Sizing up the front court combinations
Entering the 2010-2011 season the front court of the Kings has changed dramatically. Gone is fan favorite, size and offensively challenged PF Jon Brockman and the slow to develop young Center, Spencer Hawes. Less weeping and hand wringing occurred than was anticipated. Enter veteran Center Sam Dalembert , rookies DeMarcus (Big Trouble) Cousins and Hassan (The Whippet) Whiteside. These personnel are added to the mix of holdover big men Jason Thompson and Carl Landry. Lttg finally got his wish and the 2010-11 Kings are now one of the biggest teams in the league.
So, wish granted, who starts? Who matches up better with who, and in what combinations should Paul Westphal run them out there? Five guys. Let’s take care of part of the problem right now and assume that Hassan Whiteside has a ways to go physically and considering our new depth, will see little but garbage minutes this coming season. [Of note is that during his Combine workout Hassan declared himself ‘a year away’ though he changed that tune after his 1st Kings tryout] So, Hassan spends this season primarily in the weight room (we hope) and we remove him from consideration of major minutes.
Left to us to consider for the 96 minutes at the power positions are the various combinations of
Samual Dalembert 6’11" 9.6rbs/1.8blk/8.1ppg in 26 minutes per game in 2009/10 with a career per36 a steady 11.4/2.7/11.1
Dalembert is in my opinion strictly a low post player on offense and an effective goaltender and defender against most NBA big men on D. On offense, in most game situations he needs a more offensive minded power player next to him. Though he vows he can and will do more offensively, he has been essentially a garbage cleanup man on offense so far in his career. He can throw down the easy dunks in a crowd pleasing way. (Can Sammy play PF in some matchups? Interesting question, he seems to have the athleticism)
Jason Thompson 6’11" 8.0/1.0/12.5 in 31 minutes a game with a per36 of 9.7/1.1/14.3
Plays both PF and Center. There is still a debate over which position suits or will eventually suit him better. I’m in the Jerry Reynolds C camp at this point. JT has all the energy any team would want but suffers from occasionally resembling Mikki (the lobster) Moore with his hands, has unrefined/indecisive finishing skills around the basket and is foul prone due to too much (again) hand usage on D. We love the guy, but my belief is that he thinks too much out there, that there’s really nothing wrong with his hands, his enormous feet or his shot – he just needs to keep his head clear. Some guys do put it all together. He’s a double- double guy on most night if he gets the minutes.
DeMarcus Cousins 6’11" rookie 9.8/1.8/15.1 in just under 24 minutes per game in college
Unknown if he can play PF at the NBA level. In top condition? I say sometimes. He’s got the footwork for it offensively. Big Trouble excited us all with his play in Summer league, he showed that he has a chance to become one of the most complete big men in the league. Inside, Outside, rebounding, passing, footwork . . . . Refining all those glimpses we’ve seen so far and keeping his health and head about him, he seems destined to be a multiple All-Star someday. But not this year, no way. He'll quickly learn he's not (yet) the biggest and strongest without even trying hard, will turn it over a lot and probably foul a lot. I think that this season come hell or high water he’s limited to about 20-25 minutes a game. So who to play him next to in those 20 + minutes? Hmmmmm
Carl Landry 6’9" 6.5/.6/18.0 in 37minuts with a per36 nearly identical of 6.2/.6/17.2
Carl is a smallish PF with a lot of skill, both in the low and high post. Crafty and sure handed around the basket on offense, he doesn’t have a great nose for the ball when it’s time to rebound. I have my doubts that Carl will ever average 8 rebounds a game even given the minutes. He has a decent mid-range jumper that he uses pretty well.
There is some speculation that Landry may get some minutes at the SF in a ‘big’ Kings lineup, but let’s not assume that occurs against many teams.
BUT - Just for the fun of it, (and because it’s my post), I’ll preview and say that against LA my lineup would be Dal vs Gasol, JT vs Bynum and Landry on Odem. I like our new matchups against them, and wonder if any other team in the West counters them better (?). Omri and/or Donte’ match up well against Matt Barnes and I’d switch off Tyreke and Cisco on Kobe and hope for the best. Beno owns Fisher.
To get back to business: My choice here is Dalembert as Starting Center. Sammy is a veteran in his prime, a proven defender and we’re not paying him all those big bucks for nuthin’. Carl Landry, who can play high and low and is pretty effective at either, is my choice at the scoring PF most nights. My guess is that he’ll be more effective next to Steady Sammy than he was with Jason Thompson last season. I roll in JT as the 1st big man off the bench with either Dal or Landry. You lose some Defense or gain some offense and rebounding, depending. We plug Big Trouble in primary as a C across from JT or Landry and hopefully get pretty offensive to our opponents.
