30Q: Will Paul Westphal's Rotation Be Consistent?
We're asking 30 questions about the Kings' 2010-11 season.
One of the major grievances among Kings players last season was that they felt they never knew what to expect in terms of playing time. Coach Paul Westphal tried a ton of different starting lineups -- some 16 different players got at least two starts, and Tyreke Evans, Kevin Martin and Carl Landry were the only full-time starters. Some players, like Sean May, bounced between solid minutes and DNP-CDs. Others, like Spencer Hawes, bounced in and out of the starting five.
Whether it was an actual problem was never settled. Westphal maintained he kept things fluid to give the team its best chance of winning. The aggrieved players said they needed some peace of mind. Many fans complained about the volatile rotation. But nothing was really ever settled.
Are things going to be different this year?
Why was the rotation so volatile in 2009-10? A big part was, honestly, a lack of talent, especially in the frontcourt. May and Hawes weren't productive enough to lock down starting jobs. Both are gone, and the talent level in the frontcourt has greatly improved. In the backcourt, there was starting line-up volatility because Westphal tried everything he could to use Beno Udrih as a sixth man. Eventually, after trading Kevin Martin and seeing how rusty Francisco Garcia was, Westphal had to use Beno as a starter.
But I don't think the volatility is going away.
The small forward position remains unsettled. Before Summer League, assistant coach Mario Elie told me the staff is looking for either Donte Greene or Omri Casspi to lock down that starting small forward spot. That's a great thing to want. But how likely is it that one will outplay the other enough to be the undisputed starter all season? These two players are so evenly matched, so important in their own ways that I find it likely the horse race will be a back-and-forth affair all year. And I think that means each gets at least 10 starts.
What about Beno and Garcia? A consensus is growing that Westphal will at least try an Evans-Garcia backcourt, whether in preseason or through the start of the regular season. What if it doesn't work? What if Evans needs the ball-handling help? We could see volatility there.
The frontcourt is a tray of confections, all delicious in their own way. The combinations are endless. Is it reasonable to think the opening night combo -- say, Landry and Dalembert -- will last all year? Doubtful.
It seems clear the volatility in minutes and the rotation we saw in the 2009-10 season will return. Of course, the difference is that Westphal now has options, which is actually a good thing.
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I believe there will be changes in the starting line up this year, but for different reasons from last year.
Like you said, much of the turmoil last season was due to lack of talent. This year, I think any volatility in the lineups will be due to match-ups and improved play. We have more talent this year.
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by Kfan in Korea on Aug 27, 2010 6:10 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
A little problem I had with Westphal last year was that he often reacted instead of acted
with regards to his rotation. He would react to what the opposing coach was doing or how opposing teams were playing and that would guide his hand. A lot of this wasn’t his fault, as he had to deal with a bunch of young players and the loss of the two highest scorers from previous years.
This year he needs to set the tone so that other teams react to the Kings. With such a deep frontcourt this could be vital. I also think we’re going to see some experimentation with Dalembert guarding Power Forwards to try to pair him up with DeMarcus at times, because the team will want him getting minutes, although probably not nearly as much as Tyreke got last year.
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by Aykis16 on Aug 27, 2010 6:18 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I still expect a lot of lineups.
The Kings still only have legitimate starting talent at Center, Power Forward, and Point Guard. Our options at the 2 (Beno, Cisco) would make capable backups on a good team, but are strictly “it could be worse” as starters.
The same can be said at Small Forward. Neither Omri or Donté is a legit starter, although unlike Garcia and Udrih, I have very little doubt that at least one of them is going to grow into the role.
I’d put it this way: The 3 of our bright future is already on the roster, the 2 of our future glory days is not.
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by andy sims on Aug 27, 2010 6:41 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree about the 2 but...
I think it is a little early to make an assessment on either Casspi or Greene- especially Casspi. Beno is a quality #3 guard and Garcia is fine as a #4 IMO but as the #2 and #3 options, I know that they are not of the same quality as the front line. My only guess here is that the Kings feel like Evans is so good in the back court that they didn’t need to go out and add a better option.
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That's a point not made often enough
the Kings feel like Evans is so good in the back court that they didn’t need to go out and add a better option.
You don’t need an AllStar at every position. Even on great teams, some (at least 1, often 2) of the starters are essentially quality role players. That’s assuming you do have a couple of All-Star quality guys out there as well of course. It’s not only really hard to get top 10 guys at every position logistically, it’s also financially a near impossibility.
