Potential trade thread: Carmelo Anthony
by gregsactly on Aug 28, 2010 11:52 PM PDT
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PrintIts dangerous for me to write a post about this whole situation, as posts like this could quickly become redundant. To avoid redundancy, a few rules:
1. this is not a place to argue whether or not you want Carmelo in a kings uniform
2. Dont make the argument that Carmelo does not want to be here or that you would take Carmelo only if he signs an extension. Been there, done that.
The question is simple: Assuming he wants to sign a contract extention with the Kings, who would you be willing to trade for Carmelo Anthony?
I dont believe my opinion is any more valuable than yours, but sinse my eliquent dicktion and xpert prose has u captivated, I will go ahead and share to get things started.
It's a widely held belief that to aquire Carmelo, it will take a combination of young talent, cap relief, and draft picks. By trading Melo for a player on their rookie contract, we can provide Denver with both young talant and cap relief. Because Carmelo would obviously be the starting SF going forward, I figure it would be safe to trade Omri or Donte. Because Donte has the potential to be a defensive stopper (something Carmelo is not), I give him the slight edge over Omri. I also believe Denver would find Omri more attractive than Donte (Omri is a more efficient scorer, and without Carmelo, Denver will need some help on that end of the floor)
The next person on my trading block is Carl Landry. Its no secret that we have incredible depth at the 4/5, so to minimize the negative impact felt by our team, It is time for us to part with one of our bigs. DMC is untouchable. Dalambert gives us the defense and rebounding we need. The choice is essentially between Landry and JT. I believe Landry is a more talanted scorer, and his expiring contract may make him very valuable to Denver. While JT is not as talanted a scorer as Landry, with the Melo-Reke-DMC combo, scoring will not be that big of an issue. Rebounding, on the other hand, could instantly become an issue if JT is traded away in a package for Melo. Carmelo has never been a very dedicated rebounder, and I worry about pairing him with Big Carl on the front line. DMC and Dalambert are great rebounders, but we cannot rely on them to carry our team. If JT is kept on our roster, we are still able to cement our place as one of the league's better rebounding teams.
My proposal would be as follows:
Kings trade:
Carl Landry
a 1st round pick, and a 2nd round pick
Nuggets trade:
Carmelo Anthony
(I would still accept a trade involving Donte/JT, effictively moving the entire cast of the Donte Greene show to the Mile High City, however a Omri/Top Hat combo is more favorable for us in my opinion)
New depth chart:
PG: Tyreke/Beno
SG: Garcia/Beno
SF: Carmelo/Greene
PF: JT/DMC/Whiteside
C: Dalambert/DMC/JT/Whiteside
(I wanted to post not-so-asinine in the title, but I am semi-new here, and I'm not sure if the asinine threads are all written by the same person... and to avoid making any enemies online, I decided to leave it out.)
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The only way I would do this is
Landry, 2011,2012 first round picks, and cash I wouldn’t even want to give up Omri or Donte.
Take what you can get Denver he’s breaking up with you anyway….
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Right, Slamson, because we would need Carmelo, Omri, Greene and Garcia at the 3.
As for you greg, I like the idea you’ve put forward, and I like more that you were the first to praise it.
I would suggest that it would be better for the Kings to try and keep Casspi rather than Greene, simply because I feel like Omri backing up Carmelo throws a very different look at opposing defenses, almost like bringing a lefty relief pitcher in after starting a righty.
But if the cost isn’t too far beyond what you’ve proposed, I’d sure as hell take a long look at it, assuming an extension is part of Anthony’s deal, of course.
I’m the first one to preach patience, because the plan is working. But this is the point where taking a big step could pay dividends, if it’s the right deal. This could be one of those instances.
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I'd probably rather keep Omri as well
But I think Denver would prefer Omri over Donte. He’s more marketable, and he’s probably a little better than Donté right now to be honest. I love both Omri and Donté, but Carmelo Anthony would be a huge upgrade over either of them. Its what it is.
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Nicely placed thread. Rec'd
As you don’t need to make the salaires work and DMC and RekeRoY are untouchable:
Talent: Denver is trading 2nd Team All-NBA, All-Star you need to give up at least two starters with favorable salaries. Omri, Landry are about it. You throw in 3 1st round draft picks. Yes, 3. (you buy draft picks or trade for them with Sammy or whomever and you hope Sac with Melo, Evans and DMC is a more attractive FA spot).
