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New Policy: No More Ailene

Our friend betweentheeyes had a fine suggestion in yesterday's "take the keys away!" thread discussing Ailene Voisin's latest hackjob: eliminate Ailene from Sactown Royalty. Make this a no-Ailene zone.

Over the past few years, commenters have at times requested we stop talking about Ailene or Grant Napear, and I've ignored those calls. Those two characters are important facets of Sacramento Kings culture, especially locally. But bte is right -- Voisin doesn't deserve our attention. She's a hack who can sometimes be good but more often plays for effect and seeks to further her agenda. It's funny, she has a pretty bad batting record at this point -- no Bill Laimbeer, Larry Brown or even Avery Johnson, no Ricky Rubio. But she tries behind the scenes to play a role in the macro operation of the Kings. Multiple sources tell me she's leaned on Colleen "Mama" Maloof to force or encourage the Bros to do certain things with the team; one person close to the team told me she announced in the presence of Geoff Petrie just before the 2009 NBA Draft that if he didn't take Rubio, she'd never let him live it down. Remember the DeMarcus Cousins tummy incident? A source says she did indeed ask to see Cousins' bare stomach in a one-on-one interview. Boogie's agent was reportedly furious afterward.

She's unprofessional behind the scenes, and her work is increasingly vapid, contrary-for-contrary's-sake and misguided. We don't need any of that. With Jason Jones in the saddle for The Bee, and Sam Amick occassionally covering the Kings for FanHouse, and Zach Harper of Cowbell Kingdom and our very own Aykis likely to cover the team live parts of next season, and increased national attention, with all that we don't have a need or time for Voisin's bile.

So this is officially a No Ailene Zone. I won't link to, quote or reference Voisin's work on the front page. You won't discuss it. No FanShots or FanPosts. I'll settle any future scores via comment on SacBee.com or letter to the editor. (rbiegler and I sent in a letter regarding the wonderfully stupid Kayte Christensen column, and the good people at The Bee printed it.) 

Sactown Royalty will be a better place for this.

***

Oh wait, one last Voisin note. Doc Evans, brother of Tyreke Evans, you have the final word:

Ailene Voisin is the worst writer I've ever read! I think she's bitter cause the Kings didn't draft Rubio! Thank God she's not the GM!

This the final Voisin thread. Please don't be mean to her. Again, she really doesn't deserve the attention.

UPDATE: There are some compelling points in this thread, so a modification of the nascent policy: feel free to FanShot Voisin's column and discuss there, or write a FanPost that involves one of her columns. I'm not going to police the FanPosts and FanShots for this -- that is pretty silly. Just don't expect to see it land on the front page, unless there is a true compelling reason for it be there.

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EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 2, 2010 4:46 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

One other thing that I've forgotten about since yesterday

I was complaining to Doc on twitter about the treatment of Tyreke. He mentioned that Tyreke isn’t even driving himself right now because he can’t. If that doesn’t show responsibility, if not on Tyreke’s part, than at least on Team Tyreke’s part.

Yeah, this kid is going to kill the franchise. I’m so glad I jumped on the wagon the day after he was drafted. I’d feel a lot worse today if I hadn’t.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 2, 2010 5:02 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Sounds right.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 2, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

just read the truehoop excerpt and thought it sounded ridiculous. Came over here and felt gratified that I am not alone in figuring she hasn’t got a handle on things.

Sacbee comments were giving her a flogging too.

"When you go in for a job interview, I think a good thing to ask is if they ever press charges."

by Bushka on Aug 2, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love the policy :)

I seriously hate reading her articles, boycotting will only help get rid of her(hopefully).

by sc3252 on Aug 2, 2010 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Me too

I thought pointing to the Ailene column for bashing was simply picking the low hanging fruit for a blog entry.

by bignerd on Aug 2, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

One thing I don't get because I don't live in Sacramento is

the fact that Voisin receives so much attention. What I mean is that Sacramento is a city of half a million people. I know it’s considered a relatively small market in the USA, but we’re talking about half a million people. Here in Athens the population is around 700k (1 mil with the suburbs) and we have more than 20-25 newspapers. 10 of them (maybe more) are purely about sports. The sportswriters are like 1 every 5 people you meet everyday (ok I’m exaggerating but there are A LOT). Why does Ailene have this kind of monopoly on the Kings? Is the Bee the only paper in town?

Just a Kings fan outside US wondering.

by ZenBaller on Aug 2, 2010 5:28 AM PDT reply actions  

The Bee is the only paper in Sac.

There have been other papers in Sac, but the Union went out of business in 1994. So essentially it is a monopoly. The problem is that the Bee has lost quality writers over the years, but not Ailene Voisin. If you’ve read her columns for a long time, you would roll your eyes at her too.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 2, 2010 5:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I see

Yes I’ve been reading Bee’s sports columns online the past few years but it was more a source of information for me. Only since I found StR I really understood what’s going on. Obviously that lady has some good networking going on and that’s the reason she stays there. It’s a pity, but at least we got StR, and I don’t think a Kings fan needs anything else. The only disadvantage is it’s “unofficial”, meaning that it’s probably hard for TZ to arrange an interview with Tyreke or the Maloofs.

But then again, the more free of those professional relationships the blog remains, the more free it is to criticize anyone.

by ZenBaller on Aug 2, 2010 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

No Ailene Voisin stays at the Bee because she's tenured and the Bee can't fire her.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 2, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

there’s Tenure at a private company? wow!!!

Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.

by TheFifthMookie on Aug 2, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow that

suuuuuuuuuucks

If I was in a room with Bin Laden, Hitler, and Robert Horry and I had a gun with two bullets...I'd shoot Robert Horry twice

by amiles2233 on Aug 2, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's one of the way unions don't work.

It’s rare that unions hold a business back, but it’s not just the paper unions that are holding the paper business back. It’s the paper business that’s holding itself back.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 2, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tenure is a joke no matter where it is.

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Aug 2, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was wondering about that.

So, we are stuck with her.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 2, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

They could send her to the Scene section or Travel like they did with RE and Marcos.

Hopefully she would quit but they already have set a precedence. One can wish.

The world is not your Trade Machine.

-Ziller

by jjham15 on Aug 2, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's what's scary JJ

Imagine someone worse.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 2, 2010 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, please...Aykis would never work at the Bee.

I kid, I kid!

"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
---
"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

by PhutureKings on Aug 3, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you count SN&R as a paper, then there are 2 papers in Sac

but SN&R doesn’t cover sports… and it barely covers the news. It’s mainly to see upcoming events, or places to eat, etc, but I would still consider it much better than The Bee as a newspaper, I just don’t know if it’s really considered one.

Darko Milicec passes just as well as Vlade Divac... Vlade would be the first to tell you that

by prowseinthehouse on Aug 2, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

and sex ads.

The world is not your Trade Machine.

-Ziller

by jjham15 on Aug 2, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can't believe I forgot about those!

Darko Milicec passes just as well as Vlade Divac... Vlade would be the first to tell you that

by prowseinthehouse on Aug 2, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

and most recently marijuana dispensary ads.

"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." - Cardinal Richelieu

by hozr on Aug 2, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is the Sacramento Press..

Which is 100% online, but it’s format is trying to provide an alternative to the Bee.

by Hapasan on Aug 6, 2010 1:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A more safe harbor from stupidity.

by Smills9133 on Aug 2, 2010 5:47 AM PDT reply actions  

It's obvious...

