Miami doesn’t have a full roster yet, and they need to round out that roster to see where they stand. I actually hope it works out for them. They want to be champions, they’re sacrificing the money to play together in the hope that doing so gives them a greater chance. Let em play. I think it will be fun to watch.
One thing that sticks out to me. After Boston knocked off the Cavs this year, KG was asked if / where LeBron will go. He said that, if he had known what he knew now, that he might have had a different career. I wonder if things like that caught LeBrons attention.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
absolutely must have
when KG tells you that he wishes he left Minnesota earlier, and LeBron is seeing a similar career arc, it must have rung loudly in his ears
Let us usher in the era of Reke DMC!
that is why I dont blame him for leaving
but joining Miami is admitting that you aren’t willing to try to do it under your own name. Hence why he is no ‘King James’
by VenomySnicket on Jul 8, 2010 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Bummer for Cleveland
That is one star-crossed sports town.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Maybe the Cavs will move to Seattle and we won't have to worry about the Kings moving there!
Silver lining!!!
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Jul 8, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
The way I see it, the big 3 in Miami means no more titles for Kobe and LA while the Kings build back into a contender. That’s about as good as it gets IMO.
We just traded who for who?!
I was counting on any more immediate titles from LA. Bynum’s knee looks completely shot and Kobe looks like he lost a notch.
We'll see on Bynum
But you know this is only going to motivate Kobe.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
I will never write Kobe off. Never.
I don’t care if he’s 63yo and is in dire need of a heart transplant. I would still think he’d be able to lace ’em up and drop 25 in a meaningful game.
I’m going to need a lot more than an unclutch Game 7 before I believe Kobe has “lost a notch.”
"I feel ten feet tall right now...and strong as an ox!"
Huge silver lining that Kings fans can care about
My take away is that the Heat will beat LA.
This is the end of LA as the favorite to win the championship. This threesome will dominate LA. Maybe not this year, but then probably every year after that. They are in the Eastern Conference so it will come down to who wins it all at the end, but I don’t see the LA winning as much now.
I can be a simple guy at times and not need much. Just beat LA and I will be happy. And then we take our turn at it.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Exactly my thoughts, as well
My first reaction was…“Nice, Kobe’s not going to win another title again!”
I agree...beat LA and hopefully the Kings have a hated rival for NBA championships in years to come
Random other points:
1. I feel very bad for Cleveland, their fans and mostly their young fans who must idolize Lebron and be devastated about the news.
2. Don’t feel bad for Gilbert, the owner, and think his statement is a bit much for a guy who profited greatly from Lebron for 7 years. If Lebron is so bad, is he giving Lebron $$ back for all the jersey sales and tickets Lebron sold for him.
3. I think part of this is the young superstars – Wade and LB – deciding let’s get our own team to wrestle power away from Celts and unnamed; I think Heat should be a favorite right away, there is enough talent out there to find 5 or 6 more guys to play with them and have them dominate…and I hope they do.
4. I do think it was wrong for Lebron to leave, but if he was going to leave going to Miami for less $$ to win a championship, that is a decision in other situations we would likely applaud. I think most folks thought Pierce, Garnett and Allen were all still great for working together and winning, why shouldn’t these guys get same chance/opportunity.
5. With that said, he should have stayed or gone for the bigger challenge, NY, if he really wants to be seen as the chosen one….but if he dominates and Wade and Bosh defer and they win 5 titles, then he may have made right choice.
Well if they win 4 titles or so over the next 5 years
and then LeBron signs a new contract with the Knicks or Nets or even the Cavs (if they’ll have him), and wins another 2 or 3 as a genuine, sole alpha male, then I think his legacy will still be in tact. People will be mad about this whole Decision junk, but it’ll blow over in 2 or 3 years — similar to Kobe’s rape and running shaq and phil out of town.
Let us usher in the era of Reke DMC!
This is not happening.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Mwahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha
You lose Shizzo. Game over. Do not pass go and do not collect 200$. You lose.
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Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
After all this he will make less than Barry Zito and barely more than Aaron Rowand.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Should we care?
I don’t care about Lebron…the only thing I care about is there hasn’t been any Ailene Voisin in the Bee for over a week.
I don't really care about LeBron himself or him going to Miami.
