New Policy: No More Ailene
Our friend betweentheeyes had a fine suggestion in yesterday's "take the keys away!" thread discussing Ailene Voisin's latest hackjob: eliminate Ailene from Sactown Royalty. Make this a no-Ailene zone.
Over the past few years, commenters have at times requested we stop talking about Ailene or Grant Napear, and I've ignored those calls. Those two characters are important facets of Sacramento Kings culture, especially locally. But bte is right -- Voisin doesn't deserve our attention. She's a hack who can sometimes be good but more often plays for effect and seeks to further her agenda. It's funny, she has a pretty bad batting record at this point -- no Bill Laimbeer, Larry Brown or even Avery Johnson, no Ricky Rubio. But she tries behind the scenes to play a role in the macro operation of the Kings. Multiple sources tell me she's leaned on Colleen "Mama" Maloof to force or encourage the Bros to do certain things with the team; one person close to the team told me she announced in the presence of Geoff Petrie just before the 2009 NBA Draft that if he didn't take Rubio, she'd never let him live it down. Remember the DeMarcus Cousins tummy incident? A source says she did indeed ask to see Cousins' bare stomach in a one-on-one interview. Boogie's agent was reportedly furious afterward.
She's unprofessional behind the scenes, and her work is increasingly vapid, contrary-for-contrary's-sake and misguided. We don't need any of that. With Jason Jones in the saddle for The Bee, and Sam Amick occassionally covering the Kings for FanHouse, and Zach Harper of Cowbell Kingdom and our very own Aykis likely to cover the team live parts of next season, and increased national attention, with all that we don't have a need or time for Voisin's bile.
So this is officially a No Ailene Zone. I won't link to, quote or reference Voisin's work on the front page. You won't discuss it. No FanShots or FanPosts. I'll settle any future scores via comment on SacBee.com or letter to the editor. (rbiegler and I sent in a letter regarding the wonderfully stupid Kayte Christensen column, and the good people at The Bee printed it.)
Sactown Royalty will be a better place for this.
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Oh wait, one last Voisin note. Doc Evans, brother of Tyreke Evans, you have the final word:
Ailene Voisin is the worst writer I've ever read! I think she's bitter cause the Kings didn't draft Rubio! Thank God she's not the GM!
This the final Voisin thread. Please don't be mean to her. Again, she really doesn't deserve the attention.
UPDATE: There are some compelling points in this thread, so a modification of the nascent policy: feel free to FanShot Voisin's column and discuss there, or write a FanPost that involves one of her columns. I'm not going to police the FanPosts and FanShots for this -- that is pretty silly. Just don't expect to see it land on the front page, unless there is a true compelling reason for it be there.
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I like this policy.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Aug 2, 2010 4:46 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
One other thing that I've forgotten about since yesterday
I was complaining to Doc on twitter about the treatment of Tyreke. He mentioned that Tyreke isn’t even driving himself right now because he can’t. If that doesn’t show responsibility, if not on Tyreke’s part, than at least on Team Tyreke’s part.
Yeah, this kid is going to kill the franchise. I’m so glad I jumped on the wagon the day after he was drafted. I’d feel a lot worse today if I hadn’t.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Aug 2, 2010 5:02 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sounds right.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
just read the truehoop excerpt and thought it sounded ridiculous. Came over here and felt gratified that I am not alone in figuring she hasn’t got a handle on things.
Sacbee comments were giving her a flogging too.
"When you go in for a job interview, I think a good thing to ask is if they ever press charges."
I love the policy :)
I seriously hate reading her articles, boycotting will only help get rid of her(hopefully).
One thing I don't get because I don't live in Sacramento is
the fact that Voisin receives so much attention. What I mean is that Sacramento is a city of half a million people. I know it’s considered a relatively small market in the USA, but we’re talking about half a million people. Here in Athens the population is around 700k (1 mil with the suburbs) and we have more than 20-25 newspapers. 10 of them (maybe more) are purely about sports. The sportswriters are like 1 every 5 people you meet everyday (ok I’m exaggerating but there are A LOT). Why does Ailene have this kind of monopoly on the Kings? Is the Bee the only paper in town?
Just a Kings fan outside US wondering.
The Bee is the only paper in Sac.
There have been other papers in Sac, but the Union went out of business in 1994. So essentially it is a monopoly. The problem is that the Bee has lost quality writers over the years, but not Ailene Voisin. If you’ve read her columns for a long time, you would roll your eyes at her too.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I see
Yes I’ve been reading Bee’s sports columns online the past few years but it was more a source of information for me. Only since I found StR I really understood what’s going on. Obviously that lady has some good networking going on and that’s the reason she stays there. It’s a pity, but at least we got StR, and I don’t think a Kings fan needs anything else. The only disadvantage is it’s “unofficial”, meaning that it’s probably hard for TZ to arrange an interview with Tyreke or the Maloofs.
But then again, the more free of those professional relationships the blog remains, the more free it is to criticize anyone.
No Ailene Voisin stays at the Bee because she's tenured and the Bee can't fire her.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Seriously?
there’s Tenure at a private company? wow!!!
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Aug 2, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow that
suuuuuuuuuucks
If I was in a room with Bin Laden, Hitler, and Robert Horry and I had a gun with two bullets...I'd shoot Robert Horry twice
It's one of the way unions don't work.
It’s rare that unions hold a business back, but it’s not just the paper unions that are holding the paper business back. It’s the paper business that’s holding itself back.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Tenure is a joke no matter where it is.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Aug 2, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I was wondering about that.
So, we are stuck with her.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Yep.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
They could send her to the Scene section or Travel like they did with RE and Marcos.
Hopefully she would quit but they already have set a precedence. One can wish.
The world is not your Trade Machine.
-Ziller
Here's what's scary JJ
Imagine someone worse.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, please...Aykis would never work at the Bee.
I kid, I kid!
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
by PhutureKings on Aug 3, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
If you count SN&R as a paper, then there are 2 papers in Sac
but SN&R doesn’t cover sports… and it barely covers the news. It’s mainly to see upcoming events, or places to eat, etc, but I would still consider it much better than The Bee as a newspaper, I just don’t know if it’s really considered one.
Darko Milicec passes just as well as Vlade Divac... Vlade would be the first to tell you that
by prowseinthehouse on Aug 2, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I can't believe I forgot about those!
Darko Milicec passes just as well as Vlade Divac... Vlade would be the first to tell you that
by prowseinthehouse on Aug 2, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
and most recently marijuana dispensary ads.
"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." - Cardinal Richelieu
There is the Sacramento Press..
Which is 100% online, but it’s format is trying to provide an alternative to the Bee.
It's obvious...
It’s obvious that STR is the largest and most influential media site for the Kings. Nice move, Ziller. This will all but guarantee that Sacbee Kings coverage spirals down the down in to complete obscurity.
I agree with this statement
If STR hadn’t done the expose’ on her anti-Tyreke article, I doubt the Rise Guys would have talked about it so much this morning.
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Aug 2, 2010 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s obvious that STR is the largest and most influential media site for the Kings.
From a fan perspective yes. From a media perspective, that’s still the Bee. More fans read the Bee daily than read StR. Until it’s the other way around, you can’t claim one has more influence than the other.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Off to the memory hole

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
by andy sims on Aug 2, 2010 6:25 AM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Great policy
I will have to find some other source in order to get green comments.
by mayfieldcol on Aug 2, 2010 6:29 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm not convinced
We like to rant against stuff here at StR. At least, I do. You’re taking away an easy target.
So I guess now all the focus will shift to Napear. Is that desirable?