It’s obvious that STR is the largest and most influential media site for the Kings. Nice move, Ziller. This will all but guarantee that Sacbee Kings coverage spirals down the down in to complete obscurity.

by JOlives on Aug 2, 2010 6:21 AM PDT reply actions  

I agree with this statement

If STR hadn’t done the expose’ on her anti-Tyreke article, I doubt the Rise Guys would have talked about it so much this morning.

Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.

by TheFifthMookie on Aug 2, 2010 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s obvious that STR is the largest and most influential media site for the Kings.

From a fan perspective yes. From a media perspective, that’s still the Bee. More fans read the Bee daily than read StR. Until it’s the other way around, you can’t claim one has more influence than the other.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 2, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great policy

I will have to find some other source in order to get green comments.

by mayfieldcol on Aug 2, 2010 6:29 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I'm not convinced

We like to rant against stuff here at StR. At least, I do. You’re taking away an easy target.
So I guess now all the focus will shift to Napear. Is that desirable?

You heard about the soccer game where a bunch of people heckled the opposing coach? One of the opposing fans told them to lay off. “But he’s an asshole,” a guy called. “Yes, he is,” the defending fan replied, “but he is our asshole!”

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on Aug 2, 2010 6:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Voisin is not "our" crappy writer

she is just an abomination that The Bee tries to force feed us.

Darko Milicec passes just as well as Vlade Divac... Vlade would be the first to tell you that

by prowseinthehouse on Aug 2, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love the part....

when the second eye falls out but is still attached by the optic nerve so it bounces off his head like a paddle ball game until it detaches and flies over his shoulder.

The world is not your Trade Machine.

-Ziller

by jjham15 on Aug 2, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know what made me laugh harder:

the gif or your super-detailed description of the second eyeball coming out

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Aug 2, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is how I imagine Voisin writes an article.

Or the guys at Bleacher Report.

Author of the Pick and Scroll. Follow me on Twitter here.

by Aykis16 on Aug 2, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well it certainly explains her resemblance to Howard Stern

"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." - Cardinal Richelieu

by hozr on Aug 2, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like this

Our discussion of her articles and linking to them increases her page views. Taking away StR as a source of page views is something The Bee should actually notice.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Aug 2, 2010 7:17 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Wow. I actually feel sorry for her.

Damn you, you made me feel sorry for HHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRR!

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on Aug 2, 2010 7:23 AM PDT reply actions  

It's like a beam of light just hit me in the face and angels started to sing!

THANKS TZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND

"I have talent that's there, but I just have the mentality right now that I just want to be the greatest. And I don't think that any other player has that right now." -DeMarcus Cousins

by Noble_Bloodlines on Aug 2, 2010 7:27 AM PDT reply actions  

And now, a word from Dexy's Midnight Runners

Good-bye Aileen, no more making me scream.
At this moment, it must be a dream.
We’re purged of your mess, my thoughts I confess
Verge on giddy, ah good-bye Aileen.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Aug 2, 2010 7:36 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Freaking great!

Founder of team Omté Caspeen

by Widowwolf on Aug 2, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

1984

What’s next, the Thought Police? Your edict is wholly regrettable. Ailene has her quirks, but I think censorship of any form is bad.

Stay Thirsty My Friends

WONK
Etymology - origin unknown
Function - Noun
Definition - A person preoccuped with arcane details or procedures in a specialized field; broadly, NERD; especially someone young who focuses on one topic or subject to the near exclusion of all other topics.

by Natomaser on Aug 2, 2010 7:38 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

How is this cencorship?

She’s still at the Bee for anyone to read at their discretion. It’s www.sacbee.com.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Aug 2, 2010 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or censorship?

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Aug 2, 2010 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

sink or ship?

"DeMarcus pounds, like the hammer. Tyreke slashes, like the sickle.
For the good of the proletariat!" - tomroadrunner

by Ice_9ine on Aug 2, 2010 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's censorship if, say, someone on this sites writes about a Voison article, and the site-member's post is deleted for it.

Members of this site should be able to talk about anything Kings-related. To deny that is censorship of it’s members.

by cbsf on Aug 2, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think that's realistic to go around deleting peoples' posts, and I doubt that's what's going to happen.

But that’s the way it came across in this post, so maybe it should be cleared up. Otherwise, Ziller should have said simply “I’m not going to talk about Aileen anymore,” and omit anything about fanshots/fanposts.

by cbsf on Aug 2, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ask and ye shall receive

From Ziller via post update:

UPDATE: There are some compelling points in this thread, so a modification of the nascent policy: feel free to FanShot Voisin’s column and discuss there, or write a FanPost that involves one of her columns. I’m not going to police the FanPosts and FanShots for this — that is pretty silly. Just don’t expect to see it land on the front page, unless there is a true compelling reason for it be there.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Aug 2, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

halleluja!

Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.

by TheFifthMookie on Aug 2, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very happy to hear this. Rec'd

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's self-censorship

I’m just not spending time on it any more.

by Tom Ziller on Aug 2, 2010 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You are the editor of this blog, so as such, you can decide what to delete.

I have the highest regard for your articles, but I question the wisdom of your decision to censor commentary from the membership on the work of a local sports newspaper columnist. This is so surprising coming from a writer, such as yourself, where the freedom to express ideas is paramount.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

It isn't censorship.

See nbrans comment below. It’s a boycott.

She can still say whatever she wants. People can still read her. They just can’t bring it over here.

StR Token Female

by LeaguePassAddict on Aug 2, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I read his comment.

This is not about censorship of Aileen. This is about censorship of your ideas and mine.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's not censorship

Censorship is a repressive way to prevent the spreading of information. Ziller’s protecting us from Voison’s garbage.

One a serious note, it’s Ziller’s site. His site. His rules. Period. Freedom of speech does not apply in a private setting, even if they do provide a medium to give your own opinions and commentary. If everyone should get to post whatever they want here we’d have no FanPosts/Shots being deleted for being completely asinine or garbage. Xinyue would not be banned for peddling his wares. Chapu4U would have been set free!

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Aug 2, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agree.
Censorship is a repressive way to prevent the spreading of information.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

P.S. I am not interested in someone else "protecting" me from someone else's ideas.

I have a mind of my own and would rather do my own thinking.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Way to miss the joke

also, censorship is usually performed by government to repress its citizens. In a private entity, that you can leave at any time, it’s not censorship. No one’s forcing you to stay here. You can go to another Kings site and comment there. It’s not quite as easy when its the government censoring its citizens. Going to a whole new country isn’t the simplest thing in the world.

If you don’t like Kim Jong-Ziller’s rules, you’re more than welcome to leave.

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Aug 2, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

This is the textbook definition of censorship

You are drawing it out to a first amendment issue – but whether you like it or not, an “official” site boycott of linking to or discussing Voison’s articles is indeed censorship.

At the same time, TZ should and does dictate the terms with which we interact on this site, and I have no problem with that. I can either abide by the rules, or I can take my business elsewhere.

So, although I think this is kind of a dumb thing to do, it doesn’t bother me to the point that I would start hanging out at a different Kings site.

by otis29 on Aug 2, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, you're right.

