Arena Deal Hits Deadline, But Work Continues Behind the Scenes
The Sacramento Bee's Tony Bizjak has a thorough update on the arena land-swap deal in today's paper. The news hook: today is the deadline for legislation to be introduced this session, and the principals will need a bill to approve selling Cal Expo, which is needed for the swap to go through. The problem: Cal Expo hasn't even decided if they are on board, especially with a skeptical consultant report in hand, a report that argues the current ARCO Arena site can't support a State Fair.
The good news (for local Kings fans, that is) is that the developer, Gerry Kamilos, is working hard behind the scenes to iron out issues. He's having a second consultant whip up a new report to temper the previous Cal Expo consultant's report. The new one, which Bizjak reports will be available in September, will almost assuredly argue that Natomas will work just fine. Is it cooking the books to get it approved by the Cal Expo board and the Legislature? Perhaps. But the effort is there, which is more than can be said for previous attempts to get a new arena built.
UPDATE: Check out AnotherStupidSN's informative comment on the subject. Sheds quite a bit of light of motivations here.
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The effort is there
I’m just not that confident the final product will be approved.
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No sweat.
Cal Expo is just playing their hand as aggressively as possible to keep feeling like they’re the ones calling the shots here. I’m not sure exactly what they’re still trying to extract from this process, but they know that they need a new fairgrounds and this is one way to do it, but also that the Kings/Kamilos are completely reliant on Expo’s cooperation in this to get what they want.
I won’t bother looking up the old links right now (pre-coffee), but I recall that the findings of the Expo consultant’s report came out a while ago, and it did say that the Arco site is too small for a fairgrounds, but that was based on moving the entirety of the current fair footprint to Natomas, including a massive amount of parking space and sprawling open land. Build a parking garage, build vertically, and eliminate superfluous space and it should fit just fine. Also, there is some additional land adjacent to the Arco site that can be added to the usable space there… perhaps Expo’s power play now has to do with getting them a sweeter deal on that land?
In any case, all parties involved see the benefit of this plan. The only groups that really want it to fail are the “Taxpayer Advocates” that never want anything to get done. Expo will either help move this plan forward, or they will pursue their own plan of selling some of their land and using the money to build a new fairgrounds at their current site, which obviously would necessitate reducing the size of the fairgrounds footprint anyways, hence my cynicism regarding the cries of “we can’t fit in Natomas”.
As for the legislative deadline, it mentions in the article that there are procedural ways to get the plan passed in the Legislature even if it isn’t introduced by the deadline today. Anyone who’s lived in or payed attention to Sacramento for any amount of time knows that the Legislature tends to not take deadlines too seriously. Plus, our State Senator from Sacramento happens to be Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg, who has said he’d be willing to sponsor the bill. I feel pretty good that he’d be able to push that baby through when he gets the chance.
No one said this process was going to be easy, and there will continue to be bumps and hurdles along the way, but I, skeptic that I am, am still optimistic that this is going to get done.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Aug 20, 2010 6:14 AM PDT reply actions 17 recs
Gut and amend.
It’s a possibility that a bill that has already been introduced, but thought to not be able to be passed by either (or both) houses, can be re-written to address the arena deal. This is casually known as a gut-and-amend bill because a current bill’s language is scrapped, and then amended to include something else.
I believe you've nailed it, ASSN
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This is intelligent, well-reasoned, and thought-provoking, but I’m going to “rec” it anyway.
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Some extra reading
To see a little bit of what I’m talking about, read this interview of Cal Expo Board Chair Gil Albiani by blog Bleed Black and Purple from 5/7/10. Here’s one quote in particular from Mr. Albiani, regarding the separate study that Expo is looking at to sell some of their land and build a smaller fairgrounds on the current site, that convinces me that the size issue in Natomas will be worked out:
There is 350 acres. If you cut the fair down to 200 acres, it gives you 150 acres that you could develop to generate revenue to improve the 200 acres. That is being studied right now.