You heard about the soccer game where a bunch of people heckled the opposing coach? One of the opposing fans told them to lay off. “But he’s an asshole,” a guy called. “Yes, he is,” the defending fan replied, “but he is our asshole!”
Dunking Dutchman
Voisin is not "our" crappy writer
she is just an abomination that The Bee tries to force feed us.
Darko Milicec passes just as well as Vlade Divac... Vlade would be the first to tell you that
by prowseinthehouse on Aug 2, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown!
Though today, thine worries have gone down.
Uneasy lies the hand that holds a pen.
Or the fingers on a keyboard, numbering ten.
Oh, Aileen, for this reason
You should write for the Lakers next season.
by V. Money on Aug 2, 2010 7:08 AM PDT reply actions 5 recs
I like this policy so much better than

by betweentheeyes on Aug 2, 2010 7:09 AM PDT reply actions 9 recs
I love the part....
when the second eye falls out but is still attached by the optic nerve so it bounces off his head like a paddle ball game until it detaches and flies over his shoulder.
The world is not your Trade Machine.
-Ziller
I don't know what made me laugh harder:
the gif or your super-detailed description of the second eyeball coming out
#vfettkefordraft
This is how I imagine Voisin writes an article.
Or the guys at Bleacher Report.
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by Aykis16 on Aug 2, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well it certainly explains her resemblance to Howard Stern
"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." - Cardinal Richelieu
I like this
Our discussion of her articles and linking to them increases her page views. Taking away StR as a source of page views is something The Bee should actually notice.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
by Exhibit G on Aug 2, 2010 7:17 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Wow. I actually feel sorry for her.
Damn you, you made me feel sorry for HHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRR!
There can only be one Noce!
It's like a beam of light just hit me in the face and angels started to sing!
THANKS TZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND

"I have talent that's there, but I just have the mentality right now that I just want to be the greatest. And I don't think that any other player has that right now." -DeMarcus Cousins
by Noble_Bloodlines on Aug 2, 2010 7:27 AM PDT reply actions
And now, a word from Dexy's Midnight Runners
Good-bye Aileen, no more making me scream.
At this moment, it must be a dream.
We’re purged of your mess, my thoughts I confess
Verge on giddy, ah good-bye Aileen.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on Aug 2, 2010 7:36 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Tomorrow: The No Exhibit G policy.
Author of the Pick and Scroll. Follow me on Twitter here.
by Aykis16 on Aug 2, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
1984
What’s next, the Thought Police? Your edict is wholly regrettable. Ailene has her quirks, but I think censorship of any form is bad.
Stay Thirsty My Friends
WONK
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Function - Noun
Definition - A person preoccuped with arcane details or procedures in a specialized field; broadly, NERD; especially someone young who focuses on one topic or subject to the near exclusion of all other topics.
by Natomaser on Aug 2, 2010 7:38 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
How is this cencorship?
She’s still at the Bee for anyone to read at their discretion. It’s www.sacbee.com.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
sink or ship?
"DeMarcus pounds, like the hammer. Tyreke slashes, like the sickle.
For the good of the proletariat!" - tomroadrunner
It's censorship if, say, someone on this sites writes about a Voison article, and the site-member's post is deleted for it.
Members of this site should be able to talk about anything Kings-related. To deny that is censorship of it’s members.
I don't think that's realistic to go around deleting peoples' posts, and I doubt that's what's going to happen.
But that’s the way it came across in this post, so maybe it should be cleared up. Otherwise, Ziller should have said simply “I’m not going to talk about Aileen anymore,” and omit anything about fanshots/fanposts.
Ask and ye shall receive
From Ziller via post update:
UPDATE: There are some compelling points in this thread, so a modification of the nascent policy: feel free to FanShot Voisin’s column and discuss there, or write a FanPost that involves one of her columns. I’m not going to police the FanPosts and FanShots for this — that is pretty silly. Just don’t expect to see it land on the front page, unless there is a true compelling reason for it be there.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on Aug 2, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
halleluja!
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Aug 2, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Very happy to hear this. Rec'd
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
It's self-censorship
I’m just not spending time on it any more.
by Tom Ziller on Aug 2, 2010 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You are the editor of this blog, so as such, you can decide what to delete.
I have the highest regard for your articles, but I question the wisdom of your decision to censor commentary from the membership on the work of a local sports newspaper columnist. This is so surprising coming from a writer, such as yourself, where the freedom to express ideas is paramount.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
It isn't censorship.
See nbrans comment below. It’s a boycott.
She can still say whatever she wants. People can still read her. They just can’t bring it over here.
StR Token Female
by LeaguePassAddict on Aug 2, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I read his comment.
This is not about censorship of Aileen. This is about censorship of your ideas and mine.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
It's not censorship
Censorship is a repressive way to prevent the spreading of information. Ziller’s protecting us from Voison’s garbage.
One a serious note, it’s Ziller’s site. His site. His rules. Period. Freedom of speech does not apply in a private setting, even if they do provide a medium to give your own opinions and commentary. If everyone should get to post whatever they want here we’d have no FanPosts/Shots being deleted for being completely asinine or garbage. Xinyue would not be banned for peddling his wares. Chapu4U would have been set free!
#vfettkefordraft
by vfettke on Aug 2, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree.
Censorship is a repressive way to prevent the spreading of information.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
P.S. I am not interested in someone else "protecting" me from someone else's ideas.
I have a mind of my own and would rather do my own thinking.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Way to miss the joke
also, censorship is usually performed by government to repress its citizens. In a private entity, that you can leave at any time, it’s not censorship. No one’s forcing you to stay here. You can go to another Kings site and comment there. It’s not quite as easy when its the government censoring its citizens. Going to a whole new country isn’t the simplest thing in the world.
If you don’t like Kim Jong-Ziller’s rules, you’re more than welcome to leave.
#vfettkefordraft
by vfettke on Aug 2, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is the textbook definition of censorship
You are drawing it out to a first amendment issue – but whether you like it or not, an “official” site boycott of linking to or discussing Voison’s articles is indeed censorship.
At the same time, TZ should and does dictate the terms with which we interact on this site, and I have no problem with that. I can either abide by the rules, or I can take my business elsewhere.
So, although I think this is kind of a dumb thing to do, it doesn’t bother me to the point that I would start hanging out at a different Kings site.
Ok, you're right.
Technically it’s censorship, and I am frawing it out as a “first amendment issue.1” But, Slam_Dunk is doing the same. The difference is, I don’t care about being “censored”, because it’s not my site. Posting here is a privilege not a right. Granted, the privilege can be given to just about anyone (see 214, section). But banning Ailene talk isn’t some totalitarian dictator’s way of stopping people from thinking for themselves, it’s just getting rid of a constant annoyance. It’s like calling the pest control guy. You don’t want him to kill all of the creepy crawley little bastards, just the ones that are in your house.
#vfettkefordraft
by vfettke on Aug 2, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I am expressing my ideas, which happen to differ from yours.
I didn’t know that we are not allowed to have differing views on this site.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
It is censorship
Just like not being able to create posts about religion or politics on here is censorship also. A limited amount of censorship in a place like this allows the site to continue with its fostered culture. This is a private site, and if I didn’t like the censorship here, I would go elsewhere. I don’t use apple products for this reason.
That said, I would prefer that the censorship be limited to articles on the front page, and that Aileen articles can still be discussed in the sidebar, as users see fit to share them.
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Aug 2, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I can agree with this.
This is a blog that basically covers all things related to the Sacramento Kings. I don’t think anyone is upset that religion and politics are not allowed here, as this site is sports blog.
However, discussion of Aileen Voison comes under the Sacramento Kings and basketball sports umbrella because of her prominent place in reporting sports, especially anything related to the Kings, in the Sacramento Bee. Like it or not, she has an influence on the community and at times, even garnering some national attention.