Technically it’s censorship, and I am frawing it out as a “first amendment issue.1” But, Slam_Dunk is doing the same. The difference is, I don’t care about being “censored”, because it’s not my site. Posting here is a privilege not a right. Granted, the privilege can be given to just about anyone (see 214, section). But banning Ailene talk isn’t some totalitarian dictator’s way of stopping people from thinking for themselves, it’s just getting rid of a constant annoyance. It’s like calling the pest control guy. You don’t want him to kill all of the creepy crawley little bastards, just the ones that are in your house.

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Aug 2, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Like this:

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Aug 2, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I am expressing my ideas, which happen to differ from yours.

I didn’t know that we are not allowed to have differing views on this site.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

It is censorship

Just like not being able to create posts about religion or politics on here is censorship also. A limited amount of censorship in a place like this allows the site to continue with its fostered culture. This is a private site, and if I didn’t like the censorship here, I would go elsewhere. I don’t use apple products for this reason.

That said, I would prefer that the censorship be limited to articles on the front page, and that Aileen articles can still be discussed in the sidebar, as users see fit to share them.

Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.

by TheFifthMookie on Aug 2, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can agree with this.

This is a blog that basically covers all things related to the Sacramento Kings. I don’t think anyone is upset that religion and politics are not allowed here, as this site is sports blog.

However, discussion of Aileen Voison comes under the Sacramento Kings and basketball sports umbrella because of her prominent place in reporting sports, especially anything related to the Kings, in the Sacramento Bee. Like it or not, she has an influence on the community and at times, even garnering some national attention.

To close off all discussion of her on this site is a strong position for Ziller, as editor. I can see where he may choose not to write about her anymore, but to keep his readership from writing about her is censorship (repression) of our ideas, in my view.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's something you will pick up on over time

But, like some folks have said, you either stick around to face the music or take your ball elsewhere. Nobody is forcing anyone to post here or like the rules or comments. Like most other things you engage in, it’s an imperfect place.

That said, this is a stupid rule, is in fact censorship and won’t do a thing to stop folks from commenting on Voisin here if they really want to.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Aug 2, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol..

we will never forget Chapu4U

by RekeHAVOC_13 on Aug 2, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

You can go comment on her stuff at sacbee.

This really isn’t a big deal.

StR Token Female

by LeaguePassAddict on Aug 2, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

It may not be a big deal to you.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's really not.

I was running out of pithy insults about her lack of writing skills anyway.

StR Token Female

by LeaguePassAddict on Aug 2, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I am more concerned with discussing someone's ideas than their grammar.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Riiight.

I never talked about her grammar.

Just her sexist, contrived, hackneyed columns.

StR Token Female

by LeaguePassAddict on Aug 2, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Then no problem for you.

You won’t have to concern yourself with those issues anymore.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fantastic summary

Well stated summary of this

Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.

by TheFifthMookie on Aug 2, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I appreciate that you like having me here on StR.

That said, you should also realize that I am not afraid to express my ideas. I disagree with your premise, entirely. I am of the stance that the “Pen is mightier than the sword.” Ziller has taken our pen away on StR. I do not agree that silence is the best way to express your ideas. This is not about lessening Aileen’s voice, I am concerned with lessening “our” voice.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Indeed

the best way to point out that she’s full of it, is to point out that she’s full of it. Here. On this blog.

by LPKingsFan on Aug 2, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

the best way

to point out that she’s full of it is commenting on the SACBEE website, or write the editor. Not complain about it on a site she has nothing to do with.

by Dub_TC on Aug 2, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

We're not complaining here

I’d say more than that. I’ve enjoyed our discussions of her articles here… haven’t you? And have you read the Sacbee forums? Maybe that’s fine for “complaining,” but I think the substantive debates and discussions we’ve had here are more than worthwhile.

by LPKingsFan on Aug 2, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

honestly

I enjoy a little Voisin bashing here and there. But if Ziller says, “no more Voison” on here, I’m fine with it.

by Dub_TC on Aug 2, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

With every post here linking Aileen

Comes a bunch of hits on her articles on the Bee website. The Bee, as a company probably pays a lot more attention to the hits on their site because that means ad dollars, than it does to our criticisms of Aileen on this site.

So in essence, TZ’s choice to not link to Aileens “articles” means less business for the Bee, hitting them where it hurts. The Bee is sinking and they’ll take all the hits they can get right now even at the expense of unbias, objective writing.

by kangsfan on Aug 2, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I understand the point

but I think we’re getting a little full of ourselves if we think a boycott here is really going to force the Bee to dump Voison (although it’s clear they’ve Aileen-ated a lot of their readers).

I’ll chalk my vote to not supporting this. I understand that Ziller would rather spend his energies elsewhere. But while I won’t miss reading Voison’s work here, I did enjoy the discussion.

by LPKingsFan on Aug 2, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd for
Aileen-ated.

.

Kings - 2011/2012 Champions

by SkylineFanatic on Aug 2, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

People really don't understand what the First Amendment means at all.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.

Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Aug 2, 2010 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't believe in ammendments: the constitution was fine the first time!

"DeMarcus pounds, like the hammer. Tyreke slashes, like the sickle.
For the good of the proletariat!" - tomroadrunner

by Ice_9ine on Aug 2, 2010 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah! Well, you're a suffragette!

"DeMarcus pounds, like the hammer. Tyreke slashes, like the sickle.
For the good of the proletariat!" - tomroadrunner

by Ice_9ine on Aug 2, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

No it wasn't

that’s kind of why they allowed for amendments. And because of that whole “compromise so the South can keep their slaves and count them as voters” thing.

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Aug 2, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am sorry you thought I was serious.

You must know some real stupid people.

"DeMarcus pounds, like the hammer. Tyreke slashes, like the sickle.
For the good of the proletariat!" - tomroadrunner

by Ice_9ine on Aug 2, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Last I checked this site belongs to Ziller

and what he says goes, since it’s his. Luckily, his rules are pretty loose and allow us to talk about and say pretty much anything with the exception of the following:
- Politics
- Religion
- Hate speech
- Voison

The world would be a better place if everyone followed those rules.

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Aug 2, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Words of a follower.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Baaaaa

Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.

by TheFifthMookie on Aug 2, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I want a coat. I'm coming by to shear you.

You’re from the Mo V. You should be used to that by now.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 2, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's the hip boots that scare him the most.

"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." - Cardinal Richelieu

by hozr on Aug 9, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

STR meet TZ

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by chenp22 on Aug 2, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I don't get it...

If an official Ailene-Free Zone has to be initiated to keep people from bashing her, then maybe people want to bash her? Most of her writing is garbage and provides no relevant insight at all, and begs for the written bitch-slap responses. However, I find it a little ironic that when she’s actulally provided a little bit of decent writing (the sit-down with the Maloofs most recently) she gets the STR Death Penalty. When the the Kings hit a rough patch and lose 9 of 10, and Ailene recommends the team fire Westphal and hire Arnold Schwarzenegger, there’s going to be a lot of itchy typing fingers out there.

by IamPurple on Aug 2, 2010 7:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Most of her writing is garbage and provides no relevant insight at all

exactly why Ziller has decided not to waste anymore time on it.

by Dub_TC on Aug 2, 2010 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Just the fact that you can already foresee exactly what she is already going to do

proves that there is no more reason to conversate about it. (Yes I made that word up but it works)

Darko Milicec passes just as well as Vlade Divac... Vlade would be the first to tell you that

by prowseinthehouse on Aug 2, 2010 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

We have a natural right to make use of our pens as of our tongue, at our peril, risk and hazard. ~Voltaire, Dictionnaire Philosophique, 1764

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 8:07 AM PDT reply actions  

And...
Books won’t stay banned. They won’t burn. Ideas won’t go to jail. In the long run of history, the censor and the inquisitor have always lost. The only weapon against bad ideas is better ideas. ~Alfred Whitney Griswold, New York Times, 24 February 1959

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

And for now, take away the keys. -Ailene Voisin

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Aug 2, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

And for now, take away the keys. -Ailene Voisin

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Aug 2, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry for the double-post

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Aug 2, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would truly love to see the keys taken away from Aileen.