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by lietothegirls on Aug 27, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good call
I often have this thought whenever there’s a discussion about whether or not Cisco should be our starting two. The reality is we’re likely to have another lottery pick after this season, so the “build through the draft” strategy could yet fill out our Future Backcourt of Glory, whether that’s a starting 2 that makes Beno our 6th man, or a great backup that puts Beno in the starting lineup. No need to feel like we’ve got everything hammered-out yet at this point in the rebuild.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Aug 27, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't agree with your Beno assessment.
Beno was our only constant last year. Game In! Game Out! Did you watch all year last year? What does he need to do for you? Tyreke had better stats when Beno was in. Beno would push the ball down court more than Ty ever did. Made many pull up jumpers when stopped. Dished to open players when stopped. He made things happen a lot. When he came in from off the bench, he brought us back into the game when we were behind in points. Beno made the Kings a lot better last year! He kept us competitive!! Again, I don’t understand were you guys don’t see his value. He played great last year and I’ll say it again. He was our only constant!!!
Beno was "our only constant" on a 25 win team.
I like Beno. I’m one of the few who wanted to give him another shot at the beginning of last season but on a good NBA team, he is more like a 3rd guard and not a starter. The Kings need to improve either the PG or the SG position (which ever Evans is not playing) for the long term. For today, with a young roster that probably isn’t going to make the playoffs, Beno is fine. If the Kings want to go further than the 10th or 11th best record in the West, they are going to need someone better than Beno Udrih in the starting line-up. Beno can still be a valuable member of the team, but as a back-up. Same goes for Garcia.
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by jjham15 on Aug 27, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And you can't blame him for only 25 wins.
We were and still are a young inexperienced team. They don’t chalk up wins. Experienced teams do that. Did you see him play this past year? I feel he can only get better as we improve, too. I do feel his best days are still ahead of him. Surround him with experience players as he will these coming years, I like his drive and push of the ball. Yea, his a no name player. But so were many others at one time.
It just doesn’t happen over night. You can’t just judge by the W’s at this point in time. But for being in last place the year before, we competed strong and had a “never quit” attitude throughout the year. Most games were very close to the very end even against Playoff teams. Established veteran teams have learned how to win in the end. We got a super young team. You expect this age of a team to have bigger numbers in the W column are super unrealistic. Beno played Great! He’s not the reason for the low win count. He was our Bobby Jackson last year! And again, he complimented Ty very well. They are a good back court!!
I really enjoyed Beno last year and I am in no hurry to replace him
but at the same time you are completely ignoring how much of a defensive liability he is. I guess we’ll see how much nicer it will be with some big guys up front protecting the rim but I am going to hold off until I see him play in a few games with Dalembert and Cousins.
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by wallywagon11 on Aug 27, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
You may be right.
I guess I don’t notice that side of a player much unless he comes up with something spectacular the way Ty did last year. I can’t say I remember any big defensive play from him. But his offense was hungry and I didn’t find him waiting on the defense to set up. He played well and I believe with Ty having the one year under his belt they will be a lot better duo together. And not that they were bad!
And if Garcia can regain his hops he had prior to his injury, I don’t mind Beno coming off the bench. He and Pooh would be outstanding sparks off the bench ala Bobby J. We could be solid on the backcourt if Jeter pans out the way he looks on Youtube. Yea, I don’t see the value of replacing Beno either. Too much of a solid cog in the wheel. It just seems many don’t find him that valuable. I sure did.
Bobby Jackson was our 3rd guard
Which would make your argument invalid if you are going to use him as an example.
I didn't blame Beno for anything.
But Beno was a bad player on a horrible team that won 17 games 2 years ago and a decent player on a 25 win team this last season. It will be interesting to see if Beno can be a decent player on a decent team or even a decent player on a good team but that is not something that we know. We do know that he was an irrelevant player on a really good San Antonio team but again, that isn’t really fair either.
I hope you are understanding my point. Beno is not a bad player and you can like him or love him but he has not proven in his career that he can make a team substantially better whether that team be a good team or a bad team. He has limitations both athletically and defensively. What he does do well for the most part is hit mid range jumpers, use his screens well, pass effectively and score off the dribble either in space or at the rim. He is a very nice complementary player today but most likely the Kings will need a better player in his position when they take the leap from 35-38 win team (hopefully this season) to 45-50 win team (hopefully next season).