To close off all discussion of her on this site is a strong position for Ziller, as editor. I can see where he may choose not to write about her anymore, but to keep his readership from writing about her is censorship (repression) of our ideas, in my view.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
That's something you will pick up on over time
But, like some folks have said, you either stick around to face the music or take your ball elsewhere. Nobody is forcing anyone to post here or like the rules or comments. Like most other things you engage in, it’s an imperfect place.
That said, this is a stupid rule, is in fact censorship and won’t do a thing to stop folks from commenting on Voisin here if they really want to.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
You can go comment on her stuff at sacbee.
This really isn’t a big deal.
StR Token Female
by LeaguePassAddict on Aug 2, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It may not be a big deal to you.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
It's really not.
I was running out of pithy insults about her lack of writing skills anyway.
StR Token Female
by LeaguePassAddict on Aug 2, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am more concerned with discussing someone's ideas than their grammar.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Riiight.
I never talked about her grammar.
Just her sexist, contrived, hackneyed columns.
StR Token Female
by LeaguePassAddict on Aug 2, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Then no problem for you.
You won’t have to concern yourself with those issues anymore.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
You can always add a quality Voisin quote as your sig in protest.
It may take a while to find one but you could represent your displeasure in that way.
Slam_Dunk, I really like having you here on StR but it is obvious that although Ziller has put this in Policy form, it is something that the majority agrees with and although Tom is the “owner” of this site, we have always been a self policing community. The only way to hurt Voisin and the Bee for employing her is to ignore her. As a reporter, she is piss poor and brings very little to the table. As a media member, she has the ability to sway public opinion on a player under false pretenses and conjecture which may prove to be very costly in the future. Evans is our star, at least until he isn’t. I don’t want some second rate hack with very little integrity running a player out of town out of spite because she is one of only two “newspaper reporters” in the entire area. By default, Voisin has power. Strangely enough, this community is probably #2 in “reporting power” to the Bee in this market and this banning seems like a perfectly fair way to lessen Voisins voice. She is writing trash to increase hits on her pages. To reward that would be short sided.
The world is not your Trade Machine.
-Ziller
by jjham15 on Aug 2, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Fantastic summary
Well stated summary of this
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Aug 2, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I appreciate that you like having me here on StR.
That said, you should also realize that I am not afraid to express my ideas. I disagree with your premise, entirely. I am of the stance that the “Pen is mightier than the sword.” Ziller has taken our pen away on StR. I do not agree that silence is the best way to express your ideas. This is not about lessening Aileen’s voice, I am concerned with lessening “our” voice.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Indeed
the best way to point out that she’s full of it, is to point out that she’s full of it. Here. On this blog.
the best way
to point out that she’s full of it is commenting on the SACBEE website, or write the editor. Not complain about it on a site she has nothing to do with.
We're not complaining here
I’d say more than that. I’ve enjoyed our discussions of her articles here… haven’t you? And have you read the Sacbee forums? Maybe that’s fine for “complaining,” but I think the substantive debates and discussions we’ve had here are more than worthwhile.
With every post here linking Aileen
Comes a bunch of hits on her articles on the Bee website. The Bee, as a company probably pays a lot more attention to the hits on their site because that means ad dollars, than it does to our criticisms of Aileen on this site.
So in essence, TZ’s choice to not link to Aileens “articles” means less business for the Bee, hitting them where it hurts. The Bee is sinking and they’ll take all the hits they can get right now even at the expense of unbias, objective writing.
I understand the point
but I think we’re getting a little full of ourselves if we think a boycott here is really going to force the Bee to dump Voison (although it’s clear they’ve Aileen-ated a lot of their readers).
I’ll chalk my vote to not supporting this. I understand that Ziller would rather spend his energies elsewhere. But while I won’t miss reading Voison’s work here, I did enjoy the discussion.
by LPKingsFan on Aug 2, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for
Aileen-ated.
.
Kings - 2011/2012 Champions
by SkylineFanatic on Aug 2, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
People really don't understand what the First Amendment means at all.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
I don't believe in ammendments: the constitution was fine the first time!
"DeMarcus pounds, like the hammer. Tyreke slashes, like the sickle.
For the good of the proletariat!" - tomroadrunner
Spoken like a white landowner.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
by andy sims on Aug 2, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Yeah! Well, you're a suffragette!
"DeMarcus pounds, like the hammer. Tyreke slashes, like the sickle.
For the good of the proletariat!" - tomroadrunner
No it wasn't
that’s kind of why they allowed for amendments. And because of that whole “compromise so the South can keep their slaves and count them as voters” thing.
#vfettkefordraft
I am sorry you thought I was serious.
You must know some real stupid people.
"DeMarcus pounds, like the hammer. Tyreke slashes, like the sickle.
For the good of the proletariat!" - tomroadrunner
Last I checked this site belongs to Ziller
and what he says goes, since it’s his. Luckily, his rules are pretty loose and allow us to talk about and say pretty much anything with the exception of the following:
- Politics
- Religion
- Hate speech
- Voison
The world would be a better place if everyone followed those rules.
#vfettkefordraft
Words of a follower.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Exactly
I’m a follower. A sheep.
You’re being petty
#vfettkefordraft
by vfettke on Aug 2, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Baaaaa
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Aug 2, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I want a coat. I'm coming by to shear you.
You’re from the Mo V. You should be used to that by now.
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by chenp22 on Aug 2, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don't get it...
If an official Ailene-Free Zone has to be initiated to keep people from bashing her, then maybe people want to bash her? Most of her writing is garbage and provides no relevant insight at all, and begs for the written bitch-slap responses. However, I find it a little ironic that when she’s actulally provided a little bit of decent writing (the sit-down with the Maloofs most recently) she gets the STR Death Penalty. When the the Kings hit a rough patch and lose 9 of 10, and Ailene recommends the team fire Westphal and hire Arnold Schwarzenegger, there’s going to be a lot of itchy typing fingers out there.
Most of her writing is garbage and provides no relevant insight at all
exactly why Ziller has decided not to waste anymore time on it.
by Dub_TC on Aug 2, 2010 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just the fact that you can already foresee exactly what she is already going to do
proves that there is no more reason to conversate about it. (Yes I made that word up but it works)
Darko Milicec passes just as well as Vlade Divac... Vlade would be the first to tell you that
by prowseinthehouse on Aug 2, 2010 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
We have a natural right to make use of our pens as of our tongue, at our peril, risk and hazard. ~Voltaire, Dictionnaire Philosophique, 1764
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
And...
Books won’t stay banned. They won’t burn. Ideas won’t go to jail. In the long run of history, the censor and the inquisitor have always lost. The only weapon against bad ideas is better ideas. ~Alfred Whitney Griswold, New York Times, 24 February 1959
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
And for now, take away the keys. -Ailene Voisin
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
by Exhibit G on Aug 2, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I would truly love to see the keys taken away from Aileen.
I think this site does a great job of critiquing her articles. I will miss that. I can only hope that Ziller will reconsider his position and modify it.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
You have these rights Slam_Dunk....just not here.
If you don’t think Candide was banned from multiple places, then you are wrong. Voltaire was speaking out against a tyrannical monarchy that was bankrupting his country and starving its population. Ziller is merely enforcing an already overwhelming sentiment by putting it in policy form. I think this is more like the Emancipation Proclamation where an injustice has been righted by edict. Voisin is poisoning the well that we all drink out of. She is running amuck without any form of credibility and the repercussions will be felt here in Sacramento long after her and her soap box (the Bee) have been deemed completely irrelevant and bankrupted. You can’t allow a person with power like this to tarnish the name of your star if you intend on keeping that star in town. It was a f-ing speeding ticket. The courts decide punishment in our country, not some reporter with an agenda. All she is doing is turning the lemmings towards a cliff.