[Though I hate projecting minutes, it’s inevitable, so - ]
Sammy: 28 minutes
Landry: 30 minutes
JT: 25 minutes
Cousins: 13 minutes (at the beginning)
Lots of in and out, real savage like. I expect the 2010-11 Kings to be a top five or better rebounding team as TZ seems to back up with lots of great graphics and stats in his front page post found HERE and be top ten at points in the paint as well.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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I agree with your starters, but see minutes evening out a bit more
Dalembert (28)/Cousins (20)
Landry (28)/Thompson (20)
would be my rotation, with Whiteside coming in if foul trouble, injuries or garbage time allows. I think the biggest question is whether you can play Dalembert and Cousins together, because if you can, that opens a lot of possibilities (and makes it more likely you want to re-sign Daly next summer). In fact, against the Lakers, I’d go Daly on Bynum, Cousins on Gasol and Landry on Odom. I think Cousins and Landry play similar offensive roles as primary interior scorer, so you rotate them regardless of position difference.
I think Daly is athletic enough and strong enough to guard Gasol
Gasol is a slippery bastard, I don’t trust anyone else to cover him as well. As for Bynum, I chose JT by default as we’re just not sure what DMC can do defensively just yet and Bynum, though overrated IMO, is big, strong and obviously has more experience than Big Trouble.
No doubt though that the Sammy/JT combination is your guaranteed rebounding duo, but you wonder about scoring.
As for Landry and DMC being similar offensively, I’m not ready to make that call yet, but I do believe that DMC may be far superior offensively than anyone in just a year or two.
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by lietothegirls on Aug 24, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Good Post LTTG
I tend to think the separation between our big men is clearer than most, with two up and coming stars who will get major minutes, and three role players who will get the scraps.
Working off the idea that shot blocking is overrated, and defending the post, scoring in the paint and get boards is of primary importance, Carl Landry and DMC are too good to keep off the floor.
With both players you can consistently run pick and roll, use either out of the high or low post, throw to them for catch and finish. It is going to be fun to watch.
With JT and Sammy D, you have guys who lack fundamentals to play more than 20 to 25 minutes a game. I think guys here are over-thinking who complements who the best. Ultimately, the best players are going to get the most time on the floor and when it comes to the PF and C position those two are Top Hat and DMC.
My minute projection:
Carl: 36 minutes
DMC: 30 minutes
Sammy D: 20 minutes
JT or Whiteside: 10 minutes
No way JT averages a double/double. I think his low post touches will fall off dramatically, so he won’t be rebounding his own misses. And now he will have to compete for those gimmee boards with DMC and Sammy. I’d guess JT is good for about 5 boards a game next year, not much better than that.
I also think DMC is a slight favorite over Sammy D to be our starting center opening night. We drafted him to form a dynamic duo with him and Tyreke. Why delay the inevitable? DMC is going to take his bumps and bruises early on, and that will only make him a better player for our playoff run.
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I agree on who the starters are likely to be, but I see the minutes as much more even and a change in the air. I would say that for Center Sammy D starts, but only gets about half the minutes and not all season.
DMC comes in soon and stays long. Maybe not at first, but he stays longer and longer as the season goes on. By the end of the season DMC should be getting at minimum half of the minutes and starting.
I think the same is true for PF. Landry starts, but his minutes are limited to when Sammy D is on the floor. JT will play with DMC though that will depend on match ups and I think that we still see some wacky rotations…
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
The thing about DMC's minutes is
He didn’t even play 24 min/game in college. They’ll work on him on his conditioning, and I’ll imagine he’ll get better, but the fact that the NBA has a longer, more rigorous schedule and that Sammy D is there ready for big minutes as well, I don’t see DMC getting more than 20…
That's where I am
If Cousins wants the minutes he’ll have to get into the condition to earn them – and that’s a process. Something may have to give at the trade deadline if he plays well as all four merit (I think) significant minutes and The Whippet is looming for minutes in years to come.
It’ll be tough call I think but nothing to worry about until we’re a few months into the season.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Aug 25, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I think we are closer to agreeing than disagreeing
I think that DMC starts with playing less than 20 minutes per game and works up to half the minutes by the end of the season. I would say an average of 20 for the season could be about right.