200 acres is pretty close to 185 acres, no? If they’re serious about cutting the fair down to 200 acres at the current site, they don’t scare me much by saying that 185 acres in Natomas is not big enough. Something that I forgot to mention in my previous comment regarding the size of the fairgrounds is that the Expo study suggesting the Arco site is too small includes all of the space that the horse track takes up at the current site. Albiani mentions in the interview that Cal Expo is willing to give up the racetrack as long as they recoup the $2 million that it brings them annually. Not a big deal. No racetrack plus less sprawling parking space equals a much smaller fairgrounds footprint.
Albiani also talks a bit about the additional land adjacent to the Arco site that he’s got his eye on to give Expo a better “window” onto Arena Blvd, which is what I think most of the wrangling going on is really about. Again, all parties involved can see that this plan can be a very good thing for them, they’re just trying to work out just how good. As Mr. Albiani says:
Just because we have a separate agenda, doesn’t mean we can’t all row the boat in the same direction.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Aug 20, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Also
Here is some previous discussion of the interview when it was fanshotted by Aykis a few months ago.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Aug 20, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Okay, one more
This article in the Bee from 5/16 talks in detail about the Expo study that says the Arco site is too small, including a great graphic that shows the adjacent land I’ve mentioned and a great acreage breakdown. They include 100 acres for the racetrack and all 130 acres for parking that they have at the current site. Again, this isn’t about the Arco site being too small. I really believe that they’ll work out a deal for some of the adjacent land and the Expo Board will be ready to move, Steinberg will do his politician thing and amend a bill to approve the sale of Expo, and the Convergence will commence. Thank goodness they don’t need to put it on a ballot.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Aug 20, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Would like it to happen but, NO WAY
Let’s be realistic here. Why in the world would Cal Expo agree to move to a site half the current size with a bunch of flat land with out even a single tree or viable fair building. There is nothing there except an old arena up on a hill. That’s not a fairgrounds and to make it a fairgrounds would take millions of dollars and time. If there is enough money in the Cal Expo land to build an NBA quality arena and a new fairgrounds from scratch, why in hell would Cal Expo just not sell/develop a 10-15% of their current site and stay put. They don’t need $500 million to renovate the exisiting fairgrounds. Geez, I’d be willing to bet $25 million would do wonders to the current site. I love the Kings and the Fair but this deal is a non starter for the Fair.
Umm you do realize there are trees there – What do you think all those green spots are
They do it so they can sell their old land off for a [premium by right outside of Midtown Sac, right nect to the river.
As far as money goes, they will have plenty from selling off Cal expo land to build a new state fair, and also they can get government reinvestment dollars when they rebuild it in Natomas..All that creation of jobs where the new places are going up off Exposition, new fairgrounds in natomas and new Arena complex at railyards
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That's funny
because the Cal Expo Board has never said that “this deal is a non starter for the Fair”. With all due respect to your expertise, I don’t think the Expo Board would have let the negotiations and studies go on for this long if they didn’t see how the plan benefits them. Maybe they never considered your “no trees” angle.
It’s already been mentioned that they are also studying the possibility of selling some of their land and using the money to rebuild the fair on the remaining land, and the bottom line is that they’ll either decide that they’re getting a good deal with the Convergence Plan or they’re not. I haven’t seen anything from anyone credible yet that says the plan is ultimately unrealistic.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Aug 20, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I saved my thoughts for the sacbee comments section
something I usually try to avoid.
I’ve said it all here many times before.
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With only one lane
going from Cal Expo to the freeway you can bet I’ll never get caught trying to get out of that place. Basically, if the relocate to cal expo I’m done going to games. It would be some kind of nightmare experience. Think I’m wrong? Have you ever tried to get out that place when something ends like 4th of July Fireworks show or the fair closing?
Easy there, Rambo
The deal has the arena going to the railyards, Cal Expo going to Natomas, and the current Cal Expo land being re-developed.
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Doesn't the railyard have the same problem?
Natomas has three exits to freeways and for the most part works quite well.
Infrastructure
The plan would include additional thoroughfare to and from the railyard site.
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Natomas?
Isn’t the railyard downtown and right next to I-5? Very easy to put in direct freeway access points.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
the railyards have
I-5, 50, and I-80. Plus light rail and tons of resturants and hotels. Jeez.