The world is not your Trade Machine.
-Ziller
by jjham15 on Aug 2, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
The Star Protection Program
You can’t allow a person with power like this to tarnish the name of your star if you intend on keeping that star in town.
If Tyreke is going to leave town because of what some columnist writes, it’s probably better we find out that out sooner than later.
So now we have to walk on tippie toe when talking about Tyreke?
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Tyreke is lucky this happened in Sactown
He’d have multiple “Ailenes” to deal with if he played in a real city.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
You are both correct, he would have mulitple Voisins....
but also multiple Sam Amicks as well to balance out the retardation. There are two people covering the Kings in print on a full-time basis. One of those people is doing a hatchet job on Evans while the other, well, I’m not really sure what he is doing. People who are stupid enough to get their Kings coverage from the Bee or Grant Napear are also stupid enough to buy in to this bullshit. What we don’t need is a community turning against its players based on one newspaper and one columnist who has an obvious bias. I’m all for fair reporting on a subject but since there is no second or third media source to balance out the bias, Voisin has free run to push her agenda.
The world is not your Trade Machine.
-Ziller
by jjham15 on Aug 2, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
And sometimes
he would have columnists that go back and forth from being garbage to being great. I call this the “Woj Effect”
#vfettkefordraft
but since there is no second or third media source to balance out the bias, Voisin has free run to push her agenda
This is exactly why I think it is not such a great idea to boycott all discussion about Voisin. I don’t know if StR is considered a second or third media source, but it did try to balance out the bias. It isn’t any more, apparently.
But this is TZ’s blog, and if he decides that he can’t stand that sh*t anymore, that is his right, and I’ll respect it. I assume this decision was weighed carefully, because it could be the first step down a slippery slope. But as i see it, the threshold for banning stuff regarding Napear and other “idiots” has just been inadvertently lowered .
Dunking Dutchman
by RikSmits on Aug 2, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
if Voison's articles need to be critiqued
Wouldn’t the best place for that be in the comments right below her articles on the Bee’s site?
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Aug 2, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps, TFM, and that is a good point.
But I don’t think comments are as well read or have the same length and depth as some of the posts I’ve read here with regard to her articles.
Dunking Dutchman
but
if we just posted our critiques there instead of here, then maybe some of those would be of similar length and depth.
Don’t get me wrong, I still think Aileen articles should be ok in the sidebar, but I completely endorse not having Eileen articles on the front page of STR.
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Aug 2, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think so
The time I put in writing a fanpost (I didn’t do many, I admit), is much much more than when I write comments. You just can’t compare the thoughts behind an article and the depth of it to an impromptu comment.
Dunking Dutchman
Can you
Link your STR fanpost on Sacbee’s comment section, thus effectively increasing our voice over there?
hehe
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Have you read the Sac Bee comments, Fifth?
The comments following her articles are already loaded with critical commentary, generally unfavorable to her. Any additional comments would just get lost there.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
question for ya,
what are you advocating for on here right now? Full Voison articles on the front page? only in the sidebar? only under fanshots? none at all? (obviously not that last one).
I personally get tired of reading her lame diatribes get easily torn apart by the readers and editors here at STR, but don’t think total elimination is the right path forward, but minimizing those to the Fanshots section of the board sounds just awesome to me.
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Aug 2, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
A completely seperate link called "Poison"
That way I can avoid it better.
"...this kid, Jason, is he really your brother?" - Jerry Reynolds on Ryan Thompson not making mistakes.
You make a very good point, Rik.
StR does help to balance out the bias. We all know that Jerry Reynolds reads StR. It wouldn’t surprise me if some of the players check out some of the articles on here, from time to time. Despite our mixed feelings on Ziller’s decision, almost all of us do agree about Aileen. We would like to see her replaced, with a better writer.
Instead of censoring our thoughts, I would much rather see StR become more organized in voicing our disapproval of Aileen’s articles. We could focus our efforts on writing letters to the editor. There could be a campaign to Get Rid of Aileen.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now this I like.
Have LPA draw up a letter we can all print, sign, and mail in!
"I have talent that's there, but I just have the mentality right now that I just want to be the greatest. And I don't think that any other player has that right now." -DeMarcus Cousins
by Noble_Bloodlines on Aug 2, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking about this some more.
I was thinking that someone could post a FanPost and that we work on a letter as a group. All of us can offer input as to the content, with examples. The letter would evolve through successive edits.
After the letter is completed, then a second fanpost can be created with the finalized copy of the letter. Each one of us can “sign” the letter by adding a comment line.
If LPA is interested in doing this, that would be great.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"I have talent that's there, but I just have the mentality right now that I just want to be the greatest. And I don't think that any other player has that right now." -DeMarcus Cousins
by Noble_Bloodlines on Aug 2, 2010 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Overreaction
What we don’t need is a community turning against its players based on one newspaper and one columnist who has an obvious bias.
Yes, that would totally be the end of the world as we know it.
I think this whole tiff is much ado about nothing and does nothing to Voisin except insulate from the criticism coming from this forum. I guess she won’t have that to worry about anymore.
I think those who don’t want to read Voisin or diatribes here about her opinion can make those choices as well without a ban.
The fact that “the final straw” was her criticism of Tyreke Evans just makes it appear that this site is coddling and protecting Evans.
Looking forward to the Grant Napear and Jason Jones bans.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Tippie toes? No. Logic and reason? Yes.
Voison constantly comes up with asinine garbage and calls it a column. If she came out and said that Tyreke deserves some sort of punishment, or even detailing the punishment he’s already received and saying she agreed with it, that would be fine. Hell, even Ziller did that when the incident first happened. Most people here agreed. He should be punished as the law dictates for doing something so brazenly stupid. At the time it happened the real source of disagreement seemed to be whether or not the incident was deserving of a guns drawn felony stop. But the consensus was the he deserved to be punished. Tyreke, as well as Team Tyreke, seemed to concur.
Speaking out against his actions, be it the speeding incident or a future indiscretion, is perfectly fine. He should be held accountable… but to a fair degree. If someone speeds down my street I get pissed and yell for them to slow down (Yeah, I’m old as shit for a 25 year old). I hope said speeders get pulled over and ticketed before they hurt someone. Never would I think its fair for that person to lose his/her job over the ticket. That’s unreasonable.
#vfettkefordraft
RIP Super Long Voisin Threads
Although I will miss thee, it was definitely your time to go.
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by SactoRyan on Aug 2, 2010 8:15 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
While I generally never am in favor of censoring...
It’s hard to make a case here.
Sadly, I'll never know whether or not you're being ironic.
Although, I have my doubts.
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Which I will eat.

Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
by Balky Needs on Aug 2, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is your letter to the editor on a fanshot?
I’m at work and didn’t have time to look. Sorry.
And that's wassup.
by Sacramento_Strong on Aug 2, 2010 8:46 AM PDT reply actions
It never went online
Though I think I can find our submission in my email and paste it into the comments here.
Here it is, in response to the Christensen column
Biegler did most of the heavy lifting.