I think this site does a great job of critiquing her articles. I will miss that. I can only hope that Ziller will reconsider his position and modify it.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

You have these rights Slam_Dunk....just not here.

If you don’t think Candide was banned from multiple places, then you are wrong. Voltaire was speaking out against a tyrannical monarchy that was bankrupting his country and starving its population. Ziller is merely enforcing an already overwhelming sentiment by putting it in policy form. I think this is more like the Emancipation Proclamation where an injustice has been righted by edict. Voisin is poisoning the well that we all drink out of. She is running amuck without any form of credibility and the repercussions will be felt here in Sacramento long after her and her soap box (the Bee) have been deemed completely irrelevant and bankrupted. You can’t allow a person with power like this to tarnish the name of your star if you intend on keeping that star in town. It was a f-ing speeding ticket. The courts decide punishment in our country, not some reporter with an agenda. All she is doing is turning the lemmings towards a cliff.

The world is not your Trade Machine.

-Ziller

by jjham15 on Aug 2, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

The Star Protection Program
You can’t allow a person with power like this to tarnish the name of your star if you intend on keeping that star in town.

If Tyreke is going to leave town because of what some columnist writes, it’s probably better we find out that out sooner than later.

So now we have to walk on tippie toe when talking about Tyreke?

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Aug 2, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tyreke is lucky this happened in Sactown

He’d have multiple “Ailenes” to deal with if he played in a real city.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Aug 2, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

You are both correct, he would have mulitple Voisins....

but also multiple Sam Amicks as well to balance out the retardation. There are two people covering the Kings in print on a full-time basis. One of those people is doing a hatchet job on Evans while the other, well, I’m not really sure what he is doing. People who are stupid enough to get their Kings coverage from the Bee or Grant Napear are also stupid enough to buy in to this bullshit. What we don’t need is a community turning against its players based on one newspaper and one columnist who has an obvious bias. I’m all for fair reporting on a subject but since there is no second or third media source to balance out the bias, Voisin has free run to push her agenda.

The world is not your Trade Machine.

-Ziller

by jjham15 on Aug 2, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

And sometimes

he would have columnists that go back and forth from being garbage to being great. I call this the “Woj Effect”

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Aug 2, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

but since there is no second or third media source to balance out the bias, Voisin has free run to push her agenda

This is exactly why I think it is not such a great idea to boycott all discussion about Voisin. I don’t know if StR is considered a second or third media source, but it did try to balance out the bias. It isn’t any more, apparently.

But this is TZ’s blog, and if he decides that he can’t stand that sh*t anymore, that is his right, and I’ll respect it. I assume this decision was weighed carefully, because it could be the first step down a slippery slope. But as i see it, the threshold for banning stuff regarding Napear and other “idiots” has just been inadvertently lowered .

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on Aug 2, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

if Voison's articles need to be critiqued

Wouldn’t the best place for that be in the comments right below her articles on the Bee’s site?

Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.

by TheFifthMookie on Aug 2, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Perhaps, TFM, and that is a good point.

But I don’t think comments are as well read or have the same length and depth as some of the posts I’ve read here with regard to her articles.

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on Aug 2, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

but

if we just posted our critiques there instead of here, then maybe some of those would be of similar length and depth.

Don’t get me wrong, I still think Aileen articles should be ok in the sidebar, but I completely endorse not having Eileen articles on the front page of STR.

Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.

by TheFifthMookie on Aug 2, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think so

The time I put in writing a fanpost (I didn’t do many, I admit), is much much more than when I write comments. You just can’t compare the thoughts behind an article and the depth of it to an impromptu comment.

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on Aug 2, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can you

Link your STR fanpost on Sacbee’s comment section, thus effectively increasing our voice over there?
hehe

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by chenp22 on Aug 2, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have you read the Sac Bee comments, Fifth?

The comments following her articles are already loaded with critical commentary, generally unfavorable to her. Any additional comments would just get lost there.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

question for ya,

what are you advocating for on here right now? Full Voison articles on the front page? only in the sidebar? only under fanshots? none at all? (obviously not that last one).

I personally get tired of reading her lame diatribes get easily torn apart by the readers and editors here at STR, but don’t think total elimination is the right path forward, but minimizing those to the Fanshots section of the board sounds just awesome to me.

Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.

by TheFifthMookie on Aug 2, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

A completely seperate link called "Poison"

That way I can avoid it better.

"...this kid, Jason, is he really your brother?" - Jerry Reynolds on Ryan Thompson not making mistakes.

by ibon on Aug 2, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

You make a very good point, Rik.

StR does help to balance out the bias. We all know that Jerry Reynolds reads StR. It wouldn’t surprise me if some of the players check out some of the articles on here, from time to time. Despite our mixed feelings on Ziller’s decision, almost all of us do agree about Aileen. We would like to see her replaced, with a better writer.

Instead of censoring our thoughts, I would much rather see StR become more organized in voicing our disapproval of Aileen’s articles. We could focus our efforts on writing letters to the editor. There could be a campaign to Get Rid of Aileen.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Now this I like.

Have LPA draw up a letter we can all print, sign, and mail in!

"I have talent that's there, but I just have the mentality right now that I just want to be the greatest. And I don't think that any other player has that right now." -DeMarcus Cousins

by Noble_Bloodlines on Aug 2, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was thinking about this some more.

I was thinking that someone could post a FanPost and that we work on a letter as a group. All of us can offer input as to the content, with examples. The letter would evolve through successive edits.

After the letter is completed, then a second fanpost can be created with the finalized copy of the letter. Each one of us can “sign” the letter by adding a comment line.

If LPA is interested in doing this, that would be great.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"I have talent that's there, but I just have the mentality right now that I just want to be the greatest. And I don't think that any other player has that right now." -DeMarcus Cousins

by Noble_Bloodlines on Aug 2, 2010 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Overreaction
What we don’t need is a community turning against its players based on one newspaper and one columnist who has an obvious bias.

Yes, that would totally be the end of the world as we know it.

I think this whole tiff is much ado about nothing and does nothing to Voisin except insulate from the criticism coming from this forum. I guess she won’t have that to worry about anymore.

I think those who don’t want to read Voisin or diatribes here about her opinion can make those choices as well without a ban.

The fact that “the final straw” was her criticism of Tyreke Evans just makes it appear that this site is coddling and protecting Evans.

Looking forward to the Grant Napear and Jason Jones bans.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Aug 2, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tippie toes? No. Logic and reason? Yes.

Voison constantly comes up with asinine garbage and calls it a column. If she came out and said that Tyreke deserves some sort of punishment, or even detailing the punishment he’s already received and saying she agreed with it, that would be fine. Hell, even Ziller did that when the incident first happened. Most people here agreed. He should be punished as the law dictates for doing something so brazenly stupid. At the time it happened the real source of disagreement seemed to be whether or not the incident was deserving of a guns drawn felony stop. But the consensus was the he deserved to be punished. Tyreke, as well as Team Tyreke, seemed to concur.