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Aug 20, 2010 3:57 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No the railyards are only close to 5
But getting to 160 wouldn’t be that bad and there will be light rail options that don’t exist at the current Arco. This arena is only going to be slightly less car friendly, but that’s a good thing IMO.
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If I can take the Light rail that’ll take longer but be a bit cheaper.
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A lot longer, but yeah.
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The 160 is close
should be easy to jump onto North B and shoot over to 12th or go up 7th to Richards and merge on there. They already have a connector to Richards on the other end by the 5 that’s gated off right now.
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by lietothegirls on Aug 23, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
(sigh)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Aug 20, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Have I mentioned how glad I am that this plan isn't going on a ballot?
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Aug 20, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Why?
Just because of the overwhelming evidence that even people who claim to be interested in the story and outcome still don’t understand even the most basic facts, such as where the entertainment complex will ultimately be located?
Stupid elitists and their command of the facts. GO BACK TO RUSSIA.
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by andy sims on Aug 20, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hey man I don't want these Fat Cats in the Capital deciding to spend our hard earned tax dollars on a lousy team
Oh and there’s nothing wrong with Arco arena. I refuse to allow them to push another bill through that takes money away from the schools!!

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by kangsfan on Aug 20, 2010 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
So heres my thing about Natomas and Cal Expo moving there
..I sure hope they end up building an indoor place for the music acts for the fair..there is a ton of houses and condo’s that are pretty close and with the noise that the fairs put out, I can see a lot of complaints in the future. I can hear fair acts as far away as Fulton (Barely at that point). Where the stage is set up for Cal Expo is way farther then where they could be set up for Natomas. I know people will say ..But Arco’s been there how long..Arco is enclosed which traps sound..Cal Expo isn’t. There has been complaints about sound outside of the fair for years, just worried how Natomas will take it
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It's be a shame if during the two weeks of the fair, residents nearby had the overwhelming traffic noise of Interstates 5 & 80 drowned out for an hour by Weird Al.
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by andy sims on Aug 20, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hey I wouldn’t be one of them I am just sayign with as many Cal Expo noise complaints there are now, expect a lot more in Natomas, as they would be closer then the residents are currently.. And Weird Al ROCKS!

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With concert noise, it'd make it tougher to hear your home being invaded.
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Gee there is political posturing going on with politics Shocking!
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by marc1988 on Aug 22, 2010 10:25 AM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Awesome.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Aug 22, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
it all makes sense now
Thanks and rec’d for demonstrating one of the major hurdles facing this project.
by betweentheeyes on Aug 22, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Somebody please educate me
Okay, I get that the Arco 2.0 is no longer a “viable” venue for major league sporting events, or at least so sez the NCAA and Kevin Johnson.
I also understand that Arco 2.0 was built at a relatively less expense-per-square-foot ratio than some of its contemporary brethren (Orlando, Honda, HP). Thus, Arco has not held up as well, and some of its current design characteristics militate against a gut-and-rebuild similar to what was done down at Oakland.
Granted all that, I have to ask…
Why the railyards?
Given Sacramento’s track record of not-finishing or half-finishing major infrastructural projects (Capitol Towers, Cal Expo, and RT Metro all immediately come to mind), what gives anyone here any confidence that this railyard project will actually come out to anything close to what is being discussed?
And considering the complexity of this financial three-cushion shot with reverse English, aren’t we as a community just being set up for failure here?
Maybe I’m just being naive here, but if the Maloof family was looking for an actual solution to the issue, then the best move for them, and for the community, would be to privately finance a replacement for Arco Arena on the current Arco Park footprint.
Because right now, it looks a lot to me like they are looking for a brand new arena that they will control, but one in which they wish somebody else to foot the bill for construction and infrastructure.
This whole three-way land swap is making Q and R look simple by comparison, and if this thing goes to the voters, it’ll get shot down – and deservedly so.
So what am I missing here?
Those who walk on eggshells rarely leave footprints.
A few things
Start by reading this, a good article on the basics of the plan.