In regards to Ailene Voisin’s May 23rd column “Get Over It Guys! Gray’s a Big Upgrade:” While we don’t disagree with many of Ms. Voisin’s contentions regarding the value of hard-hitting journalism, we take exception to the insinuation that Kayte Christensen’s popularity, particularly amongst men, was owed to her legs and not her legs as an analyst. Ye,s we live in an era of increasing objectification of courtside analysts, where women go from being ogled in the stands of Florida State games one moment to the sidelines of New York Jets’ games the next. But Ms. Christensen, who was capable of being insightful while simultaneously breezy and decidedly non-self important, does not deserve to be grouped among them. On the contrary, we find it amusing that, in asserting Mr. Gray’s preferability, Ms. Voisin relies on the superficiality of his passed history, a history wherein Mr. Gray had a tendency to make himself the story as opposed to objectively reporting on it. By relying on that to form the crux of her argument Ms. Voisin is guilty of the exact same sort of objectification she accuses Sacramento’s male population of. It’s a shame Ms. Voisin couldn’t use her analytical and reporting skills to find out why a vast majority of the fan base is so upset.
Robby Biegler and Tom Ziller
It did run, though I forget when and I don’t recall if this was edited much.
by Tom Ziller on Aug 2, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Spellcheck Police
Passed = past.
Not sure how that escaped the attention of the resident grammar Nazi.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
If you're talking about me
I generally ignore typos, particularly when they don’t affect the meaning of what was written. They’re unimportant.
Had TZ and RB posted it before they sent it to the Bee, I probably would have pointed it out as a courtesy. Pointing it out now is just petty.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Aug 2, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree
Pointing it out now is just petty.
Yet you do it repeatedly.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
She generally ignores typos which you would know had you gone here:

#vfettkefordraft
by vfettke on Aug 2, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
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by chenp22 on Aug 2, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha that's the first time I've heard of that.
Pretty funny stuff.
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Lol...that's funny.
Hitler.
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I like this policy
however, I don’t see it lasting too long before her articles get fan-shot by a casual viewer who doesn’t know about it.
Darko Milicec passes just as well as Vlade Divac... Vlade would be the first to tell you that
by prowseinthehouse on Aug 2, 2010 8:51 AM PDT reply actions
That's when TZ, Section, G, or I delete them.
No Ailene. At all.
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Wait, I can delete stuff?
You’ll rue the day you informed me of this, Aykis. Rue, I say!
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
I wanted to give her a chance but she blew it everytime.
I was in the minority that people were too strong against Aliene but as I recollect everytime she messes up, I want this “writer” gone. Away from Sacramento. Her agenda is very clear at this point.
And this is an awesome policy to have Ziller.
Rebuilding the Kings.
I like it
And this isn’t censorship, enough with that nonsense. Censorship means preventing someone from speaking, and she can say whatever she wants at the Bee. She has her own platform.
This is a boycott – it’s about taking your business elsewhere. If you don’t like a company’s policies you don’t have to do business with them. And so Sactown Royalty, collectively, would be boycotting her articles and taking our clicks elsewhere. This is as all-American as apple pie and fixing NBA playoff games.
I think it’s clear at this point that Voisin enjoys stirring the pot and generating pseudo-controversies, and that this proclivity has only increased with the Internet era, where there’s a crass incentive to start stupid arguments as a means of generating more page views.
Bravo to Ziller and Sactown Royatly. Si se puede.
by nbrans on Aug 2, 2010 9:06 AM PDT reply actions 10 recs
Rec'd
for “This is as all-American as apple pie and fixing NBA playoff games”
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Aug 2, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
mmmmmmm APPLE PIE!
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by Widowwolf on Aug 2, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Last I checked newspapers are company's looking to make money.
The writers are not truth seekers they are attention grabbers. If they attract your attention you may buy or purchase the newspaper. At least that’s the thought behind it. They will always error on the side of being controversial. They want to create a buzz.
I think it’s Ziller’s right to not talk about Aliene and that’s fine, but to not allow anyone else on his site to talk about her articles seems silly. I know it’s his right, but it seems a bit ridiculous.
Ba-da
so do i have to change my username?
i’d rather not
by fire_voisin on Aug 2, 2010 9:11 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Unfortunately she still has a job
which means she must have pictures of her boss getting eiffel towered by a couple of goats
#vfettkefordraft
by vfettke on Aug 2, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe this Ailene bashing has gone too far indeed
and TZ is the initiator because he is so good at analyzing her articles (and all other NBA topics as well).
Eliminating everything related to her is probably impossible and to be honest, not very desirable because being humorous about her incapability to be a good reporter as well as her being an unlikeable person, gives us joy. Yeah, that sounded malicious but I think you know what I mean.
A solution could be somewhere in the middle. We can comment on her everyone in a while when her articles worth it but let those fanposts/shots remain on the sidebar and never appear in Main Street StR.
Going to miss talking about Howard Stern
Oh Ailene.
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ok guys for all of you who think its censorship…IT ISN’T
If Ziller would say we do not talk about Hitler here, and wants no-one to make comments regarding Hitler, and no articles relating to Hitler, It is his site and he chooses what he want’s on here. If you wanna talk about Hitler, go do so on 50million other sites besides here. You have the right to your free speech, IN PUBLIC..this is not public..this is a private site..If you want to so bad talk about Voison, go make a blog for her and have fun all day
Founder of team Omté Caspeen
No, it is indeed censorship AND THAT'S OK
Because it’s TZ’s site, and TZ’s rules. Let’s not pretend it’s not censorship though.
Um, replacing "Voison" with "Hitler" doesn't mean it's not censorship.
Definition: “Censorship is the suppression of speech or deletion of communicative material which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or inconvenient to the government or media organizations as determined by a censor.”
If Ziller is actually serious about keeping Voison off fanshots, he’d have to delete them when they came up. That would make:
media organization = blog
censor = ziller
No matter how you want to spin it
It’s censorship, cut and dried.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Wow
Hadn’t read this far, but there is the theory again.
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by chenp22 on Aug 2, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Censorship it is not
That would be if she wrote for this site and then they took her keys I mean password away. Also this might be good for the bee because it will show them that mediocrity in writing is only driving subscribers away and they will try and enhance the paper and its staff of writers and produce a higher quality product.
by larry_funderburke on Aug 2, 2010 9:58 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Can we include No links to Bleacher Report in this policy as well?
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by Aykis16 on Aug 2, 2010 10:09 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Here, Here!
Excellent policy. The site already smells sweeter.
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by NoCal-SteelCity on Aug 2, 2010 10:20 AM PDT reply actions
I have...
… always looked to this site as the voice of sanity and reason by both the writers and members, and this to me is a step in the other direction. Voisin’s articles need to be critiqued. They need to be ridiculed. I know we can always go to the Bee comment section, but that doesn’t nearly carry the weight of a front page critique on this site. I recognize too the need to make it more positive, tone down the endless bashing. But, taking this extreme step seems, I don’t know, rash? Abrupt? Which is not what I would have expected from the folks here. There must be some better way to handle this, no?
by henryclemente on Aug 2, 2010 10:31 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
A personal boycott is fine, but forcing others to boycott . . .
Even if something is within your rights (I know this is Ziller’s site) doesn’t mean you should do it.
Ba-da
I'm with you here
Posted something like this above, but I’ll say it again. While reading Voison’s columns often isn’t enjoyable, discussing and critiquing them often is.
This isn't censorship; this is war.
Spoken in a deep, crisp baritone with a British undertone
This policy is not in place specifically to keep us from discussing Voisin. While that is a fortunate side-effect, the point as far as I can tell is to leave Voisin isolated and alone, free from all relevance to the Sacramento Kings fan community.
For too long, we have served as the air, water, shelter and feeding trough for our own adversary. By discussing her, we have enabled her; we have made her relevant. We have driven up traffic to her articles, making the ads on those pages more profitable. The more she shocks us, the more we read her; the more we read her, the more she appalls us. It’s a never-ending, vicious cycle of PAIN!