I kinda wanna see if it will work cuz me thinks it probably won’t.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yea I can see where your coming from
Im not gaurenteing nothing. But neither are they. It comes down to matchups and team chemistry imo. It will still be hard as hell for them to get a chip. I still think 50 plus wins is probable
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
Wow that was terrible.
Sorry forgot to proof read. Guaranteeing.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
I've got to chime in again with the most important part of why this is relevant to the Kings:
Tyreke and DeMarcus. They will have a chance to leave the organization, but maybe after seeing the venom that is now being forced at LeBron, they might be a little more considerate of the team that drafted them (especially since they both slid a bit).
We can help by continuing to be terrific fans and filling the arena. Tyreke and DeMarcus WILL leave if we keep showing up at 12k fans a night. They WILL leave if they aren’t recognized around town, and they feel like they aren’t supported. And, they WILL leave if the organization does not support them with the talent they need to win.
That all said, I don’t think either player has quite the ego LeBron does, and Tyreke and Boogie both seem like the type to welcome challenges instead of run away from them.
When there is a decision to be made (I realize that is years from now), hopefully our guys can look back at today and think: “You know, I don’t want to be like LeBron. I want the challenge of building a legacy, I want to win a championship. I don’t need these other guys to win it for me.”
This all being said, I feel for Cleveland. They thought they had the next Jordan, they thought the Cavaliers would continue to be recognized (a la Bulls). The way LeBron left was unfair to the 7 years of dedication those fans gave him. They cried after game 5 in Orlando. They wept after game 6 in Boston. They shared that same glimmer of hope against San Antonio in 2007. But here’s the thing about being a fan:
We can’t leave.
We can’t abandon the years of attention we have given our team, we can’t abandon the growth, we can’t abandon our love for all the players. We don’t have a player option. The other thing about being a fan? We can build legacies by ourselves.
I don’t blame LeBron for leaving. He wanted a Chris Paul, they gave him a Mo Williams. He wanted a Chris Bosh, they gave him an Antawn Jamison. He wanted a Dwight Howard, they gave him a coupon Shaq.
The WAY he left was disgraceful to the sport. And luckily, a good example of what NOT to do for our young, true Kings.
I love Dwayne Wade. I like Chris Bosh. They were a championship threat by themselves (and a great fit together). They didn’t need LeBron. He needed them.
by VenomySnicket on Jul 8, 2010 11:49 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I thought about Tyreke and Cousins through all of this, so I am glad that you brought these issues up.
I would like to think that Tyreke and Cousins will both look at how poorly LeBron left his team. Now, I do not blame LeBron for leaving Cleveland, but I do not think much in how he left. Fast forward about six years…how would we feel if Tyreke or Cousins left us in the same manner that LeBron left Cleveland. I think we would feel very hurt and betrayed. How would Petrie feel if Tyreke or Cousins failed to call him. I think Petrie would feel hurt and betrayed.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
"The Decision"
Will be in Marketing/PR textbooks of what not to do. Could Lebron have taken a bigger dump on his brand?
thought that was going to happen
Makes sense.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 8, 2010 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions
The Justice Dept is filing a suit challenging Bosh's right to cross the border into Florida
and they’re looking into Nike, and might file an anti trust suit on the grounds of collusion. And, the govenor of Florida stated that to prove that the state had no part in influencing LeBrons decision to join the Heat, the state will install a 40% income tax on sports figures starting just before the 2010/2011 NBA season.
David Stern was in favor of all three actions. And stated that any player signing with the Knicks would get a life time exclusion from the CBA Max Salary rules.
News at 10.
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by HighTops on Jul 8, 2010 11:58 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
well done Sir!
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 9, 2010 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Why wasn't there an uproar when Garnett went to Boston? Is it just because the Twolves got assets back?
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
KG was traded to Boston
And it was in part a mutual breakup. Not to mention the Wolves really did fail to build a contender around Garnett.
Yea
and cause Lebron is WAY more hyped than KG, and because he was from Akron, and because he televised a live special.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
This thread is pretty serious, but can be summed up rather easily.
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Versus
Either you fall under camp A or camp B. Sure feels like there’s no in between.
Let us usher in the era of Reke DMC!
Im confused
Whos camp a and b again?
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
It's a trap!