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A decent player on a 25 win team . . .
Your looking at the “wins” again. It’s not a fair barometer for a team as young as these Kings were last year. But I have to remind anyone who didn’t watch all of last years games. You could count on 1 hand where the “young inexperienced” Kings were blown out last year. Every game was lost in the final minutes. Even all the playoff teams had trouble beating the "No Quit" Kings". Remember us playing Boston? The Lakers? Denver? Phoenix? Sorry but those teams were worried right up until the end of the game that they were gonna be beat by the last place Kings! We had the second Biggest comeback in NBA history. 2 Laker games came down to the last shot by Kobe and the other was after 2 overtimes. And if Beno wasn’t as consistent as he was throughout the year, I wouldn’t be able to restate that fact. And you kind of did blame Beno with the headline, "Beno was “our only constant” on a 25 win team." You are using “wins” to judge his effectiveness with a Very Young team. Wins are not going to happen at this stage of development.
I understand some of your poiints and views but … I agree, San Antonio wasn’t fair because of who he was playing behind. So why bring it up?
And with so many close wins with a very young team, he did “make a team substantially better” by being consistent every night. Sure he’s small. And his defense is not as good as most, I guess. But when the points mattered, he would score and keep us close. And the things you mentioned he did well, all lead to points that ultimately lead to wins. Not last year because of the inexperience around him. It’s not expected. It would have been great but not realistic. And I always felt we were one good player away from a lot of those wins last year. Now we have many possible answers that could be that player and more experience to boot. I just think you are not seeing what he has provided. Surround him with veterans, I bet his even better. Like any good player would be.
Will Beno sulk if he doesn't start?
No one has talked about this, unless I missed it somewhere. Will he see it as a demotion and complain? He did just quit the Slovenian team because he was unhappy with his role, which was to back up Jaka Lakovic. I don’t know, but it will be interesting to see.
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by outrider on Aug 27, 2010 6:45 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Beno was held out of the 1st game last season, if I'm not mistaken
and he only started 41 of 72 games last season. And, probably 10 of those starts were because Tyreke was injured. He knows that Tyreke is the man and the starting PG, and PG is his primary position. If he gets his 30 mpg off the bench, I doubt if he’s going to complain to PW too much if at all.
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by HighTops on Aug 27, 2010 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Backing up Evans > backing up Lakovic.
Sure, Evans is only a rookie, but an NBA rookie who can put up 20-5-5 numbers commands a lot more respect than a guy averaging 6 points a game for FC Barcelona. I’d be unhappy about the Slovenian team situation, too, if I were Beno.
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by napg on Aug 27, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
On top of that, national teams put a lot of emphasis on tenure
and beno probably felt like he earned that starting slot for all the time he’s already committed to the national team over his career
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PW is evolving as a coach
After the Hawes incident he did become more aware of the feelings of the players and he did stabilize his rotations, somewhat. And, although there wasn’t a marked improvement in the end results, the team did make improvements together. Throw in the added depth on the frontcourt, and I think his need to manipulate the rotations to improve the defense won’t take control of his decision making.
Also, with the slightly easier start to the season, if the starters play well and put a string of wins under their belt the need to go searching for a more successful rotation won’t be there. Although if he does start to mix up the rotations, I doubt if anyone on the team openly criticizes him.
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by HighTops on Aug 27, 2010 6:46 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
In a word, no.
I think that the starting line-up and rotation “pattern” will be in flux for the first half of the season and will settle down after that. And while it drives us crazy to watch, I believe there is a method to the madness.
The method? Put young players into different line-ups to see how well they do in various offensive and defensive schemes, and against different match-ups to see where they can be most effective.
This is really the last year Westphal has the luxury of low expectations to do that. Nobody but the most optimistic of homers believes that we have even an outside shot at the playoffs in 2010-11. But next year, if the goal isn’t to get there and not be one and done, there will be blood.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Aug 27, 2010 6:56 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I think you are on to something here.
By using multiple line-ups while mixing in the young guys, Westphal leaves the door open for a second half of the season move that includes Cousins as a starter. It won’t be such a huge insult to “lose your starting spot” if there are no defined starters. I prefer a set line-up with set line changes to maximize continuity but that doesn’t seem like Westphal’s style.