However, Ziller has now shown us a better, smarter, easier way to win. He has called upon you and me to make a shared sacrifice: we must exercise the self-restraint necessary to keeping her off this page in totality. This is a challenge, and yet it is also a glorious mission to be undertaken for the sake of the Sacramento Kings community at large. Surely, you and I must heed this call.
You see, the result is all too clear, and if we stay the course, we cannot fail. If we cease to acknowledge her, if we boycott her and cut her off from this Sac Town Royalty market, we will drain her page of high traffic numbers until the Enemy yields to our demands!
"Where hope goes to die"
by napg on Aug 2, 2010 10:42 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Question
What happens in the occasional instances when an article by Voisin provides something of general interest to the average fan? For instance, not too long ago, she interviewed the Maloofs, and the Maloofs’ answers seemed interesting to read. Would that kind of thing be suitable to link to and discuss, as long as the discussion revolves around the Maloofs and their statements rather than the author and her handling of the interview?
I certainly agree that it is purposeless at best to invest a lot of time complaining about her. But what about when something she writes is germaine to a conversation centered on something besides Voisin as a media personality?
Are you testing the boundaries?
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Seems like a fair question to me.
"Where hope goes to die"
To explain why I'm asking this,
I never go directly to the Bee’s site or sports section because I trust that anything of interest there (like the recent Maloof interview) will be linked to from this site. If we decide as a matter of policy that we won’t link to Aileen’s stuff, even if it’s relevant, then I may go to her page (assuming there’s some sort of archive by columnist) from time to time to see if she’s written anything interesting.
If there are other people out there like me, this policy may have the unintended effect of giving her page views that she would otherwise not have gotten.
We will all have to wait for the information to show up in Slam_Dunk's new sig.
All pertinent Voisin information will be passed down by the newly appointed “Minister of Rancid Information” via sig line- no discussion needed. I’m sure you can also find a rant for the really good stuff on Pick and Scroll as well.
The world is not your Trade Machine.
-Ziller
Sorry to disappoint.
I won’t be having putting any Aileen information into a new sig.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
JJ, I see you have reverted to name-calling. Class act.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
I'm just messing with you SD.
The rancid information was aimed at Voisin, not you.
The world is not your Trade Machine.
-Ziller
by jjham15 on Aug 2, 2010 1:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Okay. I'm not ruffled.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
I'm fine with it
I’d like to see at least others have the freedom to post a Fanshot, at the least. I know a lot of people here hate what she writes and like to vent here. If Z says “no more Aileen” ….. fine by me. If I don’t like it, I’ll find another Kings blog to go to (which I wont!)
As far as Voison goes, I think her writing is meant for one thing and one thing only … shock. She does her job well. The last 2 main page posts on her have combined for about 300ish comments. It’s a hot topic. We live now where there’s newspapers, blogs, websites, Twitter, Facebook …. and you can get news everywhere. Therefore, there’s tons of over-reporting, IMO. A 19 year old NBA player busted for going 130 MPH is a bad thing, but he handled it well and has moved on. Of course, someone has to over report it, say that the Kings are “coddling” him, and how bad that will be. That gets picked up by someone (John Hollinger) and he spreads the word on his Twitter. That’s the world we live in now. Positive stuff doesn’t sell, negative stuff does.
I think her article was BS honestly. NBA stars get coddled all the time. It works for some (Kobe, Jordan) and other times not so much (Lebron). I am not worried in the least about him.
I’d like to see at least others have the freedom to post a Fanshot,
I think Fanshots is the one and only place her stuff belongs on this site, and that this site is better served by having her stuff in there rather than a full on, controversial Eileen boycott.
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
Thank Ziller!
I come to this site for some quality insight on the Kings. I love the posts on here and love the comments even more. Voison’s wreckless typings made me wonder why someone would even bother to link her here.
It’s like walking into a flower shop with all these beautiful flowers displayed wonderfully in shiny vaces, while in the corner is a shameful display of dandelions put together by a 5 year old. It just has no place and brings nothing but negativity.
Thanks for clearing the weeds!
"...this kid, Jason, is he really your brother?" - Jerry Reynolds on Ryan Thompson not making mistakes.
Claiming Voison actually has any clout within the organization? Unidentified "multiple sources" used to attack her?
Sactownroyalty: Keepin’ it classy.
I’m just like everyone else here: I think Voison’s columns suck. And it’s your right to not discuss them. But it’s wrong to attack someone based on rumors and speculation. And keeping her columns off the fanshots? Are you going to start censoring everything anyone writes with her name in it?
This could have been handled better, IMO.
by cbsf on Aug 2, 2010 12:03 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Weak Idea
And conspicuously hypocritical since you have been preoccupied with her every word for months.
The purpose of fan sites like this is promote stimulating conversation, fun and debate surrounding our favorite team, and offer informative and entertaining content to casual and serious fans.
I am not here to defend Ailene, but who can say she has not been fodder for fun and compelling posts?
If someone perceives her column as a source of misinformation, then they are provided with the impetus and creative spark to offer counter points to discount her point of view. What is wrong with that? It is all in fun.
I would add some posters cross the line into personal attacks. But that is not the fault of Voison. I was particularly perplexed by one of the moderators insinuating she was a racist. Totally out of line. I have more of a problem with this than Voison saying Tyreke is ill-prepared to lead an NBA team.
I plan to continue to read Ailene. I think she offers insightful tid bits here and there to go along with the dubious opinion.
I also find it interesting Jason Jones gets a pass on StR when the quality of his work at the Bee is just as lacking and devoid of quality. He gets scooped by national media time after time. His content is sparse, his effort sporadic, and he makes repeated grammatical and spelling errors. Surrounding the draft, the old beat writer, Sam Amick, provided better Kings insight than the current beat writer. He asks to be referred to as Mr. Jason Jones. I can only imagine the fall out if Voision asked to be referred to as Miss Ailene.
I have a feeling the next ‘controversial’ article penned by Aileen will actually gain more interest now that you have thrown a ban on her. And it will get Fan Posted, and the comments will add up fast. She may feel more compelled to take an outlying opinion in the name of stirring debate. So the desired effect aspired to will backfire. And rightfully so, sports and sports-related discussion should be compelling and entertaining, not self-important.
Free Ailene!
by bench_blob on Aug 2, 2010 12:03 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
Audacity
This is not civil rights class.This is a website. Here for the discussion of Kings basketball. Not the freedom of the press. Not the right of public access. This is the creation of someone who has poured their time, money, energy and passion into creating a open space (for us lucky enough to have found it) to elaborate on our opinions and ideas, our emotions and our differences, our love of the game and the local team.
How is that not enough?
I have to question any rebuttal to this generosity. Particularly for someone who has a bigger and wider arena in which to foray. Someone who’s work has caused a festering boil on the behind of the only local professional sports team. Someone who has not demonstrated a love of the franchise or the town. Someone who has provoked more ire than fire and you are upset that they can’t do so here? Their rights have been violated and so have yours? Uh-oh, don’t look now but your entitlement is showing…
by betweentheeyes on Aug 2, 2010 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
Pwned. Hard.
Awesome shit, BTE
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

and

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on Aug 2, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is right. I have the audacity to express my opinion.
I have the audacity to question the wisdom of censoring the discussion that you and I and others would engage about Aileen’s articles.
I have a lot of respect for Ziller. I would like to think that Ziller would like the honest opinions of the StR members and not a lot of “yes men” accepting every single idea he has without question.
If entitlement is speaking up, not only for the myself, but for others, then so be it.
You can always add a quality Voisin quote as your sig in protest. - jjham15
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If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Let freedom ring.

You can always add a quality Voisin quote as your sig in protest. - jjham15
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If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
I dont get it.
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
by PhutureKings on Aug 3, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
It is a handshake.