That said, I would not be surprised if he is playing more than 24 and starting at the end of the season, but as stated it all depends on the conditioning issue.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Great stuff LTTG Reked
The only thing I differ with you on is JT at Center. He is tall enough and athletic enough, but I want my center to be a bruiser who can cause havoc inside, either offensively, defensively or both. I just don’t see JT doing that. He’s athletic, and I agree he is a double/double when he is on and gets the minutes. But he has never shown me that he can guard a legit center w/o getting in foul trouble, he’s not a stopper in the middle, and he can’t back other centers down in the post. With Sammy and Cousins, I just don’t see any need to play him at center. If he can’t earn enough minutes as Carl’s backup at PF, I don’t see any reason to keep him. (Although personally I like him at the backup power forward position, with a legit center clogging the paint behind him, and I think he will be better this season than last. A very, very solid backup 4)
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
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I choose Dali and Cousins
It makes good sense to start Dali at center. The only question is who should start at PF. Yes, Cousins may be slow for a PF, but who cares. I want the two most talented big men (overall) in the post. Landry is an offensive machine, but that’s all, IMO.
Sorry JT. I backed you in front of others who despised you. Why they did, I dont know. But the grass is greener on the other side in this case.
"......but Curry had a better TS%"
I agree with you
Simply because of the mid range jumper that Cousins showd during the predraft workouts and the post up moves he showd during the Las Vegas games.
Also, I think Cousins is the only big man on the Kings current roster that I would use with Tyreke to run pick and rolls with.
Question:
What is the likelyhood we sign Landry next year? I say 25-40%. If that is the case, let’s develop Cousins right from the start.
I guess the same question could be asked about Dali, but I want him to play center so he can show Cousins how to do it.
"......but Curry had a better TS%"
It is time for Dali
Not for Cousins this year. We can dilly about Sammy after the trade deadline as we are talking in the abstract.

by betweentheeyes on Aug 25, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I shoulda added the poll from the beginning
It sure look like it will be Sammy and Landry running away with it. I’d guess that’s what the Kings staff is predicting as well.
I wonder if training camp and preseason changes anything?
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I doubt it unless JT makes a marked improvement on his inside game over the summer.
The coaching staff pushed DMC pretty hard during VSL. Enough for them and DeMarcus to both realize that he’s not going to get in NBA game shape by the start of the season. At least not enough to play starters minutes for 82 games. But, even more importantly I think, is that for all of Cousins skill, defense isn’t his strongest one. He’s going to have to get a lot better to beat out Dalembert on the defensive end of the court. And, PW will always go with the strongest defender when push comes to shove.
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Oh I agree on several items there
JT: Unless he develops a consistant post-up game (he hasn’t so far) I just don’t see him starting barring injury. Just a few simple and effective post-up moves would do wonders for his game. He’s almost certainly a better defender than Cousins at this point though. He showed signs of almost figuring things out last season on that end and exposure to Sammy’s game might help a lot.
Although Cousins’ defensive ability is still a question to be answered, for all his apparent offensive and rebounding potential, I have a hard time seeing him becoming a starter this season for both conditioning and experience reasons. If he played well enough for that to happen with the rest of the frontcourt personnel we have this year - wow, we’d be pretty happy fans.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Aug 27, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Landry makes a great 6th man
He’s proven it with his time in Houston. So, I think we either need to start JT or DMC at the 4. I’m not worried about his conditioning at all due to the competitive fire I saw in him during the VSL. If my read is right, he’s working out right now trying to prepare his body for the grind of an NBA season.
Also, against the Redacted, I really don’t see the point in starting Landry at the 3. Donte is 6’11" and I don’t think he’ll have a problem matching up with Odom (who, btw, I still can’t believe is on the Team USA Roster, and not just because he’s on that God forsaken team). Landry’s game is in the low post, and with Dali/DMC, Dail/JT, or DMC/JT on the floor, it would be hard for him to get there playing the 3. Let Omri and Donte have those minutes while Landry comes off the bench to make the Redacted big men work on defense or tear up the bench bigs.
yup, with you on this one
Donte (and even Omri) can match up with Odom just fine. Landry off the bench with space in the post is a much better scenario.
" 1 + 1 = 3 " - David Kahn
No one had more competetive fire last season than Omri, and he didn't finish the season all that well
and he has a lot less body fat the Cousins. I have no doubt that DeMarcus will see some minutes at PF even if PW says that he doesn’t think Cousins can defend that position. But, it will be situational, baring injury to Landry or JT.
Besides Cousins is a 5, and with Sammy on an expiring contract, DeMarcus only has maybe one season before he might have to take over the starting role. And, we have at least 4 other players who can play the 4, so DMC is going to see 20-26 mpg at the 5. If he can give us that many solid minutes for 82 games even off the bench, he’ll still be in the running for ROY.
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