Otherwise you must broker a deal to somehow get an All-Star from another team, say David West from New Orleans or Kevin Martin from Houston (wow, he could join Billups and be another non creepy Nugget) to make this work. I know those salaries are onerous but I am just throwing out names.
Btw, I enjoy Donté but he is a salary throw in at best at this point. He has produced very little and thus has little value.
by betweentheeyes on Aug 29, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Denver would rather have Casspi, and I'd be ok with that
Melo will be logging MAJOR minutes at the 3. Donte is a little more versatile than Omri, and could still get his burn at the 4, or even the 2. Kinda like Hedo was back in the day behind Peja.
Yeah, that's where I'm at on this too.
Plus, I honestly still feel like Donté’s ultimate ceiling is higher than Omri’s due to his size and athleticism, even if Omri is the better all-around player today. Who knows though how close either of them will get to their ceiling, but considering Omri’s trade value is assuredly considerably higher than Té’s, I’d be willing to spend that value on a Superstar and hope that Donté continues to develop.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Aug 30, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Omri better.
But not as Melo’s backup….as weird as that sounds. I’d rather have Donte.
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by caseycheesecake on Aug 30, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
...who would you be willing to trade for Carmelo Anthony?
I like your proposal, and I would also consider Dalembert.
by getPGwithbounce on Aug 29, 2010 2:36 AM PDT reply actions
i agree with u greg
i like:
Kings trade:
Carl Landry
Omri Casspi
a 1st round pick, and a 2nd round pick
Nuggets trade:
Carmelo Anthony
I’d keep Donte for, again, his defense and versitility.
We might have to give up another 1st, but i’d hope it is one where we had made the playoffs, so I guess 2012 pick
I like this, it's gregsactly's post, but with typos added in for...I don't know...flair?
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by andy sims on Aug 29, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
do you think jr smith would be in conversation?
I know i don't know it all... its just what my parents call me
by Mr. Know it all on Aug 29, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
If 'Melo signs an extension,
I trade anyone not named Tyreke Evans or DeMarcus Cousins. I give the Nuggets the 4 assets of their choosing between players and future draft picks (though not consecutive 1st round picks).
Understanding that the Nuggets want prospects and salary cap relief, you can eliminate Dalembert, Udrih and Garcia from the trade (remember, the KIngs are so far under the cap, they really don’t need to throw in salary to make the deal work). You could probably also eliminate Landry, as he is not really a prospect and even at the paltry price of $3 million, is more expensive than the youngsters. Remember, the Nuggets are over the cap, so double whatever salary that they take back. On the other hand, if they felt that they could package Landry at the deadline with another big contract, maybe they have some interest in him.
So, Casspi and Greene, Thompson or Landry or Whiteside and a draft pick works for me.
Casspi or Greene, Thompson or Landry or Whiteside and two draft picks works for me.
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I disagree on the expirings
I think both Dalembert and Landry are of value. Both enable Denver to make moves at the deadline if they choose, or hang on to them and let their deals expire, but hold their bird rights (and unlike a lot of expiring contracts, these two players are also good (relatively) young players).
True this hits them as far as the luxury tax goes this year, but if you want to rebuild, having expirings give you a lot flexability. They offer you choices without long term consequences. Pair that with protected draft picks and young prospects (Donte or Whiteside) and you should have an offer that at least gets Denver’s attention.
They get a lot of the same flexibility with a TPE
And they don’t have to pay Dalembert. If they’re rebuilding, which they will be after trading Melo, then there’s no point in having an oversized expiring.
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Assume Melo won't agree to sign an extension prior to the deal
Because we know Melo might leave, I would put together a package of expirings and protected picks. Some combination of Dalembert, Landry and maybe Donte and a protected first rounder (a pick that we would fork over ideally when we are a playoff team).
This way you don’t really lose much if he does leave (as there is no guarantee that Sammy and Top Hat stay); however, you have Melo’s bird rights if you can swing the deal, and you give yourself a year to convince him that he could win a championship here. Plus, we should still be under the cap (Melo’s expiring salary should be about the same as Dalembert/Landry/Donte salary total—although I am too lazy to look it up), and we should be able to attract a top free agent if we did have Melo in the fold. I am thinking big here. Really big (i.e., Chris Paul would look good in purple).