Speaking out against his actions, be it the speeding incident or a future indiscretion, is perfectly fine. He should be held accountable… but to a fair degree. If someone speeds down my street I get pissed and yell for them to slow down (Yeah, I’m old as shit for a 25 year old). I hope said speeders get pulled over and ticketed before they hurt someone. Never would I think its fair for that person to lose his/her job over the ticket. That’s unreasonable.

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Aug 2, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

RIP Super Long Voisin Threads

Although I will miss thee, it was definitely your time to go.

"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."

by SactoRyan on Aug 2, 2010 8:15 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

AWSOME!!!!

no more trash intermingled with ignorance : )

by 9K1NGS on Aug 2, 2010 8:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Sadly, I'll never know whether or not you're being ironic.

Although, I have my doubts.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.

Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Aug 2, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile

by Balky Needs on Aug 2, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Is your letter to the editor on a fanshot?

I’m at work and didn’t have time to look. Sorry.

And that's wassup.

by Sacramento_Strong on Aug 2, 2010 8:46 AM PDT reply actions  

I'd like to read that as well.

A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...

by Jaycee on Aug 2, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

It never went online

Though I think I can find our submission in my email and paste it into the comments here.

by Tom Ziller on Aug 2, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here it is, in response to the Christensen column

Biegler did most of the heavy lifting.

In regards to Ailene Voisin’s May 23rd column “Get Over It Guys! Gray’s a Big Upgrade:” While we don’t disagree with many of Ms. Voisin’s contentions regarding the value of hard-hitting journalism, we take exception to the insinuation that Kayte Christensen’s popularity, particularly amongst men, was owed to her legs and not her legs as an analyst. Ye,s we live in an era of increasing objectification of courtside analysts, where women go from being ogled in the stands of Florida State games one moment to the sidelines of New York Jets’ games the next. But Ms. Christensen, who was capable of being insightful while simultaneously breezy and decidedly non-self important, does not deserve to be grouped among them. On the contrary, we find it amusing that, in asserting Mr. Gray’s preferability, Ms. Voisin relies on the superficiality of his passed history, a history wherein Mr. Gray had a tendency to make himself the story as opposed to objectively reporting on it. By relying on that to form the crux of her argument Ms. Voisin is guilty of the exact same sort of objectification she accuses Sacramento’s male population of. It’s a shame Ms. Voisin couldn’t use her analytical and reporting skills to find out why a vast majority of the fan base is so upset.

Robby Biegler and Tom Ziller

It did run, though I forget when and I don’t recall if this was edited much.

by Tom Ziller on Aug 2, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

great letter

Glad to see it now, having missed it before

by LPKingsFan on Aug 2, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Spellcheck Police

Passed = past.

Not sure how that escaped the attention of the resident grammar Nazi.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Aug 2, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you're talking about me

I generally ignore typos, particularly when they don’t affect the meaning of what was written. They’re unimportant.

Had TZ and RB posted it before they sent it to the Bee, I probably would have pointed it out as a courtesy. Pointing it out now is just petty.

StR Token Female

by LeaguePassAddict on Aug 2, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree
Pointing it out now is just petty.

Yet you do it repeatedly.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Aug 2, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

There it is.

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by chenp22 on Aug 2, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Lol...that's funny.

Hitler.

"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

by PhutureKings on Aug 2, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile

by Balky Needs on Aug 3, 2010 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like this policy

however, I don’t see it lasting too long before her articles get fan-shot by a casual viewer who doesn’t know about it.

Darko Milicec passes just as well as Vlade Divac... Vlade would be the first to tell you that

by prowseinthehouse on Aug 2, 2010 8:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Wait, I can delete stuff?

You’ll rue the day you informed me of this, Aykis. Rue, I say!

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Aug 2, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wanted to give her a chance but she blew it everytime.

I was in the minority that people were too strong against Aliene but as I recollect everytime she messes up, I want this “writer” gone. Away from Sacramento. Her agenda is very clear at this point.

And this is an awesome policy to have Ziller.

Rebuilding the Kings.

by KF10 on Aug 2, 2010 8:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Rec'd

for “This is as all-American as apple pie and fixing NBA playoff games”

Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.

by TheFifthMookie on Aug 2, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

mmmmmmm APPLE PIE!

Founder of team Omté Caspeen

by Widowwolf on Aug 2, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I saw what you did there.

Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile

by Balky Needs on Aug 2, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Last I checked newspapers are company's looking to make money.

The writers are not truth seekers they are attention grabbers. If they attract your attention you may buy or purchase the newspaper. At least that’s the thought behind it. They will always error on the side of being controversial. They want to create a buzz.

I think it’s Ziller’s right to not talk about Aliene and that’s fine, but to not allow anyone else on his site to talk about her articles seems silly. I know it’s his right, but it seems a bit ridiculous.

Ba-da

by Ba-Da Bing on Aug 2, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Word.

A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...

by Jaycee on Aug 2, 2010 9:08 AM PDT reply actions  

Unfortunately she still has a job

which means she must have pictures of her boss getting eiffel towered by a couple of goats

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Aug 2, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Maybe this Ailene bashing has gone too far indeed

and TZ is the initiator because he is so good at analyzing her articles (and all other NBA topics as well).

Eliminating everything related to her is probably impossible and to be honest, not very desirable because being humorous about her incapability to be a good reporter as well as her being an unlikeable person, gives us joy. Yeah, that sounded malicious but I think you know what I mean.

A solution could be somewhere in the middle. We can comment on her everyone in a while when her articles worth it but let those fanposts/shots remain on the sidebar and never appear in Main Street StR.

by ZenBaller on Aug 2, 2010 9:18 AM PDT reply actions  

ok guys for all of you who think its censorship…IT ISN’T

If Ziller would say we do not talk about Hitler here, and wants no-one to make comments regarding Hitler, and no articles relating to Hitler, It is his site and he chooses what he want’s on here. If you wanna talk about Hitler, go do so on 50million other sites besides here. You have the right to your free speech, IN PUBLIC..this is not public..this is a private site..If you want to so bad talk about Voison, go make a blog for her and have fun all day

Founder of team Omté Caspeen

by Widowwolf on Aug 2, 2010 9:56 AM PDT reply actions  

No, it is indeed censorship AND THAT'S OK

Because it’s TZ’s site, and TZ’s rules. Let’s not pretend it’s not censorship though.

by otis29 on Aug 2, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Um, replacing "Voison" with "Hitler" doesn't mean it's not censorship.

Definition: “Censorship is the suppression of speech or deletion of communicative material which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or inconvenient to the government or media organizations as determined by a censor.”

If Ziller is actually serious about keeping Voison off fanshots, he’d have to delete them when they came up. That would make:

media organization = blog
censor = ziller

by cbsf on Aug 2, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

No matter how you want to spin it

It’s censorship, cut and dried.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Aug 2, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow

Hadn’t read this far, but there is the theory again.