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was as an extension of the practices. Between that and the Valium, I managed to not go hoarse screaming at the television.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Aug 27, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think we'll have a solid starting 5 all year, but I expect much more rotation stability than last year.
I think this year will have much less of the “experimenting” that we saw last year (Sean May as Center, the Beno-’Reke combo, JT as Center, etc.), partially due to personnel changes but also because some of the uncertainties of last year have been sufficiently answered. Yes, Beno and Tyreke work rather well together in the backcourt. Yes, JT is probably equally as effective at Center as he is at Power Forward (if not more effective). There is still the “Who Wants to be a Starting Small Forward?” gameshow going on, and there is the matter of deciding which combination of frontcourt confections is the most delicious, but I expect both of those questions to be approached with much more patience than the frantic “throw everything at the wall and see what sticks” methods that we saw last year.
I could see a fairly solid starting 5 playing-out the first half of the season (my guess is ‘Reke-Cisco-Omri-Dally-Landry), regardless of whether Donte is outplaying Omri overall or which of the frontcourt combos is emerging above all others. That way, we’ll have a solid sense of what we have on our hands by the trade deadline and go from there. If Boogie appears ready for a starting role by the middle of the season, maybe Dally or Landry are more likely to be shopped. If Cisco doesn’t look to be starting material, maybe we look harder for either a starting 2 if Beno is working well off the bench, or for a solid backup PG if the Beno-‘Reke combo becomes to tasty to resist. Maybe Donte gets a chance to play out the second half of the season as a starter, if Omri hasn’t solidified his position there by the middle of the season. The first half is “lets see what we got”, the second half is “okay, now we think we know what our best group of guys is, let’s see what they can do”.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Aug 27, 2010 7:00 AM PDT reply actions
I hope Westhpal sticks to a consistent rotation
Just for our sanity. Watching the Kings last year was like watching a game show. You didn’t know what was behind door number 3 and often times it wasn’t a brand new car.
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This is the question of the season.
Hopefully with a more experience, some more veterans (Landry, Cisco and Dalembert) and some more talent (Cousins), he can get consistent enough production to keep the rotation set.
It is sort of a chicken/egg scenario, however. Will the players be more consistent if they know their minutes are set? I think so. But if someone isn’t producing, their minutes should certainly be shortened.
I, for one, hope Westphal sticks with a pretty rigid rotation for the first couple months at least. I hope he will.
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by Ice_9ine on Aug 27, 2010 8:27 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Sidenote - I hope one of the future 30 Questions in the series is "After Hawes was traded away, who is going to make Tyreke's sandwiches?"
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Well, I am sure Peaches offered,
But if Evans ever got a girlfriend, Grant would probably poison him.
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by Ice_9ine on Aug 27, 2010 8:47 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Rotation madness... And some sanity.
Make the madness end, please.
LAST SEASON:
No established starter and many different line-ups
Center – Hawes, JT, May, Brockman,
PF – pre-Landry – JT, Brockman, Donte, Casspi
SF – Donte, Casspi, Udoka,
Stable positions with limited rotation: Established starter, though the backup for SG was wild.. Not saying Beno should be a starting SG, just that he was filling that role since PW stated Evans was PG and Beno started most of the games he played. I would almost create a third category just for SG as more stable, but unfilled by a true SG due to lack of talent.
PG – Evans/Beno
SG – Beno, Backup Donte, Casspi, Udoka, Garcia
PF – post Landry
I would say that there was only 2 of 5 positions with clear starter last year and that was PG and SG. Then came Landry to make it to make it 3 of 5.
This year : We are in much better shape.
Center – Starter as Dalembert
PF – Starter as Landry
SF – No starter but two clear prospects – Greene or Casspi
SG – No starter but two clear prospects – Garcia or Beno
PG – Starter as Evans
We still only have 3 of 5 clear starters because SG is now up in the air. Garcia either can hack it as a starter or not. If Beno gets back into the starting line up then we have 4 or 5. Also, with Udoka out it is clearer that either Donte’ or Omri get the start at SF. Either way that SG and SF go we are much more stable.
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The experimenting drove me insane last year
And what’s especially stupid about it is that the team didn’t end up settling into a lineup at the end of last season, and now there’s almost an entirely new roster. So what exactly was learned or gained by it except to drive the team crazy?
I think we learned some important things.