You can always add a quality Voisin quote as your sig in protest. - jjham15
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If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Oh, I was misled by the dude's gargantuan hand and the chick smiling at it.
Didn’t think it was that straightforward.
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
by PhutureKings on Aug 3, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Slam
do you know those cage signs at the zoo? Heed them.
by betweentheeyes on Aug 3, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Nobody is stopping you from you discussing Voisin's shitty articles!
You are FREE to start your own blog and do it there ad nausea.
That’s the point. It’s not censorship. Nobody’s “rights” are being violated. LOL. It seems all for naught anyhow, as the policy has been changed to allow people to fanshot her shit.
OMG…that’s what we need — a new category! Fanposts, fanshots and, for Voisin articles, fanshits.
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
by PhutureKings on Aug 3, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
You sound upset.
You can always add a quality Voisin quote as your sig in protest. - jjham15
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If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
Not realyl. The "LOL"
is kind of a give-away that suggests I’m not upset.
What happened to Ginormous Handshakes, man!?! Haha
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
How's this?

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
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People Who Live In Glass Houses Should Not Throw Stones - English Idiom
Nope. That still doesn't work for me.
Looks more like they are probably saying, “One. Two. Three. Four. I declare thumb war.”
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
Sounds good to me
We have the asinine trade thread so we could have the asinine Voisin thread. It would server the same purpose too.
"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." - Cardinal Richelieu
The point is to try to get Ailene fired.
If the editors notice a huge decrease in traffic and reading of her articles, then she might get fired. That is what the objective is, to me. If people of this site ignore her, then there is a good chance we can create the lack of readership req’d to get rid of this venomous Voisin.
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
I wouldn't wish anyone to be fired, not in these times especially...
Relegated to writing the garage sale adds and now we’re talking!
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
How about she just
gets re-assigned to a real estate columnist then?
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So you wanna screw the real estate market too?
Do you want Sac to have houses?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
heh
Ok, how about fluffy pets columnist?
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Why, so we can have even more articles about Rubio?
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
Ok
Anywhere other than Kings.
I actually went to the Website and Marijuana is an actual sub-directory under news. Maybe she can write her opinions on that?
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Based on her current articles, I'm pretty sure she already is!
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
by PhutureKings on Aug 3, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
That's not true at all
Stoner’s actual come up with some pretty interesting, albeit completely nonsensical, ideas. Ailene only brings one of those to the table.
#vfettkefordraft
Oh, I agree with the creative capacity of weed.
I just meant the chick sounds high and out of touch.
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
OK...
Banning topics seems like a slippery slope. She’s a columnist who writes about the Kings, so her articles (however critiqued) are Kings-related. This IS still a Kings-related message board, right? While THE best Kings information is posted here, so are asinine trade scenarios, posts about nickname suggestions, and haiku submissions. STR might be taking itself a little too seriously and getting a little too big-headed if it’s banning Ailene as a topic to ensure she doesn’t get attention! Yikes.
When parents make new ruls......
…..the children will whine and complain and cry.
"...this kid, Jason, is he really your brother?" - Jerry Reynolds on Ryan Thompson not making mistakes.
^rules
"...this kid, Jason, is he really your brother?" - Jerry Reynolds on Ryan Thompson not making mistakes.
TZ update
Well done, sir…I think you’re on the right track here.
by otis29 on Aug 2, 2010 12:29 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
It's a wise man
who listens to his critics and does the right thing.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
I do the right thing
when I respond to your drivel.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Ziller should have made a poll asking if every body was for or against the new policy
Then completely ignored it
#vfettkefordraft
by vfettke on Aug 2, 2010 12:33 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
To those who are against the complete ban to any linkage....
While working in the yard today I had the idea similar to that of a workplace safety tracker.
i.e. “This workplace has been accident free for X days”
How about instead of completely banning her and any mention of her, therefore creating more work for the site admin, why don’t we just give a big frown to the offender when the behavior takes place.
Put a widget on the front page that says something to the extend of:
“This community has been Voison free for (Insert counting device, days, minutes, hours, it doesn’t matter specifically) days.
HER LAST MENTION WAS COURTESY OF (insert shameful avatar name)
This widget would serve as a reminder of the wishes of most of the community while alleviating the admin of absolute policing and allow us to throw Voison stones of shame if someone wants to post/link/mention Voison after today.
Think about all of the “You were the last mention of Voison, your argument is invalid” pictures that you could make to shame people. It would be great!
by Nutterball on Aug 2, 2010 12:35 PM PDT reply actions 7 recs
Genius.
"Morrison beats Casspi 1 on 1". - MarcusC
by Surprise Team on Aug 2, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know...
I can see Andy or Dunk putting in something Voisin-related from time to time, just to piss us off.
Those who walk on eggshells rarely leave footprints.
by SierraSpartan on Aug 2, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Who me? Do something like that?
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
As long as you stop posting Bleacher Report articles I'll forgive you.
Author of the Pick and Scroll. Follow me on Twitter here.
Okay. You've got a deal.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
How dare you.
Well, maybe one last pic:

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
by andy sims on Aug 2, 2010 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wow
I didn’t know Ailene Voisin wore anything other than black.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Weird.
I never imagined Broderick would play the role of Ricky Rubio. DeVito as Voisin makes some sense, tho.
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
by PhutureKings on Aug 3, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
No
Just more attention to her. I’m thinking of just adopting a no comment policy on Voisin articles. If one is fanposted/fanshotted, I won’t delete it, but I won’t comment on it either.
Author of the Pick and Scroll. Follow me on Twitter here.
I still like Ziller's breakdowns, they're really thorough.
Maybe he could just not allow comments on them. Nothing substantive gets added in regard to those, really.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
I disagree with this.
If he’s going to comment on Ailene, the StR community should have their say regardless of how inane it is. Nonetheless, I remind I do support a ban of talking about her stupidity.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I agree with this.
The whole point of a V-Ban would be to decrease traffic to and the notoriety of her articles. Not being able to comment on a post here is the wrong way to go about it.
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
by PhutureKings on Aug 3, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
This is a good idea
although one of the reasons people like to come here is because they can comment. getting an article about Voisin without the possibility to rant is like getting an alcohol-free beer. What’s the point?
Dunking Dutchman
by RikSmits on Aug 2, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
getting an article about Voisin without the possibility to rant is like getting an alcohol-free beer. What’s the point?
Well said Rec’d.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I feel like that's a bad analogy.
When Ziller gets in the ass of these columns with that scalpel of his, that’s like fine wine. Most of what gets poured in after that is Rocket Fuel Malt Liquor.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
Fair enough.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
His breakdowns are great, but kind of pointless
Her articles tend to be so bad that they almost don’t need to be broken down, as they’re already broken down of their own merit. Maybe that’s why Ziller’s doing this, he wants an actual challenge when debating somebody.
#vfettkefordraft
My only problem with this idea...
…is that I would just post comments consisting simply of, “Ailene Voisin.”
"Where hope goes to die"
Ailene Voisin.
For example. ^
"Where hope goes to die"
Ailene's Voiceoff is good for everyone
Bad sports writing should be ignored by anyone who respects the Kings and the English language. I cringe every time I’m forced to read A. Voiceoff’s work, and I thank Ziller for allowing me to ignore her even more than I have already become accustomed. Let’s get this season started so we have more important work to deal with!
by Sactown's Finest on Aug 2, 2010 12:38 PM PDT reply actions
Note: I don’t live in Sacramento, don’t read Voisin’s articles regularly, and am not a fan of her work.
TZ, I really appreciate the interesting Kings discussion that you and the rest of the StR crew provide, free of charge, every day. And I respect your right to self-censor, as this is your private blog. However, in this case, I think you’d be misguided to stop commenting on Voisin’s work entirely, and that it would be detrimental to the site.