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by chenp22 on Aug 2, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Censorship it is not

That would be if she wrote for this site and then they took her keys I mean password away. Also this might be good for the bee because it will show them that mediocrity in writing is only driving subscribers away and they will try and enhance the paper and its staff of writers and produce a higher quality product.

by larry_funderburke on Aug 2, 2010 9:58 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

This

..is a comment with which I agree

m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!

by JediLeroy on Aug 2, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here, Here!

Excellent policy. The site already smells sweeter.

I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars... and you. What else you need to know?

by NoCal-SteelCity on Aug 2, 2010 10:20 AM PDT reply actions  

I have...

… always looked to this site as the voice of sanity and reason by both the writers and members, and this to me is a step in the other direction. Voisin’s articles need to be critiqued. They need to be ridiculed. I know we can always go to the Bee comment section, but that doesn’t nearly carry the weight of a front page critique on this site. I recognize too the need to make it more positive, tone down the endless bashing. But, taking this extreme step seems, I don’t know, rash? Abrupt? Which is not what I would have expected from the folks here. There must be some better way to handle this, no?

by henryclemente on Aug 2, 2010 10:31 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

A personal boycott is fine, but forcing others to boycott . . .

Even if something is within your rights (I know this is Ziller’s site) doesn’t mean you should do it.

Ba-da

by Ba-Da Bing on Aug 2, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with you here

Posted something like this above, but I’ll say it again. While reading Voison’s columns often isn’t enjoyable, discussing and critiquing them often is.

by LPKingsFan on Aug 2, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

This isn't censorship; this is war.

Spoken in a deep, crisp baritone with a British undertone

This policy is not in place specifically to keep us from discussing Voisin. While that is a fortunate side-effect, the point as far as I can tell is to leave Voisin isolated and alone, free from all relevance to the Sacramento Kings fan community.

For too long, we have served as the air, water, shelter and feeding trough for our own adversary. By discussing her, we have enabled her; we have made her relevant. We have driven up traffic to her articles, making the ads on those pages more profitable. The more she shocks us, the more we read her; the more we read her, the more she appalls us. It’s a never-ending, vicious cycle of PAIN!

However, Ziller has now shown us a better, smarter, easier way to win. He has called upon you and me to make a shared sacrifice: we must exercise the self-restraint necessary to keeping her off this page in totality. This is a challenge, and yet it is also a glorious mission to be undertaken for the sake of the Sacramento Kings community at large. Surely, you and I must heed this call.

You see, the result is all too clear, and if we stay the course, we cannot fail. If we cease to acknowledge her, if we boycott her and cut her off from this Sac Town Royalty market, we will drain her page of high traffic numbers until the Enemy yields to our demands!

"Where hope goes to die"

by napg on Aug 2, 2010 10:42 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

Question

What happens in the occasional instances when an article by Voisin provides something of general interest to the average fan? For instance, not too long ago, she interviewed the Maloofs, and the Maloofs’ answers seemed interesting to read. Would that kind of thing be suitable to link to and discuss, as long as the discussion revolves around the Maloofs and their statements rather than the author and her handling of the interview?

I certainly agree that it is purposeless at best to invest a lot of time complaining about her. But what about when something she writes is germaine to a conversation centered on something besides Voisin as a media personality?

by twasserm on Aug 2, 2010 11:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Are you testing the boundaries?

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

To explain why I'm asking this,

I never go directly to the Bee’s site or sports section because I trust that anything of interest there (like the recent Maloof interview) will be linked to from this site. If we decide as a matter of policy that we won’t link to Aileen’s stuff, even if it’s relevant, then I may go to her page (assuming there’s some sort of archive by columnist) from time to time to see if she’s written anything interesting.

If there are other people out there like me, this policy may have the unintended effect of giving her page views that she would otherwise not have gotten.

by twasserm on Aug 2, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

We will all have to wait for the information to show up in Slam_Dunk's new sig.

All pertinent Voisin information will be passed down by the newly appointed “Minister of Rancid Information” via sig line- no discussion needed. I’m sure you can also find a rant for the really good stuff on Pick and Scroll as well.

The world is not your Trade Machine.

-Ziller

by jjham15 on Aug 2, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry to disappoint.

I won’t be having putting any Aileen information into a new sig.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

JJ, I see you have reverted to name-calling. Class act.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm just messing with you SD.

The rancid information was aimed at Voisin, not you.

The world is not your Trade Machine.

-Ziller

by jjham15 on Aug 2, 2010 1:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Okay. I'm not ruffled.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm fine with it

I’d like to see at least others have the freedom to post a Fanshot, at the least. I know a lot of people here hate what she writes and like to vent here. If Z says “no more Aileen” ….. fine by me. If I don’t like it, I’ll find another Kings blog to go to (which I wont!)

As far as Voison goes, I think her writing is meant for one thing and one thing only … shock. She does her job well. The last 2 main page posts on her have combined for about 300ish comments. It’s a hot topic. We live now where there’s newspapers, blogs, websites, Twitter, Facebook …. and you can get news everywhere. Therefore, there’s tons of over-reporting, IMO. A 19 year old NBA player busted for going 130 MPH is a bad thing, but he handled it well and has moved on. Of course, someone has to over report it, say that the Kings are “coddling” him, and how bad that will be. That gets picked up by someone (John Hollinger) and he spreads the word on his Twitter. That’s the world we live in now. Positive stuff doesn’t sell, negative stuff does.

I think her article was BS honestly. NBA stars get coddled all the time. It works for some (Kobe, Jordan) and other times not so much (Lebron). I am not worried in the least about him.

by Dub_TC on Aug 2, 2010 11:37 AM PDT reply actions  

I’d like to see at least others have the freedom to post a Fanshot,

I think Fanshots is the one and only place her stuff belongs on this site, and that this site is better served by having her stuff in there rather than a full on, controversial Eileen boycott.

Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.

by TheFifthMookie on Aug 2, 2010 11:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Amen

Amick for President 2011.

by Young Rod on Aug 2, 2010 11:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Thank Ziller!

I come to this site for some quality insight on the Kings. I love the posts on here and love the comments even more. Voison’s wreckless typings made me wonder why someone would even bother to link her here.

It’s like walking into a flower shop with all these beautiful flowers displayed wonderfully in shiny vaces, while in the corner is a shameful display of dandelions put together by a 5 year old. It just has no place and brings nothing but negativity.

Thanks for clearing the weeds!

"...this kid, Jason, is he really your brother?" - Jerry Reynolds on Ryan Thompson not making mistakes.

by ibon on Aug 2, 2010 12:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Claiming Voison actually has any clout within the organization? Unidentified "multiple sources" used to attack her?

Sactownroyalty: Keepin’ it classy.

I’m just like everyone else here: I think Voison’s columns suck. And it’s your right to not discuss them. But it’s wrong to attack someone based on rumors and speculation. And keeping her columns off the fanshots? Are you going to start censoring everything anyone writes with her name in it?

This could have been handled better, IMO.

by cbsf on Aug 2, 2010 12:03 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pwned. Hard.

Awesome shit, BTE

"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

by PhutureKings on Aug 2, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  


and

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Aug 2, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

That is right. I have the audacity to express my opinion.

I have the audacity to question the wisdom of censoring the discussion that you and I and others would engage about Aileen’s articles.

I have a lot of respect for Ziller. I would like to think that Ziller would like the honest opinions of the StR members and not a lot of “yes men” accepting every single idea he has without question.

If entitlement is speaking up, not only for the myself, but for others, then so be it.