We learned a bit about how Beno and Tyreke work together. We learned more about JT’s versatility and his limitations. We learned that Spencer Hawes was probably not worth further investment. Some things were left unresolved. Neither Donte nor Omri claimed the starting SF spot heading into this season. JT still may or may not be a starter, and he may or may not be a Center. We most likely haven’t seen the full potential of a ‘Reke-Cisco backcourt (a fully healthy Cisco, that is). And now, as you mention, we have some new pieces to incorporate as well. To me, last season was a clear step into this season in many ways (hopefully, a step up), and if this season goes as planned, it will be another very clear step towards our future glory. If things don’t go as hoped, the status of the coach and many of the players will need to be re-evaluated after this season.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Aug 27, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't see how we WOULDN'T have learned how Beno and Tyreke play together
Given by midseason Beno was the only true point guard on the roster. And same with JT and Hawes – it’s not like they were real mysteries off the bench.
Season long experimentation is just dumb. At the end of the season you’re done experimenting, and then it’s time for a new season with a new roster and more experimenting. Great.
By the way
I think you’re right about the things that need testing, and I’m not opposed to experimenting at the start of the season. But at some point it’s time to make some decisions on a rotation and stick to it to allow the team to gel.
by nbrans on Aug 27, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
There are 9 guys who need significant minutes
by my count.
Tyreke, Beno, Cisco, Omri, Donte’, Dal, Landry, JT and Cousins. That leaves precious few for the rest of the team. Everyone knows its unusual to get past the ninth man barring injury.
I don’t really see a problem in the backcourt, Tyreke, Beno and Cisco will all get enough minutes to satisfy. My main concern (strangely) is the frontcourt minutes, especially if Cousins shines early. You always worry about some discontent blooming.
At some point, if things go as well as we hope for Cousins, something will have to give either at the trade deadline or next summer. Who will be the odd man out? Will Landry or Sammy or both be offered a new contract? Either might be a tasty mid season aquisition for a playoff bound team – but in exchange for what?
I think by Midseason either Omri or Donte’ (his 3rd year!) will probably be the consensus SF going forward. If not, there’s a real question as to whether that position needs to be addressed.
I do expect more stabilty early from PW barring injury, but things might change.
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by lietothegirls on Aug 27, 2010 9:52 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Minutes will be an issue in the post
I don’t think that is strange at all. While Dalembert is clearly the starting Center at this point a few things are very clear. Cousins is going to get as many minutes as he can handle and that leads to issues with Dalembert. He complained about averaging 20+ minutes before he came and by mid-season will probably be getting that here. I say he is gone after this season and would not be surprised at all by a trade pre deadline.
I don’t agree that either Omri or Donte’ win. I think that stay neck and neck all season. My thinking is that they both develop and there are times where either one would be better depending on the line-up. Donte’ is going to take on players who are super strong and Omri will take on the faster, quicker players. Their both talented enough to merit starting in different games for those reasons.
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The question is whether you can play Daly and DMC together at times
Because, if you can, you definitely try to keep Daly around as your interior defender and shotblocker (I know, it’s been so long since we’ve had one, we don’t remember that they’re actually useful!). Whiteside will hopefully get there eventually, and hopefully Cousins’ D inside will be solid, but neither can do what Dalembert does yet.
Right, don't pack Sammy's bags yet.
It could very well be Landry or JT who is the odd man out in the end. I myself have no problem having one frontcourt player who doesn’t light up the scoreboard. Defense wins playoff games. The question is whether either or both can guard the PF position.
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by lietothegirls on Aug 27, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised if Sammy and Boogie end up the starting 4 and 5...
with Landry and JT coming off the bench at 4 and 5.
Dali’s a perfect athletic defensive 4. He also should work as a defensive athletic 5 next to Landry at 4.
I would like to see Sammy defend Pau Gasol
That would pretty much tell us how good of a PF he can be and if that would work.
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Someone posted an analysis of that last year
When the rumour was we were getting him. It showed how he performed against the leagues better Centers. Maybe we can find it in the archives.
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by lietothegirls on Aug 27, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I found an list of ranked Centers, but not much else
I looked back at boxscores and in March of 2009 Sammy and Pau faced off as C to C. Gasol scored 25, 8 reb, and 3 blocks. Sammy only scored 3 points, 14 reb, and 2 blocks. Not exactly encouraging stats…
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Well, Dali did have a career high in points against the lakers in february, so yo ucant really base it on just one game, because there are many factors that go into how well a player performs one night.