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 9, 2010 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Haters Unite - LeBron James sucks
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
I thought the M.O. for “Haters gonna hate” was that you weren’t a hater yourself.
If I am correct, its pretty funny that your posting a pro hater subject with an anti-hater pic.
I could be completely wrong though.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
I think you are correct, but I thought this pic was apropos for this situation.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Def not hating on the pic
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
Here I was thinking it was a snake all along..
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
TWSS.
"I feel ten feet tall right now...and strong as an ox!"
by Juan Primo on Jul 9, 2010 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can this be categorized as chaeting?
But yeah, who says they aren’t gonna hinder each others game. I mean Wade and Lebron, both dominate and carry the teams they have been in. Same with Bosh to a degree, but seriously, not all 3 will be able to fire at once. They will probably still be beatable.
It is within the rules, so it is not cheating. Creative, yes. Cheating, no.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Man, things are getting a little irrational out there
I guess that’s somewhat to be expected, but the level of LeBron hate is absurd. Here are my unsolicited thoughts, in chronological order:
1. LeBron quit in the playoffs – I’m sorry, he did. Whether it was his elbow, whether he realized he wasn’t winning with a washed up/choking Antawn Jamison and assorted jokers, whether he wanted out all along…. he didn’t go 110% in the playoffs. He wasn’t the LeBron that scored 57 straight points or whatever it was to single-handedly beat Detroit. He quit. I’m sorry. It was something that Jordan would never have done, but it is absolutely something that Kobe HAS done in the past (remember the game 7 where he didn’t shoot?). So don’t give me this LeBron-is-no-Kobe BS. Short memories in the media.
2. LeBron had every right to go where he wanted to go – Sports loyalty and two dollars can buy you a cup of coffee. Loyalty is conditional in sports and everyone knows it. A player goes down injured? Watch everyone forget about him. A player’s skills decline with age? Watch a fanbase turn on them. Someone doesn’t live up to unrealistic expectations? Watch everyone stomp on him. LeBron was a free agent. He got to decide where he wanted to play. He didn’t owe anyone anything. He gave Cleveland 7 great years. He didn’t owe them more than that.
3. LeBron was idiotic to do the one hour special – It was unseemly, it was a ridiculous spectacle, he didn’t say or do the right things. A simple statement that read: “Winning is the most important thing to me and I think this gives me the best shot at a championship. In fact, winning is so important to me that I’m leaving my home state and am leaving money on the table to build what I hope will be a dynasty in Miami. Thank you to all the fans who supported me over the years, your love means the world to me and I’m sorry to be leaving Cleveland behind. The end” was all that he needed. Save the spectacle for when you win something.
4. Dan Gilbert showed his true colors with that over-the-top statement – Kyle Lowry said it better than I could have on Twitter: "That’s crazy how you see people real side when things dnt go their way!!!! Wow!!!!!! "
5. Winning matters – While LeBron was dumb in the short term with how he handled this, he was savvy in the long term. Let’s face it: every great player had a great sidekick, sometimes two or three. Pippen was one of the greatest players ever even without Jordan. Kobe/Shaq, Bird/McHale, Magic/Kareem…. you need two superstars for a dynasty. People wanted LeBron to somehow defy the laws of the NBA and win a championship without a star beside him? No matter how good a player is, that’s completely unreasonable. Playing alongside Wade and Bosh doesn’t diminish his greatness no more than Pippen diminished Jordan’s greatness. All this talk of James proving he’s a follower is total BS. Real leaders put aside their egos to do the right thing for the team. But LeBron is going to have to prove it on the court. At the end of the day, the ends justify the means.
by nbrans on Jul 9, 2010 9:06 AM PDT reply actions 14 recs
Good stuff.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 9, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't disagree with you on any of your points; however, I think the current backlash toward LeBron comes from how he handled the PR during his free-agency.
3. LeBron was idiotic to do the one hour special – It was unseemly, it was a ridiculous spectacle, he didn’t say or do the right things. A simple statement that read: "Winning is the most important thing to me and I think this gives me the best shot at a championship. In fact, winning is so important to me that I’m leaving my home state and am leaving money on the table to build what I hope will be a dynasty in Miami. Thank you to all the fans who supported me over the years, your love means the world to me and I’m sorry to be leaving Cleveland behind. The end" was all that he needed. Save the spectacle for when you win something.