If one of the other teams goes all in (say NJ offers Favors and expirings or someone like Clips offers Gordon and cap relief), we would be screwed, but that would be a huge gamble on their part as they could lose a valuable, young player for nothing if Melo leaves.
Then it's no deal
…but that would be a shame. I remember when Chris Webber didn’t want to come here, and then ended up calling Sacramento his home.
Obviously Chris had more than one year on his deal, but I think it took him less than a year to realize we were building something special.
I'm not in favor
of killing everything the Kings have been working for the last couple of years to go for broke right now. I actually like Melo’s game, but do not want him here. Perhaps I am being too optimistic, but I think the Kings have a playoff team right now. I have seen win projections anywhere from 30 – 40 wins, but the truth is nobody knows until they all start playing together. The Kings are going to be a drastically different team then last year, and there is no deficiency of talent on the roster.
I say hang on to what we have. I think Greene and Omri will end up being an integral part of our team when they make the playoffs in a year or two. That being said, I had a semi argument with another Kings fan at the Boston Celtics game at Arco last year as I was wearing my K-Mart jersey. I said no way the Kings trade Kevin until they have had a really good sample size of how Kevin and Tyreke could be a magical backcourt. Thus, Kevin Martin was traded after that game killing my hopes and dreams of a truly dynamic backcourt.
So in short, welcome to Sactown Melo’
by gtrman1973 on Aug 29, 2010 10:24 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
As an outside observer(Blazer fan) I agree with gtrman.
You guys have some good young talent down there, have patience. Carmello is a great scorer with a greater ego. The Kings have alot going for them right now & who knows with a lucky break in the lottery next year you could be looking at the playoffs after the lockout. Good luck Sac-town.
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Why settle for luck when Carmelo would essentially put us in the thick of the playoffs
And it’s not like trading Landry, Casspi, and a first would be maxing out the credit card. There’s still Dalembert’s expiring, should we choose, as well as the improvement of Evans, Cousins and Greene. You’re still retaining the core pieces of the puzzle. It wouldn’t be win now at the expense of the future, but rather win now with the potential to win even more later.
by LPKingsFan on Aug 30, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like your proposal, gregsactly.
Yes, Carmelo probably has an ego bigger than his game, probably isn’t the best teammate, maybe isn’t the best compliment to ‘Reke and Boogie… but he’s still Carmelo Anthony, one of the best scorers in the game. ‘Melo, ’Reke, and Cuz is a pretty damn dirty offensive juggernaut regardless of what pieces you surround them with and what chemistry issues there might be. Maybe I’m being too simplistic, but I have a hard time seeing that team not being in the Western Conference Finals for 2 or 3 years. Maybe they win one, and maybe they win a championship. Or maybe they don’t, but it’s probably a better bet than just hoping that the good things that we have rolling for us right now continue to roll that way and everything works out with our young guys as good as we all hope it does. A ’Melo in the hand is better than an Omri and two mid-first-rounders in the bush.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Aug 29, 2010 11:23 AM PDT reply actions
I'd even call him an insult to Reke and Boogie
And the Zohan in the bush is dangerous as hell.
Trading Casspi for Anthony may be something the Kings will come to regret. (And no, I’m not suggesting that Casspi would be better than Anthony).
Dunking Dutchman
I agree, If I had to chose between trading Casspi or Greene
I would chose Greene, Casspi could potentially be the better player in the long run, and the international appeal he brings to the Kings is something the Maloofs would covet. The NBA covets it already, and that will only help the Kings and the Maloofs.
by The Guy on the Couch on Sep 2, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd trade donte, carl, and either beno or cisco along with a couple of first round picks for 'melo.
Then I’d look to trade for or sign Xavier Henry.
"Remember this sh*t at christmas!"-Terry Crews, The Expendables
Or, I'd give Denver any assets other than Cousins and Tyreke
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Totally agree here
(I would still accept a trade involving Donte/JT, effictively moving the entire cast of the Donte Greene show to the Mile High City, however a Omri/Top Hat combo is more favorable for us in my opinion)
I prefer Greene to Casspi due to his versatility, upside and DEFENSE. I think he’d be great off the bench. I also prefer Thompson to Landry, due to his height, size, defense and rebounding. By adding Melo, having Tyreke that’s about 50-60 points a night. We’re not going to need a lot of ‘scorers’ rather opportunistic players that are well-rounded and versatile and those that can shoot the deep ball and/or get to the line.