You can always add a quality Voisin quote as your sig in protest. - jjham15
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If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let freedom ring.

You can always add a quality Voisin quote as your sig in protest. - jjham15
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If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dont get it.

"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

by PhutureKings on Aug 3, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

It is a handshake.

You can always add a quality Voisin quote as your sig in protest. - jjham15
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If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 3, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I was misled by the dude's gargantuan hand and the chick smiling at it.

Didn’t think it was that straightforward.

"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

by PhutureKings on Aug 3, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Slam

do you know those cage signs at the zoo? Heed them.

by betweentheeyes on Aug 3, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nobody is stopping you from you discussing Voisin's shitty articles!

You are FREE to start your own blog and do it there ad nausea.

That’s the point. It’s not censorship. Nobody’s “rights” are being violated. LOL. It seems all for naught anyhow, as the policy has been changed to allow people to fanshot her shit.

OMG…that’s what we need — a new category! Fanposts, fanshots and, for Voisin articles, fanshits.

"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

by PhutureKings on Aug 3, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

You sound upset.

You can always add a quality Voisin quote as your sig in protest. - jjham15
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If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 3, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not realyl. The "LOL"

is kind of a give-away that suggests I’m not upset.

What happened to Ginormous Handshakes, man!?! Haha

"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

by PhutureKings on Aug 3, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

How's this?

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
______________________
People Who Live In Glass Houses Should Not Throw Stones - English Idiom

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 3, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope. That still doesn't work for me.

Looks more like they are probably saying, “One. Two. Three. Four. I declare thumb war.”

"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

by PhutureKings on Aug 3, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds good to me

We have the asinine trade thread so we could have the asinine Voisin thread. It would server the same purpose too.

"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." - Cardinal Richelieu

by hozr on Aug 9, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Censorship is a bad road to go down. And in the case of a basketball BLOG? Just plain stupid.

by cbsf on Aug 2, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

The point is to try to get Ailene fired.

If the editors notice a huge decrease in traffic and reading of her articles, then she might get fired. That is what the objective is, to me. If people of this site ignore her, then there is a good chance we can create the lack of readership req’d to get rid of this venomous Voisin.

"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

by PhutureKings on Aug 2, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't wish anyone to be fired, not in these times especially...

Relegated to writing the garage sale adds and now we’re talking!

Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile

by Balky Needs on Aug 2, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

How about she just

gets re-assigned to a real estate columnist then?

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by chenp22 on Aug 2, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

So you wanna screw the real estate market too?

Do you want Sac to have houses?

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 2, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

heh

Ok, how about fluffy pets columnist?

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by chenp22 on Aug 2, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why, so we can have even more articles about Rubio?

"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

by PhutureKings on Aug 2, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok

Anywhere other than Kings.
I actually went to the Website and Marijuana is an actual sub-directory under news. Maybe she can write her opinions on that?

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by chenp22 on Aug 2, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Based on her current articles, I'm pretty sure she already is!

"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

by PhutureKings on Aug 3, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's not true at all

Stoner’s actual come up with some pretty interesting, albeit completely nonsensical, ideas. Ailene only brings one of those to the table.

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Aug 3, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I agree with the creative capacity of weed.

I just meant the chick sounds high and out of touch.

"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

by PhutureKings on Aug 3, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK...

Banning topics seems like a slippery slope. She’s a columnist who writes about the Kings, so her articles (however critiqued) are Kings-related. This IS still a Kings-related message board, right? While THE best Kings information is posted here, so are asinine trade scenarios, posts about nickname suggestions, and haiku submissions. STR might be taking itself a little too seriously and getting a little too big-headed if it’s banning Ailene as a topic to ensure she doesn’t get attention! Yikes.

by IamPurple on Aug 2, 2010 12:20 PM PDT reply actions  

When parents make new ruls......

…..the children will whine and complain and cry.

"...this kid, Jason, is he really your brother?" - Jerry Reynolds on Ryan Thompson not making mistakes.

by ibon on Aug 2, 2010 12:23 PM PDT reply actions  

^rules

"...this kid, Jason, is he really your brother?" - Jerry Reynolds on Ryan Thompson not making mistakes.

by ibon on Aug 2, 2010 12:23 PM PDT reply actions  

TZ update

Well done, sir…I think you’re on the right track here.

by otis29 on Aug 2, 2010 12:29 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

It's a wise man

who listens to his critics and does the right thing.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Aug 2, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do the right thing

when I respond to your drivel.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Aug 2, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Genius.

"Morrison beats Casspi 1 on 1". - MarcusC

by Surprise Team on Aug 2, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lets do it then!

Get some green on this and maybe Ziller will run with it.

by Nutterball on Aug 2, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know...

I can see Andy or Dunk putting in something Voisin-related from time to time, just to piss us off.

Those who walk on eggshells rarely leave footprints.

by SierraSpartan on Aug 2, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who me? Do something like that?

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay. You've got a deal.

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Aug 2, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

How dare you.

Well, maybe one last pic:

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.

Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Aug 2, 2010 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Wow

I didn’t know Ailene Voisin wore anything other than black.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 2, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Weird.

I never imagined Broderick would play the role of Ricky Rubio. DeVito as Voisin makes some sense, tho.

"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

by PhutureKings on Aug 3, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

No

Just more attention to her. I’m thinking of just adopting a no comment policy on Voisin articles. If one is fanposted/fanshotted, I won’t delete it, but I won’t comment on it either.

Author of the Pick and Scroll. Follow me on Twitter here.

by Aykis16 on Aug 2, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still like Ziller's breakdowns, they're really thorough.

Maybe he could just not allow comments on them. Nothing substantive gets added in regard to those, really.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.

Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Aug 2, 2010 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree with this.

If he’s going to comment on Ailene, the StR community should have their say regardless of how inane it is. Nonetheless, I remind I do support a ban of talking about her stupidity.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 2, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with this.

The whole point of a V-Ban would be to decrease traffic to and the notoriety of her articles. Not being able to comment on a post here is the wrong way to go about it.

"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

by PhutureKings on Aug 3, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is a good idea

although one of the reasons people like to come here is because they can comment. getting an article about Voisin without the possibility to rant is like getting an alcohol-free beer. What’s the point?

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on Aug 2, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

getting an article about Voisin without the possibility to rant is like getting an alcohol-free beer. What’s the point?

Well said Rec’d.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 2, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I feel like that's a bad analogy.

When Ziller gets in the ass of these columns with that scalpel of his, that’s like fine wine. Most of what gets poured in after that is Rocket Fuel Malt Liquor.

It’s Crizz-appy.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.

Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Aug 3, 2010 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 3, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

His breakdowns are great, but kind of pointless

Her articles tend to be so bad that they almost don’t need to be broken down, as they’re already broken down of their own merit. Maybe that’s why Ziller’s doing this, he wants an actual challenge when debating somebody.

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Aug 3, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

My only problem with this idea...

…is that I would just post comments consisting simply of, “Ailene Voisin.”

"Where hope goes to die"

by napg on Aug 2, 2010 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ailene Voisin.

For example. ^

"Where hope goes to die"

by napg on Aug 2, 2010 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ailene's Voiceoff is good for everyone

Bad sports writing should be ignored by anyone who respects the Kings and the English language. I cringe every time I’m forced to read A. Voiceoff’s work, and I thank Ziller for allowing me to ignore her even more than I have already become accustomed. Let’s get this season started so we have more important work to deal with!

by Sactown's Finest on Aug 2, 2010 12:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Furious represents my attitudes well.