Had LeBron handled the special with this statement, the backlash would not have been so great. However, I think it would have been far better for him not to have had that special at all. He wanted it, he got it, now he has to accept the consequences that come from it.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
I agree with that completely
I meant that he should have just released the statement and not had the special at all.
oh
I showed your statement to a friend of mine, who’s a Lakers fan, and he said that you’re a douche.
I laughed at him and told him it was true. Man, Laker fans are sensitive.
You're doing God's work
Please, for the love of god - someone take the gas can out of Dan Gilbert's hand!
"I feel ten feet tall right now...and strong as an ox!"
by Juan Primo on Jul 9, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
I really wish he would stop punishing them with championships. Any time now God.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 9, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, God is punishing the churches that think they are speaking for him by allowing the [Redacted] to win.
Stupid pasters thinking that they speak for God.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 9, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess this answers my Durant question up above.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Number 5 on your list is interesting to me
I agree, I don’t personally think it diminishes much in my view but I also get the feeling that when we talk about sports we often turn these guys into almost mythical stories. Lebron will now never have his whole “home town kid bringing the championship home” story and I think in a lot of people’s eyes this somehow taints his “Chosen One” slogan thing or whatever.
That being said though, I personally don’t really care and I too feel like this isn’t exactly new territory. Pippen, Kobe, and McHale will always be remembered as greats. Will this possibly prevent us from looking at Lebron as being MJ? I dunno, I never even thought of him being anything like MJ in the first place.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
5. Winning matters – While LeBron was dumb in the short term with how he handled this, he was savvy in the long term. Let’s face it: every great player had a great sidekick, sometimes two or three. Pippen was one of the greatest players ever even without Jordan. Kobe/Shaq, Bird/McHale, Magic/Kareem…. you need two superstars for a dynasty. People wanted LeBron to somehow defy the laws of the NBA and win a championship without a star beside him? No matter how good a player is, that’s completely unreasonable. Playing alongside Wade and Bosh doesn’t diminish his greatness no more than Pippen diminished Jordan’s greatness. All this talk of James proving he’s a follower is total BS. Real leaders put aside their egos to do the right thing for the team. But LeBron is going to have to prove it on the court. At the end of the day, the ends justify the means.
Well, LBJ certainly didn’t become more of a leader by moving to Cleveland. Did he become more of a “follower” than he was before, though? Yes, because he won’t be the undisputed leader of the Heat. The Miami Heat is Dwyane Wade’s team.
Branding LBJ as merely being a “follower” is a bit reductive and a bit too derisive for my taste, though. It’s enough for me to say that he’s not the “King” and he’s not the “Chosen One.” Those monikers seemed unrealistic and overly optimistic at first (like Wally said), but now they’re just laughable.
"I feel ten feet tall right now...and strong as an ox!"
green
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Jul 9, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
You misspelled Greene
;-p
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 9, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Agree with your points and even though I feel for the fans of Cleveland
I hope Gilbert never wins a damn thing. What a statement and how short sighted is it. How in the world will any free agent or top player want to go there now that they see how Gilbert acts. Bow to me or else…..Nba players are a small fraternity, while some may rightfully disagree with Lebron’s handling of matters, all will agree that they have a right to go to any team they want and cursing a player for leaving a team is moronic. Also, since Gilbert now says that Lebron is not the chosen one or King, is he going to give back all the $$ he made off of Lebron for 7 years, or the shirts he sold at his stadium saying those things….Again feel bad for Cleveland fans, but not Gilbert and hope Lebron, Wade and Bosh do well and get some credit for putting egos and $$ aside to win now.
who's off to the miami boards now?
"And Solskjaer has won it!"
by 'tough as nails' spence on Jul 9, 2010 10:11 AM PDT reply actions
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 9, 2010 11:52 AM PDT reply actions 6 recs
Nice.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Jul 9, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Hahaha Wally
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This is David Stern's NBA
He will do a cost-benefit analysis, as long as there is no heat from investigations into his refs, and if the new Heat winning will sell more than the Lakers bandwagon fans will factor in, Miami will get the trophies.
Totally logical
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
Only in this thread can this not be the stupidest thing ever said
Let us usher in the era of Reke DMC!
Not going to lie
I liked this thread
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Jul 9, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
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