As you’ve often pointed out, the Bee is Sacramento’s only daily, and Voisin is one of its few (two?) writers reporting on the Kings. Maybe she doesn’t deserve it, but she probably has more access to the Kings than any other media member in the world right now. It doesn’t mean that her opinions about the team are correct; it does mean that she can get exclusive information about the team that is relevant to this community.
Humbly, I offer these suggestions: When she writes an asinine article advocating a foolish position (such as the recent one on Tyreke’s reckless driving) ignore it. It’ll make its way into the fanshots where the hyenas can recycle their Howard Stern jokes and that’ll be that. When she produces quality content (like the also-recent Maloofs Q&A) frontpage it with your own commentary, as you would with a good Kings story by any other writer.
I feel confident guessing that you will continue to read her work, since it’s your business to know as much as possible about the Kings. Choosing not to share even Voisin’s best stuff on StR significantly reduces the quality of the blog, particularly for those of us who have realized that we’re better off coming here instead of the Bee. Maybe by increasing traffic to relevant, informative articles, we can convince Voisin and/or the Bee’s editorial staff to quit with anti-journalistic junk aimed solely at garnering page views.
That’s my two cents.
by furious.d on Aug 2, 2010 1:35 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Furious represents my attitudes well.
Doing an all encompassing ban, as fun as it would be, would end up being counter-productive.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
That said, I agree with the ban if only because I share the frustration with Ailene's vendetta columns.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm really disappointed in the final update
as I was hard at work on my Kim Jong-Ziller photoshop
#vfettkefordraft
post it anyway
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Aug 2, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Just ban her. The censorship argument is invalid and ignorant.
The point of banning her isn’t to deny you the “pleasure” of reading her shyte articles. It’s to get the editors at the Bee to wake up and smell the bullshit that is produced by this so-called sports writer. The fewer people that react to her useless drivel, then the better the chance she gets canned.
Below: Ailene Voisin rallies her supporters — both of them — at the “First Annual Anti-Tyreke/Pro-Hitler/Ricky Rubio-based Chronic Fantasy and Maturbation Convention”

"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
Damnit Phuture, that's twice in two days u made me imagine she-who-must-not -be-named masterbating.
I’m going to have to rub my junk with sandpaper to rid myself of the pain.
by BearKing on Aug 2, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Misery loves company.
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
Interesting: When you google Ailene Voisin
Sactown Royalty in the fourth item that pops up. Seems her life is more than somewhat intertwined with STR at this point no matter the outcome of the ban.
Orwellian
And since when is Doc Evans an expert on sportswriting or journalistic excellence?
Pullllllleeeeeeezzzzz!
Stay Thirsty My Friends
WONK
Etymology - origin unknown
Function - Noun
Definition - A person preoccuped with arcane details or procedures in a specialized field; broadly, NERD; especially someone young who focuses on one topic or subject to the near exclusion of all other topics.
I support this new "Voldemort Policy"...
“She who shall not be named….”
Actually, comparing her to Voldemort is an insult to Voldemort, but whatever….
What really matters within reason
is what the player does on the court, or off the court that truly impacts the team. I am a basketball fan and I care about what goes on with the basketball team and its players, primarily while they play.
An isolated incident like Tyreke’s speeding or Nocioni’s DUI doesn’t cross that threshold. I don’t even think some of the issues Ron Artest encountered while in Sac crossed that line. He still brought it every night, and in his absence we lost 21 more games than in his last year.
I did feel Kevin Martin’s negativity drug the team down and impacted the Kings, and it was a breath of fresh air when he was finally dealt.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Typical internet publicity stunt
When traffic gets low, or what ever the jargon is, the Ailene Voison ban will be violated.
Not a great writer but networks okay, doesn’t make things up, and sells the Sacramento Kings to the moms of Tel Aviv-Jaffa which is the only chance the Kings are going to stay in Sacramento. I don’t have the hate some of you guys do.
typical sacramento
saying stupid and hate
It’s not like Sacramento is a mecca of knowledge.
Say what ever you want, it’s not like I drove 130 in a residential area endangering the lives around me.
Tyreke didn't drive 130 in a residential area.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
How would you feel if your daughter, wife, husband brother, father, mother etc was sharing the road at the time of the incident.
Somethings are justifiable because he’s a great basketball player.
Tyreke didn't drive 130 in a residential area.
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Well I don't know that they weren't.
But I also know nothing happened to any of them so really worrying about a potential incident is just recipe for madness. No thanks.
I have not once justified his actions. But at some point there comes a time & place where bullshit doesn’t work. That shit sailed quite awhile ago with regards to Tyreke and the reckless driving. His family shamed him over twitter, The franchise said publicly they were disappointed. Whomever said it isn’t a big deal have been fans. I will remind, again, that I’m not one of them. The franchise, though, has also decided, wisely, to not make an incident of this anymore than it is because there are mistakes and then are mistakes. A 20 year old kid making a dumb decision is not unheard of. Yes, I know he’s in the spotlight, but 20 year olds aren’t always savvy about things like that.
However, Tyreke Evans is a brilliant basketball player who did a lot of tremendous things as a 20 year old rookie. That shouldn’t be diminished because he made a bad judgment. It shouldn’t be ignored by the franchise and it hasn’t. Whatever has been said about the incident has remained, as it should, behind close doors. You can’t really run an organization with the public hoarding over your every move. This isn’t the government.
None of this changes the fact that A) Tyreke wasn’t driving 130 in a residential area, or B) has nothing to do with the thread itself about why TZ won’t post about Ailene Voisin on the front page.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Aug 2, 2010 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
An Ailene Voilson column/article will be posted again here
As soon as there’s a “good reason” the ban will be violated.
Honest business is more about being a good accountant and meeting people than being the most knowlegable about the field. That’s why Voilson is going to stay.
If you haven't noticed.....
….community members can talk about her articles. They just won’t show up on the front page. Apparently you didn’t read the update.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
He didn't notice
He’s Kevin S, and he gets the Bee at 15% off when he uses his VISA card.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
And apparently, he also
makes house music and looks like a huge douche.
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
by PhutureKings on Aug 3, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I posted 500 hate comments about some sports writer that's never did anything to me
I’m the Giant Douche
I don't think that you really posted 500 comments,
but you nailed the second part of your comment.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
Boom, roasted.
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
by Balky Needs on Aug 3, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Because Tyreke's the only shitty driver in the greater Sacramento area, right?
Maybe all of their names should be published and scrutinized as well?
#vfettkefordraft
I know, I know
but her article today on Brian Wilson of the Giants?
‘a commanding presence’
‘charges like a bull’
‘packaged with his muscular, tightly colied 6-fott-1 physique and a withering, unforgiving stare’
‘his jersey opens at the collar and reveals’
Classic Voisin.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
Late to the party but will throw my 2 cents
Agree with the policy and agree with the ultimate message that’s TZ is trying to send. I fully support it and for that reason will stay out of any discussions from any fanpost or fanshot that comes from any of Ms Voisin’s work.
The day I’m offended or don’t agree with the way this blog is run, is the day I will probably stop commenting. If you don’t like the way things are run in these parts, it is within your right to close the page and take your opinions elsewhere. Otherwise, I think it’s fair to state your opinion, but also understanding this is a private place (as many others have already written) and that TZ (as the head of this space) is also within his right to put in place any rules or policies he sees fit.
I’ve always said and I think it applies here as well, if you don’t like the rules or if the site doesn’t meet your high (or low) standards, the option of leaving and not coming back is always there.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
by edm7 on Aug 3, 2010 10:18 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs

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