Doing an all encompassing ban, as fun as it would be, would end up being counter-productive.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 2, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

That said, I agree with the ban if only because I share the frustration with Ailene's vendetta columns.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 2, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm really disappointed in the final update

as I was hard at work on my Kim Jong-Ziller photoshop

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Aug 2, 2010 2:09 PM PDT reply actions  

post it anyway

Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.

by TheFifthMookie on Aug 2, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tough-Love Kim Jong Zil

Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile

by Balky Needs on Aug 2, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just ban her. The censorship argument is invalid and ignorant.

The point of banning her isn’t to deny you the “pleasure” of reading her shyte articles. It’s to get the editors at the Bee to wake up and smell the bullshit that is produced by this so-called sports writer. The fewer people that react to her useless drivel, then the better the chance she gets canned.

Below: Ailene Voisin rallies her supporters — both of them — at the “First Annual Anti-Tyreke/Pro-Hitler/Ricky Rubio-based Chronic Fantasy and Maturbation Convention”

"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

by PhutureKings on Aug 2, 2010 2:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Damnit Phuture, that's twice in two days u made me imagine she-who-must-not -be-named masterbating.

I’m going to have to rub my junk with sandpaper to rid myself of the pain.

by BearKing on Aug 2, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

Misery loves company.

"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

by PhutureKings on Aug 2, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting: When you google Ailene Voisin

Sactown Royalty in the fourth item that pops up. Seems her life is more than somewhat intertwined with STR at this point no matter the outcome of the ban.

by Koontz on Aug 2, 2010 4:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Orwellian

And since when is Doc Evans an expert on sportswriting or journalistic excellence?

Pullllllleeeeeeezzzzz!

Stay Thirsty My Friends

WONK
Etymology - origin unknown
Function - Noun
Definition - A person preoccuped with arcane details or procedures in a specialized field; broadly, NERD; especially someone young who focuses on one topic or subject to the near exclusion of all other topics.

by Natomaser on Aug 2, 2010 6:13 PM PDT reply actions  

I support this new "Voldemort Policy"...

“She who shall not be named….”

Actually, comparing her to Voldemort is an insult to Voldemort, but whatever….

by getPGwithbounce on Aug 2, 2010 8:16 PM PDT reply actions  

What really matters within reason

is what the player does on the court, or off the court that truly impacts the team. I am a basketball fan and I care about what goes on with the basketball team and its players, primarily while they play.

An isolated incident like Tyreke’s speeding or Nocioni’s DUI doesn’t cross that threshold. I don’t even think some of the issues Ron Artest encountered while in Sac crossed that line. He still brought it every night, and in his absence we lost 21 more games than in his last year.

I did feel Kevin Martin’s negativity drug the team down and impacted the Kings, and it was a breath of fresh air when he was finally dealt.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Aug 2, 2010 8:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Typical internet publicity stunt

When traffic gets low, or what ever the jargon is, the Ailene Voison ban will be violated.

Not a great writer but networks okay, doesn’t make things up, and sells the Sacramento Kings to the moms of Tel Aviv-Jaffa which is the only chance the Kings are going to stay in Sacramento. I don’t have the hate some of you guys do.

by Kevin.S on Aug 2, 2010 11:02 PM PDT reply actions  

"I don't have the hate some of you guys do"

Oh it seems like you have enough to go around.

by nbrans on Aug 2, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

typical sacramento

saying stupid and hate

It’s not like Sacramento is a mecca of knowledge.

Say what ever you want, it’s not like I drove 130 in a residential area endangering the lives around me.

by Kevin.S on Aug 2, 2010 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tyreke didn't drive 130 in a residential area.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 2, 2010 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tyreke didn't drive 130 in a residential area.

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by chenp22 on Aug 2, 2010 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well I don't know that they weren't.

But I also know nothing happened to any of them so really worrying about a potential incident is just recipe for madness. No thanks.

I have not once justified his actions. But at some point there comes a time & place where bullshit doesn’t work. That shit sailed quite awhile ago with regards to Tyreke and the reckless driving. His family shamed him over twitter, The franchise said publicly they were disappointed. Whomever said it isn’t a big deal have been fans. I will remind, again, that I’m not one of them. The franchise, though, has also decided, wisely, to not make an incident of this anymore than it is because there are mistakes and then are mistakes. A 20 year old kid making a dumb decision is not unheard of. Yes, I know he’s in the spotlight, but 20 year olds aren’t always savvy about things like that.

However, Tyreke Evans is a brilliant basketball player who did a lot of tremendous things as a 20 year old rookie. That shouldn’t be diminished because he made a bad judgment. It shouldn’t be ignored by the franchise and it hasn’t. Whatever has been said about the incident has remained, as it should, behind close doors. You can’t really run an organization with the public hoarding over your every move. This isn’t the government.

None of this changes the fact that A) Tyreke wasn’t driving 130 in a residential area, or B) has nothing to do with the thread itself about why TZ won’t post about Ailene Voisin on the front page.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 2, 2010 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

An Ailene Voilson column/article will be posted again here

As soon as there’s a “good reason” the ban will be violated.

Honest business is more about being a good accountant and meeting people than being the most knowlegable about the field. That’s why Voilson is going to stay.

by Kevin.S on Aug 2, 2010 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you haven't noticed.....

….community members can talk about her articles. They just won’t show up on the front page. Apparently you didn’t read the update.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 2, 2010 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

He didn't notice

He’s Kevin S, and he gets the Bee at 15% off when he uses his VISA card.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Aug 3, 2010 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

And apparently, he also

makes house music and looks like a huge douche.

"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

by PhutureKings on Aug 3, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think that you really posted 500 comments,

but you nailed the second part of your comment.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Aug 3, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Boom, roasted.

"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

by PhutureKings on Aug 3, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile

by Balky Needs on Aug 3, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Because Tyreke's the only shitty driver in the greater Sacramento area, right?

Maybe all of their names should be published and scrutinized as well?

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Aug 3, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know, I know

but her article today on Brian Wilson of the Giants?

‘a commanding presence’
‘charges like a bull’
‘packaged with his muscular, tightly colied 6-fott-1 physique and a withering, unforgiving stare’
‘his jersey opens at the collar and reveals’

Classic Voisin.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Aug 3, 2010 1:39 PM PDT reply actions  

And don't forget this doozy

‘his mouth said no, but his body said yes!’

#vfettkefordraft

by vfettke on Aug 3, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Late to the party but will throw my 2 cents

Agree with the policy and agree with the ultimate message that’s TZ is trying to send. I fully support it and for that reason will stay out of any discussions from any fanpost or fanshot that comes from any of Ms Voisin’s work.

The day I’m offended or don’t agree with the way this blog is run, is the day I will probably stop commenting. If you don’t like the way things are run in these parts, it is within your right to close the page and take your opinions elsewhere. Otherwise, I think it’s fair to state your opinion, but also understanding this is a private place (as many others have already written) and that TZ (as the head of this space) is also within his right to put in place any rules or policies he sees fit.

I’ve always said and I think it applies here as well, if you don’t like the rules or if the site doesn’t meet your high (or low) standards, the option of leaving and not coming back is always there.

"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims

by edm7 on Aug 3, 2010 10:18 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

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