JT and Landry
I also prefer Thompson to Landry, due to his height, size, defense and rebounding.
Geoff Petrie obviously disagreed with this when he made the Kevin Martin deal, but the addition of Dalembert, Cousins and Whiteside and the purging of Hawes changes the equation up front. But Landry is still your only established scorer among the bigs, and if we retain Dalembert, we have plenty of rebounding.
If you play JT and Dalembert together up front, the lack of offense becomes an issue. If you play JT and Cousins together, the inability to defend becomes and issue. It remains to be seen whether Dalembert and Cousins can play together, but if they could, that would create a potentially better offense-defense balance.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
If we have Melo and Reke, and, in the near future, Cousins all getting major minutes
We’ll have plenty of scoring. Makes more sense to keep Jt (who will also be cheaper) because he brings the other things, especially because there’s no guarantee Dalembert would be back (although I certainly hope he would)
I wouldn't say getting Landry
means Geoff disagreed.
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by caseycheesecake on Aug 30, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
You're right
Both Geoff and Paul Westphal agreed. Look at who started and got the minutes after the trade: Landry.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Apology accepted.
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by caseycheesecake on Aug 31, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Landry > JT
Petrie knows it, Westphal knows it, the league knows it. Soon you might even know it.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Or
We could be the 3rd team in a 3-team trade, where we absorb an expiring contract like kenyon martins(buyout) and receive a young SG as the reward. I would prolly say:
Rockets get: Melo
Nuggets get: Landry, Kevin Martin, Jeffries, Rockets’ 2011 1st
Kings get: Budinger, Kenyon(buyout)
i forgot
we give a lottery protected 1st to denver and we get patterson from rockets:
Rockets get: Melo
Nuggets get: Landry, Kevin Martin, Jeffries, Rockets’ 2011 1st, Kings’ protected 1st
Kings get: Budinger, Patterson, Kenyon(buyout)
rockets deal
no deal with rockets unless we end up with Brooks.
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Aug 30, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Melo
I agree with the original writers comment that Melo is not a great rebounder nor does he play defense that great. What Melo does do is score and get the free throw line. Whose name comes to mind when you think of those traits??? Kevin Martin. Don’t get me wrong, I am not putting Kevin Martin and Melo in the same sentence, but I think Melo and Martin can be mentioned in the same paragraph. No way am I willing to give up the pieces that have been mentioned by others to get Melo. Several others thought when Martin was going to be traded that Bosh was a reasonable return. That obviously did not happen. Melo is very good, but he is not great. I think several of you are over estimating what Melo is worth.
JT/Greene at the most. Other than that, no really interested.
by noreboundsnorings on Aug 30, 2010 1:48 PM PDT reply actions
Overestimating?
Career stats:
24.7 PPG/6.2 RPG/3.1 APG/FT% 80.1
And all of these numbers have improved over the past few years as his game has matured. I would call these statistics far better than average, and certainly better than we can expect from anyone in the conversation to this point, SF-by-committee or no.
Obviously, there is zero interest without an extension, but damn near any combination of Landry/Greene/Casspi/Thompson and a draft pick would be exceedingly fair from the Kings’ point of view. My only hesitation would be to give away too many draft picks, but aside from that? I’m listening and thinking about what Denver wants. Petrie isn’t going to give away the farm.
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here in Cowtown folks don't take kindly to peoples messin' with our farms
I’m listening and thinking about what Denver wants. Petrie isn’t going to give away the farm.
Now, this Mela fella, he ain’t fixin to come here without no extension. No way. No how he’d be welcome. Be giving away the milk when the cows gone t’nother pasture.
by betweentheeyes on Aug 30, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
this is a winner
Nuggets receive:
JT
Donte
1st rounder
Kings……..Melo
Starting 5:
1- Beno
2- Reke
3- Melo
4- Landry
5-DMC
Immediate contenders. I would put the Reke, Melo and DMC combo to the LBJ, DWade and Bosh trio. Ya I said it.
Yes you did.
Now you should pull your bottom lip over your forehead and swallow.
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by kwill on Aug 30, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Question for those who know the NBA rules regarding players and contracts.