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I looked at that game
Hard to evaluate it given Bynum starting at C. His knees were giving him a bad time last season and he only played limited minutes in a lot of games. Bynum had 29 minutes and Gasol had 41 so there was some overlap with Sammy’s 34 minutes. Just not easy to say much without have seen the game.
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I did watch that game, and that was before bynum injured his knee, and this was the time where bynum was finally pulling it together ( Like he does every season, right before he injures his knee)
At the time, Pau gasol wasn’t playing up to his standards and let sammy walk all over him, so I guess it isn’t really a fair analysis, but it does give some insight on how well sammy might be able to play on some nights; especially considering that he is a contract year
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Thanks
I thought he tweaked his knee earlier in the season as well as in the playoffs. I can’t keep track. This is his third knee surgery.
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Evolving team = evolving starters
Due to the lack of talent Tyreke Evans was thrust into the role of starting in the Kings backcourt as the 1. In a stroke of good luck, Evans was up to the task and produced a historic season.
DMC is not in the same situation and his star will rise on a different trajectory as he will be a part of a 5 (4 and Whiteside) frontcourt. He may end up a starter but he won’t begin as one. As his game improves he will go from soon to be starter to starter. He is the future.
The backcourt and the SF will be more of a shuffle (Reke excluded). Simply, Coach Paul has to figure out what he has before he can figure out how to use it. Expect the first few months to be somewhat of a carousel.
by betweentheeyes on Aug 27, 2010 11:13 AM PDT reply actions
Hopefully the rotation solidifies near or around the all-star break, that way the kings can make a nice push for thhe playoffs.
"Remember this sh*t at christmas!"-Terry Crews, The Expendables
I Don't Care or Think It Matters.
You play your strengths against your opponents weaknesses. If the match up isn’t good on paper, it more than likely is NOT going to be good on the court. You want to start strong!! If it doesn’t work, there’s the bench! It use to drive me nuts when Adleman would keep a cold starter “in” at the end of a game or even throughout the game. I don’t care HOW GOOD you are!!! If you are having an off night “And Everyone Does”, sit your ass down like a grown up and cheer your ass off for the bench player with the hot hand thats on the floor taking your Place!!! PW is such a welcome relief with that regard and I’m thrilled he does it!!! He takes out who not getting it done. A couch with vision DURING the game. Priceless!!!
I think your "!" key is broken.
If you get this riled up during the off season, I hate to see what you look like in a close game. I count 15 !’s and only 11 sentences. Back away from the key board….slowly….back away.
The world is not your Trade Machine.
-Ziller
by jjham15 on Aug 27, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Point well taken . . .
Yea, a nerve was expose there, wasn’t it? I would tend to yell at the TV / Coach when he’d have a cold shooting “whoever” in there. I guess I felt like a finally had an ear to bend. Excuse the vent. Thanks for listening!!!
But but but
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that was just for you
Founder of team Omté Caspeen
Yea, the "!" key wasn't broken. i do tend to lean on it a bit.
LOL! I gettin the point. I think it’s friendlier than all CAPS, no? At least that my attempt.
Kind of irrelevant on my part but I would just like to take the time to just say
I love Rick Adelman. He was awesome.
That’s it.
Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed
by wallywagon11 on Aug 27, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yea, I did too!!
Didn’t mean to sound like I didn’t care for him! He was Great!! But that part of his coaching bewildered me for a long time. It always felt like he didn’t want to hurt anyone feelings . . . except maybe mine.
I think it will be consistent...I would like to see...
Tyreke
Beno
Omri
JT
Cousins
I prefer the frontcourt pairings to be JT/Cousins, and Landry/Dalembert.
by getPGwithbounce on Aug 28, 2010 2:21 AM PDT reply actions
Z Cat
He can consistently play three future starters-slides Green into 3- Falco into 2- Consistently bring Omri-Beno spark off bench. You get 6-7 players playing consistently in same position/rotation. or continue driving players-yourself crazy . It pays off starting next year. But-You get 2 bingo players to fill in the holes…+ another decent draft pick. Trade 2 players…have some NM. jalopies sauce-I heard King bear from powder blue days is back!
hole=bingo players-need
S-1 Evans Beno
S-2 hole Falco
S-3 hole Green Omri
S-4 Landry Jason-8
S-5 Cousins Dalem

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