Building a replacement for Arco on the current Arco Park footprint is still hypothetically an option, and was one of the other plans proposed to the City (the City has since decided to move forward exclusively on the Convergence plan, but if the Convergence fails at some point there may still be a chance to shift efforts to one of the other plans, if they appear feasible). What made the Convergence plan stand out amongst all of the proposals was that everything had been figured-out to make it work, though as you say it is complicated and involves more parties and moving parts than you would like to have at work in something like this. The major advantage of this plan is that there is major private financing for the development lined-up, based on the potential returns of the investment from the land at the current Cal Expo site that is to be developed. That’s a huge carrot to lure private financing that isn’t there for the Maloofs to use to convince investors to help them build an arena in Natomas (assuming the Maloofs aren’t able to invest the 500 million-ish on their own, and assuming that they would not be able to get much public assistance).
The City would donate their chunk of land next to the railyards on which to build the arena. The Maloofs would then lease the arena for $300 million over 30 years, at which point the arena is fully owned by the city. The Maloofs would also pay off the remainder of what they owe on the old loan from the city. As to your concern about the community being set up for failure, I’m not really sure what you’re getting at. The city has some land by the railyards, and the rest of it is privately owned. There will be some kind of development at some point, after decades of figuring on what to do with all that land and how to do it. The Convergence plan would give us a shiny new arena with a professional team tenant for at least 30 years and all of the development around it that is spurred by the presence of the arena. Without the Convergence plan, we maybe get a Walmart and a bass fishing superstore to go along with the new transit hub that is planned on being built there either way. If the Convergence is agreed upon and moves forward and then somehow fails or stalls at some point, as you fear, then I assume the City still maintains control of it’s railyard land and the privately-owned land there eventually gets developed with something else. Maybe the failure of the Convergence plan would delay the building of a sparkling new downtown Walmart and waste a few million dollars in consultant fees, but it seems to me to be worth the risk. Again, I’m not really sure what you’re afraid of with this.
Finally, possibly the best part of the Convergence plan is that it does NOT need to go to the voters. The City Council will have to designate the current Cal Expo land as a special tax zone so that tax revenue from the new development there could be used to fund the building of the new Cal Expo in Natomas, so there would probably be a few contentious City Council meetings packed with NIMBY-types who would honestly rather have the Walmart and the fishing store than the arena anyways, but the actual vote should be no problem.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Aug 22, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sounds complicated and difficult, we should just forget it.
Yeesh…
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I am again impressed with your ability to write so coherently on this subject ASSN
and yet, you still fail to address DMC’s headband. Rec’d anyway.
by betweentheeyes on Aug 22, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Having read the BizJournal piece...
I have to confess to still being less than optimistic about a plan of this complexity coming together.
The primary reason for that is that, for this plan to come together, it will require action from both the CA state legislature AND from the Sacto City Council. While the CA state legislature can be brought to a certain viewpoint (given the right $ and the right people), the future actions of the Sacto City Council are almost impossible to predict.
About the only sane member of the city council, Robbie Waters, got voted out. The rest of them are just as likely to vote against the project just to spite KJ for trying to ram the Strong Mayor initiative through over their objections.
I’m not saying this is impossible, but it seems to me like the Convergence plan is borrowing potential sources of trouble from several different unrelated parties, while a much more feasible option (rebuild on-site at Arco) has gotten short shrift.
But then again, being a Giants fan, I’m also biased toward sports owners privately financing their own buildings.
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by SierraSpartan on Aug 24, 2010 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I haven't seen anywhere that the City Council is anything but fully supportive.
A new arena downtown that would spur development all around it is a good thing for the city, regardless of how the individual council members might feel about Mayor Johnson. The City Council already voted unanimously to enter into exclusive negotiations with the Kamilos group.
I have a feeling that no amount of links to news stories is going to make you not skeptical about this project for whatever reason, and the reality is that this plan could be derailed at any point by any number of things. I don’t think it’ll happen at the City Council level, though. In the Legislature, maybe, but I get the sense that Senator Steinberg will be able to attach it to something that he knows will get passed, scratch some backs if he needs to, and it won’t be an issue. The Expo Board could kill it if they feel like they’re not getting a good enough deal, but I think they’ll be successfully massaged enough to gain their agreement. We’ll see. I’m optimistic, but you’re certainly not alone in your skepticism.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Aug 24, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions

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