If we did trade let’s say:
Landry, Omri, and a 1st rounder for Melo
Can we turn around and trade Melo at the deadline? Maybe use him to acquire some good players from other teams?
I was thinking that if we kept one of Donte or Casspi and let loose of Landry, who is expiring anyways, we may be able to swing him at the all-star break or something to a different team. The Wolves can offer the rights to Rubio and maybe a decent SF in return as well? Or even the Nets if they would give us Terrance Williams and Devin Harris?
I don’t read into the way trades are made or anything like that so I don’t know if it would work, but it might help us fill some other positions of need like another backcourt player for Reke, and also keep one of the SF’s that are talented in hopes they fill in.
Anybody know if that would work?
POSTED THIS
in another thread.. thought it would be more useful here:
TRADE SITUATION
Kings get:
Chauncy Billups
Carmelo Anthony
Nuggets get:
Omri Casspi
Carl Landry
Samuel Dalembert
Beno Udrih
Francisco Garcia
2 Future #1 Draft pick
Given Carmelo DOES sign an extension.. Billups, by the end of his contract, will be passed his prime for a lucrative contract, so can possibly re-sign for a veteran minimum (that is unlikely, but it’s hypothetical considering the talent on the team.) Evans and Cousins are still several years away from getting extensions.. so maybe this can work for several years?
FOR KINGS:
PG: Billups, Jeter
SG: Evans, Antoine Wright
SF: Anthony, Greene
PF: Thompson, Whiteside
C: Cousins, Jackson
FOR DENVER:
beno plays under lawson
garcia plays the two if they don’t manage to trade off jr smith
omri starts as your forward
landry has an expiring contract they can opt to extend (k-mart is injured)
dalembert has an expiring contract they can opt to extend (bird is injured)
two first round picks
you guys will have some dough to work with.. i put garcia there as a salary dump.
This sucks.
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by caseycheesecake on Aug 31, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Get Billups as well and keep Landry
Since Denver is dealing get Billups as well. Keep Landry to come off bench and light it up.
Trade
Casspi or Green let Denver choose one
Garica
Dalembert or Whiteside let Denver choose one
two # 1 picks
Then pray Kobe’s not healhly this year, make finals!!
by rivercitysports on Aug 31, 2010 7:55 AM PDT reply actions
I think Denver will make some silly moves to try to keep Melo happy a la the Cavs
That’s what we should try to get in on. Take on JR Smith (expiring) and get a 1st for the trouble. Send Denver JT and Garcia
Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.
in desperation mode:
either they stand pat or they try and deal their hand. It should be interesting.
by betweentheeyes on Aug 31, 2010 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
See not to be an ass hole
But if i were the nuggets trading away Melo i’d make sure i get Reke or DMC back…if not then i’d say screw it. Why would I (being denver) trade the corner stone of my team for some picks which will probably be low in the draft, and a few guys who wouldn’t start on the knicks? HELL TO THE NO! But this is assuming melo would resign with the Kings…
While you're here, any thoughts on the USA vs Croatia game from many days ago?
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How About
Nuggets get: Aminu, Landry, Diaw, Clippers 1st, Kings 2 2nd rounders
Clippers get: Melo, Augustin
Bobcats get: B.Davis
Kings get: Gordon, Mohammed(expiring)
So, from our perspective Landry for Gordon? Hmmmm
4 way trades don’t usually work though.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Sep 8, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually
We would have too much at Center and not much at the 4, so swap Diaw and Mohammed
Nuggets get: Aminu, Landry/JT, Mohammed, Clippers 1st, Kings 2 2nd rounders
Clippers get: Melo, Augustin
Bobcats get: B.Davis
Kings get: Gordon, Diaw
Kings lineup
PG: Reke, Beno
SG: Gordon, Garcia, Pooh/Head
SF: Greene, Casspi
PF: Landry/JT, Diaw, Whiteside
C: Cousins, Dalembert
I like that
trade for the Kings, but not for the Clipps. Why trade Gordon for Melo? They get a guy who is going to bolt for NY as soon as he can…
by shadowchicken on Sep 7, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Based on signing an extension I'm sure
No one gives up much of real value unless that’s in the bag. But Davis doesn’t really play D, that would be a problem for Larry Brown.
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by lietothegirls on Sep 8, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
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